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Interview a bloke with the best hair ever, plus Gordie apologises to Trevor Long · The Driver's Show

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: So before we get into our chat with the legend
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: that is Fred Schibsta, we should address something. I think
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: it was episode sixteen where I called out a car journalist.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: He's sort of a car journalist, but he's a tech expert.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: What's his name? The lawyer's letting me say. This guy's
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: name Trevor Long from the Today Show. In my view,
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: he stole what was supposed to be my our Australian
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: first whatever. And I said in response, he looks like
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: the kind of guy that eats hot dogs for dinner.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: He's caught wind of it, and he tweeted both of us,
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: and I tried to mend it. I offered an olive branch.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: I said, I'd had eleven pints and a massage from
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: a woman called Stephen, and I tried to call a truce,
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: and you know what he said. He said, not a chance.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Redemption is on. So I think it's time I give
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  Speaker 1: him a call.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this needs to be a sincere apology
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: This will be the most sincererious thing I've ever done
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  Speaker 1: in my life, and I'm going to call it.
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  Speaker 2: I hope it is.
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  Speaker 3: Trever is answering an endless number of emails and can't
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  Speaker 3: take your call.
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  Speaker 1: Do not leave a voice message, send a text instead.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: Pleasely, but do you have a message.
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  Speaker 4: After the time when you have finished recording, you may
• 1:29
  Speaker 4: hang up.
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  Speaker 2: We'll post one for more options.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, trev It's Gordy and Paul here from the Drive
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  Speaker 1: Show podcast. Hi, say Hi Paul.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: Hi Trevor.
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  Speaker 3: So Gordy is calling up to apologize for being a no,
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: no no.
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  Speaker 2: This is my overweight douchebag.
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  Speaker 1: This is my apology. You don't need to apologize for yourself, Okay.
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: I just want to say, trev I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: By the way, you might want to record this because
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: you might want to use it as a pump up
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: before you talk to the Today Show about a vacuum.
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: I just want to say I'm sorry about the hot
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  Speaker 1: dog situation I made. I've eaten so many hot dogs.
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: I once saw the face of God. Just because you
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: look like a Tafe teacher, the teacher sheep metal doesn't
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make you less of a man. You are still
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: a genius. In fact, not a tafe teacher, a physics teacher.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: A physics teacher, but also a little bit like the
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: Crisco Christmas Club Lady and I don't know what a
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  Speaker 1: physics teacher is. I wouldn't because I don't know what
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: physics are. But Paul's laughing, and I think it's pretty important.
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  Speaker 2: I'm taking no farre in this.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go sing it, you're you're now anyway, I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to formally invite you on the show to come
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  Speaker 1: on in and have a chat. I'll eat some hot dogs,
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: I'll get some tacos, we'll get a case of beers.
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: Was that apology, all right, Paul?
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think so. But I would love to
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  Speaker 2: have Trevor on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you're getting faded out. Hang on, all right, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, Paul.
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  Speaker 2: I would actually like to have Trevor on the show.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be good to have someone who knows what they're
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: talking about. So yeah, it would be good anyway, Thank
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  Speaker 2: you for that.
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  Speaker 1: Now we've got that out of the way. I did
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: organize you a little bit of a present. Fred Schebesta,
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: this dude is is an incredible guy. He's the founder
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: of Finder dot com. Yeah, he's the founder of Finder
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: dot com. Dot you and since then, and since the
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: success of that, and obviously the global success of that,
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: is picked up crypto which I know you're obviously into
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: and NFTs and all that. In fact, this guy's also
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: known as the Crypto King. So here is our chat
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: with Fred Schabester.
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  Speaker 4: Like, do you have to like engage like the heavy
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  Speaker 4: boosters to like turn this bad boy on?
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  Speaker 3: Like, have you seen the studio? It looks like a
• 4:41
  Speaker 3: possum has pissed on the roof. So I think that
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: it needs hopes and dreams more than anything.
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  Speaker 1: So we've taken him in the good studio. Mate, all right, okay,
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: he's not in my I have a studio over there
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: and it honestly looks like the airport lounge at Kabul Airport.
• 4:59
  Speaker 4: Do you actually like is this actually like this is
• 5:02
  Speaker 4: like like literally it feels like you've got to like
• 5:05
  Speaker 4: press all these buttons like a seven four seven, and
• 5:08
  Speaker 4: then then it like turns on and it's like.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: Do you know what we do with our show? We
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: press a couple of buttons, we fly up in the
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: air and we just hope to hell it doesn't crash. Wow,
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much us. Now, last chat we had right,
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: you're in Brisbane. That's why your audio sucks, yesh, Brisbane.
