Latest / Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News / CO2 Coalition boosts carbon dioxide, the miracle molecule of life

Transcript

CO2 Coalition boosts carbon dioxide, the miracle molecule of life · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

0:07
Mainstream media has betrayed our trust.
0:10
Rather than tell us the whole story about
0:12
the important issues of the day, they tell
0:14
us only what they want us to hear.
0:16
Your hosts, Tom Harris and Todd Royal will
0:19
bring you the other side of the story.
0:27
Of all the climate realist groups that have
0:31
been launched in the past decade, perhaps the
0:34
most significant is the CO2 coalition at CO2coal.org.
0:39
It was established in 2015 as a 501
0:42
C3 nonprofit organization for the purpose of educating
0:45
thought leaders, policymakers, and the public about the
0:48
important contribution made by carbon dioxide to our
0:51
lives in the economy.
0:54
It's not a poison, it's plant food, and
0:56
they are not afraid to say it.
0:58
The coalition seeks to engage in an informed
1:02
and dispassionate discussion of climate change, humans' role
1:05
in the climate system, the limitations of climate
1:08
models, and the consequences of mandated reductions in
1:12
CO2 emissions, which that consequence is very negative.
1:15
Today we speak with Angela Wheeler, the new
1:18
executive director of the CO2 coalition.
1:21
Of course, we had Gregory Wright Stone, the
1:24
former coalition executive director and now senior fellow
1:26
on the program many times in the past.
1:29
So it's great that we can now welcome
1:31
the new executive director to the show today.
1:34
Angela has over 20 years' experience in marketing
1:37
publications, multimedia production, and nonprofit management.
1:41
She joined the CO2 coalition in 2022, and
1:44
her most recent previous position was vice president
1:47
of marketing and multimedia for the coalition.
1:51
Angela leads the coalition in his promotion of
1:54
open scientific inquiry into CO2's benefits in the
1:58
Earth's ecosystems and its encouragement of discussions that
2:01
challenge prevailing climate crisis narratives.
2:05
Angela has held senior editorial and development roles
2:07
at Capital Media Group and the Free Congress
2:10
Research and Education Foundation.
2:13
She has a BA in communications from Emporia
2:15
State University in Kansas, where she also studied
2:18
biology.
2:20
So welcome to the show, Angela.
2:22
It's great to have you on.
2:26
Yeah, for sure.
2:27
So can you tell us about some of
2:28
the people that are involved with the CO2
2:30
coalition?
2:31
Because you have a pretty impressive group of
2:33
people working together.
2:35
Yes, absolutely.
2:36
Well, thank you.
2:37
We one of the things I like to
2:39
recommend for people is to go to our
2:41
CO2 Coalition website.
2:44
It is CO2coalition.org.
2:47
And if you click on members tab at
2:50
the top, it will show you our very
2:52
impressive group of members.
2:55
Also our staff and but our board members,
2:57
our directors.
3:00
It is uh so impressive.
3:02
And as I'm sure you're aware, and probably
3:04
a lot of your listeners are aware.
3:07
Our chairman is Dr.
3:08
William Happer.
3:09
He is Princeton Professor Emeritus, and he is
3:13
absolutely brilliant and has just been such a
3:17
pioneer in this mission and this message.
3:21
And so we're very, very thankful for Dr.
3:23
Happer.
3:24
And then our vice chair is, and I
3:26
won't go through everybody, but I would like
3:28
to highlight a few people.
3:30
But our our vice chair is Rafaela Nasamento.
3:35
She is an expert in nanotechnology.
3:39
She is um actually, I think she did
3:42
postdoctorate work in in Canada at the University
3:44
of Montreal.
3:47
And she is one of, you know, she's
3:50
a top expert in nanotechnology.
3:52
She uh she is the founder and CEO
3:55
of two companies, and she is brilliant and
3:57
very impressive.
4:00
And she also uh volunteers a lot of
4:02
her time for our education initiative.
4:05
We have a committee, we'll talk more about
4:08
that, but we have a an education committee
4:11
that's working very diligently to make sure that
4:14
there are uh that sound science is being
4:16
taught in schools.
4:19
We offer materials to homeschool families.
4:22
We'll talk more about that.
4:23
But Rafaela puts a lot of time at
4:25
volunteer time into that effort.
4:28
So I really wanted to mention her.
4:30
Then one of our directors is also um
4:32
uh Dr.
4:34
Jan Breslow.
4:36
He was the president of the American Heart
4:39
Association, and he also is a professor emeritus
4:42
at Rockefeller University.
4:45
Very, very impressive.
4:47
And you'll see as you continue if you
4:49
look through our website, as I mentioned, you
4:51
just it goes on and on.
4:53
And then, of course, as you know, Dr.
4:55
John Clauser is Oh, yeah, Nobel Prize winner.
4:59
Yeah.
4:59
That's right.
5:00
Nobel prize winner in physics.
5:04
And he has been very outspoken in this
5:07
climate crisis narrative because he knows you know,
5:10
like not to quote him verbatim, but he
5:13
says it's BS.
5:18
Yeah, it's well put.
5:20
Yeah.
5:20
So and as you'll see, I mean, we
5:24
just have just impressive member after impressive member.
5:28
These are all volunteers.
5:30
These are people who have nothing to gain
5:33
by an F and actually probably more to
5:36
lose by stepping up and staying that there
5:39
is no climate crisis.
5:43
That there, uh, you know, collectively, we're very
5:45
hopeful that we'll be able to turn this
5:47
corner and get some.
5:50
We're we're seeing it, we're made some good
5:52
progress in the US.
5:55
So we're hoping that we'll we will see
5:58
the the, you know, the fruit of the
6:00
labor, you know, uh come soon.
6:03
Yeah, for sure.
6:04
I I am always very impressed with these
6:06
people because Happer, for example, I mean, obviously
6:08
a super expert, very highly qualified, and yet
6:11
they're humble people.
6:13
You know, they're not arrogant the way some
6:15
of the people on the other side are.
6:17
Absolutely.
6:18
And and so they're so sincere.
6:20
You know, as I I tell people often,
6:23
we we attend a lot of conferences, and
6:25
that is I'll be able to speak one-on-one
6:28
with people that really have never heard uh
6:30
this side of the narrative.
6:33
It's amazing.
6:34
But that is exactly what you just said.
6:36
That's what I what I say to them
6:38
is that you would be so surprised at
6:41
just the sincerity of these individuals.
6:43
And that's why it's uh, you know, one
6:46
of the reasons it's such an honor for
6:49
me to be in this position now as
6:51
executive director and be able to promote the
6:54
work of these incredible members.
6:57
Yeah, for sure.
6:58
And you know, Will Happer, again, uh, I
7:00
Again, uh, I wanted to emphasize him.
7:00
wanted to emphasize him.
7:01
We interviewed him actually several times, and I'll
7:01
We interviewed him actually several times, and I'll
7:03
include links to the interview.
7:03
include links to the interview.
7:05
And also Nas Cemento, what's her name again?
7:05
And also Nas Cemento, what's her name again?
7:08
Oh, Rafaela Nasimento.
7:08
Oh, Rafaela Nasimento.
7:10
Yeah, we interviewed her once a few years
7:10
Yeah, we interviewed her once a few years
7:12
ago when Jay Lair was my co-host, and
7:12
ago when Jay Lair was my co host,
7:13
and we'll include the link to her presentation
7:13
we'll include the link to her presentation as
7:15
as well.
7:15
well.
