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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: The Sinister Fantasy, The Unveiling of Kensie Aubry’s Horror · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Every one of us,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean every one of us, have some fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: We have a fantasy to involve ourselves in something that
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  Speaker 1: we think is going to bring us joy, peace, bring us,
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  Speaker 1: maybe for a moment, some area of safety. But you
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  Speaker 1: know that there are people out there where they have fantasies,
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  Speaker 1: and these fantasies extend into very very deep, dark places.
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  Speaker 1: I've borne witness to the outcomes many times of actions
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  Speaker 1: that people have taken as a result of some kind
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  Speaker 1: of fantasy that they might have. But I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: a case that is any more horrific than the one
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about today. It involves a
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  Speaker 1: young lady by the name of Kinsey Aubrey, and her
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  Speaker 1: life became intertwined with a fantastical narrative that a monster
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  Speaker 1: created and brought her into, and she wound up dead.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags, Dave mac.
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  Speaker 1: I know that all of us entertained some type of fantasies.
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  Speaker 1: As I've said, most of us. The fantasies that we have,
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  Speaker 1: I think are are good ones. They were seeking out
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  Speaker 1: to get away from whatever our mundane, humdrum lives are,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe we're going through some tough times in our
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  Speaker 1: life and we just want to escape, even just for
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  Speaker 1: a moment. We fantasize about having a bank full of money,
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  Speaker 1: or living on an island somewhere, or in a mountain
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  Speaker 1: cabin with a rushing stream, someplace where we can find peace.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't it amazing that some people, when they entertained fantasies,
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  Speaker 1: they're not necessarily seeking peace. And the case that we
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  Speaker 1: have today, I have to say to you, the individual
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  Speaker 1: that is responsible for the homicide that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about, it's actually two people, but one primary their
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  Speaker 1: fantasy actually involved arguably one of the most horrific things
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  Speaker 1: that someone could conceive.
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  Speaker 2: Kensey Aubrey Kensey thirty two years old. She is looking
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  Speaker 2: for a fresh start. She was looking to live out
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  Speaker 2: her fantasy of life at the age of thirty two.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of us have made a number of mistakes
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  Speaker 2: in our twenties. It's almost like you know your friends,
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  Speaker 2: and when you're in your twenties, a friend college gen
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  Speaker 2: and says, hey, Joe, let's go to the beach for
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  Speaker 2: the night. Okay, in your thirties, are like, really, what
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  Speaker 2: car are we taking in your forties? You're like, I
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  Speaker 2: got to plan that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to make sure all my prescriptions are filled. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And in the case of Kensey Aubrey, she was looking
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  Speaker 2: for a fresh start and that's what brought her to
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  Speaker 2: impact with this other man's fantasy. Her fantasy is to
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  Speaker 2: begin her life over again. Kensey last seen in October
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  Speaker 2: in Independent, Missouri. She was from Kansas City and her
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  Speaker 2: mom said she just wanted a fresh start in life.
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  Speaker 2: That's all she wanted, and so she went with some friends.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't go on her own. She had a plan,
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  Speaker 2: and she leaves home to start a new life, and
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  Speaker 2: she ends up running into somebody who also had a
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  Speaker 2: dream a fantasy. Hers was to live a simpler life,
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  Speaker 2: to get her ducks in a row and move forward
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  Speaker 2: with life.
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  Speaker 1: His not so much.
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  Speaker 2: I always go back to the very beginning of the
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  Speaker 2: missing person's report to find out who we're looking for,
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  Speaker 2: what kind of person are they. Oftentimes you can find
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  Speaker 2: out a lot about where you're going to find them
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  Speaker 2: when you know the end by their missing person that's
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  Speaker 2: not indicated here. Her missing person report was very simple, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Mom hasn't seen her. Family usually has a lot of
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  Speaker 2: contact with her. Last had contact October seventh, last known
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  Speaker 2: to be with two men and a woman, Kansas City,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't know where she is.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually something you know. At the medical Examiner's office,
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  Speaker 1: people think about the police. You go to see the police,
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  Speaker 1: and you file a missing person's report. In a lot
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  Speaker 1: of big cities, Atlanta being one where I used to work,
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  Speaker 1: we actually had a missing person's file as well, and
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  Speaker 1: that information did not come to us from the police.
