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Tooth & Nail Records Tournament · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Today we have Eric mcclanahand with us. I'm super stoked for this episode because
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  this is gonna be a little different than what we've done before. You know,
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  for those who have listened to our episodes, our fantasy draft episodes before,
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  you know, we'll do these like fantasy things where we'll pick like a
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  team of like our favorite artists or whatever. But this is gonna be a
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  little different. This is actually a tournament, which Culin and I we've done
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  a tournament. Remember we did our two thousands medal core tournament back Dan Coke.
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  That was a fun episode. This is even more. This is big
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  time. This is sixty four teams. This is the actual like NC double
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  a tourney kind of tournament. But this is going to be a tournament of
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  the best tooth and nail bands. Okay, best tooth and nail bands.
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  But the thing is we're actually not picking the teams. This has already been
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  decided for us. So this is what's going to really throw it for a
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  loop. So our friend Eric McClanahan, over the last couple months has been
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  doing these really really cool tournaments that have been somewhat centered around like the Christian
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  music industry. You know, a couple months ago you did like the big
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  CCM one that blew up, and then now you just did this Tooth and
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  Nail one, and you've been doing some other ones as well. But as
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  soon as I found out you were doing the Tooth and Nail one, I
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  reached out and I was like, we need to talk about this because obviously
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  that's the scene of music that Cullen and I cover, And so it just
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  felt like the dumbest thing ever if we weren't getting you on the podcast to
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  talk about this tournament. But this has been a tournament that's going on,
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  has gone on for the last couple of weeks, and people thousands of people
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  have voted in and have gone round by round voting their favorite Tooth and Nail
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  artists through, and we're really excited to just kind of talk and recap.
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  So what we're gonna do is just literally go match up by matchup. So
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  we'll start in the first round matchups and then second, third, and so
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  forth, and we're just going to talk about kind of the matchups, like
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  was this do we think the people chose right? Did you know? Did
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  was this an upset that was worth the upset? Was was the team that
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  we thought would go all the way through the tournament getting through the tournament.
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  So anyway, we're just gonna talk and kind of recap matchup by matchup.
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  But with that said, are there any other things that we need to mention
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  culin well to add a little bit of pretext. Mason and I we muted
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  Eric on Twitter. Yes, solely for the idea that we didn't want to
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  know, you know, who was matched up against who, so we could
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  so we could talk about this fresh. Yeah, right, well, and
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  especially we did not want to know who the champion is. So as we're
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  recording right now, the champion has been declared. The polls have closed,
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  all right, So if you have you've been in line, get out of
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  line because the polls have closed and there has been a champion declared. But
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  the thing is, we don't know who it is yet. So what we're
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  gonna do is once we get to the championship round, we're actually all gonna
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  look on Twitter and see who the champion is. So we're just really really
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  stoked about that. Um So, Eric, tell us about yourself, man,
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  how did you get involved in doing these in the first place? Because
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  they're they're brilliant. Clearly you are a a like an encyclopedia of of Christian
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  music and alternative music. So, uh, what got you involved in these?
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  And what do you do for for life? Like what do you do
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  in your in your spare time and stuff? Well, what got me started
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  on these was, you know, I've you followed me for a while.
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  You know, I've a tweet in music that's kind of been my main thing
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  for for quite a while. A couple of my like choose one of these
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  albums. Tweets kind of took off and I kept getting more Christian music followers,
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  people who are interested in that, and somebody suggested around March that I
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  do a Christian music tournament and I was like, Okay, that sounds cool.
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  People would be into it. So I did that and uh it,
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  it got a lot of traction and people are like, okay, talked about
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  it. I think relevant even picked up on it, Like there was some
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  big, big names in the Christian industry that, not to mention, the
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  bands themselves were reaching out to you. So yeah, that's a pretty cool
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  deal, man. Yeah it was. It was. I did not expect
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  that at all. It turned into something I was not prepared for but uh
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  it was fun. Uh did that, did a couple other tournaments since then,
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  Music's just kind of always been my main hobby. You know, I
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  like sports and stuff like that, but music has always kind of been the
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  the thing that I spend my free time thinking about. So yeah, that's
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  kind of my start. Our goal here is to make you the Nate Silver
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  of Christian music. Hopefully we can hopefully we can get you there. Appreciate
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  and Eric, you are one of the few people, I think Collins one
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  of these other folks, but there are very few people that I know who
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  are as knowledgeable about the Christian music industry as you are. And there are
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  some very niche bands that you've talked about in the you know before that you
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  know, we've talked about, and you've talked about on Twitter and stuff where
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  I'm like, wow, I literally thought that I was the only other person
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  in the world that remembers that Christian band. It's pretty impressive. Well,
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  I appreciate that. It's it's been pretty cool to see also that I'm not
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  the only one who remembers some of those very small, niche bands who played
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  one music festival. Ever. Yeahn't that weird? Fun though, I will
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  say, though, Eric, you are by far the most knowledgeable person I
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  know on it. So I know Mason was trying to give me a little
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  credit, but I don't deserve any of that. You are like on the
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  next level. Man. I appreciate that. But you guys, you guys
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  know a lot too. My buddy Josh Baylog, he's the real encyclopedia of
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  Christian music. Everybody should follow him on Twitter too. I feel like this
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  is like one of those things where it's like, um, it's like every
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  therapist has a therapist, and we're just trying to like find whose therapist is,
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  like the Kingpin therapist. You know, somebody knows it all right to
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  find that person. All right? Should we get going through talking through these
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  matchups? Let's do it. I'm super stoked. Well, I think we
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  should maybe start like top left and then we'll just kind of I don't know
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  what's that. It's so western eyed of you. I think we should go.
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  I think we should go right right left? Should we go right left?
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  All right? Well, right, we'll start. Should we go top
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  right or bottom right? Let's go top right? All right? You want
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  the top? All right? Great? Yeah? So all right? So
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  the first matchup, the one and sixteen matchup is Germy Camp at number one,
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  and then Seventh Day Slumber at number sixteen, and we right out of
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  the gate already get a massive upset, a sixteen seed beating a number one
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  seed. Seventh Day Slumber barely squeaks by the number one seed, Germy Camp.
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  I honestly was not expecting this. These are like two artists that I'm
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  like, not all that interested in, but the fact that Seventh Day Slumber
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  was able to beat out Germany Camp is pretty impressive. Who, like,
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  did you guys think that that would happen at all? I did not think
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  that would happen. It actually makes me angry because I went to a Seventh
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  Day Slumber show one time and they played like three songs and they just preached
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  the rest of the time, and it pissed me off. So I didn't
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  expect it. It kind of pissed me off too, because as a bracketmaker,
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  you don't want to see a sixteen takedown one. That was a major
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  failure on my part there, I think. But well, speaking of which,
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  did you did you kind of rank these based off of like Spotify plays
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  or just like perceived popularity or what. I used a lot of Spotify numbers,
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  looked up the streaming numbers for every artist that had a chance of making
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  it, and I just generally know when kind of who's done well my other
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  tournaments and stuff. I used to allow that for seeding. And actually I
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  talked to someone who an anonymous source who will say knows a whole lot about
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  the bands in this tournament and got some pointers there too. Wow, and
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  the anonymous source we're already working with the cartel or what Jesus Well. One
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  of the things that's interesting about Dreaming Camp is he probably is, at least
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  like album sales wise, maybe the biggest tooth nail artists sales. Possibly he's
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  got four or five gold albums. Yeah, like like this is not like
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  a number one seed that like just happened to get a number one seed.
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  Like this is arguably maybe the at least popularity wise, probably the most popular
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  tooth and nail artist. Now here's what's going to be interesting. We'll see
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  this this run through. I think the rest of the tournament, there are
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  going to be artists who are technically on tooth and nail, but a lot
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  of tooth and nail fans aren't necessarily fans of those bands, right right,
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  they just happen to be on Tooth and Nail. I think, honestly,
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  I think like Thousand Foot Crutch is sort of in that vein of the like
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  the average Tooth and Nail fan wasn't particularly interested in in TFK, but TFK
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  was just a big band outside of Tooth and Nail. So I think we're
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  gonna see that through line throughout this entire tournament. But this is one example
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  of that of Jeremy Camp being technically a Tooth and Nail artist, but people
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  really like who all the Tooth and Nail fans aren't like, particularly Jeremy Camp
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  fans, right All Jeremy Camp fans are outside of the Tooth and Nail world.
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  That said, I would love to know how many albums, other albums
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  that we love that Jeremy Camp essentially bankrolled. That's true, inevitably true,
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  It is very true. Yeah, there are so many. Yeah, I
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  bet there's a few artists on here that even artists that we don't really like,
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  but they have made Tooth and Nail a lot of money where they you
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  know, they Tooth and Nail use that money to fund some other bands that
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  weren't going to be as profitable. But anyway, well, number one seed
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  goes down and so seventh they slumber moves on. Who are they going to
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  compete against? It is between kJ five two at the eighth seed and Falling
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  Up as the nine seed, and again barely squeaking by Falling Up beats kJ
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  five two. Any surprises here? What are your thoughts about this matchup?
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  I thought I thought it would be a close one, of course, you
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  know, maybe being the Falling Up fanboy that I am, I was,
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  I was hoping. I was hoping it would be a favorable matchup for them.
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  But I mean, people like kJ five two is interacted with my tweets
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  and stuff, so I was like, he could easily get ahold of this
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  and retweet it and wined up. But he never never responded to people tagging
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  him in it and stuff. So wow, he's too busy pastoring, I
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  guess. So yeah, I don't really. I liked Falling Up way more
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  than kJ five two, although I don't really have an affinity for either one
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  of these artists, but I do think Falling Up is genuinely a much better
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  artist, just like artistically I'm an agreement. So yeah, anyway, I
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  guess like no surprises there. It wasn't eight versus nine matchup, so it
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  should have been close, and it was close, which you know, and
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  like actual NCABI tournament game, like you want to see a good eight nine
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  matchup. So that worked out well, all right, So falling Up is
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  going to be matched up against seven Day Slumber. We're gonna get back to
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  that once we get to the second round. But next matchup, Disciple versus
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  Joy Electric. This is one that, like I was just talking about this
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  whole like through line of tooth and Nail artists that weren't really all that loved
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  by tooth and Nail fans, this is one that actually surprises me. Joy
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  Electric is beloved by older tooth and Nail fans, and the fact that it
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  was as far of a or it was as much of a win by Disciple
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  really surprised me. I would have thought Joy Electric at the very least would
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  have put up more of a fight, but ultimately Disciple kind of handed it
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  to him. I think I think this one is because Disciple had that one
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  album that actually went pretty hard, so hard that somebody even busted their eye
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  open too. This is very true. Mason has a very fun story he
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  could probably share real quickly here. Yeah, So Cullen and I when O,
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  gosh, this is like what fifteen years ago now, Culin. It
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  was like one of the first years that you and I were friends, and
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  we went down to Prooking's because Disciple it was like Disciple Project eighty six.
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  There was another kind of big band for Chi Children eighteen three. That's right.
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  So those three bands were playing and h during Disciple, I was we
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  were right up front and it's one of those uh that they were on a
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  stage that was sort of probably like chest high, and I was headbanging along.
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  I think it was even to like that big song called game On I
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  Love that one. And I was headbanging and I hit my head on one
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  of those monitors that was right on the stage right there. And initially,
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  like I was like, oh, like I hit my head and I didn't
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  really think much of it. But then I started feeling like a lot of
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  like liquid like going down my face, and I'm like, this feels more
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  than just sweat, and I like wipe my hand and I just see like
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  red everywhere on my hand. I'm like, oh, shit, and so
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  I go over immediately they like, these people see my like head bleeding,
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  and so they give me a towel really quick. I guess there was like
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  a nurse in the back. So I go to this nurse and she looks
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  at it and she's like, oh, you for sure needs stitches, and
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  so I have to call my mom. The funny story about this and me
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  calling my mom is before I left my mom. So it was Cullin and
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  a couple of our friends and we're going to be staying in this town that
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  was about forty five minutes away from where we grew up, and all of
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  them were older than me. Colin was a couple years older than me,
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  and the rest of the guys were older than me. And my mom told
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  me, she was like, all right, Mason, I trust these guys.
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  I totally trust them. But if you happen to find yourself in a
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  situation where there's alcohol and you feel uncomfortable. Because I was like seventh or
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  eighth grade at this point, I was really young, and she was like,
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  if you find yourself in a situation where you feel really uncomfortable, where
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  there's alcohol, just know you can call me right away and we will be
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  the bad cops about this, and we will will get you and take you
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  out of that situation. So she gets this call at like what is it
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  ten o'clock at night when I busted my head open, and she's immediately thinking,
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  oh shit, Colin took out a bunch of alcohol and they're all drinking
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  now, and sure enough that's not the case. I was like, mom,
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  I broke my head open. She was like what. I'm like,
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  yeah, I like my eyebrow, like I hit my head on this thing
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  and my eyebrows bleeding, and I'm being told that I need stitches. So
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  the nurse I grabs the phone and she was like, yeah, I'm a
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  nurse and he really needs stitches. So Colin takes me to the emergency room.
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  I get my stitches and we come back because we thought maybe the show
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  is still going on by the time that I get done with my stitches.
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  We come back and they were like tearing down everything. The merch table is
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  starting to get torn down, and the band was right there, Disciple and
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  they were like, um, you guys are a little late for this show,
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  and we're like no, no, no. We were there and then
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  like this happened at the point to my stitches and they're like what and they're
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  like, did that happen at our show? And we're like, yeah,
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  that happened at your show, and so then they gave me a free CD.
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  So it was pretty cool. It was probably the most metal moment at
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  any Disciple show, so that's true. It's true, all right. So
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  Disciple is going on to the second round. The next matchup, so who
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  they'll go against is either between Hawk Nelson and Bibo Norman, so A four.
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  I find this one hilarious. This is really really funny and very convincingly
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  Hawk Nelson wins, which does not surprise me at all. I don't think
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  there's any surprise here. Honestly, I forgot that Bibo Norman was even on
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  Tooth and Nail, like for what a couple albums. Yeah, I forgot
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  that too, to be honest, until I was researching this. That was
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  a hilarious matchup. But Hawk Nelson moves on and they'll be going against Disciple.
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  Yeah. I was pretty surprised that even Bibo Norman would even make this
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  tournament. But he must streaming numbers must be really big or what. Well,
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  I put him in because um, I wanted some of the more mainstream
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  CCM followers of mine to have a little bit more interest in it than they
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  would have more variety. Yeah, if you know, somebody else had had
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  been in that spot. So but apparently there weren't many people who were interested
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  in him being there. That is true, just true, all right.
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  So the next matchup, and I honestly I don't even know one of these
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  artists. Project eighty six versus ten seventh? What is this Seventh Time Down?
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  Well, seventh Time Down. I don't think I've ever heard this artist
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  in my life who is Seventh Time Down. They are kind of like a
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  I've not listened to a whole other stuff. From what I gather, they're
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  kind of like a rock worship kind of kind of like Seventh Day Slumbers,
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  more worship full stuff. But one of their songs has like two hundred million
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  streams or something like that. So what years were they on Tooth and Nail?
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  Um, It's it's been recent. I think like they're they're they're big
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  song. I think came out like twenty nineteen or something like that. Really,
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  yeah, I am completely unfamiliar, but I think partly because there's such
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  a new artist to Tooth and Nail, and Project eighty six is such a
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  storied artist on tooth and Nail. Yeah, they just absolutely demolished them ninety
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  percent to ten percent. That's uh, there's a there's no gonna there's not
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  gonna be a recount for this one. Let's put it that one. Definitely
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  not Florida anyway, any thoughts around Project eighty six. Eighty six just absolutely
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  dominating right away. I suppose we'll come back around, we can share some
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  more stories with Project eighty six. But yeah, yeah, this isn't a
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  surprise to me. I don't know eric was a surprise to you at all.
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  Uh. No, I actually had seventh time down as the sixteen seed
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  until talking with the source, and I was talked into them being higher.
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  So I didn't really expect a lot from them. I bet you you probably
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  get a lot of hate for how you seedd uh these artists. I always
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  do this one, um, this one. I actually think that I've had
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  least less height about this one out of any of the three so far.
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  Yeah, I mean, like I don't disagree so much with some of the
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  seeding. I mean there's like a few where I'm like I would have like,
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  maybe that put that one a little higher or lower or whatever. But
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  for the most part, I do generally agree with your seeding, so I
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  think you're pretty good on that. All right, So next one is cutless
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  versus nine lashes. Cutlass easily wins against nine lashes. I feel I know
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  what cutlass sounds like, is nine lashes kind of a cutlass sea sounding man
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  too, right, I'm not really familiar with them. Yeah, I think
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  they're a little bit heavier. I've not listened to a whole lot. Yeah,
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  just maybe skillet type disciple. Right, It is remarkable how many of
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  those artists are on tooth and nail And again, like these are artists that
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  are they happen to be on tooth and nail, but they're not beloved by
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  tooth and nail fans really, right, Like Seventh Day Slumber is one of
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  those cut list I feel like maybe a little bit more than others, but
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  nine Lashes, this Seventh Time Down band, Like, there are a lot
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  of these bands that have that kind of like sort of a butt rock sound.
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  I don't know how else to like describe it, but they have a
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  butt rock sound and literally you could be any band with a butt rock sound,
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  even on Tooth and Nail, and you will become a massive band.
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  It's unbelievable how successful those bands end up becoming. Yeah, they've clearly done
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  pretty well with switching from pure album sales to streaming as far as signing these
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  kinds of bands because they're streaming. Numbers are ridiculous for these kinds of bands.
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  Well, that's our friend Jeremy Schaeffer, who has his own recording studio.
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  He says a lot of a lot of the bands that come in and
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  work with him are like that active rock kind of sound, and he says,
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  you would be surprised at how many more album sales they will have compared
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  to anything the Earth Owns does, which is his band, or or anything
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  in that realm. It's just it's just so much more palatable to the general
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  audience. And those guys who wear like the clean Hands dirty or dirty dirty
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  Hands, clean money shirts or whatever. You know. Yeah, it's it's
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  it's directed towards them. But that is a larger proportion of the population than
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  I think what we often give it credit for. So Cutlass defeats nine Lashes,
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  and we'll face up against Project eighty six in the second round. Next
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  one Plink Eye versus Manifest. I saw this maybe a couple of years ago.