7:17
So, you know, one of the things I
7:17
So, you know, one of the things I
7:18
really like about the CO2 coalition is so
7:18
really like about the CO2 coalition is so
7:20
many groups kind of pull their punches.
7:20
many groups kind of pull their punches.
7:22
You know, they're not afraid, they're they're afraid
7:22
You know, they're not afraid, they're they're afraid
7:25
to actually say the obvious, namely CO2 is
7:25
to actually say the obvious, namely CO2 is
7:27
good for the planet.
7:27
good for the planet.
7:30
And so the CO2 coalition, I really encourage
7:32
people to check out co2coalition.org, because they don't
7:35
say, oh, it's not too bad, you know.
7:38
They say, no, it's great, you know, it's
7:40
a wonderful element for the planet.
7:42
I so I really appreciate the fact that
7:44
you're so direct.
7:46
I love that you say that.
7:47
And uh, and from a science perspective, we're
7:49
very thankful to be able to say that
7:51
and we're and to show the the scientific
7:53
evidence of that.
7:56
And so, you know, we have a children's
7:58
series called Sleep Well, and so we often
8:00
say, you know, sleep well, there's no climate
8:02
crisis.
8:05
And what we're what we're finding is that
8:08
people are very relieved to know that the
8:11
data and the the science exists, that we
8:14
can relax and and not have this crisis
8:17
narrative within every morning when we wake up
8:21
and every time it rains or there's you
8:24
know, of course, floods, droughts, tornadoes, hurricanes, too
8:27
hot, too cold.
8:30
What we hear in the media is that
8:33
that is human-cause climate crisis, you know, that
8:35
was human-induced.
8:38
And what I am able to say, especially
8:41
as I talk to these younger people, is
8:44
you you know, this is great news that
8:47
because that is false.
8:50
And here's the information to show you.
8:52
And and I usually at first they're a
8:55
little hesitant, but then they by the end
8:57
of our conversation, and sometimes those conversations will
8:59
go for half an hour or so because
9:01
they're fascinated.
9:04
By the end of the conversation, they are
9:06
relieved.
9:08
They're just thankful to know.
9:10
Well, yeah, and I think that young people
9:13
they like to question authority, you know.
9:15
I mean, it's interesting because I taught a
9:18
course as a sessional lecturer at Carlton University
9:20
for four years, and the students like we
9:23
do we were doing it mostly by Zoom
9:25
by TV, and the students were amazed because
9:28
they'd never heard this side of the story.
9:30
And to a certain extent, I feel that
9:32
it's it's a bit of child abuse to
9:34
only tell them the doom and gloom, don't
9:35
you think so?
9:38
Oh, absolutely.
9:38
And actually, that brings up another member, Dr.
9:41
Daniel Niebert.
9:43
He is uh, you know, he's he's a
9:45
medical doctor.
9:46
Um, he's retired now, but he actually wrote
9:49
a report.
9:51
You can find it on our website.
9:53
I'll send you that link about you know
9:55
ego anxiety.
9:57
This is a this is a real diagnosis
10:00
now in in this world that we live
10:02
in, that ego anxiety where younger people especially,
10:05
but it you don't even have to be
10:08
you know younger, but where there's such a
10:11
fear, just living in fear, and it is
10:14
yes, and so when it comes to the
10:16
younger ones, it's it is abuse, it is
10:19
unbelievable that that is what's being taught in
10:22
schools.
10:25
You might sorry to interrupt, but you might
10:28
remember Annika Sweetland at the ICCC16.
10:30
She said that the rate of anxiety and
10:33
depression among young people in the UK has
10:35
tripled and since 2000, and in the US
10:38
it's doubled.
10:40
So I mean, she didn't actually say it,
10:41
but I would assume the climate is part
10:43
of this issue.
10:45
Absolutely.
10:46
And you know, one of the other concerns
10:49
is that yes, this is being promoted in
10:53
in schools, and the National Science Teaching Association,
10:56
which is in America is the largest um
11:00
or teachers organization for science teachers, they promote
11:03
a climate crisis emphatically, and so uh all
11:07
of the science teachers are receiving this as
11:10
fact, and that is problematic.
11:14
We have a report challenging the NSTA's position
11:17
on climate change.
11:20
Oh, good, good.
11:21
Yeah, so you're pushing you're pushing back at
11:23
the source of the students' anxiety, like the
11:25
their teachers.
11:27
Exactly.
11:28
And the science organizations, and and you know,
11:31
and that's why we're attending the homeschool conferences,
11:34
because these are people, these are families that
11:37
have taken this into their own hands.
11:40
They some of them don't even understand the
11:42
science part of it, but what I hear
11:45
a lot is they'll say, Well, I have
11:47
this gut feeling that there what there's not
11:49
a climate crisis, but I haven't seen the
11:51
evidence.
11:53
And that goes back to what I was
11:55
mentioning earlier.
11:56
And then we're there to provide the evidence.
11:58
And of course, we have these big signs
12:01
that say, good news, there's no climate crisis.
12:03
And you know, we we make it very
12:06
known why why we're there.
12:08
Uh and so, and science education, not indoctrination
12:11
is another big sign that we post at
12:13
these conferences.
12:16
But they are able to see that there
12:19
that there is the science and and evidence
12:22
to back up, you know, our mission statement.
12:25
So at the ICCC 16, they actually had
12:28
a youth panel, and um, so they were
12:31
starting to focus on children and young people.
12:34
And but you've been doing it for quite
12:35
some time, haven't you?
12:37
Like I can remember Chloe the clownfish.
12:39
And what's what's that what's that story about
12:41
and how can people get a copy?
12:43
Yes, Chloe the Clownfish is the it was
12:46
written by Gregory Wright Stone.
12:49
And in how and I'll tell you more
12:51
about it, and then I'll tell you how
12:53
you can receive it.
12:55
But it is the about the great barrier
12:56
reef.
12:58
Chloe lives uh in, you know, the um
13:02
she's been hearing that all of the corals
13:05
are dying and that everything's horrible and terrible.
13:09
And then as uh Dr.
13:10
Peter Ridd also contributed to this book.
13:14
He is an expert on the Great Barrier
13:16
Reef.
13:18
He contributed uh scientific evidence to this.
13:22
And so you can receive the PDF for
13:25
free on our website, CO2 Learning Center.com, or
13:29
you can order it there as well.
13:33
But we we like you can order the
13:36
the book, it's very beautiful and illustrated by
13:40
our uh visual arts advisor Tiago Hellinger.
13:44
He's um in Brazil, extraordinarily talented.
13:48
He does all of our illustrations and animations
13:50
even for our videos because we have several
13:53
videos now on our CO2 Learning Center YouTube
13:56
channel as well.
13:59
And all of our books and videos have
14:00
All of our books and videos have lesson
14:01
plans.
14:02
lesson plans, but it's all free.
14:03
It's all free.
14:04
Now the books you can order if you
14:04
Now the books you can order if you
14:07
want the printed copy, but PDFs are available
14:07
want the printed copy, but PDFs are available
14:10
because we want everyone to have the information.
14:10
because we want everyone to have the information.
14:13
That's our main objective.
14:13
That's our main objective.
14:14
So just to say that website again for
14:15
So just to say that website again for
14:16
people who are doing homeschooling, because we have
14:16
people who are doing homeschooling, because we have
14:18
a pretty big audience, so I'm sure some
14:18
a pretty big audience.
14:20
of them would be doing it.
14:20
So I'm sure some of them would be
14:21
doing it.
14:22
Well, the the Learning Center website is CO2
14:22
Well, the the learning center website is CO2
14:24
Learning Center.com.
14:24
Learning Center.com.
