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The Late Debate | 10 April · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lewens and German.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debates.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the program.
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Speaker 4: I'm Kayla Bond with Joe Hildebrand and Liz Storer. A
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Speaker 4: little bit later we'll tell you about the journalist who
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Speaker 4: has given a suspended sentence and find for posting a meme.
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Speaker 3: About a politician.
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Speaker 4: I wish it wasn't real, but it is indeed in
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Speaker 4: the papers. How social media companies are using data from
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Speaker 4: outside of their websites and apps to target ads at
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Speaker 4: young children, and what happens when C and N Shock
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Speaker 4: Horror of all broadcasters miss genders someone. We'll show you
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Speaker 4: that a little bit later, but before we get into
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Speaker 4: all of that, of course, the breaking news tonight coming
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Speaker 4: from The Australian, is that Peter Dutton, the Opposition leader,
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Speaker 4: has allegedly been the target of a foiled terror plot.
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Speaker 4: It says on the front of Tomorrow's Australian Exclusive from
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Speaker 4: Michael McKenna and Lydia Lynch that Peter Dutton was allegedly
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Speaker 4: the target of a Brisbane private school student charged with
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Speaker 4: buying ingredients to make bombs and testing homemade explosives in
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Speaker 4: preparation to launch a terrorist attack.
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Speaker 3: He he's sixteen.
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Speaker 4: He can't be named for legal reasons and faced court today.
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Speaker 4: Will get into a bit more detail about that later
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Speaker 4: in the show, but an extraordinary story to break at
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Speaker 4: this point in the election campaign. Onto other things, though,
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Speaker 4: how smart do you think you'd need to be in
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Speaker 4: order to become a teacher? And you'd like to think
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Speaker 4: that the people who are standing up in front of
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Speaker 4: the classroom teaching the next generation, in enriching their minds,
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Speaker 4: allowing them to go off into the world to become
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Speaker 4: productive citizens and workers, would be some of the best
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Speaker 4: you could find. You need the kind of people who
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Speaker 4: can enlighten children and also make them want to learn.
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Speaker 4: And that's not a skill that everyone has. It takes
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Speaker 4: a certain type of person to be a teacher, and
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Speaker 4: someone with a bit of intellect you would think, well,
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Speaker 4: not so, it had seen because we have the numbers,
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Speaker 4: the atars that people are being admitted to teaching degrees with,
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Speaker 4: and in some cases they are as low as thirty
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Speaker 4: nine point three five. Yes, this is the reporting today.
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Speaker 4: At the University of Tasmania, the OZ says has offered
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Speaker 4: a place in a primary school teaching degree to an
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Speaker 4: applicant with a raw Atar of thirty nine point three
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Speaker 4: point five, a rank reflecting the bottom four percent of
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Speaker 4: high school results. Yes, you can get into a teaching
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Speaker 4: degree to go back to school to teach the next
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Speaker 4: generation if you were in the bottom four percent of
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Speaker 4: the people who graduated when you left school.
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Speaker 3: Try and make it make sense.
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Speaker 4: The educationalist Jason Claire said that too many teachers leave
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Speaker 4: university and don't feel prepared because their course doesn't have
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Speaker 4: the fundamentals to teach kids to read and write and
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Speaker 4: count and how to help brand new teachers manage disruptive classrooms.
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Speaker 4: And look, that may well be the case, but I
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Speaker 4: rather think there's another problem if the people who were
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Speaker 4: going into those courses where they don't learn how to
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Speaker 4: teach children how to read and write, probably can't read
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Speaker 4: and write themselves, because that is what we're talking about
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Speaker 4: here now. There are certain things that have been instituted
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Speaker 4: in the last decade, including exit tests that student teachers
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Speaker 4: have to take to show that they have general levels
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Speaker 4: of competency when it comes to mathematics and being able to.
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Speaker 3: Read and write.
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Speaker 4: They're actually failing those tests at extraordinary levels. So if
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Speaker 4: they're coming in the system, one end and coming out
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Speaker 4: the other there's not much being done for them while
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Speaker 4: they're there. But this has been going on for some time.
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Speaker 4: It was back in twenty sixteen, nine years ago, that
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Speaker 4: we learned that people getting into university to study teaching
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Speaker 4: with atars of under fifty had doubled to fourteen point
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Speaker 4: three percent. That's fourteen point three percent of all people
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Speaker 4: who were going into teaching degrees in twenty sixteen had
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Speaker 4: an ATAR of under fifty, and more than half of
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Speaker 4: them had an ATAR of under seventy. Seventy is the
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Speaker 4: average ATAR that students leave school with, so you can
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Speaker 4: see just how bad this is. And Tenia bittersick back
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Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, of course, before they came to government.
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Speaker 4: Three years before they came to government said that a
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Speaker 4: labor government would institute a tar cap so that you
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Speaker 4: would have to meet a minimum in order to get
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Speaker 4: into university. I know, Joe that Victoria has a cap
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Speaker 4: of seventy, but it doesn't exist across the rest of
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Speaker 4: the country.
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Speaker 3: It should have existed three years ago to ten years.
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Speaker 1: It should have and look to be fair to the government,
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Speaker 1: they're doing a huge amount of work in overhauling, not
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Speaker 1: just a mark Scott, the Vice Chancelor of the University
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Speaker 1: of City, is leading this massive sort of wholesale review
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Speaker 1: basically going back to the drawing board on teaching degrees,
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Speaker 1: saying how do we attract the best and brightest to it,
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Speaker 1: how do we make sure that we get more people
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Speaker 1: because the number of people going into teaching degrees has
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Speaker 1: been dropping off and it's just started to stabilize now,
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Speaker 1: I believe, And of course the number of people who
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Speaker 1: go into teaching often burn out and after five or
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Speaker 1: ten years, and there's a whole bunch of reasons for that. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: if you are not academically qualified or competent, or you
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Speaker 1: don't have sufficient literacy and numerousy skills, you're not going
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Speaker 1: to be able to cope in a classroom environment. So
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Speaker 1: you have to make sure that you get those. It's
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Speaker 1: very much a back to basics approach where you are doing.
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Speaker 1: There's more of a focus on the three hours, getting
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Speaker 1: rid of a whole bunch of really stupid, trendy teaching
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Speaker 1: techniques that have been kind of bedevling the profession in
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Speaker 1: recent decades. So all of this is happening in the meantime,
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Speaker 1: though we do have this massive teacher shortage right across
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Speaker 1: the country. In the biggest state, New South Wales, there's
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Speaker 1: an enormous teacher shortage to the point where they actually
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Speaker 1: had to call teachers out of retirement, and there's been
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Speaker 1: teachers job sharing classroom, so one class will have one teacher,
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Speaker 1: same class have one teacher on Mondays and Tuesdays and
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Speaker 1: different ones Wednesdays, Thursday, Fridays, which obviously is not ideal.
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Speaker 1: So I suppose there's this sort of immediate problem, which
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Speaker 1: is we need to get as many teachers as possible
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Speaker 1: just to fill the shortages that exist in the classroom.