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  Speaker 1: We would have family members that would reach out to
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  Speaker 1: us because many times family would assume the worst, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes it actually came to fruition, and we would have
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  Speaker 1: a mom or a dad, or even a spouse that
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  Speaker 1: would literally show up at the emmy's office. I've had
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  Speaker 1: them come in Dave at two o'clock in the morning
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  Speaker 1: and they'll say, I'm looking for my husband, or I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking we're looking for our daughter. They just could not
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  Speaker 1: take it any longer. And so you're sitting there at
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  Speaker 1: a table with a family who has either been to
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  Speaker 1: the police and they didn't receive satisfaction or they completely
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  Speaker 1: skipped the police, and they come directly to you to
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  Speaker 1: the morgue. And we used to have a saying that
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  Speaker 1: many times, particularly with spouses, people would we always felt
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  Speaker 1: like there was that one group of people that would
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  Speaker 1: come to the medical and say, have you seen my wife?
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen my husband? Knowing full well that the
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  Speaker 1: person was come back home, and then when the person
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  Speaker 1: does show back home, they can actually say to them,
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  Speaker 1: I even went to the medical examiner's office to look
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  Speaker 1: for you. That kind of thing. But when we would
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  Speaker 1: sit down, you actually have a checklist that you go
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  Speaker 1: down because the information is so very detailed for us,
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  Speaker 1: and it is equally for the police. But from a
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  Speaker 1: forensic standpoint, what we would have is we would have
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  Speaker 1: this questionnaire that we would run through with family members
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  Speaker 1: and it would cover everything from shoe size to any
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  Speaker 1: other clothing articles. What did they tend to wear, hair color,
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  Speaker 1: eye color? Have they had any surgeries or do they
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  Speaker 1: have surgical scars? Do they have any kind of surgical
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  Speaker 1: replacements like hips or do they have pins in their joints?
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  Speaker 1: Have they ever had a heart surgery? Have they had
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  Speaker 1: any kind of dental work whatsoever? Because many times that's
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  Speaker 1: what everything hinges on. Unfortunately, many of the cases that
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  Speaker 1: we get kind of a rise out of a set
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  Speaker 1: of skeletal remains that we will find, and one of
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  Speaker 1: the most resilient items there is going to be the
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  Speaker 1: dentition because it survives even beyond bone many times. And
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  Speaker 1: so if you have somebody that has a restoration of
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  Speaker 1: some kind, or maybe there is a tooth that is
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  Speaker 1: missing in an anti mortem state out of a skull,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be a specific indicator. So we would
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  Speaker 1: have this long list that we would go down and
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  Speaker 1: then we would list the person's name, and then the
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  Speaker 1: family would leave us with that data. And it's a
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  Speaker 1: great place to start from. So if we ever got
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  Speaker 1: an unidentified body that came in from the field in
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  Speaker 1: some way they found a skeleton or maybe just a
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  Speaker 1: decomposing body, we would go back through our files first
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  Speaker 1: off and say, well, has this person been reported missing?