14:27
Learning you can get there from our main
14:28
You can get there from our main.
14:30
page, which is co2coalition.org.
14:33
The reason why we have a standalone website
14:35
is because it's very it's well, you'll see
14:38
when you go to it.
14:40
It's very engaging.
14:41
It's all animated characters.
14:43
So it's it's so we really wanted to
14:45
make it very engaging to well to students
14:47
and to educators.
14:50
Yeah, that's one aspect of CO2 coalition.
14:52
I really appreciate it.
14:54
I do encourage people if you're doing homeschooling,
14:56
check out CO2 Learning Center.com.
14:59
That's the place to go.
15:01
And you know, my question then is do
15:02
you think young people are waking up to
15:04
climate realism?
15:06
Certainly at the ICCC conference, which I'll link
15:08
to under the podcast.
15:10
In particular, I'll link to the youth's youth
15:11
panel.
15:13
Do you see them waking up or are
15:15
they just ah, we don't believe you.
15:17
I do see them waking up.
15:19
I think that there are two groups.
15:21
I think that there are, I mean, I
15:23
guess maybe there's a group in the middle,
15:25
but there is definitely one group that this
15:27
is their religion.
15:30
They they have owned this narrative, and kind
15:32
of like Greta, you know, kind of, you
15:34
know, sort of like although she sort of
15:36
abandoned it now for her.
15:39
Back to what you the question that you
15:41
asked, more young adults are looking more into
15:43
the science and the data.
15:45
And I think part of that is because
15:47
of COVID.
15:48
Because they were just they're tired of being
15:51
told what to think.
15:54
They they know that they can think, and
15:56
they're tired of being told what to think.
15:59
Now, I went to this is pretty fascinating,
16:02
but I went to TPUSA, America Fest, and
16:04
we did that.
16:07
We had a booth and exhibited there so
16:10
that we could engage with a lot of
16:13
college students, high school students, and you'd be
16:15
surprised at even that demographic, which tends to
16:18
be more conservative, and the majority of the
16:21
students that we spoke to believe in a
16:23
climate crisis.
16:26
It's the only thing they've ever been taught.
16:30
And now, and in my speech at the
16:32
Heartland Conference, one of the things that I
16:34
pointed out was that there were 42% of
16:37
young Republicans that were in a that were
16:39
pulled.
16:42
Uh, University of Chicago energy poll.
16:45
I'll send you that link as well.
16:47
26% used to believe of young Republicans, used
16:50
to believe in a climate crisis.
16:53
As of last year, end of last year,
16:54
now that's 42%.
16:57
So more are actually buying into this crisis
17:00
narrative.
17:04
But I do think that once they receive
17:06
that the information, see the data, they are
17:09
willing to look at it.
17:12
And that's important.
17:13
Yeah, for sure.
17:14
I I wasn't able to get any get
17:16
your talk because you know, they're having a
17:18
double panel, and I was uh had ones
17:19
I had to hear from my job.
17:21
So tell us about your presentation at ICCC
17:23
16, because I'm going to link to it
17:25
for the podcast, but uh can you whet
17:27
our appetite?
17:30
Absolutely, yes.
17:31
Well, basically, you know, I we as I
17:34
mentioned, we are very concerned about science education
17:38
in America, and so the the um topic
17:41
was the restoring the scientific method.
17:45
And one of the things that most people
17:48
don't understand is or know, is in 2013,
17:50
the uh next generation science standards were introduced
17:53
by federal government.
17:57
So all of the states could adopt them,
18:00
and 49 states adopted the next generation science
18:03
standards.
18:06
The only state that did not was Florida.
18:08
They remained neutral in the next generation science
18:10
standards.
18:13
You will not find a mention of the
18:14
scientific method.
18:17
Uh-huh.
18:18
Science standard.
18:19
Jeez, that sounds like the most basic thing.
18:21
Yes, it is.
18:23
And so basically what they are have done,
18:25
and we're now seeing the results of that
18:27
because that's been that was 2013 when those
18:30
were introduced.
18:32
And so now we're seeing the effect of
18:35
all of that with these students who believe
18:38
that there's a climate crisis based on models,
18:41
based on computer models, based on engineering, and
18:43
not science.
18:46
And the the public school students in America
18:49
are being taught what to think and not
18:51
how to think.
18:54
And many schools, and of course, there are
18:56
some teachers and schools out there that are
18:59
open to saying that there is two sides
19:02
to this narrative, but most of them are
19:04
teaching this as fact.
19:08
Well, we I'm sure you've spoken many times
19:10
about the settled science.
19:12
And as we know, science is never settled.
19:16
And and as soon as you start talking
19:18
about consensus in science or settled science, that
19:21
is a huge red flag.
19:24
Yeah, sorry to interrupt, but you actually made
19:25
a document.
19:26
Your your CO2 coalition made a documentary, and
19:28
I'll read the title.
19:30
Unsettled climate change is real story.
19:32
So can you tell us about that?
19:34
I understand it premiered just oh a couple
19:36
few weeks ago on Newsmax.
19:38
Yes, well, actually, we did not produce that.
19:40
Newsmax actually produced that.
19:43
Oh, is that right?
19:44
Yes.
19:44
So we were very thankful, and we had
19:47
several of our members that were featured in
19:49
Unsettled.
19:51
And I think the only place that you
19:54
can see it is on Newsmax, their subscription
19:56
channel, and we have to work with them
19:59
to get the clips, you know, copyright and
20:01
and everything.
20:04
Yeah, but yeah, so hopefully we'll be able
20:05
to promote that.
20:07
But another thing that was really great was
20:10
that we have created two awesome ads, and
20:12
we were able to show those two ads
20:15
during that production.
20:17
Oh, good.
20:18
So it aired several times, but during two
20:21
of the of the times we were able
20:23
to have our two ads show.
20:26
There's two their 60 second ads, and we
20:30
have not started promoting them fully yet.
20:33
We're still seeing how we want to uh
20:36
what to do that, whether it'll be the
20:38
television or whether it will be through social
20:40
media, things like that.
20:43
Yeah, for sure.
20:44
You just put up a Facebook video about
20:46
the scientific method, and you know, you did
20:48
mention it just a couple of minutes ago.
20:50
I think it's really important to say more
20:52
about that because without the scientific method, do
20:54
you really have science?
20:56
Like, what is it exactly?
20:58
Exactly.
20:59
We actually we have quite a few videos
21:00
Have quite a few videos on the scientific
21:01
on the scientific method.
21:01
method.
21:03
We have different members that discuss this.
21:03
We have different members that discuss this.
21:05
Dr.
21:05
Dr.
21:05
Sharon Camp, that may be the one that
21:05
Sharon Camp, and that may be the one
21:07
you're thinking of.
21:07
that you're thinking of.
21:08
Oh, yes.
21:09
That was Dr.
21:09
Dr.
21:10
Sharon Camp.
21:10
Sharon Camp, we uh have a few interviews
21:11
We uh have a few interviews with her,
21:12
with her, and we'll take clips from those
21:14
and we'll take clips from those interviews, but
21:14
interviews, but she will often talk about the
21:16
she will often talk about the scientific method.
21:17
scientific method.
21:19
She taught for 21 years, and I believe
21:19
She taught for 21 years, and I believe
21:23
15 of those she taught AP environmental science.
21:23
15 of those she taught AP environmental science.
21:27
And she's not just a scientist.
21:27
And she's not just a science teacher, she
21:29
is a scientist.
21:32
Some science uh teachers just have a science
21:35
education, which is nice, but she has a
21:38
um a master's degree in geology and a
21:41
PhD in analytical chemistry.
