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Sharri | 7 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening in breaking news tonight, confirmation that Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: will meet with Putin to try end Russia's war on Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: More on that shortly with Matt Canavan and Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 1: Why the Race.
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Speaker 2: Discrimination Commissioner can't mention anti Semitism without Islamophobia and anti
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Speaker 2: Palestinian hate a new term yet even with a left
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Speaker 2: wing ideological commissioner, Albanezi has been sitting on a mountain
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Speaker 2: of recommendations for over eight months.
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Speaker 1: Those details in a.
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Speaker 2: Moment also tonight, video proof that Israel is delivering aid
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Speaker 2: to Gaza. A human rights lawyer who went to the
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Speaker 2: Gaza strip and filmed hundreds of aid crates rotting in
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Speaker 2: the sun would join me Live Place. America's head of
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Speaker 2: National Intelligence says she believes there are aliens. That revelation
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Speaker 2: later in the show for First Tonight. At a time
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Speaker 2: when the alban Ezy government is considering higher taxes, the
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Speaker 2: least they could do is cut back on their own ligesse.
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Speaker 2: We've been in a per capita recession for a large
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Speaker 2: part of this government productivity is stalled to such an
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Speaker 2: extent that convening an urgent roundtable, and debt is forecast.
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Speaker 1: To hit a trillion dollars for the first time ever.
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Speaker 2: Australia also now ranks in the bottom third of the
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Speaker 2: world for economic complexity, which examines the diversity of the
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Speaker 2: products we successfully expot But according to the latest data,
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Speaker 2: it's got so bad. We've now sunk to a lowly
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifth place, just behind Botswana and Panama.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe?
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Speaker 2: And now also Labor and Peace keep speaking about increasing
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Speaker 2: our taxes, including super tax and even unrealized capital gains,
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Speaker 2: money that's not yet in your pocket.
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Speaker 1: The move has.
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Speaker 2: Outraged Paul Keating and Bill Kelty and then even today
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister refused to rule out definitively raising the GSD.
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Speaker 3: Were open to the NBST fifteen percent and are ruining
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Speaker 3: exemption law.
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Speaker 4: That's entertable, that the weird range of ideas floated governments
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Speaker 4: make government policy, and.
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Speaker 2: That question wasn't out of nowhere. That question related to
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Speaker 2: the Productivity Commission's recommendations that the GSD increase from ten
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Speaker 2: percent and that it should also.
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Speaker 1: Apply to fresh food.
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Speaker 2: Now, Shadow Finance Minister James Patterson today said the government
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Speaker 2: doesn't have a mandate to simply increase a range of taxes.
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Speaker 5: This government has no mandate for any tax increases and
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Speaker 5: we will not be supporting them to increase taxes on
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Speaker 5: Australians that they didn't have the decency or the honesty
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Speaker 5: to put to them before the last election.
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Speaker 2: You'd think when such desperate measures are being considered by
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Speaker 2: the government, with record high debt and spending, the government
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Speaker 2: would seriously start to address its own largess. Instead, the
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Speaker 2: waste and excesses continue. Now, it's not a big ask
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Speaker 2: for public servants to fly economy for short flights of
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Speaker 2: less than three hours. That was the recommendation from the
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Speaker 2: Finance Department in order to reduce expenditure on taxpayer funded travel.
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Speaker 2: Yet of course the Albanezer government has rejected this idea.
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Speaker 1: Now, this isn't a small use of taxpayer money.
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Speaker 2: The Australian reports and that in twenty twenty four the
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Speaker 2: federal government was the single largest buyer of airline travel
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Speaker 2: in Australia, with Quantus attracting the lion's share of bookings
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Speaker 2: on all routes where it competed against Virgin So this
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Speaker 2: is a major amount of money that we're speaking about.
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Speaker 2: Yet the public servants will continue on the gravy train
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Speaker 2: with the government unprepared to God forbid cut back on
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Speaker 2: business class travel, even for very short flights. If only
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Speaker 2: they would be as cautious when it comes to sneaking
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Speaker 2: through higher taxes like unrealized capital gains. But of course
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Speaker 2: their own luxury comes at your expense. Now I want
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Speaker 2: to speak about racism in Australia. The truth is the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government is not serious or genuine about tackling racism.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it ironic?
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Speaker 2: A left wing, woke government that claims to care about
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Speaker 2: minority groups has taken no action whatsoever on recommendations to
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Speaker 2: dress racism. And racism has never been worse.
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Speaker 1: In modern Australia. It's never been worse.
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Speaker 2: We've had preschools and synagogues, firebont too many buildings to
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Speaker 2: count have been damaged and vandalized, attacks, abuse, death threats.
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Speaker 1: This is all the face of racism.
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Speaker 2: People have been ostracized because of their religion. Lists of
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Speaker 2: Jews have been circulated and those on it canceled.
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Speaker 1: This is all racism.
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Speaker 2: The inescapable reality is that Australia is now and emotionally
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Speaker 2: and at times physically unsafe place to live and that
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Speaker 2: is just a fact. Now we know the government has
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Speaker 2: refused to lift a finger on Envoy Gillian Siegel's recommendations.
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Speaker 2: We know they did not adopt a single one of
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Speaker 2: our Sky News Anti Semitism Summit recommendations.
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Speaker 1: But I was shocked to see.
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Speaker 2: That even the Racial Discrimination Commissioner has had no luck.
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Speaker 2: He revealed yesterday that his recommendations hadn't been implemented since
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Speaker 2: he handed down his report in November. November, that's about
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Speaker 2: nine months ago.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 6: We have the roadmap to make this happen.
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Speaker 7: In November last year, the Australian Human Rights Commission released
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Speaker 7: the National Anti Racism Framework after extensive consultations with communities
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Speaker 7: across Australia. The National Anti Racism Framework has been in
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Speaker 7: the public domain for nine months now. We are still
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Speaker 7: waiting for commitment from the federal and state governments.
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Speaker 2: Now Giridharan Siveraman's Racism Roadmap has sixty three recommendations. Now
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Speaker 2: they don't all need to be adopted, but the Albaneezy
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Speaker 2: government could have at least taken the issue seriously with
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Speaker 2: a proper response. Now, some of the recommendations I read
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Speaker 2: them all today. Some of the recommendations were ludicrous and
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Speaker 2: should be immediately dismissed, like reviewing counter terrorism laws to
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Speaker 2: investigate discrimination on different communities, or lifting the minimum age
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Speaker 2: of criminal responsibility to fourteen in all jurisdictions. But there
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Speaker 2: were some sensible ones. He suggested legal protections against online
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Speaker 2: hate with enforcement against digital platforms.
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Speaker 1: He suggested that.
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Speaker 2: Employers, including governments, commit to anti racism training and public
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Speaker 2: awareness anti racism campaigns.
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Speaker 1: Now Siveramen also.
