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Ep. 704: October Cold Fronts & Scrapes (Hunting Acorns, Water Patterns, RFR. 10.11.23) · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunt's rut Fresh Radio, bringing you
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  Speaker 1: the latest reports from the whitetail woods, presented by First Light,
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  Speaker 1: First Light Go farther, stay longer, and now your hosts
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  Speaker 1: Case Smith and Tyler Jones.
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  Speaker 2: This is Retfresh Radio. Y'all, I'm your host k C.
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  Speaker 2: Smith and you probably noticed, but a cold front rolled
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  Speaker 2: through last week.
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  Speaker 3: It was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of big deer went down and there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of positive reports. However, acorns or acorns, depending on
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  Speaker 2: where you're at in the country you're starting to fall,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have a positive or negative impact on your hunt.
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  Speaker 2: This is Retfresh.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to rutfresh Radio. Everyone, brought to you by first
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  Speaker 2: Light Gear. I'm your host k C.
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  Speaker 3: Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Jones is in the building, and Mark Kenyon is
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  Speaker 2: on the phone.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently the Boss is here. We're not sure which one
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  Speaker 3: that is.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you said the King is in the building. I
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  Speaker 4: said that earlier. You said I'm in the building, so
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  Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean a number of whitetail bucks have gone
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  Speaker 2: down so far. This yeah, yeah, congrats to all who
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  Speaker 2: have participated and said thing. One of these people on
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  Speaker 2: the phone right now or on the podcast has shot
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  Speaker 2: more whitetail Bucks than the other two. So doing what
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  Speaker 2: we do, I think that would like kind of point
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  Speaker 2: to Kingship, wouldn't it?
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  Speaker 3: How does? How does it work?
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  Speaker 5: Exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Mark way In?
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  Speaker 5: So I'm totally lost right now.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not surprised at all.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like this is like when you've got a
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  Speaker 6: get together with like all your friends, and your friends
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  Speaker 6: all have kids, and then if the kids are of
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  Speaker 6: a certain age, they can go all play in the
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  Speaker 6: other room, and so you most just let the kids
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  Speaker 6: play on their own indo of the room, But every
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  Speaker 6: once in.
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  Speaker 5: A while you realize, like, oh, it's weirdly quiet over there.
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  Speaker 5: I need to go and peek my head in that.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I've been doing with the with Wired Hunt's
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  Speaker 5: Fresh Radio.
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  Speaker 6: I let the kids go play in the room for
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  Speaker 6: a while, but this because like, I need to get
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  Speaker 6: my head back here and see what the heck Tyler
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  Speaker 6: and Casey are doing.
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  Speaker 5: And now that I've done that, I.
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  Speaker 6: Realized that I had ample cause to be concerned.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever picked your head in the door and
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  Speaker 2: then realize one of those kids is big and then
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  Speaker 2: they like wedge your head in between the door and
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  Speaker 2: the doorframe with the door and smash it a few times.
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  Speaker 5: That's yet to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just has been in the realm of possibility marks.
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  Speaker 5: In the cars.
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  Speaker 6: But I think I think what you're trying to say
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  Speaker 6: is that Tyler's killed more deer.
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  Speaker 5: Than me this year, therefore he should.
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  Speaker 7: Be the king of wired hunt.
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  Speaker 8: Is that what?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he really won that position. But no,
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  Speaker 3: you can maintain it, Mark or like you have it.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, lots of good things have been going on. Once
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  Speaker 2: we get make it past our I'm still middle school Banner.
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  Speaker 9: But uh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been doing some hunting, Hullmark apparently a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and I guess that's what these shows are
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  Speaker 6: supposed to be about, right sometimes from the field. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: and yeah, I've been out seven of the last eight
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  Speaker 6: days here in Michigan, and uh yeah, I have been
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  Speaker 6: seeing a lot, have been hunting myself and then also
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  Speaker 6: mentoring a couple of new hunters for four of those days.
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  Speaker 6: So yes, I've I've had some interesting, some interesting observations.