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Speaker 1: And then there's a bigger problem, which is how do
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Speaker 1: we long term make sure that teaching is a profession
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Speaker 1: that is respected, that attracts people to it. And the
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Speaker 1: most important thing for that is that teaching is valued
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Speaker 1: and respected and that teachers are held in esteem in
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Speaker 1: the community. And there was this incredible survey done by
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Speaker 1: Monash University a couple of years ago found something that
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Speaker 1: was a huge number. The vast majority of teachers actually
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Speaker 1: found believed that they were not valued by the community. Now,
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Speaker 1: if you have people who are actually in that profession
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Speaker 1: who think we are not being valued and are still there.
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Speaker 1: Imagine what everyone else thinks. So I go on because
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Speaker 1: I've done a huge amount of working in this area
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Speaker 1: and the Telly's run some great campaigns called all the News,
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Speaker 1: court Masters have called best in Class and Australia's Best
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Speaker 1: Teacher to try and specifically to try to fix this
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Speaker 1: problem and turn it around. So it is being turned around,
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Speaker 1: but with really really small universities like the University of Tasmania,
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Speaker 1: where you need a lot of atars to get in
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Speaker 1: it across the board. Because it's a much smaller university,
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Speaker 1: you don't have that many people clamoring to get into it.
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Speaker 1: It's a long way away obviously from the mainland. It's
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Speaker 1: pretty close to probably closer to Antarctica than it is
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Speaker 1: to James Cook. So a great little university though, But
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Speaker 1: that's part of the story as well, that it is
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Speaker 1: a small unit. But basically this is a terrible, terrible problem.
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Speaker 1: But it is being turned around thanks to the Minister
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Speaker 1: in particular and to a lesser extent meee.
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Speaker 5: I don't know that it is being turned around though,
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Speaker 5: because the problem that we're having is these kids coming
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Speaker 5: out of the schooling system, which we know is in
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Speaker 5: a terrible condition. They're not getting the best of education.
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Speaker 5: We're now expecting teachers out.
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Speaker 2: Of this mob, because of course, the teachers of the future.
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Speaker 5: Are coming out of the classrooms of today, and so
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Speaker 5: they're filling ill equipped, they are getting lower scores.
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Speaker 2: We learned last August that one.
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Speaker 5: In three Aussie kids are failing just what the standard
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Speaker 5: requirements for writing and arithmetic. I mean, if they're not
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Speaker 5: learning that in schools, what the heck are they learning.
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Speaker 5: As I've said a thousand times before, parents, if you
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Speaker 5: care about your child's education, like seriously care about your
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Speaker 5: child's education, you're already homeschooling. My mom homeschooled us for
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Speaker 5: many years, and it was a really big problem. When
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Speaker 5: we went back to a private Christian school. We were
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Speaker 5: leagues ahead of the other kids, leeds. We wanted to
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Speaker 5: be with our peers, and the schooling system that assessed
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Speaker 5: us before deciding which grade we were to go in,
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Speaker 5: we're just like, we don't know what to do with
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Speaker 5: these mutants. And on that topic, it was with great interest.
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Speaker 5: I love how you just mockingly laugh in the batsy
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Speaker 5: chuckling in the background there for absolutely no reason. So
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Speaker 5: it was with great interests that I watched the New
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Speaker 5: South Wales education secretary tell the ABC on Monday that
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Speaker 5: alternative methods of education to state schooling public schooling were unnecessary.
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Speaker 5: What kind of totalitarian bs is this? This rightly triggered
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Speaker 5: a massive outcry from private schools, faith based schools.
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Speaker 2: And homeschoolers here in New.
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Speaker 5: South Wales, all of which remember predate state schooling, before
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Speaker 5: we had this centralized, standard eyed system of education, for
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Speaker 5: which you can thank John D. Rockefeller, who, as an
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Speaker 5: industrialist not a philanthropist, famously said I don't want a
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Speaker 5: nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers. That
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Speaker 5: is the system we inherited because in nineteen o two
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Speaker 5: the General Education Board was born, and we've had cookie
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Speaker 5: cutter system ever since, despite the fact it fails a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of kids because they're simply not made out for it.
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Speaker 5: So what we have inherited for a very long time
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Speaker 5: now that was nineteen oh two, is this system that was.
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Speaker 2: Genuinely designed to pump out.
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Speaker 5: These docile, subservient, low info regime bots, and then we
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Speaker 5: wonder why the system is failing them.
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Speaker 2: It's not just that the.
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Speaker 5: Teachers are suffering, it's the content, it's the curriculum itself.
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Speaker 2: We know that we've discussed this at nauseum for years.
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Speaker 5: It's not designed to pump out critical thinkers who are
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Speaker 5: empowered to challenge the status quo and actually get somewhere.
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Speaker 2: And that's why.
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Speaker 5: I thought it was very interesting that as of the
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Speaker 5: fifth of May this year, New South Wales has decided
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Speaker 5: they're cracking down on homeschoolers, and homeschoolers in this state
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Speaker 5: are now going to be regulated by the state body
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Speaker 5: of the Department of Education because centralization equals control, and
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Speaker 5: centralization of education is very important to the states and
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Speaker 5: they're more than happy parents to trample your parental rights
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Speaker 5: to educate your child where and how you see fit
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Speaker 5: in order to achieve that centralization of education, or as
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Speaker 5: we like to call it here, indoctrination.
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Speaker 1: Public just just public schooling, free and compulsory public education
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Speaker 1: has been in Australia since the mid nineteenth century.
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Speaker 5: He literally said, Joe on Monday in this interview to
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Speaker 5: the av sudeted South Wales that is the system we
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Speaker 5: inherited that New South Wales has lost twenty five thousand
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Speaker 5: enrollments in the public education system over the last three years.
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Speaker 5: The viewers at home don't know, so I'm letting them know.
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Speaker 5: And he's determined.
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Speaker 2: And I quote to get them all.
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Speaker 1: Back because all public education or we're going to do to.
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Speaker 5: Fire very passionate about.
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Speaker 3: But if they're willing to go else they're willing to
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Speaker 3: go elsewhere.
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Speaker 4: What the growth You look at the growth in private
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Speaker 4: education in the last few years, it tells you everything.
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Speaker 4: And you look at the schools that have been doing
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Speaker 4: really well, particularly Catholic schools because they've gone back to basics.
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Speaker 3: Have public systems that now.
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Speaker 4: Have how it can work. Another example as well, of
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Speaker 4: these academic standards being dropped so you can get more
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Speaker 4: people into the workforces. Over at the police, the Victorian
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Speaker 4: Police did it a few months ago. They changed the rules.
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Speaker 4: Previously you had to do a test in order to
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Speaker 4: become a copper. Now they've said that if you've got
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Speaker 4: an ATAR of sixty five or above, or you score
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Speaker 4: at least twenty five in English, then you can get
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Speaker 4: into the cops without taking a test. Now we should
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Speaker 4: note that sixty five EIGHTAR is four points below the
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Speaker 4: average in Victoria, so it is they're letting people in
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Speaker 4: below the average.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to give age.
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Speaker 4: Being a copper is a pretty brain intensive job, right,
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, sure, if you're just going around
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Speaker 4: and giving people fines, maybe not so. But if you've
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Speaker 4: got any ambition to rise anywhere in the police force,
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Speaker 4: you've got to be solving crimes. This takes lateral thinking.