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Speaker 2: Wants a national Anti Racism task Force to tackle rising
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Speaker 2: hate across Australia. Now you may like the ideas or not,
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Speaker 2: but the point is the government hasn't been bothered to
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Speaker 2: respond to this report at all since November now he
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Speaker 2: was appointed by the Albanese government. He previously worked at
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Speaker 2: Morris Blackburn Law firm, where the lawyer Josh Bernstein, he's
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Speaker 2: the principal lawyer there. You may recall he ran the
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Speaker 2: case for Antoinette Latoufe. It tells you something about the
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Speaker 2: positioning of this race commissioner, and outrageously, for a race commissioner,
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Speaker 2: he can't mention anti semitism without also speaking about anti
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Speaker 2: Palestinian racism, as he puts it.
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Speaker 1: As you can hear here.
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Speaker 6: The war in Gaza has triggered a terrifying surge of
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Speaker 6: anti Semitism, anti Palestinian racism, anti Arab racism and islama
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Speaker 6: phober hat.
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Speaker 2: Now, I absolutely do accept there has been racism against
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Speaker 2: all ethnicities and minority groups, but there's no question antisemitism
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Speaker 2: has sadly been the predominant type of racism over the
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Speaker 2: past two years, with entire federal and state police task
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Speaker 2: forces set up.
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Speaker 1: To try and tackle it.
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Speaker 2: But this is who the Albanese government appointed to the role,
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Speaker 2: someone who won't speak about anti semitism on its own.
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Speaker 2: And nevertheless, Albanezi has even put his report on ice,
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Speaker 2: just like they put Gillian Siegel's, and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: still hasn't criticized the hate field harbor Bridge rally, despite
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Speaker 2: terror flags and Nazi swastika is on display, despite the organizer.
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Speaker 1: Refusing to call her MUSS a terrorist.
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Speaker 2: Organization, despite police now launching a series of investigations, despite
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Speaker 2: the fact that yet again Jews were asked to stay
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Speaker 2: home for their own security. Now I say this to you,
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Speaker 2: when it's not safe to walk around as a Jew
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Speaker 2: in Sydney or Melbourne. This is a major problem for
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Speaker 2: Australia and the only takeout is that the pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: Albertezy government is happy to allow racism, especially against Jews,
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Speaker 2: to fester. And racism is now so rampant in Australia
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Speaker 2: that life in our country at times is unrecognizable.
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Speaker 1: And this is a problem, as I say, for our
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Speaker 1: entire country.
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Speaker 2: It's a point Josh Friedenberg made at an event I
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Speaker 2: did with him last week.
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Speaker 8: When anti Semitism moves from the shameful fringe to the
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Speaker 8: public square, it's no longer about the Jews, It's about
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Speaker 8: everyone else. And this is my second point. We need
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Speaker 8: every Australian to know this is not a fight again
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Speaker 8: anti Semitism. This is a fight for Australia. And they
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Speaker 8: are not liberal values. They are not labor values that
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Speaker 8: are a stake. What is at stake is Australian values.
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Speaker 1: So well said from Josh Friedenburg.
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Speaker 2: And yet this issue of racism is only going to
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Speaker 2: get worse with now the Prime Minister indicating firmly that
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Speaker 2: he'll recognize a Palestinian state, even before the hostages a
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Speaker 2: bought home, and even while Hermas remains in power in Gaza. Now,
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Speaker 2: Albanezi said that he wants Israelis. He said this today
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Speaker 2: that he wants Israelis and Palestinians to live side.
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Speaker 1: By side in peace and security.
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Speaker 2: But that can't happen while her Musk is still in Gaza.
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Speaker 1: It can't happen until the hostages are free.
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Speaker 2: This is such a morally depraved position we're seeing from
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Speaker 2: the Albanesi government giving a terror group a state, and
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Speaker 2: this is how little Albanese cares for Jews that he's
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Speaker 2: literally planning to reward terrorists with a state, even after
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Speaker 2: the cruel, barbarican, depraved massacre.
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Speaker 1: Of October seven.
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Speaker 2: Now, before we move on with the rest of the show,
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Speaker 2: just a final note on this. Now, for those of
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Speaker 2: us who are Jewish, this racism has been crushing and relentless.
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Speaker 2: But for other kind hearted Australians, they've hated watching this
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Speaker 2: explode under the Albanesi government. And we've seen this attitude
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Speaker 2: with the thousand plus comments that have flowed into Chris
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Speaker 2: Kenny's inbox. Now, if you've missed Chris's show this week,
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Speaker 2: he's been asking Australians to write in with messages of
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Speaker 2: support for the Jewish community after the hateful Harbor Bridge rally.
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Speaker 2: And I genuinely thank my friend and Collie Chris for
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Speaker 2: being such an ally, and I thank everyone who's written
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Speaker 2: into him with such beautiful and heartwarming comments. This is
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Speaker 2: the real Australia, This is Middle Australia, not those people
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Speaker 2: who marched on.
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Speaker 1: The bridge under terrorist banners.
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Speaker 2: Now in breaking news tonight, the Kremlin has confirmed that
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Speaker 2: President Trump is set to meet with Vladimir Putin in
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Speaker 2: the coming days, in further attempts by Trump to try
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Speaker 2: and end the war. This follows a three hour meeting
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Speaker 2: between the Russian President and Special Envoy Steve Whitcoff.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 2: Putin reportedly gave concrete examples of the conditions.
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Speaker 1: Needed for Russia to agree to peace with Ukraine. Here
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Speaker 1: was Trump, there's a good chance that there will be
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Speaker 1: a meeting.
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Speaker 4: Racer.
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Speaker 3: We're here to get it stopped and get the death
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Speaker 3: to stop.
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Speaker 2: Now to discuss this, let's bring in tonight's panel, National
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Speaker 2: Senator Matt Canavan and Sky News host Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both, Matt. Now, clearly Trump.
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Speaker 2: Thought it would be much easier to have peace between
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Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine. He thought he'd achieve this immediately after
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Speaker 2: he was elected back in November. This has been much
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Speaker 2: more difficult for him than he thought. Are you optimistic
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Speaker 2: that now with the threat of sanctions, Russian might Russia
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Speaker 2: might come to the tableticized.
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Speaker 10: And his promised to end the war in twenty four hours.
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Speaker 10: But you can't really criticize the fact that he's tried.
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Speaker 10: He's tried more than anyone else to end this war,
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Speaker 10: war that wasn't started by himself or what he's making.
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Speaker 10: And you also have to think sometimes what are the
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Speaker 10: strategic interests of the United States in Eastern Europe. So
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Speaker 10: he's been heavily evolved trying to end that war, ramping
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Speaker 10: up sanctions on Russia's secondary sanctions recent weeks, and at
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Speaker 10: least talking from the get go here, I couldn't understand
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Speaker 10: why there were no conversations occurring with the Russian government,
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Speaker 10: with others those the early negotiations early in the war
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Speaker 10: seemed to be shut down from external forces.
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Speaker 11: Why.