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: Last time we had a chat you had your grumpy
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  Speaker 1: pants on. So I've organized a bit of a present
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  Speaker 1: for you, right. Yes, this is a guy called Fred
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  Speaker 1: Shabasta or best I should say, I've stuffed up his
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  Speaker 1: name like the best star, the best star on the block.
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: Co found out. Hang on, don't I'm trying to introduce
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't write things down. You know this
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: from me, and I've written the stuff down, so this
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  Speaker 1: is a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: I'll let him have his moment. Go on, go on.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy co found our financial comparison SiteFinder dot com dot au,
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  Speaker 1: published author go Live. This is what I love. This
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: title Ten Principles to Launch a Global Empire. This is
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: a number one Amazon bestseller and it's a book that
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: I read. So the last book that I read had
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: words and pictures and it was called Where Did I
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  Speaker 1: Come From? This is also a guy that last year
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  Speaker 1: he was made Look, I don't do a rich list,
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: but he's made a rich list and that's a big
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: deal because it's from the Australian Financial Review. Do you
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: know what. I've never really met royalty before, right, but
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: I can tell you the closest I've ever come to
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  Speaker 1: Royalty is King Willie Whedy and this guy is a
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: crypto king, Paul. That's why I brought him in because
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: you love crypto and you love kings. Fred. Welcome aboard,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for hanging out.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks very much for having me on the on the
• 6:48
  Speaker 4: spaceship here, I see like all the dynamic thrusters have
• 6:51
  Speaker 4: been phased at the Dalitium crystals.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you why I thought you'd be
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  Speaker 1: a great chat. Okay, so you came in here. My
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: day job is working at a radio station with Kyle
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  Speaker 1: and Jackie. Oh, and Fred came in there to promote
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: the book. Shut up, Paul, no one's asked for you.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: Fred came into promoting his awesome book. And I'm like,
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know who you were. And
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, who's this dude coming out of a Porsche
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: Pana mirror that's like the hybrid turbotype topspec. Who's this guy?
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, he's like a successful businessman but
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: dresses like an La TikToker.
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  Speaker 2: I think had something to be proud about.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, because here's the deal. I don't get the
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  Speaker 1: corporate world at all.
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  Speaker 4: Direct from Venice Beach, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't get I don't get the suits, man, but
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: when you came in here and like you know your
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: stuff and you're doing your own thing, I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: want to be friends with this guy. What a rad call, dude?
• 7:55
  Speaker 4: Anyway, only friends with you? Got you and Paul as
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  Speaker 4: well done.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I know this is a car show and we
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: should talk about car stuff first, but I am like
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: massively obsessed with crypto and I actually was also using
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: Finder when you guys were running the crypto competition and
• 8:14
  Speaker 3: then continue using it for some of my crypto trading
• 8:17
  Speaker 3: as well. So we'll get to crypto at a second.
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  Speaker 3: But cars, I think that the cars are an interesting
• 8:22
  Speaker 3: starting point. Gordy mentioned you drive a Panameira. What has
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: led you to Porsche as a brand?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I had my previous car. It was a Cries
• 8:33
  Speaker 4: the three hundred CEA and I bought it. Unfortunately I
• 8:40
  Speaker 4: bought it in silver, not in black. That was a mistake, yeah,
• 8:44
  Speaker 4: because as someone told me, oh, silver cars resell better.
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  Speaker 4: And then I realized I'm never going to sell this car.
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  Speaker 4: And I literally held on to it for thirteen years.
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  Speaker 4: I drove it wow, all over Sydney. I drove it
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  Speaker 4: until it wouldn't turn on anymore?
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 4: It would not turn on, and I went through batteries,
• 8:59
  Speaker 4: the everything fell apart on it and I just but
• 9:02
  Speaker 4: I drove it to the ground and it wouldn't move.
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  Speaker 1: And when you eventually sold, that was that to fund
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  Speaker 1: like the business?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I the first time I sold. So when
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  Speaker 4: I saw my first company, I bought that car and
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  Speaker 4: it cost me fifty grand and it was like a
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  Speaker 4: big deal. That was like a significant milestone in my life.
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  Speaker 4: And so when I was going to sell it after
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  Speaker 4: thirteen years, I was like, oh, man, I feel so
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  Speaker 4: bad about selling this car because it meant so much
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  Speaker 4: to me. I kept the number plate and that's why
• 9:32
  Speaker 4: my number plate on my new car is so wonky.