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  Speaker 5: I can share whatever you want me to share.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know how your mentor hunters did well.
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  Speaker 6: We had a fun hunt. Unfortunately nobody killed a deer.
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  Speaker 6: They were trying to kill their first deer with bo
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  Speaker 6: both of them so didn't actually feel tagged. But they
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  Speaker 6: both had their closest call ever with the deer. So
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  Speaker 6: they both, you know, I think, had a really cool experience.
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  Speaker 6: They both learned a lot, and both came.
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  Speaker 2: Or just like from being in the woods, hopefully lit
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  Speaker 2: it and both now we're poking fun. But I bet
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  Speaker 2: they were very appreciative to have you in the woods.
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  Speaker 2: If nothing else, you spent a lot of time in
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  Speaker 2: the woods, right, And are these kind of newer hunters?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so these are two guys were who were new,
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  Speaker 6: brand new hunters two years ago and I was actually
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  Speaker 6: with both of them when they killed their very first
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  Speaker 6: year ever. This was a field to fork program that
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  Speaker 6: we host over on the back forty and so I
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  Speaker 6: got to mentor both of them separately back in twenty one.
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  Speaker 6: Both killed the first year with a gun, and then
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  Speaker 6: the year and a half or two years since. I've
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  Speaker 6: continued to stay in touch with them and try to
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  Speaker 6: help them on their journey. And we went out together
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  Speaker 6: again last year, and then this year we came back
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  Speaker 6: to the Back forty and I was hopefully going to
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  Speaker 6: give them that final training opportunity and I was hoping
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  Speaker 6: we could get their first dear with the bowl now
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  Speaker 6: that they've started bowl hunting, but didn't quite come together,
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  Speaker 6: but man, it was.
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  Speaker 5: Close, as well as close as you can get.
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  Speaker 3: That's cool.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and if you're listening and you don't know what
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  Speaker 2: the Back forty is, there was a series on media
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  Speaker 2: that will link to in the show description that kind
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  Speaker 2: of chronicled a little bit of the land stuff there
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  Speaker 2: on the Back forty for two years.
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  Speaker 5: I think, right, Mark, Yeah, two years.
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  Speaker 2: And then now since then that property is being used
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  Speaker 2: for a lot of hunts, like what you're referring to.
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  Speaker 3: So pretty cool deal.
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  Speaker 2: I actually saw in your story that y'all were out
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  Speaker 2: there on the Back forty, and I.
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  Speaker 3: Was like, oh, that's cool. I kind of put it together.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I should have kind of remembered that, but
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  Speaker 2: you know when you said that, it was like, that's
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  Speaker 2: pretty and apparently looking pretty nice out there.
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  Speaker 5: Huh, Yeah, it really is. The habitat is looking great.
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  Speaker 6: That transformation that we started back like five years ago,
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  Speaker 6: has been continued now by the National Deer Association. So
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  Speaker 6: the volunteers have been doing a great job. It looks awesome.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it looks like a deer and wildlife paradise.
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  Speaker 6: Now what's interesting. And I'll just kind of jump right
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  Speaker 6: in here with a little bit an observation for you
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  Speaker 6: guys that might be useful for the people. You know,
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  Speaker 6: we had all sorts of beautiful secluded green food plots
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  Speaker 6: tucked in the middle of switch grass like this. The
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  Speaker 6: whole farm is now like really thick prairie and switch
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  Speaker 6: grass like incredible cover everywhere. There's nothing that's not great
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  Speaker 6: cover now except for these tucked away food plots, which
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  Speaker 6: are then tight next to timber bedding too. So I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you couldn't ask for a better early season setup. And
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  Speaker 6: there's as far as we know, has not been anyone
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  Speaker 6: in there in three weeks. But despite that, almost nothing
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  Speaker 6: was keying in on the green food plots. Like we
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  Speaker 6: saw very very very little deer activity in the food plots,
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  Speaker 6: and the little bit that we did see was very
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  Speaker 6: very late, like the last couple minutes of daylight.
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  Speaker 5: What we did see, there's one camera that the NBA
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  Speaker 5: has out there and that camera was on.