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Speaker 10: I mean, I particularly from here in the Antipodes, we'd
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Speaker 10: like to see peace as much as possible.
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Speaker 1: So look, I'm hopeful.
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Speaker 10: I mean, I don't think they'd be meeting unless there
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Speaker 10: was not some hope of a breakthrough. You doubt they'd
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Speaker 10: agree to meet face to face if there was just
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Speaker 10: no chance of a peace deal. You've also seen Vladimir
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Speaker 10: Zelensky this evening write something quite promising about his willingness
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Speaker 10: to negotiate a peace, and I think he says end
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Speaker 10: the war. So look, there's possibly something like a million
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Speaker 10: people have died in this conflict. It is horrific and
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Speaker 10: we've only seen part of it on our TV screens.
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Speaker 10: So the sooner it can end, the better for all humanity.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you raised the death toll then, I was actually
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Speaker 2: going to mentioned it with you, kaylor, because the death
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Speaker 2: toll has been vastly greater both Russian and Ukrainian casualties
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Speaker 2: than we've seen in the Middle East. Yet the focus
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Speaker 2: has been on the Middle East and the suffering there.
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Speaker 2: Of course, we don't want suffering anywhere, but you know,
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Speaker 2: there just hasn't been the same media interest in Russia
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Speaker 2: and Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: I think it's quite unusual.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, you know, pick your foreign conflict to take
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Speaker 12: some interesting I suppose there are plenty of them going on.
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Speaker 12: It just depends which one is the topic, dujuur, And
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Speaker 12: it's not been Russia and Ukraine for some time, and
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Speaker 12: when the war broke out, it was big, and then
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Speaker 12: I think people just sort of got to sick of it.
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Speaker 12: The caravan the dog back, the caravan moved on, and
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Speaker 12: we all sort of forgot. But young men in particular
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Speaker 12: have been put through the wood chipper regularly on both
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Speaker 12: sides of this conflict ever since. The war has to end,
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Speaker 12: and Donald Trump has promised that it will end, and
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Speaker 12: so on that basis, he will pull every string he
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Speaker 12: can find during his presidency. I mean, you'd like, I
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Speaker 12: think it's over by the end of his presidency, but
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Speaker 12: he will pull every string he confined to try and
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Speaker 12: make that happen, because he's promised it will happen. In fact,
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Speaker 12: it's a major plank of his presidency is that he
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Speaker 12: will not allow conflicts to go on around the world.
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Speaker 12: His job is to stop them, right to.
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Speaker 1: Be part of his presidential legacy.
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Speaker 12: Correct correct that he brings peace to the world. The
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Speaker 12: only trouble is that in order to end this war,
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Speaker 12: both sides have to concede something. So allegedly, we have
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Speaker 12: a list of conditions or demands as they might be,
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Speaker 12: from Vladimir Putin as to what he will agree to
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Speaker 12: to end this war. But we also need a list
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Speaker 12: that they can both agree to putin and Zelensky that
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Speaker 12: may involve Ukraine giving up a certain amount of territory
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Speaker 12: in order to make it happen. But ultimately, this war
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Speaker 12: has to end for the good of both countries and
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Speaker 12: the people who live within them, and it means both
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Speaker 12: sides have to give something up.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be nice to see in and to both
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Speaker 2: of the major wars at the moment. Now, sticking with
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Speaker 2: the US for a moment, Vice President jd. Vance is
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Speaker 2: set to host a crisis meeting. He's calling it strategy
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Speaker 2: dinner this that is Washington residence to discuss the Epstein controversy.
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Speaker 2: Now you're going to have the Attorney General there, the
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Speaker 2: FBI director, the Deputy Attorney General, and maybe even Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump's chief of staff as well. Now, Matt, the lack
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Speaker 2: of transparency over the Epstein files has really agitated the magabase.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, it's going to be unusual to see
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Speaker 1: what could be on this strategy meeting. Other than just
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Speaker 1: releasing all the files. Nothing else is going to satisfy
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Speaker 1: the base, will it?
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Speaker 10: Well, Look, Sharry, I mean, I don't know what's going
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Speaker 10: to happen this meeting. I did see JD theance earlier
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Speaker 10: today indicate that there was no such meeting. Who knows
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Speaker 10: what's going on, but I do think most people would
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Speaker 10: like to see transparency here. Obviously a lot of questions
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Speaker 10: have been raised, and from an Australian context, the young
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Speaker 10: lady Virginia Goodfree was caught up at all this and
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Speaker 10: a few weeks ago tragically died and obviously she'd been
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Speaker 10: impacted throughout a whole life through what happened to her.
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Speaker 10: So look, it does seem a little strange that for
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Speaker 10: something that's been so destructive to so many young women's
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Speaker 10: lives that just one person has been successfully prosecuted, and
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Speaker 10: the other being Epstein, was incarcerated but never saw justice.
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Speaker 10: So that's I think what is underlies a lot of
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Speaker 10: the concern across, as you say, the base of Donald
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Speaker 10: Trump and the Republican Party. And I think it's a
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Speaker 10: reasonable request to want transparency given how connected Epstein seemed
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Speaker 10: to be some very powerful people.
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Speaker 2: And also the allegations will continue and the conspiracy theories
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Speaker 2: will continue, Caleb, until we get more of the factual
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Speaker 2: information out there. I mean, there seems to be this implication,
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Speaker 2: sparked perhaps by Elin, that Trump is himself involved. Trump
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Speaker 2: has publicly said, why are we still talking about this,
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Speaker 2: Let's just move on.
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Speaker 12: Well, well, Trump is alleged that it's all made up
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Speaker 12: and it doesn't exist, which is quite incredible when you've
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Speaker 12: told the voters that you know you're going to release
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Speaker 12: the Epstein files and then you say it's all a sham.
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Speaker 12: They don't exist. The Dems invented it, and I don't
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Speaker 12: know why anyone's interested. By the way, it's boring, he said.
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Speaker 12: I mean, it's the absolute opposite of boring, as anyone
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Speaker 12: who's worked in journalism will no sex cells when it comes.
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Speaker 1: To trusterious death.
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Speaker 12: Indeed, you know, did he kill himself? Honestly, But when
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Speaker 12: it comes to Trump, obviously, the allegation has been that
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Speaker 12: he might be on the files. Gilaine Maxwell has met
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Speaker 12: with the DOJ this week and has allegedly told them
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Speaker 12: that she never saw Trump do anything dodgy. Now, the
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Speaker 12: Dems will say that's because she wants to pardon from
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Speaker 12: Donald Trump and wants to live, but she yeah, well,
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Speaker 12: I don't think it was the Republicans who may have
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Speaker 12: allegedly knocked of Jeffrey Epstein. But you know, she is
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Speaker 12: the only only person really who has any key to
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Speaker 12: this information anymore, certainly beyond what might already exist in documents.