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  Speaker 1: That's that right, Yeah, Oh that's so cool.
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  Speaker 4: It's yeah. So it reminds me of the hard work
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  Speaker 4: that I you know, I grinded for twenty years to
• 9:47
  Speaker 4: get it, and I's that was the piece. I was
• 9:50
  Speaker 4: going to like keep it and just put it somewhere
• 9:52
  Speaker 4: and like take it apart and like melt it down
• 9:53
  Speaker 4: and put it into something. But I thought, well, at
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  Speaker 4: least if I keep the number plate, that would be something.
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  Speaker 4: So the next challenge was Okay, what car do you buy?
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  Speaker 4: And I love value, you know, long term quality and
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  Speaker 4: things will last. And I think I think Porsche is
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  Speaker 4: a brand. It's just it's like, yes, it's it's probably
• 10:12
  Speaker 4: a little over the top, but I know if I'm
• 10:15
  Speaker 4: going to get in the car, need to go pick
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  Speaker 4: up my children, or I need to get to the office,
• 10:18
  Speaker 4: or I need to drive, you know, to radio station,
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  Speaker 4: I need to get there, and I can't. It can't
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  Speaker 4: not work because you know, I have a series of
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: things that if it doesn't turn on and work and go,
• 10:30
  Speaker 4: that's a serious issue. And then the second point is,
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: you know, I need to put three kids in the car,
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  Speaker 4: so I couldn't have a two door car. That's a
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: that's an issue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I I That's why I sold my Porsche because
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: apparently when when I was taking my kid out of
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: the hospital, they said, you can't put the kid in
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: the boot, and I said, that sounds like a challenge,
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: and anyway, I didn't win that. My wife stepped in.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's it's basically the family.
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: Hard getting the car seat in the boot, that's tough, Cassie,
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: like the shopping bag.
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: I got to say, I actually you raise a very
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: good point there, Fred, because I have an assorted collection
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: of shit boxes, and one of them is I love
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: Australian cars, and one of them is a v HSV.
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  Speaker 2: And yesterday we're in Melbourne.
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: We had to go to BMW to shoot some video
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: footage of these new cars and I thought.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to wheel the old girl out and.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: Go for a drive to BMW in that and the
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: battery was very flat and I got to this freeway
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: off ramp and literally it died on the off rap
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: because the battery died. So I see exactly what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: The last thing you want is a car that just
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: isn't going to get you there. And I well and
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  Speaker 3: truly feel your pain. Now. I know that you mentioned
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: that the cries or I guess, and the registration after
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: that had that sentimental value of all the hard work
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: you put in for the business does and you probably
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: don't want to share what the registration actually says. But
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: does it have anything to do with the business or
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: is it just a personal plate that you sort of
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: picked at the time.
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  Speaker 4: It's literally like a generic pretty much a generic one,
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: you know, like mystery pick when you get a new car, yea,
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: like I just didn't have you know, I didn't have
• 12:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't I had some money, but I didn't have
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: that much money to go and customize stuff and all
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: those kind of things. I think another key decision point.
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: But in the purchase of this car was about electric
• 12:24
  Speaker 4: or not electric. So it is a e hybrid, so
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: it does go about forty forty k's call it, you know,
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: give or take on a full charge and then it
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: switches to petrol. And it was one of those moments
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: in time when I think, you know, it's it's it's
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: probably this crossover point. And I was like, you know,
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: if I really need to drive somewhere, like you know,
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: I don't want to see out charge waiting and charging
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: and those kind of things. So, you know, the sort
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: of Tesla and full electrics, and also the Tyken was
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: coming out, so I was like, yeah, again, you know
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: that full crossover to full electric. I think it's a big,
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: big call. I still think it's well, that's what my
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: assessment was at the time.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I reckon It's a lot like Crypto.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: I would have agreed with you. When I first started
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: this podcast, I was exactly the same, and I reckon
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: it is a lot less scarier than it is at
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: first glance, do you know what I mean? Like it's
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: it's more habitual, right, electric is more of a habitual thing.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: You kind of go home, you put it on charge,
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: you're good to go.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: I can get to the city and back from my house,
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: so it is essentially still got enough range, but I
• 13:35
  Speaker 4: can't go any further than that. Then it's just a
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: petrol plus.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: Also, it's your first kind of big expensive car, Like
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: it's a car car. You want to hear that shit,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you want to kind
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: of let me just switch that on. It's it makes
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: a damn good sample, Like, well, we're in the car,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: you know what.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: I'm just helping sell read the electric dream here. But
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: the Taykon you can actually option a speaker. So the
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: cars that we tested recently had the optional speaker and
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: it actually sounds like a like a nine to eleven
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: turbo when you step on it. And the best bit
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: is the speaker is outside the car, so everyone else
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: hears this even though it's full electric, So you're kind
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: of getting the best of both worlds there.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: It's like fake boobs I mean there's still boobs, but.