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  Speaker 6: A red oak tree and they were deer hammering the
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  Speaker 6: red oak acorns, and so that was kind of interesting
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  Speaker 6: to see that they're really key than on those acorns.
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  Speaker 6: And that's something that I've seen on my other spots
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  Speaker 6: that I personally hunt. I've got cameras on a couple
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  Speaker 6: of spots like that, and they can observe a couple
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  Speaker 6: spots like that, and same thing like my cameras that
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  Speaker 6: are on green plots. Not a whole lot of activity
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  Speaker 6: spots with acorns, a lot of deer.
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  Speaker 5: So that's not a huge surprise.
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  Speaker 6: Right at this time of the year, that's pretty common,
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  Speaker 6: but it's very exaggerated. I feel like right now, I
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  Speaker 6: think most people that you guys have talked to over
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  Speaker 6: the last couple of weeks and that I have all
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  Speaker 6: talked about the bumper crop of acorns across big parts
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  Speaker 6: of the country. And I think that's the case, Like
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  Speaker 6: there are a lot of acorns out there and deer
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  Speaker 6: are really getting after them. So you know, that's been
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  Speaker 6: something that I've actually last night I tried to key
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  Speaker 6: in on that very thing.
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  Speaker 5: I said, all right, you know, it's I've got.
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  Speaker 6: Plots like a hunt but I'm going to dive into
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  Speaker 6: the timber right next to where my target buck lives,
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  Speaker 6: and there's an oak flat in there that historically there's
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  Speaker 6: been a lot deer and and I thought I'd give
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  Speaker 6: it a swing in there and count on him king
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  Speaker 6: in on those acorns. I'd actually seen two stemi mature
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  Speaker 6: bucks doing that on the second day of the hunting
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  Speaker 6: season here in Michigan from afar.
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  Speaker 5: I could see them working the edge of these oaks.
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  Speaker 6: So so that's something I've been trying to do myself.
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  Speaker 4: So you've been hunting quite a bit, which I didn't
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  Speaker 4: know that you still had that passion as much as
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  Speaker 4: you troutfish. What have you been seeing besides that as
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  Speaker 4: far as actual like bucks, you know, like, what's the
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  Speaker 4: what's the report there in Michigan?
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  Speaker 6: Well, a lot of buck activity despite you know, last
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  Speaker 6: week around this time, you know, you had that hot
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  Speaker 6: weather across a lot of country, and I took a
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  Speaker 6: couple of hunts on those hot days in sort of
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  Speaker 6: observation type sets and ended up still seeing you know,
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  Speaker 6: good activity.
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  Speaker 5: I can't remember if we talked.
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  Speaker 6: I guess well I wasn't on last week's episode, but
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  Speaker 6: the night before the opener in Michigan, I observed my
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  Speaker 6: target buck moving in daylight when I was glassing from
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  Speaker 6: a hilltop, you know, by forty five mins for dark.
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  Speaker 6: And then two days later, like I mentioned, I was
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  Speaker 6: out again in an observation stand safer location because of
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  Speaker 6: that hot weather, but still in the game kind of set,
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  Speaker 6: and saw a three year old and a three maybe
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  Speaker 6: four year old buck both moving that last half hour
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  Speaker 6: aro on the oaks and then on the.
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  Speaker 5: Back forty hunt.
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  Speaker 6: I was just talking about, you know, late late movement
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  Speaker 6: despite that cold front.
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  Speaker 5: I was surprised by that.
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  Speaker 6: With this front that just moved through, you know over
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  Speaker 6: the weekend, lots and lots of big deer getting.
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  Speaker 5: Shot all over the place. So I thought, you know.
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  Speaker 6: In this terrific habitat in the back for it, we'd
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  Speaker 6: be seeing a lot of early movement, and it just
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  Speaker 6: didn't happen for us. But I don't know to what
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  Speaker 6: I said, is like, were they all in the timber
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  Speaker 6: on acorns. We don't have big timber and a bunch
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  Speaker 6: of acorns in the back forty so that could have
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  Speaker 6: been happening elsewhere. But we did see a mature buck
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  Speaker 6: two nights in a row. One of the guys had
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  Speaker 6: it come across in front of him at thirty six yards.