21:44
She knows her stuff.
21:46
And so, yes, and so and she writes
21:49
all of our lesson plans, and we discuss
21:52
that those are available at CO2 Learning Center.com
21:55
to download for free as a PDF with
21:58
every book and every video has a very
22:01
comprehensive lesson plan written by Dr.
22:05
Camp.
22:06
And does she actually talk about the scientific
22:08
method, actually define it so people you know
22:10
who don't know will learn?
22:12
I'm so glad you asked because yes, our
22:15
our fifth book uh from our first series,
22:17
it's called Mystery of the Night Raiders.
22:20
It is specifically about the scientific method, and
22:23
so her lesson plan for that goes into
22:26
great detail on the scientific method.
22:30
And we meet a lot of homeschool families
22:33
that are very nervous about teaching science.
22:36
Yeah, I taught I studied science, um, I
22:38
was pre-med, I changed my major to communication,
22:41
but I I had a lot of science
22:44
courses, and I also taught eighth grade earth
22:46
science in a private school.
22:50
But one of the things that I like
22:53
to tell their teachers and parents is that
22:57
science is really just questioning everything, it's testing
23:01
everything, and there's never a wrong answer.
23:05
And a lot of times the students are
23:07
seeing this going back to this anxiety, they
23:09
see this anxiety because they're afraid to get
23:12
the wrong answer.
23:14
But all of our great inventions and medical
23:18
advances, all of these have occurred from a
23:21
lot of times mistakes and being allowed to
23:25
make mistakes, and uh that's what advances science.
23:29
And when we limit that, when we do
23:31
not allow students to follow through on their
23:33
questions, the world is going to look different
23:35
one day.
23:37
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
23:39
So the scientific method, maybe we can define
23:40
it a little bit better.
23:42
It's evidence-based, right?
23:44
You know, one of the things I say
23:46
in my presentation at ICCC is I say
23:49
so much of what we're seeing now is
23:51
not evidence-based decision making, it's decision-based evidence making,
23:53
where this the government decides what's right, and
23:55
then your job is to go out and
23:58
find evidence to support it.
24:00
But the scientific method doesn't work that way,
24:01
does it?
24:03
No, but the the scientific method is a
24:04
process.
24:06
Okay.
24:06
And I think that's one of the things
24:09
that we have had some pushback from people
24:12
that will say, no, the scientific method is
24:15
in the in next generation science standards.
24:18
But the process is not, it is a
24:19
process.
24:21
And so that's important to understand.
24:24
And I would highly encourage you to go,
24:26
you know, down to your listeners to download
24:29
the book, uh, Mystery of the Night Raiders
24:31
and the lesson plan that accompanies it.
24:34
And it goes into just great detail.
24:36
I mean, much greater than I could go
24:39
into here, uh, just about how to encourage
24:42
your children and even ourselves.
24:45
I think that we have to remember to
24:48
use the scientific method in our thought process,
24:50
because then we don't just buy into any
24:53
narrative that comes along, like carbon dioxide is
24:55
poisonous.
24:58
If we were thinking through these things, we
25:01
wouldn't be in this position.
25:03
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
25:05
So the scientific method involves you observe nature,
25:08
you hypothesize a possible scientific conclusion or result,
25:11
then you try to gather data to see
25:15
if you can prove or disprove your hypothesis.
25:18
And if you disprove it, you reject it,
25:19
right?
25:20
I mean, you don't basically continue with something
25:22
that isn't supported by the data.
25:24
Right.
25:25
And one of the things that's really important
25:27
to remember is that you can't prove a
25:30
hypo a hypothesis, you can only disprove it.
25:33
Oh, good point.
25:34
So, but yes, you do have to continue
25:35
to test.
25:37
And that is the other thing.
25:38
We look at computer models, and I know
25:41
that you're an expert in this area of
25:44
the climate crisis, but think about these can
25:47
these models, what these projections.
25:50
We cannot get the weather right next week.
25:53
Yeah, yeah.
25:54
But yet we're supposed to change our entire
25:58
energy grid based on some projections for 30
26:01
years in advance, 50 years in advance, and
26:05
let's talk about net zero, because even if
26:09
we did reach net zero, we would decrease
26:12
the temperature by a fraction of a degree.
26:16
Yeah.
26:16
So basically, no change.
26:18
And and it's funny, my husband one time
26:21
he said all pain, no gain.
26:24
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
26:25
So that's a good way to look at
26:26
that.
26:27
All pain, no gain.
26:28
And so we're changing our entire lives.
26:31
We have these young, this young generation who
26:33
they do not even want to have children
26:36
because they don't want to bring children into
26:39
a chaotic world with climate crisis where they
26:41
see no future.
26:44
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
26:45
Vogue magazine had a headline and an article,
26:47
which said the greatest act of environmental terrorism,
26:50
I think they were saying was having a
26:52
child, you know, or environmental degradation, I can't
26:54
remember.
26:57
But I'll link to that under the podcast
26:59
because it's a good example of how they're
27:01
discouraging people from having children, you know, which
27:03
is really sad because I mean, you want
27:06
to have kids in the developed part of
27:08
the world, so they can be well educated
27:10
and help solve the world's problems.
27:13
One of the problems is you get places
27:15
like Nigeria where they have huge numbers of
27:17
children, but they don't have the funds or
27:19
the resources to educate them properly.
27:21
So we should have children in North America.
27:24
I mean, of all places on earth, this
27:26
is the best place to educate children, surely.
27:29
Well, I contributed to that.
27:30
I have seven myself.
27:31
Oh, okay.
27:33
I have two.
27:34
I have two girls.
27:35
But one of them one of them is
27:37
a master's of physics, actually, and she helps
27:38
me with a lot of my articles.
27:40
We had her um on the show just
27:42
a couple of weeks ago, Mary Jean Harris.
27:44
And uh, yeah, that was kind of fun.
27:47
But um, yeah, the the whole idea that
27:49
you know the earth is going to hell
27:50
in a handbasket.
27:52
I mean, what a terrible message to give
27:53
children.
27:54
You you should be encouraging them to try
27:56
to triumph, you know, and and actually have
27:58
a successful world.
28:00
World.
28:00
You know, it's interesting.
28:00
You know, it's interesting.
28:01
There's a book called The Other Side of
28:01
There's a book called The Other Side of
28:02
History.
28:02
History.
28:03
It's on Audible, which is fun because you
28:03
It's on Audible, which is fun because you
28:04
can listen to it while you go for
28:04
can listen to it while you go for
28:06
a walk.
28:06
a walk.
28:07
But this professor actually said, look, most of
28:07
But this professor actually said, Look, most of
28:10
history, official history is the history of generals
28:10
history, official history is the history of generals
28:13
and presidents and kings and people like that.
28:13
and presidents and kings and people like that.
28:16
You don't hear about the average person.
28:16
You don't hear about the average person.
28:19
And so he asks the question, like, what
28:19
And so he asked the question like, what
28:20
would it be like to be a mother
28:20
would it be like to be a mother
28:22
in Paleolithic times?
28:22
in Paleolithic times?
28:23
Or what would it be like to be
28:23
Or what would it be like to be
28:25
a slave in ancient Rome?
28:25
a slave in ancient Rome?
28:26
And so he looks at the average person's
28:26
And so he looks at the average person's
28:27
life.
28:28
life and the conclusion.
28:29
And the conclusion he comes to at the
28:31
end, which I think is really interesting.
28:32
He said, if you're old or sick, today
28:35
is the best time to be alive because
28:37
he shows what people who are old and
28:39
sick suffered, you know, in the year 1000
28:41
AD.
