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High Alpha Hooligans One Year Later | Yak and Eagle Review | DCS World · High Alpha Hooligans Podcast

• FiFi: Well, we're, yeah, get his foot rest. Well, we're one year in and one of us already has back problems and foot problems. So we're aging, It is. Yeah. Faux show. SCUD-Muffin: You back now, Jimmy. Jimmy: That's better. That's good. SCUD-Muffin: It's a year. We've been doing the podcast for a year. Jimmy: Bro. This shit's aged me beyond one year. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, right. It's just the podcast, right? You were young and spry before the podcast and now Jimmy: was a heavy lift. It's wildly inaccurate. FiFi: I don't like the colors of this. SCUD-Muffin: Well, welcome back hooligans to our our anniversary episode. It's been one year since we started the podcast, since we were begging and giving shit away to try to get 50 subscribers. And now we're I don't know what 24000 something like that. It's been it's been a hell of a fun ride so far. Yeah. First off. FiFi: I don't know, I'm not even keeping track anymore. Jimmy: Give or take a grand. FiFi: Give or take a grand. Jimmy: Plus you slash minus. SCUD-Muffin: To everyone that's watching and listening, we've been able to do this for a year because you guys keep watching us talk about the video game. So thank you. Because of you guys watching, we get to sit in front of our computers and somehow legitimize the fact that we play this game way too goddamn much. FiFi: True. I still don't know how this is all like. Jimmy: too much, I was on the second FiFi: still surviving. We should do 10 minutes of ads. Jimmy: to come to fruition. SCUD-Muffin: 10 minutes just right off the bat, just commercials. We will though, we will though start off by thanking our sponsor, Fox three managed solutions, Eagle dynamics, our partner Eagle dynamics, Hepler. ⁓ Jimmy: Nah FiFi: And big shout out to Nine Line because he's been doing a lot of heavy lifting for us lately. And maybe in the post show we'll talk about that. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, yes. ⁓ Also, we're affiliated, as we've mentioned in the past, with Thrustmaster, Moza, and Pymac. So if you are looking for hardware from those guys, we've got links. Use the links. FiFi: And soon to come, we'll talk about it more in the post show. Wind control. Wind wing, wind control. Jimmy: Same same. Same same. New name, new neighbors. New year, new me. You know, we went on a diet, you know. We bonds around some terror. FiFi: There's there's. SCUD-Muffin: Woo. Win-win ⁓ I'll also FiFi: Yeah. Dude, I need to go on a diet. I'm actually legitimately worried if I'm going to fit in the airplane seats. Anyways, let's go. SCUD-Muffin: I'll also throw out ⁓ the flights of expo is a month and a half away. So we'll be there. You guys should be there. Come to flights of Mexico. Hang out with us and walk around and see all the cool flights. Him shit. ⁓ Jimmy will be handing out hugs. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. I'll be handing out hugs. FiFi: Mmm, who's a Jimmy Huck? Jimmy: Not not not like embraces. I'll be walking around with them bodega hugs. You know, you got to bite through this fight through the foil FiFi: It's like the sideways hug while you're still eating something kind of thing. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ my God. Yeah. Jimmy: I mean both are probably equally as valuable so FiFi: Yeah. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ Well, this episode, we're talking about modules. What else are we going to talk Jimmy: ⁓ actually, no, stop, stop, stop, stop. We talked about Fox three ⁓ last episode, we talked about the new Discord tool. It's freaking awesome. We added three that we Fox three added three new functions so you can start the server on pause. You can list your missions that you have loaded to the server. And there was one more thing. I forget what it was. So it's ever evolving. So Fox three is. It was and it was my idea to because I wrote back, I was like, SCUD-Muffin: That third thing was so cool, he forgot it. FiFi: It is. Jimmy: We need these server. He's like done. Also the new web tool. You now can do everything in one place on the internet for controlling it and in conjunction with the discord bot. Box 313, a huge metamorphosis over the last 45 days, completely different user interface. So, you know. Yeah, we went from we went from creepy crawly to beautiful butterfly. FiFi: Metamorphosis Metamorphosis ⁓ there it is. I'm so glad you got the reference. Jimmy: I just wanted to holler out, know, Fox three, ⁓ you know, Lux been doing a lot of work on his product and it's definitely showing. So you guys see the back end with like the discord tool. So. FiFi: Yeah, and there's a whole, and there's even a whole new Discord server channel that I have to sit in now that I've muted because I'm like not, totally not messing with the server stuff. But I'm just like watching you and like Monty and all the guys do it. SCUD-Muffin: Good shit. I'll admit to I am I I don't know what's going on with all this new stuff. Jimmy gets super excited and we're like hot potato. Jimmy, you understand this because like I somebody asked me the other day like how to reset something on the server, our server and I was like, I don't know how to do it. FiFi: Yeah, that's. Jimmy: There's like four of us. FiFi: Yeah, yeah, like no shit. No, like no shit. I'm just like everybody knows always like if you how do I do this? I'm like, dude I am just like the business money guy like that is a Jimmy question or then the people are like hey What about this video? I'm like, that's a sked question It's really nice. I just sidestep Jimmy: We all have like our own little like lanes and we like our lanes too. Like it's our strengths. We like what we do and somehow we make one fully responsible individual. FiFi: Yeah SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, yeah, the three of us are like dogs in a trench coat and we fool you into thinking we know we we together are one dog in a trench coat that knows what the fuck's going on Jimmy: very loosely responsible. FiFi: Just... Just... Yeah. One... One biscuit, please. Jimmy: Alright, my bad. I started a little rampage, but I had to give a little shout out to Vox3 with the new tools. SCUD-Muffin: Hahaha! FiFi: Yeah, for sure. So let's talk about this. I want to leave this in there because you guys are probably doing most of talking in this. So you guys, is an episode that we've been wanting to do for a long time. And you guys are like, we're just going to finally do it. And then, so this is about the Yak-52 and the Christian Eagle. Because leading into that, and I have joined a flying circus, basically. SCUD-Muffin: Valid. Valid. Jimmy: Hmm, lead me to water, daddy. FiFi: ⁓ And we're doing like the air show circuit now in the Herc. I'm sure you guys have seen that video and we'll talk more about that ⁓ later as well. ⁓ But then Scott all of a sudden like some weird monster awoke in him and then he really enjoys creating these videos, these cinematic videos for airplanes. And then he's like, ⁓ my God, let's do that. So then the brother video happened. Jimmy: awesome video. R- remind me to tell you about what moves I've said about it. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, I'll- FiFi: Yeah, so I'll let you guys get into that for sure, but this is about the Yak-52 and the Christian Eagle. So two of the most underrated and forgotten about aircraft in DCS. And we did the flying for you guys, so that way you guys know exactly what to expect out of them and what you could do with them and we'll get into it. So I'm just gonna hand the floor over to them now. That's the only word you're ever gonna hear out of me this entire episode probably. So. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. SCUD-Muffin: Yes, thank you. That's a good. That's a good setup. I'm going to say right off the bat. Go buy these airplanes. Wait till they're on sale and on sale. They're both cheap. I think both airplanes together was like 35 40 bucks for both of them on sale. Yeah. FiFi: the ⁓ Jimmy: Even- Not on self, Yeah. Yep. I started so I started thinking I was like, man, these are worth it on sale. And then like, so this is funny. This is kind of leads into the thought I have. So we were looking at the views. And my wife says, she's like, man, you guys should just make more of these videos. I casting you guys really good at this. And like, you're getting a lot of views. And I was like, Do you remember how many nights we were filming like night after night after night for like five hours, the time to collect all this and it's four minutes and 30 seconds. She's like, ⁓ maybe you guys should keep with the stupid podcast. FiFi: Yeah, something like that. You SCUD-Muffin: No, Hi, Alpha Studios is going to start trying to get into making production videos of DCS content. And yeah. Jimmy: Hahaha! dabble. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmy: But like I saying, sorry, so I started by thinking, so I flew like the first couple nights, and was like, man, these are worth it on sale, because we started flying them. I trialed them like three, four months ago, so I couldn't trial them again. And I have to fly them, because we were doing the episode about them. So I went and bought them both. And in my head, was like, man, these are worth it on sale. And then after three, four days, Like I looked at the regular price and I was like, these are beyond worth even a regular price. Like the amount of stuff that you can do in this and like the amount that it changes DCS and the different things you can do in these aircraft is monumental and what it lends itself to like terrains and maps because we're going to get into it. It is a completely different environment than when you're slinging Hellfires or DB use. or JDAMs, you know, or you're in the merge, know, like, completely different. SCUD-Muffin: get where you're going with this, but I'm going to challenge you on it. When Jimmy says the amount of things you can do with these planes, what that equates to in real life is all of the shit you can do in all the other modules, you can't do in these. And so you just fly these. It's not like it's not like when all the things you can do, you can do seed and you can do cap and you could do. No, all the things you can do in these planes like go upside down and take off and land and like so I get where he's going with it. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. FiFi: You Jimmy: You can... You can enjoy. SCUD-Muffin: There's a lot you can do in them, but it is not compared to the regular DCS. is it is many levels down on what you can do. But to add on to what he's saying, it's fun to jump into DCS and just fly a plane for the sake of flying it without having to worry about ordinance and countermeasures and the radar and dropping bombs and shooting missiles. And it's just it's just they're both extremely simple and they're both really, really fun to fly. Jimmy: It's different. systems, buttons, switches. SCUD-Muffin: And it's nice for a cheap price to be able to jump in the game and just be like, you know what? I'm just going to go fly around. I'm going to go do aerobatics in an aerobatic airplane. And I'm going to. Jimmy: even just exploring maps. Like the amount of stuff we saw in Germany that I never saw before, like blew my mind. SCUD-Muffin: you don't fly helos in Germany. FiFi: What? mean, I see where you guys come from, because I mean... Jimmy: I fly Chinooks, but I'm always getting shot at by shit. I mean, like, I can't look at stuff while I'm dodging like SA-8s and stuff, you know, so. FiFi: And that's why you do this. And I, I a hundred percent think that the aerobatics community in DCS is a hundred percent slept on. And after you guys, after you guys have done that kind of stuff and then like flying around and seeing the cool stuff and then the experience that we've had with the, with the, with the VBAC, with the virtual Belgian aerobatics component, not vaginal birth, after C-sus, C-serian section. There's a, there's a whole nother discussion that we've had about that. That's hilarious. But anyways. Jimmy: Yeah. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ absolutely. Jimmy: I am in the wrong room. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, welcome to the new podcast. No, ⁓ and I want to temper that too. The video you saw and we'll show a portion of that here. Like when when he's like, ⁓ you guys seeing you guys do aerobatics, dude, the only thing we did in that video that was even remotely aerobatics was the knife edge pass where we went across like that. Everything else was us. Jimmy: is. FiFi: And. Jimmy: That was awesome. SCUD-Muffin: trying our damnedest to not look like complete idiots. ⁓ But it looks like we know we're doing formation aerobatics. Jimmy: We only practiced one thing. FiFi: Canaver thing. Jimmy: And what's wild is we only practiced like one thing. And that was the timed pass across the monument. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, the knife edge pass. No, the knife edge pass. We practiced. We did that like on Marianas. Jimmy: ⁓ I wouldn't say we practice it. We had to do it twice to get it lower, you know, because somebody couldn't get a low the first time. SCUD-Muffin: No, but the day before we did it, we did it like six times on Marianas. Anyways, I don't want to get too deep in the video. Like, we'll talk about the video in the post show show. And that was what somebody in the Patreon asked about. By the way, join the Patreon. Ask us what you want us to talk about in the post show show. Somebody asked to talk about the origins and the ideas of the video. And so that's what we're going to do. Jimmy: No, didn't. Oh, yeah, but that wasn't in Germany. We didn't marry on it. That one didn't count. And that was on a runway that went like this. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD-Muffin: Your own little personalized show. I really like both the airplanes. I like the Yak 52 better than the Christian Eagle and Jimmy seems to like the Christian Eagle better than the Yak. Jimmy: if I had to pick, but I like them both. Like, they're two very, different machines. we'll, let's talk about one, talk about the other, and then let's compare and contrast. SCUD-Muffin: Let's talk about it. FiFi: Yeah, let's talk about it. SCUD-Muffin: Oh, do you want to do you want to since we're talking aerobatics, it's probably a good time to throw the video at least one of the video clips up. you, do you want to us to show some of the Yak 52 Christian Eagle video? Do you want us to want me to throw up the the Herc video since you were just talking about it? Jimmy: Yeah. those who haven't seen it. FiFi: The LAYAK video is like extremely popular and the HURK video was pretty popular too. mean whichever one you guys want to do it. Let's talk about the LAYAK. Let's do the LAYAK and the Christian ego stuff because that's what we're talking about right now. How about that? Jimmy: Ech ech ech ech. SCUD-Muffin: I'm going to show just a part of it for anyone who hasn't seen the video because maybe you have, maybe you haven't, but I also just want to watch it again because it's awesome. Jimmy: Apparently you live under a rock. FiFi: Yeah, that's a pretty popular video. But meanwhile, while Scott pulls that video up. Yeah, we're not going to watch the whole thing through. But there's some really cool stuff in here with the video. And ⁓ it's just gorgeous. mean, it was just really well done. And then doing it to wins a change. I remember when we sent when we sent the first cut of it over to like Newy and Nine Line. And then they're like, ⁓ dang it, we're going to have to like these guys now. SCUD-Muffin: This is not the whole video. not gonna... Jimmy: Hmm SCUD-Muffin: The first cut. FiFi: So... ⁓ SCUD-Muffin: This is just the beginning. So if you haven't seen it and if you're listening and you're not watching, if you listen to the podcast, then I'm not going to apologize because you get to listen to the beginning of a badass song. so consider this a minute long intermission where you just listen to an awesome rock song. How about that? FiFi: Okay, sorry. Jimmy: Close your eyes, think of airplanes and Cold War Germany. FiFi: Yeah. I remember someone said that it would be really cool if you made the tractor tip up like in cars when they tractor tipping. SCUD-Muffin: Hahaha Jimmy: Dude, these intro shots were beautiful. SCUD-Muffin: So to put some context to what we're talking about, the Yak-52. That plane is so much fun. FiFi: Hey Scott, how come your cow flaps weren't open? SCUD-Muffin: Now come what? FiFi: Your cow, did you fly with a cow flap shut the entire time? SCUD-Muffin: Half the time, yeah. I forgot. Jimmy: I don't think we ever flew in for more than like five minutes. ⁓ dude, I like this shot right here. FiFi: Yeah. I think one of the funniest things about the Yak was the fact that the wheels look down even when they're up. SCUD-Muffin: What's the wheel? Yeah, the wheels are down even though when they're up. So that's that's a little sneak preview of the video that we already have up. ⁓ And we'll talk like said, we'll talk more about the video in the post show show. But there's the yak and the Christian Eagle. ⁓ Let's talk about the planes. Let's get into them. So which one you want to hit first, Jimmy? Jimmy: The wheels are always down. FiFi: Yeah. Go watch it. Jimmy: Let's go Yak. I flew the Yak first. You like the Yak? Easy to talk about. Yak was the first one. You missed the Yak on the first night. ⁓ my gosh. Quick backstory. SCUD-Muffin: I never. That was going to say I've never I've never thought about getting the yak. It just it's like it like probably most people you scroll through it. You're like, nah, nah. And then and then you guys post ⁓ all these screenshots of like four or five of you flying it and how much fun you had. And I'm like, well, now I've got to go buy it. and then that the whole I'm going to say this to the whole idea of the video. Like I'll get more to it later. But the the initial like spark of like I want to make a video was because I missed you guys. Jimmy: Dude, it's good. FiFi: Yeah. That was pretty funny. Jimmy: What was it like? SCUD-Muffin: that you're like Yak flight night. I was like, well, I want to do that, too. And maybe it'd be cool to get some footage of it. ⁓ Jimmy: You were working! FiFi: Yeah, that was pretty wild. Like you guys like really partied it up with all the acts like everybody showed up in the acts. Jimmy: Yeah, at the apex of the evening we had six. It was a ton of fun. I think I just said I went... FiFi: Yeah, everybody was like screaming about how good it was. Jimmy: Yak yak yak. SCUD-Muffin: Yak yak yak yakity yak. FiFi: So big Russian old radial engine. It's like they're, it's like, I mean it's, could almost say it's like their version of the T28. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. SCUD-Muffin: It's very Russian, it's very Soviet. Jimmy: So Soviet Union USSR. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, except and this is the way it is with most of these Russian planes, right? Most of the modules we get from from the Soviet Union. It's like the the Soviet's T-28 Trojan, except it first flew in 1976. Like. Yeah, it flew like. 15 years after we started flying the T-38 and we had the T-37, so it's it's very antiquated. FiFi: You know what's... SCUD-Muffin: considering it's a late 70s airplane. It's a trainer. It's built to be a trainer. It can be used as a trainer in DCS. It does have two seats. There is a little bit of like weird desync ish stuff that happens if you multi crew it. And some of it, some of it is is legit, like the, you, switch who's pilot piloting and the throttle moves to idle. There's a few things like that that are Jimmy: tickets in. We got tickets in. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmy: The throttle. SCUD-Muffin: unusual, but there's also things that are because the airplanes modeled correctly. Like the the gear and the flaps, you have to set them a certain at a certain position in one seat for them to work in the other. And and so like if if the guy in the back puts the gear up and then doesn't put the gear lever in the right position or or vice versa, then the guy in the front can't move the landing gear. And that's not a Jimmy: It's a feature. SCUD-Muffin: That's not because the game has desync or multi crew issues. It's because it's the way it was designed. ⁓ Speaking of design, this was originally what do we find out? This was originally a ⁓ professional project. Jimmy: professional, it was a professional module. FiFi: Yeah. So yeah, was originally as like professionally licensed module and stuff like that. So it's as accurate as accurate can get in that sense. Jimmy: Professional license? that the words? Yep. SCUD-Muffin: Mm. Jimmy: One, two, one. SCUD-Muffin: And what we mean by that professionally licensed module is that that somebody out there, a company, a team of pilots, a military that flies these somebody paid to have this module built so that they could use it to professionally trained pilots. I guess that kind of fell through at some point. And what we're what we're left with, fortunately, is a very bad ass flight model of a really cool trainer. ⁓ Jimmy: Yeah. Skud, what is your opinion of the flight model? FiFi: Mm-hmm. SCUD-Muffin: I have never flown a Yak, considering the size and type of plane it is with a big square wing, it feels exactly like I imagine it should. FiFi: Yeah. You know, we do have one person in the discord in the community that has flown the Yak-52. Did I take that from you? I'm sorry. Jimmy: Oh, I know. And dog, dude, it's funny dog jumps in and he's like, let me let me remember the starting sequence. And we're like, bro, dog, yeah, dog has hours in a Yak 52. Oh, yeah, we got to. We need them to multi crew. SCUD-Muffin: Beaver. Dog. You say dogs flown it. ⁓ I said, beep beaver has. FiFi: What? That's new. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, Beaver trained in them. ⁓ So there's some stark contrasts we'll talk about when it comes to these two planes. But the Yak is, it is aerobatic capable. It's extremely stable for formation. But it's a big heavy airplane, right? It's got a big 300 horsepower, nine cylinder radial, which means it sounds awesome. ⁓ It's got decent power. FiFi: ⁓ my god, that's cool. Jimmy: You Huge. Yep. Huge. Nine cylinders. SCUD-Muffin: for the size of plane it is, but it's not a rocket ship, but it's capable of doing aerobatics. It's not snappy. It's not a, it's not the Christian Eagle, like hardcore to death, know, death metal music, aerobatic air show stuff. ⁓ but, but it is capable of doing every aerobatic maneuver that is in, I don't remember what the book is called, but there's like a, the book of like all the approved aerobatic maneuvers that the aerobatic competitions use. It is capable of performing every maneuver that's in that book. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD-Muffin: So it is a very capable aerobatic airplane, ⁓ but it's a big, heavy aerobatic airplane that's kind of cumbersome and lumbers around. It is super simple inside the cockpit. The model, both inside and outside, I think are fantastic. The systems modeling is great, ⁓ but it's very simple. It does have the really sketchy Russian ADI that's backwards. FiFi: You ⁓ SCUD-Muffin: And so if you fly it, you go in the weather, good luck. And then to make it even more sketchy, I was flying it. Jimmy: ⁓ the f- The whole cockpit. Whole cockpit's Russian. SCUD-Muffin: It is. is. Even when you pick English on like, I want my cockpit to be English. It's like, okay, some of the labels might be in English, but the rest of the gauges are still in Russian. Jimmy: One word changes. FiFi: you Jimmy: dude, like the first time I flew I'm sitting there and I'm changing like prop pitch I'm changing RPM and I'm like adjusting my altitude I'm like what gauge does what because everything's changing SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, I was flying it just because I enjoyed it so much that like, like I just jump it and fly it. So I was just I just jumped in and I was just flying it around at dusk over. I don't remember what map I was on and Fifi's watching Fifi's watching and the sun is setting behind me. There was even a point I was live streaming. There was even a point where I like turned to get the sun at my back. So it lights the instrument panel up, ⁓ but it's still getting darker and darker. And I am searching the cockpit for a light switch. I'm like, FiFi: ⁓ yeah. SCUD-Muffin: There is where in the hell are the interior lights and Fifi jumps on Google and looks it up. There are no interior lights. So not only does it have this sketchy ADI, but God forbid you if you fly it tonight and the idea, I guess from what he read is you got a flashlight, right? So yeah, you're like, you're have to pull the flashlight up in DCS and read the gauges at night at the flashlight. Super basic, super, super sketchy unless it's a nice clear day. Jimmy: click. FiFi: the SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ But damn, damn fun. Let's, let's. Jimmy: dude and so damn fun but also it can pull seven G's so that's ballpark almost what a hornet does incredible it ⁓ SCUD-Muffin: for about that fast and then it's out of energy. FiFi: Yeah, then it rolls over on you. Jimmy: ⁓ instantly. It does have a absolutely huge wing with big wingspans. It's 30 feet, six inches. So that that is wide. Its wingspan exceeds the entire length by six feet. ⁓ What else it does weigh? It is ⁓ very much so. Dude, when you're trying to fly formation on that thing, the wing is like so much closer to you, like trying to suck in on a tail like your normal like visual reference. FiFi: What's one of those? It's a flight rectangle. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ yeah. FiFi: you Jimmy: You have to like reference off the wingtip, not like the where the pilot or like anything else is because the wing is so big and wide. What was the other interesting thing that I saw? ⁓ Seven G service ceiling six thirty two thousand horsepower is big. ⁓ This is one thing I want to come back to when we talk about with the eagle. So the weight weight is over two tons or it's like two and a half tons. And then energy or horsepower is FiFi: ⁓ the SCUD-Muffin: Good. 32,000 in that. FiFi: Who's gonna take that thing to 32,000 feet? Jimmy: 300 and 600, which is going to be very noticeable when we talk Eagle later. Just remember those numbers. We'll come back to it. ⁓ The notes that I have over here that I kind of jotted down, it's basically a Soviet tank, but it's still somehow nimble as hell. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, it did trick my brain. It took me a little while to be able to land this thing. Take off in it. No problem. It's easy to take off. It's easy to fly. But I was struggling. I'm like nice speed coming in on final and every single time I was like, ⁓ shit flair slam into the ground every time. And my brain finally clicked. I'm like, ⁓ it's because it's this old ass cable controlled airplane with a radial engine. So my brain is going into warbird mode. Jimmy: Mm. FiFi: ⁓ yeah, this was fun. Jimmy: Easy peasy. SCUD-Muffin: And I'm trying to flare out to land like in a three point attitude in a warbird and not land it like it's on these long skinny tricycle gear legs. And so just the feeling of the big radial engine in the cowl, I kept it kept switching my brain up and I kept bringing it in like a warbird and just slamming it. And it was like, you know, just it's just it's pride. Yeah, like, it's it's a super easy, simple trainer that anyone can fly. Watch God crash land this five times in a row. Jimmy: Nope, you gotta. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmy: I the same thing. I my tail off a couple times. You gotta land like it's a like Cessna 154. Just drive it in. FiFi: the Yeah SCUD-Muffin: A 154. Jimmy: 145 172 208. FiFi: to Jimmy's. SCUD-Muffin: Okay, out of the three things you said, one of them is a real airplane. FiFi: Jimmy's heavily medicated Jimmy: I am extremely heavily medicated. I did messages guys like three hours ago. was like, Hey, and the season wore off, woke up. SCUD-Muffin: Yes. FiFi: Yeah, Jimmy's heavily medicated right now. SCUD-Muffin: Jimmy, what did you like and not like about it? Jimmy: One thing I did not like which is modeled absolutely correct. You can overspeed the flaps super easily Which you know, I did nearly every single time because you overspeed the flaps at like 86 knots They get stuck down It gets stuck down. Yeah, so I was doing I was doing a touching goes I'm just getting a feeling for landing like what it is what it feels like at near stall So I'd touchdown hit power go to go around and I thought at first it was like the SCUD-Muffin: What happens? I didn't even, I've never overspent them. So do they get soaking? FiFi: You get sucked down or they start rubbing. Jimmy: the LA seven to where you have to like, you know, neutral something to, you know, function it. And then after like two, three times, shark goes like, no, dude, you overspent it like every time, you know, max speed for flaps is like 86 knots. And I was like, Oh, I'm doing like 160. SCUD-Muffin: As real as the engine is supposedly modeled, I will throw out there. I don't know that it's modeled perfectly well because like Fifi called me out when we showed the video. This guy totally forgot to open the cow flaps like every damn time. So the front is just this silver wall instead of the the because the cow flaps on it are really cool. And so that meant like most of the time we're flying around. I've got that engine cow flap. FiFi: I SCUD-Muffin: system closed and it is probably cooking the engine and I never noticed temperatures. So I'll throw that shade at it that that it's not going to punish you or or just old Russian radio. So it's like. Jimmy: Okay. Or it's just...ermally efficient. FiFi: Yeah, maybe maybe it's still still inium it's made of still inium Jimmy: Yeah. ⁓ so it so the SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, you know, just throw sand in the intake and it just runs better. Jimmy: Yeah, but we do know that it is it is functional to a measure because we were playing with it, you know, side by side, open closing on the cow flaps. And when you close all your cow flaps, you do gain speed. But we do know that, you know, your cow positions does have some effect on arrow arrow, the airflow across the flight control surfaces. Not like, you know, rocket ship afterburner, but you know, you do pick up like one or two knots. FiFi: you Jimmy: ⁓ Because it's funny like shark was like, or somebody's like, I can't catch you. I was like, close your cow flaps. He's like, ⁓ shit, I got one not. ⁓ my gosh, good. How about so one thing we're not used to with these aircraft, the one so another thing that I don't like, I think Scott, you would also echo this is both the yak and the Christian Eagle are not very fast airplanes. They're small, they're heavy. And they don't have our weight ratio that we're used to. So When you go from like 160 knots to like 150 knots, that's a pretty big change compared to what we're used to when we're flying like Mach 1, 1, you know, down the Mach. You know, it's so you know, it's good. We'd be like, Hey, give me a little power and I'd, you know, crack 10 knots and he'd be like, Oh, and then I'd be trying to catch him like, Hey, it's good, you know, give me a little power and I'm like, Oh, so that that's that's a learning curve. FiFi: Thank SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, yeah, I think I think that that has to do with the dissimilarity in the airplanes, though, Yes. Yeah. Slowing down, cracking the power in a hornet or a viper is is a lot. You know, you can crack the throttle a half inch and it's not going to bleed off speed as much as these things because there's just not as much power. So the power band is narrow. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. Pointy nose. Pointy nose fast jet. SCUD-Muffin: But we also flying dissimilar formation found that the aircraft weight and power made a difference too. You said they're both heavy, but the Christian Eagle's not nearly as heavy. Not the way. like every time we were descending Jimmy, if Jimmy was following me, he's like, dude, I cannot keep up with you. I'm like, I'm in idle. I'm in idle. And I'm just tearing away from him because I've got two tons of airplane going downhill. But conversely, when we were going uphill, I could not catch Jimmy. Jimmy: Half the weight, half the weight. Exactly, half the weight. All gone. And he's like, I'd... Yep. And I'm firewalled. SCUD-Muffin: And he's like, he's like, I'm an idol and I'm like, I'm full power and I can't catch you. So it was a lot of dissimilar, ⁓ aircraft weight, making it hard to fly. Jimmy: Idol. Yeah. So the the power though the power differences it was something that we noticed on the ac night too because it was something that we that we noticed like when he had the five and six jacks up like when you the ratio when you go from like 100 knots down to 90 that's a 10 % you know throttle change you know as compared to going from like 550 knots down to 540 you know so bigger bigger ratio of change so that's FiFi: So. So overall, back on topic, overall, I'm just gonna try to drive here. Jimmy: Yes, locked in. Lock it in. SCUD-Muffin: If you just you just trial this plane and flew it with this, you wouldn't be so bored right now. FiFi: You know what though? I'm just enjoying hearing you guys talk about it. Listen, I've got so many aircraft that I, and I'm just, I, and I've been busy and honestly I've been doing other stuff too. But anyways, um, so, so overall though the Yak 52 thumbs up, thumbs down when you guys is like, give me zero out of 10 rating. Jimmy: LOSER! SCUD-Muffin: Free trial. Free trial. Jimmy: I got so many free aircraft in my hangar. The maintenance, you guys wouldn't understand it. The maintenance hours. Two thumbs up. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ easy. Jimmy: 10 9.5 9.5 SCUD-Muffin: Eight. And I love it, but eight for what it is. There are a few things that are probably need to be freshened up on it. FiFi: Eight. Yeah, that's fair. Jimmy: So engine management, will give this guy the entire time we were flying it never cooked an engine. So and I, I feel like because it is piston, it is radio, like I feel like I need to baby it. ⁓ It is 30 years newer than our warbirds. So there might be some technology. SCUD-Muffin: No, it was built 30 years after the war birds, but it's not it's it is 1930s tech in that engine. It is a very old design. That's not just the engine design, too. I wonder I wonder what the engine is. I'm not. I'm going to look it up. I'm surprised to do what what the differences between the engine in this and the engine in the L.A. seven. If there's much difference in the way they were built, I was going to say to the pneumatic system is terribly similar. We talked about the L.A. seven recently. ⁓ FiFi: It's. So in so. Jimmy: I know. I don't know. I feel like any... yeah. ⁓ FiFi: if it's probably the same engine. Jimmy: Our difference is huge. Our difference is huge. SCUD-Muffin: But the the pneumatic system, again, built in 1976, and it's off running off a L.A. 7 1940s pneumatic system for starting the airplane. And and actually, this is a really. It's really weird when engines start pneumatically, but this is one of them as well, the brakes are pneumatic, the gears pneumatic, the flaps are pneumatic. FiFi: So you're eight out of 10 for the Yak. Is that on the Dave Portnoy like pizza rating scale? Because it eats pretty good on the Dave Portnoy. Yeah, that's like travel. That's like travel two to three hours to go. Yeah, the math, one bite, everybody knows the rules. So. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, yeah, I would say it's equivalent to that. Jimmy: The mouth feel, the mouth feel is pretty good, you SCUD-Muffin: So so I would say if you like the warbird style flying and you like the big radial engine and you like that kind of an airplane and playing that's got some weight to it, but it's aerobatic capable. If you want to go learn aerobatics like the right way, this is an extremely good plane to start in. If you want to learn ⁓ how to fly just the basics of flying, you can do that in almost any airplane. But if you have somebody who's never flown a flight sim in their life and you want them to learn how to fly perfect plane for it, like you would put somebody in Microsoft flight sim and put them in a Cessna 154 like Jimmy says, and you'd be like, all right, we're going to start with the basics and you're going to learn what up down left right is. This is the DCS version of like, let's crawl before we walk. If you've never flown a plane, this is a good way to start learning how airplanes behave. And it's a really good way to get into and probably start learning how to do appropriate, correct aerobatic maneuvers. FiFi: He's not gonna let you live that down. Jimmy: Nah, it's a 151. Come on, dude. SCUD-Muffin: then you graduate from this to the Christian Eagle when it comes to aerobatics. FiFi: And on top of that, it's just fun to fly. You can go around and see all the cool places you could go see and enjoy when you're not ripping around with the air on fire. Jimmy: That's where you find drugs. Yeah, 100%. I was gonna say like, the yak itself is like the perfect bridge. Like if you are a digital aviator and you like Microsoft flights in but Microsoft flights in is not study level. Yeah, yes, you can flip switches. Yes, you can control systems, but not to the same level that you can in DCS. But you don't want to do like combat style stuff. And you just want to see what DCS is. While feeling kind of Familiar to what you're used to in Microsoft flight sim the yak is what will give you that experience in DCS for study level while being comfortable and familiar to what you're used to in Microsoft flight simulator and Something you can't do in Microsoft flight simulator You can have your buddy in a backseat talk you through how to start how to take off how to fly You know how to manage your engine like this thing the yak has a very special place in DCS FiFi: Hmm. Jimmy: And like Fifi just said, yes, you can fly around maps pretty damn slow and look at detail that you're not going to see while you're dodging, you know, essay everything that's trying to fry you or up at, you know, 40,000 feet, you know, slinging JDAMs. SCUD-Muffin: One more point before we move on to the Christian Eagle, I will say this to we did ⁓ for Warbird Wednesday while back we did the the totally inappropriately named Thunderdome and I'm to throw I'm going to throw you under the bus on that one here as well. Jimmy built this really bad ass Warbird mission. You can you can take any Warbirds in the game that you that you have and fly. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmy: was awesome. FiFi: He's he's still raving about this Jimmy: It's awesome. SCUD-Muffin: And it's just wave upon wave of progressively more difficult airplanes for you to fight against. And it starts with historical facts, especially there's a great historical fact about the Mustang. If you fly his mission and listen up. But the first wave of airplanes that you fight against is a wave of Yak 52s. And I'm like, ⁓ Yak 52s are well in World War Two fighters. This is going to be easy cake. That plane is hard to shoot down because it's only going like. Jimmy: With historical facts. Perfect. FiFi: Never gonna forgive you for that. Jimmy: think so. SCUD-Muffin: 80 knots. And so like none of us, we all struggle to shoot the axe down because we could not stay slow enough to stay behind him and get shots on him. I'll just throw that out. You can defend against another fighter. Just go really, really slow. FiFi: you Jimmy: It would just stand up and pull. It's AOA was all of the AOA and we're stalling out behind this thing. Like, and everyone's just like, it's the naming the naming convention. FiFi: Thank ⁓ that's funny. SCUD-Muffin: I throw shade at you. I throw shade at you just to clarify for the viewers because because there is one rule and only one rule about Thunderdome. Two men enter one man leaves and Jimmy's like, yeah, but in this one like 20 men can enter and all of them could leave and I'm like, then it's not Thunderdome. Damn it. FiFi: So ⁓ Jimmy: Well, red doesn't leave. SCUD-Muffin: And Master Blaster runs Barter Town. All right, let's move on to the Christian Eagle. Jimmy: We should stream Jimmy's Thunderdome sometime. Dude, that was fun. Dude, that was a ton of fun. FiFi: Yeah, and ⁓ speaking of which, where can people find the Thunderdome and all those cool missions? Jimmy: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls strap in for the secret treasure hunt to find Jimmy's Warbird Thunderdome. It's in our Patreon. ⁓ FiFi: Yeah, I was gonna say I regret asking that. So onwards to the Pitts, I mean the Christian Eagle because I have always thought it was a Pitts. It was a Pitts airplane, but it's a Christian Eagle. Jimmy: Dude, dude, Christian Eagle is awesome. SCUD-Muffin: It is awesome. And it's also it is not a pits. It is it is it looks like a pits a little bit. But it is it is a it is a a home built kit plane that first flew in 1977. So both these planes are right around the same the same time 76 and 77. It is a this one is also dual seat. FiFi: It's a crackhead. I'm telling you, I kept getting confused. Jimmy: It is so good. There's a steep learning curve. 