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  Speaker 6: It was just too long shot for him to feel comfortable.
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  Speaker 6: So he did see, you know, a good buck moving
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  Speaker 6: in daylight. And then last night we saw that same
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  Speaker 6: good buck the last like sixty seconds of daylight cruising
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  Speaker 6: out of range. So that's a long winded way of saying,
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  Speaker 6: you know, both on the warm days and on the
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  Speaker 6: great cool, cold other days, I have been seeing decent
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  Speaker 6: bucks moving that last.
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  Speaker 5: Hour of daylight still.
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  Speaker 6: And one last thing in my long rambling observation here,
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  Speaker 6: I just told this whole thing about how it seems
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  Speaker 6: like the deer king on acorns and not king on
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  Speaker 6: the green. Right, So I'm going to give folks a
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  Speaker 6: little tea. He's a little update on my own personal
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  Speaker 6: saga story. So last night I'm thinking I'm getting smart.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, forget these plots. They're king on
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  Speaker 6: the acorns. I'm going to go do that thing I
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  Speaker 6: just told you right, which is I'm going to punch
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  Speaker 6: into this transition area next to bedding where there should
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  Speaker 6: be acorns. I gonna hunt that spot. So I did
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  Speaker 6: that last night. Well, I get a update on my
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  Speaker 6: cell phone camera overnight like this.
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  Speaker 5: This would be when would have been.
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  Speaker 3: They went on like twenty four hour update.
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  Speaker 5: You do it so it sends right now.
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  Speaker 6: This one sends at nine to fifteen at night, so
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  Speaker 6: I get sent after dark, and then I get one
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  Speaker 6: cent at like four fifteen in the morning. I have
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  Speaker 6: it set on twice, but it's both overnight. I'm not
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  Speaker 6: sure why.
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  Speaker 3: That's got kind of a random spread there.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I take that back. That's how it is. The
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  Speaker 5: reason I get the two is that they're different cameras.
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  Speaker 6: So I've got some cameras and give me an update
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  Speaker 6: at nine fifteen and some cameras give me an update
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  Speaker 6: at four fifty.
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  Speaker 5: That's why this is.
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  Speaker 2: Not because those are both good spotlighting times of the
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  Speaker 2: day I didn't want.
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  Speaker 6: But what I'm trying to get at here is last
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  Speaker 6: night and laying in bed, and I get the pictures
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  Speaker 6: that showed like everything that happened over the last twenty
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  Speaker 6: four hours. And what showed you is that while I
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  Speaker 6: was sitting in the acorns one hundred and ninety yards away,
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  Speaker 6: the Y nine was on my green food plot on
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  Speaker 6: the other side of the bedding area in daylight.
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  Speaker 2: Hey yeah, that's cool, and I'm not This is actually
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  Speaker 2: not me making fun of you.
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  Speaker 3: Are you saying green or grain? When you say that
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  Speaker 3: green green? Okay? Gotcha to attune.
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  Speaker 6: To those little small and those those green plots have
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  Speaker 6: grains in them.
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  Speaker 5: As well as other things.
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  Speaker 6: So so the plots that I have been observing or
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  Speaker 6: have cameras on have been blends. All of my action
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  Speaker 6: in the back forty and the other spots of hunt
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  Speaker 6: have got some oats, some wheat, some clover, some brassicas,
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  Speaker 6: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: I hunted brassicas on actually on a piece of public
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  Speaker 2: you know, one of those things that the state plants
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  Speaker 2: a couple of days ago.
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  Speaker 3: Mark.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know said of eight is like a
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  Speaker 2: better ratio than fourteen of sixteen. But I'm on fourteen
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  Speaker 2: of sixteen right now. So you know, I too, have
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  Speaker 2: done a large amount of hunting. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it means.
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  Speaker 5: Anything to you know, but that's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: See, I'm tired, tell you the truth of the matter.