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Speaker 12: So she's absolutely key to what they can get their
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Speaker 12: hands on now. But you can't tell me that there
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Speaker 12: aren't some form of Epstein documents. They may not be
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Speaker 12: as great as we will lead to believe they would be,
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Speaker 12: but there must be something there, So just release it unless,
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Speaker 12: of course, the reason the Dems didn't release it and
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Speaker 12: the Republicans now won't release it is that it's mutually
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Speaker 12: assured destruction because there are people of both sides named
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Speaker 12: in it, and no one really wants to deal with
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Speaker 12: the fallout.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: We don't often cover Tasmanian politics on this show, no
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Speaker 2: offense to our viewers.
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Speaker 1: And should do more of it. We should do more
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Speaker 1: of it.
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Speaker 2: We're going to be doing more of it in the
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Speaker 2: next few weeks, that's for sure. But what is unfolding
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Speaker 2: in the Parliament at the moment is extraordinary. They've just
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Speaker 2: had an election where the Tasmanian governor has reappointed the
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Speaker 2: liberal Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe, yet the Labor leader, despite recording
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Speaker 2: the lowest vote in history. His name is Dean Winter.
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Speaker 2: He has now said that he's going to move another
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Speaker 2: no confidence motion in a fortnight.
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Speaker 1: Now, Matt, this.
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Speaker 2: Has got to be, if not technically, at least in
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Speaker 2: the spirit undemocratic. Hasn't it send Nick trying to send
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Speaker 2: people back to the polls?
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Speaker 10: Well, Sharry, I do think we should cover Tasmanian politics
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Speaker 10: a little more, if nothing else, because it should be
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Speaker 10: a warning to the mainland states of what can happen
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Speaker 10: when you get in far too much debt. Tasmania is
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Speaker 10: an enormous amount of debt and a lot of trouble
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Speaker 10: because of that, and so I don't think what Tasmania
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Speaker 10: needs right now is more and more uncertainty. Obviously, any
22:43
Speaker 10: government has to come up with a credible plan to
22:45
Speaker 10: tackle that debt situation. But as you say, the Liberal
22:49
Speaker 10: Party has got fourteen seats, the Labor Party just ten seats.
22:54
Speaker 10: So the Liberal Party's forty percent larger than the Labor Party.
22:58
Speaker 10: Would seem very strange to put a Labor Party requiring
23:01
Speaker 10: so many other parties and independence in power, particularly the
23:04
Speaker 10: time when they are facing such precarious debt levels that
23:07
Speaker 10: they clearly need to get under control. So look, I hope,
23:09
Speaker 10: I wish Tasmania is the best. But you know, when
23:12
Speaker 10: you look at the Mainlander, as I say, in some
23:13
Speaker 10: of the debt binges that state governments have been on there,
23:17
Speaker 10: it sort of creeps up from Tasmania. If you like
23:19
Speaker 10: Victoria being the next cab off the rank. We don't
23:22
Speaker 10: want to end up in that situation either.
23:23
Speaker 2: Well, the federal government debt levels are shocking as well,
23:26
Speaker 2: and on Tasmania I noticed that the Treasurer had to
23:30
Speaker 2: resign today over the budget position.
23:32
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I was going to use a word
23:35
Speaker 12: starts with this Indian show to describe all of this,
23:38
Speaker 12: And part of it comes down to that Hair Clark
23:40
Speaker 12: system that they use down there for their elections. So
23:42
Speaker 12: you end up with these sort of weird parliaments. But
23:44
Speaker 12: you know, Rockcliffe has the right as the incumbent, even
23:47
Speaker 12: though he doesn't have a majority deformed government, which is
23:50
Speaker 12: what he's done. So we're just going to try it
23:52
Speaker 12: on in this no confidence motion and then ask the
23:55
Speaker 12: Parliament to give confidence to him. Labor to run a
23:59
Speaker 12: gap that would involve the support of Slabor's got ten seats.
24:04
Speaker 12: There's five in the Greens, and they need another three
24:07
Speaker 12: from the cross bench in order to have supply. Can
24:11
Speaker 12: you imagine what sort of government you're going to end
24:13
Speaker 12: up with if it's Labor and the Greens and three
24:17
Speaker 12: independents trying to get their gender across the line to
24:21
Speaker 12: make anything happen. People will go, my god, what is
24:24
Speaker 12: going on here? But you get what you vote for, don't.
24:27
Speaker 2: And Labour got twenty five percent of the primary vote.
24:30
Speaker 2: The looks about forty percent, but not enough for a majority.
24:33
Speaker 2: All Right, Caleb Bond and Matt Canavan, great to see
24:36
Speaker 2: you both, Thank you so much. Now we've been talking
24:39
Speaker 2: this week about Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen's new work from
24:43
Speaker 2: home laws. Very controversial now there's been strong opposition to
24:46
Speaker 2: the move. Business leaders are begging the government to stay
24:50
Speaker 2: out of private enterprise.
24:52
Speaker 1: And not make life more difficult.
24:55
Speaker 2: The Council of Small Business Organizations Australian chair Matthew Addison
24:59
Speaker 2: joins me in.
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Speaker 1: Matthew, thank you for your time. Now, why do you
25:02
Speaker 1: think these laws are so problematic?
25:06
Speaker 13: Good evening, Charing, good evening. This is the law isn't required,
25:10
Speaker 13: There isn't a problem that actually needs to be solved.
25:14
Speaker 13: In what this proposition has been We already have the
25:18
Speaker 13: Federal Fair Work Act. It already provides provision for employees
25:23
Speaker 13: to request flexible working arrangements. And in a small business world,
25:28
Speaker 13: we have to evaluate that. We have to work out
25:30
Speaker 13: how to be productive and when it is appropriate for
25:35
Speaker 13: somebody to work from home. The work from home, if
25:39
Speaker 13: it is forced upon us, all of a sudden, small
25:42
Speaker 13: business has to incur a whole lot more cost as well.
25:46
Speaker 13: Straight away your work safe safety provisions kick in and
25:52
Speaker 13: you're going to create a safe workplace at that employee's home.
25:56
Speaker 13: And we have many instances where it is just productive
26:01
Speaker 13: for that person to work from home rather than the
26:04
Speaker 13: office or the business premises.
26:07
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like this left wing socialist government,
26:11
Speaker 2: that Alan government is viewing business as the enemy here
26:15
Speaker 2: instead of the backbone of our economy. I mean, particularly
26:18
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, businesses went through so much during the COVID
26:22
Speaker 2: lockdown period. So many collapsed understandably, and now you know
26:27
Speaker 2: people are just recovering, starting again, getting back on their feet,
26:30
Speaker 2: and now she's hitting.
26:31
Speaker 1: Them with this again.
26:33
Speaker 2: Not every business can afford to have staff working from home.
26:38
Speaker 13: Look, it's a great call out on so many levels. Soarry,
26:41
Speaker 13: and you're right, small business can't necessarily afford to go
26:45
Speaker 13: down this track. Again, I come back to what problem
26:49
Speaker 13: are they trying to solve in the small business environment.