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  Speaker 1: The police are much broader because most of the time
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  Speaker 1: they're looking for a living individual that may, on their
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  Speaker 1: own free will and volition, just decided to shake the
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  Speaker 1: dust off their sandals and go somewhere else, and you
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  Speaker 1: have no idea where they are or where they wound up.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just the way it works.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you said it that way, because that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of what it was here, you know, because mom was
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  Speaker 2: like Kinsey left. I know, she had a rough life
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  Speaker 2: growing up. She's trying to find her own way. Now
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  Speaker 2: as an adult, she's thirty two, she can go wherever
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  Speaker 2: she wants. Last scene with this two men and this
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  Speaker 2: woman in Independence, Missouri with somebody please help me find
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  Speaker 2: my daughter. And as you were talking about that, I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking, you know, she did have some tattoos. Five
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  Speaker 2: foot three, one hundred and thirty to one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty pounds. They had all that in the descriptor of
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  Speaker 2: what to be looking for, but they didn't know it
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  Speaker 2: at the time. But they weren't looking for her anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It came to us from a teenager. A teenager in
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  Speaker 2: the foster care system had been sexually molested by a
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  Speaker 2: forty year old man. That's what broke the story. A
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  Speaker 2: teenager who actually had the wherewithal to stand up and say,
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  Speaker 2: this person abused me, and you're not going to believe
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  Speaker 2: what else he told me. You're not going to believe
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  Speaker 2: what else I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: Look, foster care is great, and there have been some
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  Speaker 1: fantastic success stories but I can tell you this from
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  Speaker 1: an investigative standpoint. I've heard a lot of horror stories too,
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  Speaker 1: and you never know where one of these poor kids
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  Speaker 1: is going to land, and then what is going to
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  Speaker 1: suddenly appear before their sight, what's going to be injected
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  Speaker 1: into their already troubled life. This is a child, Dave,
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  Speaker 1: which we can't reveal their name, But this is a
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  Speaker 1: child like many foster children, who want a home, who
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  Speaker 1: want to be loved, who want to be taken care of,
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  Speaker 1: that want to give love and return. But yet when
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  Speaker 1: you enter into this environment, many times trust is betrayed
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  Speaker 1: and then they're left broken. But you talk about courage,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine the courage that this young person had
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  Speaker 1: to come forward and reveal one of the most evil
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  Speaker 1: things that has ever been reported to that police department.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know about you, Dave, But when I've lost something,
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  Speaker 1: I have to have a place to start. I have
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  Speaker 1: to have some kind of information, and most of the
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  Speaker 1: time that information arises from my very faulty memory. But
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  Speaker 1: other times I'll have other people in my life that
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  Speaker 1: will say, last time I saw you, you had this
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  Speaker 1: here or you had this there. When you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: something as big as a missing person's case. Can't tell
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  Speaker 1: you how many times investigators have scratched their heads over
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  Speaker 1: cases where they don't ever find anything. And to have
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  Speaker 1: a young person, a teenager, come forward with information that
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  Speaker 1: is so incredibly troubling, disturbing, and mind blowing, I can
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  Speaker 1: only imagine the response that these officers had when they
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  Speaker 1: were told this tale.
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  Speaker 2: People in the past carry system young people. We know
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  Speaker 2: that there's a lot of bad situations there. They're oftentimes
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  Speaker 2: taken out of a bad situation and placed in foster
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  Speaker 2: care where they become a victim again of another predator
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  Speaker 2: of a different type. Here's the case of this unnamed teenager.
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  Speaker 2: She actually knew this woman named Maggie Yebara, the team
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  Speaker 2: that we're talking about. She had been removed from a
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  Speaker 2: home that Maggie Yebara was in. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: their relationship is, but the teenager knew Maggie and she
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  Speaker 2: was living in foster care. She went looking for Maggie.
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  Speaker 2: They had a relationship to when she was a small child.
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  Speaker 2: Now Maggie Yebara is thirty years old. We know this
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  Speaker 2: girl's a teen, we don't know how old, but she
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  Speaker 2: knew Maggie Yabara as a child and she went looking
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  Speaker 2: for her. As a teen, she found Maggie Yabara, and
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  Speaker 2: Maggie Yabara was involved romantically with a forty year old
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  Speaker 2: man named Michael Hendrix. Michael Hendrix and Maggie Yabara had
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  Speaker 2: a really wild sex life, if you want to call
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  Speaker 2: it that. It was violent, it was fantasy of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how people fantasize things. I know there's
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  Speaker 2: different strokes for different folks. But this teenage girl who
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  Speaker 2: looked up a woman from her childhood, and it opened
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  Speaker 2: the door to Satan's hell itself because Maggie Yabara showed
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  Speaker 2: this girl a picture of a woman who was being
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  Speaker 2: sexually abused. She had photos on her phone of a naked,
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  Speaker 2: bound and gagged woman and there were other images on
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  Speaker 2: the phone depicting dismembered human remains. Now, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if Maggie Yebara showed these pictures to the teen as
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  Speaker 2: a threat. This could be you. I don't know, because
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  Speaker 2: we haven't had a chance to find out who she is.