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  Speaker 3: Glad to be home. But you know, I uh hunted
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  Speaker 3: a just prince strictly brassica plaud It was.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like purple tops and icycle radish or dicon
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, and the deer were
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  Speaker 2: hammering those things. So that's why I was interested to
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  Speaker 2: hear that you were seeing, you know, a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of lack of movement on that stuff. But I was
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  Speaker 2: in an area that has no oak trees to speak of,
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  Speaker 2: So I wonder if that has a lot to do
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  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it. I think it probably does.
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  Speaker 6: But there's you know, like so many things, there's always
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  Speaker 6: exceptions to the rule, and these things change so fast.
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  Speaker 6: You know, as soon as I say acorns, they go
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  Speaker 6: to green, and then I'll be saying, let's go to green,
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  Speaker 6: and then they'll be on a corner who knows what.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, that's part of the fun of it,
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  Speaker 6: right as you make the best guess, the best prediction
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  Speaker 6: you can, but they keep you guessing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So the you mentioned that that bucket showed up with
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  Speaker 4: like a minute left in light the other day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you said cruising. Did you mean like rut cruising or
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  Speaker 4: just just walking around getting ready to go somewhere to feed.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, sorry, not rut cruising. He was just like moving
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  Speaker 6: on a mission. He was not feeding around. He was
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  Speaker 6: just on a steady gate, walking along the timber edge
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  Speaker 6: and actually was walking along the edge of the switch
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  Speaker 6: grass and the timber and then went into the timber
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  Speaker 6: and had no interest in the food plot that was
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  Speaker 6: just ten yards away from him.
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  Speaker 3: Got you okay, So things can change pretty quickly. Right now.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen a lot of guys that are starting to
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  Speaker 4: find some success. Right now, we've had a lot of
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the country that's been in coal fronts
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  Speaker 4: and that kind of thing. And every day right now,
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  Speaker 4: the days are getting shorter. You are a pretty smart guy.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, you mentioned something to me that made me
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  Speaker 4: feel really idiotic the other day.
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  Speaker 3: Can you can you speak to that a little bit?
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  Speaker 5: I didn't mean. I wasn't planning on publicly shaming you know.
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  Speaker 3: I need it. I need it. It's the only way
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  Speaker 3: to stay humble. Mark.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I've been I listened to every week of the
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: Rough Radio podcast because this thing's great.
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  Speaker 5: I thoroughly enjoy the updates.
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  Speaker 6: And a couple of different weeks I heard you talking,
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: you know, the guys.
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  Speaker 5: And Dick, So you know, is the moon impacting things?
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: Is the weather impacting things? Is the diurnal period impacting things?
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  Speaker 6: And like I heard that the first time, and I
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  Speaker 6: just thought, oh, he must have misspoke, And then I
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  Speaker 6: heard again last week. I'm like, I think Tyler is
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  Speaker 6: confusing diurnal with photo period. Yeah, and and so I
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: texted you to ask if that was the case, and
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: you're like, oh, yep, So what I think you been
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: referring to is photo period, which is the amount of
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: day in a twenty four hour period. And the photo
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: period is basically the thing that is tied to the
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: changes into stosterone levels and deer which changes at a
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: consistent rate throughout the year every year at the same time,
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: because that change in daylight is the same every year
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: throughout the year, and so that is what leads to
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: a generally consistent timing of peak breeding in most deer hears,
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: like outside of those funky places down south.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: So so that's what photo period is, and that's I
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: know what you were referring to.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's say, allegedly at the end of all that alleged.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Mark, it's funny, you love you love your constants, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: it's good as a deer hunter too, keen on that stuff.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: But it is those little weird things like that that
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: just make you go, hmmm, what if photo period does
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: mean that much? Like, why are they they're these little
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: side trips or whatever. But that's what makes it fun,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: because these things are not predictable. Ye, you know, you
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: just cannot just figure them out.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Yes, that is the truth. Yeah, you had a.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Question, They're toole. I was just gonna I was just
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: gonna say, if you knew what the diurnal period was.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't think diurnal period is a thing, Tyler.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: I think you made that up.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: No, it's not.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: Because diurnal diurnal nocturnal animals or animals that are most
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: active at nights. Diurnal describes an animal that's most active
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: during the day.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, and crepusculary is in the middle. Is that right?