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Speaker 4: You seriously have to use your brain in order to
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Speaker 4: get some of this stuff done. So you can understand
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Speaker 4: why they'd want to put them through a test. But
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Speaker 4: they said, no, don't have enough coppers it we'll scrap
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Speaker 4: the test if you have a below average ATAR, And
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Speaker 4: sure enough they have had a little bit of an uptick.
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Speaker 4: One hundred and sixty applicants I've managed to skip the cue.
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Speaker 4: Now that they've got rid of these rules.
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Speaker 3: One of the most.
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Speaker 4: Concerning things, though, I think is that they've taken away
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Speaker 4: the requirement for most people to have an appointment with
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Speaker 4: a psychologist Liz before they become a police officer.
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Speaker 3: Well, being a.
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Speaker 4: Police officer is a job where you will potentially have
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Speaker 4: to see and deal with some horrible, horrible things. And
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Speaker 4: then saying you don't even have to go and see
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Speaker 4: a site to make sure that you're okay in the
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Speaker 4: head before you go into this job, I reckon, that's
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Speaker 4: opening themselves up to real danger and all sorts of
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Speaker 4: cases and whatever in future, saying, well, you didn't have
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Speaker 4: any duty of care making sure that I was right
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Speaker 4: for this job before you put me in front of
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Speaker 4: dead bodies and squished people in cars exactly.
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Speaker 5: And of course nobody can anticipate what you're going to
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Speaker 5: come up against while you're out on the beat on
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Speaker 5: any given day, So I would have thought that that
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Speaker 5: would definitely be something you simply don't drop, because it's
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Speaker 5: your job as an employer to be aware of someone's
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Speaker 5: capacity when it's this kind of front line job. But hey,
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Speaker 5: Victoria has seen recruitment served by fifty percent by just
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Speaker 5: making it by just dropping the standards. The spiral is everywhere.
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Speaker 5: Keep noticing. Over in South Australia they've adopted a different
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Speaker 5: method of getting their recruits in. Here's the police recruitment video,
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Speaker 5: Grant Stevens saying, hey, come one, come all, will pay
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Speaker 5: for your visas. All you cops from overseas come to
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Speaker 5: South Australia.
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Speaker 2: We'll give you a job.
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Speaker 6: Hi on Grant Stephens, Commissioner for South Australia Police. We're
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Speaker 6: recruiting internationally, and I'm inviting you to apply. We've got
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Speaker 6: a lot of competitive advantages, including a great salary, and
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Speaker 6: we'll pay for the cost of permanent visas.
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Speaker 2: For you and your family. Not to mention we've got this.
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Speaker 2: It's a humorous ad and not a bad ploy.
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Speaker 5: But how do we feel as Ausies seeing our state
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Speaker 5: cops literally appeal to all in sundry overseas saying, hey,
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Speaker 5: we're so desperate for recruits, we'll pay for visas for
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Speaker 5: you and your family come to this beautiful island nation.
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Speaker 2: Makes it sound like an absolute.
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Speaker 1: Signer.
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Speaker 4: I could go back to South Australian so, I mean,
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Speaker 4: Grant Stevens and I have had our differences in the past,
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Speaker 4: but I think he's actually a pretty good police commissioner
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Speaker 4: in South Australia. I'm just not sure that him getting
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Speaker 4: his hearing pins out and wearing short satuation, he's actually
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Speaker 4: going to encourage anyone to come across the shores.
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Speaker 1: With him, Right up to the point where he dropped
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Speaker 1: his trousers.
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Speaker 7: I did need that.
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Speaker 1: I think it's good. I think it's funny. I think
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Speaker 1: we get I mean, well, well, well, we also pride
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Speaker 1: ourselves on being a nation of Alarakeans in Australia, and
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Speaker 1: every single time anyone does something slightly offbeat, slightly kind
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Speaker 1: of funny, we all go, oh my god, how could
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Speaker 1: he do that? They get all outraised. We aren't you
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Speaker 1: getting local people. I'll tell you why, because they're not applying.
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Speaker 1: Because you if you're outraged and you're not a cop,
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Speaker 1: because you have not applied to join the police force.
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Speaker 1: That is the problem. That is why they're getting people
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Speaker 1: from overseas. If you're a cop, who's saying, why aren't
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Speaker 1: we getting more local people? I did my bit. You
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Speaker 1: are totally excused. Anyone else, You've got no excuse to
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Speaker 1: say it, because you should be signing up. In New
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Speaker 1: South Wales. In New South there is a shortfall of
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Speaker 1: three thousand police officers and he said I was actually
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest police forces in the world. There
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Speaker 1: is a shortage of three thousand, so three thousand less
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Speaker 1: than they need for the actual requirements, which is causing
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Speaker 1: burnout for the people who are already there because they're
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Speaker 1: having to do extra work right, and not only that,
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Speaker 1: but they are not even recruiting enough that they need
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Speaker 1: to fill the existing scope, so they're not actually so
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Speaker 1: not only are they so they're on this big recruitment
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Speaker 1: drive to fill this three thousand and they are below
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Speaker 1: target for the drive to fill it. So again, if
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Speaker 1: you are not applying for the police force, you have
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Speaker 1: no right to criticize whatever it is these governments are
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Speaker 1: doing to try to get people into police force because,
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Speaker 1: like teachers, is a massive shortage.
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Speaker 5: But interestingly, when you read the Daily Mail article on this,
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Speaker 5: which was very funny, there's a lot of comments from
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Speaker 5: people who on this video that he made then absolutely
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Speaker 5: savaging him because they had all their stories about my
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Speaker 5: applied and he was this, and he was that, and
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Speaker 5: you guys knocked him back for this reason and all
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Speaker 5: these reasons from local would be recruits, and these people
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Speaker 5: were absolutely furious to see him advertising for overseas cops
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Speaker 5: when they felt and reading their comments, I had to
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Speaker 5: agree with them. Their people or people that they knew
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Speaker 5: friends and family, had been knocked back for reasons that
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Speaker 5: they did not think past the public.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that psychological test, well exactly, if you have it,
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Speaker 1: you've been knocked back, that's totally fair enough. But other
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Speaker 1: people getting out right.
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Speaker 4: Now, you know, we didn't need to have some standards
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Speaker 4: somewhere in all of this, don't we Speaking of standards,
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Speaker 4: this is very strange one over in Germany. You may
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Speaker 4: not have heard of this before. It's illegal to insult
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Speaker 4: someone in Germany. I'm not joking. It is the law
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Speaker 4: in Germany.
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Speaker 1: I will read to you that had that law of
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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'll read to you this bit of the
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Speaker 4: law in the Criminal Code in Germany. This is specifically
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Speaker 4: about politicians, but there are other laws that say it's
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Speaker 4: illegal to insult anyone. But it says in the Criminal
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Speaker 4: Code one eight to eight insults, lander and defamation directed
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Speaker 4: against persons in political life. If an insult is committed
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Speaker 4: against a person involved in the political life of the
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Speaker 4: people publicly in a meeting or by disseminating content, for
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Speaker 4: reasons related to the insulted sorry person's position in public life,
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Speaker 4: and if the act is too likely significantly impede their
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Speaker 4: public activities, the punishment shall be imprisonment for up to
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Speaker 4: three years or a fine. The political life of the
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Speaker 4: people extends down to the municipal level, so everyone from
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Speaker 4: a counselor through to a federal politician in Germany is
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Speaker 4: protected by the law from being insulted, which brings me
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Speaker 4: to this extraordinary case of journalist David Bendel's.
