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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Deposition That Sealed Her Fate (Part 8-10) (4/25/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're gonna pick up right where we
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  left off with the Glad Maxwell deposition. So let's just
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  get right back to it, shall we. McCauley, let's go
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  to the next page, which is going to be redacted.
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  I want you to look out line, so the date
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  is at the top, so it's redacted, and if you
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  go down, you will see a line that says though redacted.
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  And if you scroll over you will see PBI to TIST.
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  If you look at the airport codes, TIST is going
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  to be representative for the US Virgin Islands, and then
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  you will see the list on the plane je GM
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  redacted and Virginia Roberts. Do you recall flying from Palm
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  Beach to the US Virgin Islands with Jeffrey yourself redacted
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  and Virginia Roberts. Mister Pagliuca, I object to the form,
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  and just so the record is clear, we don't agree
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  with whatever your characterization are. The document speaks for itself
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  and she can answer based on whatever her personal knowledge is. McCauley,
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  I understand. McCauley, do you recall flying with those individuals?
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  From Palm Beach to the US virgin Islands. Glenn Maxwell,
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  I have no recollection of any individual flights you are
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  pointing out here. You are talking about two thousand and one.
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  How many years ago is that? McCauley responds to that.
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  I'm asking the questions. Maxwell. I'm not being difficult. I'm
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  just asking it's like fourteen fifteen years ago. It's impossible.
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  I'm sorry McCauley. So your testimony is you don't recall
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  flying on that flight with Virginia Roberts. Maxwell. I cannot
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  testify to that flight, McCauley. Let's look at the next flight,
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  which is on the redacted from the virgin Islands back
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  to Palm Beach, Jaye, Jeffrey Epstein, Glen Maxwell, redacted, Virginia Roberts.
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  The same individuals on the above flight. Maxwell. It doesn't
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  say my name, it has some initials. McCauley, I understand
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  the initials. GM. Do you recall flying on a plane
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  on one of Jeffrey's planes from the virgin Islands the
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  Palm Beach with Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I do not, McCauley.
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  Was there any other person that flew with Jeffrey Epstein
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  with frequency during that time period in these logs that
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  have the initials GM. Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
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  and the foundation, Maxwell, I would have to look at
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  all the flight logs. I have no idea I flew frequently. McCauley.
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  Why don't you take a look at the next three
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  pages and see if that refreshes your recollection. Mister Pagliuca,
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  you are talking about redacted Miss McCauley. She can pick
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  any couple of pages. Those have a lot of the
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  individuals on them, so that is a good sampling, mister Pagliuca,
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  So pick any pages you want, McCauley. Does that refresh
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  your record election at all? As to whether GM represents
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  you or some other individuals? Maxwell, again, I can't testify
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  whether that represents me or not. I don't see any
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  other gms. But you have to understand that even if
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  my name is on that record, that doesn't mean I
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  was on the flight. Just interject here, well, what does
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  it mean? Then? You vile, disgusting, bipedal serpent McCauley. So
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  are you contesting the accuracy of the flight logs? In
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  other words, you said it doesn't represent you or on
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  the flight, So is it your testimony Just because the
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  name is listed doesn't mean they were actually on the flight.
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I can't testify to what these are records that were
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  produced by redacted is on here, So these aren't federally
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  mandated records, So I can't testify to what he produced. McCauley,
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  I would like you to turn to pay at the bottom.
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  The bait's number is redacted and the month is redacted. Maxwell. Okay, McCauley.
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  If you go down to the number that is redacted,
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  that would be redacted, you're going to see on that
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  line and redacted, which is a redacted, and then you
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  will see redacted, which is going to be I'm going
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  to pronounce it incorrectly redacted. I'm sure I'm not pronouncing
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  that correctly. Then you will see in the list you
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  will see je GM redacted, redacted, redacted. It looks like
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  Maxwell interjects, I believe it, says Mail McCauley. Yes, then redacted.
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  I believe is that GM on this page representative of you? Maxwell? Well,
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  this would be a flight that I would potentially remember
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  with redacted on it, but I don't actually recall going
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  to Russia. McCauley, are those your initials? Do you recall
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  being on that flight? Maxwell? Those are my initials with redacted.
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  I don't recall this flight either, but I would be
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  more likely to if I had a bit more time
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  to study the timing of this. McCauley, your testimony is
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  you don't recall flying with redacted from redacted to redacted Maxwell,
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  I don't recall the redacted to redacted flight. I have
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  definitely flown with redacted. McCauley. On that same page, you
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  will see beneath there, beneath twenty two, you will see
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  the indication same as above, same as above, same as above,
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  in the column that originally had the initials Maxwell, Yeah,
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  McCauley and the names Maxwell, Uh huh. McCauley, do you
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  recall flying with redacted and redacted from redacted to redacted Maxwell,
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  I do, McCauley, So the GM that would be represented
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  in that column would be you, Maxwell, I recall going
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  to redacted with redacted, so that is likely to be me. McCauley,
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  So you were on Jeffrey's plane for that trip, Maxwell,
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  I believe I was McCauley, do you know who redacts
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  it is? Maxwell? I do not, McCauley. I'm going back
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  towards the front, which is going to be redacted, please,
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  and you're going to see Maxwell, hang on, I'm not McCauley.
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  Take your time. Maxwell, Okay, McCauley. You are going to
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  see in the day column you will see redacted, and
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  then about halfway down you will see redacted. Then you
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  will see the redacted, which is the column which is
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  where I want you to start looking at the log
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  and there you're going to see a whole bunch of redacted. Maxwell. Okay, McCauley.
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  If you look at the column, if you go back
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  up to the top on the redacted, if you look
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  at the column, you will see je GM redacted, Virginia
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  Roberts and I believe it says redacted. Sorry, I'm not
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  reading that very well. Do you recall flying from if
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  you see the dates the redacted, do you recall a
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  trip that went from the United States to redacted and
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  to the places I just mentioned where Virginia Roberts was
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  on the plane with you, mister Packley, objection to the
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  form and the foundation, Maxwell, I already testified that I
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  don't recall Virginia on any of these flights. McCauley, I
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  would like to mark is Maxwell seven. I will put
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  it at the top Maxwell Exhibit seven photo marked four identification.
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  Mister Pagliuca, has this document been produced in discovery? Ms McCauley, yes,
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  mister Pagliuca. Do you have a BAITS number, Miss McCauley,
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  This one doesn't. Ms McCauley, I'm going to ask you
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  to this. Pagliuca interjects, I don't recall seeing this document,
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  so I would like to see a BAITS number document
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  before we ask questions about it. McCauley. Can you go
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  look for it and I will continue. We will set
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  that aside until we get the BAITS number. You may
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  want to leave that log up and set it to
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  the side and we will bounce back to that. McCauley.