7776. I like where we're going. It's a four banger. SCUD-Muffin: So and you can multi crew it, which is awesome. But now we're talking it's not a trainer. Like the Yak is a trainer that you can do aerobatics in. The Christian Eagle two is an aerobatic airplane, like almost a competition level, at least compared to the Yak. Jimmy: This is the Yak-52. He found an extra- FiFi: And the cockpit and the canopy and the canopy likes to fly off of it too. I love watching everybody. Yeah, I love watching everybody. SCUD-Muffin: Hold on, go ahead, Vee Vee. Jimmy: if you don't lock it. SCUD-Muffin: If you don't lock it, yeah. Ask me how I know. Well, you click the little thing and it closes around you you're like, OK, I'm good to go. And you totally miss this giant handle that says lock canopy. Jimmy: I think we all- While we are we are also 100 % for multi crewing it and ejecting the canopy too. So the the the unlock canopy has a huge button to click. FiFi: Hehehehehe So let's talk about why people should check out the Christian evil in DCS and like what, it's very niche, it's a very niche thing, right? Jimmy: ⁓ So it is exactly nearly half the weight of the Yak and nearly half the power. It is nearly half the wingspan and less than half the length. More lift, more AOA, more of everything. This is the Yak if you found an extra wing or like SCUD-Muffin: It's extremely niche. Jimmy: ⁓ Fortnite parachute jumping down Yak 52 ripping a long line of freaking crack cocaine getting like 100 more like degrees of AOA and just spinning all day like that's that's the Christian Eagle. The Christian Eagle is crazy. The Christian Eagle is the first plane I have ever seen in DCS that the first night we flew it was myself, Scud and Luck. Love you, Luck. All three of us are in this thing flying and we're like, ⁓ man, SCUD-Muffin: You Jimmy: this thing like when we filmed brothers I literally film the entire thing fingertip like this maybe five degrees at a time it was age challenge because this is aerobatics this thing you can go like it flies and same thing like like you can go from level flight to like 190 like in probably less than a second this thing is aerobatic it is fun you can whip this thing around it you can FiFi: You SCUD-Muffin: Nine nine plus G capable positive nine negative six. And I don't you can whip some names. I'm not an aerobatic pilot. I mean, I flew in jets to an aerobatic, but I'm not like this kind of aerobatic pilot. But but one of the things that buddies of mine that fly aerobatics and competition aerobatics and aerosho aerobatics can do that. This is the only plane I've seen in DCS that can do it is is the the ups the inverted loop. FiFi: Ha Jimmy: You can whip some nae naes. FiFi: ⁓ my god. Jimmy: you SCUD-Muffin: And you can roll this thing upside down and then do a loop by pushing down instead of pulling up. And because it's got negative six G capable. Jimmy: Dude, you can do that. You can corkscrew through loops. Like, it is insane. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, it's also got on the left wing, it's got the little crosshair that you can use to assess your pitch angle and turns around a point. Super fun. FiFi: ⁓ yeah, that was really cool. That was really cool to see. But yeah. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. So my point, my point that this is the first airplane that's ever done something out of everything and I've flown everything in DCS a lot. This is the first airplane that myself, Scud and Luck all touched on the first night and within the first three minutes all of us crashed it. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ dude, we all and then hold on. What did you say right after all three of us had crashed it? What did you say to look? I remember exactly what you said to luck. You're like, this is a great play. This is a great plane for people to learn in. And I was like, dude, all three of us have eaten shit in this plane three or four times already. This is a horrible plane to learn in. There's like fireballs all around Anderson Air Force Base. There's like seven or eight fireballs. He's like, it's a great first plane. FiFi: You Jimmy: I don't remember but you're like I said I said something. Here, no, you're like, you're like, FiFi: the ⁓ Jimmy: No, Scott, you're like, are you fucking serious? Bro, we know how to fly these things and we've all ate shit like four times. This is a terrible trainer. Dude, Hanger one and three were gone. FiFi: Oh my god, so So what's the appeal? So what's the appeal of the Christian Eagle in DCS like I mean obviously like We I I think we tried to reach out to mag 3 to ask why they made it because I don't think we have any story about why they made it Which should be interesting to hear like why it was made but I But I mean it's cool Jimmy: Crack cocaine AOA. SCUD-Muffin: I'd be very curious to know what. FiFi: It's definitely cool and it's gonna segue into another part of this conversation as we roll into it. And I think it's a really fun, cool plane to fly if you just wanna do ridiculous shit without... Yeah, you know what? Like I said, I've been busy. Like, yeah. Jimmy: If you had a trial... SCUD-Muffin: You ask what the appeal is, right? To me, the appeal is again in DCS. you're you're your hearts in DCS and you're not going over and flying Microsoft Flight Sim and other general aviation Sims and you want to just get away from the combat and fly, the appeal is the ability to do. Yeah, to do hardcore, hardcore aerobatics, go learn aerobatics in the act. And once you start understanding the aerobatic maneuvers, this is the plane you go and do. Jimmy: It's fun. FiFi: You just want to you just want to go whip all the nae naes. SCUD-Muffin: like hardcore aggressive aerobatics in. And I was going to throw out as well. Both of these planes are a million times more fun when you fly with other people in them. So you could get together with people in the acts and put together a team where you were all flying in formation together and hone like aerobatic formation skills. Or you could get in the Christian Eagle to and go do aerobatics with another pilot and Jimmy: Listen to Scott Scott. SCUD-Muffin: They're both multi crew. So if you want to learn aerobatics and you want to learn flying with a real true multi career plane, that's the appeal. It's to get to put some other type of aside just from Fox three Fox two Fox three Fox two guns like like to go do something else. Jimmy: Mm-hmm or pylon racing dude. We had six of them in a line going through pylon racing That was fantastic like Yeah, super hard No SCUD-Muffin: And it's hard. You're like, ⁓ this plane turned sharp. I can handle this. Now this plane, it's so aggressive in its roll rate and its response that you're like, I'm going to go around this pile on and I'm going to turn really fast. And by the time you even think about what you've done, you've overturned to pull too hard, stalled the plane and you're a hole in the ground. So it takes some practice to be able to to perform. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmy: in the FiFi: Hehehehehe Jimmy: It is it is fun. It is a lot of fun. Like it is. But the yak is a great trainer. I think the yak its biggest strength that has in DCS is it's that non addicting drug that is totally non habit forming that you'll never want again. You know, try DCS, you know. And then like what you know, is there anything better? Like, I know I don't have a habit. I don't have a problem. Do you have anything better? You know, the Christian Eagle. FiFi: You SCUD-Muffin: You Jimmy: The Christian Eagle totally not habit forming, you know, it's not addictive. You know, they stack on top of each other because they're both aerobatic. They're both multi crew and Scud and I, flew multi crew in Christian Eagle and we were just taking turns just doing wild shit in the Christian Eagle. Like it was fun. I was having trouble to FiFi: Thank SCUD-Muffin: It's the first time, the first time I've had to turn off the motion rig since I got it because it's so aggressive and I have the, I have the, the Christian Eagle turned way down on the motion rig because it's so aggressive in its performance that the motion rig like hurts, but even having it turned down when you're not the one flying and Jimmy starts doing these crazy maneuvers, I was getting the shit kicked out of me in the motion rig. I'm like, I got to turn this thing off. FiFi: the Jimmy: ⁓ that's what I was gonna say. FiFi: I would have paid to see that. Jimmy: ⁓ Well, when he when he first started flying and we were multi crew, he would do something and we were doing this and he's like, God damn it, fucking motion. Like, he's like trying to balance like moving the motion right. FiFi: ⁓ that's funny. ⁓ SCUD-Muffin: horrible PIO. Yeah, it was fun. I want to... ⁓ go ahead. Go ahead. Jimmy: So so my point my point is to my point about how extreme the Christian Eagle is today I had to have a little rubber catheters with needles threaded through my body inserted into my spinal canal put you know, all types of pain medicines, steroids, all kinds of shit in there, just from the simulation that the butt kicker put into me from the Christian Eagle. FiFi: Thank You SCUD-Muffin: It's it's from the virtual g-forces You ever pulled? Pretend nine G's it of Chris Eagle to gotta get back surgery Jimmy: Yeah! pretend not plus g's, have negatives pretend sixes. FiFi: ⁓ So with that with SCUD-Muffin: That's good, though. The negative G stretch your spine out. That's good. I want to throw out something else about the Christian Eagle, too, in all of my my dumb shit, because I'm like trying like I'm trying to like come out of a loop at like three feet off the ground and pork, you know, pork in it away. And and and so two times one. One time on the bottom by wing and one time on the top and the top one was I was trying to do a loop around a chinook that I saw. Jimmy: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, I more minute more per 10 negative sixes. ⁓ my God, you can reef on that stick so hard. SCUD-Muffin: But it responds so fast. We were like, and I should probably start my loop now. And like, I'm thinking I'll go around the chinook. Like it, it pulls so hard that I'm like, I should start my loop now. And I went right in, like I smashed right into it, but both one time hitting the ground and one time hitting the chinook. I broke off like the outer quarter or third of a wing. So the damage model is fantastic because you can lose part of the top or bottom wing. And then those metal braces