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  Speaker 2: I just know that she's braver than I would have
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  Speaker 2: been in my teens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that part of this, You might
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  Speaker 1: be right. Those were being used as leverage perhaps, or
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  Speaker 1: if it can get any sicker, maybe as an enticement.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't imagine how someone's mind would work if
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to entie someone into a specific behavior. But
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  Speaker 1: isn't it correct that Michael Hendrix actually wound up abusing,
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  Speaker 1: I think, sexually abusing this team as well, did he not?
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  Speaker 2: She tells police that while he was sexually abusing her,
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  Speaker 2: while he was set well, forty year old Michael Hendricks
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  Speaker 2: is sexually abusing this teenage girl. He is telling her
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  Speaker 2: what he has done. He likes killing, He has a
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  Speaker 2: sexual fantasy. And she actually said to police that he
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  Speaker 2: likes killing. He gets excited, it gets him off to kill.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he told this girl while he was sexually
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  Speaker 2: abusing her. That's what she was hearing. It all leads
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  Speaker 2: to a missing person because the photos on that phone
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  Speaker 2: were of the missing woman we told you about at
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  Speaker 2: the very beginning. It was the woman whose mother called
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  Speaker 2: police and said, I haven't heard from my thirty two
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  Speaker 2: year old daughter. She left Kansas City. She was headed
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  Speaker 2: to Independence to start her a new life, and I
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  Speaker 2: haven't heard from her in a while can you help
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  Speaker 2: me find my daughter and Joe, they couldn't find her.
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  Speaker 2: And even when they found something and they got the
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  Speaker 2: information from this unnamed teen girl, we know she's been
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  Speaker 2: threatened with abuse. We know she's been abused. We know
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  Speaker 2: she's seen horrible photos. She's seen a naked woman bounding gag,
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  Speaker 2: sexually abused. We know the girl is sexually abused, and
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  Speaker 2: we know that she's been showing pictures of a dismembered woman.
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  Speaker 2: The teenage girl told the police that forty year old
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  Speaker 2: Michael Hendrix molested her and told her he killed a woman.
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  Speaker 2: He put her body in the freezer and then cut
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  Speaker 2: her up and buried the remains.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of data there to try to understand and
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  Speaker 1: understand the scope of it. From an investigative perspective, it's
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  Speaker 1: important to understand how I was talking about the questionnaire
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  Speaker 1: that we fill out for the medical examiner when we
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  Speaker 1: would interview family members. For instance, one of the key
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  Speaker 1: things is that we look for or any kind of
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  Speaker 1: specific identification on an individual. And we do know that
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  Speaker 1: Kensy's body, when the body was finally recovered, had been dismembered,
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  Speaker 1: and it's difficult to try to get a body identified
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  Speaker 1: anyway that's in a state of decomposition. But when you
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  Speaker 1: have a body that has in fact been piecemealed out
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  Speaker 1: like this, and I'll get into that in just a
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  Speaker 1: moment how this was achieved allegedly, then you have to
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  Speaker 1: look at the individual elements of the body that are
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  Speaker 1: left behind to try to understand who they might be. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what are you going to look for a person as
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  Speaker 1: young as Kensy. You're not necessarily going to see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of surgical events that have taken place. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the things that we commonly look for.
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  Speaker 1: You might have evidence of bone breakage, and we can
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  Speaker 1: actually pick up on that on X ray because we
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  Speaker 1: will in the morgue, we have our own X ray machines.