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  Do you recall, I think earlier you said you visited
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  Jeffrey's Island. I think they called it Saint Jeffrey or
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  Saint James, the US virgin Island Home. Maxwell, yes, Saint James. McCauley.
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  Do you recall whether redacted was ever on that island?
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  Maxwell categorically definitively, absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt
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  when I was present or any other time that I
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  am aware of, was redacted ever on that island. I
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  do not believe he went to that island ever. Ever.
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  That is an absolute fabrication and an absolute, flat out lie. McCauley,
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  was redacted ever at Jeffrey Epstein's homes when you were
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  present other than the island, I know you said that
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  did not happen the home in either New York or
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  Palm Beach or New Mexico. Maxwell, I do not believe
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  at any time Redacted was at any of Jeffrey's homes.
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  I have absolutely no knowledge or otherwise that he was
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  ever there. My guess is they're talking about Clinton here. McCauley,
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  you don't recall having dinner with him at any of
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  those homes. Maxwell, Again, Virginia is absolutely total lying. This
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  is the subject of defamation about Virginia and the lies
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  she has told, And one of the lies she told
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  was that President Clinton was on the island where I
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  was president. Absolutely one thousand percent. That is a flat out,
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  total fabrication and the lie. Just to add here, we
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  have other witnesses who have said they saw Bill Clinton
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  on the island. So there's that. McCauley. You did fly
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  planes Jeffrey Epstein's planes with President Clinton, Is that correct? Maxwell?
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  I have flown, yes, McCauley. Would it be fair to
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  say that President Clinton and Jeffrey are friends? Maxwell? I
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  wouldn't be able to characterize it like that. No, McCauley.
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  Are they acquaintances? Maxwell? I wouldn't categorize it. McCauley. He
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  just allowed him to use his plane. Maxwell, I couldn't
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  characterize Jeffrey's relationship. McCauley. When you were on the plane
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  with Jeffrey and President Clinton, did you observe Jeffrey and
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  Clinton talking Maxwell? I'm sure they did, McCauley. Did they
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  seem friendly? Maxwell? I don't recollect. McCauley. Was Epstein one
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  of the original people that conceive the redacted mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, do you know, Maxwell,
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  I don't have I don't have any idea what you're
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  talking about. McCauley, You don't know what I'm talking about.
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  Did you ever not at one of the houses, but
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  did you ever eat dinner with Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein, Maxwell,
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  are you just talking in general anywhere? McCauley, In general? Maxwell,
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  I believe on a plane of this nature we would
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  have had a meal, McCauley, but not outside of the
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  travel on the flights Maxwell, I can't recollect having a
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  meal with them. But just so we're clear, the allegations
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  that redacted had a meal on Jeffrey's Island is one
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  hundred percent false. Meanwhile, let's not forget that the Daily
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  Beast reported that Bill Clinton angele A Maxwell had an
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  intimate meeting and a dinner together at a restaurant. So
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  is Bill Clinton ever going to be held accountable or
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  is everybody just going to go around and may pretend
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  that this dude wasn't up to his ears in Epstein? Bullshit, McCauley.
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  But he may have had a meal on Jeffrey's plane, Maxwell,
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  I'm sure he had a meal on Jeffrey's plane. McCauley.
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  Do you know how many times he flew on Jeffrey's plane? Maxwell,
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  I don't. McCauley. Do you know who redacted is? Maxwell?
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  I do, McCauley, how do you know him? Maxwell? He
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  used to work or still works for redacted McCauley, did
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  you ever have a relationship with him? Maxwell, we are
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  talking about adult, consensual relationships. It's off the record, McCauley.
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  I'm not asking what you did with him. I'm asking
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  if you ever had a relationship with him. Mister Pagliuca,
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  If you understand the term relationship, certainly you can answer that. Maxwell.
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  The fine relationship, McCauley, somebody that you would have spent
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  time together with, either seeing them in a romantic relationship
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  or Maxwell interrupts, You need to be what do you
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  mean by romantic? I was friends with redacted, but you
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  were suggesting something more, so I want to be clear
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  what you were actually asking me. McCauley. You defined it.
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  You said you were friends with them. If that's what
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  you were, that's all I need to know. While you
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  were on the trip with redacted, do you recall where
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  you stayed at these locations? In other words, would you
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  leave the jet and stay overnight at a hotel? Do
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  you have recollection of this trip? Maxwell? I recollect the trip,
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  but if you're asking me where we stayed, you can
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  see it's a very fast paced trip. It was very tiring,
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  and I don't recollect where we stayed McCauley, do you
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  recollect if you stayed at the same place redacted state?
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  In other words, if you left the plane to go
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  to a hotel, did you all go together? Is your recollection? Maxwell,
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  I honestly don't recollect. No, McCauley. Part of this trip
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  we were just talking about. There is a flight that
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  it owes to Thailand. Do you remember being in Thailand?
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  Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and foundation. Maxwell, are
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  you asking me to that? Menager interrupts on the redacted trip, Maxwell,
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  are you referencing something, Menager? The part that, let me
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  make sure that I've got it here, the entry that
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  would be the Thailand would be the one. Let me
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  make sure I'm correct. I have you on the wrong page.
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  It's actually the page before it's going to be redacted,
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  and it's going to be the entry on redacted starting unredacted,
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  and then it goes down to where it has the
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  same as above to redacted. I'm saying redacted, mister Pakliuka,
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  That's what the document says. McAuley. I'm not representing the date,
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  but there it is. So the last leg of that
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  where it says same as above, has the second to last,
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  I'm sorry on the redacted redacted? Do you remember being
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  in Thailand with redacted? Maxwell? I do. McCauley, do you
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  remember what the purpose of the trip was, Maxwell, I don't. McCauley,
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  do you know whether do you recall did you stay
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  the night in Thailand? Maxwell? I don't recall. McCauley, do
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  you recall why you went to Thailand? Maxwell, I don't recall. McCauley.
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  Who is redacted? Maxwell? She I believe was the stewardess
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  on the flight. McCauley, did she perform any massages on
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  the flight? Maxwell? I don't recollect any massages on the flight.
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  All right, folks, So we're gonna wrap up this episode
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  right here, and then next episode we'll pick up where
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  we left off. All of the information that goes with
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  this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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  and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. We're gonna pick
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  up where we left off with a Glain Maxwell deposition.
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  So let's just get right back to it, shall we. McCauley,
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  do you know who redacted is? Maxwell? It doesn't know.
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  I don't know who that is. I can't recall McCauley.
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  This is not in color. It's a black and white,
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  but it has the bait label on it. Should I
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  take the sticker off the one that has I don't
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  know if you want to swap it, Pac Luka, let
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  the record reflect. I am replacing this on the black
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  and white copy of this exhibit with redacted. McCauley. So
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  we're talking earlier, we were looking at the flight logs
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  and we were talking about a trip. And let me
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  just get you back to the page a whole bunch
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  of redactions now. Then it goes back to another question.
