Latest / Stuff Mom Never Told You / Happy Hour #22: Apologies to Boyfriends Past
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- 0:05Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
- 0:08Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio. It is Thursday,
- 0:19Speaker 1: which means it's time for another happy hour. And despite
- 0:23Speaker 1: the title on this one, I think this one's gonna
- 0:25Speaker 1: be fun. Um, So I'm commiserating perfect despite the title. Yes, yes,
- 0:34Speaker 1: I happen to like the title. But I also like
- 0:36Speaker 1: a lot of sad things, so that's you know, whatever,
- 0:39Speaker 1: what are you sitting on, Samantha. You know what, I'm
- 0:42Speaker 1: gonna keep it simple and get one of my favorite
- 0:45Speaker 1: white wines. Pretty much the only white wine that I'll
- 0:48Speaker 1: ever drink is Vino Verde and it's the Traitor Joe version.
- 0:53Speaker 1: So you've been classier. Yeah, and it's kind of got
- 0:57Speaker 1: that definitely a lot more tart than your typical white wines,
- 1:01Speaker 1: as well as a lot more clean to me than
- 1:04Speaker 1: because I don't like a lot of like the the
- 1:07Speaker 1: smoky wood ish taste that happens that buttery. It's not
- 1:12Speaker 1: that at all. But yeah, and it's super cheap, so cheers.
- 1:16Speaker 1: It's super cold because Atlanta is super hot. Yes, actually,
- 1:21Speaker 1: I was going to get wine because I feel like
- 1:23Speaker 1: this is a very wine. I know, it's a cliche,
- 1:26Speaker 1: but like to reminisce over past relationships over wine. But
- 1:29Speaker 1: we've been recording for about four hours now and we're
- 1:32Speaker 1: in my closet and it's so hot. So I switched
- 1:35Speaker 1: up my drink and I'm going to get some judgment
- 1:37Speaker 1: for this one, but I love this. It is a
- 1:42Speaker 1: little bit of vodka pickle juice, saratcha, it's sparkling water.
- 1:52Speaker 1: I had to get really creative because I never have
- 1:54Speaker 1: any fixers. And when this guy sent me a bunch
- 1:57Speaker 1: of pickles, that's a story for a different day, but
- 2:00Speaker 1: I had a lot of pickles. I was like, what
- 2:07Speaker 1: what can I eat? Mix this with? And I was like,
- 2:09Speaker 1: I have a bunch of pickle juice. So I started
- 2:11Speaker 1: putting it my drinks and I find it very refreshing.
- 2:13Speaker 1: But I know it's odd. Um. It is something I
- 2:16Speaker 1: loved as a kid. I love to drink just pickle juice.
- 2:19Speaker 1: A lot of people do. I love pickles, but I'm
- 2:21Speaker 1: very picky about my pickles and I'll only eat one
- 2:23Speaker 1: brand because to me, the rest of them are too uh,
- 2:27Speaker 1: soggy and sad. So I'll only eat one brand, one type.
- 2:31Speaker 1: And I have to stock up because apparently they run
- 2:34Speaker 1: out of this one brand every time if you don't
- 2:36Speaker 1: get it immediately. I even followed them on Twitter. Don't
- 2:40Speaker 1: start with me. There's no shame. I won't drink that,
- 2:47Speaker 1: but there's no shame. It's very refreshing. I'm good. I
- 2:54Speaker 1: almost lying about it. I was almost not going to.