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: On the outside.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: I reckon this car suits you more than you realize
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: because the guy who designed it, well, the guy who
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: was partly responsible for the Panemiro was a really big,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: tall dude, big german guy, and legend has it he
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: sort of came in and goes, I want a card
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: that I consists in the back of and be completely
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: fine and all that. And the first generation was actually
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: a really ugly It actually had a bit of an
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: ugly almost like a lump in the back right.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Both yeh, just a nasty growth hump exactly.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: It had like this weird camel hump at the back.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: And then they got a guy Michael Mayor I can't remember.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I think he worked at Mercedes and Saab and he
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: came into Porsche and they were like, can you fix
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: this car? And for a long time I was like, oh,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: I I don't think I could fix this, and he did.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: But I think this car was really a rule breaker
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: from the start. And I mean, get it going back
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: to your book, man, like, that's that's kind of what
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: you are. So I reckon this car suitching more than
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: you realize.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: That's interesting you say that, Yeah, I think because I
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: remember when the four door came out and everyone, oh,
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: what's that. You've broken Porsche, you know, like it's a
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: broken Porsche. And I was like, at first, I was like, oh, geez,
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure about that. And then one of my
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: friends we went and looked at it and they said,
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: have you have you actually looked at this? And then
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: it started to door num on me that this was
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: the rule breaker, this was the one that broke that
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: changed the game. You know, it's like, well, I don't
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: care what other other cars are doing, I'm going to
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: go this way. And it's like it's quite a it's
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: quite a statement. Yeah, And I actually saw someone driving
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: one before and I was like, whoa, that's a big
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: move to like go and and like it's it's it's
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: just a it's it's it's like you don't care about
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: all of the social precedents and you know, context of
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: what is in the Overton window. You've just gone nah,
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: just putting another two doors on.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm curious, as a as a bit of a
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: tech nerd and lover of you know, emerging tech, what
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: do you reckon about Tesla because they've kind of.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Done exactly that where they've gone.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, traditional car companies do it this way,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: but we're gonna switch things around a bit. Does that
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: company have any appeal to you?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: I I've driven them a couple of times, you know,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: a few times in America and in Australia.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I just preferences by saying everything Paul says about Tesla,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: he's getting paid to say. No, he's not. He'll kill
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: me for say. He'll text me after this interview. I
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: feel like.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: There's something and I don't know what it is yet,
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: that when you sit in the car it feels like
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: it could break. That's really harsh to say, but I
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: and maybe it's way better engineered than I realized or anything.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: But when I sit in like a Porsche, you know
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: that is it's just and I think it was just
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: my mindset partially on you know, it's more risky to
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: drive a car than it is to fly on a plane,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: and so I was like, I don't know, there's something
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: about this car that it felt a little bit like
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: maybe half of it will fall off. I don't know
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: that that's ridiculous and that's not that's just an intuition
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: that I felt and it's probably something because it's brand new,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: but that was the first feeling I got, and I
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: was like, I was like, this is amazingly fast and
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: crazily quickly going, and I can feel how it's stuck
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: to the ground, but I feel like it's going to break.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's that's not a bad view to have
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: because the first Tesla I bought, when I had a
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Model three performance, mine was literally built in a tent
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: because they had to assemble some of the cars and
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: finish the assembly in a tent that they constructed outside
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Fremont in California. They then moved production to China, and
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: they ironically got significantly better when they started producing them
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: out of China because they sort of sorted all the
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: problems out.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: But I know exactly what you mean.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: When you do drive a Tesla back to back with
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: a German vehicle, generally the German vehicle will field miles
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: ahead and far better built and will have conventional features
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: that you're kind of familiar with. Tesla really does the
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: tech game really well, so I think sort of that's
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: where they excel, and I'm curious on that sort of
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: innovation front. If we sort of dart over to Crypto.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Hyundai launched recently an NFT collection, so it was a
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: bit of a shit show because they sort of ran
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: this collection entirely in Korean basically, so you went into
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: their discord and nothing made any sense and it was
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: a complete disare do you reckon that we're going to
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: see more car companies moving into that metaverse space and
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: trying to take advantage of this emerging tech.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Geez, that's yeah, that's a long bow from where we
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: are in n FTS, you know where you know, we've
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: got some pretty rudimentary games, We've got some more fancy
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: games coming out. We've got people with fancy roll x's,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: which are you know that look like you know, apes,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: rolling around doing all sorts of things, and everyone's got
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: their little click But I think we we're a bit
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: of a distance from there. I think we accelerated about