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  Can I direct your attention to the picture please? Maxwell?
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  Of course, McCauley. Can you tell me who is in
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  this picture? Who is pictured here? And for the court
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  reporter's benefit, can you go from the left of the
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  picture to the right of the picture to the extent
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  you can identify the individuals? Maxwell? Sure, I cannot identify
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  the person on the left, I cannot identify the person
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  next left. I can identify Jeffrey Epstein. I cannot identify
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  the next person to his right, And the next person
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  in the picture is myself McCauley. Is the individual all
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  the way to the left at the beginning of the picture.
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  Does that resemble redacted? You might want to look at
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  the color version if that helps you at all. I
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  know it's not the marked one, and I don't know
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  if that's easier to see, but they are both dark. Maxwell.
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  That does not look like redacted at all. McCauley, do
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  you recall, mister Pagliuca. Let's mark this then as deposition
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  Exhibit number eight, since we're referring to it, and then
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  you can give us copies as well. Menager pipes in.
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  It's different because it has other people in this color photo, Maxwell,
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  Exhibit eight photos marked for identification. McCauley, do you recall
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  who took this photograph? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, do
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  you recall this photograph being taken by Virginia Maxwell? First
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  of all, I don't know where we are, McCauley, so
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  you don't recognize the building. Maxwell, I don't recognize the building,
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  and I don't recognize the only two people I recognize
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  in this picture are Jeffrey and myself. McCauley. Does this
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  look like a picture of a building that you would
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  have seen when you were on your trip to Europe?
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  Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I can't possibly answer that, McCauley. Do you recall Virginia
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  ever taking pictures? Maxwell? I barely recall Virginia period. McCauley.
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  Do you ever recall her taking pictures? Maxwell? No, I don't, McCauley.
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  I'm going to direct your attention still within the flight logs,
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  to starting on the next page from where you just were,
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  which is going to be redacted, and the date at
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  the top says redacted. You will see redacted. And I'm
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  directing your attention down towards the middle to the bottom,
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  where you will see the numbers redacted. Maxwell. Uh huh, McCauley,
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  And we've got Actually, I'm going to direct your attention
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  to the one that starts with redacted redacted, and in
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  the line the remarks line, you will see je GM,
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  then a bunch of redactions. Mister Pakliuka, Are you reading
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  the twenty ninth? Is that what you're reading, McCauley. I'm
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  reading the twenty ninth, Yes, McCauley. Below that you will
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  see Jaye GM and a bunch of redactions. Do you
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  see that, Maxwell? I do. McCauley. Do you recall a
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  trip from Teeterborough to Santa Fe and Santa Fe back
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  to Palm Beach with these individuals. Maxwell, I don't. McCauley,
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  do you ever recall being on a plane with redacted
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  and Virginia Roberts Maxwell, I don't. McCauley, do you ever
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  recall witnessing any sexual interactions on one of Jeffrey's planes
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  with any of these individuals? Maxwell? I do not, absolutely not, McCauley.
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  Did Jeffrey Epstein have a fold out bed on his plane? Maxwell?
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  There was a bed on one of his planes that
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  folded out. Yes, McCauley. Do you recall whether, with respect
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  to this being in Santa Fe, do you recall whether
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  you were there for some form of a party? Mister
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  Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
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  don't recall the trip at all. And this looks like
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  a total work trip, not a party trip. McCauley. What
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  would be the difference between work trip and a party trip? Maxwell?
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  Just that I would have been on trips for work,
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  and I believe that this looks like redacted, looks like
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  it's one of the probably one of the designers, and
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  the time would meet with a trip to decorate the house,
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  just the timing of it, McCauley. So would Virginia be
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  brought on trips that were for the purpose of work
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  and decorating the house? Maxwell, Like I said, I ever
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  worked with her, But you would have to ask Jeffrey
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  what he brought her on the trip for McCauley. But
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  she would travel with him when there was work trips
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  like this, Maxwell, I can't. I'm seeing that she is
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  on this flight, but I have no idea what she
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  is doing. He invited her. It would not be my job. McCauley.
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  What about Nadia Borland? Would she regularly travel with Jeffrey
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  on flights? Maxwell? I have no idea. You would have
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  to look through your flight logs. I have no idea, McCauley.
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  Your recollection is what is your recollection? Do you recollect
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  Naudia traveling often on flights with Jeffrey Maxwell? Absolutely not,
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  not at all. I don't recollect her actually on the
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  flight at all. McCauley. I think you can set that
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  aside for the moment. Maxwell. Exhibit nine message bad pages
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  marked for identification. McCauley, We will mark as Exhibit nine.
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  These excerpts from we will identify what they are. But
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  from the message pads, do you want to correct anything? Maxwell,
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  I want to make an addendum. Would you mind reading
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  the last question back to me? Record read Maxwell. I
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  also just want to say that at this point I
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  cannot recollect flying the parties Jeffrey went for work. So
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  was this in Santa Fe? This flight as well, McCauley.
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  The flight we were looking at, yes, but it was
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  too Santa Fe. Maxwell, I don't recall going to any
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  parties in Santa Fe at any time, but certainly flying
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  to Santa Fe for a party seems highly improbable McCauley.
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  So I'm going to direct your attention to the document
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  that I set aside before, which is Bates' number is
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  redacted and it has different Baits numbers because it's a
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  smaller version of the larger production. These are the pages
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  I'll be asking about. In the time that you were
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  working with Jeffrey Epstein in Palm Beach, do you recall
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  a process for taking anybody at the house taking messages
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  when incoming phone calls came in? Maxwell, You're supposed to
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  take a message and receive the message and write the
• 21:35
  message down. Who was a message for? What? Time it
• 21:38
  was taken, and who took it, and what the message was. Obviously, McCauley,
• 21:43
  does what's in front of you look familiar with respect
• 21:46
  to the message pads that you would have used at
• 21:48
  the house, Maxwell, it's familiar, McCauley. I'm going to direct
• 21:52
  your attention to the second page of it, mister Pagliuca.
• 21:56
  These all have SAO numbers on them or baits ranges,
• 22:00
  and I don't see any of your bait ranges on these.
• 22:02
  I know you have produced message pads, but those have
• 22:05
  your base range numbers on them, and I'm wondering if
• 22:08
  these are different documents. McCauley, it's the same, just ours
• 22:12
  have baits underneath them. These were produced as part of
• 22:15
  the Rule twenty six discovery. We can get additional baits
• 22:18
  if you want, McCauley. The one I'm asking about first
• 22:22
  is the redacted. You can look at it and then
• 22:25
  I will identify the bait's number referenced. In this case,
• 22:29
  I want to direct your attention to the top right
• 22:31
  hand corner, just so I have an understanding of how
• 22:34
  these messages were taken. So I see that it says
• 22:37
  at the top, it says in the fore line it
• 22:39
  says miss Maxwell and the data of redacted. And then
• 22:42
  I see under the M line it looks like redacted
• 22:45
  or something like that, a phone number and a message
• 22:49
  saying return your call, and on the bottom it looks redacted.
