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Ep. 1198 Endurance Trail Running and FKTs with Cody Taylor · Adventure Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: your listening to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for adventuring with us as we discover what incredible athletes and outdoor enthusiasts are doing all over the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here's your host, Kurt Linville.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey friends, today I have Cody Taylor with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is fairly new to his sport, which is trail running, and very aggressive through hiking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Self-supported, healed some self-supported records.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna talk about all of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I really like about what he wants to share today is that he is going to help us to understand how we can get into a new sport like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How it is doable if you've never done anything like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a journey that you two can take that he recently took.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody, welcome to the program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you so much for the opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a blast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, a little background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you from?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm from Cornwall, Ontario, so I'm a candidate and I'm right in between Montreal and Ottawa and I'm right on the border of the state, so my training grounds is actually at a Rhondax in New York, upstate New York.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A very cool and where do you hang your pack these days?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Same place?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't Cornwalls this is where I live, and I've been here, like I was, I kind of grew up just 30 minutes down the road in more of a country setting, but yeah, Cornwalls
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always good to like where you were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think yeah, there's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, it's like I used to do a lot of traveling with my band and I remember like when I was on tour I was I was going coast to coast in the states and I was like in LA and I was in these big cities and I just like realized with a lot of people that like
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know if you're in a big city you kind of like you're caught up in this like you're just you get so like involved with all these things that are going on and life just passes by like that and I like if I could slow things down a little bit you know in a minute I'm all for it so what I like about cornwall is that we're close to everything if I want to get to a big city we're in our way from everything
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[SPEAKER_02]: My training grounds are just a couple hours away, and it's a small town, small vibe, it kind of brings the energy a little bit lower, so it's just like it for me, it's just it's a nice way to kind of really relax and be able to enjoy my life, so it's all about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it could be argued that if you live a little bit more slowly you kind of get the effect of living longer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as long as you're enjoying it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've all over that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that bothers me is when life becomes so repetitive, that you don't remember a week later where you were, what you did a week ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it all just blends in together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when we need to check ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's when we need to say, wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this how I want to spend my days?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I decided to do something different a few years ago,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the end result of that is that now you have some self-supported trail records.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did that come around about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, so I was, like, I was, I'll start with from the beginning, but I used to be a drummer, like I played drum still.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was my dream, my entire life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I went from my playing local club shows to like all of a sudden touring with a band and creating our own music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got to play major festivals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I got to play after Death Leth bird and playing for a thousands of people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was really, I had of these opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a lot of fun, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had a blast doing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really learned a lot about myself, how to be an entrepreneur.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because, you know, we're marketing, we're promoting our band, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I did that, then the pandemic hit, and I realized how fragile the music scene was, and that's when I started running, and I kind of like, when I started running, I talked about this on another podcast and I long ago, but like, what I loved about running and how simple running is, and like, I'm at a adrenaline junkie, like obviously, there's a lot of people like that, like me, and like, when I was playing for a thousand people, like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That wasn't adrenaline rush and then whenever I started running at a pandemic, I'm like then I started tapping into like this adrenaline rush like I was getting on stage and I'm like, wow, I could I could do this any day in the week and you know with music, it's like I have to work really hard, there have to be
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[SPEAKER_02]: Things to line up in a perfect situation for me to play in these major festivals that doesn't happen all the time You know, and the amount of work and amount of preparation that goes into being in a band It's like it was just a lot harder than then just going out late and up and just getting out for get out to get out the door and go for a ride
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[SPEAKER_02]: so it was uh... runny just became my thing and uh... and then like i went from like not being able to run for like five kilometers uh... in beginning of twenty twenty to like running forty kilometers in a couple months and like as you'll see with my story it's like everything i kind of do it's like it's all all in mentality and you know it's like there's pros and cons to it you know like obviously uh... with that the cons would be like i'm very uh... singular focused
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, it's like, it's a could be a good thing because whenever you're singular focus, it's like you could really reach to the top quick because you're just, you're all in with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, so I did it with music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did it with my HFAC company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I ran a heating cooling company for about five years, like because I was in the trade since so 16, like that's gas fitting and refrigeration for those that don't know, HFAC.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then like whenever I started sharing my journey, then I got into like online coaching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like now me and my wife, we run this company called new normal and we help people just like you know getting better shape and just it's an accountability thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what we do now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then yeah that's so then I went from I started running and then like
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I did, which I always did, it's like, I always reached out to the guys that were doing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I reached out to this guy named Razahab.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you guys don't know, Razahab, highly recommend you search them up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This guy is a legend in the endurance world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I ended up reaching out to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was quick chat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The next thing I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and four or five months, I ran the out of common desert with him in Chile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We did like a seven day expedition together with a few other people, and that's whenever he introduced the idea to me with doing these unsupported adventures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just want to correct you with that too, because like there's so there's supported, there's self-supported, then there's unsupported.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So self-supported is like you could
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could have Dropboxes, you could have like bags where it's like you pick up new Triton and then that way it's just like your backpacks later and then unsupported is basically carrying all your gear right from start, right to the finish and camping on trail and not being able stop at stores and pick up resupplies or anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a little bit of a difference there, but it doesn't have any ones worth knowing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's supported meaning you finish, you start with what you finish with, except for what you eat along the way essentially, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes sir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, so like, whenever I started these trails, my backpack would weigh pretty close to 55 pounds and then every day it would lose two and a half pounds because I'd be going through my nutrition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So by the end of the two week adventure, I'd be down like my base way, which was like 15 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what that's what unsupported is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've interviewed a lot of people who claim self-support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unsupport kind of takes it to the next level because you have to start with a heavier
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[SPEAKER_02]: yeah and you know it's like this is this is why having a coach or having a mentor this is what was really game-changing for me because like I started running and I was like oh I'm gonna become a really good runner like you know just the way I am I'm very confident stuff I'm like I want to get podium in these races but like reality reality reality is I'm not that great of a runner it's like I have a big engine but I'm not the fastest runner and whatever I went to out of comma
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like Ray saw that from me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He saw that like, you know, I have a big engine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a big heart and I, you know, I he knew I could do some big things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's never been introduced.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of unsported and you know, unsupported.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the reason why there's not a lot of unsported records is that like when I read the IIT, I was the only one that's ever done on its ported.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the Bruce Trail, there's only one record that I had to break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So whenever he introduced this idea to me, it's just like, it's not common because it's so friggin hard, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, you do have to be strong and you have to be tough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'll kind of drive into some of the stories of what happened on the Bruce Trail, but like, you know, whenever you got 50, some pounds in your back, it's like, that's a lot of way, there's a lot of things that could go wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just, it's just about being resilient and, you know, adapting and overcoming these obstacles and you learned so much ban like, I had no experience going to the Bruce Trail 900 kilometers, the longest trail in Canada and I had no experience going into it and just learned on trail so yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: let's talk a little bit about these trails because I told you right before I hit record I had to look these up and I've talked to a lot of people about a lot of trails over the years and so that these are new to me maybe they'll be new to the listeners first the IAT I thought well I know what the AT is what this I business and I didn't even know that this was a thing but
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[SPEAKER_01]: People around the globe have started working together kind of in an extension of the Appalachian Trail concept.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've started working together to make trails in other countries in other places, and it's the international Appalachian Trail, and that the trail