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: five years closer towards it with COVID. Everyone got a
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: lot more digital comfortable with that. We moved even closer
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: to the world of electrons that we did to the
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: world of atoms, Like we're staring at you know, zoom screens,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: which are really pieces of glass, and we believe that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: someone and whether or you know that that that whole
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: journey you could. It's very easy to go further and
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: further and deeper into that mindset.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Paul doesn't actually exist.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: He's Pulls Pulls.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: He's an annoying piece of AI that they built in
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Czechoslovakia and it just went horribly wrong, and I just
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: agreed to take him on board.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Well, the other complication with.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I just want to go back on the Tesla thing. Yeah,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: talking about that company. I know one of my friends,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: he he's long Tesla like he obviously owns all the stock,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: but he also owns a He brought a Tesla in
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: the US. He saw his company when he was in
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: the US, came back to Australia, he's brought another Tesla.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: He's still waiting for it obviously because of you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: shipping times. But he has this very deep view that
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Tesla is like the next Apple and we just can't
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: see it yet. It's just that the role out time
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: for this kind of organization and what it needs to do,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: it takes an enormous amount of time. Like like just
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: the sheer size and scope of number of cars and
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: metal and you know, full production stuff just just a
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: distance from here to there. But you know, if you
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: if you now go a few steps in and look
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: at some of the things that they are doing are
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: pretty out there, Like with their robots. I think they've
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: got a release coming out of this first AI robot.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Like that's like if you, I guess what I'm trying
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: to submit is if you go back in time and
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: look at Apple and some of the ideas that they
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: propose and you know, were pitching and you know, really
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: some of these leaps forward that they made and the
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: engineering that was that backed it up and the design
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: that came along with it. And now you look at
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: that from a parallel with Tesla, you know, I think
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: they're gonna you know, they've gotten more reliable. But the
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: engineering going into that organization, the sheer amount of engineering
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: and AI and so you know, I'm talking about it
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: when I say engineering not only in the world of atoms,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: you know, and the actual construction of the car, but
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: also in the software engineering like those things they take.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Like when you build a great piece of software, the
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: way I see it is, it doesn't just go, oh,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: I'm build a spiece of software and it's done. It's
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: like you need the fifth and sixth version before you
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: start to get something good and decent happening. And you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: like we're the same I've obviously done this many times.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: And there are many systems inside Finder. I'd say we
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: were up to version five of the Finder app, for example,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: and it wasn't until five that decided to go Actually
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: it's pretty cool. And so what I think is some
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: of these systems they just they go, oh, we built this,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: and now like wait, we need to go back and
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: overhaul that because we didn't realize this, and you have
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: to go back and then you unwind all that stuff,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: rebuild it. And then so if you think about what
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: they're proposing self driving cars, and it's fully like electric car,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: it's like, you know, gonna pick you up from the
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: airport and take you home and then go out and
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: potentially make money for you. I actually don't think you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: that idea is a big idea, right you know, Yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: but that kind of vision I think just takes ten
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: years to do or something like that. And you think
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: about look at you know, Apple's what started in the seventies.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: It's like had a lot of time to like make
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: the crazy products it's made. But think of all the
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: engineering that had to go in order to go toward
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: that journey. I think Tesla's on that path and a
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: lot of the value is unrealized and not seen by
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: its end product and customers, and so I think they're
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: going to get better will and I think there is
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: a ball case there for it being the default car.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right with like the whole Apple comparison.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Like if you look at electric cars, the way I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: look at it at the moment is you've got a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: line where you've got sort of electric cars you know
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: other car brands do and that kind of thing, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: then you've got Tesla, who are completely, in my view,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: in their own legue. And it was funny where you're
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: saying with the driving experience, because at first it feels
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: so artificial compared to what we're used to, and then
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it still sort of sits in a league of its own.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: It's a middimalisted. Almost everyone will generally say with their
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: first drive, it feels like I'm driving a laptop, not
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a car. But then you look at the other side,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: with electric cars that are still sort of even designed,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: like say the interior for instance, you know a lot
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of time has been put into like still you know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: dials and buttons here and changing that up and all
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But the the Tesla is literally
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: feels like Apple versus Android. It's really weird. But yeah, yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and it's crazy to think what's coming out like and
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: what the next ten to twenty years holds.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: I had to buy a second car, and at the
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: time we were living with an apartment with a car
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: STACKO so I had to stack two cars and so,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: you know, how to constraint. I think I would have