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  Speaker 1: We will x ray the individual dismembered remains. Say, if
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  Speaker 1: you have an arm, a lower leg, and an upper leg,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even ahead, you will X ray those items individually
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  Speaker 1: to see if there's anything that you can see without
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  Speaker 1: the aid of something you would not otherwise see. So,
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  Speaker 1: if you've got an old fracture line that can be identified,
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  Speaker 1: but even with decomposing remains, it's kind of fascinating if
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  Speaker 1: you've got, for instance, still soft tissue on a human
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  Speaker 1: leg or arm, or maybe even the back. Did you
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  Speaker 1: know that, as decayed as the body might be, that
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  Speaker 1: top layer of skin on the body, the epidermis. You
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  Speaker 1: can take the edge of a scalpel and begin to
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  Speaker 1: scrape away the epidermis, and all you see is this
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  Speaker 1: kind of black, greenish discoloration. But you might just buy
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  Speaker 1: eyeball in it. You might be able to see something
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  Speaker 1: just beneath it. And I cannot tell you how many
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  Speaker 1: times I've actually done this with a scalpel blade, where
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  Speaker 1: you just kind of scrape away. It almost looks like
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  Speaker 1: you're shaving. But as you begin to scrape that away,
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  Speaker 1: suddenly you find a tattoo. It's it's a pretty profound
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  Speaker 1: moment for you from an identification standpoint, where you can
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  Speaker 1: remove that top layer of decomposing tissue and still appreciate.
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  Speaker 1: That's how resilient tattoos are.
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  Speaker 2: How deep do they go?
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  Speaker 1: They go pretty deep, I mean well down into the dermis,
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  Speaker 1: and so that's why it's such an arduous task to
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  Speaker 1: have them removed. It's not as bad as it used
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  Speaker 1: to be, but it is still something that procedure in
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  Speaker 1: and of itself is not something that's pleasant to have
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  Speaker 1: to go through. But the skin is essentially inked and stained,
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  Speaker 1: you know now forever amen. And as you scrape away
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  Speaker 1: that top layer, many times you can truly appreciate a tattoo.
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  Speaker 1: And if you apply I think that it's hydrogen peroxide.
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  Speaker 1: We would do that in the morgue and kind of
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  Speaker 1: let it bubble to get out a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: dirt that's in there. Sometimes you can kind of bring
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  Speaker 1: them back to life and see them see some level
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  Speaker 1: of vibrancy in the midst of all of this decay.
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  Speaker 1: You can even go back as far as and I
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  Speaker 1: urge anybody, because I've told you before I'm a history guy.
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  Speaker 1: You go back and you look at the bog bodies
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  Speaker 1: that were covered out of Denmark, and I think some
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  Speaker 1: of the British isles they had rudimentary tattoos on the body.
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  Speaker 1: And this was back in the copper Age. They had tattoos.
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  Speaker 1: You can still see those on some of those bodies
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  Speaker 1: now because the bodies are so well preserved out of
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  Speaker 1: the bog, you can still pick up on a lot
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  Speaker 1: of indicators that might tell you what the point of
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  Speaker 1: origin is. Here's the problem with tattoos nowadays, though, because
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  Speaker 1: everybody has them. It used to be where when you
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  Speaker 1: were using a tattoo specifically identify a body, many tattoo
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  Speaker 1: artists came from particular schools of training, and you can
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  Speaker 1: actually kind of trace a familial lineage to the training. Nowadays,
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  Speaker 1: there are tattoo shops everywhere. You don't necessarily have to
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  Speaker 1: sit at the feet of a master to learn, and
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  Speaker 1: many times tattoos all look the same to us. I'm
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  Speaker 1: no officionado, but it's not as distinctive, say, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: that it once was. When we're trying to get a
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  Speaker 1: body adified, there's any number of things that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to look for. And when you're standing over a grave,
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  Speaker 1: as in a clandestine grave, as these investigators were out
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: there in Missouri, they had when they cracked up in
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the ground, they certainly had more questions than they did answers.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: So many times during my career I stood over severely
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: decomposing human remains and I would think, and this is
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: back at the morgue even I would think to myself,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: how in the world are we going to make sense
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: of this? And I don't want to screw anything up.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Relative to examination, or collection of evidence, because everything just
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: appears so fragile and isn't great though, just like anything
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: in life where you have a few answers prior to
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: setting out on this kind of intellectual voyage of discovery
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: if you're a scientist.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: The teenage victim here is where we get a lot
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: of our information. First of all, I want to go
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: back to the original relationship because as I was digging deeper,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: where we find out that this teenage girl that we
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: found out all the info from that she actually looked
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: up Maggie Ybara. Maggie is the thirty year old girlfriend
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: of forty year old Michael Hendrix, who actually is charged
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: with they're both charged by the way, But I founded
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: this teen girl when she was a younger child, was
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: actually in the care of Maggie Yabara. So she had
