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- 0:00Welcome to Diplomacy and International Relations by
- 0:02Bastian Freiburg. It is also possible to subscribe
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- 0:14Glad to be here for this one. It's going to be a fascinating
- 0:17discussion. It really is.
- 0:18Today's exploration uses the anthropological research of Yael
- 0:22Navarro Yashin, specifically drawing from her books Faces of
- 0:25the State and the Make Believe Space Right.
- 0:27Two incredible pieces of research, yeah.
- 0:29And for those of you listening who are maybe deeply interested
- 0:32in international relations or, you know, even Danish politics.
- 0:36Where things are very structured.
- 0:37Exactly. In Denmark, statecraft and
- 0:40bureaucracy are viewed through this lens of high social trust,
- 0:43digital permanence, massive consensus.
- 0:46So our mission today might completely upend how you view
- 0:49political institutions. Because we are looking at the
- 0:52exact opposite of that permanence.
- 0:55We are examining the invisible forces that shape international
- 0:58relations in statehood. We're going to look at how the
- 1:01idea of the state isn't just some rigid political
- 1:04institution, but something that lives in our psychology, our
- 1:08everyday habits, the documents in our pockets, and even the
- 1:11physical ruins of post war geography.
- 1:14And we are using 1990s Turkey and Northern Cyprus as our
- 1:18primary lenses to do this. Yes, but before we get into the
- 1:21thick of it, because we're dealing with the politically
- 1:24charged material regarding secularists and Islamists in
- 1:271990s Turkey, I need to explicitly tell you, the
- 1:30listener, that we are not taking any sides here.
- 1:34Right. Absolutely not.
- 1:35We are simply reporting the viewpoints contained in the
- 1:37original anthropological source material to understand the
- 1:40broader political dynamics. We're just your guides today.
- 1:43And that's really the perfect framing.
- 1:45We aren't judging political platforms.
- 1:47We want to observe how these groups interact with the very
- 1:50concept of the state. How do they define culture?
- 1:53How do they use physical spaces to assert their identity?
- 1:56OK, let's unpack this with a really powerful analogy from the
- 1:59sources it actually comes from, The Little Prince by Antoine
- 2:03descent Exi Peri. Or I love how Navari Oshin uses
- 2:06this. So good.
- 2:07So in the story, there's a Turkish astronomer who makes
- 2:11this brilliant discovery about an asteroid.
- 2:13He goes to an international Congress to present his
- 2:16findings, but because he arrives wearing traditional clothing,
- 2:20absolutely nobody believes him. They completely ignore his
- 2:23rigorous scientific data. Purely based on his outfit, It's
- 2:26only years later when a dictator forces his people to wear
- 2:30European clothes that he returns to the exact same Congress in an
- 2:34elegant western suit. And he gives the exact same
- 2:37presentation. The exact same data, and
- 2:38suddenly everybody applauds and accepts it as undisputed fact.
- 2:42Connect this to the westernization narrative in
- 2:44international politics, right? The international community in
- 2:47that story is looking at culture through what we call a
- 2:50positivist lens. Let me make sure I'm following.
- 2:53So a positivist lens treats culture sort of like a Russian
- 2:56nesting doll. Yes, exactly.
- 2:58Like if you just peel off the outer layers, the suits, the
- 3:01modern adaptations, you eventually find the true
- 3:04authentic core of a native culture hiding underneath.
- 3:08That's spot on. In international relations, the
- 3:11assumption is often been that layers of European costume
- 3:14supposedly hide an authentic underlying native culture.
- 3:18But this research argues that both the suit and the
- 3:20traditional robes are political constructs.
- 3:23They're just different vocabularies of power.
- 3:25They're both used to legitimize oneself on the world stage.
- 3:29Right. And what's fascinating here is
- 3:31how this introduces the concept of the faces of the state.
- 3:34We usually think of the state as something you can locate.
- 3:37A parliament building? A president.
- 3:39Exactly. But the state is unsuitable.
- 3:41It's everywhere. The text gives this vivid image
- 3:44of Taksim Square in Istanbul. You have police, the literal
- 3:48agents of the state, protesting against the state.
- 3:50Which is wild to think about. It is.
- 3:53You also have the flash of a journalist's camera framing A
- 3:55narrative which is another face of the state, or even a
- 3:58pedestrian emerging from the crowd to physically attack a
- 4:01protester taking state authority into his own hands.
- 4:04And what struck me is how people constantly critique the state.
- 4:08In these accounts, citizens are sitting in cafes deconstructing
- 4:11the government with incredible cynicism.
- 4:14You'd think that kind of relentless critique would
- 4:16destroy the state's power. You really would.
- 4:19But it survives. How?
- 4:21We could explain this through the concept of fantasies for the
- 4:23state. Even when citizens deconstruct
- 4:26and cynically criticize the government, their subconscious
- 4:29psychic attachments actually do the everyday maintenance work of
- 4:33regenerating state power. So the cynicism itself is the
- 4:37glue. Yes, by constantly complaining
- 4:40about the state, expecting it to be heavy-handed or corrupt, you
- 4:43are normalizing its presence in your life.
- 4:45You're maintaining it psychically.
- 4:47Here's where it gets really interesting.
- 4:49Let's shift to the March 1994 municipal elections in Istanbul.
- 4:53This was a massive turning point because the Islamist Welfare
- 4:56Party surprisingly won a. Huge shock to the secularist
- 4:59establishment. A total shock.
- 5:01The sources detail this immediate moral panic among
- 5:04secularist urbanites. There were these incredible
- 5:06rumors spreading. People were joking they'd have
- 5:08to wear turbans just to cover their bald spots.
- 5:11I remember reading about the fake facts.
- 5:13Yes, there was a witty fake facts claiming Coca-Cola would
- 5:17be replaced by local drinks like Boza and Iran.
- 5:21And genuine fears that the brothels and Biola would be shut
- 5:23down. Total panic.
- 5:25Why was the reaction so visceral?
- 5:27You have to look at why this happened.
- 5:29Secularists mapped their differences with Islamists
- 5:32primarily on to the question of gender like.
- 5:34Public lifestyle and presentation, right?
- 5:37Fears of forced veiling, segregation of men and women.
- 5:40This is all deeply rooted in the early Republican reforms by
- 5:43Ataturk in the 1920s and 30s. The Republic defined its
- 5:47modernity by discouraging the veil and banning the traditional
- 5:50fez. So Win for the Welfare Party
- 5:53felt like a total reversal of that.
- 5:54Exactly, and the text introduces Lavoie Sheaf's Titanic analogy
- 5:58here, which is brilliant. Oh I love this part.
- 6:01The sinking of the Titanic had a massive impact because the
- 6:04catastrophe was already expected in the social imaginary.
- 6:07The anxiety about industrial progress failing was already
- 6:10there it. Just needed a vessel, yes?
- 6:13Similarly, the secularists fears were a self fulfilling prophecy.
- 6:17They already had a catastrophic fantasy of an Islamic takeover
- 6:21long before the election results.
- 6:23And sometimes the prophecy came true in real life.
- 6:26There were actual incidents where gangs in robes harassed
- 6:29women in miniskirts right after the election.
- 6:32Playing right into the fears. But then in other instances, the
- 6:35actual Welfare Party officials were horrified.
- 6:38They tried to arrest those gangs and focus purely on urban
- 6:42infrastructure like garbage election to prove they weren't
- 6:44the caricatures the secularists feared.
- 6:47This synthesizes the whole point perfectly.
- 6:49It shows how political identity and nativeness the term in the
- 6:52text is urelic are constantly contested.
- 6:55Both groups were trying to claim it.
- 6:57Yes, both use the language of nationalism and state craft to
- 7:01prove they belonged. They were both modern political
- 7:03identities fighting to define the state.
- 7:05So we've seen how the state lives in the cultural anxieties
- 7:08of Istanbul, but let's transition from psychological
- 7:11borders to physical and legal borders.
- 7:13We're moving to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, or
- 7:16TRNC. Declared in 1983.
- 7:19Right, but unrecognized under international law.
- 7:22If we connect this to the bigger picture, we are looking at the
- 7:25concept of a make believe state Udirukdevlit in Turkish.
- 7:31Make believe sounds almost dismissive though.
- 7:33Well, note that make believe doesn't mean it lacks real
- 7:36effects. Fiction is the bread and butter
- 7:38of all politics. All states rely on imagination.
- 7:42The TRNC just exposes the phantasmatic aspect of politics
- 7:47because the international community refuses to play along.
- 7:50Imagine holding a passport that technically doesn't exist to the
- 7:53rest of the world. The TRNC documents are so
- 7:56ephemeral. People fill out these entry and
- 7:58exit slips at the border, the guards stamp them with all this
- 8:01authority and then once the slip is filled.
- 8:03Up. They casually throw it away.
- 8:04They just throw it in the trash. It completely shatters how we
- 8:07think about permanence. Compare that to a digital CPR
- 8:10number in Denmark that tracks you from birth to death.
- 8:13Here the document vanishes. It's all about the effective or
- 8:17emotional life of these documents.
- 8:19TRNC papers transmit feelings of tentativeness, irony and
- 8:23nonchalance. The people know the documents
- 8:26mean nothing internationally, so they interact with them
- 8:28ironically. But it's totally different when
- 8:30they apply for internationally recognized documents.
- 8:32Completely, when Turkish Cypriots apply for Republic of
- 8:36Cyprus passports, it produces intense feelings, jubilation at
- 8:41global access, but also tension and risk.
- 8:44The recognized document feels heavy.
- 8:46Which brings up a crazy irony. There's a thriving underground
- 8:50market for actual counterfeit passports.
- 8:53Fake Republic of Cyprus passports.
- 8:55So the lines are completely blurred.
- 8:57What's the difference between a legal form, a make believe paper
- 9:00from the TRNC and an actual forgery bought on the black
- 9:03market? They all require a leap of
- 9:05faith. International legality is just a
- 9:07highly successful, successful performance backed by power.
- 9:09So what does this all mean? We really want you to consider
- 9:12how your physical environment shapes your political reality.
- 9:14We've talked about psychology and paperwork.
- 9:17Let's talk about the dirt and the buildings.
- 9:19This is effective geography. In Northern Cyprus.
- 9:22There's this intense tension between the Fantasmatic and the
- 9:26Phantomic. The phantasmatic being the
- 9:28state's PR campaign. Exactly the new state's attempt
- 9:31to build a unified identity on the land.
- 9:34And the Phantomic refers to the ghosts of the displaced Greek
- 9:38Cypriots who had to flee. The imagery in the sources is so
- 9:41striking. You have these ruined objected
- 9:44spaces around the Green Line border in Nicosia or Left Kosia,
- 9:48abandoned homes, looted objects which they call Ganimet.
- 9:52Sitting right in people's living rooms.
- 9:53Yes, and the TRNC maps department systematically
- 9:57changed place names from Greek to Turkish to repopulate and
- 10:00redefine the territory. Trying to overwrite the map, but
- 10:03you can't overwrite the emotions resonance.
- 10:05The resulting emotion transmitted by this post war
- 10:08environment is irritability. Irritability, like a low level
- 10:11buzzing stress. It's a jarring, dis resonating
- 10:14feeling. The environment is filled with
- 10:16the debris of the departed. Political trauma isn't just in
- 10:18the mind. It lives in the walls of
- 10:20appropriated houses and the soil of divided lands.
- 10:23You can't escape the ghosts of the geography.
- 10:25And this raises an important question.
- 10:28How does the influx of settlers from mainland Turkey complicate
- 10:32this dynamic? Because suddenly you have
- 10:34different tiers of belonging. Yes, you have Turkish Cypriots
- 10:38navigating their identity alongside new settlers.
- 10:41It creates hierarchies of belonging based on citizenship
- 10:44documents, local dialects and social ties.
- 10:48It fundamentally alters the fabric of the territory.
- 10:51It's just a brilliant way to understand the state it's
- 10:54maintained through our anxieties, our flimsy documents
- 10:58and the ruins we walk through. The boundaries are drawn in our
- 11:00minds before they ever hit a map.
- 11:03And I want to leave everyone with a final provocative thought
- 11:05that we didn't explicitly answer today.
- 11:06Weigh it. On us.
- 11:08If an unrecognized make believe state relies on the exact same
- 11:11bureaucratic rituals, stamps, files, ID cards, has recognized
- 11:15Western nations to feel legitimate, does that imply that
- 11:18all global superpowers are fundamentally just highly
- 11:21successful acts of collective imagination and make believe?
- 11:24That is a lot to chew on. Are we all just operating on
- 11:27good PR and military backing? It's worth thinking about next
- 11:30time you hand over your passport.
- 11:31Absolutely. Well, to wrap up, I want to
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