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: bought a Tesla if I was on if it wasn't
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: on the stack, because but that's that's an issue. The
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: car itself is like two tons plus.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Or even stackers are a disaster.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So so I was like, oh, I don't want
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: to put it, you know, a Tesla on a stacker.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: That's like I'm signing myself up for trouble. So I
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: kind of saw it as a hedge. I went to
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: the petrol car in that case, I want them car.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: And actually the McCarn again a great car. Unbelievable drive,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: I'd say, actually, with his visibility and everything, I think
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: got to be one of the best drives. I don't
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: know what they've done there, But just from that perspective,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: feel safe because it's nice and high you can see things.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: But it just feels great and it's not huge, not massive.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Ye fits into spots you can you can put five
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: in and it's got a little boot.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You can dart around. It's great.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing, amazing little vehicle. Love it reliable as well,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: But I think I would have probably gone and taken
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: a punt on a Tesla. I just yeah, because of weight.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: That was one of the issues.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Do you reckon with cars? I feel like investing in
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: cars is very similar in some ways to investing in crypto,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Like there's an art. I don't know much about investing
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in crypto, but there is an art versus science to it.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think you know, you're looking at the
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: trajectory in this case of the team of Tesla, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: you know, what are they going to roll out, what
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: are they going to bring, what's the software? Because it
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: going to deliver? Like is it going to deliver this?
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Yes or no? And you're just kind of taking a
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: punt with the hardware, which is kind of like owning
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: the coin in a way, and you're like, will this
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: project deliver or not is basically what you do in crypto,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: and if it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Does really good comparison that if it does.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Deliver on you know, you're going to get massive upside.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: And I think that would, yeah, definitely happen with the Tesla.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: And again I I think I would have gone there.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I just yeah, it wasn't wasn't the right time.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Now's your time to jump in because Model Why has
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: just gone on sale in Australia fits it's literally nineteen
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty kilograms, so if your stacker is still
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: a condition, it'll probably sort that out. But I love
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: that comparison to it being a crypto project, and there
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: has been so much upside for early investors. When we
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: bought our first Model three, I bought Tesla shares at
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: like two hundred dollars. This is before the four way
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: stock split, and it basically started going backwards and I
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: chickened out at like one seventy five and sold. Had
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I have held them, they'd be worth the equivalent pre
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: split of like four thousand dollars now. And I think
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: that you have to go with your gut. And if
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I had have listened to my gut back then, it
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: would have said exactly what you said that this is
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: a company that has this long roadmap, they have this
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: really innovative plan, and I think when you look at
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: who's leading it, Elon Musk, like the guy is in
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: some cases an absolute nut job, but he is. He's
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: one of the smartest guys out there, and he really
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: just knows his shit and really knows how to hire
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the right people to get the outcome that he wants
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: from these companies that he's involved in.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: One of the things that is undervalued when someone looks
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: at a big promise and they look at a software company,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: is the actual delivery of what is promised is assumed?
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: But I actually don't think it is. And let's say
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I want to get a car to self drive around
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: that the number of variables involved in that, let alone
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: getting the code to execute and an update and you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: and actually deliver a version one and not you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: and not get shut down to some extent. Like I
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: think there's I guess what I what I think about
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: when I think of Elin is he's a good investment
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: in terms of giving him money to go and deliver
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: a software project and actually it potentially delivering with a
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: very low percentage outcome of it actually happening. In other words,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: here's a super high risky thing to do, and let's
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: give it to this guy because he tends to deliver.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Oh man, he's building a did you is he still
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: doing that? Building a tunnel under Ala? Have you heard that?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: The hyphens?
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's got the boring company as well. That
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: kind of makes a little less sense to me because
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: the whole concept is you drive your autonomous tesla in there,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: and it takes you from one end to the other.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: But if it's like any tunnel I've been in during
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: peak hour, there the shitts places to be because you
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: basically sit there with all this other traffic and it
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: has to exit at another end. So unless it exits
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: into an empty area, you just end up in the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: same It is just a tunnel. So I think his
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: innovation is the cost reduction and the engineering behind being
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: able to produce these tunnels, and the fact that you
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: don't need the same level of fire suppression that you
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: would in a tunnel with internal combustion cars because it
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: would just be fre evs totally.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: This is probably where I should jump in and say
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: something intelligent.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to hold my breath.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Freend's like, I don't know how to trying to belied,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: but Jesus, he's right.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what is what is next for you?