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that type of relationship, digging it back to her child.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: So she tracks Maggie Yabara down. She's looking for that relation.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: This is a foster care child who's looking for her home.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: She's looking and that's why I think there's some relationship here.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: The reason the girl was removed from Maggie's care as
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: a child is because one of Maggie's boyfriends at the
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: time sexually molested this girl who is now a teenager.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: The teenager now tracks Maggie down. Maggie shows her these
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: pictures of a dead body, and we know that Michael
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Hendricks sexually molested the girl, the teen girl, and while
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: he was doing it, he told her that he got
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: off on killing people, that it got him excited sexually. Now,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the teen girl tells the police that she was told
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: that Michael Hendrix choked the woman out that he killed,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: that he choked her out and then stuffed her body
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in the freezer and cut her up with a chainsaw
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: before burying her. And Joe, I want to go right
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: back to the very beginning on this a Why put
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: a body in a freezer? Isn't that going to make
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: it even more difficult to cut up? And we're told
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the girl that the girl was told that she was
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: choked out, that she was murdered by choking, but we
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: don't Is there a way to prove that after the
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: body's been frozen and cut up?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yes? And yeah, let me kind of break this down
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to you. And I'm going to start off by telling
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you a very brief story. When I was still working
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in New Orleans. I had a case that I'd never
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: had ever before encountered anything like this. I had a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: guy who was a cook's first mate on an international
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: oil tanker. It was a Korean crew and he got
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: into a fight with the chef on the ship, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the chef took a meat cleaver and hit this guy.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I think, if I remember correctly, the count was like
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in excess of one hundred and sixty times, and they
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: were coming around the horn in South America. They took
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the victim's body and put it into the deepris and
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: they've got like the super duper depris on the ships,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: which I was not aware of. The first port that
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: they put into was actually in my jurisdiction on the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Mississippi River. And so we caught the case, and it
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: was something, I mean, we had to get like the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Korean consulate involved in it, and all sorts of the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: ship had a Liberian registry. But we kind of got
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: things figured out. But when we got this guy's body,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: they did there was a scene in Goodfellas where they
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: said when they got Carbone's body, it was frozen so stiff.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: They had to wait for three days before they could
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: do the autopsy. That is the truth. This guy's body
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: was frozen so thoroughly that we had to allow him
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to thaw out before we could do the autopsy. However,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it was an experience because everything, in a literal sense
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: was frozen in time. So all of those injuries that
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: this person had sustained as a result of that attack
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: remained in place. They didn't change. They didn't change as
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a result of decomposition. So with our victim here, with
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: this young woman who has now been killed, and we
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: have information that she has been strangled, Essentially she's placed
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: in a deep freeze, those insults that she sustained to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: her body paused. Now, bodies never completely ceased decomposing, even
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: in cool temperatures. It just it kind of retards the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: progression of it. So in this particular case, it's going
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to slow it down. It's not going to go at
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: as quick as speed. Remember we talked about heat bringing
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: about decomposition in a very quick manner, but it will
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: slow this process down. And so those marks that you
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: might see around the neck if you're talking about a
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: manual strangulation, those contoosed areas are still going to be there.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: But I had a real thought about this. What would
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: be the utility and why would you freeze a body
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: after you have taken this poor girl's life? And here's
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: what I came to a conclusion. This is a conclusion
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I came to, you know, from an investigative perspective. First off,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you're trying to think about what to do with the body.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: You know, can you imagine? And I hope you can't,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: but just imagine if you will. You've just killed a
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: human being in this fever that you're in because of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: this fantasy world in which you're into. Well, and now
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you have this oh my god moment where it's like, Okay,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I finally fulfilled this fantasy. Now what am I going
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to do with the remains? Now? This Hendrix guy, he
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: lives and this is just outside Kansas City by the way,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: where they finally recover her body. He's got a fantastic property.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I'm only get a pictures of this thing, and it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: absolutely it'll knock your socks off. I mean it's gorgeous,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: very pretty, very big, beautiful house, an outdoor workshop, beautiful
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: green grass, rolling hills. He has got enough land it
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: would appear that he could get rid of a body.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: He has access to this property at least, and you
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: look where the body is actually found, and it's immediately