19:51
Speaker 3: He works for an outlet in.
19:52
Speaker 4: Germany, a generally right wing outlet, and he posted a
19:56
Speaker 4: meme online of a federal Interior minister, Nancy Faser, holding
20:01
Speaker 4: up a sign which you'll be able to see here
20:03
Speaker 4: on the screen. Now, of course, the original one was
20:06
Speaker 4: done in German. She's holding up a piece of paper.
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Speaker 2: This is the.
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Speaker 4: English translation on which mister Bendalls has written, I hate
20:15
Speaker 4: freedom of speech right. It's just a sign, great crime
20:18
Speaker 4: that says it's been digitally altered. It says I hate
20:21
Speaker 4: freedom of speech right. It just seems like a pretty straightforward,
20:25
Speaker 4: satirical meme that you'd bang up on social media and
20:28
Speaker 4: you wouldn't think much more about. Well, not if you're
20:30
Speaker 4: mister Bendles, because he's just been given a seven month
20:34
Speaker 4: suspended prison sentence for doing this and given a fine
20:37
Speaker 4: which is equivalent to sixty percent of his yearly income. Yes,
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Speaker 4: for the crime of posting a meme on social media.
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Speaker 4: And if you think I'm overblowing how the law works
20:49
Speaker 4: in Germany, just listen to prosecutors in Germany. This was
20:53
Speaker 4: very recently on sixty Minutes in the US, they interviewed
20:56
Speaker 4: prosecutors in Germany and explicitly asked them, is it okay?
21:01
Speaker 4: Is it illegal to insult someone in public? And could
21:05
Speaker 4: it potentially be even worse if you do it online?
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Speaker 3: For some reason? This was their answer.
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Speaker 8: As prosecutors explain it, the German constitution protects free speech,
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Speaker 8: but not hate speech. And here's where it gets tricky.
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Speaker 8: German law prohibits any speech that could insite hatred or
21:25
Speaker 8: is deemed insulting. It's illegal to display Nazi symbolism, a swastika,
21:30
Speaker 8: deny the Holocaust.
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Speaker 2: That's that's clear.
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Speaker 8: Is it a crime to insult somebody in public?
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Speaker 9: Yes, yes, and it's a.
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Speaker 8: Crime to insult them online as well.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 10: The fine could be even higher if you insign someone
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Speaker 10: in the internet.
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Speaker 4: Why it could be even higher if you do it
21:51
Speaker 4: on the internet. He goes on to say, it's because
21:52
Speaker 4: it lives forever on the internet. I mean, Liz, you
21:56
Speaker 4: know you look a bit fat tonight or not judge
22:00
Speaker 4: your germanile really blousy Todd.
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Speaker 9: Sorry, I'm sorry, but seriously, like this is insane. This
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Speaker 9: is literally insane that someone has been given a suspended
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Speaker 9: prison sentence and a significant five for posting a satirical
22:19
Speaker 9: mean of a politician.
22:20
Speaker 5: Irony is dead right, because what an own goal by
22:25
Speaker 5: this Nancy Fezer for.
22:27
Speaker 2: Crying out loud.
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Speaker 5: This only was prosecuted. This journalist was only prosecuted because.
22:34
Speaker 2: She pursued it. What an own goal.
22:37
Speaker 5: So here's this guy mocking you and the German government
22:41
Speaker 5: for eroding freedom of speech in Germany, and you prove
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Speaker 5: his points spectacularly by getting him a seven month suspended
22:51
Speaker 5: prison sentence and finding him sixty percent off his wage.
22:55
Speaker 5: Mike Drop lady, you've done a massive own goal.
22:59
Speaker 2: How stupid? What do you have for brains?
23:03
Speaker 5: Quite seriously, if you wanted to disprove the guy's point,
23:07
Speaker 5: you would have done none of that. But sadly Germany
23:10
Speaker 5: doesn't make the headlines.
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Speaker 2: As much as the UK does.
23:13
Speaker 5: This is quite commonplace there, people being prosecuted for sharing
23:18
Speaker 5: things online.
23:19
Speaker 2: Yes, including means.
23:20
Speaker 5: It sounds ridiculous, but notice what the prosecutors.
23:24
Speaker 2: Said in that video or freedom.
23:27
Speaker 5: Of speech is protected but not hate speech. How many
23:31
Speaker 5: times have I told you they're the same thing.
23:34
Speaker 2: You don't need freedom of speech.
23:36
Speaker 5: If you're just saying nice uncontroversial things all the time.
23:39
Speaker 5: And we've noticed, we've watched in real time viewers as
23:44
Speaker 5: what contributes to hate speech has become broader and broader.
23:48
Speaker 2: Maybe it is.
23:49
Speaker 5: Caleb even jokingly calling me fat this evening, if I
23:53
Speaker 5: want to take that up, is that going to be
23:55
Speaker 5: counted as hates.
23:56
Speaker 3: Would be particular?
23:58
Speaker 5: It is a witness, a thank you, But we keep
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Speaker 5: enlarging the definition.
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Speaker 1: Of hate that is the real And then people.
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Speaker 5: Are saying, oh, well, what about freedom of speech? You
24:12
Speaker 5: don't have it, because freedom of speech is hate speech
24:16
Speaker 5: and vice versa.
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Speaker 2: You either have.
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Speaker 1: Both or you have now like I think, you know,
24:20
Speaker 1: however you wan to define it. But any incitement to
24:22
Speaker 1: violence is obviously something should be banned. So that one's,
24:27
Speaker 1: especially in Germany, obviously should be banned. And you know,
24:31
Speaker 1: if you want to call that hate speech or you know,
24:33
Speaker 1: you know, if you're saying something like the Nazis did
24:35
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, Jews are animals or there
24:37
Speaker 1: as well, that obviously I think there's a clear case
24:39
Speaker 1: for banning it. The problem is, as you say that,
24:41
Speaker 1: the left end just basically chucks everything they don't like
24:44
Speaker 1: into a bucket and says, right, all of this is
24:46
Speaker 1: now hate speech.
24:47
Speaker 2: Like they did in Victoria recently.
24:49
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing and the interesting thing is and
24:51
Speaker 1: this is alternative for Germany Party, alternative for doutschat, which
24:55
Speaker 1: I really really don't like and I think is a
24:57
Speaker 1: really really sinister I think it's more than just.
25:00
Speaker 2: And who I love and think are incredible.
25:01
Speaker 1: No, no, but these are not like the kind of
25:04
Speaker 1: even like the La Penz in France next door or
25:06
Speaker 1: the Reform UK that for these are. These are to
25:09
Speaker 1: the right of that and have some pretty scary connections.
25:12
Speaker 1: But anyway, but having said.
25:13
Speaker 2: All that, they've fired they yeah, yeah.
25:15
Speaker 1: But they were there in the first place. That's the
25:17
Speaker 1: troubling thing.
25:18
Speaker 5: But every major party in Australia hasn't fired candidates that
25:22
Speaker 5: they later found.
25:25
Speaker 1: Nazis everywhere. There's some under them.