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I mean I was having a look and you're in
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: the top one hundred innovators. What is next for Finder?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: On the innovation side? I know you guys have sort
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: of now launched into that crypto space. Are you finding
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: that Finder is evolving all the time in terms of
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: what you want from it and what people come to
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: expect from it as well.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think people yet expect us to deliver on
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: this crypture stuff. I think people in crypto do. They're like, oh,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: you know, that's fine. Yeah, they're in crypto. That's cool.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: But I don't think that there's like a broader audience
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: yet that sort of cuss that. But that's good. I
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: prefer that because it just allows us more time to
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: make our product insanely even better. I think that's what
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: we've evolved from is I think if you go back
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: in time, Find it was really maybe even say three
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: or four years, it was really just a i'd a
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: largely a media and publishing company that's a being straight.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think you would see it as a technology company. Now,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: I would say you would definitely rethink that with the
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: things we've built and the things we are working on
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: and building at this point in time. You know, we've
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: got you know, many many millions of dollars under management
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: in Finder. Now people give you know, they have a wallet,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: and people deposit money. You know, we have security around that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: We you know, all these kinds of things that we
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: never did before, and now we've learned to really smooth
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: and make much much, much, much much easier. So I
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: think the way I kind of zoom out and I
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: and I think of where things are going and I
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: try I try to sort of predict what's going to
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: be next, and that's not the easiest thing to do, right,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: But you know, I think that people have now gone
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: from wanting yield to they're pretty scared about inflation, and
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: so I think this idea of owning assets is in
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: some way shape or form, you know, if it's companies.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I think Crypto has survived another you know hit and
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: then sort of fill, but it's now still above the
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: all time high that it was before, and no matter
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: how much of because they are, it's dead. Well, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: think everyone who's sold or when it had that huge
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: job and it went so super crazy, I think everyone
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: who had to sell sold.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and exactly, I.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Think, well, there's no more sellers left, and so there's
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: a really interesting, you know, point in time where I
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: think you can look at that now and you go, well, factually,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: regardless of wherever you think it's going, all over it's doing.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: It's above the all time high the last time. Like
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: that's means that if you've bought the old time high
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: last time, you're still up. That's a good thing, right,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: that's a that's a that's a big deal.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Sorry, keep going, No.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: I think I think, you know, this rising interest rates
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I think is a very interesting dynamic and where I
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: think it's kind of turning to and what I'm thinking about,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: you know, now that there's sort of this investment boom
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: has sort of calmed down, I think saving money, you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: that was really where Finder came from. I think it's
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: becoming cooler again, Like people want to save money on energy,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: on their loans, on their health insurance. I think that's
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: been our core business and that's that's definitely seen a
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: lot more interest of recent But I think there's another
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: part that I think a lot of people are looking
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: at right now is because you've got this change now
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: of people, you know, being at home and working digitally
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: and being perfectly kind fine with that. But they've suddenly
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: now got I don't know, two to three more hours,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: and I feel like everyone's confused. Everyone's like, oh, I've
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: just got this extra time and I've done my thing,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: and now what do I do now? And so I
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: think there's this time now where everyone's okay, everyone's sort
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: of binged out now, and all their streaming channels they're
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: kind of bared now with that they've they've they've they're
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: beinging up podcast but like great ones like this.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And where you see that for the promo they are
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Think podcasts in a massive way that and it is
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  Speaker 4: on a massive inflection curve up and I think it's
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  Speaker 4: great in an emerging space. But I also think what
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  Speaker 4: they're doing is they're a beaches done on social media.
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  Speaker 4: They're a bit done. They're like, oh jeez, I've scrawled enough,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I understand this stuff hooks me in, and
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  Speaker 4: then they're kind of going, okay, now I still have
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  Speaker 4: done all that. Now, still got another hour. And I
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  Speaker 4: think in that hour, you know, where people are kind
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  Speaker 4: of eventually getting to. And I could be wrong on this,
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  Speaker 4: but this is my future prediction is they're going to
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  Speaker 4: work on themselves and because that's the best investment you
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  Speaker 4: can make, right, So that's going to stay with you
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  Speaker 4: for significant periods of time, learning something, working out in
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  Speaker 4: some way shape orfore, working out something which you've always
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  Speaker 4: wanted to know that will help you fundamentally with the
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  Speaker 4: next thing you're doing, or earning a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: extra money to repay something, or whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 4: So I've got this theory of this this this this hour,
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  Speaker 4: this spare hour everyone's got, and I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to make, but I've come up with some ideas.