• 22:53
  Explain to me is this does this represent redacted taking
• 22:57
  down a message for you from redacted? Is that how
• 23:01
  these work? Mister Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation.
• 23:06
  Go ahead, Manager. My question is I'm trying to understand
• 23:09
  how the messages were taken. Looking at this message bad
• 23:13
  where it says signed redacted, can you tell me who
• 23:16
  redacted was? Maxwell? I cannot, McCauley, you do not know
• 23:21
  typically when these messages were taken in your practice, when
• 23:25
  you were there with the individual who took the message,
• 23:27
  write their name on the message, mister Pagliuka, objection to
• 23:31
  the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect. You
• 23:35
  can ask who wrote it so you can find out
• 23:37
  who it was. McCauley, do you know who redacted is? Maxwell?
• 23:41
  I don't, McCauley. I'm going to direct your attention. Do
• 23:45
  we have a BAITS number for that? Brad Edwards pipes up,
• 23:48
  but his comment is redacted McCauley Roberts for that one.
• 23:52
  I will direct your attention to the first page, which
• 23:55
  has the redacted on it. Maxwell. Okay, McCauley. Now at
• 23:59
  the tip up of the document on the right hand side,
• 24:02
  the message that reads for JE date redacted, message redacted
• 24:07
  and then it signed GM. Is that your signature? Maxwell?
• 24:11
  That's not my handwriting, McCauley. Would other people take a message?
• 24:14
  How did this process work if there's someone else in
• 24:17
  the house with the initials GM? Mister Pagliuca objection to
• 24:22
  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I cannot answer that
• 24:25
  it's not my handwriting, McCauley. I'm trying to understand how
• 24:29
  this gets there if you took a message and didn't
• 24:31
  write it down, with someone else record the message for you,
• 24:34
  mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
• 24:39
  all I can tell you this is not my handwriting,
• 24:41
  so I cannot I have no idea what it is, McCauley.
• 24:45
  Was the practice that what was the practice when someone
• 24:48
  answered the phone with the message pads? What were they
• 24:51
  supposed to do? Maxwell? They were supposed to take a
• 24:55
  message and the time and the date and give the
• 24:58
  message McCauley. Were they supposed to indicate who took the message? Maxwell?
• 25:03
  They were, but it wasn't. I don't really recall the
• 25:05
  actual process. I can see from here it looks like
• 25:08
  you were supposed to, but that's not my handwriting, so
• 25:11
  I can't say what that was. McCauley. Do you know
• 25:14
  who redacted is? Maxwell? No? I don't. McCauley. Do you
• 25:18
  know whether redacted was under the age of eighteen? Maxwell?
• 25:22
  I just testified I couldn't remember who she was, so
• 25:25
  it would be difficult to know how old she was. McCauley,
• 25:29
  do you know if she was coming to the house
• 25:31
  to provide massages? Maxwell? I don't remember who she is
• 25:35
  at all, So no, McCauley. And then I would like
• 25:38
  to direct your attention to the message right underneath it,
• 25:40
  which says Jaye redacted or redacted and has a phone number,
• 25:44
  and the message says wants to know if she should
• 25:47
  bring her friend redacted tonight. What is that message referring
• 25:51
  to pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
• 25:56
  I can't possibly know, McCauley. Did individuals at the house
• 26:00
  take messages for underage girls to come over and bring
• 26:03
  friends for the purpose of providing massages. Mister Pagliuca objection
• 26:07
  to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, How would I
• 26:11
  possibly know what you were talking about? McCauley. Did you
• 26:15
  record messages at the house? Maxwell, It's not my job, McCauley.
• 26:20
  You did from time to time record messages. Maxwell, hardly ever, McCauley,
• 26:25
  but you did from time to time. Do it? Maxwell,
• 26:28
  I'm just saying I hardly ever took messages very very
• 26:31
  very very infrequently. McCauley. Do you know if redacted brought
• 26:35
  our friend redacted over on that night? Pagliuca objection to
• 26:40
  the form and the foundation, Maxwell one, I don't know
• 26:44
  what this message is. I don't know if if I
• 26:46
  was in Palm Beach, I don't know who redacted is.
• 26:49
  I don't know who redacted is, and I don't know
• 26:51
  what this message is referring to McCauley. So on January
• 26:56
  second of two thousand and three, were you in pom Beach? Maxwell?
• 27:00
  I don't know, McCauley. Where would you have been other
• 27:03
  than Palm Beach at that time? Maxwell? I could have
• 27:06
  been anywhere. McCauley, where did you typically live? Maxwell? What
• 27:10
  are you asking me McCauley, So, for example, in two
• 27:13
  thousand and three, where was your primary residence? Was it
• 27:16
  wherever Jeffrey was living and staying or was it independent
• 27:20
  of that? Maxwell? What was the date again, McCauley in
• 27:24
  two thousand and three Maxwell, the end of two thousand
• 27:27
  and three McCauley, January the beginning. Maxwell, I don't know.
• 27:31
  I could have been anywhere. Jeffrey and I were leading
• 27:35
  almost separate lives by then, McCauley. If you were at
• 27:38
  the house that day, did you recall seeing anybody by
• 27:41
  the name of redacted mister Pagliuca objection to the form, Maxwell,
• 27:47
  I don't know if I was at the house, so
• 27:49
  I can't testify to that. All right, folks, who are
• 27:52
  going to wrap up this part here and in the
• 27:54
  next episode we'll pick up where we left off. All
• 27:57
  of the information that goes with this episode can be
• 28:00
  found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
• 28:05
  back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna
• 28:08
  dive right back in to the Glaine Maxwell deposition. So
• 28:13
  let's get the discuss bus rolling, shall we. McCauley. Let's
• 28:18
  flip back to the next page, the one we were
• 28:20
  on before they're adacted. The message towards the bottom that
• 28:23
  says for Jeffrey message of Golaine, and it says, would
• 28:27
  it be helpful to have it then redacted come to
• 28:30
  Palm Beach today to stay here and help train new
• 28:33
  staff with Glaine. Who are you referring to in that message?