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[SPEAKER_01]: What first started it was like, let's go past Catedon on into Canada, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the beginning of what became the larger IAT consortium.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the section that you did to the IAT describe it to us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was the Quebec version of the IAT and if I'm not mistaken,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Think you back though the version I did was the first discovered trail or the IAT like the international Appalachian trails.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you read that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't quote me on that but I'm pretty sure I saw that somewhere so I just I yeah that was pretty cool little.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is good because the GRA1 so I believe it's the first one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyways it ran from Madapedia all the way to the gas bay peninsula and it ran through the Chick-chalk mountains.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and how long is that trail?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was 650 kilometers with 85,000 feet of climbing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So basically like climbing Mount Everest three times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were just comparing it to the Colorado Trail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and realize that they're similar trails, they're not the same, but they're similar trails and birds and distance and all that kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that might give people context for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a major undertaking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you completed that trail unsupported, not self-supported, unsupported.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How long did it take you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: 13 days for hours 30 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The this trail man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the reason why it was so hard to is that it's not a super well-travel trail in a lot of areas So like there was a lot of bushwacking too, so it's like there was a lot of times where I had no idea if I was on trail They're not so I was using my phone with a guy in maps and just navigating like a lot because
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like on the Bruce Trail, like whenever I did that, and like I would close to Toronto there, it's like that was a really well marked trail, it kind of made it feel like a highway, and then I get out of the international obligation trail, and I really feel like a true adventure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there was times where I would go four or five days without seeing a person, so it was pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I talked to some of the people that take care of the continental divide trail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've interviewed a lot of through hikers that have done that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the granddaddy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the the Appalachian Trail has its claims to fame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Pacific Crest Trail has its claims to fame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's the continental divide trail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They said they doubt that any two people have ever walked the exact same route.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's so wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so much navigation and connecting the dots and sorting it out and options as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, I could go this way and I'd go over a 14er.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go this way and I won't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so which way do I want to go?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it sounds like the IAT is going to be similar to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of navigation is sorting it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, it's funny, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I, uh, there was a couple of times where I did get lost and I'm like, you know what, like, it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got the job done and then I remember about submitted it to the FKT website, um, the girl that like was looking at over really kind of like looked through a magnifying glass and she like saw the times where I was off trail and she actually came back and was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: What what happened here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What happened there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the first time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've only done I only got two FKTs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got the Bruce Trail and you got the IIT and I was just expecting like I'll submit it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to give me a green flag like every piece would be fine, but then Then she came back to me with these questions is like, then my heart started racing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you do all this work like
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[SPEAKER_02]: And at the other day, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: FKT or no FKT, I learned so much up on the trail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, you know, you go that far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, it's been really nice to get the FKT, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, anyway, so it was funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just had to explain what happened and, you know, but it's all good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I got it done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like I took shortcuts, that's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just because like, sometimes like the trail would lead me to another direction and I don't know, like, I don't know what happened, but like, you know, it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, got it done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the funny thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, what is an FKT for people who don't know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fastest no time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, I call it time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I call it course record.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I call it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: FKTE, it's like, some people call it world records.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really, I don't like all the world records, but it's, yeah, fast no time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where we're kind of logging in all this information.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where we're kind of getting the proof sort of thing is the FKTE website, fast no time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've done a lot of episodes about FKTEs, but it's kind of a term that not everybody knows, but once you come back and get into it,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, there are all these things I could do and see if I could do it faster than anyone has as far as we know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, the FKT website, like, it used to be from what, from one of my understanding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it was only on the big trails, the biggest, like, more like the biggest trails that everyone knew about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But now it's like, it's starting to become a website where it's just like, you could do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could get an FKT on like a two mile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Track or whatever you know, so like some of the true adventurers some of the true like the old school FKT athletes like some of them are kind of a little bit better about it now Which is like you know what I I talked to my wife about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like If it's gonna get you excited about doing a little project or get you in shape or whatever it is It's like so what then you know, I mean, I think it's all good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm all for man, so it's like that's where I'm at with it so
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So on the IAT in the end, did they say, yeah, it is a fastest known time, or did they say, nope, you're off trail, try again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they gave me, yeah, no, I got it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just had to explain to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just had to explain what happened and stuff, but yeah, yeah, it's like now, it's like, I mean, it's, it's funny because it's like fast no time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I call it first no time because like it was, uh, it was the first time that someone has from, I, our understanding has done it unsported, like in the fashion that I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was tough, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'll be honest with you, like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was very, very lucky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually had two weeks of nothing but sun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was really hot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It had some challenges because I had no groundwater to filter from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd go 68 hours without drinking water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, Chafeam was like a real issue because it was so hot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if it was raining, like a lot of these climbs that I was doing, what thing I'd, one thing I was saying to my wife was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: there were it wasn't like rocky and a lot of these climbs it was like it was dirt so it's like if it was raining hard it would have been like mudslides and yeah basically a mudslide with 50 pounds or 45 pounds or whatever the weight is in the backpack at the time like going down hill like that like it could be really dangerous so I was very very fortunate and that's why I really think
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really think this I see like the the record I just got I'll probably hold it for a little while because of that Because the Bruce trail like I had that record for a year then the guy that had the previous record James and had I always get my shout out on these podcasts because he's helped me with a lot of these projects He got the record back and he it was a beautiful story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He lost his dad right before going out and then he went out and got it done and
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[SPEAKER_01]: and so I'm very happy for him and yeah man that's awesome so let's I want to do the Bruce Trellas well but let's spend a little bit more time on the IAT and the reason is because I want people to get a feel for what it is that you've actually accomplished here it's real easy to say well you know the the IAT's 85,000 feet of climbing it's 650 kilometers and I did it in 13 days for hours and 30 minutes
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't tell us what it felt like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At first, let's break it down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How far were you going each day?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I think it average, it ended up averaging was like 55 kilometers, which is like, it doesn't sound like a lot, but again, man, it's like the climbing, the navigation, um, you know, whenever you do things unsported like you have to, you have to treat, you have to take care of your body, you got to stop, you got to arrow your feet, you got to like take care of the things that could be a problem, it could be an issue down the road, so,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know doing it supported when you got the crew and you got no weight on your back it's like yeah you could rip it pretty quick but whenever you got fifth whenever you start off with 55 pounds and you know you got you got blisters are starting to happen on your feet like you got to be smart and you got to stop and you got to take your time and you got to
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to be patient and that's the biggest thing with a trail like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was really hard man and like, you know, there was more moose than people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I saw a moose out there and you had to be very careful about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't, I don't listen to music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't because it could be very dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got ran right into a moose basically and I was like 50 feet away from man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like a bull moose, you know, and this hair was standing in the back of its neck like it's like, it's scary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like it's scary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It could be very scary in some situations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just gotta be very, very aware, very prepared, and yeah, it's like, yeah, I know, it's, you're right though, it's like, like, you know, it sounds like, oh, I could do that, but it's, it's really hard, it's really hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't be so quick there, because you know that your reference point is talking about ultramarathoners and might do 100 miles in a day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what you did at that distance, 55 kilometers, we're talking about, you know, doing a marathon, plus maybe five more miles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not with marathon every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with a 50 pound pack on your back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's no small feat, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not many people would would take that on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doing a marathon is one thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doing a marathon two days in a row.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now put a weight on your back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now do that for two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, dude, that was awesome.
19:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate them and that's why you know what that's why I try to reach out to you guys It's always podcasts because I do like sharing the story.
19:34
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's I like to I like for people to realize that like you know If I could do it like anyone could do it sort of thing like I'm nothing special, you know I just work really hard and
19:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoy the adventure and I enjoy being outdoors, you know, that's what's all about, it's like you learn a lot about yourself, but you're two weeks like alone, you know, I don't see anyone for two weeks, I don't talk to anyone or anything, it's like, it's an incredible feeling, man, it's just like you get back home and chocolate tastes a little sweeter sort of thing, you know?
20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
20:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you had chocolate days to little severe, you know, we spent five weeks in Kenya 30 years ago and when I got back home and I set down on a padded chair, that's what shocked me.
20:17
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, oh, oh, patded chair.
20:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so whatever I sleep at night, I, uh,
20:25
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people bring like a mattress is some sort like I actually just bring those the close cell phone mat Yeah, so it's just like and I just sleep on that like with the sleeping bags I don't even bring a I don't bring a sleeping bag or I'm sorry I don't bring a sleeping mat or anything like a blow up one So it's like I'm a back sleeper so I could make that work and it's just lighter like it whenever it comes on support And you're really trying to like dial in the weight and
20:48
[SPEAKER_02]: sure at all because you know like I'm also like I got a carried battery bank so I got to charge my phone I got to charge my my garbage in reach so it's like yeah, so it's like you know It means so I'm trying to really and I'm still learning man.
20:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still trying down on the way like my next trail I'm doing I'm actually going to be doing a bit of a bit of a switch on my nutrition because like both my last adventures my Nutrition was two and a half pounds a day by like my buddy James and had he's been kind of like
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's telling me he's like you can get your nutrition down like under two pounds and still get 4,000 calories So it's like a lot of macadamia nuts and a lot of like that kind of stuff So it's like it's gonna be a bit of a switch on my nutrition this year, but Thankfully, I'm pretty good with the nutrition like I have a pretty good stomach with this stuff But one thing that's really important to like you people don't understand is like getting fiber You really gotta get fiber in you whenever you're out in these trails because you gotta go to bathroom like
21:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a lot of the I did a trail with Jamison there was a two-day adventure and like I was like I'm gonna pack like I'm like an idiot and like just pack 10,000 calories and get all the food that I've been to love you know cookies and candies and this night
21:49
[SPEAKER_02]: and man i remember like by day two i was like so backed up and i like i felt so like i was so uncomfortable and i was like you know i mean i'm like man never again like i you got it you got a good food like it's like we good food every day it's like you you like fuel uh nutrition's fuel it's like so why why do that's yourself whenever you're doing these uh at these rons or these adventures like well that's really important for sure yeah what people often don't think about and
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I've talked a lot of athletes about race day, what do you eat and most people will say something like, well, you should eat like you always eat as much as you can, but when you're doing a backpacking trip, you can't carry the weight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't carry what you would normally eat the way you, you know, every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to really spend some time on it and when you're trying to be a long distance backpacker at high speeds and unsupported,
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's when it gets really critical.
22:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So what did you do for food, any advice for people?
22:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, it can't just do freeze-dried the whole way through.
22:51
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, so I did one dehydrated meal a night.
22:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I was, I was big on, uh...
22:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I was big on like lair bars.
23:00
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like if you're gonna do like a bar being able to read the ingredients on the bar So lair bars like three four ingredients.
23:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I get like you know if you do a cliff bar It's like you can't even read half the ingredients and like that sits like a rock in your stomach like I could tell
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bars that are not that good for you whenever I'm doing these adventures because they do they do not so well I stomach but if you eat a layer of bars like made out of dates nuts and like you know I made sometimes dark chocolate chips or whatever, but like most times it's like super It's three four ingredients, you know, so I was doing a lot of that like like at the last trail I just did I packed um because like I do I do like candy and sometimes a little bit of candies nice on trail So I packed eight
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[SPEAKER_02]: singular fuzzy peaches a day so like not not like I'm not like a lot of candy just eight singular pieces You know, and then pepperoni like I did get a bit of fats in me too.
23:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Like um What else
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what else I'm trying to think now I was yeah, there's just more just Food that like you know that that makes sense and that like I said that you could read the ingredients on that's all I got to say It's like if you're gonna do anything just do that and I would I like what I like what I like about the Lera bars is that like they are High and fiber so it's like, you know, I I wake up every morning and was like clockwork I would go to the bathroom right away and just go to the bathroom once like I was very very regular
24:20
[SPEAKER_02]: both on the boost trail and the idea to you know, I think that's super super important man because if you're not going to keep going No, you're in trouble.
24:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure exactly.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's pretty cool.
24:33
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's funny that you mentioned the lower bars When I climb Kilimanjaro a couple weeks back
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[SPEAKER_01]: they we would take breaks on the night climb you climb overnight we would take breaks and they would say have a bite of food have a sip of water and we're going again super super short breaks and so i started a lore bar at about i'm gonna call it um 15,000 feet it took one bite
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[SPEAKER_01]: I summed it on the same Laura bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A seven hour time to 19,000 feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh, I got a bite.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: There's lunch.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got a bite.
25:11
[SPEAKER_02]: There's dinner.
25:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, man, good for you for doing that.
25:14
[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was funny because it was a Laura bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three bites.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we get in seven hours, climbing that mountain.
25:21
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is a story, too.
25:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to mention it just so I don't forget.
25:28
[SPEAKER_02]: The body's capable doing a lot of things and on the bruise trail, this is a crazy story actually so on the bruise trail The first four or five days my coach told me whatever you don't eat throw it out.
25:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, so no problem So like I've found that before I do these adventures first five days.
25:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm throwing out a lot of food
25:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I get to the back half of the adventure and I realized in the last 200 kilometers I'm like holy crap I'm running out of food.
25:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So the last 100 miles I basically had a pocket full of pepperoni and two lair bars and I did the last 100 miles with a 50-hour push with no sleep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: just a couple dirt naps and basically no food and I ended up losing like 30 pounds.
26:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, yeah, it was, it was a very, and that was like again, it was just my first adventure.
26:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I was learning out there.
26:13
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like that was a mistake that I did not make again on the IIT.
26:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, you know, I don't care about that extra little bit of way.
26:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, dude, nutrition is everything like,
26:22
[SPEAKER_02]: The bruise trail, like the fact that I got that done, it was wild, like, you know, the hallucinations were there.
26:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I was, it was a crazy, crazy, crazy, I even got it done, but like, but, you know, it's like, it is crazy.
26:36
[SPEAKER_02]: The human body could do a lot, man.
26:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, we're able to do a lot of things, you know, I remember, I call my wife whenever I got some swords in the bruise trail, like,
26:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm running out of food man.
26:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I was freaking out.
26:46
[SPEAKER_02]: It's stressing out and you know she told me she's like You know back in the day when people used to go out and hunt for their food like they would go They're like they would go starving.
26:54
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's a pleasure to go to the East without eating So it's like you know that was kind of like maybe realize like this is like this has been going on for a lot of years Like you know if they could do it like I could do it sort of things so
27:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't recommend it, like it definitely took a little while for Greta to get better, but like, you know, getting that way back and stuff, but, like anyways, it was crazy story.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would say to people, going without food is hard, going without water is dangerous.
27:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, and I didn't go with that water like water is for sure something and like on the IIT like that was something though Like I I did go hours without drinking water, but I still drink water and like whenever I would get whenever I would find water I would put in as much as I can sort of think fill my bottles and I would have for a while But there was there was definitely sections where like I'd always keep like half a 500 mil
27:45
[SPEAKER_02]: A bottle of water on me sort of thing.
27:48
[SPEAKER_02]: So like to let's say 250 milliliters of water in total Always and like that was like basically just just in case because like if I was to eat a bar and I start choking and that wasn't going because like whenever you're doing these adventures like Sometimes it could be hard to eat so it's like you need the water to kind of put it down You know if you if you're eating on trail and you don't have any water and you start choking could be really dangerous So it's like I always made sure I had water on me
28:10
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would sometimes go six hours, close to eight hours with like not taking a sip of my bottle because like I couldn't even find water on the ground like that's the that's the That could be sometimes the the dangerous thing about it being so hot out, you know, so sure Well, Cody, I want to I want to share this one because I found that it's very very effective and it may it may work great for you It may not but
28:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I forget who it was that told me this, it was so many years back, but it was on the podcast and throughhike or shared this recipe and it really, really works.
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea is you get a nut butter that you love, peanut butter, almond butter, tahini.
28:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what ever it is, your favorite nut butter that you can tolerate well.
28:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And you put about 50, 50 nut butter and regular butter together, because that just blows up the calories.
29:06
[SPEAKER_01]: and you have to stir it for a long time until it kind of becomes a squeezable, right?
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You put it in a squeeze tube, but then you can also, which I think helps, you put just a little bit of something sweet in it, not a lot.
29:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be honey, it could be molasses, it could be syrup, it could be a little bit of jelly.
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: but it doesn't take much just to make it a little bit more of an energy punch.
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And you put it in a squeeze tube, I have hiked seven hours on just a few squeezes off of that tube.
29:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's incredible.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it has so many calories, it's so energizing, it anyway.
29:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I have found it to be, it's lightweight, but it's so calorie dense.
29:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And it gets super, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So get a nut butter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like make your old squeeze to but like add butter to it and add a bit of honey or syrup or whatever Yeah, and you have to make enough water in it so that you can do you have a you have a nut butter I never actually really tried that stuff.
30:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you do you have a nut butter that you prefer that you like
30:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has to figure that out from themselves.
30:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people are literally like peanut butter, right?
30:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I think almond butter would be my first choice.
30:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take it.
30:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll take a note of that right now.
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm at a really does work.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you mess around with the recipe until you get it the way you love it, right?
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to enjoy it, but I found it easy easy to take while you're going because it's squeezable.
30:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to chew it.
30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you just squeeze and gulp and you're good to go.
30:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so
30:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Trail nutrition, I think we kind of beat that one for a while, but it's an important part of this.
30:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
30:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, nutrition and hydration is everything.
30:40
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I have whatever I was on the IIT.
30:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember So the first day was crazy.
30:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just tell you another quick story to about that on the first day The most stories.
30:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly So I like I started off with these trekking poles and these trekking poles I actually did the whole Bruce trail with it plus a training for the Bruce trail plus a training for the IIT okay, then I then I get on the IIT and
31:04
[SPEAKER_02]: first six hours of the freaking trail, the pole goes between my legs and I snap the pole and I'm going on this ported and I can't stop at a store, I can't get a pole, I can't get a new pole and so I started, I literally have a panic attack first, like six hours, I'm like oh my god, like 85,000 feet of climbing, you need two poles, you know.
31:24
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, I ended up finding this stick that this
31:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like way up higher than my face there.
31:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I ended up breaking the end got it up to like my eye level And that's and it's stuck with me the entire trail.
31:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I still have the stick.
31:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's on my wall actually.
31:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's that stick was like 10 times the weight is my trekking pole But it stuck with the old live wood, so it wasn't dead wood, so it stuck with me the entire way
31:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I went for my eye level all the way down to like under my chin because it's like dragging on the trail all the time But anyways, what I was gonna say about that was that day and nutrition was that so right after that moment I'm freaking out find the stick you know, I mean, I'm like still stressed about it Like I got this freaking stick that's 10 times everywhere my pole and whatever and then it was like
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[SPEAKER_02]: I ended up falling down this ditch and like very close to like hurting myself really bad.
32:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I fell down like six feet.
32:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, yeah, this is another thing I forgot.
32:19
[SPEAKER_02]: The backpack I caught in the tree and ended up like I fell down the ditch.
32:23
[SPEAKER_02]: The backpack I caught caught in the tree was choking me.
32:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh no.
32:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like, I'm like, hang in there.
32:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like trying to hit the friggin' buckle, but the buckle's so tight on my skin.
32:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Finally, at the buckle, put my arms up, fell through, fell through the backpack down to the ditch.
32:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Try to get up the ditch.