28:44
I mean, now is a great time to
28:45
be alive.
28:47
It is, absolutely.
28:48
It yeah, scientifically, we're living in a time
28:50
called climate optima, where they are, you know,
28:53
coming out of the little ice age.
28:56
We are, you know, times are good.
28:59
Times are great.
29:01
We have more food and actually more CO2
29:04
is enhances that, and the two together have
29:08
made a very lovely contribution to humanity.
29:12
Yeah, for sure.
29:13
We have to go for a break now,
29:14
but after the break, I'd like you to
29:16
expand a little bit on that.
29:17
What has the increasing CO2 done to our
29:20
agriculture, done to our crop productivity, forests?
29:24
Can you go into that after the break?
29:26
Absolutely.
29:27
Okay.
29:27
So we'll be right back with Angela Wheeler,
29:30
the new executive director of the CO2 coalition.
29:33
Check it out at CO2coalition.org.
29:36
Your heart is the most crucial muscle in
29:37
your body.
29:38
Are you doing enough to keep it strong?
29:40
Introducing the wellness company's breakthrough healthy heart formula.
29:43
Designed by Dr.
29:44
Peter McCullough, now upgraded with taurine.
29:47
This daily supplement supports cardiovascular health and works
29:50
to protect cells against oxidative stress.
29:53
Packed with Dribos to boost heart function, taurine
29:55
to help maintain heart muscular health, coenzyme Q10
29:58
and selenium citrate to help reduce risk of
30:00
cardiac disease.
30:03
And a vitamin B complex with L carnitine
30:05
for energy and muscle support.
30:07
Endorsed by the wellness company's chief medical board.
30:10
This formula is your ally for heart health.
30:12
Reclaim your health now at TWC.health forward slash
30:15
out loud and use code out loud for
30:18
20% off your first order plus free shipping.
30:21
In just two minutes per day, you can
30:24
reclaim your health and cut your grocery bill
30:26
in half with one simple convenient product.
30:28
Our doctor formulated green 85 juice formula's powerful
30:31
dose of ultra concentrated essential nutrients, stops hunger
30:34
in its tracks and supplies your cells with
30:37
what's missing in the grocery store food.
30:40
Go to chemicalfree body.com forward slash out loud
30:44
today, get nature's super multivitamin green 85, empower
30:47
your immune system, cut down on your grocery
30:50
bill, and save 20% on your first order.
30:53
Oral hygiene hasn't changed in 50 years, but
30:55
our diet and the way we eat has
30:58
creating an environment in your mouth for bacteria
31:00
to wreck havoc on your teeth and gums
31:02
for better oral health.
31:05
Get spray dental defense, an oral care line
31:08
designed to combat acid creating bacteria.
31:11
The toothpaste, mouthwash, mints, and gum all contain
31:14
xylitol, and natural ingredients shown to dramatically improve
31:16
oral health.
31:19
Sprite can be found online and at all
31:21
fine natural retailers.
31:23
In a world of rising prices, you can
31:25
still grow abundance.
31:27
I'm Doug Evans, author of the national bestseller,
31:29
The Sprout Book.
31:31
Sprouts grow in three to five days without
31:34
soil, sunshine, or fertilizer on your kitchen countertop
31:37
for under a dollar serving.
31:40
Take control of your food and your future.
31:43
Visit the sprouting company.com slash out loud and
31:45
use the code out loud for an exclusive
31:48
offer.
31:50
Grow food, not fear.
31:52
Have you been looking for a healthy snack
31:54
for on the go?
31:56
Well, not all energy bars are soft and
31:58
sugary.
32:00
Bear bars are a crunchy savory bar made
32:03
from just six simple natural ingredients.
32:07
Bear bars are plant-based, organic gluten-free, contain six
32:10
grams of protein and are low temperature dried
32:12
for unique crunch.
32:16
Most energy bars are based on chocolate or
32:18
fruit and are held together with syrups or
32:20
sweeteners.
32:23
To learn more, just visit barebar.com slash out
32:25
loud.
32:33
The American experiment was a stroke of genius
32:35
in a world of oppressors.
32:38
July 4th, 2026 marks 250 years since the
32:42
sign-in of the Declaration of Independence.
32:49
America outlaw.
32:56
To the Alpha.
32:59
So I'm back with Angela Wheeler, the new
33:03
executive director of the CO2 Coalition at CO2coalition.org.
33:07
People have got to check it out.
33:08
Very positive website talks about the demon gas,
33:10
CO2.
33:12
It's not, it's our friend.
33:14
And what is it done for agriculture and
33:16
crop productivity and what's the impact of the
33:19
rising CO2, Angela?
33:21
Well, just to give so much hope and
33:24
good news is that it is increasing crops.
33:28
There are so many advantages of CO2.
33:30
And if you want to look at some
33:32
great videos, we have a series called Climate
33:34
Chronicles.
33:36
It goes through so many of the things
33:38
that you just mentioned and in detail, beautiful
33:40
visuals.
33:42
They're only about four minutes.
33:44
Oh, good.
33:44
And so that is so helpful to be
33:46
able to see all of the evidence and
33:49
discuss that.
33:51
But yes, we are living in a time
33:53
of climate optima.
33:55
We have uh a lot to look forward
33:58
to in that we have more crop growth.
34:02
As a matter of fact, we think about
34:03
where do people go on vacation?
34:05
Where do we go?
34:06
We go to the beach, we go where
34:07
it's warm.
34:09
We have uh on our CO2 Learning Learning
34:11
Center.com, we have a new video called Life
34:13
Loves Warmth.
34:15
And it's basically goes through historically, it was
34:19
written by one of our directors, Jim Steele.
34:22
And then our whole we have an education
34:25
committee that goes through through a lot of
34:27
uh review process.
34:29
And so we have uh, you know, a
34:32
lot of experts that are weighing in, but
34:35
it's about a 21-minute video, and also with
34:38
lesson plans that go along with each section.
34:41
And so that's something that I strongly uh
34:43
encourage because it goes back to what we
34:44
were just saying.
34:46
Yes, life loves warmth and more CO2.
34:49
Yeah, for sure.
34:50
Yeah, one thing that really intrigues me is
34:51
the idea that as CO2 rises, which by
34:53
the way, is uh is a natural thing
34:55
in Earth's history, isn't it?
34:57
I mean, we're apparently at one of the
34:59
lower levels of CO2 in the last half
35:00
Levels of CO2 in the last half billion
35:01
billion years, isn't that right?
35:01
years, isn't that right?
35:03
That's exactly right.
35:03
That's exactly right.
35:04
And you know, what one of the things
35:04
And you know, what one of the things
35:07
that we talk about with a lot of
35:07
that we talk about with a lot of
35:09
people is that because they hear, oh, there's
35:09
people is that because they hear, oh, there's
35:12
too much CO2, and and we're able to
35:12
too much CO2, and and we're able to
35:14
show the graphs and the data that shows
35:14
show the graphs and the data that shows
35:16
that no, it's been much, much higher, you
35:16
that no, it's been much, much higher, you
35:19
know, double triple time, you know, higher.
35:19
know, double triple time, you know, higher.
35:21
But the other thing is is that most
35:21
But the other thing is is that most
35:24
people don't realize is that plants die at
35:24
people don't realize is that plants die at
35:26
150 parts per million.
35:26
150 parts per million.
35:29
We're
35:29
We're at about 420 parts per million, and
35:32
that is scary, actually.