25:27
Speaker 4: I will I will remind I will remind you Joe
25:30
Speaker 4: Labor Party was the party of the white Australia.
25:32
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:32
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's right. Let's not get to that's right. But
25:36
Speaker 1: there's a slight difference between that and the a f D.
25:40
Speaker 2: Call them all calling the vast majority of Germany.
25:44
Speaker 1: That's right. And they got I think they got the
25:47
Speaker 1: second highest, second highest art of the last elections.
25:50
Speaker 2: But they did.
25:51
Speaker 1: But and again that is very troubling. But the idea
25:54
Speaker 1: that you can and clearly authorities just want to sort
25:58
Speaker 1: of stamp this out, and so well, well if we can.
26:00
Speaker 1: We can't stop the ballot box, but we can stop
26:02
Speaker 1: them at the courthouse and make it illegal for people
26:04
Speaker 1: to say these things. And there was a book that
26:06
Speaker 1: was released recently, I think it was called A History
26:08
Speaker 1: of Free Speech or something, and I was listening to
26:11
Speaker 1: an interview with the author of it, and he actually
26:13
Speaker 1: found that all the attempts they actually did this with
26:17
Speaker 1: the actual Nazi Party in the nineteen thirties in the
26:20
Speaker 1: Weimar Republic, where they did try to outlaw or censon
26:25
Speaker 1: newspapers that were writing pro Nazi propaganda or try to
26:28
Speaker 1: ban them from congregt and gathering, and of course the
26:31
Speaker 1: opposite happened. It enabled Hitler and this sort of tiny
26:35
Speaker 1: nascent Nazi movement to claim the victim cards say the government,
26:39
Speaker 1: the Jewish Bolsheviks were actually trying to oppress you and
26:42
Speaker 1: stopping you from hearing the truth about this, that and
26:45
Speaker 1: the other. And likewise, post World War Two, with the
26:49
Speaker 1: denartification everything, mind Camp was banned in Germany. It's only
26:53
Speaker 1: recently been allowed to be republished with sort of all
26:56
Speaker 1: these explanatory notes attached to it. And again the reason
26:59
Speaker 1: they'd mine camp because we can't have a rise of
27:02
Speaker 1: far Ride or neo Nazism and what's happened. It's happened anyway,
27:05
Speaker 1: and so clearly bannything simply does not work.
27:09
Speaker 2: Suppression anyway does not work well.
27:11
Speaker 5: Today we saw the energy debate, the big face off
27:15
Speaker 5: at the National Press Club between Chris Bowen, the Energy Minister,
27:19
Speaker 5: and the opposition Energy Minister Ted O'Brian, And of course
27:24
Speaker 5: it wouldn't be an energy debate without Chris Bowen giving
27:29
Speaker 5: us here at Sky News an honorable mention for all
27:32
Speaker 5: our hard work covering his work or lack thereof.
27:37
Speaker 10: You've got strongers about these matters, which you express on
27:40
Speaker 10: Sky News in the Evenings, and that's your right. I
27:43
Speaker 10: disagree with the way that you look at these manners.
27:45
Speaker 10: I disagree with the approach that you take. It's disingenuous
27:48
Speaker 10: and dishonest of you to blame all this sorenewable energy
27:50
Speaker 10: as you do on Sky in the Evenings. It's just
27:53
Speaker 10: not right, sir, it's just not fair.
27:57
Speaker 5: As the saying goes, the truth only hurts when it
27:59
Speaker 5: should Energy Minister. Now, of course Ted O'Brien had quiteened
28:04
Speaker 5: easy part to play today because everyone.
28:08
Speaker 2: Knows the truth of the state of energy in our nation.
28:12
Speaker 5: They've been paying for it by bleeding out of every
28:15
Speaker 5: orifice thanks to the Labour's great race to green energy.
28:20
Speaker 2: So here he was just stating the obvious.
28:25
Speaker 11: Under labor that future will see Australia become poorer, weaker
28:32
Speaker 11: and more dependent on foreign supply chains. Under the Coalition,
28:38
Speaker 11: Australia will become richer, stronger and fiercely independent.
28:45
Speaker 5: Anyone hearing that is I wateringly aware of the facts.
28:49
Speaker 5: All you have to do is consult your latest energy bill.
28:53
Speaker 5: But then they had a bit of bifo, much like
28:56
Speaker 5: we saw last night between.
28:57
Speaker 2: The Treasurer and the Shadow.
29:00
Speaker 5: But these guys seem to be on a Chinese menu
29:03
Speaker 5: theme of some kind.
29:06
Speaker 10: You mentioned opposition modeling, which I think is our generous term.
29:10
Speaker 10: I mean, this is the document. I've seen more detailed
29:12
Speaker 10: menus in a Chinese restaurant. In this document, this is clearly.
29:16
Speaker 3: Policy on the run.
29:17
Speaker 10: It's been written after the budget reply.
29:19
Speaker 11: And this is coming from the Minister whose own plan
29:24
Speaker 11: wouldn't fit in a Chinese fortune cookie, if anything, that's
29:29
Speaker 11: probably where it would belong.
29:32
Speaker 5: Causing many viewers to be like, hey, this reminds me
29:36
Speaker 5: of something. This is reminiscent of an old Australian gem.
29:41
Speaker 12: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest. What is the charge eating
29:48
Speaker 12: a meal? A succulent Chinese meal.
29:52
Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, it was a good, fiery debate.
29:56
Speaker 5: But of course anyone watching you that Chris Bowen had
30:00
Speaker 5: lost before he stood behind the podium.
30:02
Speaker 4: I know, I've got to say O'Brien's line was a
30:06
Speaker 4: bit better than Bowen's, I think because Bowen had obviously
30:09
Speaker 4: clearly come up with that one beforehand, and O'Brien had
30:12
Speaker 4: to think on his feet and actually came up with
30:14
Speaker 4: a decent zinger. I think the biggest problem for Bowen
30:18
Speaker 4: and it shone through today and you can see it
30:20
Speaker 4: in that answer when he's talking to Chris Yilman there
30:23
Speaker 4: and you notice what you say on Sky in the
30:27
Speaker 4: Evening so as though it somehow discredits what Christilman, one
30:30
Speaker 4: of the most experienced and respected political journalists in this
30:34
Speaker 4: country says. You know, when he says something, you stand
30:36
Speaker 4: up and take notice.
30:38
Speaker 3: But he is just so arrogant and it just oozes
30:41
Speaker 3: out of his purse.
30:43
Speaker 1: Play the ball and not the man. And I think
30:44
Speaker 1: that actually will work more in Bowen's favor if he
30:47
Speaker 1: just plays a straight bat and looks like he's not
30:49
Speaker 1: the one getting snarky and he's the one that's dealing
30:51
Speaker 1: with facts and everyone else is not. And of course
30:53
Speaker 1: he was trying to deflect from the fact that power
30:55
Speaker 1: prices have gone out. I don't know why you wouldn't
30:56
Speaker 1: just say, well, yes, look, part of it has been.
30:58
Speaker 1: This component has been when youbles. But that's going to
31:01
Speaker 1: come down, That's what I mean.
31:06
Speaker 4: We all know that.