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: adjacent to one of the buildings. So it's almost like
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: he didn't go to a great deal of effort to
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: try to find some isolated rural area to get rid
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of her. In my assumption was it was convenient and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: he had nothing but time on his hands. So to
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: say that he's killed her and he makes the decision,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I'm going to freeze the body. That way, I can
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: have a pause so I can decide, I can get
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: all my tools together, I can make up my mind
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: as to how I want to handle this. What's a
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: rural setting. You're not going to really raise an eyebrow
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: if you hear a chainsaw going off, right.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: You think about a body that would be just the skin,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: it would just be torn that the chainsaw would just
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: be gummed and I don't mean to make light of it,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: but gummed up with the body part, the skin and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the tissue and the muscle. It's a big mess.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: It is a big mess, but not with a frozen body.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It's not a frozen body literally becomes frozen to the core.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: It's almost dave, like you're dealing with a piece of wood.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Wow, with the body. Once you freeze the body, it
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: would make it easier to cut up than if it
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: wasn't frozen.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Correct, Absolutely, If you have a tool like a chainsaw
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: or a skill saw perhaps or bandsaw some kind, Yeah,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it would make it very easy to do, all right.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: But we all know that decomposing bodies smell that they
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: have a very I promise you, if you've ever smelled this,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you will never forget it. It will always come back
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to you and you know immediately. By the way, I
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: think people know what the smell of decomposing flesh is
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: even before they've ever smelled it before, because it is
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: so unique to human beings and what we smell like
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: when we are decomposing. Does freezing stop that process? And
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: will the body still as it thaws out? Once you've
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: cut the body up and you're going to bear it,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: would it then as it thaws would it start to
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: have an odor? Or would it have an odor when
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: it's frozen?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: No, it would in my estimation, if her body went
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: into that freezer as soon as she died, or within
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: say an hour, all right, and she shut up in
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: there the really pronounced decompositional odor that you get with
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: advanced decomposition that is not current at this point. That's
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: why I say that it retards the process. It literally
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: backs it up, and that's why it's so difficult many
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: times to try to pinpoint. There are a number of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: cases out there where people have killed into visuals and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: place them in a freezer, and then they go to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: thaw them out later, so that decompositional process as the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: body thaws, it kicks in as if the person has
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: just dyed. I think one of the most entertaining movies
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen is this thing with Jack Black called Bernie,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and it's based on a true story about this funeral
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: director killed this woman in Texas. I recommend this movie
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: to anybody. It's absolutely fascinating. It's got Matthew McConaughey in
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: it and Shirley MacLean. It's a fascinating movie, it really is,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and it's really based on a true story and the
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: victim in this case was actually placed into a deep
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: free so it facilitates mainly not creating a mess. Because
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: if you think about this high speed blade of a chainsaw,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and it is a chain with tiny individual little blades
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: on it that's literally grinding through tissue. If you do
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: this with something soft, you're going to have this tremendous
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: amount of cast off, high speed cast off that's going
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: all over the place. I've actually got a colleague of
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: mine who within the last couple of years has worked
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a case where an individual was dismembered with chains on
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the back of a pickup truck. And it was a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: bloody mess, literally, and there was blood cast off that went,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and it was done in the bed of the truck.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: It was cast off over the cab of the truck,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: down the front of the truck, and even onto the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: leading edge of the truck where the grill is. And
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: so it's it's a fascinating dynamic because it's a high
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: speed event. But if you now have frozen tissue, it's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: like I was saying before, when you're going through this
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: tissue and it's frozen solid, it's like going through a
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: piece of wood. So you're really you're encountering something here.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: As an investigator, if you're trying to pin down a timeline,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the data that you're working with is going to be
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: greatly skewed. If you're looking to get some kind of
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: indication from a biological marker here, because decomposition has been
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: thwarted at this point. Now, once these individual remains are
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: placed into the ground, all bets are off because you
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: will get decomposition going on and it will pick up
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And if the body is not in a
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: sealed state or a cocoon state, it's even going to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: probably speed this along as well. And you have to
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: think about it. Another thing, was the body clothed or unclosed?