35:36
One thing that Patrick Moore talks about, and
35:37
I know he's one, he's on your one
35:39
of your members, actually, Dr.
35:41
Patrick Moore, one of the founders of Greenpeace,
35:43
he says that CO2 has been dropping for
35:46
millions of years, and that we've actually helped
35:48
save life on earth by our releasing of
35:51
CO2 from fossil fuels and from cement and
35:53
things like that.
35:56
Do you think he's exaggerating?
35:58
Because that is the exact opposite of what
36:00
the environmentalists are telling us.
36:02
No, he's he's absolutely right, and of course,
36:04
he's the expert, you know.
36:07
I I but I do study all of
36:10
the data and I look at at all
36:13
of it, and yes, it is accurate that
36:16
we are in a decline.
36:19
We are actually Dr.
36:20
Happer will refer to it as impoverished.
36:23
We are CO2 impoverished.
36:25
Now, it is interesting because sometimes people find
36:28
that to be very unbelievable because of the
36:31
connotation that has been placed.
36:35
When the EPA in the Clean Air Act
36:38
in Massachusetts versus EPA declared CO2 as a
36:41
pollutant.
36:44
Oh, yeah.
36:45
Then people think of CO2 as a pollutant.
36:48
And then you go to places like Amazon,
36:51
and they have an entire climate pledge and
36:54
to try to reduce your carbon footprint, and
36:57
everywhere we go, it's reducing your carbon footprint.
37:00
And so this narrative, this people have just
37:02
owned this bought in, I guess you could
37:05
say to this narrative.
37:07
Um speaking of children, my son went to
37:10
UCLA.
37:12
Oh wow.
37:13
And you know, my husband and I have
37:15
two sons actually that attended UCLA.
37:19
And one of them, you know, came out
37:21
just completely understanding that there was a lot
37:24
of uh propaganda.
37:26
And so he was able to sort of
37:29
just stay away from that.
37:31
My second son, he said, you know, he
37:34
questioned everything, but he, when I started working
37:36
at the CO2 coalition, he said, why do
37:39
in are all of the the university, you
37:42
know, promotes this, all of the media promotes
37:44
this.
37:47
Why would I think that there's not a
37:50
climate crisis?
37:52
And I just said, are you willing to
37:54
look at other data?
37:56
He said, of course, you know.
37:57
So uh, and that was a proud mom
38:00
moment because I really, you know, you don't
38:02
want them to be closed-minded, right?
38:05
But actually, he came to me after some
38:07
time, a few weeks, and he said, I
38:10
realize that this is what his generation calls
38:13
the Mandela effect.
38:16
Oh, okay.
38:17
And I don't know if you are familiar
38:18
with that.
38:19
But no, I'm not.
38:20
So the Mandela effect is that their gen
38:24
this generation had heard over and over and
38:27
over again that Nelson Mandela died in prison.
38:31
And they just believed it because they heard
38:34
it over and over again.
38:37
And so, but then he said, This climate
38:41
crisis is the Mandela effect.
38:45
We all see he became he became president
38:47
after prison.
38:50
Exactly.
38:50
Exactly.
38:51
So once they hear that, and so, and
38:54
again, it kind of goes back to COVID,
38:56
where they were really depending on experts to
38:58
to be able to share, you know, to
39:01
tell everybody how to can live their lives
39:03
and control everyone's lives, and then come to
39:06
find out maybe that was uh too much,
39:08
right?
39:11
Yeah, and so but now I think that
39:14
this younger generation is starting to see that
39:17
it is there's more to to see.
39:20
There's more to see.
39:21
Well, you know, one of the things I
39:23
say is why would they pump poison into
39:24
greenhouses?
39:26
I mean, they push it into greenhouses, I
39:28
understand, because many of the plants evolved at
39:30
a time when CO2 was much higher.
39:33
And I don't mean like 20 or 30
39:35
or 50 parts per million higher, I mean
39:37
triple, triple the current levels.
39:40
So is that is that actually why they
39:41
pump CO2 in?
39:43
They're trying to give the plants the opportunity
39:45
to really flourish.
39:47
Absolutely, yes.
39:49
Yeah, yes.
39:49
And one one thing that's kind of intriguing
39:52
also is the reduction in desert size, because
39:54
isn't it true that as CO2 rises, the
39:57
plant stomata don't have to stay open as
39:59
long, the little holes, and as a consequence,
40:01
they don't lose as much water.
40:04
So plants can grow in areas that previously
40:06
were too dry for plants to grow.
40:09
Isn't that accurate?
40:10
Yes, and they're more drought resistant.
40:13
That's another advantage of more CO2.
40:16
Yeah, for sure.
40:18
So you got two factors.
40:19
One is the plants grow faster, probably more
40:21
nutritious because you're giving them more nutrition themselves
40:23
for growing, but also they don't need as
40:25
much water.
40:28
So I mean, where's the downside?
40:30
Where is there any downside to rising CO2?
40:33
Well, I think that interestingly, I think that
40:36
the what we see is that always the
40:38
propaganda stating that there is.
40:41
For example, you just mentioned the nutritional value.
40:44
We have a report out the nutritional value
40:47
of and uh plants growing with enhanced CO2
40:51
on our website, uh, because we were countering
40:54
a narrative that states that that more CO2
40:57
causes uh less nutrition, and that is not
41:01
the case.
41:05
So we what we're trying to do is
41:07
we take all of these points of propaganda
41:10
and we gather the scientific data and we
41:12
respond.
41:16
Yeah, it it actually begs the question what
41:18
is it that's driving this?
41:20
Like, I mean, I you can just say,
41:22
okay, it's a mistake, but I think at
41:24
some point people on the other side must
41:26
realize it's a mistake, but why do they
41:28
keep pushing it?
41:30
Like, are there vested interests that are benefiting
41:32
somehow from all this misinformation?
41:36
I think everyone has personal opinions on that.
41:39
Um, I personally think that when a government
41:42
can control energy, they control the economy, and
41:46
then they control everything.
41:50
Right.
41:50
And so there we have friendlier, we have
41:53
friendlier administrations, for example, uh as you can
41:56
see in the in the US where the
42:00
the Trump administration, the EPA is trying to
42:00
Administration, the EPA is trying to make sure
42:03
to make sure that this is both you
42:03
that this is both, you know, both sides
42:06
know, both sides of this narrative are heard.
42:06
of this narrative are heard.
42:10
We saw what happened, however, under the Biden
42:10
We saw what happened, however, under the Biden
42:13
administration, where a lot of regulations were put
42:13
administration, where a lot of regulations were put
42:15
in place that that regulations that were very
42:15
in place and that regulations that were very
42:18
devastating to Americans.
42:18
devastating to Americans.
42:22
Yeah, one really interesting thing.
42:22
Yeah, what one really interesting thing, John Clauser
42:23
John Clauser apparently, when he went to the
42:24
apparently, when he went to the White House
42:26
because he won a Nobel Prize, he's one
42:26
White House because he won a Nobel Prize,
42:27
of your your
42:28
he's one of your your main leaders.
42:31
Didn't you try to tell Joe Biden that
42:33
the climate scare was not founded on science?
42:36
And what what happened when he told Joe?
42:38
Did Joe say, oh, okay?
42:40
No, I I don't think that he really
42:41
got any response.
42:43
I think he just kind of, you know,
42:45
the you know, the story that I heard.
42:47
But but I thought that was very admirable
42:49
of Dr.
42:51
Clauser to say, you know, thank you.
42:54
And by the way, you're wrong in your
42:57
client in climate science, you know.
42:59
Yeah.
43:00
Yeah.