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  I remember Manifest being like this white Canadian rapper guy, and maybe I
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  listened to a song or two back when he first got signed to Tooth and
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  Nail, but I looked him up like having just totally he was off my
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  radar for probably like ten years at least, and then looked him up one
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  day because I was like, oh, that's an artist. I remember like,
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  this is probably one of those rappers that you know, did like a
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  Tooth and Nail album or two and then like called it quits and probably has
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  maybe a few hundred monthly listeners on Spotify. How wrong could I event he
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  is massive on Spotify. I had no idea that he got as big as
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  he did. But also Plink Eye again is one of those bands that even
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  though they might not be big and streaming streaming numbers, they are beloved,
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  especially by older Tooth and Nail fans, And so this is a tough matchup
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  against Manifest, and ultimately plink I actually pretty handily wins, but I still
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  cannot believe how big manifests got after I totally forgot about him. Yeah,
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  he did a bunch of stuff with like Toby Mack and stuff like that.
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  Right, is that what is that where he kind of got his start if
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  I remember right? It likely. I do know he had one song that
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  was big that I didn't even know. It was kind of like a pump
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  up type song, but I remember hearing that maybe in like the late early
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  two tens or late two thousands or something, but I remember that song being
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  pretty big, and even on Spotify. I think it's one of his bigger
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  songs. But I just cannot but I mean, he's got several hundreds of
• 23:07
  thousands of monthly listeners. I mean he he's still probably make an entire career
• 23:11
  just out of music. Yeah, yeah, it has to be. I
• 23:14
  think it was. I think when I was researching it, he had a
• 23:18
  let's see, nine hundred and six thousand monthly listeners, almost a million monthly
• 23:22
  listeners. Yeah, almost for this guy who you would totally think that would
• 23:26
  have fizzled out immediately. But yeah, he's made it that, he's made
• 23:30
  it. That's more monthly listeners and like your than like your one hit wonders
• 23:34
  from the nineties, right, Yeah, let's see, Yeah some of them.
• 23:38
  Yeah, certainly, he probably had about the third most monthly listeners of
• 23:45
  any arts done here. I bet Manifest has more monthly listeners. I bet
• 23:48
  Manifest has twice as many monthly listeners as Rusted Route. Yeah probably all right.
• 23:57
  Plank guy, though, ultimately prevails. Even though we've been talking about
• 24:00
  the NFS, I do really like plank I actually a lot. They were
• 24:04
  one of those bands that had such a quintessential eighty like late nineties sound that
• 24:10
  fits so perfectly in Tooth and Nail. And again they were beloved. I
• 24:12
  mean people loved plank I, big following, huge following. Still listening to
• 24:18
  them today, a lot of people do. So they would honestly, they
• 24:21
  would be if if Furnace Best brought them back, they would be au they
• 24:26
  would be a headliner on that one kind of emo indie stage. I bet
• 24:29
  Colin I guarantee it. Yeah. Maybe maybe not quite a headliner, but
• 24:33
  they'd be. Uh, they'd be. They'd be towards the top of the
• 24:37
  list for sure. I mean, they are that beloved. But anyway,
• 24:40
  plank I ultimately prevails. Who are they going to be matched up against?
• 24:45
  Well, because either gonna be Oc super Tones or Citizens. This does feel
• 24:49
  like kind of a one of those matchups where it's just totally outmatched. Uh
• 24:55
  Oc super Tunes Again, such a beloved band in the Tooth and Nail world,
• 25:00
  and Citizens is just so new that it's hard to like build up that
• 25:03
  cult following that you really need for a tournament like this. But Citizens,
• 25:07
  aren't they kind of more I don't and I haven't really listened to that much.
• 25:11
  Are they kind of more of one of those worshipee kind of artists?
• 25:14
  Yeah, they came out of the Mars Hill uh kind of worship band.
• 25:18
  Uh. So they're like King's Kleidoscope then, yeah, I think they don't
• 25:22
  quote me on that. I think I think they came from I know they
• 25:26
  were. They were, you know, in that same kind of scene with
• 25:29
  King's Collis Scope. So maybe I just assumed they came from. Okay,
• 25:32
  maybe not. But nonetheless they're one of those bands that, again, they
• 25:36
  just are I think probably too new, and especially these worship bands or mostly
• 25:41
  worship bands that were a part of Tooth and Nail. They might have done
• 25:45
  well saleswise, but the fan base is going to is going to be more
• 25:49
  passionate about a band like OC super Tones, and certainly that was the case.
• 25:53
  So OC super Tones moves on and they will be competing against plink Eye
• 25:59
  in the next round. All right. So that's one region. Now we
• 26:03
  move on to the next region. Do we want to go bottom right,
• 26:06
  Cullen or where do we want to go here? Yeah? We might as
• 26:08
  well, all right, So now we're on the bottom right region. Number
• 26:12
  one seed versus number sixteen seed under Oath versus O Sleeper. This is one
• 26:18
  where I thought O Sleeper was probably this is where I would have disagreed with
• 26:22
  some of your seeding here. O Sleeper still probably has a like maybe one
• 26:26
  hundred thousand or more monthly listeners, and they're also beloved by tooth and nail
• 26:32
  bands. I thought they would be higher than a sixteen seed, not to
• 26:37
  say that they should be higher than maybe like a thirteen seed or something,
• 26:40
  But I was really shocked when I saw this matchup, and I honestly thought
• 26:45
  that this could be closer than maybe, you know, as much as under
• 26:49
  Oath is so beloved, like there are a lot of O Sleeper fans out
• 26:52
  there, and I thought it might be a little bit closer for a one
• 26:55
  versus sixteen matchup, but ultimately under Oath prevails and I didn't. I didn't
• 27:00
  fill out of bracket, but I would have had under earthcoing to the championships,
• 27:04
  so this would have this would have for sure been a pick for under
• 27:07
  Oath for me, even though I really like Oh Sleeper. Any thoughts on
• 27:10
  this one, I would agree with you, Mason. Yeah, I am
• 27:14
  kind of surprised that they were sixteen seed, but looking at the rest of
• 27:17
  the seedings here, it does make sense because there's a lot of bands kind
• 27:21
  of in that same realm as own Sleeper. Um, you know, if
• 27:25
  you're talking like hasa Day or Silent Plant or Fit for a King, Like,
• 27:27
  they're all kind of in that same I would say echelon, but they're
• 27:33
  so close you got to see them somewhere. So I get this sixteen seed.
• 27:37
  That's yeah, I think you can make a case for them up to
• 27:40
  about thirteen. Um, I definitely probably should have had them at least fifteen
• 27:45
  or fourteen. But before seating becoming the Archetypes. One of those fans that
• 27:51
  I felt like I had a lot of fans of who were, you know,
• 27:56
  followers of mine on Twitter, so I kind of gave them the benefit
• 27:59
  of the doubt there. Then once I released the bracket, I realized,
• 28:00
  oh, I got a lot of those Sleeper fans here too, So yeah,
• 28:03
  that was a that was a miss seed on my part. Anytime we've
• 28:07
  talked to Jason and Seth from becoming the archetype, they really put themselves really
• 28:12
  below in that echelon of those metal those metal bands on Solid State, and
• 28:18
  I guarantee that they would have put O Sleeper higher than them, just knowing
• 28:25
  they're also they're also annoyingly humble. Wow, that's true. That's true.
• 28:30
  But anyway, I honestly it was a tough matchup for me because I really
• 28:34
  do like Oh Sleepers. You know, Under Oath is one of my favorite
• 28:37
  bands of all time, and so obviously I was gonna pick them, but
• 28:40
  for a one versus sixteen seed, I wish it would have been an easier
• 28:42
  choice for me, But ultimately I picked Under Oath. And it's tough to
• 28:47
  see O Sleeper, you know, they I feel like they are a band
• 28:49
  that at least deserves to be in the second round, and so it's tough
• 28:52
  that they got such a hard matchup right away. But anyway, I would
• 28:55
  go as so far as to say it everything in this section of the bracket
• 28:59
  is there's no easy there's no easy ones in this section of the bracket.
• 29:03
  They're all gonna be difficult. And I'm just realizing this. This part of
• 29:07
  the bracket is almost all, if not all, exclusively Solid State bands,
• 29:11
  right, yeah, this is yeah solid State posts post nineties or at least
• 29:15
  are released something in the in the two thousands or tens on solid State right
• 29:19
  sure, yeah? What how did you kind of was there thought going on
• 29:23
  in these regions? Like how how did you kind of figure regions stuff out?
• 29:29
  Like? Because there clearly are themes in each one of these regions.
• 29:32
  Yeah. Yeah. The top left is uh is nineties artis who released stuff
• 29:37
  in the nineties. Um, I wanted there. The main reason that I
• 29:42
  separated them into categories is because the numbers and stuff of the nineties artists are
• 29:48
  just not comparable with right, with the newer artists, So I decided to
• 29:53
  make a region for that. So I just decided to also do one for
• 29:59
  for EC And then on the bottom left is the two thousands and tens tooth
• 30:04
  and nail Um and then on the bottom right solid state. So you have
• 30:11
  the b EC at the top right crackt. But was oc super Tones a
• 30:15
  BEC band? H Yep they were, Oh I didn't realize that, Okay,
• 30:19
  huh? And yeah, Hawk Nelson was later on with their more worshiping
• 30:25
  stuff that would make interesting and Disciple was too. Yeah some some of them.
• 30:30
  You know, we're back and forth between a couple of the the Um
• 30:34
  labels. So just kind of what whatever I had extra room for for man,
• 30:41
  that's kind of where U where slotted the minute. I think it makes
• 30:45
  perfect sense, man, all right, So under Oath moves on, probably
• 30:51
  expected to at least the second round, so second matchup in that region.
• 30:56
  He's the Day versus Silent Planet then is a tough one for a lot of
• 31:00
  people. But say He's the Day. I thought this was gonna be really
• 31:04
  really close. He's the Day pretty convincingly one. I don't remember if I
• 31:08
  voted He's the Day or Silent Planet. I love both bands a lot,
• 31:11
  and this was probably in the first round one of the harder picks for me,
• 31:17
  but I ended up again. I don't know who it was, but
• 31:21
  obviously Hasta Day pretty convincingly one. Any thoughts around this one this one makes
• 31:26
  perfect sense to me as well. Um, yeah, like Silent Planet's big
• 31:32
  now, they've had some killer, killer albums and they have a kind of
• 31:34
  that cult falling, but so does Hasta Day, and they've just been around
• 31:37
  a little longer, so I think it makes sense. Yeah, I wasn't,
• 31:41
  honestly, I wasn't real sure which which way that one would go.
• 31:45
  Just I don't I don't have a spirm of a grasp on the modern metal
• 31:48
  course scene as I did in the you know, in the two thousands,
• 31:53
  So I kind of wasn't sure what kind of numbers Silent Planet, which you're
• 31:56
  full, but sure, Well, hast to Day we'll be at Furnace Fests
• 32:01
  year. Also, Eric, are you gonna be at Fernace Festus year?
• 32:05
  I don't think I'm gonna make it this year. Oh I got to meet
• 32:09
  you guys there last year. Um, and I was there the year before.
• 32:14
  Um, it's just a lot going on. Shoot. Yeah, well,
• 32:19
  no hast To Day reunion for you. No, we'll see in twenty
• 32:23
  right hopefully. All right, cool, we'll try to make sure that that
• 32:29
  actually happened. So all right, So hast to Day versus under Oath,
• 32:31
  that's gonna be a fun matchup. Next one Fit for a King versus Acidities
• 32:37
  Burned. Again. Here's one of these things where it's like as Cities Burned
• 32:40
  really has a cult following among tooth and nail people. I mean they they
• 32:45
  they were right in that same era that Under Oath was getting big, and
• 32:50
  Acidities Burned was such a such a beloved band at that time, and uh,
• 32:55
  Fit for a King their numbers are big, they're huge, but they
• 33:00
  don't have quite the cult following that Acidities Burn does, and Acidities Burned pretty
• 33:06
  convincingly beats Fit for a King as a twelve seed over a five seed,
• 33:10
  which I think might surprise some people, But honestly, Acidies Burn really does
• 33:15
  have that cult following. Honestly, I'm one of those people we've we've interviewed
• 33:19
  Fit for a King. They're great, wonderful, but Acidities Burn is one
• 33:22
  of my favorite bands of all time. Yeah. Same. You compare the
• 33:25
  streaming numbers Fit for a King monthly listeners nine hundred and sixty four thousand,
• 33:31
  two sides Burns thirty nine thousand, it's hard to believe that that might be.
• 33:39
  I would be really curious to see in these matchups. What is the
• 33:45
  biggest disparity between streaming numbers, and especially if there's an upset with one of
• 33:52
  those, that would be this might be one of the biggest ones. That's
• 33:57
  incredible. It's it's hard to believe that acids burn has that few of streaming
• 34:01
  numbers, and I can I think of them as like in that two thousands
• 34:07
  era of especially Solid State. I think of them as one of the bigger
• 34:12
  bands, and it is really hard to believe that they just weren't able to
• 34:15
  like make it over that hump in a lot of you know, in comparison
• 34:20
  to some of those other Solid State bands. It's really hard to believe.
• 34:23
  Yeah, but I think there's another like instance in which you can look at
• 34:28
  the Spotify numbers and it's it's one of those that will lie to you.
• 34:30
  It's a number that will lie to you, right, because I do think
• 34:35
  that they're that they're probably worth more than thirty nine thousand streams. Maybe more
• 34:38
  people are listening on CD or on vinyl or right something else, maybe on
• 34:45
  MP three players or iPods. I don't know, but I can't believe that
• 34:49
  they have such few. There are several that really surprised me. Like having
• 34:54
  under ten thousand strength Plank Eyes studies like are both under ten thousand monthly listeners.
• 35:00
  Wow, yeah, that blows my mind. But here's the thing.
• 35:02
  Each one of those people, if let's say, if like Stave Saker or
• 35:06
  plank I went on tour right now, each one of those people would for
• 35:08
  sure go and buy a ticket. So, like, you know that you
• 35:12
  have roughly ten thousand tickets, you know, in comparison to a band like
• 35:15
  Fit for a King, who has almost a million monthly listeners, I guarantee
• 35:17
  you that most of those million people would not buy a ticket right now to
• 35:22
  see ye Fit for a King. Well, and we see that. We
• 35:24
  see that with our downloads on the podcast too. I mean we'll have on
• 35:28
  like the guitars from skid Row and that one does half as good as when
• 35:34
  we have Derek Webbon for instance. It's just it's like what it's surprises,
• 35:37
  It makes sense. But yeah, that there is something about like kind of
• 35:42
  that cult following thing that happens. It's really interesting. Yeah, I mean
• 35:46
  Stave Sacre is probably one of our bigger episodes I would say maybe like top
• 35:50
  ten or so, you know, and we've had Fit for a king on
• 35:54
  and I bet, I bet they have more monthly listener you know, Stave
• 35:58
  Sakers had more downloads in Fit for a King From and there's a lot of
• 36:04
  other factors to that, but it is it does say that, you know,
• 36:07
  if if a band is willing to share an episode, uh share our
• 36:10
  episode, though, you can tell what bands have the cult following. I
• 36:15
  mean, it's just it's clear as day, all right, So that is
• 36:21
  uh, sorry, We're I'm twelve. Now we're onto demon Hunter versus Demon
• 36:27
  Hunter versus He is Legend. Obviously, I know what you would pick,
• 36:31
  Cullen, Yeah, this one, this one's so like mean to But actually
• 36:37
  I was really surprised that Demon Hunter was this low. Demon Hunter is one
• 36:39
  of those bands that has actually like pretty good streaming numbers and has a very
• 36:45
  dedicated tooth and nail following, and so that I was really shocked by the
• 36:52
  fact that they were a number four seed. I'm not like the biggest Demon
• 36:54
  Hunter fan, so I wouldn't have like put them probably really any higher,
• 36:58
  but just personally, but it was shocking that they were at number four.
• 37:02
  But this is a tough matchup for He is Legend and ultimately demon Hunter wins
• 37:08
  pretty convincingly. Yeah, I find this one kind of unfortunate because if you
• 37:14
  think about like like he his legend for instance, had songs on like video
• 37:20
  games and stuff like that, and and in movies even and for some reason
• 37:27
  like their popularity even though like they had that cult following just like demon Hunter
• 37:30
  does. Um, their popularity never really took off quite the same way as
• 37:36
  Demon Hunter. But demon Hunter doesn't really have a song that like everyone knows
• 37:39
  either, So right, it's it's it's a goofy one to me, it
• 37:44
  is, what do you think about that? Um, I'm streaming as far
• 37:49
  as all these bands in this region, uh streaming wise, there were five
• 37:53
  the top five seeds as significantly more streams than any of the ones underneath.
• 38:00
  Um, so I'm not surprised that demon Hunter, who has five times the
• 38:07
  strings of his legend one. And I feel like kind of his legend has
• 38:10
  that. You know, I'm I'm Hollywood's a really beloved album. But yeah,
• 38:16
  I think demon Hunter. One thing I learned through someone I follow on
• 38:21
  Twitter who tweeted, you know, quote tweet with the song that made you
• 38:24
  a fan of metal, and I think second to Living Sacrifice was demon Hunters
• 38:30
  with number of people who SITS, so I think they're they're a gateway band
• 38:35
  for a lot of people that I could see that, which is interesting to
• 38:37
  me because they're not really that accessible through a lot of most people, you
• 38:42
  know, but you know, the United States military beloves them, so there's
• 38:47
  a there's a multi billion dollar funding for the defense they've got, They've got
• 38:54
  a lot of backing that. Actually that actually reminds me of something I've thought
• 39:00
  through, is what's cool about these tournaments that you've been doing, Eric,
• 39:05
  is there have been enough people engaging in it where I think you could actually
• 39:09
  make legitimate conclusions about what, like you know about what's happening in these tournaments.
• 39:17
  You know, it would be one thing if like five people were voting
• 39:21
  and that's it, But you have several thousand people and I don't remember what
• 39:27
  like the whole like kind of standard for like making sociological conclusions is. But
• 39:31
  you're getting enough people where it's probably you're starting to get really close to making
• 39:36
  some conclusions sociologically about some of these bands, which is really interesting because you
• 39:40
  just have so much engagement with these with these tournaments. So that's really cool,
• 39:45
  is that like you could probably like, like, if somebody were to
• 39:49
  do a PhD on tooth and nail history, they could probably actually cite this
• 39:52
  as a legitimate source because of how many people are engaging in it. That
• 39:58
  would be pretty awesome. Well, I'm glad people were into it. So
• 40:01
  demon Hunter beats out. He is legend. Really unfortunate pick for just an
• 40:07
  unfortunate draw, for he is legend. I really like he is legend much
• 40:10
  more than demon Hunter, but it is what it is. This next one
• 40:15
  that people were bushed with you about this one, this one, this one
• 40:19
  feels like you definitely hand your you had your hand in this, uh this
• 40:23
  selection, but Norman Jean versus the Cherry Yet people were so mad at you
• 40:30
  for this. This was awesome and it actually ended up Actually I wasn't surprised.
• 40:37
  Actually, I really thought that wherever the Chariot was gonna be on this,
• 40:42
  I don't think they were gonna make it out of the first round,
• 40:45
  likely unless they got it like a really easy draw versus like some band like
• 40:50
  I don't know, Likethold or something. But I really was not thinking that
• 40:55
  the Chariot was going to get out of the first round anyway, Even though
• 40:59
  they're my favorite band of all time. But the fact that you put them
• 41:01
  against Norma Jean, Oh you did it dirty, Eric, Yeah, I'm
• 41:09
  sure you had a hand in that, right. I thought it would be
• 41:12
  fun. Um most people did not, but I think Norma Jane had to
• 41:20
  be the six um, so I was. I was figuring the chariot anywhere
• 41:24
  between nine and you know, twelve or so, so I was like,
• 41:30
  yeah, i'd be kind of This is also, again a seating thing where
• 41:32
  I was really surprised that Norma Jean was this low in terms of obviously streaming
• 41:37
  numbers. Norma Jeane isn't going to be quite as big as like a Fit
• 41:39
  for a King or whatever. But Norma Jean is kind of like kind of
• 41:45
  this perfect mix of a band where they're just big enough where they do have
• 41:49
  pretty decent streaming numbers, like I bet they're probably over two hundred thousand monthly
• 41:52
  listeners two hundred and nine thousand, yeah, and they're also like each one
• 41:57
  of those people are probably going to buy an album them or actually go to
• 42:00
  one of their shows, Like they have pretty large shows for the most part
• 42:05
  if they play a big enough city. And I was a little surprised then
• 42:08
  that they would be a number six seed, you know, in comparison to
• 42:12
  like other number six seeds like Copeland, Like Copeland is not going to be
• 42:15
  drawing the same people at a crowd as Norma Geene is. Or who else
• 42:20
  did you have as a sixteed Project eighty six? Maybe slick Shoes, probably
• 42:24
  not. But anyway, there were some other six seeds where I'm like,
• 42:28
  Norma Jeene seems to be a way better six seed than all the other six
• 42:30
  seeds, which to me was like, maybe they should have been a little
• 42:34
  higher. I could see Norma Jeene being like a number three seed maybe,
• 42:37
  But anyway that I was a little surprised how low they actually were on that
• 42:42
  it didn't feel right putting them there. But like I said, the top
• 42:45
  fives streaming numbers were so much more than the next the next set, and
• 42:53
  you know, really all I have to go buys is that and just a
• 42:57
  general impression of people. And it was also kind of hard to compare the
• 43:01
  the newer the newer bands like Fit for a King with somebody like Norma Jeene,
• 43:06
  because like I said, I uh, ashamedly, I'm not as into
• 43:12
  the medical we're seen as I used to be, so I don't really have
• 43:15
  a feel for how dedicated the fans of a band like Fit for a King
• 43:19
  are. Sure, Yeah, I mean I understand the case for them to
• 43:24
  be higher, but like um, the Devil wors Product, August Burns read
• 43:29
  under Oath all uh have you know, way more streams and probably um that
• 43:37
  makes sense, and especially if this region is going to be like more of
• 43:39
  a solid state region, I get from like a streaming standpoint to have them
• 43:44
  a little lower. But I do think, like Norma Jean in comparison to
• 43:47
  some of these other ones, like they're they deserve to be higher. If
• 43:52
  if it was completely intermixed, I think they would have been higher. But
• 43:54
  anyway, that's that's my only gripe with that one. Honestly, I think
• 43:59
  I probably voted for the Chariot just because they're my favorite band, but also,
• 44:01
  like I would say, Norma Jean might be like a top five favorite
• 44:05
  artist of all time for me, So like you know, this is like
• 44:07
  really like you know, trying to choose your favorite child type of thing.
• 44:10
  I'm surprised it was such a such a wide margin of difference. I wasn't
• 44:16
  expecting it to be seventy thirty. You know, I was expecting it to
• 44:19
  be closer to like a fifty fifty draw, so kind of a kind of
• 44:22
  an impressive one to me, I don't know. All right, So Norma
• 44:28
  Jean moves on and they will be competing against either August Burns Rad or Wolves
• 44:32
  at the Gate. August Burns RAD number three. That makes sense to me
• 44:37
  that, I mean, they are such a big band in that world.
• 44:39
  It wasn't interesting that Wolves at the Gate even got into this. But you
• 44:42
  know, Wolves at the Gate does have pretty good streaming numbers, and so
• 44:45
  we've interviewed them once and great, great, great folks. But yeah,
• 44:52
  I feel like August Burns Rad versus Wolves at the Gate that seems like kind
• 44:57
  of a countessential matchup of like what I would expect a three versus fourteen with
• 45:00
  these two bands. And also August Burns read wins in as what I would
• 45:06
  consider as much of a convincing fashion as it should be with Wolves at the
• 45:08
  Gate. So yeah, this feels like a very quintessential. This is exactly
• 45:14
  how you would expect this matchup to go. Yep, yeah, Wolves at
• 45:17
  the Gate. Um they had they had the streaming numbers worth worth being there.
• 45:22
  But also I know, like my friends who write for Jesus Freak hide
• 45:25
  Out and stuff are a real big fans of them. So I knew that
• 45:29
  I had some some wolves at the gate devotees, yeah, involved in this,
• 45:36
  So that's kind of why I put them in there. There's some of
• 45:37
  the more vocal fans on online from what I've seen too, h so they've
• 45:44
  definitely got that cult like following starting to starting to boil up. Also,
• 45:47
  speaking of Jesus Freak hide Out, we need to get those folks on this
• 45:51
  podcast calling that's a great point. I don't know, we haven't even thought
• 45:53
  about that. We should do that. They're all great guys. You Eric,
• 45:58
  you could you connect them with us and we'll make that happen. That
• 46:00
  would be my whole like gateway into all of this was mostly because of Jesus
• 46:06
  Free Cude Out. So that would be it'd be it would be an honor
• 46:08
  for both Colin and I'm all right. So August Burns Red versus Norma Jean
• 46:13
  in the second round. What a hell of a matchup right there, all
• 46:15
  right? So next one in this region, Living Sacrifice Number seventh Seed versus
• 46:21
  Dead Poetic, This one surprised the hell out of me. This does not
• 46:25
  surprise me who wins? But I yeah, this this also feels like this
• 46:30
  is so close because Dead Poetic still is actually has really great streaming numbers honestly,
• 46:37
  which which surprises that surprises me so so much. I would it is
• 46:42
  shocking that I do think like Dead Poetic with their streaming numbers. I think
• 46:46
  it really signifies, or at least it tells the story that they could have
• 46:51
  been so much bigger had they not quit so early. But versus Living Sacrifice,
• 46:57
  I mean Living Sacrifice. If Colin, if we got Live Sacrifice on
• 47:00
  and they actually shared the episode, it'd probably be one of our biggest I
• 47:02
  mean, that's how dedicated this fan base is. So it was actually pretty
• 47:07
  close. Fifty four percent Living Sacrifice versus forty six percent Dead Poetic. It
• 47:10
  was pretty close. But yeah, this was a pretty tough matchup. And
• 47:16
  uh, I don't remember who I voted. I mean maybe I voted Dead
• 47:19
  Poetic, but uh, this was something else. Yeah, the next round,
• 47:22
  the next round will will make that even more interesting there, so I'm
• 47:28
  excited to talking about that. I was just gonna say Living Sacrifice the Dead
• 47:30
  Poetics one that was one of the toughest ones for me, because they're both
• 47:34
  probably top twenty five bands all time. I wow, Yeah, like you
• 47:38
  said, I think did Poetic they were on the verge of being I mean
• 47:44
  they really had the same sound as Thursday, and you know, Thursday really
• 47:49
  blew up in that world. And Thursday still has a very dedicated following.
• 47:52
  We interviewed their their drummer a while back, and he's great, and Thursday
• 47:57
  is so big and to me, like that sound at that time was so
• 48:00
  big, and it's just it's hard to believe that it Like they could they
• 48:05
  could have been big, but you know, for a variety of reasons,
• 48:07
  just didn't make it. Yeah, all right, So Living Sacrifice moves on
• 48:12
  last un or last matchup of this region, the Devil Wears product versus Becoming
• 48:17
  the Archetype. I this, I think I don't remember who I voted for
• 48:25
  on this. Honestly, Becoming the Archetype has a very underrated fan base,
• 48:34
  let's just put it that way. Like, I think they do have a
• 48:37
  cult following, and I don't think people really recognize how big their cult following
• 48:39
  actually is. But obviously Double Wars product is so big in this world.
• 48:46
  And I've got another point to make in a second, but I'll let you
• 48:49
  guys say a thing about this matchup. But anyway, I thought this was
• 48:52
  just a tough matchup for becoming the Archetype, very tough. I think that
• 48:58
  Devil worst product. It's not it's not present they win. Becoming the archetype
• 49:02
  is just such a um they're such like an outlier in this group because they're
• 49:08
  they're doing something very different than any of these other bands. Um So I
• 49:13
  think anyone that they get put up against, they probably don't win in this
• 49:16
  in this whole section, this whole region, I should say, but I
• 49:21
  think that they probably deserve to win. So I don't know. It's a
• 49:23
  tough one. Yeah, they're a great band, and they're one of the
• 49:28
  I think what Brandon Ebel would refer to as a cred band. They may
• 49:31
  not have, you know, the yeah, the massive number of fans that
• 49:37
  a lot of the other the other bands do, but they're clearly an incredible
• 49:42
  band. And it was down as far as putting who in the tournament,
• 49:46
  it was it was down between Becoming the Archetype, O Sleeper and Phineas for
• 49:52
  the last three spots for me and uh Phineas had the best streaming numbers of
• 49:57
  the three, but I wouldn't. I thought became arch type deserves to be
• 50:00
  there so well. In their new album, they put on vinyl and it
• 50:04
  sold out immediately, which again tells you it's it's hard for a lot of
• 50:07
  tooth and nail bands to sell vinyl right now unless they're like a really dedicated
• 50:13
  you know, have a dedicated cult following and clearly becoming the archetype. Does
• 50:16
  I mean they literally sold out that vinyl really really quickly. They had to
• 50:22
  do a repress already. Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, never exactly.
• 50:28
  One thing. I'll just mention about this bracket because it was the solid
• 50:30
  state bracket or the solid State region in this bracket. I because Colin,
• 50:37
  we did the two thousands Metalcore episode the tournament a few months ago, and
• 50:42
  I think we had sixteen teams in that if I remember right, and it's
• 50:45
  all the best like two thousands metalcore bands. I bet a third to half
• 50:52
  of those bands were tooth and nail bands that are in this bracket right now.
• 50:57
  In one region you have like five, six, maybe even seven bands
• 51:02
  that are also literally considered some of the best two thousands metalcore bands, regardless
• 51:08
  of it's Christian or not. That like, this is an incredibly competitive bracket
• 51:14
  in terms of the style and scene of music that it's in, and so
• 51:17
  it was really cutthroat and it's but it's still as a testament of how dominant
• 51:22
  a Christian label was in a particular genre of music. It still blows my
• 51:27
  mind that that was a thing that happened historically in Christian music. I just
• 51:32
  it's still I can't believe it that a bunch of metalcore bands, a Christian
• 51:37
  metalcore bands, dominated the non Christian music scene in that scene for a good
• 51:44
  ten years. It's unbelievable to me. It's got to be the only time
• 51:47
  in recent history that Christians have kind of, you know, led the way
• 51:52
  in a subset of music. Yeah. And the irony of it is that
• 51:55
  it's the most Unchristian sounding music poet, Yeah, which is that to me
• 52:00
  is the hilarious thing about it. That's probably why it was so attractive.
• 52:05
  And then once it became kind of like the standard of the norm or the
• 52:08
  expected from Christian alternative, um, well, then all of a sudden it's
• 52:14
  no longer no longer the hip thing you know is something else? All right?
• 52:20
  Should we move on to top left, top left? Yeah, that's
• 52:23
  right, nineties tooth and Nail, solid state bands, all right, this
• 52:27
  one, this one's I'm excited for this one, all right? So number
• 52:30
  one seed undoubtedly like this totally makes sense. Mx p X versus number sixteen,
• 52:37
  number sixteen seed strong Arm pretty dominating one versus sixteen. Right here,
• 52:44
  MxPx pretty much dominates strong Arm, although strong Arm does have a pretty dedicated
• 52:50
  following. But it is hard to beat mx PX and something like this.
• 52:54
  This is pretty pretty h pretty typical. I wasn't overly surprised this one.
• 53:00
  Yeah, he XPX made the final four of the big CCM tournament. I
• 53:05
  did with bands of all genres and labels, so I pretty much expected them
• 53:10
  to do really well, understandably. So all right, so mx PX moves
• 53:16
  on to second round. Uh. Next one, Goady Hook versus stretch Armstrong
• 53:22
  eight verses nine seed. Uh. This is one that, again like two
• 53:25
  nineties bands that I didn't really grew up listening to. Uh, Colin,
• 53:30
  you're more of a you like Gody Hook, Right, I did like Gody
• 53:32
  Hook. I had all the Gody Hook albums. Yeah, definitely listened a
• 53:36
  lot of Goady Hook dig dig It dig It It's which is sort of surprising
• 53:40
  me because like, you're not typically like, that's not your typical genre of
• 53:44
  music right now, That's that's not my go too. I'm not a I'm
• 53:46
  not like a huge punk fan by any means, but I don't know they
• 53:50
  had they had a little something extra special. I felt like that, right,
• 53:53
  Yeah, it drew me to it. Yeah, and Goady Hook wins
• 53:58
  pretty convincingly. I mean fifty nine verses. I thought, yeah, I
• 54:04
  thought stretch Armstrong would win because when likes best, you would think it's the
• 54:07
  Rolling Stones, right exact lins for March, you know, a mile long
• 54:14
  and things like that. If we're talking about cult followings, um, Stretch
• 54:19
  Armstrong is by far. They're They're in like the Mount Rushmore on this list
• 54:23
  of terms of like cult followings because they're cult is so small they're called is
• 54:28
  just too small exactly, Yeah, all right. Next one Star Flyer fifty
• 54:32
  nine versus Extol. This is for especially for culin. This is a of
• 54:38
  a stating matchup. This is almost as bad as normal Gene versus the Chariot,
• 54:43
  But I am shocked on it. This is one of the ones where
• 54:46
  I really I could have seen either one of these artists winning. What I'm
• 54:52
  shocked by is how much star Flyer fifty nine one this eighty percent to twenty
• 54:59
  percent sent for Xtel. Extel I think really does have a cult following.
• 55:02
  I mean, there are a lot of metal artists that we talked to,
• 55:05
  especially those who grew up in the tooth and nail solid state world, that
• 55:08
  they talk about Extol religiously as a huge influence on them. So I thought
• 55:14
  Extel had at least put up a fight. They need to put up a
• 55:16
  fight. Yeah, that that blows my mind, especially since like like just
• 55:21
  like listening to the Furnace Fest folks um who were trying to you know,
• 55:28
  get the ear of the promo of the organizers, the one artist that they
• 55:32
  just continually continuously pounded for was Extol, and star Flower fifty nine is nowhere
• 55:43
  to be heard, except I did say we should get star Fliwer fit nine
• 55:45
  there as well. But you know, that's that's that that blows my mind
• 55:51
  that it was that big of a disparity, because I mean, they're legendary,
• 55:59
  not just the Christian world, but like elsewhere as well. Yeah,
• 56:01
  I mean they really we were just talking about like influential Christian artists in particular
• 56:07
  genres. I mean, Starfler was really early in that shoegaze era in the
• 56:12
  nineties. I mean, I wouldn't say that they were the originators of shoegaze.
• 56:15
  I wouldn't even say that they were like the most like popular artists in
• 56:20
  that nineties shoegaze world, but they were in it and that that at least
• 56:23
  counts for something as a Tooth and Nail artist, especially when Tooth and Nail
• 56:28
  first started as a label. It's pretty impressive what they were able to do
• 56:31
  very early on. Yeah, granted they are a massive band, you know,
• 56:37
  have that cult following and everything, but the fact that they beat Extel
• 56:39
  that much just shocks me. Yeah, I feel like the Starfler fifty nine
• 56:45
  fan base just keeps getting stronger and bigger for no you know, explicable reason
• 56:52
  really, because because he just keeps making better and better music everything than the
• 56:59
  last. And its sense. Yeah, he's one artist. Yeah, all
• 57:04
  right, So star Flyer moves on next one Zao versus Danielson family. This
• 57:10
  was one again, like Zayo, I would just expecting to win, but
• 57:15
  I thought maybe Danielson family would at least put up a little bit of fight
• 57:17
  because since but maybe maybe their followers are like not on Twitter, like I
• 57:22
  could see their followers like not having any social media, Like they don't even
• 57:24
  have smartphones, like these are Danielson family fans are like the people who still
• 57:29
  have flip phones. And uh so I feel like this is a little unfair.
• 57:32
  Even though I think Zayo would have won regardless, I think it's a
• 57:35
  little unfair to Danielson family given the nature of who their kind of fans are.
• 57:39
  I was gonna say that I'm surprised Danilson Family band put up twenty three
• 57:45
  like that. That that's a pretty good fight against Zao. Does suphi On
• 57:49
  Stevens like repost you to even get to the twenty three percent? Is that
• 57:52
  what happened there? Eric, No, that didn't happen. I didn't know
• 57:58
  what they would do because I mean, like pitch for always praised their albums
• 58:00
  and things like that. But which is hilarious, that is so that is
• 58:05
  so funny to me. Hey, we've we've had him on Dan Smith on
• 58:08
  and he's great he's wonderful. Oh he was. He was a blast.
• 58:12
  He was a blast. But it's it's hilarious that they would even put up
• 58:15
  this much of a fight versus Zo. Honestly, I was. I would
• 58:19
  have thought maybe Zao would have been like a well I see blindside on here.
• 58:22
  Uh. I could have seen them as like a two or three seed.
• 58:25
  But again, like I'm just being nick picky there. But all right,
• 58:28
  so Zeo wins pretty convincingly over Danielson family. They will be competing against
• 58:34
  Star Flyer fifty nine. That is a hell of a nineties matchup right there.
• 58:37
  That is that is two very different genres and two very different cult followings
• 58:42
  that are absolutely going to despise each other. I love that, all right.
• 58:45
  So next one Slick Shoes versus Bleach. Honestly, I didn't really listen
• 58:50
  to either one of these bands so much. The only reason why I picked
• 58:53
  Bleach honestly was Steel Roots had a like they had this song from Bleach that
• 59:00
  was and I still I can never find it. I've literally looked through every
• 59:04
  song on Bleach on Spotify. They had a song that Steel Roots used that
• 59:09
  I to this day, I remember thinking to myself that is one of the
• 59:13
  coolest, catchiest things I've ever heard and never was able to actually find it
• 59:17
  because you know, during the stew Roots era, like it was like you
• 59:21
  had pure volume and that was it. Like this was even before you could
• 59:22
  search songs on YouTube. So I still have not found this song. So
• 59:28
  if anybody out there happens to be listening and also knew of Bleach song that
• 59:32
  was being used on Steer Roots for like some sort of like commercial or like
• 59:37
  kind of like next programming kind of thing, let me know. Yeah,
• 59:39
  it was bumping music and it was I know exactly what you're talking about.
• 59:45
  But I've never been able to find it either. And I'm almost wondering if
• 59:47
  it was like a one off thing that they did for maybe totally I don't
• 59:52
  know it totally could I can't believe that Bleach one. I can't believe they
• 59:55
  won. Really, do you like Slick Shoes that much more? No,
• 1:00:00
  I don't have like a strong affinity for either of these bands, but the
• 1:00:02
  fact that's I mean slick Shoes. I hear Slick Shoes mentioned all the time
• 1:00:07
  from from the community. I don't ever hear Bleach discussed almost ever. And
• 1:00:14
  so that's that's where I'm surprised that there was enough support for Bleach to come
• 1:00:17
  out and win that one. I actually get a lot of comments about Bleach,
• 1:00:22
  and that's that's weird. I'm not really surprised that they won. I
• 1:00:27
  didn't know how much a residual effect MxPx fans would have on slick shoes,
• 1:00:30
  so I kind of gave them a little bit of a higher seat based on
• 1:00:35
  that. That makes sense, all right, So Bleach moves on and we'll
• 1:00:39
  be competing against either the Juliana Theory or ninety Pounds, and Juliana Theory pretty
• 1:00:46
  convincingly wins here seventy nine to twenty one percent. It's pretty big. I
• 1:00:53
  really do like Giuliana Theory much more than ninety Pounds as much as ninety Pound
• 1:00:59
  was, like was one of those early punk tooth and nail bands. I
• 1:01:02
  think Juliana Theory just had like such an interesting indie alternative sound at that time,
• 1:01:08
  and I'm really glad that they won. I'll just put it that way.
• 1:01:10
  I am too. I think ninety Pounds was there. They were they
• 1:01:15
  were a part of that early nineties punk sound that wasn't very refined, and
• 1:01:21
  I think that kind of hurts a long run. Yeah, that's kind of
• 1:01:24
  where I'm at too. I think the Juliana theory are just more in mab
• 1:01:28
  wheelhouse of what I enjoy. Yeah, for sure. Man, all right,
• 1:01:32
  so Juliana theory we'll be coveting against Bleach in the next round. We
• 1:01:37
  will move on to the next matchup, which is Stave Sacre versus Dogwood.
• 1:01:42
  This was tough because I've both I love Josh from Dogwood and I also love
• 1:01:49
  Mark from Stave Sacre. And ultimately I think it was just because I like
• 1:01:53
  Stave Sacre's music more than Dogwood. I ended up voting Stave Sacre. But
• 1:02:00
  would I just have a soft spot soft spot in my heart for Josh and
• 1:02:04
  Dogwood And anyway, two bands I love, and it's hard to pick one
• 1:02:08
  over the other. Yeah, I liked them both for for completely different reasons,
• 1:02:15
  Like if I want to listen to Dogwood, I'm in like a like
• 1:02:16
  a happy, go lucky mood. If I want to listen to Stave Sacre,
• 1:02:20
  I want to think. So it's like two opposite ends of the coin.
• 1:02:25
  And I wouldn't have been able to like pick one of these, but
• 1:02:30
  I probably would have ended up with Stave Sacre and then just because I listened
• 1:02:32
  to them more often, Staves Acre or the band that made me aware of
• 1:02:37
  Tooth and Nail records, So I've got oh really wow. Yeah, I
• 1:02:42
  used to listen to Christian rock gotten it when I first got the internet,
• 1:02:45
  and uh, keep Waiting came on. I was like, oh, yeah,
• 1:02:49
  that's a jam. But how long did it take for that? I
• 1:02:51
  was just about to say, how long did dial up take for that to
• 1:02:53
  be buffer? Oh? Yeah it was. It was the old day,
• 1:02:57
  so it was. It took a while. So that was my version of
• 1:03:00
  streaming. I would request whatever song I wanted to hear in it eventually you
• 1:03:04
  know, come around. All right, So Staves Saker wins pretty convincingly over
• 1:03:08
  Dogwood. Uh that's a tough matchup though, for for Dogwood. All right,
• 1:03:13
  last one in this region, blind Side versus the Huntington's Uh this one
• 1:03:20
  percent for me blind Side. I'm also like not surprised at all how much
• 1:03:24
  blind Side won buy. Uh. You know what's really funny about this one,
• 1:03:28
  just the personal anecdote. Blind Side is on my mountin Rushmore of bands
• 1:03:31
  I would I would die for them, but I never had a blind side
• 1:03:36
  poster in my room. I had a Huntington's poster in my room. What,
• 1:03:39
  yeah, No, you didn't, I totally did. No you didn't,
• 1:03:44
  I totally did. Do you still have that poster? I don't know
• 1:03:46
  if I do. It's probably like a bookmark in some books somewhere in my
• 1:03:52
  in my closet. Year But yeah, I got even I didn't even know
• 1:03:57
  you even knew of them, not not much like less listen to them,
• 1:04:00
  like I didn't even know that you knew of them. I had gone to
• 1:04:03
  youth group with my sister one time when she used to go to a place
• 1:04:06
  called U Turn in Watertowne and they like they would like give out free CDs,
• 1:04:13
  so like I got free CDs all the time. The Huntington's was one.
• 1:04:16
  Um Godie Hook was one. Further seems forever was one. Let me
• 1:04:21
  think who else? There was a Mean Without You album or it was actually
• 1:04:26
  like a like a three three CD or three song CD for some reason,
• 1:04:30
  I don't know what that was. Maybe it's just like a sampler or some
• 1:04:32
  kind and then like casting crowns and stuff like that, but like it was,
• 1:04:35
  it was. I loved going to youth group with my sister, because
• 1:04:40
  I would get free music. I would just screw off the rest of the
• 1:04:43
  time and then just try to like go grab the music in the back and
• 1:04:45
  then head out as soon as I could. Um. But yeah, the
• 1:04:50
  the Huntington's not not very not very cool. Well let's just put it this
• 1:04:55
  way. You have not staged out of to the Huntington's, but you have
• 1:04:59
  to Blindside. That's true. That's true. Yes, all right, so
• 1:05:04
  Blindside moves on. They will They will match up against Stave Sacre here in
• 1:05:09
  the next round, all right, last region before we get into the second
• 1:05:13
  round. First matchup, Amberlin versus Spoken. I cannot believe Spoken was number
• 1:05:18
  sixteen. Spoken has like a good amount of Spotify listeners, right, yeah,
• 1:05:24
  one twenty one thousand? I think, Yeah, why why sixteen seed
• 1:05:28
  for Spoken? What uh are you? Are you saying they should have been
• 1:05:31
  higher? Or I think they should have been way higher? A lot of
• 1:05:35
  a lot of the other bands in that region have um similar numbers. Yeah,
• 1:05:42
  I even had to leave some out with like sent By Ravens had almost
• 1:05:45
  one hundred thousand. What that? Yes, that blows my mind too,
• 1:05:48
  right, Like that's a band they had like what maybe one maybe two albums
• 1:05:53
  on ye two albums, I thinks all they had, um so, I
• 1:05:58
  mean there was Secret and Whisper was the one that I kind of had that
• 1:06:00
  could have went there. Uh yeah, Spoken went They got there because of
• 1:06:04
  the streaming numbers. But like I couldn't put them ahead of you know,
• 1:06:08
  bands like Further Things Forever or right, you know, who have less streaming
• 1:06:13
  numbers. Yeah, but Spoken Spoken is one of those bands. Again,
• 1:06:16
  they they're kind of in that like they weren't. I wouldn't say they were
• 1:06:20
  exactly butt rock, but they kind of they flirted with it. They were
• 1:06:28
  they were exactly like Collide Skillet Collide era Skillet, Yes, yes, And
• 1:06:33
  and they got big because of that era. And again it's one of those
• 1:06:36
  bands where had they been on any other label, I don't know if they
• 1:06:40
  would have gotten super big, but the fact that they'd had that sound allowed
• 1:06:43
  them a lot of success clearly. Yeah, they kept going for a long
• 1:06:48
  time too, which I'm true. Yeah, Number I cannot stand Spoken.
• 1:06:55
  They played at at Life Light one time and um My, but that I
• 1:07:00
  was with like pulled me over there, He's like, you gotta see these
• 1:07:03
  guys. I was like, these guys suck. I'm out. I think
• 1:07:06
  they were from like Kansas or something. But they had that one music video
• 1:07:11
  for it was the song was called Promise and it was like in a tractor
• 1:07:16
  and like a cornfield and like that was the whole like music video. And
• 1:07:19
  I was like, South Dakota even though they're from Kansas. I liked a
• 1:07:28
  lot of their early stuff. They put their first one of their first albums
• 1:07:31
  before Too the Nails. It was like a new metal worship album, which
• 1:07:34
  it was in ninety nine. Was kind of yeah, it was pretty unique.
• 1:07:41
  I thought, imagine like Brian head Welch, like playing like good good
• 1:07:45
  Father or something. All right, all right, So next matchup, further
• 1:07:50
  Seems Forever versus Family Fours five, eight versus nineteen. I'm actually shocked that
• 1:07:55
  both of these both of these artists are this low. Now. I now,
• 1:08:00
  granted, I get that Further Seems Forever has probably way less streaming numbers
• 1:08:04
  than Family Force five, but honestly, we all know that further Seems Forever
• 1:08:10
  has a huge cult following in the tooth and Nail world. I'm shocked that
• 1:08:15
  they aren't like a three or four seed at least. And then also,
• 1:08:17
  like Family Force five, I feel like was really like I think they were
• 1:08:21
  actually kind of underrated in that Tooth and Nail seed, Like I wasn't a
• 1:08:26
  big fan, but I could see a lot of people loving them, and
• 1:08:30
  so the fact that they are a nine seed really actually surprises me. Both
• 1:08:32
  of these So anyway, this is a tough matchup and at the end of
• 1:08:38
  the day, fortunately further seems Forever wins out. Also, did I forget
• 1:08:42
  to mention that Amberlin wins won the last round? Yeah, we didn't say
• 1:08:45
  that, but I think, yeah, sorry, Amberlin won the last round
• 1:08:47
  against Spoken, now you know. But further seems Forever versus Family Force five,
• 1:08:51
  I'm really shocked by that, honestly, that that would even be the
• 1:08:55
  matchup. But further seems Forever kind of barely squeak it out here. Furthers
• 1:09:01
  things. Forever have not done well in my polls, and that's kind of
• 1:09:04
  contributed to them being an eight. I feel like it's starting to look like
• 1:09:09
  they have more vocal fans than actual number of fans who follow at least follow
• 1:09:17
  me on Twitter because a couple of other tournaments, I was I see it
• 1:09:24
  them higher than I should have, and they got like blown out by sanct
• 1:09:26
  Disreal. Um, so that kind of no furthers things forever is who I'm
• 1:09:35
  talking about, got blown Oh sorry, yeah yeah yeah, so that's where
• 1:09:42
  they're they're on eight. I just like that this one was like sad boys
• 1:09:45
  versus party boys. That's true. That that makes me chuckle a little bit.
• 1:09:49
  It's like it's like Casha versus Phoebe Bridgers or something. Yeah, that's
• 1:09:58
  good. That's good analogy. All right, So further Seems Forever moves on.
• 1:10:02
  Fortunately, I really like further Seems Forever a lot, So I'm really
• 1:10:08
  glad that they ended up moving on. Although, like I said before,
• 1:10:10
  I do think Family Force five was actually really influential in the krunk course scene.
• 1:10:15
  Now, granted, that's like being influential in a genre that like isn't
• 1:10:18
  particularly all that great. It's like, you know, it's like nickel Back
• 1:10:23
  being like, oh, we're the butt rock band. It's like, okay,
• 1:10:25
  great, like you're a big band, but like you're the butt rock
• 1:10:28
  band. So granted, Family Force fives in that world, but you know,
• 1:10:32
  it was something it's at least like a Christian band like influencing something I
• 1:10:36
  guess. So yeah, but Family Force five moves on next one, Emery
• 1:10:42
  versus icon Here for Hire. I'm not like, I haven't really listened to
• 1:10:46
  icon for Hire really at all. I kind of like, again, they
• 1:10:49
  to me feel like one of those like butt rock bands that got really big
• 1:10:53
  just because of that sound. But I wasn't honestly expecting Emory to win this
• 1:11:00
  handedly versus them. Honestly, I think Emory is following is just so strong
• 1:11:05
  and it maintains its strength for a multitude of reasons. But I get that,
• 1:11:11
  and I expected Emory to win. But by almost like ninety percent to
• 1:11:16
  ten percent essentially, that's pretty impressive. It's just hard to make sense of
• 1:11:21
  a bandwidth six hundred and eighty seven thousand monthly listeners getting eleven percent of the
• 1:11:27
  vote against a band with is that one of the seventh You make that kind
• 1:11:35
  of sound and you will get that many listeners. I'm telling you, go,
• 1:11:39
  I'm starting but rock band, guys, let's do it. You wonder
• 1:11:43
  why people do it that our country. Do one of those two bands and
• 1:11:45
  you will find but rock country. There we go. But it is that
• 1:11:51
  that's got to be What was the other one that on the other side of
• 1:11:54
  the bracket that we were talking about that was like, oh, Acid He's
• 1:11:58
  burn over Fit for a King was probably one of the bigger, like monthly
• 1:12:00
  listener kind of upsets. This has gotta be one of the bigger ones too,
• 1:12:05
  right, Yeah, Emory had oh so almost almost two hundred thousand,
• 1:12:14
  okay, but still like not quite as big as the Acid He's burned over
• 1:12:17
  Fit for a King, But still that's a pretty significant upset over a band
• 1:12:21
  that has six hundred thousand monthly listeners, especially eighty nine to eleven. Yeah,
• 1:12:28
  it is, Yeah, especially that big that that that's pretty significant.
• 1:12:30
  But all right, well, Emory moves on and uh, they will be
• 1:12:34
  matching up either against the Almost versus Showbread, which this was a tough one
• 1:12:40
  for me. I really like both of them, very mad. I like
• 1:12:45
  both bands equally, and honestly, the fact that Showbread was that low was
• 1:12:48
  a little surprising because again they I think they have really a dedicated Salt following
• 1:12:53
  in the Salt or in the tooth and Nail world. But at the end
• 1:12:57
  of the day, that almost beats him out and thoughts around that that matchup
• 1:13:00
  that's interesting. I think it's the Glessbie factor. I think he just carries
• 1:13:04
  you know. Yeah, maybe that was another one of the big streaming disparity.
• 1:13:11
  Show Showbird less than nine thousand monthly listeners. That blew my what less
• 1:13:15
  than nine thousand? Really that little I wouldn't have that. So the almost
• 1:13:19
  one hundred and ninety seven thousand less than nine thousand, that's got to be
• 1:13:23
  one of the least on the entire list. The Almost has almost two hundred
• 1:13:27
  thousand monthly listeners. Yeah, that that first single I had was like a
• 1:13:30
  top ten modern rock mainstream hit. I mean I used to see it on
• 1:13:33
  like MTV and of course like Showbred's now on that, But I thought like
• 1:13:38
  Showbred would have like some sort of carry over with dedication from their fan base.
• 1:13:42
  But clearly I was. That's one of the biggest surprises in streaming numbers
• 1:13:45
  for me was Showbred's such small numbers. Wow. But I mean they're playing
• 1:13:50
  at Furnace Fest again this year and people go, I mean they played a
• 1:13:55
  couple of years ago, people go all out for Showbred. H Colin,
• 1:13:58
  What's are you much more of a Showbred fan than the Almost? I I'm
• 1:14:03
  not a fan of the show of the Almost at all. Really, all
• 1:14:08
  I mean the first album I love, and I probably love it more than
• 1:14:11
  any other Showbred album, But as an artist as a whole, I probably
• 1:14:15
  am a Showbred fan. And I forget who I ended up voting for on
• 1:14:19
  this one, but it was pretty close. But I can't believe that there
• 1:14:24
  was that much of a disparity between streaming numbers. Yeah, that's a pretty
• 1:14:30
  significant one, all right. So the almost moves on, though they prevail.
• 1:14:33
  Next one, Copeland versus King's Kaleidoscope. Again, like, it's hard
• 1:14:39
  to believe that some of these worship bands got so big on Tooth and Nail,
• 1:14:42
  but King's Kalidoscope was one of them, even though they said they ut
• 1:14:45
  for it every now and then. But Copeland, to me, Copeland is
• 1:14:49
  one of those bands that is severely underrated in the Tooth and Nail world.