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Because now after I find out as an investigator that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: this young girl is relating to me the story that
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: she's heard. Hey, I was told that this body was
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: dismembered with a chainsaw. Let that sink in Well, I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: want to do everything I can on my warrant. When
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I draw up this warrant and I go search this
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: guy's property, which they wound up doing, I'm looking for
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that chainsaw because I'm going to try to find a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: couple of things from a perspective of fiber evidence, I
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: want to know if there are any bits of cloth
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that are caught up in here. And you can clean
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: an item to a certain degree, but you're always going
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to miss something. And then from there, I'm going to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: for things like hair. I want to know if there's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: any hair left behind. I want to know if underneath
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and in the edges of any of these little saw blades,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: if there are any skin at all, period I want
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: to know if that's there. If I can find any
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: skin cells, then I'm going to look for muscle, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: all of these tissues microscopically are specifically identifiable. If you
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: can find a bit of that on there and you
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: can look at it under the scope, you can get
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: an idea. It's one of the things we learned in
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: microscopic anatomy. You can tell the difference between skin cells
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and muscle cells and bone cells, and there will be
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: bone cells as well, because the bone is being pulpified
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: at the same time, because it kicks up and it
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: creates almost like a histamine mist. If you've ever seen
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: an animal that's been butchered and has been placed on
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: a bandsaw, it almost looks like sawdust dave, and so
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it leaves behind that residue as well, So you've got
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: all of these bits of trace evidence that can be
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: tied back to that chainsaw. Not to mention the unique
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: tool marks that are left behind on these bones. When
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you get the bone out of the grave and that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: chainsaw is in your possession, if you really want to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: try to prove this thing, you send this to a
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: tool mark examiner and what they'll do is they'll take
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: like a bovine, a cowbone or pig bone, and they
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: will try to duplicate these marks on that bone with
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: said chainsaw and find out if they can duplicate those
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: marks and if they marry up to the marks and
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the bones they recover from the grave, and you've got
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: ownership of the chainsaw. But can you put that chainsaw
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: into his hand. Well, we've got circumstantial information from this
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: young girl that says that he admitted or that this woman,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this other party had stated that the body was in
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: fact dismembered with a chainsaw.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: One of the things we found out as this case
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: has gone on, this thirteen year old girl that we've
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: talked about, she's the hero in this case. You have
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a mother looking for her daughter, woman looking for a
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: new fresh start, and she ends up in the hands
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: of these evil people. That thirteen year old girl that
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: talked about seeing the pictures, she was sexually abused by
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: this forty year old man who told her that he
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: gets off on it found out a trial that believe
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: it or not, Yabarra's mother, whose name is Ruth Loans,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: she knew about the body being cut up. She was
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: shown pictures and she testified that these people actually tried
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: to get rid of the body by putting it in
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: plastic totes, taking it up in a helicopter, and dumping
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: it over water. But the plastic totes floated, so they
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: had to get the toat so the body parts out,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: and that's when they said they were going to bury
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: it on the property. And that's why it took time.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: They tried several different things to get rid of that
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: body before they buried it on that man's property. But
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: we have a thirteen year old girl who was sexually
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: abused by this man, and I'm assuming her mother at
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: this point. Think about it. She's thirty, the girl's thirteen.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: She was the girl was taken away from Yebarra when
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: she was a small child because Ybarra's boyfriends were sexually
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: abusing her as a child. She tracks her mother down,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: mom shows her pictures of this dismembered body. I mean,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: all of it kind of comes together.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Joe Yeah, it does. And it's very sad that she
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: cycled back into this horror show that's such a very
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: young and tender age. What she has borne witness to.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: From just the perspective of horror, most people could live
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: three lifetimes and never be exposed to anything like this.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: But at the end, both Yabarah and Hendrix have both
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: been convicted. They're going to be in jail for a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: long long time. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks.