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Big Stu-ey: The Czar of Retired Numbers (w/Mike Francesa) · Stugotz and Company

• 0:27
  Speaker 1: I am not certain anything, and I mean anything makes
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Taylor happier than having Mike Francesa on. Mike is joining us.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: He's on the car phone. He's always on the car phone.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: Check out his podcast, miked up wherever you get your podcast.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Mike, How are you?
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: We're doing good here?
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: I am wondering if you don't mind, Mike, because I
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: was telling the guys, no one knows the market New
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: York better than you. No one knows that city and
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: what makes that city tick more so than you. And
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  Speaker 1: so I am wonder if you might be able to
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  Speaker 1: explain to Taylor, to Izzy, to mikey A, to the
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  Speaker 1: audience what it would mean to New York and that
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  Speaker 1: market and the city and the fans if the Knicks
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  Speaker 1: were to actually win an NBA championship.
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  Speaker 3: It would be overwhelming, absolutely overwhelming. When the Knicks win,
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  Speaker 3: which is obviously extremely rare, or when they're very good,
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  Speaker 3: which is obviously extremely rare, which we'll find out if
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  Speaker 3: they are this year, you know, they could get to
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  Speaker 3: the finals. I don't think they can win it. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think anybody's beating Oklahoma City. But and there's no
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  Speaker 3: guarantee they're going to beat anybody in the East that's left,
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  Speaker 3: although they'll win the Atlanta series. But back to your question.
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  Speaker 3: The hole that the Knicks have, especially on the inner City,
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  Speaker 3: especially on Manhattan, Yes, is so overwhelming that you cannot
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  Speaker 3: even imagine the impact. It would be unbelievable. It would
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  Speaker 3: be like Christmas and New Year's Eve and any of
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  Speaker 3: the holiday you want to put in the all wrapped
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  Speaker 3: into one in the greatest city in the world. So, yes,
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  Speaker 3: the impact would be overwhelming. That's how big it is.
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  Speaker 3: You know. We can ignore the Knicks, and the city
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  Speaker 3: is good at ignoring the Nicks when they're terrible, But
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  Speaker 3: when they are a factor, when they are a team
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  Speaker 3: or a playoff contender, they have a grip on the
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  Speaker 3: city that is utterly enormous, as big as anything the
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  Speaker 3: Yankees have, as big as anything the Giants have. And
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  Speaker 3: when you start in New York, you start Yankees Giants
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  Speaker 3: and work your way down from there. But when the
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  Speaker 3: Knicks are good, nothing's bigger.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Mike Taylor from Rockland County, first time, long time, I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 4: do you think Jalen. I'm wondering, do you think Jalen
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  Speaker 4: Brunson is already on the Mount Rushmore of New York Knicks.
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  Speaker 2: Always going to tear your head off of Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: He is not. Okay, if you're going to compare him
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  Speaker 3: to Willis Reid, or compare him to Walt Frazier, or
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  Speaker 3: compare him to the legendary guys who won championships here,
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  Speaker 3: he's not. He is not. That would be unfair to
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  Speaker 3: do that. He has absolutely taken the town by storm.
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  Speaker 3: He is exceedingly popular. The Knicks are an extremely hot ticket.
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  Speaker 3: See the Knicks is see the Garden when the Knicks
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  Speaker 3: are good is as trendy as New York City can be.
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  Speaker 3: Being seen there for the average guy. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of diehard Nick fans, and there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of celebrity diehard Nick fans. They're really good Nick fans.
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  Speaker 3: They are you know, cham Is good. I know Chalom,
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  Speaker 3: he's good. He's a good Knick fan. Okay. The guys
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  Speaker 3: who go there and go to all the games, they're
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  Speaker 3: good Knick fans. They care about the Knicks. So they're
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  Speaker 3: not front runners or anything, but the grip that this
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  Speaker 3: the Knicks have on the entire city, but especially the Manhattan.