26:52
Speaker 13: What you have is small business owners and the people
26:55
Speaker 13: that work for them. They have to work in a
26:58
Speaker 13: very flexible, friendly, venient, productive environment that already exists. What
27:04
Speaker 13: problem is this provision trying to solve. It doesn't exist,
27:08
Speaker 13: and in many businesses it's just not feasible. The other
27:12
Speaker 13: concern from small business is if this is forced upon
27:16
Speaker 13: some businesses in the state, what about those retail outlets,
27:20
Speaker 13: What about the cafe? What about the restaurant where clearly
27:24
Speaker 13: you can't work from home and deliver those services. So
27:28
Speaker 13: now is that potential worker going to think about, well,
27:32
Speaker 13: I can work from home a couple of days if
27:35
Speaker 13: I take this sort of job, but I can't work
27:38
Speaker 13: in retail or work in hospitality because I can never
27:41
Speaker 13: work from home. All of a sudden, you've got this
27:44
Speaker 13: piece of legislation or proposed legislation changing employment decisions, and
27:50
Speaker 13: it may actually be more devastating for some of the
27:53
Speaker 13: industries out there.
27:55
Speaker 2: And then of course it also affects those cafes and
27:57
Speaker 2: restaurants because there'll be fewer people in.
27:59
Speaker 1: The CBDA to frequent them.
28:02
Speaker 2: And I should also mention that a report from the
28:04
Speaker 2: Property Council shows the Victoria already has the highest office
28:08
Speaker 2: vacancy rates in the country eighteen percent, so that's a
28:12
Speaker 2: lot of office space already sitting empty.
28:14
Speaker 1: Matthew, appreciate your time, thank.
28:16
Speaker 2: You, Thanks, sorry okay, And just before we go to
28:20
Speaker 2: the break, some sensible news tonight. Convicted rapist Gareth Ward
28:26
Speaker 2: will soon be kicked out of New South Wales Parliament
28:28
Speaker 2: and stripped finally of his taxpayer funded salary which he
28:33
Speaker 2: has been ludicrously receiving, despite the fact he's in prison now.
28:37
Speaker 2: The vote to expel the disgraced MP was delayed earlier
28:40
Speaker 2: this week after he won a last minute legal challenge
28:43
Speaker 2: he secured a court injunction, and then just this afternoon
28:47
Speaker 2: that injunction was lifted and the MP is expected to
28:50
Speaker 2: be expelled on Monday with bipartisan support. Now, the fact
28:55
Speaker 2: that he was even able to seek an injunction from
28:57
Speaker 2: jail to stop his own expulsion from Parliament, it shows
29:01
Speaker 2: just how absurd this situation is. The man has no
29:05
Speaker 2: shame whatsoever to sit in a cell, pulling in three
29:09
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a week, a salary paid for by a community.
29:13
Speaker 1: He has lost all privilege to govern.
29:17
Speaker 2: Now still to come, Labor has a fight on its
29:20
Speaker 2: hands as musicians, artists, and authors speak out about copyright
29:24
Speaker 2: plus video proof that Israel is delivering aid to Gaza.
29:29
Speaker 2: The man who went into the Gaza strip to take
29:31
Speaker 2: this footage joins me next.
29:37
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
29:38
Speaker 2: With the world's media is swallowing hermus propaganda that Israel
29:43
Speaker 2: is to blame for the war not ending and for
29:45
Speaker 2: the Palestinian suffering. Yet the reality is that Israel can't
29:49
Speaker 2: withdraw from Gaza until the hostages are free and far
29:54
Speaker 2: from deliberately starving Palestinians, Israel is doing everything it can
29:58
Speaker 2: to deliver aid to go Gaza. Human rights lawyer and
30:02
Speaker 2: CEO of the International Legal Forum, Arsen Ostrowski went to
30:06
Speaker 2: Kerem Shalom on the Gaza border last week to see
30:09
Speaker 2: for himself where the aid was getting through.
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Speaker 9: So that's roughly six hundred great worth of food that
30:17
Speaker 9: is waiting for the United Nations and that social community
30:20
Speaker 9: to be collected and to be distributed to Gaza. You
30:24
Speaker 9: can also see here when the goods were actually delivered.
30:27
Speaker 9: He stayed here, it says twenty sixth of Germany. Twenty
30:31
Speaker 9: sixth of German. That means it has been sitting here
30:33
Speaker 9: waiting hardly life of over a month to be delivered
30:36
Speaker 9: and distributed to the peaking of Gaza.
30:39
Speaker 2: And Arson is now in Australia and joins me live
30:42
Speaker 2: in studio. Ars some great to finally meet you in
30:45
Speaker 2: person after remote interviews. So tell us about what you saw,
30:50
Speaker 2: the hundreds of crates of aid food just sitting there.
30:53
Speaker 9: Look, it's truly jarring scenes. You know, there's no denying
30:56
Speaker 9: that what's happening in Gaza. It is a real catastrophe,
31:00
Speaker 9: is real palpable suffering there. But seeing hundreds upon hundreds
31:05
Speaker 9: of trucks worth of food, including baby formula, flower water, perishables,
31:10
Speaker 9: waiting for the United Nations and the international community to
31:13
Speaker 9: collect it and to distribute it to Gaza is inexcusable.
31:17
Speaker 9: They are letting it rot at the same time they
31:19
Speaker 9: are blaming Israel with famine with starvation in Gaza, when
31:24
Speaker 9: it is they they are the ones that are refusing
31:26
Speaker 9: to collect that. They would Why are.
31:29
Speaker 1: They refusing to collect it? What do they say?
31:31
Speaker 9: Look? They exale sorts of things from logistic delicious to
31:34
Speaker 9: security issues. But the fact the matter is the UN
31:37
Speaker 9: operates in every single conflict and war zone around the
31:41
Speaker 9: world and that doesn't stop them delivering aid, whether it's
31:43
Speaker 9: Sudan or elsewhere around the world. But here I think
31:46
Speaker 9: they would rather use Israel as a forever escapegoat rather
31:50
Speaker 9: than actually help the real Gaza because it's easier to
31:53
Speaker 9: do that, because not doing that would mean that they
31:55
Speaker 9: would have to concede that it is their support the
32:00
Speaker 9: current status score that it existed actually enables and supports
32:04
Speaker 9: Hamas allowing them to profit from this in allowing them
32:07
Speaker 9: to divert the aid to still the A to weaponize it,
32:11
Speaker 9: it would mean it would mean conceding their own policy
32:15
Speaker 9: failure over the years, So they would rather do that.
32:17
Speaker 9: They would rather undercut what Israel is doing trying to
32:19
Speaker 9: get aid into Gaza, trying to undercut what the Gaza
32:22
Speaker 9: Him and a Tern Foundation is doing getting eight millions
32:25
Speaker 9: of meals directly to the people of Gaza instead of
32:28
Speaker 9: to the hands of fromas.