32:38
[SPEAKER_02]: got up there finally like all full scrapes and bruises stuff and then I grabbed my backpack and then I start doing this climb and then and then all of a sudden my legs started like spazzing and they were like going crazy and I'm like I could even climb for a second and I'm like oh my god then in that split second I'm like did I train hard enough for this you know and then all I did was I went back to the little river that I walked by and I filtered water put a whole pack of element down in one shot
33:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I was good to go and I kept climbing and I was fine.
33:09
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a nutrition, hydration, it's everything.
33:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And another quick story before I forget to, on the IT, so day two, the whole of IAT adventure went flawless.
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It really did.
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: But the first two days were really tough.
33:23
[SPEAKER_02]: The second day, in the morning, I go to filter water.
33:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I take my backpack off and on the first few days, it's a real short, taking off your backpack and putting it back on.
33:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 50 some pounds.
33:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a chore.
33:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So I take my backpack off, filter the water, put it back on, hike up the trail, I'm going up this hill, and then like 15 feet down, or like up the trail, I look and there's a tree that went across the trail, like fell across the trail.
33:48
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was being a little lazy, cut my backpack on, I climb over the tree, put my foot over this, put my foot over the, uh,
33:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Over the leg on this branch and I put my weight on the branch and then my foot like the branch broke Oh, no, and I ended up cutting my leg.
34:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna show you real quick I know listeners probably can't see it, but I still got the scar on my leg.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude.
34:09
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's major I ended up having the scar that was like
34:13
[SPEAKER_02]: that this was on date two on a two week expedition and I'm like I was freaking out because it was really bad and you only bring so many supplies with like you know when it comes to medical stuff so I'm like ripping through all my medical stuff within the first day and I still got like two weeks to go you know so I went through the whole adventure like every night I'd go to bed I wake up in the morning I was wearing like I was wearing a wool like pants and a shirt because I got down like single
34:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I'm here every morning I take off my pants and rip the scab right off my skin like every day.
34:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, by day, I think it was like day eight or day nine.
34:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I like 200 kilometers left.
34:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I looked down on my cut at the cut and it looked super infected and I'm like, I start freaking out.
34:57
[SPEAKER_02]: So I finally get service on my phone.
34:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I sent a picture to my wife, my wife had her uncle's a doctor and stuff and she was actually out in these coasts and she was staying with them so she showed that she first she saw the picture and she's like oh my god and I just dropped down on my adventures over.
35:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I'm done you know I'm like I was freaking out and then she showed it she showed it to the doctor and then the doctor said like oh it actually looks good it looks like you took good care of it so like you know
35:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Just congratulated him telling me just to keep a clean and keep going and I'm like I thought it was the biggest win.
35:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I've ever put my hands up But I'm like yelling in this trails by myself.
35:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It all like yeah, it was just so it was a crazy keep going Yeah, it was just a marathon today
35:38
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was just, it was just that, you know, you go so far, you put in such a big effort.
35:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, you know, you trained the thing is with these big adventures that this is the only thing I'm doing all year.
35:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, so it's like all the strange training, all the preparation, the money you invest in with the nutrition, the time and everything.
35:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you say you get taken out because of a stupid thing like that where I didn't, I didn't feel like take my backpack off climbing.
36:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always a little thing, man.
36:01
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to mean so it's like, it was just, it was one of the hours where I was like,
36:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it's like this is just funny because the scar still on my leg and I don't think it's going anywhere Like it was it was a lot bigger of a it was a bigger deal and I thought it was you know at the time I was like oh, it's just a cut, but then like it was it was pretty deep and like whenever you're moving that long sweating all day long exposed like to just dirt and everything It's like it's just it's not given it the time to heal so yeah That was that was quite that's quite a wild journey
36:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
36:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Cody, what's your why?
36:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you do this and it might be changing?
36:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you do more of it.
36:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But what's your why?
36:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a great question, man.
36:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, like I got admit when I first was doing this, I was trying to build a reputation.
36:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to build a name.
36:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to build
36:53
[SPEAKER_02]: a business you know and like whenever I first started doing the running it's like I've shared my journey trying to inspire people because like when I was doing the music too like it was just like I just wanted people to be passionate about whatever they're doing in life and like that was kind of like you know as much as I love playing music and I like playing with bands and stuff like that was kind of like my end goal is like I just wanted to be an inspiration and stuff and then and then then I got into running and I'm like I started pushing the runs and then whenever I was like announced I'm doing the Bruce Trail the 900
37:23
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like whenever I before even doing it.
37:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like I was doing it because I just wanted to motivate people sort of thing But then after I did the Bruce Trail Then it became much more than that.
37:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I was just like, okay.
37:35
[SPEAKER_02]: No, like this is like really actually changing me as a person It makes you just appreciate everything in life.
37:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like just a friggin bottle water right here You know what I'm saying?
37:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like something like it actually just grabbing the tap
37:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's everything man.
37:50
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's like it just having a conversation with you.
37:53
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like I really get to just appreciate the fine things in life And I'm like that's what's all about for me now.
37:59
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I find when I go out do these adventures I just come back and I'm just appreciating everything more and more and more like just sleep my own bed Having my own home, you know, being with my wife since I was 16 up 33 now They just appreciating all these things more and more like my relationships got better and my friends and family
38:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what it's all about now.
38:19
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, first it was about maybe the, you know, in a way, like I don't like saying it, but it's just the reality.
38:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I was doing it for the popularity, I guess, you know, and to try and, you know, inspire people.
38:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But then like, I'm still growing.
38:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I'm still, I'm still maturing.
38:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm still like becoming, you know, like you said, my why it's always changing.
38:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And like doing these adventures made me grow up quick, you know?
38:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So like now it's like, it's much more than that.
38:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I'm saying, the even the FKT, like before the Bruce Trails, there was all about the FKT, getting the FKT now, it's not about the FKT, like it's much more than that, you know, so.
39:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a progression when we do adventures.
39:04
[SPEAKER_01]: People do change their why.
39:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's a lot.
39:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's almost always moves in a really healthy direction.
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: For sure, man, absolutely.
39:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I just said, and I'm very honest about it.
39:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I was doing it for people to be like, who's this guy?
39:18
[SPEAKER_02]: But now it's like, I don't know who he did something.
39:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but now it's like who cares man.
39:22
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many people doing cool stuff like your whole podcast I was looking at old people and your Google drive.
39:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like why am I even on here these people are These people are credible people and I was like, it's just you know That's why I'm super honored to be able to come here and share my story because Yeah, man, it's just like I'm just a regular dude and so if I could do it Yeah, I have anyone could do these these things and if it's not this if it's not this it's like you can do
39:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything it just take it to the next level you want to be and that's what that's what's all about It's just about like being passionate about whatever you do in life and just yeah man going all in with it, you know, so
39:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in the end, I think it's not really a competition.
39:59
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there are races, you know, we compete with ourselves.