43:00
Cloudser also gave some very impressive presentations, I
43:03
believe, in Japan, uh, or in the Orient.
43:07
I can't remember exactly where.
43:08
It was uh South Korea.
43:10
South Korea, right?
43:11
Where he went to the mic to as
43:13
the Nobel Prize winner to actually talk about
43:15
his his award.
43:17
And he managed to integrate into his presentation
43:19
climate change, which I imagine that the organizers
43:22
were, uh oh.
43:25
No, it's so true.
43:26
Yeah, you know, he it as many of
43:28
these others that I was mentioning to you,
43:30
you they really want people to be thinking
43:32
through everything.
43:35
And you know, we never say and they
43:37
never say you should agree with me.
43:39
We simply say you should look at all
43:42
of the data and decide for yourself.
43:45
Yeah.
43:45
And if and that's our concern, of course,
43:48
with schools, because if teachers are only teaching
43:50
one side of the narrative, that is very
43:53
problematic.
43:56
Yeah, that's right.
43:56
They should tell them how to think, not
43:58
what to think.
43:59
I mean, like how you go about analyzing
44:01
circumstances.
44:03
You know, my my daughter, my physics master
44:05
of physics daughter, when she was in grade
44:07
12, we had a parent teacher night, and
44:09
I went and asked her biology teacher in
44:10
front of all the other parents.
44:13
Are you teaching both sides of the climate
44:14
issue?
44:15
And she was horrified.
44:17
Oh my God.
44:18
We would never talk about what the skeptics
44:20
are saying.
44:21
And you know, that brings up an interesting
44:22
point.
44:23
Going back to the scientific method, skepticism, according
44:25
to Tim Ball, who was our lead climate
44:28
expert for a long time.
44:30
He said that when people would say, You're
44:32
a climate skeptic, he would say, Thank you.
44:35
Exactly.
44:36
Because that's science, isn't it?
44:38
Absolutely.
44:39
Dr.
44:39
Haper says the same.
44:41
I have a podcast, the it called Climate
44:42
Debrief.
44:45
My first podcast episode was with Dr.
44:48
Hap, so that he could tell the uh
44:51
the story of the CO2 coalition, how how
44:54
it started, and talk about the science.
44:57
And I asked him, What how do you
45:00
feel about being called a skeptic?
45:03
And he said, I'm honored because that's exactly
45:06
what uh a scientist should do.
45:10
Yeah, that's right.
45:11
So tell us a little more about this
45:12
YouTube channel, climate debrief, because that's the last
45:14
thing I want to talk to you about
45:16
today, since it sounds like it's pretty fun
45:18
to watch.
45:20
Well, thank you.
45:20
Yeah, so we actually we have um we
45:24
also are on uh several podcasts.
45:27
Uh I Heart Radio, Amazon Music, Spotify, and
45:32
so thankfully we're we're getting some exposure.
45:38
And yeah, so we have um I don't
45:41
even know more than 10 episodes now.
45:44
I we started in uh December, and we
45:47
are the end of December, mid-December, and we
45:49
are weekly.
45:52
And so they appear on those podcasts that
45:55
I just mentioned on Wednesdays.
45:58
Um, but then we also have the YouTube
46:00
channel as well.
46:02
Yeah, we'll link to it under the podcast
46:04
when it goes up on Monday.
46:05
So, besides Dr.
46:06
Happer, what are some other topics you've talked
46:09
about on climate debrief YouTube channel?
46:12
So we have also had Dr.
46:14
Bruce Everett, who's one of our directors, and
46:17
he discussed with us a nature article that
46:21
where they were really trying a few professors
46:24
or were trying to state that uh how
46:27
you know how evil oil is.
46:31
And so basically their objective is to just
46:34
shut down all the oil companies.
46:38
You know, we they do not even understand
46:41
how this works, how the world works, if
46:43
we think that that is possible.
46:46
Having said that, that was a very good
46:49
interview with uh with the Dr.
46:51
Bruce Everett.
46:52
Yeah.
46:53
And well, otherwise you, you know, we'd be
46:55
left cold, hungry and freezing in the dark
46:56
and bankrupt.
46:58
I mean, it sounds like a really great
46:59
future.
47:00
I mean, it's interesting.
47:01
If the environmentalists and others want to be
47:03
concerned about possible sort of dystopian future, it
47:05
would be a future without fossil fuels, wouldn't
47:07
it?
47:09
Oh, absolutely.
47:11
That that is very well stated.
47:13
And yes, and so we've basically focus on
47:15
our members because they are just an incredible
47:18
wealth of information.
47:20
And we've had um I had a list
47:23
uh with me.
47:25
We have Dr.
47:26
Jou Devart, and he is a former Dutch
47:30
parliamentarian and geologist, but that episode was fascinating.
47:34
Graham Phipps, he and we had um Dick
47:38
Storm, who talked extensively about coal and how
47:42
necessary that is, especially with the the AI
47:46
uh data centers that are coming.
47:50
And again, that goes back to people don't
47:53
realize how necessary this is.
47:56
It is uh it would be humorous if
47:58
we had not put so many of these
48:01
Wendon solar regulations in place, but to think
48:03
that Wendon Solar could actually power a data
48:06
center.
48:09
And then, you know, it it's it's just
48:11
it would be it would be funny if
48:13
it weren't so serious.
48:15
Right.
48:15
I can just see getting into Google um
48:17
AI or co-pilot, and it would say to
48:20
me, it's not windy enough.
48:22
We can't answer your question.
48:24
You know, right.
48:26
Yeah, but you know, we we just have
48:28
a few minutes to go, and I wanted
48:30
to talk about the drivers of the climate
48:32
scare, because I think that's important to understand
48:34
if we're gonna fight and beat it.
48:36
Okay.
48:36
Um now, one of the factors is just
48:38
simply money.
48:40
I mean, there is huge amounts of money.
48:42
The climate policy initiative out of San Francisco,
48:44
they actually now calculate that about five billion
48:47
US dollars a day is being spent on
48:50
climate finance, and the biggest recipients of this
48:53
are wind and solar power companies.
48:56
So it it's a huge business, five billion
48:58
a day.
49:00
We're talking well over a trillion a year.
49:00
Talking well over a trillion a year.
49:02
Um, and so that's one driver.
49:02
Um, and so that's one driver.
49:04
What what other drivers do you think?
49:04
What what other drivers do you think?
49:06
Do you think they're philosophical drivers that are
49:06
Do you think they're philosophical drivers that are
49:07
maybe a bit anti human?
49:07
maybe a bit anti-human?
49:10
You know, I think so.
49:10
You know, I think so.
49:11
I mean, I think that it is like
49:11
I mean, I think that it is like
49:14
I said, it goes back to if you
49:14
I said, it goes back to if you
49:16
can control energy, then you can control the
49:16
can control energy, then you can control the
49:19
economy and and everything, and you can control
49:19
economy and and everything, and you can control
49:22
people.
49:22
people.
49:25
I can't say that that is an a
49:25
I can't say that that is an a
49:27
driver or an incentive, but that would be.
49:28
driver or an incentive, but that would be
49:30
it, you know, understanding history and understanding that
49:33
that governments are capable of such a thing,
49:36
then we shouldn't ignore that.
49:40
We should make sure that we're not allowing
49:42
policies to be put in place that could
49:44
devastate humanity.
49:47
If we don't have affordable reliable energy, our
49:50
lives look very different.
49:53
We we have a lot of response streaks
49:54
now, right?
49:55
Especially in in Canada, my God, whenever we
49:57
have blackouts in the winter, wow, it's it's
49:58
no fun.