- 2:58Speaker 1: I have to be open and honest. That's a this
- 3:00Speaker 1: episode is about. And as always, drink responsibly if you
- 3:04Speaker 1: choose to do so. Yeah, we just want you all
- 3:07Speaker 1: to hang out with us. And I think this is
- 3:09Speaker 1: something that a lot of us can relate to, because
- 3:11Speaker 1: what I wanted to talk about today is something I
- 3:13Speaker 1: have been kind of mulling over and I think a
- 3:16Speaker 1: lot of people have throughout this quarantine um and in
- 3:19Speaker 1: my case specifically, as I've learned more about myself and
- 3:22Speaker 1: how I identify and more about mindfulness, some things that
- 3:25Speaker 1: I would have done differently I wish I had known
- 3:29Speaker 1: when I was younger and in relationships. So I do
- 3:32Speaker 1: want to say I know a lot of people get
- 3:34Speaker 1: a little um angry about when women apologize, and especially
- 3:39Speaker 1: in a case like this where it's like apologies to
- 3:41Speaker 1: boyfriends past. It's not coming from the sense that I
- 3:44Speaker 1: feel that I did anything wrong Necessarily. I think I
- 3:51Speaker 1: just wasn't in a good place or you know, like
- 3:54Speaker 1: I was learning, or we're in different places at different times,
- 3:56Speaker 1: so maybe I did do things wrong. But it's more
- 3:58Speaker 1: of like a almost an apology to myself but also
- 4:02Speaker 1: the person that I did care about and in some
- 4:04Speaker 1: cases still do care about, that I didn't have the
- 4:07Speaker 1: tools or awareness then and that I might have hurt
- 4:12Speaker 1: that person. But it's coming much for from a place
- 4:15Speaker 1: of like I've healed and moved on and just kind
- 4:18Speaker 1: of like, hey, if it wasn't a weird thing to do,
- 4:23Speaker 1: I would apologize to you for this thing. That's nice. Yeah. See,
- 4:29Speaker 1: Samantha and I am very different break up attitudes because
- 4:34Speaker 1: I have seen most of the people I've broken up with,
- 4:36Speaker 1: especially if we dated for a while like after and
- 4:39Speaker 1: more than once after. This is not how you are, right, Samantha.
- 4:43Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, they must go into the abyss
- 4:45Speaker 1: of boyfriend's past and never to be seen again. And
- 4:49Speaker 1: I am okay with that. Yeah. I definitely have the
- 4:53Speaker 1: whole different like take on all of that typically because um, hey,
- 4:57Speaker 1: I'm not great relationships, so and I say that in
- 5:01Speaker 1: every aspect of I don't understand completely how relationships are
- 5:05Speaker 1: supposed to go, whether it's my ideas or my frame
- 5:10Speaker 1: of reference. Are romance movies really bad romance movies, or
- 5:14Speaker 1: my parents who have been together from the beginning, like
- 5:17Speaker 1: it's just it's just been that way, or my people
- 5:21Speaker 1: around me who have gotten divorces that does not look
- 5:23Speaker 1: pretty or stuck in really sad relationships, And of course
- 5:28Speaker 1: it's definitely those who are in wonderful, beautiful relationships, but
- 5:31Speaker 1: also I'm also one of those that has not a
- 5:33Speaker 1: big tie, so meaning we may I don't date within
- 5:36Speaker 1: typically my friend group this one time absolutely not necessarily
- 5:40Speaker 1: a friend group, but they are in close quarters or
- 5:42Speaker 1: we would be in trouble. I typically don't date within
- 5:46Speaker 1: working scenarios, so I can't like you are not part
- 5:50Speaker 1: of me, like, nope, were good. We are separate here,
- 5:56Speaker 1: So for me, a lot of that has happened. Didn't
- 5:58Speaker 1: start having relationships till my twenties either, so that's a
- 6:01Speaker 1: whole different conversation as well. So I feel like the
- 6:04Speaker 1: way I've set myself up has always been kind of
- 6:07Speaker 1: that way, and it's not again, not that I'm angry
- 6:09Speaker 1: necessarily it's there's this level of embarrassment of like, oh,
- 6:14Speaker 1: these are the things that we did in our relationships.
- 6:16Speaker 1: I can't see you in any other way than oh,
- 6:19Speaker 1: my god, we did that. Let's move on. Even though
- 6:21Speaker 1: there's nothing shameful, it just feels that way. So a
- 6:25Speaker 1: lot of that again, my my whole aspect is like
- 6:30Speaker 1: I just I want I want to forget. I mean,
- 6:33Speaker 1: how do I forget you? So you don't like ruminate
- 6:36Speaker 1: on if I had done this or if I had
- 6:38Speaker 1: done that. Of course I do, Like I am a
- 6:41Speaker 1: very very deep I analyze everything to the core. But
- 6:48Speaker 1: after that is done, and I will obsess for a
- 6:50Speaker 1: little while, Like I will definitely do that and get
- 6:53Speaker 1: into my feelings and be really hurt and it'll be painful,
- 6:56Speaker 1: Like it feels like a death to me, which is
- 6:58Speaker 1: probat of the problem I think. And we're gonna talk
- 7:00Speaker 1: a little bit about my attachment issues that if I
- 7:03Speaker 1: let you in, it's really hard and it's super painful
- 7:06Speaker 1: to cut you out. And it feels like that because
- 7:08Speaker 1: it feels like something has been pulled away from me,
- 7:10Speaker 1: and there's this moment of like take about breath away
- 7:13Speaker 1: because it just feels empty. So especially again if I've
- 7:17Speaker 1: let you in to my life or into the level
- 7:21Speaker 1: of being intimate in any way, so I may really
- 7:25Speaker 1: be hurt and in pain for a good like maybe
- 7:30Speaker 1: even like two months, like you know, and it doesn't matter.
- 7:34Speaker 1: Sex in the City has an episode where it gives
- 7:36Speaker 1: you a calculation of how long you have, like the
- 7:38Speaker 1: half the time that you've been together to really be hurt.
- 7:43Speaker 1: So if you've been together with someone for six months,
- 7:44Speaker 1: you have three months to get over it. I don't
- 7:47Speaker 1: think those calculations are correct somewhere like that, but I
- 7:53Speaker 1: it may take me a while, but once it's over,
- 7:55Speaker 1: it's over, and I want you to be gone, okay,
- 7:58Speaker 1: okay for ever? Yeah, I And then that's been very interesting.
- 8:08Speaker 1: I think when we've had conversations about this, because we
- 8:10Speaker 1: do have such a different approaches, we're I'll be telling
- 8:13Speaker 1: you about like, oh, I'm gonna go see my ex
- 8:15Speaker 1: boyfriend for this, and you're like, why, yeah, yeah, it is,
- 8:19Speaker 1: I'm very shocked. Well, and to be fair, how's the
- 8:22Speaker 1: time between you and everybody else who do see their
- 8:24Speaker 1: exes is typically because they're still using you for something
- 8:29Speaker 1: that's yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, and to be fair, I also,
- 8:37Speaker 1: I think this is natural, but when that happens, there
- 8:40Speaker 1: is an element of what is this really about? Like
- 8:43Speaker 1: you're trying to get to the underlying reason. And I
- 8:46Speaker 1: do want to say, like we're talking about boyfriends here,
- 8:50Speaker 1: and I'm talking about boyfriends here. I have dated women,
- 8:53Speaker 1: but I've never had quite as long term of a
- 8:56Speaker 1: relationship with a woman. And if I if I was
- 9:00Speaker 1: apologies to girlfriends passed, it would be I had no
- 9:04Speaker 1: idea what I was doing. I had no idea what
- 9:07Speaker 1: I was doing, and I was waiting on the other
- 9:09Speaker 1: person to show me right yes, and and also very unsure,
- 9:16Speaker 1: which I really appreciated. A lot of listeners have written
- 9:18Speaker 1: in about this of being in college when this was
- 9:21Speaker 1: happening and doubting like, oh am I just college experimenting
- 9:25Speaker 1: and then feeling really terrible that I might be doing
- 9:27Speaker 1: that to somebody. It didn't turn out to be the case,
- 9:29Speaker 1: but I got I got it in my head about
- 9:32Speaker 1: that of like, am I just doing this because it's
- 9:35Speaker 1: cool or something? Which is really unfortunate. And I did
- 9:39Speaker 1: have some really sweet relationships that meant a lot to me,
- 9:42Speaker 1: And that's that's something when I look back on most
- 9:45Speaker 1: of my relationships, not all of them. I don't think
- 9:48Speaker 1: that they were a waste of time because I did
- 9:51Speaker 1: learn something about myself and what I want, and a
- 9:55Speaker 1: lot of them, and a lot of them I had
- 9:57Speaker 1: like some beautiful times and memories that we made. But yeah,
- 10:01Speaker 1: there are things that I catch myself wishing I could
- 10:04Speaker 1: apologize for. And it is not that the other person
- 10:08Speaker 1: who's blameless, but yeah, just sort of an acknowledgement of
- 10:11Speaker 1: like I didn't know how to deal with this at
- 10:15Speaker 1: this time, and I might have hurt you because of it,
- 10:17Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. So one of the big ones is communication.
- 10:22Speaker 1: And it's so funny because we say that all the time,
- 10:24Speaker 1: and I feel like we all know it, but we
- 10:27Speaker 1: all make this mistake. And I didn't know what I
- 10:32Speaker 1: wanted and I didn't know how to speak up for it.
- 10:34Speaker 1: So I just would kind of like almost like a
- 10:37Speaker 1: kind of a flight or fright, like freeze sensation, but
- 10:42Speaker 1: I would make it appear as though, you know, I'll
- 10:45Speaker 1: just do whatever they want and make it look like
- 10:47Speaker 1: I want that thing to write because I didn't. I
- 10:50Speaker 1: didn't know. But that in turn lead to a building
- 10:54Speaker 1: up of issues and of almost resentment. I don't think
- 10:57Speaker 1: I ever really reached that where we didn't want the
- 11:01Speaker 1: same things, but we weren't communicating about it and we
- 11:04Speaker 1: were misunderstanding each other's like needs around it. And also
- 11:09Speaker 1: I'm just a very I'm not good in relationships either,
- 11:13Speaker 1: I guess are I. I am someone who's very um open,
- 11:20Speaker 1: and I will say things that perhaps you shouldn't. You
- 11:25Speaker 1: wouldn't say so I would. I remember one memory that
- 11:28Speaker 1: make it feels it makes me feel really bad, but
- 11:30Speaker 1: I was talking about somebody had a crush on to
- 11:32Speaker 1: my boyfriend. But it was just like I get crushes
- 11:35Speaker 1: and they they're like this and then they move on.
- 11:38Speaker 1: And it wasn't a thing to make him jealous. It
- 11:40Speaker 1: wasn't any but I get that that's what normally in
- 11:43Speaker 1: relationships it would be, and I feel I feel terribly
- 11:48Speaker 1: about it. I didn't mean it that way, but I'm
- 11:50Speaker 1: sure that it hurt and I did. It's right. I
- 11:54Speaker 1: think a part of that is being a sexual where
- 11:56Speaker 1: it's I know nothing's going to come of this thing,
- 11:58Speaker 1: and it's just sort of like, oh he loves dn
- 12:01Speaker 1: D and I love dn D and right now it's great,
- 12:02Speaker 1: and then I'll never see him again. And it'll suck.
- 12:05Speaker 1: But that's just how it is, right, I think, And
- 12:08Speaker 1: one of the big things that we don't talk about
- 12:10Speaker 1: enough in general when we talk about communications. Yes, so
- 12:13Speaker 1: we definitely need to do that. But part of the
- 12:15Speaker 1: thing with communication is being able to trust that you
- 12:18Speaker 1: can say it. And that's a big proponent that we
- 12:22Speaker 1: don't put a lot of stock in just because we
- 12:24Speaker 1: say it doesn't mean it's gonna be received well. And
- 12:26Speaker 1: if we're watching to see how it's received, that's part
- 12:29Speaker 1: of trust. And I think even though yes, we can
- 12:32Speaker 1: simply say communicate this will make things better, that's not
- 12:35Speaker 1: necessarily true. And a lot of that is guarding, which
- 12:38Speaker 1: is why you say you communicated you thought so and
- 12:42Speaker 1: so was fun and that it was a small crush
- 12:45Speaker 1: that was a huge mistake, and that that that kind
- 12:47Speaker 1: of that kind of leads to the conversation is Okay,
- 12:51Speaker 1: do I trust you enough and do you know me
- 12:53Speaker 1: well enough that when I say this you know what
- 12:56Speaker 1: is being said? And of course the communication part is
- 13:00Speaker 1: able to come back and be like, Okay, let's let's
- 13:02Speaker 1: talk about this. I was bothered. Can we sort through it?
- 13:06Speaker 1: And that's that's a big difference, is that. Yes, it's
- 13:09Speaker 1: a simple term is be honest, be open, but but
- 13:11Speaker 1: not to honest too open. Engage, engage what what is
- 13:15Speaker 1: being said and what is being heard. And that's part
- 13:18Speaker 1: of the problem. I'm in my head all of the
- 13:20Speaker 1: time thinking if I say this, this is going to
- 13:24Speaker 1: be a problem, right, and to the point that I
- 13:27Speaker 1: won't say it because I don't want to be a
- 13:29Speaker 1: part of problem. Right. And that has everything to do
- 13:32Speaker 1: with trust, and that's a whole different level, and it's
- 13:35Speaker 1: kind of is just a cyclical thing of if one
- 13:38Speaker 1: is without the other, you're not going to receive either.
- 13:40Speaker 1: So it's kind of that balance of understanding that and
- 13:45Speaker 1: with that communication being on the same page. And that's hard.
- 13:49Speaker 1: That's hard. Yeah, that's an excellent point because I think
- 13:53Speaker 1: one of the biggest things when I look back of
- 13:57Speaker 1: this relationship in particular, I was, is like, even if
- 14:02Speaker 1: I wanted to trust, and I think that there it
- 14:05Speaker 1: was a pretty safe space because of all this other
- 14:07Speaker 1: stuff I've gone through, I didn't completely trust and I
- 14:11Speaker 1: was too scared to even admit to myself that And
- 14:17Speaker 1: so I definitely didn't admit it because it's it was
- 14:19Speaker 1: kind of like a charade that I was. I was fine,
- 14:22Speaker 1: it's okay, but it wasn't fine. It wasn't okay. So
- 14:25Speaker 1: I think in this like when I told him about
- 14:27Speaker 1: the crush, even though I didn't mean it to be,
- 14:30Speaker 1: I do think there was a part of me being like,
- 14:32Speaker 1: let's just end this like or planning some kind of
- 14:36Speaker 1: like because at that point it had been many years
- 14:39Speaker 1: and it was kind of clear that something was amiss, right.
- 14:43Speaker 1: And and that's another thing when I look back, and Samantha,
- 14:47Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this before of I
- 14:51Speaker 1: am happy being single, and I am a very active person.
- 14:56Speaker 1: So a lot of times I would I would do
- 15:01Speaker 1: what I wanted to do over like I was kind
- 15:04Speaker 1: of selfish. I would support you. I was happy to
- 15:08Speaker 1: support people. Um, but if it like push came to
- 15:11Speaker 1: shove and I really didn't want to do the thing
- 15:13Speaker 1: that you wanted to do, I would do the thing
- 15:15Speaker 1: that I wanted to do. And it wasn't meant to
- 15:17Speaker 1: be a power play, but I can absolutely see how
- 15:22Speaker 1: how it could be. And and that again is just
- 15:25Speaker 1: I don't think I communicated well around. I was happy
- 15:30Speaker 1: with the relationship where it was in terms of I
- 15:32Speaker 1: have like a really great friend and we do stuff
- 15:35Speaker 1: together and we were really close, but the other person
- 15:37Speaker 1: wasn't happy, like wanted more, and so yeah, I think
- 15:42Speaker 1: even if I didn't realize it, it was kind of like, well,
- 15:46Speaker 1: I'm going to do my thing and it will be fine,
- 15:50Speaker 1: which isn't great, right, And I think that's one of
- 15:53Speaker 1: the other parts in any relationship is having things in common.
- 15:58Speaker 1: Commonalities are important, So if you can't do it together,
- 16:01Speaker 1: then you have the understanding of, oh, we're gonna do
- 16:04Speaker 1: our own thing, and that's cool too. So either it's
- 16:08Speaker 1: either or like it. It definitely is that level you
- 16:11Speaker 1: need to have an understanding or do the same things.
- 16:14Speaker 1: And I think I don't necessarily yes say this selfish,
- 16:17Speaker 1: especially if you don't do it in a level of
- 16:20Speaker 1: being open and on as a communicative about what's happening,
- 16:25Speaker 1: for sure, I think. And again, not great, not great relationships.
- 16:29Speaker 1: Still learning a lot, learning a lot about myself, but
- 16:32Speaker 1: understanding myself and knowing that, yeah, I'm the same way,
- 16:34Speaker 1: like like I'm gonna either do it or not, and
- 16:36Speaker 1: you can join or not, but I'm gonna give you
- 16:39Speaker 1: that same space and freedom and as long as we're
- 16:41Speaker 1: not having hurt feelings right. And I remember talking to
- 16:45Speaker 1: as a nanny. When I was a nanny, I I
- 16:48Speaker 1: was a nanny for a singer. He was a popular singer,
- 16:52Speaker 1: and the wife stayed at home and with the kids
- 16:56Speaker 1: and just did her own thing, um, and they were
- 16:58Speaker 1: able to afford nanny's and all of that, so he
- 17:01Speaker 1: would be gone for weeks at a time and it
- 17:02Speaker 1: was beautiful. She talked about how amazing the relationship was
- 17:05Speaker 1: because she had her time, hang out with her friends,
- 17:07Speaker 1: do her thing. He came home and she dedicated those
- 17:10Speaker 1: two weeks that she saw him per month to him
- 17:13Speaker 1: only and whatever he wanted to do. But then when
- 17:15Speaker 1: he left, she did her thing. And I was like, actually,
- 17:18Speaker 1: a really great setup. I want that right, right, It
- 17:22Speaker 1: could work as long as you understand yeah, exactly, yeah.
- 17:26Speaker 1: And I think that was part of my problem, as
- 17:29Speaker 1: I was also too in my head about this is
- 17:32Speaker 1: what a relationship looks like, this is what I've seen,
- 17:35Speaker 1: and this is what I've been told, and I was
- 17:37Speaker 1: trying to fit into that. But also at the same time,
- 17:41Speaker 1: I was really fighting it, even if I didn't recognize it.
- 17:44Speaker 1: I was like resisting it as hard as I could.
- 17:47Speaker 1: And we were in different spaces at different times in
- 17:51Speaker 1: all these relationships, and I didn't understand myself very well,
- 17:56Speaker 1: and I think that is pretty key if you want
- 17:58Speaker 1: healthy health the relationship. And I still catch myself getting
- 18:05Speaker 1: fomo of you know, what if I had what if
- 18:08Speaker 1: I had been in a different place, or what if
- 18:10Speaker 1: I had not been in such I was great at avoidance.
- 18:15Speaker 1: I still am great at avoidance, great a denial. But
- 18:18Speaker 1: if I hadn't done that and had like gone into
- 18:20Speaker 1: therapy earlier, are are all these different things? Could this
- 18:24Speaker 1: have been? Could I have been happy in this life?
- 18:26Speaker 1: And I don't think I made an incorrect decision, Like
- 18:29Speaker 1: I said, I don't think I wasted time. I learned
- 18:31Speaker 1: a lot. I hope they don't feel like they wasted time.
- 18:33Speaker 1: But whatever done matter. But at the same time, it's
- 18:35Speaker 1: hard not to think about those things, right, I mean,
- 18:38Speaker 1: I dedically I think I have one of those. I
- 18:41Speaker 1: only have really one of those, and the what ifs
- 18:44Speaker 1: turns out it's all in well, great, everything's fine, but
- 18:48Speaker 1: there's like I could have done this better. I wonder
- 18:50Speaker 1: what have happened if I would have opened myself up
- 18:53Speaker 1: a little more out of my own fears. But again,
- 18:58Speaker 1: what I am today, is that I should be. I
- 19:00Speaker 1: do feel that, yeah, and I it is. It is
- 19:05Speaker 1: funny to me how you can I feel such pressure
- 19:08Speaker 1: from society and be so close to somebody and I
- 19:13Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I wonder sometimes about the other
- 19:17Speaker 1: side of like the story that they are telling their friends.
- 19:23Speaker 1: I think about that too, Yes, how do they portray
- 19:29Speaker 1: me exactly? Exactly? And then on the other on the
- 19:33Speaker 1: other hand, I have been talking about this with some
- 19:35Speaker 1: friends that I hadn't previously talked about it before, and
- 19:37Speaker 1: they've been telling me some things where I'm like, wow,
- 19:40Speaker 1: I did not realize you felt this way about that person, Okay,
- 19:44Speaker 1: which is equally interesting. So yeah, yeah, I just wanted
- 19:50Speaker 1: to have take this space. You know. Apologies, it's a
- 19:53Speaker 1: boyfriend's past. I don't apologize. Samantha Firmley does not apologize. Um,
- 20:01Speaker 1: but yeah, recognizing giving my own self space to grow
- 20:07Speaker 1: and make mistakes. Relationships aren't easy and learning about yourself
- 20:11Speaker 1: as an easy. So here we are. We're just doing
- 20:14Speaker 1: the best we can. Yes, we are. Cheers to that
- 20:18Speaker 1: the best we can do, the best we can. Cheers Samantha,
- 20:21Speaker 1: And she's see you listeners. We would love to hear
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