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  Speaker 4: But it's going to be something either where people can
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  Speaker 4: earn a bit of extra money by doing some relatively
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  Speaker 4: simple things or improve that learn something and get paid
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  Speaker 4: for it, or something along those lines, because I think
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  Speaker 4: that's the new space. It's the extra hour everyone's got
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  Speaker 4: after they've been shot on everything else. I've taken up
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  Speaker 4: playing chess, which I love that, which is you know,
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  Speaker 4: probably completely orthogonal to you know, building companies.
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  Speaker 1: But but yeah, yeah, was that something that you picked
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  Speaker 1: back up or was it like I'm just going to
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  Speaker 1: learn a new skill.
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  Speaker 4: I used to played chess. Actually this is a damaging confession,
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  Speaker 4: but I was the captain of my chest, of the
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  Speaker 4: of the chess team I played. I literally played board one.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Is that good?
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  Speaker 4: The first board? So there's like, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: four people on the team and I played the first board.
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  Speaker 4: So you play the hardest player.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So I saw the movie Finding Bobby Fisher once.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's chess. I think I
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  Speaker 1: get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: So there's recently there's been the World Championship with the Olympiads,
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  Speaker 4: so that so all the company countries play against each
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  Speaker 4: other the top four boards of every country. Actually Australia
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  Speaker 4: had a team of the best performance. But and it's
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  Speaker 4: you need to obviously, when you play four boards, you
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  Speaker 4: need to. Like any game, you know, you need to
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  Speaker 4: get one point for winning half a board for drawing,
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  Speaker 4: and you know you lose your zero, and you need
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  Speaker 4: to beat everyone. And it was something which I you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was in a you know, people who was academically
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  Speaker 4: smart than me, I could beat them in chess. For
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  Speaker 4: some reason, like they had different smarts, whereas I could
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  Speaker 4: like see into the future on the board and go look,
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  Speaker 4: and I'd look and I see that move and I go, man,
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  Speaker 4: you're so smart and you did that, Like like why
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  Speaker 4: am I not able to do what you do? You know,
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  Speaker 4: like he's probably looking at me, going, man, I did
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  Speaker 4: my tests or whatever. He's like, you did that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Hey, one last thing because we've got to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: wrap up in a sec. We're getting kicked out. With
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: what you do and what you've created, it's got serious longevity.
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  Speaker 1: Is that your Is that your legacy or like what
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  Speaker 1: would you like to your legacy to be.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great question. It's something which is actually very Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm very passionate about his legacy and leaving leaving something
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  Speaker 4: and creating something that will help people for a long
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  Speaker 4: period of time. And when I think about that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do is my ultimate goal is
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  Speaker 4: to plant trees that I will never experience or see
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  Speaker 4: the shade of for other people to benefit from and
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  Speaker 4: in some small way, maybe you know, if that's helping
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  Speaker 4: people save a bit of money, make a bit of money.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know all the things that are kind
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  Speaker 4: to come from that. But I'm just hoping that those
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  Speaker 4: things that I've created and helped people do, they create
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  Speaker 4: not only what's happening now, but into the future a
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  Speaker 4: significant lift in their life and their families, lives and
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: things like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I love about Freddie champions people.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, well that's what you got to do.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the best companies are there to exist to
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  Speaker 3: help people, and that's how you end up being successful.
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  Speaker 3: It's got to be about everyone else and then the
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: money comes.
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  Speaker 1: Man, Thank you for coming in. By the way, man,
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for the opportunity and appreciate you guys are putting
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: on this podcast because I think it's awesome and everyone
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: who's listening, these guys are cool.
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  Speaker 1: So that was fred What a legend.
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  Speaker 2: He's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: So I love the fact that he's into crypto and NFTs.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I love that he's in tech and all that sort
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And if you haven't seen what he looks like, please
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: go to our Instagram page and just have a look
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: at the picture.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say this, but Paul has a.
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  Speaker 3: Stiffy I'm just jealous of his hair and just the
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: style that's going on there, although my style.
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  Speaker 2: Is is.
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  Speaker 1: It's forty eight year old father of four Paul actually,
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  Speaker 1: since that chat has a photo of Fred next to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: his bed. When his wife says, do you think we
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: should have another child? Paul just pushes her away and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: kisses the photo of Fred and then proceeds to sing
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Whitney Houston's I Will Always Love You? Which can you?
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