• 28:36
  Do you remember, mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
• 28:41
  the foundation. McCauley. The question is do you recall the message? Maxwell,
• 28:47
  I do not recall the message. McCauley. Do you recall
• 28:50
  training a female under the age of eighteen at Jeffrey
• 28:53
  Epstein's home Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
• 28:59
  I have never trained to female under the age of
• 29:01
  eighteen at Jeffrey's home. McCauley, did you ever say it
• 29:06
  would be helpful to have a female under the age
• 29:08
  of eighteen come to Palm Beach today to stay here
• 29:11
  and help train new staff with Glaine? Maxwell, I never
• 29:15
  asked anyone under the age of eighteen to come and
• 29:18
  help train new staff. McCauley. I'm going to flip to
• 29:21
  the next page, which is redacted. Maxwell. By the way,
• 29:24
  that is not my handwriting, and it's not dated, and
• 29:27
  I couldn't possibly tell you who that is. Did you
• 29:30
  hear that, McCauley, You got your testimony on the record, Maxwell, Yes,
• 29:35
  mister Edwards Roberts redacted. McCauley. I'm going to direct your
• 29:40
  attention to the top right hand corner for mister Epstein
• 29:43
  redacted message redacted a phone number and called. Do you
• 29:47
  know who that is? Maxwell? I do not, McCauley, do
• 29:51
  you know that redacted was fifteen at the time she
• 29:54
  left this message? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form and Foundation? Maxwell,
• 29:59
  I don't know who redacted is, McCauley. And then I'm
• 30:03
  going to direct your attention to the bottom left, which
• 30:06
  is a message Jaye message of redacted, and the message
• 30:10
  says he just did a good one. Eighteen years she
• 30:13
  spoke to me and said, I love Jeffrey. Was redacted
• 30:17
  referring to sex with an eighteen year old in that message,
• 30:20
  mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form and the Foundation, Maxwell,
• 30:25
  How could I know what redacted is referring to? McCauley.
• 30:29
  Do you know if redacted had sex with an eighteen
• 30:31
  year old that he referenced to Jeffrey Epstein, and we're
• 30:35
  talking about John Luke Brenell here Pakliuka objection to the
• 30:39
  form and the Foundation? Maxwell, how could I possibly know? McCauley.
• 30:44
  Did Jeffrey Epstein or redacted ever tell you that redacted
• 30:48
  had sex with an eighteen year old Mister Pagliuka objection
• 30:52
  to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell, I have no
• 30:56
  idea what you're talking about, McCauley. Did they ever tell
• 30:59
  you that? Maxwell? I have no recollection of every hearing
• 31:03
  such a ridiculous thing, McCauley. I will turn to the
• 31:07
  next page, which is SAO twenty eight forty one. Menager,
• 31:12
  do you have the Baits number, McCauley, the bottom right
• 31:14
  hand corner, mister Epstein, the date redacted, Miss Maxwell. It
• 31:18
  says redacted. It says quote redacted is available on Tuesday,
• 31:23
  no One for tomorrow. Is this a message that you
• 31:26
  took Maxwell? It's not my handwriting, and I don't know
• 31:30
  who are is McCauley. So when it says miss Maxwell
• 31:34
  in the line there is that you calling for mister Epstein,
• 31:37
  mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
• 31:42
  I didn't write it. I don't know when this message
• 31:45
  was taken. I don't even know what it's referring to,
• 31:48
  and I don't know what my name is doing on
• 31:50
  that message. Bad McCauley. I know you said you only
• 31:54
  took them a few times. Do you have a recollection
• 31:57
  of taking messages of females who would call the house
• 31:59
  to indicate whether or not they were coming over? Mister
• 32:03
  Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, give
• 32:08
  me a date range McCauley on seven nine four. Maxwell,
• 32:13
  how would I know if I'm in Palm Beach? Most
• 32:15
  likely not McCauley. I'm asking you if you have a
• 32:19
  recollection of taking messages for girls who would call the
• 32:22
  house Maxwell, girls, McCauley, females who would call the house
• 32:27
  Maxwell over the age of eighteen. McCauley, redacted is fifteen. Maxwell.
• 32:32
  I don't know who redacted is, so I can't testify
• 32:35
  anything to redacted McCauley. Your name is on the message, Maxwell,
• 32:40
  I didn't put it there, and I don't know what
• 32:42
  it's doing there McCauley, So your testimony is you didn't
• 32:46
  take this message. Maxwell, I obviously didn't take the message.
• 32:50
  It's signed by somebody, are it's not my handwriting. We
• 32:53
  don't know if I'm in Palm Beach. McCauley, did you
• 32:57
  arrange for redacted to have his friend redacted come over
• 32:59
  on two day of this week? Maxwell, I don't know
• 33:02
  who redacted is, so it would be hard for me
• 33:05
  to arrange anything with someone I don't know. McCauley, why
• 33:09
  is your name reflected on this message pad? Mister Pakliuka
• 33:13
  objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have
• 33:17
  no idea. You would have to ask whoever took the message. McCauley.
• 33:21
  Did you, in the course of your work regularly take
• 33:25
  messages for Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, I already testified I hardly
• 33:29
  ever did. McCauley, would you, in the course of your
• 33:32
  work regularly set up appointments for females to come over
• 33:36
  and give massages for Jeffrey Epstein? Mister Pakliuka objection to
• 33:41
  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you specify females?
• 33:45
  Do you mean adults over the age of eighteen? McCauley,
• 33:48
  did you regularly set up for Jeffrey Epstein adults over
• 33:52
  the age of eighteen to come from massages? Maxwell? I
• 33:55
  didn't regularly do that. No, McCauley would you take message
• 34:00
  with the respect of females over the age of eighteen
• 34:02
  to come over for a massage? Maxwell, I already testified,
• 34:06
  I hardly ever did take messages, McCauley, But would you, Maxwell,
• 34:12
  I already testified I hardly ever to this, McCauley interrupts her.
• 34:16
  I know hardly ever, But did you, Maxwell? Over the
• 34:20
  course of time, it is possible I may have taken
• 34:22
  a couple. I have no recollection. I hardly ever did,
• 34:25
  and I did so irregularly that it would be hard
• 34:28
  for me to pinpoint. McCauley, did you ever take a
• 34:31
  message for a female under the age of eighteen to
• 34:34
  come over for a massage for any other reason? To
• 34:36
  be with Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
• 34:40
  and the foundation. Maxwell, I hardly ever took a message.
• 34:44
  I have absolutely no way of knowing. Maybe one of
• 34:47
  my friend's daughters called to say they were coming to
• 34:49
  visit me. I have never taken messages. I don't know
• 34:52
  about how I would possibly know if somebody I spoke
• 34:55
  to one or two times that I took a message,
• 34:58
  is how old they would be. But I have never
• 35:01
  taken a message where I was aware of anything being
• 35:04
  under the age of eighteen, and I probably took it
• 35:06
  so infrequently it would be impossible. McCauley. Can you turn
• 35:11
  to redacted? It should be the next page. Maxwell. Uh huh, McCauley.
• 35:16
  Do you see at the top it says for mister
• 35:19
  j eleven eight oh four, and then the name is redacted.
• 35:22
  It says I have a female forum. Why would a
• 35:24
  minor be calling Jeffrey to say they have a female forum?
• 35:28
  Do you know, mister Pakliuka objection to the form and
• 35:32
  the foundation? Maxwell? First of all, I don't know that's
• 35:36
  a minor. I don't know who took the message. McCauley,
• 35:39
  I will represent to you these are police reports and
• 35:42
  miner's names have to be redacted for privacy purposes. Pagliuca
• 35:47
  objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley. Do you
• 35:51
  know why a minor child would be calling Jeffrey and
• 35:54
  leaving a message to say, quote, I have a female forum.
• 35:57
  Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
• 36:02
  I can't testify anything about this message. I don't know
• 36:05
  anything about it. McCauley. I'm going to direct your attention
• 36:09
  to the next page. Redacted. If you look at the
• 36:11
  bottom left, you are going to see a message for
• 36:13
  Jeffrey from redacted. It says she doesn't have a number
• 36:17
  and left a message that she called. Do you know
• 36:20
  who redacted is? Maxwell? I do not, McCauley. Do you
• 36:25
  know that redacted was thirteen at the time she placed
• 36:28
  this call to Jeffrey? Maxwell, I don't know who redacted is, McCauley.
• 36:34
  Would Jeffrey regularly have thirteen year old's call and leave messages?
• 36:38
  Mister Pagliuca objection to the forum and the foundation? Maxwell,
• 36:44
  how would I possibly? These were messages taken when I
• 36:47
  was not at the house, and I have no idea
• 36:49
  who they are now, how old they are, nor anything. McCauley,
• 36:54
  how do you know you weren't at the house on
• 36:55
  this day? Maxwell? I was hardly at the house in
• 36:58
  two thousand and five, McCauley, so you could have been there.
• 37:02
  You just don't know, Maxwell, in the five days I
• 37:05
  might have been there in two thousand and five. I
• 37:07
  suppose it's possible, but it's unlikely. Mister Pagliyuka, do you
• 37:11
  know why this isn't redacted? If you were representing all
• 37:13
  the names of people who are underage who have been
• 37:15
  redacted from these records. Ms McCauley, I think it was.
• 37:19
  My assumption is it was a miss by the police department. McCauley,
• 37:24
  I will direct your attention to redacted, so you will
• 37:27
  skip the page and go back. It's the final page
• 37:30
  and the message pads and you will see on the
• 37:32
  top left for Jeffrey on six y one, two thousand
• 37:36
  and five from redacted with a phone number. It says, quote,
• 37:40
  he was a teacher for you to teach you how
• 37:42
  to speak Russian. She is two times eight years old,
• 37:46
  not blonde. Lessons are free and you can have your
• 37:48
  first today if you call. So what do you think
• 37:50
  that we're talking about? There? Just to interject, probably not
• 37:54
  talking about somebody coming over to play, you know Patty cakes? Right?
• 37:59
  Do you know whether adacted sent a Russian girl that
• 38:01
  was sixteen years old over to Jeffrey Epstein's home, Mister
• 38:05
  Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
• 38:10
  do not know. McCauley. Did you ever observe a Russian
• 38:13
  girl that was sixteen years old come to Jeffrey Epstein's home? Maxwell,
• 38:18
  I am not aware of any sixteen year old Russian
• 38:20
  girl that I can recall in Jeffrey Epstein's homes. McCauley,
• 38:24
  do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein had sex with a
• 38:26
  sixteen year old Russian girl? Mister Pagliuka objection to the
• 38:30
  form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I do not know. They
• 38:36
  take a quick break here and then they get back
• 38:38
  at one twenty one pm and the questioning starts right away, McCauley,
• 38:44
  Miss Maxwell. Before the break, we were talking about and
• 38:47
  I think it's one of the exhibits that's marked in
• 38:49
  front of you. I'm not sure of the number, but
• 38:51
  the police report that I showed you earlier today. Now
• 38:55
  that you have knowledge of the police report and the
• 38:57
  criminal investigation with respect to Jeffrey Epstein, do you believe
• 39:01
  that Jeffrey Epstein abused any minor children? Mister Pagliuca objection
• 39:06
  to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. Can you repeat
• 39:10
  the question please and break it down so it's more understandable. McCauley.
• 39:15
  Now that you have the police report and I showed
• 39:17
  you this morning that you had an opportunity to look
• 39:19
  at it, Maxwell, you gave it to me. I didn't
• 39:21
  look at it. McCauley. The question that I asked you
• 39:25
  about the police report. You were aware that there is
• 39:27
  a police report. Maxwell, I'm aware that there's a police report. McCauley.
• 39:32
  So you're aware there was a criminal investigation of Jeffrey Maxwell,
• 39:37
  I'm aware that there was, McCauley. Now that you were
• 39:40
  aware of those two things, and having talked to Jeffrey Epstein,
• 39:43
  do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Mister Pagliuca
• 39:47
  objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, can you
• 39:51
  reask the second part of that question, please, McCauley. Sure,
• 39:55
  these two documents we were talking about, the document and
• 39:58
  the investigation you said you were aware of and after
• 40:01
  having talked to Jeffrey Epstein, do you believe Jeffrey Epstein
• 40:04
  sexually abused miners? Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and foundation? Maxwell,
• 40:11
  what do you mean I talked to Jeffrey. You need
• 40:13
  to break the question down further. McCauley. So you have
• 40:17
  the police report, Maxwell, I do, McCauley, and you're aware
• 40:21
  of the criminal investigation. Maxwell, I am, McCauley. Let's take
• 40:25
  those two things. After knowing those two things, do you
• 40:28
  believe that Jeffrey Epstein abused minor children. Mister Pagliuca objection
• 40:34
  to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you explain
• 40:37
  what you mean by the question, actually, McCauley, I think
• 40:40
  the question speaks for itself. I'll try again, though, I
• 40:43
  will say it one more time because I want you
• 40:45
  to be able to understand it, knowing that you have
• 40:48
  a police report here and knowing about the criminal investigation.
• 40:52
  Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Mister
• 40:56
  Pagliuka sam objection. Maxwell. I know what you put in
• 41:00
  front of me, and I know what I read. McCauley,
• 41:03
  I'm asking what you believe. Do you believe Jeffrey Epstein
• 41:06
  sexually abused miners? Maxwell? I can only tell you what
• 41:09
  I read and what you showed me. McCauley, I'm asking
• 41:13
  what you believe from your own belief Do you believe
• 41:15
  that Jeffrey Epstein abused miners? Maxwell? I can only go
• 41:19
  from what I know personally and what I know personally
• 41:21
  about what Virginia's lie is talked about. She is the
• 41:24
  only person I know that actually claimed that, and I
• 41:27
  can say with certitude that everything Virginia said was a lie. McCauley,
• 41:32
  you're aware that Jeffrey Epstein was sentenced for sexual abuse?