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  Speaker 3: Pot is unbelievable. It is overwhelming. And listen, the only
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  Speaker 3: reason other people don't go is they can't afford it.
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  Speaker 3: The tickets are unbelievably expensive for the Knicks.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy. Yep. What do we do with Mike Brown here?
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  Speaker 1: If he doesn't make it to the Eastern Conference finals, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: he'd be fired.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: See, I think this is makeover time for the Knicks.
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  Speaker 3: I think that if they don't win it, win it,
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  Speaker 3: and I'll pull back if they If they make the
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  Speaker 3: finals and loses in six games or something, right and
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  Speaker 3: put a decent showing it in the finals, Okay, I
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  Speaker 3: think they could run it back. But barring that, I
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  Speaker 3: think anything short of that, and especially not making the finals,
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  Speaker 3: let's put it that way, beating getting beatn East, they
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  Speaker 3: get beating East. I think his job this is absolutely
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  Speaker 3: on the line, and I think there's a very good
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  Speaker 3: chance they will try to completely make over the team.
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  Speaker 5: And I I mean Giannis, hmm, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, fire Mike Brown if they get If they don't
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  Speaker 1: get to the Eastern Conference, I'm with.
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  Speaker 2: You on that.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, when Brown took the job, he understood
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  Speaker 5: the deal he was He was told we think you
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  Speaker 5: can take us to the next wrong understand, that's what
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  Speaker 5: you were asking you to do.
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  Speaker 3: Anything short of that will will be seen as you're
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  Speaker 3: failing to do your job. I'm sure that's what they
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  Speaker 3: told them.
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  Speaker 6: All right, Mike, I'm looking at this sort of consensus
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  Speaker 6: on the Mount rushmore of Nicks, Right, So you.
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  Speaker 2: Got Walt Fraser, Willis Reed, Patrick Ewing Boom.
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  Speaker 6: You got to put those up there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the fourth one is up for grabs. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how much. There's no way you're going to convince Jal.
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  Speaker 3: Or Jal. I love the Villainova teams. Jay Writ's a
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  Speaker 3: good friend, has been forever. I know those teams very much,
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  Speaker 3: very well. I was around those teams. The bottom line is,
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  Speaker 3: I have great respect for what Bunson's accomplished, But to
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  Speaker 3: put him with the guys who want championships here, to
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  Speaker 3: put him with that team, and that team is seen
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  Speaker 3: as okay, as seen as a unit. They are not
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  Speaker 3: seen as just Read and Fraser. They are seen as
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  Speaker 3: Reed and Fraser and de Busher and Bradley and dip
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  Speaker 3: Bonnet and Red Holtzman and the Minute Men. They are canonized,
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  Speaker 3: they are deified, and until you do what they did.
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  Speaker 3: You will not in any way join them up there.
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  Speaker 2: We have a caller.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go out to mikey a who is in Westchester today.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Yego, haad, you're on with the great Mike FRANCESSA.
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  Speaker 7: How you doing, Mike, Mike Long Island.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 7: I got a question. I'm arguing with my buddy Taylor.
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  Speaker 7: He says the Yankees are retiring too many numbers. I
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  Speaker 7: want to get your thoughts on that. And with a
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  Speaker 7: quick follow up of who gets a better ovation at
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  Speaker 7: Yankee Stadium, Bernie Williams or Paul O'Neill.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, uh Bernie Williams. The amazing thing is how
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  Speaker 3: big Mattingly still is. Mattingly's is so big, it's as
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  Speaker 3: big as Geeta's. So Manningly is revered. I mean, he's beloved.
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  Speaker 3: People don't understand how popular Mattingly is. I've been in
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  Speaker 3: places with matting Lee and it's amazing how popular he is. Incredibly,
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  Speaker 3: he is worshiped. He really is. Nothing's mantal but and
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  Speaker 3: Geeta is enormous. But you have no idea how big
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  Speaker 3: Manningly is. But on those two, listen, they have great
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  Speaker 3: respect for Paul O'Neill. They love Poul O'Neill, but Bernie,
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  Speaker 3: I would say, is more popular. As far as the numbers,
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  Speaker 3: whoever's arguing that they have retired too many numbers has
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  Speaker 3: listened to me for a long time because I only
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  Speaker 3: hire numbers for immortal players. Okay, if you're Ricky Jackson,
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  Speaker 3: you'll never get your number retired here, okay, never, okay never, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I can go down the list. When I was a kid, three, four,
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  Speaker 3: and five were retired.
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  Speaker 5: That was it.
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  Speaker 3: Then came Anne obviously four. Okay, go down the list.
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  Speaker 3: Mariano Jeeta deserve it in every way. The other things
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  Speaker 3: are nothing more than marketing and an ability to have
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  Speaker 3: days for the fans. That's all it is. It is
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  Speaker 3: utter nonsense, and they have completely ruined the idea of
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  Speaker 3: retired numbers by retiring so many numbers. It's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you and Taylor, how do you feel? I mean
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  Speaker 2: he feels good?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel so good, Mike, because I've been arguing
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  Speaker 4: this with Cci Sabbathi and Mikey's like, he's a great
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  Speaker 4: Yankee and I'm saying I'm not saying he's not a
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  Speaker 4: great Yankee. Can't retire his number.
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  Speaker 3: If I was, if I were in charge of retired numbers,
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  Speaker 3: I was oous obviously, three, four, five, seven, don't have
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  Speaker 3: anything to discuss. Eight, absolutely, sixteen, absolutely Thurman because of
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  Speaker 3: the tragic death of the captain.
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  Speaker 5: Fifty.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Mariano Jeter absolutely. Other than that, everybody else can
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  Speaker 3: wait in line.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: C C.
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  Speaker 2: Sabbathia joining us tomorrow on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Want to do with Sabathia, I would know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you, Mike, I agree, I led against it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, listen if you if you're not a Hall of Famer, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not retiring your number.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I'd be perfectly fine with you being the
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  Speaker 1: guy in charge of whose number gets retired and who's
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  Speaker 1: does it.
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  Speaker 2: I would should that should be you?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you had to play almost every bit of Now
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to play every bit, but you had to
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  Speaker 3: play basically eighty to ninety per cent of your career
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  Speaker 3: with the Yankees to get your number retitle.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, yeah, I love it. This is so good, Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: You're good with him deciding who gets in and who doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, this is what.
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  Speaker 3: If the Yankees wear more than the uniforms they wear now.
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  Speaker 3: I will be so embarrassed because listen, the Yankees continue
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  Speaker 3: to chip away at everything that has always made them
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  Speaker 3: the Yankees. Okay, stop, stop, don't put any signage on
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  Speaker 3: the uniforms, and don't ever put names on the uniforms,
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  Speaker 3: and don't change the uniforms. One on the road, one
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  Speaker 3: at home, not forty two uniforms that look like World
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  Speaker 3: Softball League teams. Okay, I mean or Joe's auto garage.
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  Speaker 3: You know, give me a break. These uniforms are embarrassing,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what's made the Yankees the Yankees. To me,
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  Speaker 3: there are two great uniforms in baseball, the Yankees and
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  Speaker 3: the Dodgers' home uniform.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is what I was just about
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  Speaker 4: to say, Like, these are the problems that Yankee fans have,
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  Speaker 4: great problems to have.
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  Speaker 3: You look across town when you're going, well, let's be honest, listen,
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  Speaker 3: power pitching, power hitting, When the Yankees have that, they're
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  Speaker 3: the Yankees right now. They have power pitching, they have
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  Speaker 3: power hitting. When they're that, they're good. Now. They have
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  Speaker 3: to remember that once in a while, when you get
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  Speaker 3: not Toby, you gotta perform. Okay, that has stopped happening.
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  Speaker 3: They have to win in a World Series. Do you
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  Speaker 3: know how different the Yankees would be right now if
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  Speaker 3: they hadn't won it on nine? That on nine is
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  Speaker 3: so big it changed careers. Catherin wouldn't be here, managers
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't be here, players wouldn't have the same impact everything
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  Speaker 3: that it saved them winning that World Series. Because let's
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  Speaker 3: be honest, they blew a couple of World Series along
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  Speaker 3: the way in the early two thousands, and they haven't
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  Speaker 3: won in a long long time. The Yankees need to
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  Speaker 3: win a World Series. But it's not gonna be like
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  Speaker 3: the Mets, which right now is a joke. What's gonna
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  Speaker 3: happen now in New York is this? Unless the Mets
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  Speaker 3: do something radical, you are gonna have an August Day.
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  Speaker 3: Here's an August Day this year forty six thousand, in
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  Speaker 3: an afternoon game against the Blue Jays for the Yankees
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  Speaker 3: and archery practice at City Fielder.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take listeners behind the scenes here. Taylor was
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  Speaker 1: using that Yankee stuff as a transition to ask about
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  Speaker 1: the crosstown team, the New York Medden, whether or not,
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  Speaker 1: but Mike didn't let him because we're talking Yankees and
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: Mike wants to cut you off. He cut you off
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  Speaker 1: because he's the greatest to ever do this. Does Mendoza
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  Speaker 1: make it the year.
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  Speaker 3: Here, Mike, he wouldn't have made the weekend if it
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  Speaker 3: were me. And they needed to make a change, and
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: they got This is almost a Kansas City Chief situation.
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  Speaker 3: They got a great guy, a great manager. I think
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: the best management baseball, without any question is Frank ConA.
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  Speaker 3: It's not even close. The rest fall behind that. Colora
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  Speaker 3: is a tremendous manager. He is a gifted, generational manager.
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  Speaker 3: All right. The Phillies try to hire him already, they'll
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  Speaker 3: probably try to go back and hire him again. The
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  Speaker 3: Mets should have already made their move on Cora. If
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: you didn't want to come till for a month, or
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: he didn't want to come till next year, they still
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  Speaker 3: should have locked them up and then put an inter
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  Speaker 3: him in. I have nothing against Mendoza. Everyone says he's
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: a nice man. I don't know him very well, and
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  Speaker 3: I would say this, he right now doesn't have any
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  Speaker 3: answers And you can't dump the entire team. You'd like to,
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  Speaker 3: but you can't, so that's why you make a change there.
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  Speaker 3: But I wouldn't just make a change there. I would
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  Speaker 3: also make a change in personnel because the last year
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  Speaker 3: they were so proud of the fact that they really
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  Speaker 3: took their attendance from like eighteenth to fourth or eighteenth
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  Speaker 3: to third, whatever it finished up, and they were very
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  Speaker 3: proud of that, and the big part of that was
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  Speaker 3: obviously Soto. But they played terribly and this manager is
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  Speaker 3: thirty five games under since late last season. It's not
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  Speaker 3: just this year, it's last year too, and he's had
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  Speaker 3: bad listen Planco hasn't played. Lindor's out probably going to
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  Speaker 3: be two months. Soto got hurt. We understand all this.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of guys haven't performed, but shit hasn't been yet.
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  Speaker 3: Although I think you'll be fine. The bottom line is
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  Speaker 3: you have to be reactionary. When you are a cone
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  Speaker 3: with deep pockets, you have to be reactionary. Sometimes the
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  Speaker 3: team puts you in a spot where you have to react.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that they haven't reacted showed that they don't
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  Speaker 3: have a clue of what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, you've been covering the NFL draft for a LAUNI forever,
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  Speaker 1: really uh, And we just had mel Kuiper junior on
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  Speaker 1: and we were marveling and Melon.
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  Speaker 3: I used to I used to give Mel a real
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  Speaker 3: hot time in the beginning, in the early years, and
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  Speaker 3: I know it bothered him. But let me say this,
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  Speaker 3: Mel deserves an incredible amount of credit because he created
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  Speaker 3: a cottage industry for so many people, so many people
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  Speaker 3: now make their living. They should all put a plaque
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  Speaker 3: up to Mel because he created that whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a trailblazer.
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  Speaker 1: But and so you know, I was telling Mel that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you see eight hundred thousand plus people showing
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: up to an NFL draft. Yeah, and Mel saw it
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  Speaker 1: before anyone else. It's not surprising to Mel. I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 1: is it surprising to you, Mike?
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  Speaker 3: They've done the end the The NFL is great at marketing.
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  Speaker 3: Let's be honest. There are those are the greediest humans
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  Speaker 3: who have ever crossed the planet. Okay, but they are
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  Speaker 3: great at marketing. And the fact that they can turn
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  Speaker 3: what is really a nonsports event into a cultural event
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  Speaker 3: of enormous size across many channels and drawing hundreds and
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of people who are so excited to
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  Speaker 3: be there. Okay, it is remarkable how well they've marketed that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think anything in our lifetime has been marketed
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  Speaker 3: as well as the NFL.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: Mike, what do you think about the NCAA expanding the
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  Speaker 4: tournament to I believe seventy sixteen?
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  Speaker 3: Let me he hates like, throw up over it? Okay, yes, okay,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: you know why it happens and how happens. For one reason,
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  Speaker 3: the NCAA has nothing to do anymore. The NCAA has
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  Speaker 3: no power anymore, and the only thing they generate income
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  Speaker 3: on is championships. And that's the biggie. This is the
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  Speaker 3: one that produces a fortune. And that's why more teams
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: means more games, which means more money. And that's what
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: they are controlling, and that's why they are adding it.
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  Speaker 3: There is not a reason in the world, not a
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  Speaker 3: reason in the world, why that should be more than
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  Speaker 3: a sixty fourteen tournament.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Francesa is with us A micd Up check out
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  Speaker 1: his podcast wherever you get your podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Just back to the draft for a second. What do
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: you make of Harbaugh's first draft as a Giants head coach.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, I always pick a player that I really like.
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  Speaker 3: Now I picked a player this year that so many
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: people jumped on the bandwagon. I was almost like didn't
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: want to be there, and that was Caleb down. I
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: would have liked to see him, and I understand why
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  Speaker 3: the Giants didn't get him. I do because you have
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  Speaker 3: to first decide how are you gonna use him? Are
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: you gonna play him as a safety? Are you gonna
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: bring him to the line of scrimmagey, You're to give
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  Speaker 3: him multipurpose. You're going to turn him into Polomono, You're
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: going to turn him into Ed Reed? What are you
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  Speaker 3: gonna turn him into? So there's a lot of different
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  Speaker 3: ways to use him. He's going to be a great player.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any questions. The fact they didn't
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  Speaker 3: think the first player would drop into their lap. They
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  Speaker 3: never thought he would make it five and he did.
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  Speaker 3: He's a very talented individual. Now he's not a finished
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  Speaker 3: product by any stretch, but he's a very talented individual.
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  Speaker 3: And then getting a big lineman, I think anything they
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: can do to protect that. And let me say this,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: if people don't see this, the Giants are going to
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: run the football. Pubo wants to run the football. He's
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: got a full back. He brings a fullback in and
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: pays some good money. He wants a big offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a quarterback that can run. He's got some
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  Speaker 3: running backs he can use. Although he doesn't have a
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  Speaker 3: great running back, He's got solid running backs. And I
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  Speaker 3: love Skataboo. I just hope he can stay healthy. I
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: don't know if he can, but he's a crazy man.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I hope he can stay healthy. They are going to
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: run the football. They are going to play a tight
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: end in the slot on a lot of plays. They
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: are going to be a power team. But here's the
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: most important thing. The Giant now with Harbor, are now
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: back to being a real football organization for the first
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: time in over a decade. And if you know the
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Giants and you've been around the Giants and you understand
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: the Giants and I do, that is such a welcome thing.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: They now have a real, died in the world, honest
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: to goodness football leader running the franchise in every way.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: So the Giants are back. I think they will be
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: back from day one. I think they will fight for
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: the playoffs this year. I think the Giants under Harble
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: are back. If they had not hired him, I would
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: have thought it was the greatest mistake they could have
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: ever made, and maybe their last opportunity to get out
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: of this abyss that they've been in. I think they
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: are now back to being a legitimate football team again.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: Maybe they expand the NFL playoffs more teams than that thing.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I can tell you who's not back, Mike, the Jets.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: They're never back, and so I am. But I like
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the draft, Mike.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: They had a good draft, I know.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I know. I hate when I think that, though, you
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: They brought in really good players. Now the question is
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: do they know what to do with them? You know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: having Right there at least gives me a sentilla of
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: hope because last year they were probably as mixed up
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: and confused the coaching staff as I've ever seen. Okay,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: they had no idea what they were doing, and I
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: still don't know that they know what they're doing. But
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I think Right knows what he's doing from an offensive standpoint,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: and they now have weapons. I don't like either quarterback
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: that they're thinking about playing with, so that's obviously an issue.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: But they have big offensive linemen, they have an infrastructure there,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: they have a running back, they have now two tight
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: ends and the kid from Oregon is an unique talent
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: if you get if you know how to use them properly.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I like the players they brought in from Indiana. They
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: brought in, they brought in guys were all from top
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: five programs. Their first four picks were all top five
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: programs last year, including two who played for Indiana. I
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: like what they did. I thought they had a very
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: very good draft. But listen, a lot of bad teams
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: have good drafts and then screw it up. So this
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: is only stage one. They've got to prove now that
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: they can put one foot in front of the other.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: We don't know that they can do that yet, Mike.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: We can't do an nd season tournament with the NFL
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: for obvious reasons. But would you be in favor of
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: the NFL recognizing a winner of the draft. Maybe if
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: mel kiper picks.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I listen, the idea of anybody acting like they know
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: who wins the draft right after the draft is maybe
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: the dumbest premise in the history of sports. Okay, you
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: don't know for three years whether you had a good
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: draft or not. Okay, you're going to give back draft
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: first of all, as many all pros and Pro bo
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: players are picked in the third round as picked in
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: the first round. So the idea that you know right away,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: it's nonsense. It's complete, utter nonsense. You don't know there
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: are no givens. Yes, are there players who are going
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to make it. Of course you know that there's always
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: going to be a handful of them, and they're usually
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: go in the first three picks. But the point is
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: you don't know about it. The idea grades after draft
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: is the dumbest premise, and everybody does it, but it's
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the dumbest thing in the world. Nobody know what they're
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: going what it should be as a grade on how
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: you drafted, Okay, not how your team is going the
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: players you brought in are going to do, because there's
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: no way of knowing that. It takes three years to
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: really get a good handle on a draft.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Yep, last question, miked up wherever you get your podcast,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the great Mike Francessa is with us.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Is there anything Lebron James could do?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Mike the rest of the way here where you would
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: then say to yourself, you know what, Lebron had a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: better career than Michael Jordan.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: No, first of all, this is a silly thing too.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: For this reason, they are such utterly different players. They
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: have always been utterly different players. Here is what Lebron
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: has done. He has stayed better for longer than Jordan did,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the idea that he can still play his Game three
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: and just coming off knee surgery. So I've been watching everything,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: which I do anyway, but I mean i've been. I
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: watched that game and I was utterly amazed that he
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: could play forty five minutes and play the way he did.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I knew he'd have nothing in Game four because he
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: was exhausted after Game three. You get all these stands up.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: He is, without question, a top three five whatever you
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: want to talk about player of all time. But his
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: greatest strength is what he brings to a team. Also,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: his game is nuanced. The best thing he does is pass.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: He is not what Jordan was. Jordan is a legitimate
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: two guard. He was a take the last shot, be
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: the high scorer, leads the team in shots every single night,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: be that volume player, be fearless, and be in every
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: way a winner. That's what Jordan was. Lebron James is
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: a player without a position. He can play the one,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: he could play the two, can play the three, he
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: can play the four. The bottom line is Lebron James
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: is a lot more like what Magic Johnson than he
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: is like Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is much more like
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant than he is like Lebron James. They are
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: very different players. But to take away Lebron's greatness is ridiculous.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: He is, without question, without question, one of the greatest
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: players in the history of the NBA. And if anyone
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: argues that they're.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: This is just stupid, right Mike, you are not stupid.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: You are smart.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: You're the Pope, and you should be deciding which Yankee
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: have their numbers retired at Yankees too.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: It's too late for that because they're already up there
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: like a bingo card.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You could take them down. You can take it down, Mike.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: We'll let you take them down.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, no, you can't take them down. You can't do
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: that to the guys. But you know what, I like
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: the days where it was just, you know, a couple
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: of numbers. I think in every town there should only
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: be a couple of numbers retired, and the Yankees has
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: had more than anybody else, without question. And I'm telling
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you protect the uniforms. If the Yankees go that way
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and they're talking now about extra uniforms on the road,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Oh please don't. Hey. They do everything they can to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: tchip away at what makes the Yankees the Yankees. That's
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: what's said.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, miked up wherever you get your podcast, Mike Francesa.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, as zoeys. The fact that you
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: carve out any sort of time for us is amazing.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you for doing.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Thank you guys, take care byde All right, thank.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: You, Mike. That was quick. Uh let's just keep it
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: here for a second. Uh you listen.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: The audience has no idea how badly is He wanted
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to argue with Mike about.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Jordan and Lebron. He had fifteen follow ups in.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: The group text year and I said, is he If
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you ruin this, I am going to kill you.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: I wasn't gonna touch it, but I did have to
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: go all caps on some of my chat discussions because
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: it was driving me nuts.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And I responded with the ma tumbo finger emoji.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: He agreed with Taylor on everything everything.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: Yes, by the way, what do we think about this?
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: Not retired numbers but giving a number a vacation they
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: go up there for five ten years, bring it on
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: back down. Now we can use that number again.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So the jersey gets a cup of coffee, is what
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: you're saying.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just a little Jersey vacation.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I think that's I.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Don't hate this.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I don't hate you doing there. Yes, I'm good with that.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, Bernie, we're gonna put your number up there,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and then it's coming down and too you.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: We're gonna need it in a couple of maybe in
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: a decade, two years or whatever, but it'll be it'll
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: be celebrated for a while.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Except for mix No no, no, no.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: Some of them stay up there for good, the retired jerseys,
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: and then there were vacations.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Two, three, four five, They stay up there forever.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, how about this, It gets retired until that person
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: passes m I don't like that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: I don't like that because then I got to wear
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: a dead person's number forever.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, it feels like you're doing it,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like do it when they're alive.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh yeah, let's let's let do it
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: behind their backs.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, they can't fight it. There's nothing they could do.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, the poor family, they're.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Gonna go to their deathbed thinking Wow, I was an
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: all time great, and then as soon as they died, Nope,
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: you were just on vacation.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Get that number down.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Qualification.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: You also got the mutumbo emoji.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: I like Mikey throwing that out because we have a
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: we have a theory here, no bad idea. So as
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: much as we might as much as we might not
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: have liked that idea, we have to encourage Mikey to
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: keep shooting because we're gonna need it in the future.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to build on something. I'm trying to I'm
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: trying to figure it out. We're trying to get the
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: ball rolling.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: There's only been one bad idea here in the three
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: of the show, and it's not even an idea, it's
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: an opinion.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: It's Taylor's opinion of not trading schemes for tangent. Bruco
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: liked it. I didn't know what other bad idea to
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: come up with.