32:29
Speaker 2: In Israel, by the ways, also doing aerial drops as well,
32:32
Speaker 2: and I think encouraging the United States to start.
32:34
Speaker 1: Aerial drops of food as well.
32:36
Speaker 2: Now we know about the staged photograph by the Time magazine,
32:41
Speaker 2: we might show those pictures on the screen that came
32:43
Speaker 2: out this week, the famous Time cover which showed starving
32:48
Speaker 2: Palestinian children, that it was actually staged by a photographer.
32:53
Speaker 2: We also know about the krupt photograph on the front
32:55
Speaker 2: page of the New York Times.
32:57
Speaker 1: It was cropped so it excluded the more well nourished sibling.
33:02
Speaker 2: But I want to ask you, you know, despite the
33:04
Speaker 2: fact that we are seeing a lot of propaganda, what
33:08
Speaker 2: is your assessment on the levels of hunger and starvation
33:13
Speaker 2: among the Palestinians.
33:15
Speaker 9: Look, there is certainly some very difficult images coming out,
33:19
Speaker 9: and you know, we can't dispute that people are struggling there.
33:23
Speaker 9: We need to get more food in more aid, and
33:25
Speaker 9: no one's disputing that. The fact matter Israels doing everything
33:28
Speaker 9: possible in order to facilitate that. Israel It's literally it
33:31
Speaker 9: has allowed over a thousand trucks of eight to come in. Hey,
33:35
Speaker 9: that's been checked. That is waiting for the UN another
33:39
Speaker 9: international agency to come and distribute it. But they're refusing
33:42
Speaker 9: to do that. So there is hunger, but there is
33:45
Speaker 9: not wide spread starvation as has been made out to be.
33:48
Speaker 9: There is sufficient food that should be more food thy
33:51
Speaker 9: are coming in, but it is the international community it's
33:53
Speaker 9: refusing to do that. And when we see their images,
33:55
Speaker 9: the stage lies like we saw you mentioned the time
33:58
Speaker 9: covered is simply an excuse. The mass terist organization is
34:02
Speaker 9: feeding lives to the media and media is just reporting
34:06
Speaker 9: them as fact. Now that is no journalism, that is complicity.
34:11
Speaker 2: You've been in Australia this week, so you would have
34:13
Speaker 2: seen the Albanese government clearly moving to join with France,
34:17
Speaker 2: Canada and the UK in recognizing a Palestinian state at
34:23
Speaker 2: the United Nations General Assembly in September. This is despite
34:27
Speaker 2: the fact that there's been no agreement about who would
34:30
Speaker 2: govern Gaza before even the release of the hostages, which
34:35
Speaker 2: were previous conditions that Albanese government had on recognition.
34:39
Speaker 1: What's your view on this look, I think.
34:41
Speaker 9: To be honest, speaking about a recognizing a Palestine state
34:45
Speaker 9: now as a reward to Hamas, which is literally forcing
34:49
Speaker 9: hostages to dig their own graves is grotesque. Now is
34:53
Speaker 9: so not the right time to be discussing this now.
34:56
Speaker 9: The Prime Minister, i think made an important point when
34:59
Speaker 9: it's when it said that the Australian government will not
35:02
Speaker 9: make empty gestures. That he referenced the fact that now
35:05
Speaker 9: might not be the right time, and he's right that
35:06
Speaker 9: in that regard, but there is extraordinary pressure being placed
35:09
Speaker 9: on him.
35:10
Speaker 1: He's going to do it. He's definitely going to do it.
35:13
Speaker 9: It seems a matter of if, a matter of when,
35:16
Speaker 9: not if. But I think doing so now would literally
35:18
Speaker 9: be a be a reward to the terrorists that carried
35:22
Speaker 9: out that tax hm Ontwoby seven. It would be in
35:24
Speaker 9: definance of decades of bipartisan policy on Israel. Would also
35:28
Speaker 9: I think not play well in terms of austras relationships
35:32
Speaker 9: in the United States or how US reacted when Canada
35:36
Speaker 9: did the same. But ultimately, he would be a performative
35:38
Speaker 9: gesture that would do nothing to bring peace but only
35:41
Speaker 9: push US further back.
35:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:42
Speaker 2: Well, and albanize he said today that he wouldn't even
35:45
Speaker 2: consult with the United States President, who he can't even
35:47
Speaker 2: get a call with anyway, before making this move. We
35:50
Speaker 2: can have a look at that comment where Albanizi said that.
35:55
Speaker 14: Who you held Donald Trump before we make a decision
35:57
Speaker 14: about Palaston recognition.
36:00
Speaker 4: Where a sovereign government and Australia makes decisions on behalf
36:05
Speaker 4: of the Australian government.
36:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Australia is not standing anywhere side by
36:12
Speaker 2: side with the United States anymore. Australia is not an ally,
36:16
Speaker 2: I would say, of Israel under this current government. It's
36:20
Speaker 2: a pro Palestinian. He had a conversation with Mahmula Bas
36:23
Speaker 2: the other night.
36:24
Speaker 1: He's preparing to meet him at the UN. It's quite bizarre.
36:28
Speaker 9: I think that's acu a good that it spoke to
36:29
Speaker 9: Mahmura Bass. And I hope when he did speak to him,
36:31
Speaker 9: he actually told him that if you want statehood, you
36:33
Speaker 9: have to show that you are committed to PC. You
36:35
Speaker 9: have to show that you will stop the pay the
36:37
Speaker 9: slave salaries to terrorists. You have to show that you're
36:39
Speaker 9: willing so accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.
36:43
Speaker 9: And I hope immediately after that, even before that, ideally
36:46
Speaker 9: that he had also does also speak to Primise Mint
36:49
Speaker 9: and Yaho and hear's exactly what is happening on the
36:51
Speaker 9: ground in Israel and why some of these statements that
36:54
Speaker 9: are being heard from Isra, sorry being heard from Australia,
36:58
Speaker 9: are quite disappointing.
36:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, still waiting to see precisely what Israel's next steps
37:03
Speaker 2: are in Gaza.
37:03
Speaker 1: A lot of speculation and discussion, but no.
37:06
Speaker 2: Firm evidence that arsen Ostrowsky, Thank you very much for
37:09
Speaker 2: joining us.
37:11
Speaker 1: All right.
37:12
Speaker 2: Coming up, America's head of national intelligence hints at the
37:15
Speaker 2: existence of alien life in a stunning interview. Plus, musicians,
37:20
Speaker 2: authors and artists demand the Albanezy government take action over AI.
37:25
Speaker 1: That's after this.
37:26
Speaker 2: Quick break, Welcome back. The Productivity Commission has recommended that
37:34
Speaker 2: copyright laws be loosened so that big tech companies won't
37:37
Speaker 2: have to pay for original content that will be used
37:41
Speaker 2: in AI. Now, Australian artists, musicians, authors and media companies
37:46
Speaker 2: are demanding the federal government update copyright laws to protect
37:50
Speaker 2: their content.