31:07
Speaker 1: But just to get back to the Chinese restaurant analogies,
31:10
Speaker 1: because I think that is the real take home message
31:13
Speaker 1: of this debate. I wrote a piece today praising Ted
31:18
Speaker 1: O'Brien for just getting on board the metaphor just jumping
31:21
Speaker 1: on board the dragon, you know, on board the China said,
31:24
Speaker 1: But he says, because he is doing it on the run.
31:27
Speaker 1: He says, well, your policy wouldn't even fit in a
31:30
Speaker 1: Chinese fortune cookie. Not wouldn't fit in a fortune cookie,
31:34
Speaker 1: because it's really big and comprehensive and detailed. Of course,
31:37
Speaker 1: what I've been to say was would fit in the comment.
31:39
Speaker 1: But then he said, because it's just filled with slogans.
31:41
Speaker 1: It's like Chinese fortune cookies aren't filled with slogans, they're
31:45
Speaker 1: filled with fortunes.
31:47
Speaker 3: Sorry, they are filled with slogans.
31:50
Speaker 1: No, it says like, you know, may you live in
31:52
Speaker 1: interesting times, or you know you will come into great luck.
31:57
Speaker 2: Quite depressing.
31:58
Speaker 4: It's your wife fortune at all.
32:02
Speaker 1: Your wife's left you for your best friend's not home
32:05
Speaker 1: alone in the house.
32:06
Speaker 4: Goodness, gracious me. If you open your fortune cookie and
32:11
Speaker 4: that's what shows up, please let me know. I'd like
32:14
Speaker 4: to know what's in Adam Band's fortune cookie, though, because
32:17
Speaker 4: we know he's going gung ho here because he can
32:20
Speaker 4: sniff the windy. He thinks there's a very good opportunity,
32:22
Speaker 4: of course that will end up with the hung parliament,
32:24
Speaker 4: and there is a really good opportunity that will end
32:26
Speaker 4: up with a hung parliament after May three, and so
32:29
Speaker 4: he wants to be right in there with the Greens
32:32
Speaker 4: getting the balance of power, bringing labor to power. Of course,
32:36
Speaker 4: it depends on what day you ask the Prime Minister.
32:38
Speaker 4: Some days you'll say there's never going to be a deal,
32:41
Speaker 4: and on other days you'll say he can't rule it out,
32:43
Speaker 4: he's going to I'll just slip at the tongue, Joe,
32:50
Speaker 4: when when the when the when the rubber hits the road,
32:53
Speaker 4: we'll see how things actually go.
32:55
Speaker 3: But we've seen some numbers today and how much all
32:58
Speaker 3: of these.
32:58
Speaker 4: Demands that Bans coming up with would cost Labor if
33:02
Speaker 4: they were to accede to them. It's just measly two
33:05
Speaker 4: hundred and fifteen billion dollars in things like changing capital,
33:08
Speaker 4: James tax and all this sort of.
33:10
Speaker 9: So nothing to worry about, nothing to worry about.
33:13
Speaker 4: What so ever, And can you believe it's even got
33:17
Speaker 4: the sympathy of Peter Dutton. Even Peter Dutton says he
33:21
Speaker 4: feels sorry for Anthony Albanezi.
33:25
Speaker 13: So I think the most worrying thing out of all
33:27
Speaker 13: of this is that there is an enormous amount of
33:29
Speaker 13: sympathy in Anthony Albanesi's left wing government for the sorts
33:33
Speaker 13: of things that Adam Bant is putting on the table.
33:35
Speaker 13: I think he would get a receptive hearing. And Anthony
33:38
Speaker 13: Albanesi is the most left leaning prime minister or leader
33:41
Speaker 13: of the Labor Party since GoF Whitlam. And he has
33:45
Speaker 13: a natural sympathy for these arguments as well.
33:48
Speaker 3: You know, could well happen.
33:50
Speaker 4: And of course Sir Adam Bank yesterday was talking about
33:53
Speaker 4: exactly all of this.
33:55
Speaker 7: The Greens are within reach of winning seats right across
33:58
Speaker 7: the country and in a minority, we can make things happen.
34:01
Speaker 1: Vote Greens.
34:03
Speaker 7: We will keep Dutton out and get Labor to act
34:06
Speaker 7: on the cost of living, housing and climate crisis. With
34:10
Speaker 7: more Greens, we can put more pressure on Labor.
34:13
Speaker 3: He looks like he's but he had a bump of
34:15
Speaker 3: cocaine or something.
34:15
Speaker 4: He's jumping up and down all it.
34:19
Speaker 9: Looks like.
34:21
Speaker 1: It looks like he's delivering a book. Report says vote Green.
34:24
Speaker 1: And in the end Robinson Crusoe got rescued and went
34:27
Speaker 1: back to the island. The end, and it's just so undergraduate.
34:32
Speaker 1: It is just absolutely staggering. But there is absolutely no
34:36
Speaker 1: way that Labor will ever do any deal or form
34:39
Speaker 1: government with the Greens ever. Again. They have learned since
34:42
Speaker 1: last night though, because they don't have to, that they
34:45
Speaker 1: don't have to be the team. They never will.
34:46
Speaker 2: He don't know that until we have the election out.
34:50
Speaker 1: They don't have to because what else are the Greens
34:52
Speaker 1: going to do. Are they going to back Peter Dutton?
34:53
Speaker 1: They can't. That's that's a great mistake that they made
34:55
Speaker 1: in twenty ten. They didn't have to form any kind
34:58
Speaker 1: of agreement. All they had to go was, you know what,
35:00
Speaker 1: Adam back, you don't want to support us, support Peter Dutton?
35:03
Speaker 1: We dare you off you go. It'll be the last
35:05
Speaker 1: thing you ever do. And they know that they've got
35:07
Speaker 1: the Greens over a barrel. And the reason why the
35:09
Speaker 1: Greens are jumping up and down now is not only
35:11
Speaker 1: they know that, but they realize that Labor there's a
35:13
Speaker 1: very strong chance they will not now be in minority government.
35:16
Speaker 1: They could form a majority, or form something that's just
35:20
Speaker 1: so slightly below majority that they don't need the Greens,
35:23
Speaker 1: so they could just do Andrew Wilkie or maybe one
35:25
Speaker 1: of the other independents, or pick off one or two
35:27
Speaker 1: with the Tills or whatever. So the Greens are trying
35:29
Speaker 1: to deal themselves back into a hand, back into a
35:32
Speaker 1: game that no one wants them sitting at the table for.
35:35
Speaker 1: So it's just a pathetic, transparent attempt at relevancy for
35:38
Speaker 1: the Greens, who are becoming more and more ilil and
35:40
Speaker 1: they're talking about getting more MPs in they're probably going
35:44
Speaker 1: to lose MPs because Labor and the Libs are coming
35:47
Speaker 1: after them, and Brisbane. The Libs are trying to target Ryan.
35:49
Speaker 1: Labor is trying especially Brisbane they think they might win,
35:52
Speaker 1: and Griffith, of course they're hoping to win as well.
35:56
Speaker 1: And the Greens might hold on to maybe one or
35:57
Speaker 1: two of those, but chances are probably one or two well,
36:00
Speaker 1: so they're going to go backwards. So this is Adam
36:02
Speaker 1: Banda sort of talking up a big game, but it's
36:06
Speaker 1: a lot of source from a little bit of spaghetti.