50:00
You know, I have a kerosene kerosene heater
50:02
here, and uh happily I haven't had to
50:04
use it very often.
50:06
But one of the things that Alex Epstein
50:09
brings up is that we should be pushing
50:11
human flourishing instead of this restriction on you
50:14
know, really holding everything tight that we we
50:16
can't evolve quickly.
50:19
It and do you think there's a bit
50:21
of anti-humanism involved in some of this, you
50:22
know, push for climate control.
50:25
I think one of the interesting things to
50:28
note is that uh the people who believe
50:31
in a climate crisis narrative don't necessarily it's
50:34
just what they've been what they've been taught.
50:37
So now where we have a majority of
50:39
people who really do believe that there's a
50:42
climate crisis, that is because of media and
50:44
education.
50:46
But regarding like who's pushing that, you know,
50:49
that is you know, completely unknown, but we
50:52
could speculate when we look at when next
50:55
generation science standards and we know that who
50:58
was part of that national national science teaching
51:01
association.
51:04
It's also important to notice that a lot
51:07
of the academies, national academies of sciences, that
51:10
it's it's unbelievable to think that they're not
51:13
actually promoting real science.
51:16
But when it comes to climate, they are
51:19
promoting consensus, and that is problematic.
51:23
Why we don't really know.
51:26
Yeah, well, it's possible that this is just
51:28
a very big moneymaker for researchers.
51:30
In fact, Richard Lindzen was saying that you
51:33
know, you go back to 1990, the research
51:35
money available for climate was pretty minimal, but
51:38
now it's like a hundred times bigger.
51:40
So I mean, I think there's an incentive
51:43
among a lot of scientists to not stand
51:45
up the way Les Hatton did in this
51:48
uh the study that looked at the Ice
51:50
Core and showed that 32 centuries of the
51:53
past 200 actually had equal warming to our
51:55
past century or greater, you know.
51:58
So I think the average scientist who relies
52:00
on funding from different national science councils or
52:02
whatever, they're reluctant to say that sort of
52:04
thing.
52:06
So I think that's a money driver as
52:08
well.
52:09
But but I wanted to expand on one
52:10
point you made, and that is the business
52:12
of government control.
52:14
If you have energy sources like wind and
52:17
solar that need government support and subsidies so
52:19
as to even be remotely competitive, that really
52:22
means the government controls our energy ecos ecosystem,
52:25
doesn't it?
52:28
Well, absolutely, and I think that we could
52:31
agree that policies have been more dangerous to
52:34
humanity than any climate crisis could be.
52:37
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
52:38
Really good point.
52:39
You know, I think also a lot of
52:41
people regard the um the climate scare as
52:43
as a control mechanism, as a control mechanism
52:46
for people.
52:48
And and I do think there's a certain
52:50
degree of anti-humanism in there, but uh, but
52:52
I think you know, most people who support
52:54
the climate scare are not trying to destroy
52:56
the the human population.
52:58
I think they just simply don't know.
53:00
I think ignorance is probably the biggest factor,
53:01
wouldn't you say?
53:03
Oh, absolutely.
53:05
Absolutely.
53:05
And that's why we we exist to educate,
53:09
and that's why we work on these education
53:12
products and materials, and we're also starting a
53:15
scholarship program so that we can actually encourage
53:18
you know, schools, universities, not just the university
53:21
level, but even high school and elementary schools
53:25
to if they are willing to open the
53:28
discussion, if they are willing to teach the
53:31
scientific method, then we have a lot of
53:34
donors that are very interested in making sure
53:37
that sound science exists in the world.
53:41
Oh, is that right?
53:42
Oh, is that right?
53:43
So this scholarship program, the students apply for
53:45
it, or how does it work if they
53:47
want to get a scholarship to go to
53:48
university or whatever?
53:50
How do they get it?
53:52
Well, interestingly, we are hoping to deal directly
53:55
with schools, and so that the schools would
53:59
utilize that, that it would be a relationship
54:02
that they are willing to promote sound science,
54:06
promote the scientific method and a and all
54:09
sides of the climate narrative.
54:13
Yeah, so that students can think about these
54:15
things for themselves.
54:17
Yeah, that's great.
54:18
So, what are your next projects?
54:20
I guess you have so many on tap,
54:22
it's it's hard to list them, but what
54:24
would be your top list of uh next
54:26
projects for CO2 coalition?
54:28
Well, and this would probably take so long
54:31
to get into, but one of the big
54:33
things that we're doing right now is uh
54:36
the EPA, the EPA repealed the endangerment finding.
54:39
There were several organizations that have sued them.
54:44
And so the CO2 coalition has intervened on
54:47
on behalf of the EPA to provide the
54:49
science to to show that CO2 is beneficial,
54:52
and that is our a really huge project
54:55
for us right now, and we're really looking
54:58
forward, and that is something that could even
55:01
go to the Supreme Court.
55:04
We're very hopeful that we'll have the opportunity
55:07
to share our scientific evidence that CO2 is
55:10
not a pollutant, and that and that the
55:13
EPA never had a uh a right to
55:16
call it such.
55:19
Yeah, exactly.
55:20
So, how can people donate to the CO2
55:22
coalition?
55:23
Because you rely on donations, you're not funded
55:25
by the federal government, are you?
55:27
No, I know not at all.
55:29
Uh and no, yes, uh at our website,
55:32
CO2coalition.org, there is a donate button in the
55:35
upper right-hand corner.
55:38
And okay, so and one of the things
55:40
I always like to mention is that we
55:42
are a small organization, but we are doing
55:44
big things.
55:46
And we have a lot of programs and
55:49
projects, and we're very thankful for that.
55:53
Yeah, for sure.
55:54
So people should go to the CO2coalition.org, click
55:55
on the donate button, and you're a what
55:57
is it?
56:00
I don't know what they call it in
56:00
I don't know what they call it in
56:01
the US, a nonprofit 501.
56:01
the US, a nonprofit 501.
56:03
How what's the actual name?
56:03
How what's the actual name?
56:05
Yes, we are a 501c3.
56:05
Yes, we are a 501c3.
56:07
And so donations are in the in the
56:07
And so donations are in the in the
56:09
states are tax deductible.
56:09
states are tax deductible.
56:12
But we have a lot of, you know,
56:12
But we have a lot of, you know,
56:14
we have a lot of people very interested
56:14
we have a lot of people very interested
56:16
in promoting this narrative.
56:16
in promoting this narrative.
56:18
We actually do a lot of work and
56:18
We actually do a lot of work and
56:20
have a lot of international members as well.
56:20
have a lot of international members as well.
56:22
Yeah, for sure.
56:22
Yeah, for sure.
56:23
So our interview today has been with Angela
56:23
So our interview today has been with Angela
56:25
Wheeler.
56:25
Wheeler.
56:26
She's the new executive director of the CO2
56:26
She's the new executive director of the CO2
56:27
Coalition.
56:28
coalition, and wow.
56:29
And wow, talk about a group that gives
56:31
positive news for the future.
56:33
You know, I think that's one of the
56:34
real things I love about your group.
56:36
Your your website is beautiful.
56:38
I mean, it's really fun to scroll around
56:40
and and to have a look and read
56:41
these things and watch your videos.
56:43
So Angela, thanks so much for being our
56:44
guest today.
56:46
Thank you so much.
56:47
I've been honored to be your guest.
56:48
Thank you.
56:50
Okay, thank you.
56:51
So this is Tom Harrison, my guest Angela
56:53
Wheeler of the CO2 Coalition, signing out from
56:56
the other side of the story.