37:51
Speaker 1: From being mined for free from being stolen.
37:55
Speaker 2: The Labor government seems confused as to how to handle this.
37:58
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss us media law partner HWL
38:02
Speaker 2: Ebsworth Lawyers Nicholas Pullen, an author and filmmaker Cadence Bell.
38:07
Speaker 1: Great to see you both now.
38:09
Speaker 2: Caden's starting with you, your own author, tell us what
38:13
Speaker 2: concerns you most about this recommendation from the Productivity Commission.
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Speaker 5: Get it, Sarry.
38:19
Speaker 14: Look, Australia has some of the best copyright laws in
38:23
Speaker 14: the entire world and right now we're at risk of
38:27
Speaker 14: losing that. And authors don't make a lot of money
38:30
Speaker 14: as it is. On average, the Credit Australia said that
38:35
Speaker 14: we only earn about eighteen two hundred dollars a year.
38:39
Speaker 14: That's what the average author earns from their work. So
38:42
Speaker 14: if we start losing our copyright protections, we're just going
38:46
Speaker 14: to be devastated. The entire industry is going to be devastated.
38:49
Speaker 14: Australia won't have a culture to enjoy, we won't have
38:53
Speaker 14: new books to enjoy. We'll be reliant on AI generated
38:57
Speaker 14: slop instead, and we just can't.
38:59
Speaker 7: Have it now.
39:01
Speaker 2: Nicholas, as a lawyer, what are your main concerns about
39:05
Speaker 2: this debate that's going on at the moment about the
39:08
Speaker 2: use of content by AI.
39:10
Speaker 3: Well, it's quite a few concerns and I don't want
39:14
Speaker 3: anything I'd say to me misinterpreted. I've gone behalf of
39:16
Speaker 3: authors book publishers. I've been on committee in the book industry.
39:20
Speaker 3: I believe inherently in an Australian and a thrive in
39:24
Speaker 3: Australian book publishing industry, let alone in music. But what
39:28
Speaker 3: has to be recognized here is that perhaps the horse
39:32
Speaker 3: has already bolted regarding the way that AI has mined,
39:38
Speaker 3: whether it's Australian content or anywhere else. And how I
39:42
Speaker 3: think we can't be too dismissive of what the Productivity
39:46
Speaker 3: Commission has come out with in just throwing out perhaps
39:50
Speaker 3: a good idea, perhaps a bad idea, in how to
39:53
Speaker 3: deal with this issue. And the issue is is how
39:58
Speaker 3: to perhaps changing the copyright to start a licensing regime
40:03
Speaker 3: that might be attractive to the lms, the large language
40:08
Speaker 3: models that are continuing to mind and have been mining
40:11
Speaker 3: for our years Australian content. Something has to be done.
40:16
Speaker 2: What do you think about cadences suggestion, as Nicholas put it,
40:19
Speaker 2: that the hoss has already bolted. I mean, it seems
40:21
Speaker 2: like the major AI companies are so far down the
40:25
Speaker 2: track that for Australia to try and charge them a
40:30
Speaker 2: new fee, now, even if it is the absolutely correct
40:33
Speaker 2: thing to do, it'll be very difficult, won't it.
40:37
Speaker 14: That's a little bit like saying that you've caught a
40:40
Speaker 14: burglar in the act of breaking into your home, and
40:44
Speaker 14: the burglar says look, I've already stolen a bunch of stuff.
40:47
Speaker 14: Why don't we just legalize it. Why don't we just
40:50
Speaker 14: make it legal for me to be able to break
40:52
Speaker 14: into your home and to seal your stuff anytime that
40:55
Speaker 14: we like.
40:57
Speaker 3: The talking point that the.
40:58
Speaker 14: Horse has bolted is coming from the technology sector. It's
41:02
Speaker 14: coming from technology companies.
41:05
Speaker 12: They want to.
41:06
Speaker 14: Be able to do this now. They have no shortage
41:08
Speaker 14: of money. Analysts believe that by twenty thirty they will
41:12
Speaker 14: be spending between five and ten trillion dollars that's trillion
41:16
Speaker 14: with a T, and that's just on the data centers
41:20
Speaker 14: to support artificial intelligence. To take matter as an example,
41:25
Speaker 14: the owners of Facebook, they're offering up to one hundred
41:28
Speaker 14: million dollar signing bonuses so people to jump ship and
41:32
Speaker 14: to come and join them to develop their superintelligence, as
41:35
Speaker 14: they call it. But then they turn around to authors
41:38
Speaker 14: like me, and authors around Australia, to filmmaker around Australian musicians,
41:43
Speaker 14: and they say, sorry, game, we just don't have the
41:46
Speaker 14: money to pay you for your work. There is absolutely
41:49
Speaker 14: no weight to the argument. They just want to legalize theft.
41:54
Speaker 2: Really strong comments, say Cadence Nicholas, How do you think
41:56
Speaker 2: the government will end up handling this that does there
41:59
Speaker 2: need to be.
42:00
Speaker 1: New subsection of law on this topic. How are through
42:04
Speaker 1: it with the tech companies?
42:06
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I don't share Cadency's confidence in our copyright laws.
42:15
Speaker 3: I think our copyright laws are actually dickinsy and compared
42:18
Speaker 3: to how they should be. I don't think they're the
42:20
Speaker 3: best in the world. Unfortunately, though, it's the importance of
42:26
Speaker 3: copyright and how it protects not just our artists, our
42:31
Speaker 3: authors and our culture gets a very it's very well
42:37
Speaker 3: down the run of importance. I can't really see anything
42:40
Speaker 3: positive happening that is going to affect the status quo
42:43
Speaker 3: at this stage. And this business of the horses bolted
42:47
Speaker 3: is so true, it's a reality. I'm not This is
42:50
Speaker 3: not a technological excuse. I mean there are major cases
42:53
Speaker 3: in the US and the UK on these very points,
42:57
Speaker 3: and a lot of them are being lost simply because
43:00
Speaker 3: getting images. For instance, just recently just through in the town.
43:03
Speaker 3: Because this is in the UK, they knew that all
43:07
Speaker 3: of their images were being done offshore, not under the
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Speaker 3: jurisdiction of the UK. It's an invidious situation.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: The debate will continue and the government will have to
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Speaker 2: find a path forward. Cadence and Nicholas, thank you very much,
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Speaker 2: appreciate your time.
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Speaker 9: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Now still to come.
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Speaker 2: US Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard makes a stunning
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Speaker 2: admission about possible UFOs and alien life.
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Speaker 1: That's next.
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Speaker 2: An interview with Miranda Devine in The New York Post
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Speaker 2: or in her new podcast, the US Director of National
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Speaker 2: Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard.
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Speaker 1: Seemingly admitted that she believes in aliens. Have a look.