between the wings are all. FiFi: The cables will flap around. Yep. SCUD-Muffin: bent. The wires are all cables are all bent and mangled. I'm like, ⁓ shit, those. That's pretty cool. ⁓ So the damage bottles. Great. Jimmy: Flap it into wind. Yep. ⁓ actually. So the the only thing we've been talking about is the shenanigans we did. How's the 3d models? FiFi: man. SCUD-Muffin: I think, well, I think both of them are great. FiFi: They look incredible. Really incredible. Jimmy: Exterior I think the exterior view of the Christian Eagle with the smoke on like when you're watching like a replay track is like cinematic like it's something that it's it is so different than everything that we're used to seeing that it's like refreshing it's fun like every time I watch us through the knife edge cross and then the ⁓ monument cross with the loop out like I get goosebumps like even just thinking about it like goosebumps like it is so different. ⁓ SCUD-Muffin: You So I will say that I wish that the Christian Eagle had a better sound modeling, but I don't think that it's bad. think I'm so used to powerful jets or big radial engines or Mustangs or Spitfires that when you jump into a little four cylinder general aviation airplane, I don't think it's badly modeled. It's so quiet. Jimmy: Play model. Mm. It's a... No, it's a super small engine. ⁓ It's a kit plane. SCUD-Muffin: And so like unimpressive because it's, it's a little tiny engine. Jimmy: You're going from American John Deere down to Honda 19 horsepower push lawn mower. FiFi: Thank SCUD-Muffin: It's a I0360, but it's still, it's not a lot of engine for, compared to what is in DCS, so it sounds very numb. Jimmy: Yeah, I know. Mm-mm. FiFi: ⁓ So let's get into driving, I'm steering again a little bit here. So let's get into how it came about us flying these things. And I think it's, I think a contributing factor is now like the places where you can fly this stuff is DCS has a whole nother side to it that we have just recently been open, had our eyes open to. Okay, yeah, you go stretch Jimmy. Yeah, Jimmy's a. Jimmy: You guys talk about that I'm gonna go scratch. FiFi: Jimmy's got some, yeah, see, yeah, or fall out of helicopters, like one or the other. One or the other. ⁓ Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, problem is, is who is gonna be in charge of the DCSVA? SCUD-Muffin: See what happens when you fly aerobatics in DCS. One of the other. Let's be honest. The real back injury ⁓ is from how he positioned himself to ship in that MRE bag from way back in the day. FiFi: Claim denied. Yeah, there's a whole other side of DCS, right? it's the aerobatic side and it's the air show side and the virtual air shows and you like you see it shared around a lot and stuff like that. And it's still a fairly, I'm not gonna say a small community, but it's a very tight knit community ⁓ where everybody kind of knows everybody, but they're always welcoming everybody in. Like, Scott and I joined SCUD-Muffin: You were saying there's a whole other side to DCS. FiFi: ended up getting ⁓ able to weasel our way in to an air show team. ⁓ Because, I mean, it started off because they just needed a photo ship. And they're like, hey, you guys want to fly the Hercules? as we had a photo ship, like, can we do an air show routine too? And then they're like, well, why not? SCUD-Muffin: Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to correct this slightly just for the record. So let the record show we did not join an aerobatics team and we did not ask to do it. Air show demonstration. Fifi, because he loves the Hurk immediately volunteered to fly a chase ship for the aerobatics team. And then Fifi asked if he could do an aerobatics routine in the C 130. And then he realized like this is a lot. FiFi: Okay. Thank SCUD-Muffin: And I was like, that looks fun. So then I asked him, like, do you need a, like a switch flipper? Do you like a gear handle flipper and a flap mover? And so I joined, I joined just because I wanted to be in the Herc while they did aerobatics and started flipping switches. And then, then we realized, yeah, it takes, it takes a team to like manage the Herc doing this. FiFi: the Jimmy: Liberty Dipper. FiFi: Yeah, and doing some wild stuff. And so what's cool is, is this aerobatics community go out and they create liveries and they have like their own mods and all sorts of crazy stuff that they do to emulate ⁓ what the actual like real world counterparts are. And actually ⁓ for a lot of the teams, they're actually in touch with the actual real world counterparts. So like with the virtual Belgian Air Force aerobatics component that we're with. The dark Falcon pilot, actually the actual Belgian air force demo pilot is actually not following the team on Instagram and was like shooting messages and messaging back and forth. I don't know if you've got a chance to see those messages and the over there in the team discord, but yeah. And so like they're helping them out and cheering them on. And it's like, it's like a whole thing. And then, and then people are putting together routines and emulating routines and studying routines. And then. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah. FiFi: doing the exact routine or coming up with new ones. And these airplanes are like perfect for doing that kind of stuff. And it's a lot of fun. If you guys have not tried to put together your own aerobatic routine, try it and see how hard it is. And so you can appreciate it and definitely start looking at like the virtual air show stuff. ⁓ And like we said, we're doing a Herc routine now. I mean, we're throwing that thing in a fricking loop. SCUD-Muffin: these. FiFi: because that's something that the Lockheed Martin guys actually did with the L100 J models and also we do like a whole tack demo with it. There's a video up on the YouTube for like our little announcement trailer for it. is fun. Yeah, it's good. It's good. Pulls it up. But there's a place to fly these aircraft and it's and it's in yet. Go ahead and pull it up. It's gonna I'm just talking while you pull it up. Yeah, but there's a whole there's a whole. SCUD-Muffin: We'll show a 30 second clip just part of it here in a minute. But go ahead. Sorry, I was going to add on. Well, I was just gonna add on to what you were saying ⁓ before I pull it up. FiFi: air show component, aerobatics component, where these planes can be flown. So before anybody goes, well, if they don't have any guns and they can't drop any bombs, you're absolutely wrong. There is a hundred percent of place for these planes to be flown. And you just kind of got to find them out. There's a whole server. Yeah. Yeah. And so. Jimmy: there's there's there's active there's whole servers that are dedicated just to aerobatics and weapons are prohibited yeah oh actually dude i was watching last week it was not indy navy indy navy and i were it was padding was indy navy and i would i saw him in the chat or he saw me i was like yo what's up dude and we had like bromance going on and um yeah who i was watching he's sitting in the cockpit and and SCUD-Muffin: I know we've. FiFi: You guys go way back. Thank So exciting! Jimmy: 18 went like 30 degrees like nose back canopy towards the ground like three feet off the ground just going back the whole length of a taxiway freaking insane. SCUD-Muffin: I saw that. Yeah. FiFi: Yeah, that video. And then, then clips. SCUD-Muffin: don't know that that can actually happen in the ornith, but... Jimmy: I have no idea how that happened, but I was impressed. SCUD-Muffin: But what I was going to add on here is like it, Fifi kind of hit on it. First off, we talked to Sharco in a past episode about the the virtual aerobatics teams and what it takes to be in that and what they put together. And we also talked to Kiro, who hosts one of the virtual air festivals. So there's a couple of episodes where we've hit on this. But as we've dug deeper and started to get more involved in this, the the The folks that are emulating real routines are doing it as precise as possible. They're trying to emulate every last bit of what this real Viper demo does for X Nation. And they're really good at it. When we watched the ⁓ Kiro's virtual air festival that was live on YouTube, there were some extremely impressive, precisely flown demonstrations. There was one, a black shark that FiFi: Yeah. Jimmy: talented. SCUD-Muffin: took off in a hover, got to a certain altitude and then did a back flip like three times and stopped it in a hover right over the ground. Like the amount of skill that pilots put into and practice to be able to pull off these maneuvers the same way, the same time, every time. Exactly right. It's incredibly impressive. It's a huge labor of love. ⁓ yeah. So go watch these and go put the time into looking at the stuff. And then if you're like, this seems really interesting. FiFi: and the amount of studying. SCUD-Muffin: This is where these airplanes really come into play is to get started on learning how to do these maneuvers. Go ahead, Phoebe. FiFi: And then, yeah, and then, then like, you think you know an airplane flying it in like some sort of combat situation? But I learned a lot more about the Huracan and maneuvering it properly and putting together this routine with Scott, because, and you know, it took, it took a lot of knowledge that I didn't have that Scott obviously had from, you know, teaching some basic aerobatics and stuff like that from your, from your IP days. and stuff like that. like, and I'm like, no, no, it's not. have to do it because we have to enter and then, know, halfway up or over the top, have to, you know, there's a speed and altitude gates that you have to hit and things like that. And then we had to dig even farther into the systems to figure out how to, how to turn off a lot of the safeties and the nannies in the C-130 that keeps you from doing those things. And for us to be able to do those things and stuff like that. in SCUD-Muffin: Well, and then we we talk about the guys that emulate real shows, but the C 130 demo for the virtual Belgian Air Force, there isn't one. So we were told come up with a demo, like figure out a demo. So we're like we're trying to figure out what would look cool and what can we do? And then we we put together the demo and we fly a couple of times and then we're like, OK, cool. Now that we kind of have an idea, we're way too far away from the airfield and we're not able to stay close like the fighter. So now we're trying to figure out how to tighten every maneuver up. and string them together. it was a lot of work just to figure out how to put together the demo. And then Fifi's talking about, we have to hit the gates to do each of these maneuvers precise and correct and repeatable. And we get it. We finally got the loop. We got the loop down consistently. We got the loop down consistently and we've lowered the altitude until we're a couple hundred feet off the ground. And then I think we told this maybe before, but the first time we're like, we finally got it. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD-Muffin: Everyone come jump in the server and watch us do a loop. And then we don't hit the gates. We enter about 150 feet low and then the pole was wrong. Go into the loop and we came out of the bottom of that loop and pancake that C 130 into the ground. The first time we asked people to come watch us live like we got it now. You guys can all you guys can come watch now. And then we just did. Yeah. Watch me ride my bike with no hands right into the garage door. Boom. FiFi: You So embarrassing. Jimmy: Dad, dad, dad, come see what I can do. FiFi: So embarrassing. you Jimmy: I got a text from Fifi, he's like, bro, fuck me. SCUD-Muffin: So speaking of the loop, there's there's a whole video like a hype video. There will be a longer demo video when the time hits. But but I do have just the loop cut aside for ⁓ for us if you want to see that. Jimmy: You FiFi: Yeah, pull that up. And we could talk about figuring out. I'm not gonna give away our trade secret, now we managed to that off. ⁓ SCUD-Muffin: Not yet. All right, here's a loop. FiFi: But it's absolutely terrifying. Yeah, the aileron roll. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ there's a roll first. FiFi: That's full deflection, by the way, doing that role. then full reflection, but the loop. But so. SCUD-Muffin: A lot of these maneuvers are full deflection. Jimmy: Did you say a full protection? I don't wear any. Dude, that's that library is so awesome. ⁓ FiFi: It's so cool. It's somebody made it. And this was like an actual Belgian, you know. So with the loop, so right about here at this point, like in any other jet, you want to. Yeah, but in any other jet, when when you do that loop, you're looking up through the canopy and you're like, I can see the ground, I can see how far around you are. But no, not in the Hercules. Jimmy: We will refer you to go and watch the video to see more. SCUD-Muffin: can see the runway so I can stay aligned with it. Jimmy: In the C-130 you're getting hit by crew bags, helmets, manuals, a cooler, fucking microwave doors flying open, crew hatch lock hits you in head. FiFi: And then the Hercules also doesn't have avionics. Dude. And then on top of that, you don't realize, and then you don't think about little things like how the Hercules doesn't have avionics decided to go upside down. So all the avionics basically shut off, and you don't get any sort of thing. So now you have to create. Jimmy: It's doing the little I don't know emoji. FiFi: Yeah, you have to start creating. You have to like create things. SCUD-Muffin: They do like, like if you, if you've ran a pod, like, like when the pod targeting pod and DCS gimbals, like when you fly over the target, the targeting pod, like spins and loses track for a second. That's what you're, you're like avionics are doing. They just kind of have like a one or two seconds seizure and then. Jimmy: Yeah. FiFi: Yeah. Jimmy: It gimbals. FiFi: So like, so like you're you're like, you're in the poll. Jimmy: You know, he feels like it gimbled and sounds like we don't gotta gamble. FiFi: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's where the pool is. Scott's called out speeds, speeds and gates. And I'm just like, I'm in the pool and he's like, he's like, what are you gonna do? And I'm like, I don't know. Let me try looking out the window. And I look out the window and then I start to roll the airplane. And then like, he's like, what are you doing? So like, it's all sorts of crazy stuff, but it's a lot of fun. Definitely. SCUD-Muffin: It helps having VR. I know you use like an eye tracker, head tracker, but. Fifi, because the windows are not designed to do these precise aerobatics. There's a lot of a lot of the maneuvers where I am like in VR, pressing my head against the window and like looking out the eyebrow window above us. And I'm like halfway through the turn, ease up the pull, pull harder. FiFi: Mm-hmm. into a new... Jimmy: Yeah. FiFi: Pauline. Yeah. Yeah, like I it's it's definitely like a lot of really cool teamwork that comes into it. So definitely go check it out. Go not I wouldn't say in the Herc or I wouldn't say in any but in any plane that you choose, go check, go find a demo team, the virtual Blue Angels. Those guys are awesome. ⁓ I think they even do demo rights for like some people if you're like lucky enough to like get really cool with them, they'll They'll take you along to do a backseat ride while they do that kind of stuff. ⁓ SCUD-Muffin: I will say that the virtual blue angels now I know that the real blue angels have a modified stick weight to allow them to fly inverted and keep control of the airplane. So it's 45 pounds of nose down. There is a mod that the virtual blue angels use that emulates that in DCS. So it makes their inverted flight. Feel natural because when you're inverted, you have to push forward on the stick to maintain level flight. And then when you're because you're pushing forward now. FiFi: Yeah, 45 pounds for. Yep. SCUD-Muffin: Left and right is backwards. If you like your natural tendency to move the airplane to the left would be to roll left. Well, that moves you to the right, but they have this thing that emulates it. So that that's kind of I wouldn't call it a cheat. They're just emulating the real airplane. But I have seen online some of the virtual blue angel pilots doing taking gas off the tanker inverted. FiFi: That's cool. That's cool. So, but that's what these planes are for. So yeah, that's what these planes are for. Just, just. Jimmy: We got wait, we got some practicing to do. SCUD-Muffin: I have practiced and tried really hard because I wanted to just surprise you guys with it on a mission. No, not happening. Jimmy: My brain don't work inverted. Doesn't that try it a lot this this past week? I don't go inverted for longer than half second. FiFi: Just wait. Just wait till we... just wait till we just wait till we hopefully just wait till we hopefully get the the MC 130 we can refill off of and then we'll we'll we'll do two hornets on the MC while in a loop. SCUD-Muffin: We won't. We won't be able to do that because Fifi will go. He will do the one thing he has said he always wants to do, which is just constantly yell return pre-contact over and over again and never let us take gas. Everyone's going to be so excited to take off an actual pilot flown airplane and Fifi is not going to let anybody. He's going to be the soup Nazi from Seinfeld when it comes to the fuel. No gas for you. Jimmy: Best you're getting it is a knife edge, bro. ⁓ yeah. FiFi: You're my pain. Jimmy: and FiFi: ⁓ that's for you. Jimmy: The best the best part of this good is we'll have shark going the back ramp will be down. It'll be photo ship will be refueling you and I will be left wing right wing. We will both have nine X's on our wing tips and we will fire that fucker straight up the back of that open freaking ramp straight to the flight deck. Nine X right up the booty. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, that's what's going to be. Phoebe is going to be saying return pre-contact that after a few times of saying that after a few times of saying that we're going to hear we're going to hear a buddy spike as we lock him up on the radar. FiFi: The heat source it locks onto is my hot pocket that I left in the microwave for too long. ⁓ man. overall, moving on. Jimmy: ⁓ we didn't even say buddy spike. That's going bore off the rail straight up the ramp. Exactly. Now we actually have to do that. SCUD-Muffin: All right. ⁓ overall. Jimmy: Moving back. SCUD-Muffin: Well, I just say wrapping up the discussion on these on these two birds. ⁓ We talked about why they're good and bad. I think for the price, if you want to fly something that's not combat and just have fun flying, ⁓ they're fantastic. FiFi: Yeah. Clack clack. Wrap it up. Jimmy: Yep. If I think on sale, I think you're certainly not to pick them up on sale. Regular price, I would still buy them. ⁓ I have fun with them, especially if you have a group to fly them with. If you don't have a group, remember you hit yourself. Come join us fly with us. But yeah, I think especially sale price sale price is silly not to jump on face first. ⁓ At least trial them because it is a completely different part of DCS that I think is left on. SCUD-Muffin: I'd like to move on from the main topic. ⁓ One thing we didn't mention, but I think it's worth just a small mention, was ⁓ the SFL, their first live competition for 10K. And we watched that live. Hopefully some of you guys did as well. They've got more competitions coming up. That was just the first test run. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. Yes. That was fun. FiFi: Hooligan Nation showed up and showed out on that one. Jimmy: Your boys, your boys were active in that chat. SCUD-Muffin: We ⁓ blew the chat up. it Justin Waters? Is that his name? Justin Waters from ESPN. He was one of the live commentators and he referenced us a lot because we were blowing the chat up. FiFi: Yeah, yeah, he's... welters. Jimmy: Yeah yeah yeah, Walters. Walters. Walters, Walters. FiFi: He also, especially with all the jokes. ⁓ my God, Jimmy, got, yeah. So, yeah. And ⁓ he actually did mention that he actually did mention that he wants to come onto the podcast at some point in time. So yeah, he did. Yeah. He mentioned he wants to come onto the podcast at some point in time. So. Jimmy: We shacked the shit out of that thing. Dude, the F-22 joke. He did. SCUD-Muffin: That would be dope to have him on the podcast. I would be badass. ⁓ He did comment. He did. So we've been there, right? We haven't been there as deep as these guys were, but we've been there where you're going to like, we're going to put on a live competition and then technical difficulties hit. Like literally the moment you go live is when everything crashes. These guys had ⁓ a monster technical gift. They kept saying like, we'll be back in 10 minutes. And that was like an hour ago. Jimmy: Dude. Yeah. FiFi: the Jimmy: Dude. FiFi: every time. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ And so they finally pop in like the commentators, just the pop city. He's like, we will be back. We're just working on it, but we'll read some comments. And ⁓ he read one of mine that said ⁓ the paint dried 10 minutes ago or said, yeah, the paint dried, the paint dried an hour ago. I said, paint dry 10 minutes ago. And then biggies comment free. He said that the mana, the lawn I mode this morning is now a jungle. Jimmy: feel bad for him. FiFi: Thank Jimmy: Dude, Biggie. FiFi: I mean you have to Jimmy: ⁓ SCUD-Muffin: So they were having at least a sense of humor about it. ⁓ And then we had the legend of Ahab, right? We had one of our guys who flies on our servers. Jimmy: ⁓ my gosh, yes. ⁓ my gosh. You saw he changed his call sign in the hooligans? He did. ⁓ yeah. FiFi: He had to. He had to, yeah. SCUD-Muffin: We showed up to support him and with so much so many people and so much effort that the commentators started calling it the legend of Ahab. FiFi: And now the next one's gonna be called the Revenge of Ahab. So, yeah. I don't know, it'll be fun. Maybe you'll see one of us. Maybe you'll see one of us in the competition. So. Jimmy: Hahaha! SCUD-Muffin: the revenge. And then the third one will be Ahab strikes back. Jimmy: OOOH SCUD-Muffin: I had toyed with the idea of like, thought, yeah, you know, it'd be fun to put in and try to compete, but I just don't have the time. And then after watching it, I'm like, ⁓ God, I should have done that. It looks so much fun. FiFi: I was messing with it. Jimmy: Ava, he and I already talked, we're already training together. SCUD-Muffin: sick and vibro. Jimmy: We should make that a four-peat. FiFi: I would say though, I would say though, it would be cool if one of us wins that we take that 10 grand and donate it to charity. Jimmy: Yo, St. Jude's. on our link. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah. FiFi: Yeah, or something. Jimmy: Live on the hood. Actually, yo pack right now. All three of us center if one of us wins, we donate the entire thing. St. Jude's live on stream. SCUD-Muffin: Live! All right. For the Patreon, I want to I want to call out. I think they've all been mentioned before, but just in case we missed any, ⁓ DeFox, Vader, GP Motor, Jinxy, who's been flying a lot with this, Keys, who's been flying a lot with us and Beef Supreme, who is like on every live stream I've ever done. Jimmy: Call them boys out. them boys out. Love them. Love them. Love them. Love them. Love Love them. them. them. FiFi: Beef. Beef. Jimmy: Beef. Yo, beef. Beef is the beard master. That dude's got some freaking weave on his face. FiFi: Yeah, he brings he brings the beef. SCUD-Muffin: Hahaha Join the Patreon if you join at a certain level, get your you get a call out on the show. If you get your name in the credits at the end, which I'll be sending to Fifi here in a moment, ⁓ you get special access to the pro show show where you can talk to us and let us know what you want to hear. You get you get early access to certain videos. You get access to all of the mission files that we create, that we fly. ⁓ You get some swag. So. Jimmy: Ooh, a duo's. I owe swag to one person right now. It's international. I have it sitting up on my counter. I just have not made it to the post office because I have to get the international postage. I apologize. Giant dirtbag. FiFi: ⁓ that's fun. SCUD-Muffin: So hit up the Patreon. It also helps us out. There's a couple levels that and it is not a lot of money. It starts at three dollars. The highest levels at fifteen. If you've got a few bucks to throw at us, you know, you know, I should do the whole like, you know, for the price of a cup of coffee, one cup of coffee, you can help high off of hooligans, you know, put their show together. Jimmy: Yeah. It keeps the lights on. It keeps the lights on. We have. Yeah. FiFi: You gotta break it down to the ridiculous. For the price of for the price of one Reese's cup per day, you could donate. can help keep the keep lights on. Yeah, it doesn't really go into our pockets at all. Like I haven't even cashed any of it out yet. I just we're still paying everything out of our pocket. Jimmy: Yeah, it keeps the lights on. It keeps like, not at all. Not at all. Fox three servers alone, and we're sponsored by Fox three. ⁓ And part of it's sponsored, but like, we do have $400 worth of Fox three servers that we sit on, you know, and have that you know, we pay for. And then you know, you Yep. SCUD-Muffin: Not at all. So it helps us run the servers. It helps us come up. It just helps us. Jimmy: It covers Charco's salary. Every month. It covers my salary, BP salary, Scud salary. We don't get paid. FiFi: We don't pay them. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ We have, we have wags coming back on. We have heard from him that that that interview is going to get pushed a little bit later. He's got other stuff that is that is going to happen before that. So but but we have confirmed with him. He is still coming back on the show. He just told us that yesterday that he's going to push that back ⁓ just a little bit to clear up some stuff on his plate. Jimmy: Hmm. Yep. Going on. FiFi: busy. Jimmy: And it's for good things. Trust me, if you're a DCS player, oh, mind blown. SCUD-Muffin: So jump in the Patreon. We are going to field questions for WAGs from you guys, but we're going to take the questions from the Patreon members first. So that's another ⁓ benefit you get is you get to interact with WAGs directly through us and ask him the questions you want to know. FiFi: And yeah, we also we also have been played around with the idea of maybe doing a live a live Patreon with wags. I'm not sure how I'm going to figure that one out, but I know I know I know. Well, he mentioned it. He mentioned he mentioned it to to me. that he that we've messed around with the idea, but we got to figure out a temperate to keep all the. Jimmy: Well, we're gonna ask wags. Hey, what wags you want to do you want to do patreon live? ⁓ did he? Okay. Yo, all you gotta do to get wags live is just play Ark Raiders. FiFi: That one kid was so funny, but... Mom! Mom, it's wags! Mom, it's wags! Jimmy: It's the hooligan dudes. Wait, there's no way your wags and then he's got his voice changer on. Yeah, what's up, dude? SCUD-Muffin: Dude, I get starstruck by him sometimes, too, just because it's, you know, he's wags. He's the executive producer of the game we play and the game we podcast about. And I was I was telling my wife like that, like we're in private chats with him. We talk to him all the time and he hits us up to play games and like no, no joke, like not not 10 minutes after tell her like how like it it makes it feel legitimate that what we're doing because wags like we're talking to him a lot and not 10 minutes later, my phone rings. Jimmy: It's wags. every day. Yep. SCUD-Muffin: And it's a Discord call from Wags. And he's like, Hey, do want a dogfight? And my wife looks at me. She's like, ⁓ and I'm like, Wags just called me to fly with him. He just called me to dogfight with him. FiFi: you I'm ⁓ Jimmy: I have the opposite thing. So I'm with the wife and I'm like, we're watching. She's like, it'd be like a YouTube commercial or something. She's like, Oh, Mr. Big Shot YouTuber. What are you doing? I'm like, listen, I ain't got time for this low level stuff. We got some executive stuffs going on right now. Okay. And then, you know, get a message from like, FiFi: Yeah. It's fun though. It's always fun, especially with our graders with them and stuff like that. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah. Jimmy: No, so it's everybody though, because like, literally everybody in the community, like, I know I mentioned them earlier, like Indie is bullshit. There's a couple of streamers I subscribe to like, throughout the day and I watch them. They're on a pretty good schedule. One dude in Germany, this dude is awesome. Like the community, no matter who you are at what level, like the community is just cool. And like everybody is welcoming. Why is that hogget group? You guys still mean and I'm still hopped up on mountain dew from them for seniors. FiFi: They've been giving us some love lately. They've been giving us love lately, so I'm not even gonna... My war... Yeah. We don't have to blockade the Shrade of Haged anymore. Like, we're good. Jimmy: Okay, we love you this week, but you know, you want to tie it line. ⁓ my gosh, dude, I actually am like kind of lightheaded right now. ⁓ But I was I legit was understanding anesthesia today for a procedure. So legit, I'm going to stop moving. FiFi: the SCUD-Muffin: Jimmy's going to pass out like clavicle clavicular clavicular. Somebody give Jimmy an Adderall. FiFi: Yeah, anyways, yeah, anyways, before Jimmy passes out, have a post show. Yeah, we have a post show show to get to. Jimmy: I just need like, I just need a moment. SCUD-Muffin: Yeah, we do so Anyways, thanks for watching Is I hope this is a fun episode we had a hell of a lot of fun flying the planes Give them a try. Thanks for what? Thanks for being here watching this And then yeah go to the patreon because we're just about to record the post show show That will not throw live accidentally like we did last time Jimmy: Dude, yeah. FiFi: hehe Jimmy: Dad advice, I'm ready for it. FiFi: No, no, no, no. I made sure. I made sure this time. Thanks. Yeah. Jimmy's Jimmy's dad advice. SCUD-Muffin: ⁓ we get to, yeah, Jimmy stared at me. ⁓ yeah, the one time he's prepared for it is when we forget. Jimmy: This is for Peepee. Peepee, do not go live. ⁓ hey guys, we're live. And we're like this, like fingers in our belly buttons and everything. FiFi: You could save the world you could save the world 10 times but I'm not gonna use the rest of that phrase but anyways Yeah, I'm not gonna use the rest of the phrase SCUD-Muffin: Huh? Have you saved the world ten times? Dad advice. Jimmy: You didn't even trial the planes! Alright, so dad advice. First person to comment that says, Jimmy is beautiful. We'll get a free yak or a Christian Eagle. Your pick. it. Rifle kazoo. Love you guys. Yeah, I'm giving away free shit. That's dad advice. Jimmy's beautiful. SCUD-Muffin: That's dad advice? Rival kazoo. FiFi: What is going on? Are we just giving away things now? Okay, I'm