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the end, it always turns into something more along the lines of this feels so healthy.
40:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I love how the who I am when I'm out here.
40:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love what I learn.
40:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I love coming home and realizing that that is going to carry me.
40:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and tough times.
40:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it also makes you a leader where you know what or not when you get in a situation where the suffer Fest begins.
40:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then people start looking to you because you know how to suffer
40:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no for sure.
40:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean like I literally built so after the bruise trail I built my whole on like because I was in in person trainer And then like I was like I got into the on my coaching and like after the bruise trail I had such a I had a lot of people following me in fall majority and like we built our business like like that because I was like People like I now I was saying I'm literally coaching people on how to run a hundred miles and I just got into support a couple years ago
40:53
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean so it's like but it's because I put myself in these situations and I've learned on trail And like and you know and I'm very honest like I tell these people I'm like I won't get you podium But I'll get you like to finish your first 100 mile race and like I know what it takes to get there So it's like that that's why it's like, you know I think walk in the walk like you know, if you're gonna be a coach like you gotta be doing the things or at least have the experience You know what I mean so anyways, yeah
41:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's talk about the Bruce Trail.
41:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're kind of beat the IAT for a while there.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're awesome.
41:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But what is the Bruce Trail?
41:28
[SPEAKER_02]: The Bruce Trail it runs from Niagara all the way to Tobermory and it's a 900 kilometer trail and it's, I think goes around since 1960's.
41:39
[SPEAKER_01]: The 540 miles.
41:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.
41:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.
41:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's, it's,
41:44
[SPEAKER_02]: it was it was discovered I think in 1962 or 1967 but it is so well maintained there's so many people volunteering and like you can navigate that trail in the middle of the night you can navigate that trail any time
41:59
[SPEAKER_02]: winter, summer, whatever, and there's all kinds of trailblazers everywhere.
42:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Very, very easy trail to navigate, but it was a beautiful experience.
42:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, if you look on the map, you're like, oh, it just runs through cities and stuff, but it's really weird.
42:13
[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of runs on this little
42:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it kind of gets out with two like more like areas where it's just like it's very remote and stuff but in the beginning It's just like it looks like it runs right through the city, but it actually does and it's actually like it's all little trail like 200 200 feet up in the air It's really really cool, man.
42:35
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really cool and it was a very very good
42:39
[SPEAKER_02]: First trail to, you know, to make get your toes wet on because like it's like I if any was to happen It's like if I was to hurt myself.
42:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I could just go down the bottom of the trail and then just like Get help, you know, whenever the IIT it's like there was areas where I would have to get airlifted because there's nothing around it.
42:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, so
42:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, but it was just it was a good it was a fun experience the the most beautiful part of the Bruce Trello if anyone wants to go even if they don't do the whole hike Tobie more man, Tobie more a was the it's it's far it's up north
43:10
[SPEAKER_02]: gorgeous gorgeous trail and the river around it.
43:14
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the Hudson River I believe.
43:16
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's a clear water like you're on the Bahamas and there's rattlesnakes You got to careful with that too.
43:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I actually hit my rattlesnake on my pole which is super crazy You do we want to think there's rattlesnakes up north like pretty fun.
43:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I know all right, but there's rattlesnakes up there and black bears is black bears too and stuff so
43:34
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of wildlife and it's a really cool experience, but yeah, the Bruce Trail.
43:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that was a cool experience, and then like I said, the last 50 hours I pushed when I was sleeping and stuff, and then I finished, this was what was crazy, but that too is like,
43:50
[SPEAKER_02]: that whole tobe more section like anyone that knows that trail knows how difficult the grotto and all that that section is of the trail and I did that in the middle of the night on date day two and no sleep and no food so like I remember when I was trying to navigate that it was like it was I'm like I'm navigating these rock beaches and I'm like no idea where I'm going like
44:11
[SPEAKER_02]: it was it was really really a crazy crazy experience and I only beat the record by like well I beat it by five hours but like I was it was a real fight to the finish then I remember saying myself like okay code like either I set up tent and I played safe and not get the FKT or I push
44:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, whatever happens happens, but I'll maybe get the FKT and so I did the push to the final push, got the FKT and it was a crazy experience, but like, it's just, you know, one thing I do enjoy about doing these big things and just big adventures that like it makes.
44:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's so hard it makes everything everything else in life that much easier So it's like if you go out do a five kilometer run, you know some days You just don't feel like doing a run or going to the gym to get a workout in well It's like you remember those moments of how hard it can be and then it's just like okay Like I could suffer for 30 minutes or an hour here.
45:01
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
45:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So right yeah You say it's so hard
45:07
[SPEAKER_01]: people can imagine, but if they've never done it, is there a way that you can relate to us?
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: How hard that really is?
45:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, that's a great question.
45:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know, I don't even know.
45:19
[SPEAKER_02]: It's something, because I've ran 100 mile races before I've done a lot of hard stuff.
45:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you do something like that.
45:27
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's not so much the distance.
45:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not so much enduring the pain or whatever.
45:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like,
45:34
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the being alone for that long too, you know, like on the Bruce Trail, I remember on day seven.
45:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I literally had a panic attack, I'm like, I got on the phone my wife and I'm like, thank God I had service there and I'm like, I was like, I started like, I couldn't wasn't even able to make sense.
45:47
[SPEAKER_02]: My vision started closing because I was my first time.
45:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I never did, I'd never even...
45:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I bought all my gear like five weekends before the Bruce Trailer.
45:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I had no experience with this stuff.
45:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
45:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I had like five weekends where I went out and did like a couple of like one nighters.
46:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I scooped out the Toadmore section.
46:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was my first multi-day venture.
46:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I did like four days, three nights.
46:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I just went for it.
46:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So whatever I got to day seven, I was like, I just started freaking out.
46:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I started panicking and I'm like, I didn't even, like, because I was just like, I'm so far into this.
46:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, there's no turn it back now.
46:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like,
46:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so yeah, there's nothing that I could really relate it to honestly.
46:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, but then when I went out to the IIT, the amount of confidence I had knowing that I could move for that long.
46:31
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like now I know I could do these things and I could do it for, you know, for a long time, you know, as long as the body can keep, as long as I got nutrition and hydration, I keep going.
46:40
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, I guess if like, for any throughhiker, anyone that's done multiple days, like, you know, you maybe might be able to understand and appreciate the what I did.
46:50
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyone that's never done what I like, throughhiker, never like camp out on trail and being solo and being unsported.
46:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like I don't know.
46:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like there's nothing that could really that I could really relate to because it's so so Like it's it's hard but beautiful It's it's both you know like it's it's very difficult.
47:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got hard moments, but man what man what a beautiful experience You know like being alone for that long.
47:14
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the biggest thing too.
47:15
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you really really do become like I talk about this all time, but like I tapped into these emotions that I've never experienced before like I cried I laughed
47:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I hallucinated like I never cried before like I was very I kind of took like I was like you know I thought that was kind of cool like I'm tough, you know, but then the beauty of just crying I know I'm like man there was days where like I cry for hours man I couldn't help it.
47:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just crying just crying and I'm like and but then you feel so good after You know, it's like it's in a cry and I'm sure you just take kill him and jar I'm sure whenever you got on top of that mound like you probably had emotional experience too whenever you got up there, right?
47:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah yeah yeah I mean at the top of Killy there's usually a pretty good group of people I mean it's a popular mountain people are trying to get up there and I remember I had my back to the the people and I was looking out across the Caldera and I did dude I was choked up I know
48:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely man, and that's why beautiful tears off my cheeks and such such a beautiful experience man, like and I feel like you know like one thing I love about you know you don't have to do it multi day adventure, but like just getting outside and and going for a trail around or going to climb out your local mountain or whatever it's like
48:25
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, I think people take it for granted, but being healthy and being able to do these things.
48:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, that's really like two minutes.
48:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I recognize that when I do these things, like, I put myself in these situations.
48:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, people ask me if it's hard.
48:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it hard, hard moments.
48:41
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, how hard is it?
48:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I trained for it.
48:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I was going to do this thing.
48:46
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I got all the nutrition.
48:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I got all the stuff I need to get this job done.
48:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like,
48:50
[SPEAKER_02]: How hard is it?
48:51
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like I'm enjoying myself.
48:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting I'm getting spoiled explore my country My own two feet.
48:57
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I'm healthy.
48:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm strong.
48:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm young.
49:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, this is awesome.
49:02
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
49:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like any if you could.
49:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and if you could find joy in those things It's like you could endure hard things, man.
49:09
[SPEAKER_02]: You could do it endure hard things for days.
49:11
[SPEAKER_02]: So
49:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
49:13
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I've told a lot of people is that if you've never done any endurance type sport, first of all, try it.
49:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good for you.
49:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It does something for you.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is really life.
49:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just formative.
49:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But you get to a point where you're good and tired and you want to stop.
49:32
[SPEAKER_01]: When you get to that point, you're actually at the point where you can go for many, many, many, many, many hours, and it doesn't really get much worse, you know?
49:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, if you can endure, I really want to stop right now.
49:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to stop.
49:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You can just go and you can do it.
49:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, man.
49:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, and it's like, and then, you know, it's like, whenever you finish something like that, it's like, man, you're just so proud of who you are and what you did and what you accomplished,
50:02
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, then like I have these opportunities they talk into, you know, a great guy like you and being able to share my story and hopefully, you know, inspiring The next generation or inspiring the people that are wanting to do these things now, it's like, yeah, man, it's fun, man.
50:17
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm all about now.
50:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what would your recommendations be for people who they don't want to set a fastest known time, the WFKT business, you know, they're not trying to be unsupported, they just want to go have a backpacking experience.
50:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So between these two trails, what would you recommend?
50:38
[SPEAKER_02]: What would I recommend?
50:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I would recommend, um, just doing it and learning on trail.
50:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the biggest thing that I think people overthink things.
50:48
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, I need the ultra like year.
50:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I need the, I need the ultra like tent and I need the proper poles and the proper shoes.
50:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like,
50:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I learned on the Bruce Trailer.
50:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I learned that I don't need socks and actually socks maybe gave me blisters so I ran I did the whole nine hundred kilometers or no socks Yeah, you want to be like you learn you learn these things on trail and like you only learn by doing it so it's like
51:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I would just recommend anyone to go out there and it's like don't overthink it, just do it.
51:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously obviously like be smart about it, like if you go on in a remote area, like have a satellite, like I have a garment in reach, so like finding what's happened here at that SOS button.
51:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want people to go out there and just be stupid about it, but
51:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I do believe in just like just getting out there, just just learning like for yourself, you know?
51:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can give recommendations for days, but like at the end of the day, my coach gave me recommendations.
51:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And on the IIT, I realized some of those things they told me to do, I didn't like, like the backpack that he told me to get on my Bruce Trail.
51:51
[SPEAKER_02]: was falling apart.
51:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I got a Durston backpack for the IAT.
51:55
[SPEAKER_02]: A Durston, a Canadian made backpack, and this thing was so tough, and I'd give a shout out to those guys, like, that thing was glued to my back.
52:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, the bruise trail, I actually, like, on day four, like, there's a picture, I have it on my Instagram, like, I lost a skin on my back, and I had to tape my back with this trail toast tape.
52:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's because the backpack kept coming loose so the backpack was like grinding up against my back and then on this the new I the new trail that the IAT I taped my back right in the start because like I don't want that to happen again And the tape fell off after five six days and then like I didn't have the tape and I was kind of a little bit nervous about it But like but again, I wasn't because I knew the backpack was solid and it didn't change didn't change my back So it was like there's glue to my back so it's like
52:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, it's like you don't know until you know, you know, I mean, so yeah, that'd be the only recommendation I'd give to anyone It's just like just just get it out there and just try for yourself and Have fun.
52:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and be willing to try new things and to learn if you listen to your body You can learn a ton and it's gonna be different for everybody So you learned a backpack that works better for you.
52:57
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one perfect example a weird one for me is I can't wear a synthetic clothing
53:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that on a backpacking trip.
53:06
[SPEAKER_01]: People say cotton's rotten and they laugh about it.
53:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And the whole that all came from the idea that with cotton gets wet, it tends to stay wet, it doesn't wick the moisture away.
53:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So I carry an extra t-shirt who gives a flip.
53:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a couple of ounces.
53:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm wearing material.
53:20
[SPEAKER_01]: My body responds well to, is that right?
53:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I only hike in cotton.
53:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and it's just a love it, but that's me.
53:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Other people are fine in synthetics, but it's something that I learned.
53:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here here's a quick background I was trying to hike out of a deep deep deep base and very very steep 12,000 feet and my teenage son and my nephew were Way up ahead of me and they were leaving me behind.
53:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, man, what is going on?
53:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I realized I had a synthetic underlayer on and I thought something's wrong with this.
53:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not right So I took time to pull off that underlayer
53:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And I beat him to the top, really?
53:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And I realized, okay, synthetics and I don't get along.
54:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, that's really interesting, actually.
54:06
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you kind of have me think they're like, wait a second, is that was going on my back, too?
54:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause like, even on the IIT, like I still felt my back was a little hot, and I really have to crank down the backpack, but I do know though that, like, you know, for me, like,
54:19
[SPEAKER_02]: whenever you're out there and it's like I get I kind of PTSD with hypothermia because like I got hypothermia on my on the I was out and actually gasped and I did my first hundred mile race it was out there and I didn't have the proper clothes and I was wearing like this garbage top and everything and like the last 50 kilometers I
54:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I dropped in a hypothermia and I was so determined to get the job done and I did but like the people on course want to kick me off the course and stuff and like I was like whenever I finished my body that was the worst shape I've ever been after anything that I've ever done and it is dangerous so like you know like I have I always I always carry a marina wool
54:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Top and bottom right uh, always so like you know if I was to get cold and drop in height But they're me.
55:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I would just take off my synthetic layer and put on the marina will top and then put on my range jacket And even if the marina will get a little wet, it will trap the warmth you know.
55:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah So I always carry that Yeah, that's it
55:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, we have blown through our time already.
55:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't really list.
55:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking, okay, now what are we going to find?
55:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Next thing, do you just have so much energy, Cody, it's a beautiful thing.
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I love the way that you're enthusiastic about what you do.
55:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really what our podcast is about is it's motivating people and spiring people to try things, to find their thing, and it could be anything.
55:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be anything that takes you out into nature, gets you moving, makes you stronger, learn about yourself, have an experience, have some community, it could be any of those things.
55:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what you're doing?
55:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, that's right down my alley because I just love the idea of hiking and big hikes in nature and all that kind of stuff.
56:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Twice, you mentioned hallucinations.
56:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just really curious, we have to hear that bit before we end the show today.
56:09
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
56:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, so on the IIT, so this is actually another really important thing.
56:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I got stories forever.
56:15
[SPEAKER_02]: We could talk for another hour, but I know easy.
56:17
[SPEAKER_02]: On the Bruce Trail, I didn't sleep at all.
56:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I did the first seven days, I didn't sleep the last seven days.
56:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I was asleep the prior, so I was sleeping every time I was outside camp.
56:26
[SPEAKER_02]: But I only had four hours of sleep, and I was so full.
56:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I fell behind with sleep completely that I was like, I hallucinated every day on the Bruce Trail on the IIT, what the difference was, that I took magnesium.
56:36
[SPEAKER_02]: My knees seems really important, and then sometimes I'll take a bit of advill in the first few days, just calm my mind legs are pounding.
56:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So the IT, I slept like a rock every night, and I didn't hallucinate once in the IT, but on the Bruce Trail, every day I would see, they're called micro hallucinations, I would see stuff, I'd see people like applauding on the side of the trail, and there's no one there.
56:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the last 50 hours whenever I was like this is like
57:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this this second night whenever it started again dark again.
57:05
[SPEAKER_02]: This is my second night going with no sleep My vision started closing and I went where I was like doing the last push.
57:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like I felt like I was running back and forth back and forth back and forth and like I look I look on the I look on my my my my GPS and I'm like I look at I was looking at so many times after Bertrand didn't make sense I'm like
57:23
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was zoomed right in.
57:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I was moving straight, but it felt like I was going back and forth and then and then and then whenever whenever like it got really scary whenever I started here in my name being called Cody And that's whenever I start getting scary and then I said yeah, I've been like, you know, you can't you just like can't help yourself But you have to laugh buddy, you know, I'm like you're not dead.
57:45
[SPEAKER_02]: You're still moving and you just kind of have to like just shake it off and just keep going so
57:51
[SPEAKER_01]: it is a freaky freaky feeling I've experienced it a few times and I think your body's trying to tell you something like maybe it's time to take a nap.
58:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're doing is you're sleepwalking, you're going down the trail and you start going to a quasi-sleep state while you're still moving and I have one funny thing to mention
58:21
[SPEAKER_01]: came on the show years ago and she was doing an endurance paddling venture in a kayak and it was hundreds of miles I forget how far now.
58:30
[SPEAKER_01]: but it was supported so she pulls into a dock where a husband is like, okay, here's your snacks, here's your food, you know, and she looks at him.
58:37
[SPEAKER_01]: She says, um, is there a witch sitting on the front of my kayak right there on the point?
58:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, no, no, which is there.
58:44
[SPEAKER_01]: She goes, okay, good.
58:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go then.
58:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she goes, she keeps going.
58:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, that's the kind of thing that happens.
58:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've heard people talk at about that.
58:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people hallucinate about food.
58:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, oh.
58:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.
58:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone left a turkey dinner right there on the trail.
59:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
59:05
[SPEAKER_02]: It's uh, I've kind of prone to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I've definitely on on these races that I've done, like the hundred-ball races.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you don't get any sleep and you're still running, it's like, I'm hallucinating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like one time I saw Buddha on the side of the trail, like I straight up Buddha.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you want to be in it, then like turkeys when there's no turkeys, like super strange stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird when that happens and I would also say please don't do anything like this Where the the penalty is high.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean if you trip and fall on a trail That's one thing if you crash your car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's another, you know, don't push yourself this hard when when you've got a Dangerous result potentials absolutely well, Cody, thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep that version next one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you have a plan for the next one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to be doing the Vermont long trail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is actually considered a premier route on the FKTC site and I have to get a double verification.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really big athletes have done this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but but they've only done it from a point A to point B perspective So like I want to do is a note back unsported so it's 900 kilometers with 135,000 feet of climbing Oh, yeah, so I'll be I got my hands full, but like I just like I if from what for my understanding What's really cool about this trail is that if I get this done it will be the most amount of elevation gain for unsported ever
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's cool little stat that I found out so it's gonna be tough man Like like there's no question about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got my hands full whether I get like I used to be very comfy Like I got it, but now it's like I realized anything could happen You know even if I'm fit for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I could slip fall hurt myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like and it could happen So I'm just doing the best that I can to prepare for it now a lot of strength training and yeah, man, that's it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm more power to you, and as you've already learned, it's the little things that will take you down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So be careful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Cody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know there are a lot of people out there that want to learn more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they want to tap into the coaching that you offer, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How can people get in touch with you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I mean, I got Instagram, you could reach out to me at at Cody Taylor Performance, the business page is at Lift and New Normal, the website again, at what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: At Lift and New Normal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lift and New Normal, okay, that's that's the brand, that's my company, let me get to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got the clothing, we got the coaching and we got a website and find your new normal.ca and yeah man like my wife's new Trish and Coach, I'm a fitness and running coach but basically we just we want to see people just
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, be healthy and, you know, just whatever it is, man, whatever your goals are, whether it's like running your first five kilometer race or running your first hundred miles or or just like wanting to have more energy to play with their kids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like we kind of coach all these people and just trying to make this world a better place, so that's what we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for everyone out there, this guy's inspiring so much fun to talk to people like this, but you may not want to run 900 kilometers with a 55-pound pack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's not your thing, but there is something out there that you can find that'll inspire you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You so healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, until the next show, get out there and ask them fun.