• 1:14:55
  As an indie emo band, I think they they influence that world, and
• 1:15:00
  they were a part of that indie emo world for for a while, and
• 1:15:04
  I think they I think more people know about them than they realize. And
• 1:15:09
  I think the Further Seems Forever is kind of in that same vein too,
• 1:15:12
  But I I can't believe that Copeland didn't get as big as they should have.
• 1:15:17
  They are one of the bands on this where it feels like they were
• 1:15:20
  severely underrated. Yeah, they're great songwriters. Um, I would I would
• 1:15:27
  have voted for against Glascope here. Um really yeah, they're They're one of
• 1:15:30
  the few kind of like worship artists that I actually do listen to every once
• 1:15:35
  in a while. I I can't believe you like them more than Copeland,
• 1:15:39
  though I love Copeland. I think incredible. I think Copeland, I think
• 1:15:45
  their problem with with not being nearly as big as they should as they're they're
• 1:15:48
  two emo for the Pitchfork crowd, but too you know, into artsy for
• 1:15:54
  the emo crowd. I think, yeah, yeah, they were in that
• 1:15:58
  kind of weird world. But you know, they really the album a couple
• 1:16:00
  of years ago that was one of my favorite albums was that twenty eighteen,
• 1:16:04
  twenty nineteen or something. But I think Aaron Marsh is an incredible songwriter.
• 1:16:10
  I think he's an incredible artist, and I think Copeland is just severely underrated.
• 1:16:15
  This is one of your favorite bands on this next one? Uh so
• 1:16:21
  obviously again Copeland moves on. It was fairly close, but Copeland moves on
• 1:16:27
  all right. Thousand Foot Crush versus FM SAC This almost feels like a Chariot
• 1:16:30
  versus Norman Jeane kind of matchup. But like for like my like least favorites
• 1:16:35
  for for nine year old Mason. Yes, this is If you would have
• 1:16:42
  asked me this question almost twenty years ago, this would have been the hardest
• 1:16:46
  pick for me. But the biggest thing was it was twenty years ago.
• 1:16:55
  Honestly, though, it's hard to believe that thousand foot Crush has the following
• 1:17:00
  that they do. I mean, how many how many monthly listeners do they
• 1:17:02
  have? Eric probably coal million, three point four million, three point four
• 1:17:06
  million for Tooth and for thousand for Crunch call up? And how much how
• 1:17:12
  much does a FM static have eight hundred and four thousand. FM static has
• 1:17:18
  almost nine hundred thousand monthly listeners FM static correct, And this is both These
• 1:17:26
  are both Trevor mccannon bands. This Yeah, he is by far the most
• 1:17:30
  listened to Tooth and Nail artist ever and it's not even close. And it
• 1:17:36
  blows my mind how popular he was. But neither one of these bands I
• 1:17:43
  think are like they have like the dedicated Tooth and Nail following. They were
• 1:17:45
  big outside of Tooth and Nail. Yeah. Wow. TFK have the most
• 1:17:50
  monthly listeners of any band in the tournament, more than We're than Jeremy Camp
• 1:17:57
  and yeah, Jeremy Camp's got one point seven minut and yet you had two.
• 1:18:01
  You had a thousand foot crutch at number three. That's interesting. I
• 1:18:05
  had him at two, but after talking to someone I was I was talked
• 1:18:11
  down, but I felt like I couldn't move him very far down, so
• 1:18:14
  I just moved him from two to three. Wow. So the band that
• 1:18:18
  has the most Spotify listeners currently is number three in the tournament. That is,
• 1:18:24
  that's something else, but something else. They ended up actually dominating FM
• 1:18:29
  static. H. You know what would be interesting is to hear Trevor's opinion
• 1:18:33
  on this. If he if he had to vote between the two, would
• 1:18:36
  he vote TFK over FM Static? What do you what do you think you
• 1:18:41
  would say? Eric? I think it's say TFK because um Static is probably
• 1:18:46
  only as popular as I are because of his FROMK. Yeah. Probably,
• 1:18:53
  Yeah, that's true. All right, Well, TFK ends up prevailing and
• 1:18:57
  they will be facing off Copeland in the next round, all right, last
• 1:19:00
  one of the second round, second to last. Yeah, May versus the
• 1:19:05
  Classic Crime. These are two bands that were somewhat similar in sound. Classic
• 1:19:12
  Crime is a little heavier, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
• 1:19:15
  this is a tough This is a tough matchup. I love me, so
• 1:19:18
  I ended up voting for me. Any thoughts on this matchup, I probably
• 1:19:24
  personally would have gone Classic Crime. Really is it? McDonald Rayton? Yeah,
• 1:19:29
  Matt, Matt McDonald, Matt, Yeah. I I really dig Matt
• 1:19:32
  McDonald's voice, and I think he's actually probably the most talented singer other than
• 1:19:38
  Krystal need Scott on this entire list, Wow, even more so than Mark
• 1:19:45
  Creme as well. Yeah that's true and markin you really like Mark from Steve.
• 1:19:49
  I do like Mark as well, But I think that I think that
• 1:19:51
  Matt McDonald's a better singer all around than Wow. Interesting all right, Yeah,
• 1:19:58
  I like the Classic Crime, but Mayer five band for me, so,
• 1:20:00
  oh hey, there you go. What's your what's your May album?
• 1:20:08
  The ever Glow? Of course? Yeah? Yeah, for sure, I
• 1:20:10
  mean classic and And honestly, if it weren't for ever Glow, probably Classic
• 1:20:15
  Cry might move on. But Everglow is such a especially among Tooth and Nail
• 1:20:18
  fans during that era, as one of them I mean Overglow, like Define
• 1:20:24
  the Great Line, some of those other albums from that mid two thousands era
• 1:20:28
  are considered some of the classic tooth and Nail albums, and so obviously I
• 1:20:32
  think May, just by that alone, probably ends up moving on. Yeah,
• 1:20:36
  I've noticed, I've noticed from my tweets that the ever Glow is one
• 1:20:40
  of the most like beloved albums of like that scene, easy, totally,
• 1:20:45
  totally. Well, May moves on probably because of the ever Glow, and
• 1:20:48
  they will be matching up against either Me Without You or The Fold. Here's
• 1:20:54
  what's funny, though, Colin, You're about to your shit's about to uh
• 1:20:57
  is it shit? Shit's bricked or whatever what's called it called? Sure,
• 1:21:01
  your mind's about to be blown. Let's put my ship's about to be bricked?
• 1:21:06
  Me without You versus the Fold? How many more monthly listeners does the
• 1:21:12
  Fold have then Me Without You? Eric, you probably found this out?
• 1:21:15
  Oh can I guess? Can I guess? I'm gonna say it's nine and
• 1:21:19
  a half times more that many? Okay, not quite that, not quite
• 1:21:25
  the Fold. The Fold have three hundred and thirty nine thousand monthly listeners to
• 1:21:29
  make without use one hundred and fifty four thousand. I didn't know me without
• 1:21:32
  you was that high. Actually, yeah, I want, I want to
• 1:21:34
  guess. Yeah, it is pretty dedicated. But The Fold is a band
• 1:21:40
  that here's what's funny. Out of almost most of these bands, the Fold
• 1:21:45
  is a band that got all of those listeners after they left the Tooth and
• 1:21:49
  Nail world and they started doing what was what's the like like power Ranger.
• 1:21:56
  It wasn't powering like Legos. It's Legos. Yeah. They made all these
• 1:22:00
  songs for Legos and got huge because they were making songs for Legos. Yeah,
• 1:22:05
  that Legos crowd, Man, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta
• 1:22:09
  get in their pockets. It's unbelievable. So the fact that they even got
• 1:22:13
  to number twelve almost probably exclude Honestly, if if it weren't for the Legos
• 1:22:17
  thing, do you think they would have even been in the tournament? Eric,
• 1:22:20
  No, probably not. Yeah. I mean it's just like streaming numbers
• 1:22:24
  alone because of Legos. But if you look at the streaming numbers of their
• 1:22:27
  Tooth and Nail albums, I think they had like two or three. There's
• 1:22:30
  there's no way they would probably even been in the in the tournament. But
• 1:22:34
  the fact that they were a tooth and nail band at one point and they
• 1:22:38
  got huge because of legos put them up there. But honestly, unless you
• 1:22:42
  had a bunch of like ten year olds voting on this Twitter poll, uh,
• 1:22:45
  me without you, I think was undoubtedly gonna win. And so Me
• 1:22:49
  without you very handedly wins this matchup against the fold rightfully. So well there
• 1:22:55
  you go, Eric, You you know now that you need to go out
• 1:22:57
  and try to find that that ten year old demograph to get them, get
• 1:23:00
  them engaged. All right, So we're now moving on to round two.
• 1:23:08
  It's gonna be a lot shorter now fortunately. All right. So because we're
• 1:23:11
  already at an hour and a half of recording, I knew this was gonna
• 1:23:13
  take a while because that's what happens, all right. So we're gonna go
• 1:23:15
  back up top right, Seventh Day Slumber, who ended up upsetting Germy Camp
• 1:23:21
  versus Falling Up? Eric, what did you think of this matchup? It
• 1:23:28
  was just another one where I was hoping following up would would get the get
• 1:23:31
  the wind, but after Seventhday Slumber, Big jere mccamp, I didn't really
• 1:23:34
  expect it. But yeah, yeah, so falling Up ends up beating Seventh
• 1:23:40
  Day Slumber in a pretty close one. It was a nail biter, but
• 1:23:43
  they end up beating them again. I think it's one of those things where
• 1:23:46
  it doesn't make sense to me how Seventhday Slumber ends up beating Germany Camp but
• 1:23:50
  then doesn't end up beating fallowing up. That doesn't make sense. Let's ask
• 1:23:54
  this question, why is Seventhday Slumber putting up a fight here? Because I
• 1:23:59
  I simply don't understand this one. That's a good question. They have like
• 1:24:02
  eighty six thousand monthly listeners, but yeah, I don't. I don't really
• 1:24:06
  I can't explain how they would beat Jeremy Camp at all. Am I missing
• 1:24:13
  something with with like the like their live shows or something like that that maybe
• 1:24:17
  like didn't resonate with me but resonate with someone else, Or because like their
• 1:24:20
  songs, I mean, their songs are just okay at the very best.
• 1:24:25
  Yeah, maybe it's where they're just a real, like, you know,
• 1:24:27
  outspoken, Christian testimony driven kind of band, kind of like probably Skillet fans
• 1:24:32
  or probably yeah, Seventh Day Slumber fans. Yeah, when when Skillet fans
• 1:24:36
  want to chill out for a little bit, they go listen to some Seventhday
• 1:24:40
  Slumber and yeah, say, you know what, whatever, let's move on.
• 1:24:43
  Yeah, yeah, I think you're probably right. I think that Falling
• 1:24:45
  Up is significantly a better artist all the way around the board. Yeah,
• 1:24:50
  catch here, more energetic, more creative, more creative. Yeah, totally.
• 1:24:57
  Well that that was not too much of a surprise to me. I
• 1:25:00
  don't think it's probably a surprised to you guys either. Uh, next one,
• 1:25:03
  Mace, all right, So next one, Disciple versus Hawk Nelson.
• 1:25:10
  This does feel like it should be a really close one, right it does.
• 1:25:13
  Yeah. I feel like the fan bases are just as dedicated. They
• 1:25:17
  probably have somewhat similar kind of size of fan bases this one. I think
• 1:25:25
  I probably voted for Hawk Nelson, but I really had no idea where this
• 1:25:29
  one was going. Any thoughts on this one? Disciples singer followed me on
• 1:25:34
  Twitter, right as odd relationship, that's right, So he was he was
• 1:25:39
  ready to pounce. So yeah, him and the Disciple Twitter. We're both
• 1:25:45
  retweeting every round, so that helped him out quite a bit. I'm sure
• 1:25:50
  nice. Well Disciple ends up winning, and so they're gonna be matching up
• 1:25:55
  against Falling Up in the Sweet sixteen. Next one, Project eighty six versus
• 1:26:00
  Cutlass, again a matchup that feels like it should be close. Given the
• 1:26:04
  fact that Cutlass is huge and Project eighty six probably doesn't have quite as big
• 1:26:10
  of a fan base but has a very dedicated one, it felt like this
• 1:26:13
  one should be really close. I knew that Cutlass was popular because my uncle,
• 1:26:20
  who was like the leader of our local promise keepers, that was like
• 1:26:26
  his favorite band. And I was like, yeah, that's so not cool,
• 1:26:30
  man. But I didn't think that Project eighty six is gonna win this
• 1:26:33
  big. I mean pretty pretty much sixty five percent to thirty five percent over
• 1:26:39
  Cutlass. Yeah, which you can. I think it's that theme of Cutlass
• 1:26:44
  probably was one of those bands that, even though they were on Tooth and
• 1:26:46
  Nail, their fan base was outside of the Tooth and Nail world. Yeah,
• 1:26:51
  and I do think that affects this draft. Yeah. Yeah, they
• 1:26:56
  had a gold record. It was their worship album, So that kind of
• 1:26:59
  tells you kind of the crowd that they were. What was that big song,
• 1:27:01
  Strong Tower? I feel like worship to that all the time in youth
• 1:27:04
  group. Well we got we got ghosted by gut lists. Remember that Mason
• 1:27:10
  did we Oh that's oh, that's right, we did get ghosted by them.
• 1:27:13
  That's right, all right, Well glad Project eighty six moved on,
• 1:27:16
  all right? So Project eighty six moves on plank I versus the super Tones?
• 1:27:21
  Who are they? Who's going to match up against Project eighty six?
• 1:27:27
  This one I felt like should have been closer, but pretty convincingly that was
• 1:27:30
  the super Tones wins. The Ska is strong, I was gonna say.
• 1:27:34
  I clearly the fact that they're like the only SKA band on here, I
• 1:27:40
  think only helps them because so many people have such a strong connection with that
• 1:27:46
  SKA phenomenon that there was. That it's just it's just they're they're they're gonna
• 1:27:54
  move on because they are so much different than everyone else. Right, It
• 1:27:59
  is interesting that we have like, you know, third fourth waves of emo
• 1:28:01
  now and we have yet to have a second wave of SKA that I know
• 1:28:06
  of. Yeah, that is that is true. Was scats so weird that
• 1:28:12
  it's just it's too weird to like have another wave of it? I tweeted
• 1:28:16
  out the other day. I said, clearly people are ready for a SKA
• 1:28:19
  revival because the skall bands just dominate in my tournaments. Yeah, somebody sent
• 1:28:25
  me like a Brooklyn Vegan article saying, you know, twenty ska bands are
• 1:28:29
  out now, but it's like, for some reason it's not becoming a thing
• 1:28:31
  again. It doesn't seem like it's so weird because five Iron one your CCM
• 1:28:36
  one. Right. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, people are
• 1:28:39
  tweeting me asking me to do tournaments with a no ska band rule because they
• 1:28:44
  feel like it's it's unfair to everybody else, which is ridiculous considering it's a
• 1:28:49
  genre that hasn't been popular in twenty five years. I feel like that's weird.
• 1:28:54
  This is one that has to be a victim to nostalgia like that,
• 1:29:00
  Like that that's the only reason I could imagine people and like really wanting to
• 1:29:03
  listen to ska is because of nostalgia. Very well likely, I it's just
• 1:29:11
  I never really understood it, and especially especially the super Tones version of Scott
• 1:29:15
  right. I mean, like five are in friends that you have like very
• 1:29:18
  like pointed like political messages and things like that, and and like you know,
• 1:29:23
  existential questioning and all that stuff, But like with super Tones, you
• 1:29:26
  don't really have that. So that's where I think it's got to be just
• 1:29:30
  nostalgia. It must be. It's a really it's really bizarre. But also
• 1:29:34
  again like super Tones were one of outside of maybe mx p X, they
• 1:29:39
  were one of those early bands that were on tooth and nail. They were
• 1:29:43
  probably funny and everybody else's albums. Yeah, true, true, I mean
• 1:29:45
  they were that big at that time. It was it's really interesting how big
• 1:29:49
  they got. But all right, well, super Tones end up prevailing over
• 1:29:53
  Plank Guy. Goodbye, plank Guy. Did you get my little like a
• 1:29:57
  good eye Plank Guy? That was U wonderful? Great? All right,
• 1:30:01
  So under Oath versus Haste the Day, this one was pretty handidly. But
• 1:30:06
  again I thought maybe there would be a little bit more of a fight from
• 1:30:12
  Haste to Day. Yeah, I'm not surprised that there wasn't. When you're
• 1:30:15
  going against under Oath, I mean it is. I mean, that's the
• 1:30:19
  juggernaut in the room, so that's that is true. But I thought maybe
• 1:30:25
  a little bit more of a fight, Like I thought, maybe like sixty
• 1:30:27
  five thirty five kind of thing, but nope, eighty one nineteen unbelievable.
• 1:30:32
  Yeah, I would have thought a little more fight from Haste to Day.
• 1:30:34
  Fans clearly, not that even the Haste to Day fans were like, nope,
• 1:30:40
  under Oath. That's kind of the problem with this with the solid State
• 1:30:45
  section the Solid State region, is that the bands are so similar that you're
• 1:30:48
  not going to get massive or like like super super close fights. I don't
• 1:30:56
  think just because if you were a hast to Day fan, you were also
• 1:30:59
  you're also on the Oth fans. But when you're going to guess under Oath,
• 1:31:01
  under Oath is gonna win out every single time because everyone knows ten under
• 1:31:04
  Oath songs by heart, right, yeah, versus like if you're a Star
• 1:31:09
  Flyer fan over Extol fan, Like, those are two very different fan bases.
• 1:31:12
  It's very different. Yea, right, all right? Well, under
• 1:31:15
  Oath very convincingly moves on to the Sweet sixteen Acidities Burn versus demon Hunter again
• 1:31:23
  a very like big matchup in terms of Spotify numbers, but demon Hunter ends
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  up prevailing. Apparently Mega Corps is very strong within the Christian world. Like
• 1:31:34
  I said, I've learned that, you know, demon Hunter is a gateway
• 1:31:40
  band for a lot of people, So yeah, people get attached to those
• 1:31:43
  kinds of artists might also be a gateway to some very interesting politics that I
• 1:31:47
  think should probably be done with possibly, so uh that the oh and I'm
• 1:31:55
  just realizing now you actually have the reason the regions labeled. It was like,
• 1:31:59
  oh my earlier I was like, oh, why did you have that
• 1:32:01
  region that way or whatever? And I'm like, just no, noticing this.
• 1:32:05
  All right, So demon Hunter moves on. Now. Norma Jeane versus
• 1:32:10
  August Burns Read probably one of the more difficult Round of thirty two matchups right
• 1:32:16
  here. I probably voted for Norma Jean. But my goodness is this is
• 1:32:21
  going to be way closer than I think people realize because August Burns Read is
• 1:32:26
  probably what an like a million monthly listeners, yeah, close to him,
• 1:32:30
  and then Norma Jean is at just under two hundred thousand. So just August
• 1:32:34
  Burns Read has four times more monthly listeners on Spotify and yet pretty much makes
• 1:32:40
  it a two point game at the end of the day. Yeah, that's
• 1:32:45
  pretty impressive, very impressive. And again I think that really shows that Norma
• 1:32:50
  Jean just album for album, people are dedicated and love Norma Jean. I
• 1:32:56
  do think like, if you know Norma Jean has played Furnace Fest last year,
• 1:33:00
  they'll play again this year. Uh, if August Burns read happened to
• 1:33:02
  be at Furnace Fest, I think they would probably have equal sized crowds.
• 1:33:06
  Let's put it that way. That's an interesting thought. I don't know.
• 1:33:12
  I think I think outside of like the Christian world, UM, August Burns
• 1:33:15
  Red definitely pulls a lot more respect and um probably fandom as well. So
• 1:33:23
  I don't know if they I think they have a bigger fandom outside the Christian
• 1:33:26
  world. I don't know if they have more respect. I bet, like
• 1:33:29
  I bet outlets like Metal Sucks probably likes Norma Gine more than August Burton's Red.
• 1:33:33
  Metal Sucks hates Normagine why outside of Bless the Martyr they hate Norma Gene.
• 1:33:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's in fact, in fact, just
• 1:33:45
  about just about every single uh Christian adjacent artist Metal Sucks hates, right.
• 1:33:51
  But I would say out of all of the metal core even out even Norma
• 1:33:56
  gin or under oh sorry, I would say Norma Jean might be the most
• 1:34:00
  artsy metalcore artists I've ever heard, even in the outside of the life.
• 1:34:04
  They're so artsy. I can't imagine that an outlet like Metal Sucks would hate
• 1:34:08
  Normagene given how artsy they actually are, and it's not like they have like
• 1:34:13
  it's not like they have success that seems unbridled. Like they have success that
• 1:34:18
  has been very hard earned, and the very little success that they do have
• 1:34:23
  they have worked their asses off for because they're damn good artists. I can't
• 1:34:27
  imagine any outlet being like anti Norma Gene. Yeah, they have a lot
• 1:34:30
  of hate, and I think it would surprise you. Interesting. Well yeah,
• 1:34:35
  all right, well August Burns Red barely ends up beating out Normagene.
• 1:34:40
  Norma Gene ends up going out in the second round. I feel like they
• 1:34:42
  should have at least deserved a sweet sixteen bid, but here they are out
• 1:34:45
  in the round of thirty two. Next one, Living Sacrifice versus Devil Horse
• 1:34:51
  Product. This is our first extremely close one. Yeah. Wow, again
• 1:34:58
  it tells you everything you need to know about Living Sacrifices fandom. Yeah,
• 1:35:04
  this was another one. What's the monthly listener difference here? Because this is
• 1:35:10
  a massive one, I think, Yeah, that's what I was about to
• 1:35:12
  say. Uh, the Divorce Product has almost one point two million monthly listeners
• 1:35:17
  to Living Sacrifices twenty thousand difference, So this has to be this has to
• 1:35:26
  be a cred thing, like this has to be like this thing where like
• 1:35:30
  you have to pay your respects to the ogs. Otherwise that's sixty times larger.
• 1:35:36
  Yeah, that's so crazy. Yeah, I was surprised. I was
• 1:35:41
  real surprised by this. Pleasantly. It's like you literally got all twenty thousand
• 1:35:46
  monthly listeners from Living Sacrifice and got them to vote for Living Sacrifice. Well,
• 1:35:50
  what else is almost this is interesting is that they barely squeaked out of
• 1:35:55
  the first round only to barely barely squeak out of the second round. Like
• 1:35:59
  that's doesn't there's sort of like a well they're not there are seven seats and
• 1:36:03
  they're not a Cinderella. But like the fact that they're like winning these like
• 1:36:06
  close matchups, it's pretty impressive. Yeah. Yeah, but they win fifty
• 1:36:13
  point four, not fifty four, fifty point four over forty nine point six.
• 1:36:18
  So I mean that's like a matter of maybe a hundred votes. Yeah,
• 1:36:24
  I mean that is close. Yeah, that is so close. That's
• 1:36:27
  unbelievable. But Living Sacrifice beating out Devil War's product, that is a upset.
• 1:36:33
  That is one hundred percent and upset. Yeah, and again just shows
• 1:36:38
  you how dedicated the Living Sacrifice fandom is all right? Uh? Top left
• 1:36:44
  now to mx p X versus Goady Hook, and MxPx wins pretty handedly over
• 1:36:51
  Goody Gody Hook, which makes sense because I think if you're one of those
• 1:36:56
  people that liked if you're a punk fan and that like nineties era for Tooth
• 1:37:00
  and Nail, even if you liked Godie Hook Moore, you realize that like
• 1:37:05
  mx PX was on another level. Yeah, they're more influential. They give
• 1:37:10
  you cred as a Christian Christian kid, you know, yeah, yeah,
• 1:37:15
  I mean mx p X saved Brandon Ebel's uh you know, he took that
• 1:37:18
  like one hundred thousand dollars loan from his grandpa. Brandon Ebel would probably be
• 1:37:23
  in jail now if it weren't for mx p X, yeah, because he'd
• 1:37:26
  probably or that or he would be filing for bankruptcy. Yeah. It's similar
• 1:37:31
  to the under oath verse haste the day situation. You know, how can
• 1:37:35
  you how can you vote for for you know, artists that's obviously lesser.
• 1:37:44
  You know, mx p X another big band that will be uh at Furnace
• 1:37:47
  Fest calling you got a pizza ready? I'll get my pizza ready. Very
• 1:37:51
  wonderful. All right, next one, who will MxPx be going against star
• 1:37:56
  Flyer fifty nine or Zao the this is an entire Oh my god, this
• 1:38:01
  is such a difficult matchup. Yeah, but surprisingly this actually shocked me.
• 1:38:08
  Star Flyer wins pretty convincingly over Zao. Yeah, that surprises me a lot
• 1:38:14
  as well. Star Flyer apparently just does really really well against real heavy bands.
• 1:38:19
  What eric was Star Flyer in your CCM bracket? No, they weren't.
• 1:38:25
  Okay, they were if it were up to my own preferences, they
• 1:38:28
  definitely would have been been there. But had they been, it would been
• 1:38:31
  really curious. Even though they're significantly smaller than a lot of other CCM bands,
• 1:38:38
  if they were in that bracket, it feels like, at the very
• 1:38:41
  least, clearly there's enough votes that probably would have got them through maybe the
• 1:38:45
  second round, even in the CCM bracket. And this is this is an
• 1:38:47
  impressive how well they're going through this bracket right now? Yeah, I'm going
• 1:38:51
  to put them in the in the next one. I'm gonna do that big
• 1:38:54
  CCM one every year. Cool? Yeah, how much to see what it
• 1:38:58
  is? That's gonna be interesting to see how much it changes. Yeah,
• 1:39:00
  yeah, that's great. All right, So Star Flyer ends up beating zaout.
• 1:39:04
  I don't know who I ended up voting for here. I like both
• 1:39:08
  bands pretty much equally, but I can't believe that there was this much of
• 1:39:12
  a discrepancy between the two. Sixty one percent versus thirty nine percent for Zo
• 1:39:16
  Yeah, pretty impressive, all right, So sorry, Star Flyer will be
• 1:39:21
  against mx PX in the next round. Pretty tough matchup for star Flyer,
• 1:39:26
  all right. Next one, Bleach versus the Juliana Theory. This is again
• 1:39:32
  and now that this was a really really close one. And also it feels
• 1:39:36
  like both this is the fan bases for both of these bands are the same
• 1:39:42
  fan bases that I could be wrong. I wasn't around in the nineties for
• 1:39:45
  Tooth and Nail to know this, but it feels like that Bleach actually didn't
• 1:39:50
  come on too Tooth and Nail until the two thousand's, But I think most
• 1:39:54
  people think of them as a nineties band, So yeah, they were a
• 1:39:59
  forefront and interesting, so I'm not sure that they would have been completely in
• 1:40:02
  the same same crowd. But Bleach barely wins over Juliana Theory, which I
• 1:40:10
  don't know. Again, I don't know who I ended up voting, probably
• 1:40:13
  Juliana Theory on this one, but oh my goodness, I cannot believe that
• 1:40:18
  it was that close. It's pretty pretty impressive. So bleach over Juliana Theory.
• 1:40:24
  Who will they be going against? Either Stave Sacre or Blindside? I
• 1:40:28
  love you, Mark Solomon, but honestly, let's be honest. Blindside is
• 1:40:33
  unbelievable band and deserves to be going on and very much so. They won
• 1:40:40
  sixty eight percent versus thirty two percent over Stave Sacre, So Stave Sacre doesn't
• 1:40:44
  get out of the second round. But any thoughts around Blindside beating save Sacre
• 1:40:47
  other than it seems like that was pretty predictable. I guess maybe I don't
• 1:40:51
  know, pretty predictable. I hate to see I hate to see Stave Sacre
• 1:40:55
  go but yeah it makes sense. Yeah, two bands that I love,
• 1:40:59
  hate to see either one go out, but deserves it. Yep, it
• 1:41:02
  makes sense. It makes sense by Blindside goes on. All right? So
• 1:41:08
  that is uh, the second to last region, last region of the second
• 1:41:12
  round Amberlin, because remember they ended up being spoken Amberlin versus further seems forever
• 1:41:19
  I I like both bands a lot, almost equally. I do think if
• 1:41:25
  I remember right, I do believe I voted for Further Seems Forever on this
• 1:41:30
  one, but this does feel like you're really outmatched for a further Season Forever
• 1:41:34
  because Amberlin is so big and not just so big, but they also have
• 1:41:38
  a pretty dedicated fan base. Yeah. Yeah, that's another one, probably
• 1:41:43
  two top twenty bands for me, so I hate to see either one go.
• 1:41:47
  Great great band Amberlin, I mean both both bands have like put out
• 1:41:51
  consistently great albums. It's really hard. I mean, it just so happens
• 1:41:56
  that Amberlin kind of struck gold with a couple other songs, ended up getting
• 1:42:00
  really big, and even outside of the Christian music world. I knew lots
• 1:42:03
  of people who knew Amberlin, ye, outside of the Christian music world,
• 1:42:08
  other than like really weirdly weird like emo snobs. I guarantee you nobody knows
• 1:42:13
  who Further Scenes Forever is, but a lot of people who know who Amberlin
• 1:42:16
  is. Eric, real quick, did you did you vote on these yourself
• 1:42:19
  as well? I didn't? Was that hard? Yeah? I try to
• 1:42:25
  stay I try to stay unbiased. You know, they're they're obvious ones that
• 1:42:29
  people are going to know I'm pulling for, but yeah, I don't usually
• 1:42:33
  vote on them. I bet Amberlin versus Further Seams Forever is also a big
• 1:42:40
  spotified discrepancy because Further Seams Forever wasn't maybe like thirty thousand yea monthly listeners.
• 1:42:45
  I bet Amberlin's Amberlin's gotta be over a million. Yeah, Further Things Forever's
• 1:42:49
  forty seven thousand, Amberlin is one point one three million. Yeah, so
• 1:42:56
  almost, like what is that fIF like a fifty times big different. I
• 1:43:00
  mean that's pretty pretty significant. So Amberlin, I think, just like is
• 1:43:02
  going to win in that regard. All right, So next one, who's
• 1:43:05
  amber Ln going to be facing against? In the Sweet sixteen? Emory or
• 1:43:10
  the Almost two bands that actually, out of all these matchups, I think
• 1:43:15
  these are two bands that are like best friends with each other. Aaron Gillespie
• 1:43:18
  is super good friends with Emory, so it's kind of funny that those two
• 1:43:23
  ended up matching up against each other. But again, Emory pretty convincingly wins
• 1:43:30
  over the Almost. Again it shows you like how dedicated Emory fans are,
• 1:43:33
  even though I think Almost probably has I think you said almost has more Monthly
• 1:43:39
  listeners than Emory, right, Yeah, they almost has about twenty thousand more
• 1:43:43
  monthly listeners, not a huge gap, not that much. Okay, so
• 1:43:45
  it's pretty close, but still Emory wins pretty convincingly. Clin obviously you're probably
• 1:43:50
  rooting for Emory here. Yeah, definitely room for Emory. Did did Matt
• 1:43:55
  Carter reach out at all on this? No? I never, I never.
• 1:44:00
  H We need to bug him about that then, yeah, totally he
• 1:44:03
  would. He would absolutely love to throw that in Aaron's face. Yeah,
• 1:44:09
  y'all have to let him know about it. We will fell gladly let Aaron
• 1:44:13
  know that. You know, not only is he getting beat out by Emory,
• 1:44:15
  but he's also the uh he's the fill in for Daniel Davidson. All
• 1:44:20
  right, So moving on Copeland versus TFK, here is probably a big Spotify
• 1:44:29
  discrepancy here, right. Copeland's got what like maybe one hundred thousand followers,
• 1:44:33
  one hundred nineteen thousand, one hundred and nineteen thousand, so just over one
• 1:44:39
  hundred thousand monthly listeners and TFK, you said, is three million, three
• 1:44:43
  three million million, So what what is that? Over a third? Almost
• 1:44:46
  like a thirty thirty times difference. Uh, And Copeland, given the fact
• 1:44:50
  that it's a thirty times difference, actually keeps it fairly close. Close.
• 1:44:56
  Yeah, pretty close. That's pretty impressive. But TFK ends up pulling out
• 1:45:00
  fifty eight percent to forty two percent. That's pretty impressive for Copelyn. Honestly,
• 1:45:03
  that's a great showing. That is Again, it goes to show that
• 1:45:10
  a band like Copeland versus TFK, it shows that, like there is a
• 1:45:14
  dedicated tooth and nail fan base and they have their favorite artists, and TFK,
• 1:45:18
  even though they might be massive, still does not have quite the poll
• 1:45:23
  that some of these smaller artists do just because of who the fan base is.
• 1:45:27
  It's really interesting. Yeah, all right, so Copeland or sorry,
• 1:45:30
  TFK ends up moving on to the Sweet sixteen May versus Me Without You.
• 1:45:36
  I'm probably one of the biggest Me Without You fans out there, even though
• 1:45:41
  I love me, I love love love me. We're going to be interviewing
• 1:45:45
  them sometime in the summer for Furnace Fest. Very excited for that. But
• 1:45:49
  you can't vote against Me Without You. I mean I feel like I think
• 1:45:54
  even Zach, who is the guitarist for May, even like it. When
• 1:45:59
  it was this matchup He was like, it's got to be me without you.
• 1:46:01
  Like, if you're voting for us over me without your you're a bunch
• 1:46:04
  of dumblasses. And that's a guy who's coming from the band May. So
• 1:46:10
  that makes sense. Yeah, great band. Um, the Spotify listeners are
• 1:46:15
  fair probably fairly similar, right, Uh yeah maybe without us one hundred and
• 1:46:18
  fifty four thousand, May is eighty thousand. Okay, yeah, so similar
• 1:46:25
  similar ish, But Me without You again is such such a dedicated fan base.
• 1:46:29
  I mean it's one of they were one of those bands where those one
• 1:46:31
  hundred and fifty thousand people that are listening are going to be buying tickets and
• 1:46:35
  and and also getting albums and everything. I mean, they're they're that dedicated.
• 1:46:41
  So all right, that rounds out the round of thirty two. Uh,
• 1:46:45
  now we're going to Sweet sixteen and we have oh boy, here we
• 1:46:50
  go, all right, falling Up versus Disciple. I feel like falling Up
• 1:46:59
  is a better or artist, but Disciple does have such a significant larger fan
• 1:47:03
  base. Yeah that it makes sense. Disciple ends up winning here, but
• 1:47:09
  falling Up they made it pretty far given the fact, like what they have
• 1:47:14
  like twenty three thousand monthly listeners. Uh sorry, they have sixty two thousand
• 1:47:21
  that much? Okay, Well, the fact that they're even under one hundred
• 1:47:25
  thousand monthly listeners and made it into the Sweet sixteen that's pretty impressive for a
• 1:47:29
  band. So I'm fairly impressed by how far Falling Up made it. But
• 1:47:33
  at some point you do realize, like the Disciple fan base is just going
• 1:47:39
  to yeah, make this, especially with them retweeting it. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:47:44
  I don't doubt that's right. Yeah, that I forgot that the lead
• 1:47:45
  singer was involved in all this. So all right, Well, Disciple ends
• 1:47:49
  up winning, not by that much, but they end up winning pretty decidedly.
• 1:47:54
  All right, So who will they be competing against? Project eighty six
• 1:47:59
  or the OC super Tones Again, you know, these feel like two very
• 1:48:03
  different fan bases. The Project eighty six fan base does not feel like at
• 1:48:08
  all the OC super Tunes fan base. So it's like two different fan bases
• 1:48:12
  compete against each other, and it's a pretty tight one here, Yeah it
• 1:48:16
  is. You know, I think I would like to know if you were
• 1:48:19
  to take the song spy Hunter out of Project eighty six is discography, do
• 1:48:27
  they make it past the second round? Yeah? Well, Eric, look,
• 1:48:31
  at spy Hunters plays. Is it the Is it their most played song
• 1:48:34
  on Spotify? It's gotta be right, it's actually not their play their most
• 1:48:40
  played song is I Believe It's Evil from um the albums or something? Yeah?
• 1:48:47
  Yeah, rival factions. That surprises me. I think spy hunter might
• 1:48:53
  be the most perfect song created in the entire like to the Nail discography,
• 1:49:00
  more than a Brian's side song, more than a blind side. So I
• 1:49:02
  think it's I think it's a perfect song. It's very It's a damn good
• 1:49:06
  song, that guitar riff. Yeah, And I'm not like the biggest Project
• 1:49:11
  eighty six fan by any means, but that song is is it? It
• 1:49:15
  draws in so many different kinds of fans, whether you're punk fan, rock
• 1:49:20
  fan, a heavy metal fan like it. It draws in everyone. It's
• 1:49:27
  catchy, it's got a great risk. I'm I'm surprised that that's that they're
• 1:49:31
  most listened to. First of all, that's their fourth most listen to.
• 1:49:38
  Yeah, what something's wrong there? Cullen? Who were we talking to somebody
• 1:49:43
  recently that were they were talking about how, um what was the band?
• 1:49:47
  Oh? Lincoln Park was opening for Project eighty six or maybe some other conversation.
• 1:49:53
  It wasn't. It wasn't. But at one point, Lincoln Park,
• 1:49:58
  very very early on even for uh, what's their that first album, uh,
• 1:50:03
  Hybrid the Hybrid Theory. Yea, yeah, before Hybrid Theory came out,
• 1:50:08
  they like literally months before h it was like Pod and Project eighty six.
• 1:50:15
  Oh you know who it was. I was talking with Seth Headcocks about
• 1:50:17
  this, uh, and he was like, oh, yeah, like they
• 1:50:20
  were on this like big tour and it was it was Project eighty six,
• 1:50:25
  Pod and Lincoln Park right before they released Hybrid Theory, and then Hybrid Theory
• 1:50:30
  came out, and it was like they got off the tour and then ended
• 1:50:34
  up, you know, doing their own tour because Hybrid Theory just became the
• 1:50:38
  biggest thing in the world at the time. But it's weird to think like
• 1:50:42
  Project eighty six and even Pod were in that world at one point. It's
• 1:50:45
  unbelievable that it is hard to believe. All right, So Project eighty six
• 1:50:50
  ends up losing to OC Supertones though, which is hard to like. Again,
• 1:50:58
  there's something about the whole like SKA World, right, yeah, yeah,
• 1:51:02
  something about that Ska World. It will it will take you over.
• 1:51:05
  So all right, well, uh, oci Supertones move on and they will
• 1:51:10
  be competing against Disciple here in the is that Elite eight? So now we
• 1:51:15
  move on to under Oath versus Demon Hunter. Honestly, I thought this would
• 1:51:20
  be closer again. I thought Demon Hunter has such a dedicated fan base.
• 1:51:25
  But under Oath ends up prevailing here. Yeah, that surprises me a lot,
• 1:51:32
  a lot a lot. You thought Demon Hunter would actually be under Oath
• 1:51:36
  here? No, I thought on Earth would win. I thought this was
• 1:51:39
  going to be like a nail biter down to the last. Yeah, it
• 1:51:44
  ended up being way more. It's hard to believe how many people were really
• 1:51:47
  that big of Under Oath fans. It's it's it's hard to believe that scene
• 1:51:51
  was so centered around under Oath at one point. Yeah, unbelievable. All
• 1:51:58
  right, well, so under Oath moves on beats Demon Hunter. They will
• 1:52:02
  move on to the Elite eight. Now, August Burns read versus Living Sacrifice.
• 1:52:09
  This one I thought would actually be closer, given how Living Sacrifice literally
• 1:52:13
  had just barely beaten devil Ware as product, I thought this would also be
• 1:52:17
  very close. But it turns out it wasn't that big. That much of
• 1:52:21
  a close game. August burn Dreads pretty win like wins out pretty handedly.
• 1:52:28
  Yeah, I think you have two pioneers of of of genres that that we're
• 1:52:31
  defining for the whole, for the whole like scene overall, it doesn't surprise
• 1:52:39
  me that August burn Read wins here. Uh, probably just because of the
• 1:52:43
  demographic that's on Twitter compared to um Living Sacrifice. But it is impressive.
• 1:52:50
  It is impressive that that they won by six, by sixty one to thirty
• 1:52:54
  nine. That's I mean, this is this is a big another big like
• 1:52:57
  Spotify discrepancy, right, So the fact that August burns Read wins it's like
• 1:53:02
  not that surprising, but also it's like Living Sacrifice moving into this position in
• 1:53:09
  the Sweet sixteen is pretty impressive, So props to them. All right.
• 1:53:15
  So August burns Read ends up moving on to the Elite eight, all right,
• 1:53:19
  moving up to the Elite eight or the Sweet sixteen bracket in the top
• 1:53:26
  left, all right. Mx p X versus Star Flyer. Oh, Cullen,
• 1:53:31
  I know where you're going with this, but yeah, this is uh,
• 1:53:35
  I still can't believe how much more x mx PX is winning here.
• 1:53:41
  I can, I mean, I it's dominating. If you listen to like
• 1:53:45
  the people we've had on the podcast who are all in the scene, almost
• 1:53:48
  all of them. MxPx is by far the most discussed band as like an
• 1:53:56
  influential band to them. So I get why m xpx's winning star Fly forty
• 1:54:01
  nine is a multitudes more talented and better, but it is what it is,
• 1:54:06
  you know, unbelievable. Eric any thoughts on that, I wouldn't have
• 1:54:11
  been surprised if MxPx hadn't won by even more just because really how well.
• 1:54:16
  Yeah, they always do so well in in in my tournament, So yeah,
• 1:54:20
  I wouldn't have been surprised if it. Clearly they're like they're one of
• 1:54:25
  those bands that has not only a a like they have popularity, but they're
• 1:54:30
  also like super dedicated fan base, which makes sense why they're headlining that one
• 1:54:34
  night of Furnace Vests. I mean, that will be I'll probably be one
• 1:54:38
  of the bigger furnace Fest shows, if not the biggest furnace I think,
• 1:54:42
  especially the fact that they haven't played for so long together, it's going to
• 1:54:45
  be pretty big. Yeah. Yeah, so I can't imagine how much Furnace
• 1:54:48
  Fests had to had to pay for them. To show that's actually that would
• 1:54:51
  be interesting is to like how these bands compare into how much these bands to
• 1:55:00
  get paid in order to play. That would not just like how many tickets
• 1:55:03
  are they selling, but how much they are requiring venues to pay for them.
• 1:55:09
  That would be interesting. I wish there was a resource. I bet,
• 1:55:13
  I bet, I bet that actually is probably a better act, like
• 1:55:15
  a more accurate measurement than Spotify listeners prob. Yeah. All right, So
• 1:55:21
  MxPx moves on. Next one Bleach, which somehow made it into the Sweet
• 1:55:27
  sixteen versus Blindside again pretty convincingly Blindside or Bleach. I don't think anybody's really
• 1:55:34
  supplies by surprised by this, even probably Bleach fans are probably not surprised by
• 1:55:39
  this. Yeah yeah, I mean Blindside's juggernaut here. Um again, it's
• 1:55:44
  one of those things too. It's just it's a better band versus not as
• 1:55:47
  a good band. Right, I mean, here's something, the fact that
• 1:55:51
  Blindside's gotten this far. Here's something, Eric Blindside only had what one album
• 1:55:57
  that was actually solid state? Right? They had two um thought trust your
• 1:56:02
  Mind and then they're self titled. Yes, yep, okay, so they
• 1:56:06
  had two out but but they're big albums that what like made them famous were
• 1:56:11
  not tooth and nail albums. That was interesting. Yeah, so what how
• 1:56:15
  when you ended up making this bracket, how did you determine what actually qualifies
• 1:56:20
  as a tooth and nail band? Did you go into if they just released
• 1:56:24
  an album off of Tooth and Nail, then they're a tooth and Nail band
• 1:56:28
  or did they have to have tooth and nail albums that made them big?
• 1:56:30
  They had to have released two at least two albums on one of the Tooth
• 1:56:34
  and Nail labels. Okay, so like Pod technically is a tooth and nail
• 1:56:40
  band because they had like an EP on Tooth and Nail, they would have
• 1:56:43
  been a huge I don't know how far they would have gotten, but they
• 1:56:45
  would have been a huge seed on this but they only released like an EP.
• 1:56:49
  Yeah, but and they weren't big. They didn't even get big off
• 1:56:54
  of Tooth and Nail. So that's like, that's the other thing that's really
• 1:56:57
  interesting. Yeah, it would have felt weird having like Pod as a one
• 1:57:00
  seed and making it to the B four based on releasing the EP on the
• 1:57:04
  label that the tournament placed on. Right, totally well, and ends up
• 1:57:09
  being Blindside versus MxPx. I'm very excited for that matchup next. All right,
• 1:57:13
  last last little region before we move on to the lead eight Amberlin versus
• 1:57:19
  Emery. Yeah, that's a tough one again. Like I feel like these
• 1:57:24
  are like two bands that like probably know each other pretty well, so this
• 1:57:28
  is a this is a good matchup. But Amberlin ends up winning pretty handily
• 1:57:31
  here too, sixty four to thirty six. Yeah, a much bigger string
• 1:57:36
  of just better songs by Amberlin. It makes sense. I would have still
• 1:57:41
  voted for Emery, but right, and I probably did too if I remember
• 1:57:45
  right, But this is Ah, it's pretty impressive that Emery even got this
• 1:57:49
  far with what was it, two hundred two hundred thousand monthly listeners or whatever
• 1:57:54
  it is. It's pretty impressive. Again, Amberlin's probably close to a million,
• 1:57:59
  if not over a million, and so you know, Emory is really
• 1:58:01
  fighting against just a massive fan base at this point. Yeah, and Amberland,
• 1:58:06
  even though I think they really got big outside of the Tooth and Nail
• 1:58:10
  world, they still were sizeable in the tooth and Nail world, Like they
• 1:58:13
  had a large tooth and Nail fan base, and so it makes sense ultimately
• 1:58:17
  that they would beat Emory. They've got a lot like crossover appeal between not
• 1:58:23
  just like Christian and mainstream, but like they also you know, they have
• 1:58:27
  the Tooth and Nail crowd, they also have like the switch Foot crowd.
• 1:58:30
  You know would also be switch Food fan or Amberlin fans. Yeah, they
• 1:58:35
  rode that rail so nicely. Where they're they're kind of drawing from again,
• 1:58:39
  multiple multiple different fan bases or or genre fans, I should say, where
• 1:58:45
  they're they're poppy enough, they're hard rock enough, they're um anthemic enough where
• 1:58:53
  they can they can just pull from everywhere. That's that is a sound that
• 1:58:57
  is difficult to accomplish, and they did it just about better than anyone.
• 1:59:00
  Yeah, they're they're pretty incredible. I mean, they are one of those
• 1:59:02
  bands where if I ever mentioned like Tooth and Nail to people, if they
• 1:59:08
  don't know who under Oath is, probably in the next band that I mentioned
• 1:59:11
  of people my age is Amberlin because of how much they were able to go
• 1:59:15
  outside that mainstream world. So yeah, makes sense that Amberlin ends up winning
• 1:59:19
  here against Emory. But sad to see Emory go. But here we are,
• 1:59:25
  all right, So who is Amberlin? Gonna be matched up against.
• 1:59:27
  It's gonna be either TFK or Me Without You. And I felt like this
• 1:59:32
  was one of you know, you know, stay in line, if you
• 1:59:35
  can stay in line kind of thing. Me without You barely beats TFK,
• 1:59:41
  which again I can't believe because TFK to me, does not have the fan
• 1:59:45
  base within the Tooth and Nail world, but clearly they have enough where they
• 1:59:50
  can pull off enough votes against Me Without You. But there's a massive Spotify
• 1:59:56
  difference here too, right, because Me without Us like what one hundred and
• 1:59:59
  fifty thousand monthly listeners and tfk's at three something three million. Again a massive,
• 2:00:04
  a massive difference here between the two bands, but Me without You one
• 2:00:10
  hundred and fifty thousand. Those people decided to vote. I guess the TFK
• 2:00:14
  fans threw up the rock fists while Me Without You fans started throwing roses at
• 2:00:18
  them. This this does feel like the most like Joe Biden versus Trump,
• 2:00:23
  kind of like actual demographic, does it not? Like out of all the
• 2:00:30
  like matchups between all these bands, like Me without You being the Biden vote
• 2:00:34
  and Trump being the TFK vote, like that that totally makes sense here.
• 2:00:41
  Yeah, I'm surprised, Uh surprise, TFK didn't have a steal the vote
• 2:00:44
  or steal steal the was it steal the vote, steal the steal the election
• 2:00:47
  thing. I'm sure they stormed the I'm sure they stormed at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
• 2:00:58
  They're they're putting another crack that liberty bill. That's right, all right?
• 2:01:02
  So mean with how you ends up winning, I'm glad me without you
• 2:01:08
  wins here. I mean TFK was honestly one of the first tooth and nail
• 2:01:12
  bands I ever listened to, So I think even though I like very quickly
• 2:01:15
  fell out of love with them, uh TFK, Like, I wouldn't probably
• 2:01:19
  be here without TFK, So I've at least got to like pay my respect.
• 2:01:25
  But at the end of the day, like me without you such a
• 2:01:28
  much better band, I mean, we fortunately the fans voted in that direction.
• 2:01:32
  Yeah, all right, So that finishes up the Sweet sixteen. A
• 2:01:36
  couple more match matchups here, all right, Disciple versus the OC super Tones.
• 2:01:45
  Again, I have no idea where this is going. These are two
• 2:01:46
  bands that I'm not, like, don't have a huge affinity for, but
• 2:01:50
  ends up that OC super Tones ends up beating out not like that big but
• 2:01:57
  you know they handed it to a disciple. It's pretty impressive. SKA rules
• 2:02:01
  the day still, yeah, pretty sure. Disciple retweeted that realm too.
• 2:02:08
  Yeah, I mean Disciple, did I guarantee you, Like, does OC
• 2:02:12
  Supertones even have a Twitter account? Probably not even have tweete. I think
• 2:02:15
  it got hacked and they haven't gotten it back in several years. Okay,
• 2:02:17
  so they got hacked and OC Supertones a still won in this fucking shit.
• 2:02:21
  So this is like unbelievable to me that OC Supertones are able to win over
• 2:02:26
  a Disciple crowd that literally retweets to vote for us, and OC Supertones are
• 2:02:32
  coming out, the fans are coming out in droves. Uh my goodness.
• 2:02:36
  These are the people that you tell them the stay in line, They will
• 2:02:42
  stay in line. Yeah, that's funny. Rain or Shine Disciple does feel
• 2:02:50
  like the kind of band that is like, you know what, don't worry
• 2:02:54
  about like mail in voting, but OC Supertones mail in voting, stay in
• 2:02:59
  line. I don't give a shiite, Like what's that? What's that why
• 2:03:08
  people are mailing voting? Like that's probably disciples whole thing to this whole thing.
• 2:03:12
  But anyway, OC Supertones winning and out again. So they're in the
• 2:03:15
  final four. Now we're moving on to under Oath versus a BR. This
• 2:03:20
  is the matchup I feel like we had to have had in the solid state
• 2:03:26
  category, and uh, under Oath again very convincingly wins over ABR fans that
• 2:03:34
  are probably pretty close in Spotify numbers and probably dedicated fan bases, and yet
• 2:03:40
  under Oath wins pretty convincingly. I thought that this would be really close and
• 2:03:44
  ends up not being all that close at all. Yeah, yeah, it
• 2:03:48
  would be close, surprising to me, surprising. I would never have guessed.
• 2:03:56
  I mean, I think eight like I could have seen it go either
• 2:03:59
  way. I think under Oath probably was going to take the edge, and
• 2:04:02
  certainly I ended up voting for under Oath. But the fact that they won
• 2:04:08
  that much, sixty eight percent over thirty two percent, that's pretty impressive.
• 2:04:13
  So here we are under Oath over a BR All right, So they're moving
• 2:04:16
  on to the final four with the OC super Tones. What a great matchup,
• 2:04:23
  all right? Elite eight for the other round or the other side of
• 2:04:28
  the bracket. MX p X versus blind Side, Colin, I know where
• 2:04:31
  you're going with this, But Eric, if you could have voted MxPx or
• 2:04:35
  over Blindside. Where are you gonna go with this? Blind Side easy?
• 2:04:41
  Okay, Blindside over m XPX for you? Okay, great? So you
• 2:04:44
  I think we're all three in agreement here, but mx PX wins pretty convincingly
• 2:04:49
  over Blindside. How are we all three um in the minority here? Just?
• 2:04:55
  Uh, that doesn't make sense to me either. But again, I
• 2:05:00
  think, like we weren't probably the biggest like pop punk punk fans, but
• 2:05:03
  clearly that's a huge that that MxPx world. You don't fuck with them?
• 2:05:09
  Yeah? Yeah, so that's like that's like the battle between pop punk and
• 2:05:13
  more like hardcore punk, right, because like I mean, like Blindside's early
• 2:05:17
  stuff is more hardcore punk. So yeah, yeah, I mean totally.
• 2:05:20
  I mean it's like, you know who gonna vote for, like have Heart
• 2:05:24
  or follow a Boy? Yeah right, Like, of course, of course
• 2:05:30
  follow a Boy's gonna get more votes. But the fact that Blindside made it
• 2:05:32
  this far Elite eight pretty impressive. I would have loved to seen them in
• 2:05:36
  the final four. I feel like they at least deserve that, But the
• 2:05:41
  fact that they're in the same region as mx PX, like it's gonna be
• 2:05:45
  really hard to beat any MxPx team, Like, let's be honest. I
• 2:05:49
  do know that some people told me they were just going to vote based on
• 2:05:55
  the output with a tooth and nail label, which would have hurt blind Side
• 2:05:59
  here considering they all had two totally two albums, I don't I don't know
• 2:06:02
  that it would have been enough for him to overtake m XPX, but it
• 2:06:05
  probably would have been close. MxPx only did they have three or four?
• 2:06:09
  They probably four maybe five? Ye tisane albums four Yeah, so yeah,
• 2:06:15
  I mean, yeah, I'll put that makes sense. But still like those
• 2:06:18
  first three albums, God, it's just tough. But yeah, Blindside over
• 2:06:24
  mx it just it's just tough. But MxPx prevails, all right. Next
• 2:06:29
  one the closest vote, Yeah yeah, this this literally I remember h Lindsay
• 2:06:38
  Ficus, which who we've interviewed. Uh, she was literally like tweeting out,
• 2:06:43
  if you're in line, you stay in line, Amberlin versus me without
• 2:06:47
  you. And even though there was a pretty big Spotify difference here, me
• 2:06:55
  without you prevails fifty point two over fifty nine or forty nine point eight.
• 2:07:03
  Yeah, that's that's like gotta be what like fifty votes difference, like maybe
• 2:07:09
  less than that. I think somebody said it was like forty votes or something.
• 2:07:12
  Oh my god, that's nuts. That is that that deserves a recount.
• 2:07:17
  I mean, Amberlin, if there was any reason for them to storm
• 2:07:20
  the capitol that this feels valid reasons. This is, this is so close
• 2:07:28
  and yet Me Without You pulls it out. Uh. This is Uh.
• 2:07:32
  This is a big deal for me as a Me Without You fan, although
• 2:07:36
  I love both bands, love both bands, but the fact that Me Without
• 2:07:40
  You was able to squeak this one out, it's pretty impressive. But yeah,
• 2:07:45
  forty votes, that's how close this came. That's impressive. Yeah,
• 2:07:49
  that's nuts. So here we are our final four. I'll repeat, our
• 2:07:55
  final four is the OC Supertones versus Under Oath, and then at x p
• 2:08:00
  X versus Me Without You. We're gonna go back to the other side of
• 2:08:03
  the brackets. So OC Supertones versus Under Oath, and we're starting to get
• 2:08:07
  really close matchups here and the OC Supertones barely squeak it out all over Under
• 2:08:16
  Oath. This to me blows my mind. Again, OC Supertones, I
• 2:08:20
  totally get getting to the final four. That makes sense to me. But
• 2:08:24
  over Under Oath to get to the championship does not make any sense to me.
• 2:08:28
  I thought under Oath would for sure get into the championship game, and
• 2:08:33
  here we are with the OC Supertones taking what I think is the upset over
• 2:08:39
  under Oath. I think this is a numbers thing. So there's there's only
• 2:08:43
  like a handful of of SKA bands that were really really big. OC Supertones
• 2:08:50
  were like the Christian example of that. There was a bunch of metalcore bands
• 2:08:58
  that got really big, under Oath just being the biggest of those. I
• 2:09:05
  think I think that there was just probably you're able to concentrate all your SKA
• 2:09:11
  fans into OC Supertones, whereas you're not necessarily able to concentrate all your metalcore
• 2:09:18
  fans into under Oath. I think it's like the only answer here that makes
• 2:09:20
  sense. What are you guys think? I mean, it's so weird to
• 2:09:26
  think like SCA versus metal core. I still thought under Oath would prevail here
• 2:09:33
  too. It's just it's mind blowing to me how dedicated the SKA world is.
• 2:09:39
  What's even more mind blowing is the fact that scot continues to get so
• 2:09:43
  it is repeatedly so popular in these at least in these brackets and yet there
• 2:09:52
  is hasn't been a revival. Metal core is still around. They're still great
• 2:09:56
  metal core bands, and those bands are still around doing their thing, and
• 2:09:58
  there new bands coming up. Who's the new SKA band or whatever like that
• 2:10:05
  that doesn't exist. It's mind blowing to me that that fan base is still
• 2:10:09
  that dedicated to a thing that existed twenty five years ago. Yeah to fifteen
• 2:10:13
  songs on an on an album that all sounds the same. Oh sorry,
• 2:10:16
  that was disrespectful. That's my band. Well, while I didn't like fill
• 2:10:22
  out a bracket on what I thought would happen, or a vote or anything
• 2:10:26
  I did, I predicted that the final four would be Supertones against under Oath,
• 2:10:33
  but I thought under Oath would have this one easy. I'm really surprised.
• 2:10:39
  Who who is your? Who are you in your championship game? Did
• 2:10:41
  you have under Oath versus Me without You or m xp X versus under Oath,
• 2:10:46
  xp X versus under Oath? That would make sense to me culin if
• 2:10:50
  you. I don't know if you've filled out a bracket or not, but
• 2:10:52
  who would you have had in your championship game? I probably would have had
• 2:10:56
  under Oath and um Jeremy camp, but Jeremy Camp was in the same so
• 2:11:05
  that would be in final four, Jeremy Camp versus under Oath. Yep,
• 2:11:09
  that's what That's what I would have had in my final four? Is that
• 2:11:11
  what you're asking? Or are you? And then the other note the championship
• 2:11:15
  game. For the championship, I would have had under Oath versus UM like
• 2:11:20
  me without you MxPx blind side and said me without you. I would not
• 2:11:24
  have said blind side, even though I want them to. I probably would
• 2:11:28
  have said m xp x Oh, so you would have put mxp x over
• 2:11:33
  in under Oath in the championship. Yeah, I would have put me without
• 2:11:37
  you and under Oath in the Championship I would have personally voted for I would
• 2:11:41
  have figured that MxPx and me without you were going to be in the final
• 2:11:43
  four, and I would have voted for me without you, and I think
• 2:11:46
  they would have had a fighting chance. And I was hoping that would be
• 2:11:50
  me without you versus under Oath. But Supertones end up beating ends up beating
• 2:11:54
  out under Oath. Let's go to the other side of the Brackett and x
• 2:12:00
  PX versus me without you, and I was right. Mx PX loses to
• 2:12:07
  me without you in a fifty two percent to forty eight percent vote. Pretty
• 2:12:13
  damn close game. But my goodness, I was not expecting honestly, I
• 2:12:18
  was just like putting my vote out there and hoping for the best that me
• 2:12:20
  without you would win. But Colin, I bet you're pretty happy about this
• 2:12:24
  that MxPx ends up losing the final fe without you. I'm very happy about
• 2:12:28
  that. I love Me without you, and I think that they're a far
• 2:12:31
  better band than MxPx. Um I am. I'm just surprised because it's not
• 2:12:37
  very often that a better band all around, to like a more esteemed listener,
• 2:12:45
  wins out. That's true. That's true, Eric, And any thoughts
• 2:12:50
  about this mx p X versus Me without You matchup that that's a to me,
• 2:12:54
  it seems like an upset. I could be wrong, but it seems
• 2:12:56
  to me like to be an upset. Well, this is actually a rematch
• 2:13:00
  of an elite eight matchup in the Big CCM tournament or MxPx one fifty six
• 2:13:07
  percent to wow. Oh man, So Lindsay's you know, shout out to
• 2:13:15
  you to like rally the troops of mean without you. My goodness, So
• 2:13:22
  how why do you think that? Do you think it's the nature of the
• 2:13:28
  bracket that MEW without you ends up winning this one versus MxPx winning the CCM
• 2:13:33
  one. Do you think it's just this one being a tooth and nail one
• 2:13:35
  versus XPX winning the CCM one, or do you think it's just like a
• 2:13:41
  voting thing where the me without you fans come out and droves or what?
• 2:13:46
  What? What? What do you think? Why? Why do you think
• 2:13:46
  there's that difference there? I think, um, you know, five Iron
• 2:13:50
  Frenzy won the CCM tournament, and my understanding is that there's a relationship between
• 2:13:56
  m XPX and five Iron Frenzy. So I'm pretty sure the uh Filero and
• 2:14:01
  Frenzy voters in the CCM tournament we're also voting for MxPx, which sure certainly,
• 2:14:05
  Yeah, that to make sense. Yeah, that's interesting. Well but
• 2:14:11
  well, why do you think, Um you said m xp X beat out
• 2:14:15
  me without you though in the lead eight? Yeah, why do you think
• 2:14:18
  m xp X be them out in the lead eight me without you in the
• 2:14:22
  lead eight in that bracket but not this one in the final four? Well
• 2:14:26
  that that's kind of what I was getting at. Like the main CECUM tournament,
• 2:14:30
  Firo and Frenzy was rallying all their voters where they had no put into
• 2:14:33
  this one. So that makes sense. Yeah, okay, well we are
• 2:14:39
  voters, right yeah damn libertarians? All right? So OC Supertones versus ME
• 2:14:48
  without You? All right, if you're watching this on YouTube, you have
• 2:14:52
  not been able to see the the champion. We don't know who the champion
• 2:14:56
  is. We're literally recording right now not knowing who the mpion is. I
• 2:15:01
  have it pulled up on Twitter, and I made sure not to look look
• 2:15:03
  at the results, but I have it pulled up on Twitter right now.
• 2:15:07
  Who the championship is? Uh and and who has won the Tooth and Nail
• 2:15:11
  champion and let me it's still like, I still have you muted, Eric,
• 2:15:18
  So here we go, all right, that the we're gonna I'm gonna
• 2:15:26
  pull this up here and we're gonna find out who ends up winning. But
• 2:15:31
  it is what all right, MEW without You with fifty seven percent of the
• 2:15:41
  vote over OC super Tones with forty three percent of the vote. No way,
• 2:15:46
  I'm actually kind of shocked by this. How well OC Supertones we're doing
• 2:15:50
  throughout the tournament. I thought that the troops would rally here. Yeah,
• 2:15:54
  but mew with how you ends up winning the Tooth and Nail Championship and there
• 2:16:00
  were over a thousand votes in the final. That is impressive. Father Josh
• 2:16:09
  Koulik, I don't know I say your last name, but you are the
• 2:16:11
  You're at least on our screenshot here, and you were asking if you're voting
• 2:16:16
  as my high school self or my college self. You're voting as yourself.
• 2:16:20
  I don't care who you are. You're voting as yourself, and Me without
• 2:16:24
  You ends up winning over the OC Supertones. I do think that these are
• 2:16:30
  two different fan bases, but I think they are fan bases that would at
• 2:16:35
  the very least respect one another. Like if Me without You hadn't been in
• 2:16:39
  this tournament, in this championship, but the OC Supertones were, I think
• 2:16:45
  those those ME without You fans would have voted for OC Supertones and vice versa.
• 2:16:48
  If the OC Supertones weren't in this championship but Me without You was,
• 2:16:52
  I think Me without You would have gotten the fans from the OC Supertones.
• 2:16:56
  Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I'm thinking. I would never throw my
• 2:17:01
  head in with a SKA fan. I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm
• 2:17:07
  talking about in general. Well, yeah, but if you're talking about in
• 2:17:09
  general, I'm just saying in general, that's not what I would do.
• 2:17:13
  So without you fan, I get that, and I and I wouldn't either,
• 2:17:18
  But I like likely whoever the other band was, I would be voted
• 2:17:22
  for the other band over the OC super Tones, But I do see that
• 2:17:26
  there is a respect from each fan base for the other band. Yeah,
• 2:17:30
  I'd be curious to know if Under Oath ends up pulling out a victory there
• 2:17:35
  who wins between Me Without You and Under Oath? That is a good I
• 2:17:39
  think it might be closer than the OC super Tones versus Me Without You.
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  Yeah, what what do you think, Eric, what do you think about
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  this matchup? And what do you think about any like possible other matchups that
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  it could have been. Yeah, I think it would have been a lot
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  closer if it was Me Without You versus Under Oath, because you know,
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  those those first made Without You albums were kind of heavier and actually solid state
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  releases, So there's a little more in common there between the two that I
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  think could have swayed some voters the other way. Yeah, as far as
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  the result of this, I'm always surprised when skolarses anymore so. But the
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  fact that SKA gets this far and again, this is not like five votes.
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  I mean, this final round was a thousand votes, and they were
• 2:18:26
  probably collectively tens of thousands of votes in this in this tournament. The fact
• 2:18:35
  that SKA remains so beloved it blows my mind. I mean, even the
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  fact that they're even commedian this much with Me Without You fifty seven to forty
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  blows my mind. But yet here we are. But I honestly I couldn't
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  be happier, even though The Chariot's my favorite band of all time and happens
• 2:18:54
  to be on you know, the Solid State Tooth and Nail World, and
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  they got eliminated right away in the first round. I would have predicted it
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  to be under Oath versus Me Without You, but I at least got one
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  of them in, and Me Without You ends up winning, and I think
• 2:19:09
  rightfully so. I mean, MEW Without You was one of those bands that
• 2:19:13
  has a respect from so many different people. Even Hayley Williams from Paramore is
• 2:19:20
  like the biggest Me Without You fan. And you get a band that literally
• 2:19:26
  can play an acoustic guitar at a show and people are literally mohing. No
• 2:19:31
  other band in the world is like that, and I feel like Me without
• 2:19:35
  You for that reason alone respectfully wins the Tooth and Nail Tournament. Yeah I'm
• 2:19:45
  I'm gonna say ditto. Yeah, I'm happy with that. There were there
• 2:19:50
  were maybe five bands that I feel like had a rightful claim to be in,
• 2:19:54
  you know, the quintessential tooth and Nail band and Me Without You or
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  one of them. So so Me without You under oath OC super Tones maybe
• 2:20:03
  was that other third band? Right, are the other couple bands that you're
• 2:20:07
  thinking mx PX and A Berlin think, Yeah, those those feel like the
• 2:20:11
  five. That feels like the five that should be at least in the final
• 2:20:15
  four, or if they could have been all in the final four, that
• 2:20:18
  makes sense. Yeah, that that seems right. It's pretty remarkable that a
• 2:20:24
  band of one hundred and fifty thousand monthly listeners ends up winning. And maybe
• 2:20:28
  it's a recency biased thing, right because Me without You just broke up.
• 2:20:31
  Everybody's still like heartbroken about Me Without You. Maybe it's that over the OC
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  super Tones, But still, I really do think Me Without You is one
• 2:20:41
  of those bands that even outside of the Christian indie world. I think there
• 2:20:48
  are lots of artists who are like I wouldn't be an artist because without me
• 2:20:52
  without you. Yeah, that's how influential they are. And I do think
• 2:21:00
  as much as we hear MxPx, I do think Me without You versus under
• 2:21:05
  Oath, those are like two of the more influential bands that we consistently hear.
• 2:21:09
  MxPx is one of those two. Yeah, but those are like the
• 2:21:11
  two the three two or three bands that we hear consistently is influential, And
• 2:21:16
  so it makes sense why a band like Me without You would get this far
• 2:21:20
  and then end up winning it all. Yeah, yeah, well me without
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  You wins. Whin's the whole thing. Any final conclusions about the entire tournament
• 2:21:31
  in general, I'm just curious, like any kind of like overarching ideas,
• 2:21:35
  thoughts, themes that you saw throughout it, any any ideas around that.
• 2:21:39
  I think it's a wonderful experiment to kind of see where there's different there's different
• 2:21:45
  interests and where those loyalties lie. You know, some of them just like
• 2:21:50
  in any bracket, but some of them just didn't make sense how they were
• 2:21:54
  winning by a little bit and then all of a sudden by a lot on
• 2:21:56
  them the very next round or not at all on the next round. Where
• 2:22:01
  the support uh Waynes and waxes is interesting to me. It makes you wonder
• 2:22:09
  where the thought process was and where those loyalty is really live. But Eric,
• 2:22:13
  I gotta I gotta say thank you for doing the Lord's work here,
• 2:22:15
  because this is this is important data. We have to have this kind of
• 2:22:18
  stuff. Oh it's fun. I'm enjoy doing it for the most part.
• 2:22:22
  For the most part, I don't you like about it? Uh, you
• 2:22:26
  know, there can be usually about halfway through some of the I get,
• 2:22:28
  you know, a little tired of all the comments. You know, this
• 2:22:33
  part, this bench should have been in it, this bench should have been
• 2:22:35
  seeing how this this. I brush it off for a while, and then
• 2:22:39
  about halfway through against to me a little bit, and then I regained my
• 2:22:43
  strength and I'm very happy with things by the time it's over. Look over
• 2:22:48
  at the screen shot right here and see how many uh notifications Mason has on
• 2:22:52
  this screen shot. Yeah, I don't even like those are twenty different arguments
• 2:22:58
  that Mason's like gonna go have here and just a few. I don't know
• 2:23:01
  how he does it, I said him, I said him. Message not
• 2:23:05
  longer. I said, how in the world do you do this? You
• 2:23:05
  have twenty times more followers than I do, and I feel like I can't
• 2:23:09
  keep up with things. Mason. Also, anytime we're hanging out, he
• 2:23:16
  spends an exclusionary amount of time on the toilet. I feel like hemorrhoids have
• 2:23:24
  to be a part of this whole situation, because well, we don't need
• 2:23:28
  to talk about that right now. You know, he's he's just, he's
• 2:23:31
  just he's just arguing only on the toilet. It's like his space. Well
• 2:23:37
  and if if, if only they knew that that's where I am doing.
• 2:23:39
  You know, that's how serious I'm taking the arguments from them. You know,
• 2:23:43
  they're they're putting like all this thought, They're like probably you know,
• 2:23:46
  they're like googling shit, They're putting all this research in and I'm like,
• 2:23:48
  I'm just saying whatever comes to mind while I'm sitting on culin max toilet.
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  And I'm perfectly fine with people disagreeing with me, you know, I'm on
• 2:24:00
  with that. It's just when people are jerks about it that it's goods to
• 2:24:03
  me. Yeah, well, wow, we should have been jerks calling.
• 2:24:05
  That would have been fun. No, that's nice. Eric's gray. Hey,
• 2:24:11
  Eric, we're gonna bring you back on at some point. Well,
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  well, we actually we should do like a very like niche Christian like super
• 2:24:18
  like underrated nobody knows about them, like Christian band thing, nobody might listen,
• 2:24:24
  but they would be really fun. Less than one thousand Spotify listeners,
• 2:24:28
  let's do. Yes, yeah, that would be. And we could title
• 2:24:31
  it like like you know, a thousand Spotify listener or less Christian music artist
• 2:24:37
  tournament or something like that. That would be. That would be a fun
• 2:24:39
  time. We could even put it out there and like ask bands that have
• 2:24:41
  less than a thousand to to give us their vouch for themselves. That'd be
• 2:24:48
  fun. That would be a lot of fun. But anyway, thank you
• 2:24:52
  so much, Eric, This has been so much fun. It's been so
• 2:24:56
  cool to just like see this whole thing blow up and so many people,
• 2:24:58
  uh be a part of this. And also, congratulations to me without you,
• 2:25:03
  pround of applause to me without you. Unbelievable, so great, such
• 2:25:09
  an incredible band and rightfully deserving of the top tooth and nail artist of all
• 2:25:13
  time. So yeah, here we are great, wonderful. Thank you so
• 2:25:18
  much, Eric, all right, Thanks for having me. Thanks man,