36:09
Speaker 4: I'd like to think that was because very quickly before
36:12
Speaker 4: we get to a brag, I did have to have
36:13
Speaker 4: a chucklate at this story today about the demand that
36:16
Speaker 4: AI is creating on energy.
36:18
Speaker 3: Of course, we know we have energy problems in this country.
36:21
Speaker 3: We've got energy problems across the world.
36:23
Speaker 4: According to the International Energy Agency Data SECENETO electricity consumption
36:29
Speaker 4: will reach about nine hundred and forty five terrawa hours
36:32
Speaker 4: by twenty thirty. That is slightly more than Japan's total
36:36
Speaker 4: energy consumption today. It will become three percent of the
36:41
Speaker 4: entire world's energy usage by twenty thirty. But the funny
36:45
Speaker 4: thing is that that is the opening gambit in this article.
36:49
Speaker 4: But then in the second line, the International Energy Agency
36:52
Speaker 4: says that we can use AI to make the world
36:55
Speaker 4: more energy efficient.
36:57
Speaker 3: So we're going to use all of.
36:59
Speaker 4: This power to power the AI to tell us, Liz,
37:02
Speaker 4: how to make the world more energy efficient.
37:05
Speaker 2: You've got to use more to save more, Caleb.
37:08
Speaker 5: It's like you've got to spend money to make money.
37:12
Speaker 2: But I can't see anyone peeling back on this. Essentially,
37:15
Speaker 2: AI is an arms race at the moment.
37:18
Speaker 5: That's why you've got Prime Minister Kirs Starmer in the
37:21
Speaker 5: UK coming out saying we're going to have this UB
37:23
Speaker 5: We're going to be an AI powerhouse. Trump has said
37:26
Speaker 5: the same since he's come to power Australia. We're a
37:30
Speaker 5: little bit lagging, but I'm no doubt we're going to
37:33
Speaker 5: lean on those guys.
37:34
Speaker 2: This is not going anywhere everyone.
37:37
Speaker 5: So many of the people that I speak to, because
37:39
Speaker 5: I don't use it on a daily basis, For the
37:41
Speaker 5: amount of people that I speak to just friends and
37:44
Speaker 5: family who use either Chat.
37:47
Speaker 2: GBT or other bots on a daily.
37:50
Speaker 5: Basis to do countless tasks is absolubly mind.
37:56
Speaker 1: They're just going to say, hey, AI, show us a
37:58
Speaker 1: way to make the world use power, and they'll go great,
38:01
Speaker 1: wipe out all humans.
38:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that'll probably actually do that too. After the break,
38:05
Speaker 4: we'll have more details on that. Exclusive from The Australian
38:08
Speaker 4: about an alleged.
38:09
Speaker 3: Terror plots position leader Peter Dutton. Don't go away.
38:18
Speaker 4: Look, I've had warnings from viewers before about giving away
38:22
Speaker 4: footy scores.
38:22
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to do it.
38:23
Speaker 4: All I'll say is I'm mightily annoyed right now. Let's
38:27
Speaker 4: get into The Australian, though far more important things over
38:29
Speaker 4: on the olds tomorrow at alleged Terra plot against Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 5: Indeed, Dutton alleged a target of schoolboys terror plot. The
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Speaker 5: Splash reads Peter Dutton was allegedly the target of a
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Speaker 5: Brisbane private school student charged with buying ingredients to make
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Speaker 5: bombs and testing homemade explosives in preparation to launch a
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Speaker 5: terrorist attack. The sixteen year old, who cannot be named
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Speaker 5: for legal reasons, was arrested and charged last August after
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Speaker 5: a joint counter terrorism investigation BI Federal and Queensland Police. Now,
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Speaker 5: sources have told The Australian that the teenager was allegedly
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Speaker 5: planning to attack the Federal Opposition leader at his home
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Speaker 5: on an acreage north of Brisbane. The alleged plot, according
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Speaker 5: to the sources familiar with the investigation, involved the use
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Speaker 5: of a drone. Queensland and Federal police declined to comment
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Speaker 5: about their investigation or the evidence against the teenager, who
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Speaker 5: on Thursday was committed to stand trial on a single
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Speaker 5: charge relating to the alleged plot. The teenager, who attended
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Speaker 5: one of Brisbane's prestigious private boys' schools until his arrest,
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Speaker 5: has been charged with a Commonwealth offense of committing acts
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Speaker 5: done in preparation for or planning a terrorist act. It
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Speaker 5: carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment if convicted. The
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Speaker 5: charge allegers the teenager researched bomb making instructions, purchased explosives,
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Speaker 5: ingredients tested, thermal chemical reactions tested home made explosives contrary
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Speaker 5: to Section ten is that it's tiny. Reading ten L
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Speaker 5: six of the Commonwealth Criminal Code, it is alleged the teenager,
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Speaker 5: who has been held in custody since his arrest, planned
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Speaker 5: the attack over two months, from May the twenty first
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Speaker 5: to July the fifteenth.
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Speaker 2: Last year.
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Speaker 4: Wow, it's crapy, isn't It's shocking and given given he's
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Speaker 4: been committed to stand trial, presumably has pleaded not guilty.
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Speaker 4: So there will be plenty more to play out on
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Speaker 4: this and there's not much more we can say other
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Speaker 4: than that.
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Speaker 3: But it just does bring.
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Speaker 4: Home, does it not, the dangers of being in politics
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Speaker 4: sometimes and the impact that being in politics has on
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Speaker 4: people's family life, et cetera.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's not something that you take lightly when
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Speaker 3: you go into public.
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Speaker 1: Life, and it's something that in Australia we have not
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Speaker 1: had to be used to. We've only had one political
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Speaker 1: assassination in this country, the former Member for Cabramatta in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties John And it's just staggering that there's
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Speaker 1: actually what appears to be an alleged threat to a
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Speaker 1: senior politician's life serious enough for police to actually make
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Speaker 1: an arrest in lay charges.
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Speaker 4: That is just.
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Speaker 1: We expect that in America, not here.
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Speaker 2: Well, you do wonder if it's some of that.
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Speaker 4: On the front of the Australian Tomorrow Children's Hospital silent
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Speaker 4: on gender care policy. This is following on from a
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Speaker 4: story we talked about last night. One of the nation's
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Speaker 4: top children's hospitals, has refused to publicly defend its treatment
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Speaker 4: standards for parents questioning the agenda following calls for the
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Speaker 4: concerning guidelines to be repealed after a family court judge
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Speaker 4: criticized them for unconditionally affirming a child's chosen identity. The
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Speaker 4: Royal Children's Hospital Melbourne this week ignore a series of
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Speaker 4: detailed questions from this mass heead regarding its controversial Australian
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Speaker 4: Standards of Care and Treatment guidelines, which failed to question
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Speaker 4: any child that presents concerns regarding the agenda. And it's
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Speaker 4: around the telling. I would think Joe that they have
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Speaker 4: sought not to give any response because they know they're
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Speaker 4: on the back foot now. It's but after that, that
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Speaker 4: ruling out of the Family Court cannot be dismissed in
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Speaker 4: terms of its importance because that sets up case law
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Speaker 4: now about how these things are to be dealt with.
