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Premium: CHOP/CHAZ 2 (Electric Boogaloo) · Blocked and Reported

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  SPEAKER_00: Hello, you're listening to a preview of a premium episode of Blocked or Imported.
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  SPEAKER_00: This one is mostly about a wild, sad, crazy turn of events in Madison, Wisconsin this summer.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a killing of someone by police.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was an encampment.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of a certain type of activism.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you want to hear the whole thing, go to blockedreported.org and become a premium subscriber.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the meantime, enjoy the preview.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, today's story...
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  SPEAKER_00: Might feel a little bit like a blast from the past.
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  SPEAKER_00: Back in 2020, we covered Chaz, aka Chop.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remind people what Chaz Chop was.
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  SPEAKER_02: Chaz Chop was an autonomous zone, as they like to call it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It originally stands for Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I think they renamed it Chop because Chaz sounded like the name of maybe
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  SPEAKER_02: a Cornell date rapist.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: Chaz has a boat.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alleged date rapist.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: It just didn't fit the ethos of the tone of the movement,
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  SPEAKER_02: so they renamed it CHOP, which is much more badass.
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  SPEAKER_02: And CHOP stood for Capitol Hill Occupied Protest.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this was a zone, it was about four blocks, I believe, in Seattle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Conveniently, my former office, the stranger, was located in Chaz CHOP.
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  SPEAKER_02: And these protesters during BLM summer in 2020 took it over.
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  SPEAKER_02: Someone...
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  SPEAKER_02: This is not the most important thing that happened there,
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  SPEAKER_02: but someone did spray paint my name on the building.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it was Fuck Herzog, but the way that it was written, it just looked like Fuck Herzog.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was actually early bar pod lore, Fuck Herzog.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then my former editor, Chase Burns, that's
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  SPEAKER_02: C-H-A-S-E-B-U-R-N-S. Chase Burns.
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  SPEAKER_02: Chase Burns.
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  SPEAKER_02: He tweeted a picture of it and he said, she doesn't even go here anymore.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not that I'm upset about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I definitely don't have that tweet hanging up on a dartboard in my house.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, not the most important thing that happened there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can I just say, if the roles have been reversed...
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  SPEAKER_00: You would acknowledge that that's a pretty good burn?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I won't acknowledge that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's incredibly obnoxious and incredibly uncollegial.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would not do that about...
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  SPEAKER_00: Unlike some of my own former colleagues,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would not talk shit about them publicly unless I disagree
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  SPEAKER_00: with something they wrote.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't think that's a good burn?
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  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't even go here anymore?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, he...
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is somebody who also was, like, kind to my face.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: This was, like, a very backstabby...
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's...
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay,
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  SPEAKER_00: but that's separate from the quality of—no,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's incredibly shitty,
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  SPEAKER_00: but as a burn, we need to be able to judge burns for their intensity.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, the 27-year-old who was somehow tasked with running the Stranger, he did a sick burn.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, Chop Chaz,
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  SPEAKER_02: Autonomous Zone, Summer 2020— It was like around this area called Cal Anderson Park.
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  SPEAKER_02: And basically these protesters took over the park and the surrounding area.
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  SPEAKER_02: The police,
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  SPEAKER_02: the police precinct for that area is,
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  SPEAKER_02: was in Chop Chas and the police actually fled their own precincts.
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  SPEAKER_02: Real show of force there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then it was I don't even remember how long it was existed for a couple of weeks,
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  SPEAKER_02: quickly turned into homeless encampments.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there were, I believe, two murders and unknown number of rapes that occurred.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the two young men who were murdered, by the way, were both young black men.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nellie Bowles wrote a really good piece when she was still at the Times.
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  SPEAKER_00: Abolish the police?
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  SPEAKER_00: Those who survived the chaos in Seattle aren't so sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is it like when a city abandons a neighborhood and the police vanish?
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  SPEAKER_02: Nellie's piece really centers on a businessman whose business was in that area.
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  SPEAKER_02: He owned a coffee shop.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was a regular at this place.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really nice guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was a queer...