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Speaker 14: Is there anything in the files that you think you
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Speaker 14: could find or you have found.
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Speaker 11: Nothing that I'm prepared to tell about today. I'm just
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Speaker 11: going to say this, Yeah, we're continuing to look for
44:06
Speaker 11: the truth.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that there could be alien.
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Speaker 11: I honestly like my personal belief I have my own
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Speaker 11: views and opinions in this role, I gotta be careful.
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Speaker 1: With what I share.
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Speaker 2: But she did say that, yes, she did believe that.
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Speaker 2: So she didn't detail, as you heard their precisely what
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Speaker 2: the intelligence was, if there was intelligence that led her
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Speaker 2: to form that opinion. And despite the Trump administration promising
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Speaker 2: full transparency, the classified information that the US government holds
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Speaker 2: on this topic still hasn't been released.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss this.
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Speaker 2: Former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig. David, thanks
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Speaker 2: for your time again. Now, as a police detective, you
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Speaker 2: like to examine the evidence, the hard evidence. From what
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Speaker 2: you've seen, is the evidence growing for the existence of
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Speaker 2: what's now termed UAPs.
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Speaker 9: Well, let's just.
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Speaker 15: Say good eating showing good eating everybody. It seems to
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Speaker 15: be growing in America. How serious it is, I don't know.
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Speaker 15: I don't think the actions in the US are being
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Speaker 15: replicated in Australia with the Australian Space Agency simply doesn't
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Speaker 15: have a policy or a mandate to record UAP events.
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Speaker 15: Neither does the art of if they stop recording these
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Speaker 15: events back in two thousand and nine. But it does
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Speaker 15: seem to be increasing in popularity in the US.
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that Australia, that Australian authority is no
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Speaker 2: longer recorded unidentified aerial phenomena.
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Speaker 1: You know, it is fascinating.
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Speaker 2: It is a topic that in America is closely examined.
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Speaker 2: As I just said before, the Trump administration did promise
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Speaker 2: to release everything they had on this topic, like in
45:55
Speaker 2: other areas, like the Epstein files, but they still haven't
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Speaker 2: I mean, what does that tell you that they're still
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Speaker 2: holding documents at keeping them secret.
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Speaker 15: Well, it's a real conflict, isn't it. I mean, if
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Speaker 15: Gabbard is serious about transparency of government and she clearly
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Speaker 15: has knowledge, well that was what the intimation was during
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Speaker 15: the podcast that why wouldn't you release it? Why wouldn't
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Speaker 15: you actually release that? I can see no reason for it.
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Speaker 2: I'm want to ask you about the other big story
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Speaker 2: of this week. This is the investigation and the action
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Speaker 2: by the AFP and ASIO. Now, Beijing has denied the
46:32
Speaker 2: allegations of foreign interference. This after the Chinese woman was
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Speaker 2: arrested for allegations of reckless foreign interference. She allegedly tried
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Speaker 2: to covertly gather intelligence about a camera based Buddhist community.
46:45
Speaker 2: The Australian's got a big article in its paper tomorrow
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Speaker 2: with more about who she is and the businesses she
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Speaker 2: ran in New South Wales and the ACT. But you know,
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Speaker 2: Beijing's strongly denying this reckless foreign interference. ASIO and AFP
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Speaker 2: clearly would have evidence before they take this side of
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Speaker 2: action and in such a public way.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, Shari, you're a spot on there. I mean, the
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Speaker 15: AFP after the tip off from ASIO. Now have a
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Speaker 15: prima facie criminal case against someone who is spying a
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Speaker 15: foreign national on behalf of the Chinese government spying within
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Speaker 15: the Australian borders. So I mean they don't charge people
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Speaker 15: without flagrantly without any proof. This is a prima facie
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Speaker 15: criminal case and the alleged actions of this woman are
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Speaker 15: very serious indeed, and I think interesting that or disappointing
47:40
Speaker 15: so to speak, that Penny Wong would say that she
47:43
Speaker 15: trusts that China will act in China's interests and Australia
47:46
Speaker 15: will act in its interests. But there is a serious
47:49
Speaker 15: clash here. This is China's interests being satisfied within our
47:53
Speaker 15: borders by targeting our citizens.
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Speaker 2: I mean, clearly the AFP can't speak publicly in a
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Speaker 2: critical way against the Albanesi government. But the AFP were
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Speaker 2: very forthright about the allegations. ASIO was very fourth right,
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Speaker 2: the Director General Mike Vergis, And yet as you just
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Speaker 2: referred to, we had this.
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Speaker 1: Muted response from Penny Wang.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think the Albenzi government is so reluctant
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Speaker 2: to call out foreign interference and espionage when it happens.
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Speaker 15: Well, I think if it's done by China. It's basically
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Speaker 15: a lack of backbone that's causing that Chari. To be honest,
48:31
Speaker 15: it's I mean, this is a disgraceful act and an
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Speaker 15: escalation or a continuance of what China has been doing.
48:37
Speaker 15: And our Iranian, Russian and Chinese communities in Australia are
48:42
Speaker 15: vulnerable to this sort of manipulation if we don't take
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Speaker 15: a strong stand against it, and clearly Penny Wang is
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Speaker 15: not doing that at.
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Speaker 1: All, just from what you've seen.
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Speaker 2: Is it hard to actually get a charge like this up?
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Speaker 2: Would there be a variety of other cases that it's
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Speaker 2: simply impossible to get the hard evidence for.
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Speaker 1: Is this going on more than we know?
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Speaker 15: Yes, definitely Chari. As I said, this is a prima
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Speaker 15: facie criminal case. So to get to that level, the
49:10
Speaker 15: actions and the tradecraft utilized by people that are working
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Speaker 15: for a foreign power go beyond that of a normal
49:17
Speaker 15: criminal syndicate. So the surveillance, counter surveillance, anti surveillance techniques,
49:22
Speaker 15: the technology involved with protecting their practices is far in
49:26
Speaker 15: advance of the normal criminal syndicates that police deal with.
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Speaker 15: So it's a big credit to Assistant Commissioner Stephen Nutt
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Speaker 15: and the AFP for being able to get this to
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Speaker 15: this level and hopefully it'll go through with a successful prosecution.
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Speaker 2: Just very quickly thirty seconds the AFP Commissioner Reese Kershaw
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Speaker 2: announced he was leaving this week. Do you think his
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Speaker 2: replacement was the best woman for the job.
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Speaker 1: Ten seconds.
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Speaker 15: Yes, definitely. It's about time the AFP had a woman
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Speaker 15: in charge and this She is a good detective and
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Speaker 15: I think she'll be a great best for the AFP.
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Speaker 2: All Right, David Craig, thank you so much for joining us,
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Speaker 2: and to everyone at home, thank you for your company
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Speaker 2: this week. Have a lovely and relaxing and safe weekend.
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Speaker 1: I'll see you on Monday. And coming up in just
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Speaker 1: a moment is Paul Murray.