• 41:35
  Are you aware of that? Mister Pagliuka objection to the
• 41:39
  form and Foundation. McCauley, are you aware that Jeffrey Epstein
• 41:42
  served time for sexual abuse of a minor? Pagliuka objection
• 41:46
  to the form and Foundation. Maxwell, I don't believe that's
• 41:49
  what he was sentenced for, actually, McCauley, So you don't
• 41:53
  know that Jeffrey Epstein served time for a sexually abusing
• 41:56
  a minor. Mister Pagliuka objection to the form in the Foundation, Maxwell,
• 42:02
  I don't believe that's what he was sentenced for. McCauley.
• 42:05
  Do you know that Jeffrey Epstein was convicted for a
• 42:07
  procuring a minor for prostitution? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
• 42:12
  Form and Foundation. Maxwell, I don't know exactly what he
• 42:15
  was convicted of. I don't know that he was convicted.
• 42:19
  I know that he spent time in jail. McCauley, do
• 42:23
  you know that he spent time in jail related to
• 42:25
  an issue with a minor child? Mister Pagliuka objection to
• 42:29
  the Foreman Foundation, Maxwell, I did not think I know that, McCauley,
• 42:35
  what did you think that he was spending time in
• 42:36
  jail for? Maxwell? I only know he went to jail
• 42:40
  for it was alleged that he hired that had an
• 42:42
  underage prostitute. McCauley, So, knowing that, do you believe that
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  Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
• 42:51
  Forum and the Foundation? Maxwell, I can only tell you
• 42:54
  what he went to jail for. McCauley, I'm asking what
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  you believe. I'm not asking what he went to jail for.
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  I'm asking for your belief. Maxwell. I cannot testify to
• 43:04
  what I believe. I can only say what I have
• 43:07
  seen in the reports, and I know you went to jail. McCauley,
• 43:11
  you can testify to what you believe. Do you believe
• 43:15
  to this? Maxwell cuts her off. I can only testify.
• 43:18
  McCauley here returns the favor. Let me finish the question
• 43:21
  so the record is clear. Do you believe Jeffrey Epstein's
• 43:24
  sexually abused miners? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
• 43:29
  the Foundation. McCauley, you can answer, Maxwell, I can only
• 43:33
  testify to what I know. I know that Virginia is
• 43:36
  a liar, and I know that what she testified to
• 43:38
  is a lie. So I can only testify to what
• 43:41
  I know to be a falsehood, and half those falsehoods
• 43:44
  are enormous, and so I can only categorically deny everything
• 43:47
  she has said. And that is the only thing I
• 43:49
  can talk about, because I have no knowledge of anything else. McCauley,
• 43:53
  I'm not asking about Virginia. I'm asking whether you believe
• 43:57
  that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners. Maxwell again, I repeat,
• 44:01
  I can only go on what I know, and what
• 44:04
  I know is a falsehood based on what Virginia said. McCauley,
• 44:08
  do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Maxwell again,
• 44:12
  I repeat, Virginia is a liar, and based on Virginia's stories,
• 44:16
  that is what she lied. And I can only then
• 44:18
  talk about what you've showed me in the police reports,
• 44:21
  and I know he went to jail. McCauley, do you
• 44:24
  believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? I'm asking about
• 44:27
  your belief Maxwell again, I just repeat, I can only
• 44:31
  go my belief is that Virginia is a liar. McCauley,
• 44:35
  what is that belief? Maxwell? She is an absolute liar
• 44:38
  and everything she said is a lie, and therefore everything
• 44:41
  that stems from it that is a lie. McCauley, Do
• 44:45
  you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Maxwell? Again?
• 44:49
  Can we move on from here? McCauley, No, you're going
• 44:52
  to answer the question Maxwell, I have already McCauley, No,
• 44:56
  you have not, Maxwell, I have McAll. Do you believe
• 45:00
  Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Maxwell? Again? I repeat. The
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  only person I know who has talked about these things
• 45:08
  that I have personal was personally present, was Virginia. And
• 45:11
  I can only talk to Virginia and that she is
• 45:13
  a liar. McCauley. Setting aside Virginia, take her out of
• 45:16
  the picture. It's my question Maxwell. We are here today
• 45:21
  because of Virginia and her lies, because this is a
• 45:23
  defamation suit. McCauley, setting aside Virginia, do you believe Jeffrey
• 45:27
  Epstein sexually abuse miners? Maxwell? I cannot set aside Virginia
• 45:32
  because that's why we are here, and this is the
• 45:35
  only reason I am sitting here in this room, and
• 45:37
  I will not set her aside, and I cannot comment
• 45:40
  about anything else except her, because she is the only
• 45:43
  person I actually know about. McCauley, are you refusing to
• 45:47
  answer the question? Maxwell, I am not refusing to answer
• 45:50
  the question. I can only testify about Virginia, who is
• 45:54
  an absolute total liar, and you all know she is.
• 45:57
  She lied about her age. You know she lied about
• 45:59
  absolutely So I can only go on what I know
• 46:02
  as a liar, and she is a liar, an exaggerator,
• 46:05
  a fantasist, an absolutely true, terrible person. McCauley, I want
• 46:10
  you to listen very carefully. I'm asking you to set
• 46:13
  aside Virginia. Maxwell. I can't set aside Virginia. McCauley. I
• 46:18
  am asking you to do that for the purposes of
• 46:20
  this question. Pagliuca, she doesn't have to McCauley. She can
• 46:25
  refuse to answer the question. Maxwell. I'm not refusing to
• 46:28
  answer the question. McCauley, you are refusing. My question has
• 46:31
  nothing to do with Virginia. Let me make the record here.
• 46:34
  My question has nothing to do with Virginia. I want
• 46:37
  it to be clear for the court. My question has
• 46:39
  nothing to do with Virginia. What I'm asking is whether
• 46:43
  you believe Jeffrey Epstein abused miners. Mister Pagliuca, I object
• 46:47
  to the form you made your record. She answered the question.
• 46:50
  A fair reading of her answer is she doesn't have
• 46:52
  a belief because she doesn't have a personal knowledge. McCauley.
• 46:58
  Now you are testifying for the witness. Let to answer
• 47:00
  the question. Pagliuka, it's a fair answer to the question. Maxwell, again,
• 47:05
  I testified. My only personal knowledge concerns Virginia, and everything
• 47:10
  Virginia has said is an absolute lie, which is why
• 47:13
  we were here today. If you are asking me to
• 47:16
  testify about things I have no knowledge of other than
• 47:18
  the police report that you showed me, I am not
• 47:20
  in a position to make a statement based on that,
• 47:23
  because you are asking me to speculate and I cannot speculate. McCauley,
• 47:27
  I'm asking about your belief. I'm not asking you to
• 47:30
  speculate at all. I'm asking what you believe. Maxwell. You're
• 47:33
  asking me to speculate, and I won't speculate. McCauley, I
• 47:37
  am not asking you to speculate. I am asking what
• 47:40
  you believe. Pagliuka. She answered the question, and we can
• 47:43
  move on. McCauley. She has not answered the question, Pagliuka,
• 47:47
  we are not going to engage in this debate. She
• 47:49
  answered the question if you want a market to move
• 47:52
  to compel an answer to the question, have at it? Okay, McCauley,
• 47:57
  Miss Maxwell, is it your belief that Jeffrey Epstein interacts
• 48:00
  it's sexually with miners? Maxwell, Again, you were asking me
• 48:03
  the same type of question exactly, but with different language. Again,
• 48:07
  my only knowledge of somebody who claims these things that
• 48:09
  I have personal knowledge of is Virginia. Virginia is an
• 48:13
  absolute liar, and everything she has said is a lie. Therefore,
• 48:16
  based on those lies, I cannot speculate on what anybody
• 48:20
  else did or didn't do, because if Virginia is the
• 48:24
  example of what that story is, and everything she said
• 48:26
  is false, so everything that leads from that is also false. McCauley,
• 48:32
  So the other thirty minor children in the police report
• 48:35
  are also telling lies about being sexually abused during massages
• 48:39
  with mister Epstein. Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and
• 48:43
  Foundation counsel. Can you show me in these police reports
• 48:46
  who the thirty miners are McCauley. I'm asking my question, Pagliuka,
• 48:50
  you're making a representation about numbers. You are making a
• 48:53
  representation on the record about what people said or didn't say.
• 48:57
  We have no knowledge about that. These are all red records,
• 49:01
  so these are bad questions. They don't lead to any
• 49:03
  admissible evidence. It is only being propounded to the witness
• 49:07
  to her asser. So we are done with these questions. McCauley,
• 49:12
  You're done, Pagliuka. Yes, My question is are you aware
• 49:16
  that Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of having relationships with a
• 49:19
  minor child. Pagliuka once again interjects she answered that question already. McCauley.
• 49:25
  I'm getting to my next question. Pagliuka, ask your next question.
• 49:29
  Don't keep asking the same question. McCauley, you are now shouting.
• 49:33
  I want the record to reflect that you are interrupting
• 49:35
  the deposition. I ask you to calm down, take a
• 49:38
  deep breath, and please let me ask my questions. Pagliuka,
• 49:42
  your behavior is inappropriate. McCauley. I'll ask my question again.
• 49:47
  Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein interact it's actually with minors?
• 49:51
  Maxwell again, I go back to this. My only actual
• 49:54
  knowledge is with Virginia, and Virginia is a liar. So
• 49:57
  I can only talk about what Virginia's store is. And
• 50:00
  as I've said before, and there are so many examples,
• 50:03
  I mean thousands of examples of her lies that that
• 50:06
  is the only thing I can talk about. McCauley, based
• 50:10
  on that, you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused Miners Maxwell. Again,
• 50:16
  as I said, I'm only talking to what I know.
• 50:19
  I can only talk to Virginia McCauley. So it is
• 50:22
  your belief that Jeffrey Epstein did not sexually abuse Miners Maxwell. Again,
• 50:27
  I can only talk on what I know, and I
• 50:28
  know that Virginia is a liar and that what she
• 50:31
  said is a lie. So I can only testify to
• 50:34
  what she accused. And you guys put in the press
• 50:37
  for salacious purposes and whatever terrible, inappropriate, unethical and terrible
• 50:41
  reasons you chose to do that about me, and I
• 50:44
  can testify those are all lies. McCauley not knocked off
• 50:48
  of her perch. Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein sexually
• 50:51
  abused any minor children? Again, I only know one thousand
• 50:56
  percent that Virginia is a liar. I can only talk
• 50:58
  to Virginia her lie, And you're inappropriate, unethical, really unattractive,
• 51:03
  terrible use of her and the way that you have
• 51:06
  abused the system, used the press for purposes that are unethical, inappropriate,
• 51:10
  and appalling. McCauley. Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein use
• 51:14
  massages to lure miners to have sex with them? Maxwell? Again,
• 51:19
  that is Virginia's testimony, which is a lie, McCauley. But
• 51:22
  do you believe it? Maxwell? Again, I refer back to
• 51:25
  Virginia McCauley. I'm asking whether you believe it or not. Maxwell.
• 51:29
  I can only go with what I know, and I
• 51:31
  know that Virginia is a liar, and therefore that's a lie. McCauley,
• 51:36
  So you don't believe that? Maxwell Again, I said that
• 51:39
  Virginia is a liar. McCauley. Are you aware that Jeffrey
• 51:42
  Epstein is a registered sex offender? Maxwell, I am, McCauley.
• 51:47
  Are you aware that Jeffrey Epstein paid considerable amounts of
• 51:50
  money to settle lawsuits with minor children that he had
• 51:53
  sexual contact with. Mister Pagliuk objection to the form and
• 51:57
  the foundation, Maxwell, I have no knowledge of those issues. McCauley.
• 52:01
  Why did you continue to maintain contact with Jeffrey Epstein
• 52:04
  after he pled guilty. Maxwell, I'm a very loyal person
• 52:08
  and Jeffrey was very good to me when my father
• 52:11
  passed away. And I believe that you need to be
• 52:13
  a good friend in people's hour of need. And I
• 52:16
  felt that it was very thoughtful, nice thing for me
• 52:18
  to do to help him in a very limited fashion,
• 52:21
  which was helping if he had any issues with his
• 52:24
  homes in terms of the staffing issues. It was very,
• 52:27
  very minor, but I felt it was thoughtful in somebody's
• 52:30
  hour of need. Did he continue to pay you during
• 52:33
  that time period? Maxwell? I was paid a little? Manager,
• 52:36
  you were paid? Maxwell? Yes, manager. When you say a little,
• 52:41
  what did you mean by that, Maxwell, I don't recall
• 52:43
  the exact amount. McCauley. So in two thousand and nine
• 52:47
  you left him. What were you being paid? Maxwell, I
• 52:50
  just told you, I don't recall, McCauley. Were you being
• 52:54
  paid one hundred grand? Maxwell? I just don't you. I
• 52:57
  don't recall, McCauley. Were you paid over a million dollars? Maxwell?
• 53:01
  I think I would remember over a million. So it
• 53:03
  was under a million, Maxwell, it was under a million
• 53:06
  dollars McCauley. Was it over five hundred thousand, Maxwell, I
• 53:10
  just told you it was under five hundred. It was
• 53:12
  an amount of money less than five hundred thousand dollars,
• 53:15
  less than a million dollars, and I did it out
• 53:17
  of thoughtfulness and consideration for somebody who was in trouble. McCauley,
• 53:21
  did you have an attorney to consult with during the
• 53:24
  criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein, Maxwell, I don't believe I did.
• 53:30
  All Right, folks, We're going to wrap up this episode
• 53:32
  here and in the next episode we'll pick up where
• 53:34
  we left off. All of the information that goes with
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