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  SPEAKER_02: South Asian immigrant,
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  SPEAKER_02: actually,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think he was from Texas,
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  SPEAKER_02: maybe not an immigrant,
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  SPEAKER_02: but maybe first generation, Muslim, came from a Muslim family.
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  SPEAKER_02: So like,
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  SPEAKER_02: typically what,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: sort of top of the progressive stack in a place like Seattle,
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  SPEAKER_02: but he was part of a lawsuit of local business owners that sued the city publicly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did not go over well with the anti-racist activists.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Put it that way.
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  SPEAKER_02: I took your brother there, by the way, pre-chop-chop.
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  SPEAKER_00: Between us before our podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was a real credulity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Didn't the mayor say it was like the summer of love or something?
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  SPEAKER_00: Am I confusing you with the crazy?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, that was the mayor.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jenny Durkan.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was before two people were killed and there were rapes and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I don't want to say Chaz Chop is back, but a version of it was sort of back for a while.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can explain.
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  SPEAKER_00: This time we're going to Madison, Wisconsin.
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  SPEAKER_00: Katie, what do you know about Madison?
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  SPEAKER_00: You've been to Madison?
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like if I'd been to Madison, I would remember it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to say no.
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  SPEAKER_02: You never forget going to Madison.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have driven across this country so many times that it's hard to know
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  SPEAKER_02: where I've been and where I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I liked a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was really cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, on July 22nd of this year,
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  SPEAKER_00: a man named Corey Ruiz is shot and killed by the police in Madison.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was a homeless black and Hispanic guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: The incident started when police received reports of a man stealing bicycles
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  SPEAKER_00: and looking into parked cars.
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  SPEAKER_00: Police approached Ruiz.
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  SPEAKER_00: He cycled away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Videos show that he fell over on his bike.
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  SPEAKER_00: Police sort of descended on him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, is this police body cam footage or is this bystander footage?
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  SPEAKER_00: They do not have body cams in Madison.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's one of the problems.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are multiple angles.
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  SPEAKER_00: All you can really see is police sort of swarming him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Physical altercation begins.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ruiz took out or had a knife and did injure one officer.
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  SPEAKER_00: In a very short span of time, there's tasers fired.
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  SPEAKER_00: He falls to his knees.
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  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't let go of the knife.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's then shot three times and killed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, Ruiz was a troubled guy, just all sorts of stuff in his past.
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  SPEAKER_00: He'd been convicted of felonies,
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  SPEAKER_00: including possession of cocaine and marijuana,
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  SPEAKER_00: robbery, strangulation, resisting an officer, causing bodily harm.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he had a rough past and rough background.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so Troubled Past.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, this one, I'm kind of surprised that I hadn't heard of this one.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this doesn't seem to have gone viral the way
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  SPEAKER_02: that oftentimes these police shootings do go viral, particularly if there's video.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm curious about that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: It did, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: as we'll hear,
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  SPEAKER_00: it went very viral locally,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I hadn't I think I first heard about it because a listener reached out to us
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  SPEAKER_00: about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Spread far and wide and led to violence and more death because of the rumor
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  SPEAKER_00: that it was an unjustified killing.
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  SPEAKER_00: The full investigations came back and in my view, it was a textbook justified killing.
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  SPEAKER_00: People can listen to our podcast on that if they're skeptical.
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  SPEAKER_00: But But this one I think was different.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we're going to embed just a little bit of audio here.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can find the video in the show notes,
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  SPEAKER_00: but you're going to hear people respond to the actual shooting.
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  SPEAKER_00: All you can see on the video is just sort of this distant scene,
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  SPEAKER_00: which this sort of shows why police body cams would be useful.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's play that one.
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  SPEAKER_00: What the fuck?
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  SPEAKER_00: So this second clip you're going to hear a little bit from,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is from News 3 Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: posted to Facebook, and you basically see his bike, which is discarded.
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  SPEAKER_00: You see three cops wrestle with him, and then you see a fourth run onto the scene.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then you see the attempted tasing, and you hear shots, and then he stops moving.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's very hard to tell exactly what's going on in the scuffle.
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  He's got a knife!
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  He's got a knife!
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  SPEAKER_00: I think what jumps out to me here is the extent to which this guy was escaping on bike.
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  SPEAKER_00: He falls off the bike and then the cops swarm him and they seem to really escalate
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  SPEAKER_00: the situation with a guy who turned out to be mentally ill and turned out to have
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  SPEAKER_00: a knife, which they can't have known either of those at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: An ABC News contributor and former acting Department
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  SPEAKER_00: of Homeland Security undersecretary named John Cohen,
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  SPEAKER_00: he reviewed the videos and then this is from the article.
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  SPEAKER_00: First, Cohen said officials will likely review the decision by officers
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  SPEAKER_00: to forcibly restrain Ruiz the way they did rather than first ordering him to stop.
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  SPEAKER_00: Quote,
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  SPEAKER_00: Why did they not draw their weapon from a position of cover and order the individual
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  SPEAKER_00: who is no longer on the bike who had fallen to the ground not to move?
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  SPEAKER_00: Cohen asked.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so Cohen's argument is that the guy fell off his bike,
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  SPEAKER_02: he's not close to the officers, so why did they close in on him so quickly?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and this is very different from like in the Jacob Blake case,
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  SPEAKER_00: they were trying to arrest a guy on serious charges,
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  SPEAKER_00: including sexual assault,
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  SPEAKER_00: and he resisted arrest and fought back and he appears to have swung a knife at them.
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  SPEAKER_00: In this case...
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  SPEAKER_00: They were looking after a guy who they thought had stolen bikes and might have tried
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  SPEAKER_00: to steal a car.
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  SPEAKER_00: He fell off his bike fleeing from them.
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  SPEAKER_00: It seems like exactly what activists talk about,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is a situation where sometimes police escalate a situation too quickly
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  SPEAKER_00: and too recklessly.
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  SPEAKER_00: We do not yet have a full investigation into this.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's one of the issues here is that uncertainty.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I just want to make it clear that in my view,
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  SPEAKER_00: based on what I've seen of this,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is not a Jacob Blake type case where it's going to turn out
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  SPEAKER_00: the cops did everything right.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think.
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  SPEAKER_02: And are the police on leave here?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for police on administrative leave,
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  SPEAKER_00: the name of the officer who did the shooting didn't initially come out,
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  SPEAKER_00: which caused some consternation.
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  SPEAKER_00: That officer's name is Kiel Bitinger Peterson, and that name is out now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so how does this take us to an encampment?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in the immediate wake of the shooting,
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  SPEAKER_00: politicians and advocates in Madison,
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  SPEAKER_00: they do what they sometimes do, which is like they immediately pronounce judgment.
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  SPEAKER_00: The DSA's Francesca Hong, who is,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: from Wisconsin and narrowly lost in the primary for governor since this incident,
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  SPEAKER_00: she called it an execution.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Madison is the only large city in Wisconsin where police don't wear body cams.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there were immediate calls to change that.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Madison is a very, very lefty place.
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  SPEAKER_00: Its last Republican mayor was elected in 1969.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: That mayor's last name is a word I'm not allowed to say.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Katie?
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  SPEAKER_00: Faggot?
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  SPEAKER_00: Trun?
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: The one that refers to your people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lesbian?
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  SPEAKER_00: The current mayor, Satya Rhodes Conway, she's a Democrat and a lesbian.
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  SPEAKER_00: Interestingly, she had a bit of a scandal in her response to Black Lives Matter back in 2020.
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  SPEAKER_00: She had recorded a video intended just for a particular audience,
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  SPEAKER_00: which was the Madison Police Department.
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  SPEAKER_00: This video was leaked on June 9th, 2020.
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  SPEAKER_00: Katie, describe the first few seconds of the video because it's an amazing 2020 artifact.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's wearing a mask and she takes it off.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like there's just enough video to be like, look, I'm wearing a mask.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the first thing she does is take it off and start talking.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's take a listen to that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You must be exhausted.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know I am.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're facing a much more difficult situation than I am.
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  SPEAKER_01: It must be absolutely infuriating to stand in heavy gear outside while listening
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  SPEAKER_01: to people constantly insult your chosen profession.
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  SPEAKER_01: It must be frightening to stand and have rocks and other things thrown at you and
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  SPEAKER_01: to be in harm's way constantly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it must be agonizing to have worked so hard for so many years
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  SPEAKER_01: to build relationships around our city,
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  SPEAKER_01: to be as committed as I know you are to community policing and
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  SPEAKER_01: to still be criticized for not doing enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: I spoke with an officer in the CCB garage recently who said
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  SPEAKER_01: that they hoped I know how hard it is and that you are not what
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  SPEAKER_01: the protesters say you are.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know that you are working hard and doing an amazing job under unbelievably hard circumstances.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I thank you for your service.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: In a large organization like ours, communication can be really, really hard.
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  SPEAKER_01: And during times of crisis,
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  SPEAKER_01: communications often become so focused on the tasks at hand that we forget
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  SPEAKER_01: the importance of communicating about taking care of ourselves and others.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm here talking to you today because I have come to realize That I have not taken
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  SPEAKER_01: the opportunity to express my gratitude for your service or
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  SPEAKER_01: to adequately acknowledge the personal and collective sacrifices
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  SPEAKER_01: that you each have made during these incredibly challenging times.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like that she took the mask off like she's signaling to the cops like it's just us now.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: We don't need to mask.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then she does like the jerk off moment and throws the mask on the ground.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, she doesn't do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Katie, you're a pretty smart and culturally sophisticated lady.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know how to read the room.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you think this went over when this was posted to Facebook?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure that her constituents were like, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, those police are so tired, y'all.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is funny also she uses in this video,
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  SPEAKER_00: especially if you watch the whole thing,
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  SPEAKER_00: she uses a lot of that sort of therapeutic language.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I am here.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hear what you're saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the video leaked on June 9th, 2020.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Read this from NBC News, including the Dateline.
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  SPEAKER_02: June 11th, 2020.
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  SPEAKER_02: The mayor of Madison,
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  SPEAKER_02: Wisconsin,
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  SPEAKER_02: apologized after video leaked of her praising local officers and sympathizing
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  SPEAKER_02: with police over the stress of recent protests without discussing
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  SPEAKER_02: the nationwide concerns for police reforms.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mayor Satya Rhodes-Conway walked back the comments in a new video posted Wednesday
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  SPEAKER_02: where she admits she, quote, failed to center the messages-
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's such pure, undistilled 2020.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just want to inject it.
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  SPEAKER_02: The message that Black Lives Matter in her password-protected video to
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  SPEAKER_02: the Madison Police Department.
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  SPEAKER_02: I realize I may have done irreparable harm with my actions, said Rose Conway.
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  SPEAKER_02: I realize, too, I may have permanently lost any trust I may have had.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the problem here is that she was reading the wrong room.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was reading the police room and she was hiding the police,
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  SPEAKER_02: but she wasn't reading the wider room in this private conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, first of all, making a... Well, I guess everyone was socially distanced.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: I was going to say,
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  SPEAKER_00: why not just go tell the cops, hey, good job, keep it up, let's not record this.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't tell anyone I was here.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: She makes a video and then just password protects it,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's otherwise apparently on the public internet.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, ah, I wonder if this will leak.
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  SPEAKER_00: So after the video There were some calls for her resignation.
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  SPEAKER_00: They came to nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was reelected in 2023 by a 55-44 margin.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the opponent she lost to was not some woke,
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  SPEAKER_00: super left person, but actually a former law enforcement officer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's probably why she won.
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  SPEAKER_02: If Madison's super lefty and you've got the woman who apologized for being nice to
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  SPEAKER_02: the cops versus a former cop.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm just saying...
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: By 2023, so much of this stuff had dissipated.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: So one local news article says,
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: on the campaign trail,
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: both Rhodes Conway and Reyes,
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: that's her opponent,
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: focused on issues such as housing,
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: zoning, transportation and public safety, all with a focus on equity.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like, I think this gets to, do you know the idea of preference intensity?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-mm.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's this idea,
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's from political science or sociology or something,
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: that if you have 100 people in a room and they're deciding what kind of ice cream
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: to order, 90 of them want strawberry.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: They sort of want strawberry.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: 10 of them are like vanilla jihadists and they will fight and kill and punch their way.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: The vanilla people are going to win, even if I'm...
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: There's far fewer of them.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I think one theme of this story is the extent,
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: as we've seen,
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: to which like really loud, crazy activists can just seize the narrative.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: But when it comes time to get reelected mayor,
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: it doesn't really matter what those activists think.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we've seen this over and over.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's Joe Biden winning the, what year was it?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: 2020 primary.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: It was 2020.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so before we get back to what happened that summer,
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: one other thing I want to note about 2020,
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: the city started its Police Civilian Oversight Board tasked with, quote,
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: reviewing and making recommendations on police discipline,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: use of force and other policies.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Very 2020 call for applications.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's looking for applicants who have personally experienced, Katie.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Homelessness, mental health.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Substance abuse and or arrest on conviction records,
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: racial and ethnic diversity,
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: including African American, Asian, Latinx,
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Native American,
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: members of the LGBTQ community,
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: and affiliation with organization in the field of mental health,
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: youth advocacy, and AODA.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: What's that?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Disability?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: But I like the idea of seeking out people who are mentally ill and homeless.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's what you want.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Back to 2026.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: The first protests begin the day after Ruiz was killed.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: People interrupt a free outdoor orchestral concert.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: The day after the shooting,
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: police chief John Patterson also holds a press conference about the incident,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: instantly interrupted by a protester.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Katie, let's play this audio here and please watch the first part of this video.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: The thinness of trust in the city right now did not start.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: No, we can shut this down.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: You can stop talking because we don't want to hear anything you've been saying.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: You're going to say the same thing you all say every time
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: a black body gets shot down in this city.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: This is a corrupt city.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_03: Have no fear.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_03: The anti-Zionist is here.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: You understand?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: Understand me?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: You won't be able to talk today because I'm going to keep talking because I was born
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_03: to talk my talk and walk my walk too.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: I told these young people back here on our way here that we have the power,
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: not that badge, not that weapon.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: We have the power.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: The city of Madison is corrupt.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: From the DA to the, what's the name of this?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: The Department of Independent Moderate.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: We don't want any of that talk.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: You've given us this speech with, you'll deliver justice.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, we've seen the cameras.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: We've seen.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: It was a knife in this young man's hand.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: We don't want to hear that today.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't want to hear it when they put their foot on George Floyd's neck,
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: and we don't want to hear it today.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: What do you have to say about that?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you don't get the dog, I said.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: Go ahead.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Enough is enough.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go step aside.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: Give me this microphone then.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: Excuse me.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: My name is Carlos.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: Describe this still image as sort of striking.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so the police chief who has seated his position at the podium,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: he's standing back a little bit and there's a man,
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: a protester,
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: who has grabbed the microphone and then there's another protester,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: a woman, who is holding a sign that says, corrupt cops deserve to die too.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck you, kill Peterson.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a reference to the name of the officer accused in the shooting.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: So this, again, this is like very 2020 of the police chief just giving the mic to a person.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: And what you heard on that audio was, I represent APTAP, All Powered All People, 0%.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Zero power to Zionists, zero power to capitalists, zero power to colonialism.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's the monocons.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the omnicons.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it's that thing where a very serious thing happened.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: A guy was killed by police.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's a And quickly,
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: the people who swarm in aren't necessarily just concerned with that,
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: but they're concerned with a lot of other stuff, too.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: And this omni-cause would become a bit of a theme.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Here's audio from It's nearly eight hours long.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Jessica, the 80s baby, found this highlight.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: This is a woman calling in who's associated with the Social Justice Center.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: We've got two clips.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Katie, listen to this first one.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: I have been living in Madison for 26 years and every few years is
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: a great article written by
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: an amazing black man reminding white people how crappy they are and how crappy
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: the city is.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm using my polite words, Mayor Satya.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: I would like to draw attention to all of the times that you wear white, Mayor.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: As a suffragist or a feminist, it's giving a lot of Klan today.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: So please stop wearing white.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's all you get.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to hear the whole thing, go to blockedreported.org and become a premium subscriber.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you and hope you enjoyed.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.