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Speaker 1: It does? It does? And my as I keep having said,
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Speaker 1: my way to disclabe, my wife works for qualities to us,
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Speaker 1: so she was dealing with a fallat from that and
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Speaker 1: I don't know where it all landed. But my understanding
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Speaker 1: from what she has told me is that it is
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Speaker 1: actually quite an outlier and that most cases go the
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Speaker 1: other way. And this is a very rare ruling, but
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Speaker 1: we'll see how it ends up on of far, far,
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Speaker 1: far more important matters. Now, let's go to the Hobart Mercury,
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Speaker 1: which has got an absolute cracker yarn on the front page. No,
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Speaker 1: not the report that's been tainted, but up the top
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Speaker 1: right hand corner their cash bid for Aldi. This I
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Speaker 1: just did not have this on my twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: bingo card. Caleb and Liz. The Greens have vowed to
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Speaker 1: entice discount supermarket chain Aldi to Tasmania under a thirty
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Speaker 1: million dollar policy that would be implemented if the party
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Speaker 1: came to power at the federal level. Tasmanian Green Senator
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Speaker 1: Nick McKim, who is the party's economic justice spokesman, so,
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Speaker 1: I think is what they call their treasury spokesman, and
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Speaker 1: now it's the plan on Thursday, saying it would help
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Speaker 1: ease cost of living pressures in the state. Coles and
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Speaker 1: Wilworth have had a too good for too long and
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Speaker 1: Tasmanians are paying the price, he said, So anybody did
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Speaker 1: their little one? I like a competition, mean, blah blah,
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. That competition means Shop is here paying
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Speaker 1: a least fifteen dollars more on a basket of essential
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Speaker 1: groceries compared to Aldi, which adds up to hundreds of
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Speaker 1: dollars a year. That could actually be an ad for
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Speaker 1: Aldi that the Greens are featuring it that that is
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Speaker 1: the actual.
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Speaker 3: Can I just go back to the lead of the story.
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Speaker 4: You know they'll bring Aldi to Tasmania and a thirty
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Speaker 4: million dollar policy that would be implemented if the party
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Speaker 4: came to power at a federal level.
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Speaker 1: It ain't gonna happen.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they could promise that they're going to give
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Speaker 4: a free car to everyone in Tasmania.
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Speaker 3: It ain't gonna happen.
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Speaker 1: Hobart, We'll have its first Aldi in twenty seventy five
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Speaker 1: and the mighty Greens opposition rises from Phoenix life from
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Speaker 1: the ashes into the trund to the Treasury benches. It's
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Speaker 1: just promise.
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Speaker 2: You simply can't deliver us.
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Speaker 5: We don't Tasmania, you can't force It's like just like
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Speaker 5: there's just not absolutely do you know.
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Speaker 1: That episode really anyway? Are and anyway a massive gear change?
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Speaker 1: But you love this story? I do not love the
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Speaker 1: content that thought it was very important children targeted, says
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Speaker 1: Vanessa Marsh. Facebook uses the unfathomable amount of off platform
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Speaker 1: data it collects from children to help advertisers. Advertisers like
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Speaker 1: Aldi target them at their most vulnerable. Aldi wouldn't do
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Speaker 1: that unless they were vulnerable to cost of living pressures. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to stop now, has claimed, saying many of
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Speaker 1: the company's staff don't allow their own kids to use
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Speaker 1: social media because they know the harm causes. So Facebook's
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Speaker 1: own staff won't let their own kids use social media
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Speaker 1: because they know all the evil stuff they're doing.
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Speaker 3: Who was a good story?
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Speaker 14: We are absolutely right Facebook extraordinary read on Facebook's former
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Speaker 14: director of Global Public Policy, Sarah Winn Williams again like
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Speaker 14: the Greens hyphenated surname, told a US Senate committee hearing,
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Speaker 14: the company intentionally prioritized profits over the well being and
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Speaker 14: safety of kids.
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Speaker 1: So, for example, if a teenage girl deleted a selfie
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Speaker 1: from her photo app, this would notify advertiser was a
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Speaker 1: really good time to try to sell her a beauty product,
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Speaker 1: because you because she's sing insecure about the way she looks.
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Speaker 3: This is so evil. I hate them.
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Speaker 1: It is horrible, and the.
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Speaker 4: Fact that we allow them to collect all of this
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Speaker 4: data is the most extraordinary thing as well. You know,
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Speaker 4: it did a good well to criticize the companies as well,
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Speaker 4: we should, but you know, we let them into our phones.
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Speaker 4: It has become so ridiculous now, as we've said many times,
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Speaker 4: if the product is free, you are the product.
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Speaker 3: After the break, we'll get into some other interesting stuff.
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Speaker 4: Could in CNN I've misgendered someone mean, if CNN's doing it,
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Speaker 4: where is safe that more?
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Speaker 3: After the break?
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Speaker 4: You know, I just saw on Facebook Marketplace someone trying
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Speaker 4: to flog a Sony cassette Walkman for nine hundred dollars.
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Speaker 4: Wonders never ceased, but that may well be what happens
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Speaker 4: if these tariff scale head across the world lives nine
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Speaker 4: hundred dollars for basic electronics.
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Speaker 3: What do you readon?
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Speaker 5: I tell you there's some trolls in China who are
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Speaker 5: having so much fun with this. They're making these ridiculous
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Speaker 5: AI generated videos of all the countries doing a runway
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Speaker 5: wearing the sash of just how big they're tariffs they've
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Speaker 5: been whacked with.
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Speaker 2: Check it out?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, god, that act.
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Speaker 5: Of course, they're all ten percent now, but that hasn't
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Speaker 5: stopped China from being on a trolling meme roll.
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Speaker 2: Get this one.
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Speaker 5: They put this out saying, oh, yes, this is Trump's
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Speaker 5: reindustrialization of America.
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Speaker 2: It's going spectacularly.
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Speaker 5: The implication, of course, is that that's where you Americans
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Speaker 5: will be without all our Chinese products.
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Speaker 2: We know you love it.
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Speaker 1: I know that the Commies are making jokes at our expence.
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Speaker 4: I know I do love that they have kind of,
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Speaker 4: in a roundabout way, admitted that they've got slaves doing
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Speaker 4: all this stuff in China. Anyway, and very quickly before
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Speaker 4: we go over at seeing in the woke Clinton News network,
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Speaker 4: not even they are immune from misgendering people all of apple.
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Speaker 5: Senator Bernie Sanders, I want to introduce Greece Thomas.
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Speaker 1: She's a local civil rights attorney. She's a Democrat.
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Speaker 15: Great, see them pronouns. Actually, thank you, Uh you've need
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Speaker 15: Senator Sanders pauling and turnout to ata indicate that MANI
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Speaker 15: old racial demographics are turning away from the Democratic Party, so.
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Speaker 4: To rennex Sanders, Sir, he couldn't believe.
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Speaker 3: It when he evading, don't found him. What did she
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Speaker 3: say it?
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Speaker 2: What is she talking about?
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Speaker 4: Poor old, poor old Bernie's just not ready for the dangers.
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Speaker 1: What a self important winker would you have to be?
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Speaker 4: Correct television Anyway, that's us this week. Thank you so
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