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: Crepuscular would be most active at the edges. So crepuscular
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: would be animals like white tails that have peak peak
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: activity periods at the edges of daylight.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: So, uh, diurnal. There's a diurnal cycle, yes, yes, do
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: you know what it is?
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: I think it's the fact that like a diurnal cycle
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: would be something that happens like on a daily basis,
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: like a twenty four hour type cycle.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Look at you, you're smart. You're a smart guy. I'm
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: glad to know you.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Manly, I'm gonna take these acclades and I can get them.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, I give them to you. Man.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: We we're glad to have you back on, man, and
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: to just kind of share your story, and we're sure
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: gonna have you on several more times as much as
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: we can. Things get really busy from this point on
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: for all deer hunters and for you and us as well,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: So we'll try to try to make sure we stay
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: in touch on this stuff and get updates from you
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: from the field and that kind of thing going forward.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Man, Can I give you a prediction?
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I would love that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: So I'm gonna say over the next seven days, at
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: least in the areas that I've been looking at in forecast,
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: we've got pretty consistent weather pattern. It's kind of stagnating
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: now for the next two weeks at least, is what
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: I've seen in my neck.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Of the woods. So we had that really hot weather.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: We got that first big cold run. I think we
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: had a rush of activity. A lot of people killed
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: deer over the last three or four days. I think
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: it's gonna stagnate a little bit with that weather. It's
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: not gonna be bad, but we're not gonna get this
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: huge burst of new deer activity. I think what we're
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: gonna see is a steady increase right as photo period
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: would tell us, as that testosterone testosterone level rises over
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: the next week, we're going to continue seeing a little.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Bit more activity, a little more activity.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: As those bucks are slowly edging towards getting that pre
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: rut action going.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: So with that being.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: The case, I'm gonna give you a standard Midwest six
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: because let's go.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be decent.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be decent.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't expect things to be banging yet, but I
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: think it'll be decent.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: And if you're on a deer you certainly have an opportunity.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Man, y'all are on your way to be in Canada. Man,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: that's a that's a good prediction for sure. I'd probably
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: agree with you, you know, like the same. I've seen
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: our trail cameras. They're on forty eight hour updates, but
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: you know, just to one up you there. But they
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: they have shown a lot of increased movement in the
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: last few days. But then I hunted last night locally
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: and we saw hogs and that was it. What we
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: saw a couple of those briefly, but it was pretty
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: much just that. And then I my forty eight hour
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: period ended this morning, so I saw my trail cameras
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: this morning that there was no there was like no
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: deer movement overnight or this morning in daylight at all,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: which was weird because the last few days I've had
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I've had day move or deer movement over the last
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: few days quite like an increased amount and or about
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: the same but more daylight, you know. So anyway, it's
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: just I think you're spot on with that prediction that
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: things are starting to level out and become the new norm,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: and we need something different.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: To happen, I think, yep. So, but with this cold.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Front, you know, we had a lot of deer die
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: across the country and a lot of hunters that were
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: experiencing really good movement. So we're gonna, we're gonna, you know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: get a few of those guys on the phone right
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: now and chat with them and see if they have
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the same prediction.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Tyler. Who we got this week, Well, this week.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: We've got several guys from different places in the US.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: We've got Aaron war brittin there in Iowa. He's been
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: doing some hunting with some of his buddies that do
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: the hunting public stuff. We got Clay Nukelem in Arkansas,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Arkansas with a W at the end, Dakota Long he's
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: in Texas. He's a good friend of ours. And another
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: good friend of ours Drew Robbins down in Alabama. These
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: guys are gonna give us reports that are gonna hopefully
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: tin anywhere you're at in the US except maybe the northeast.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Maybe we'll hook you up next next week with that one.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Now on the phone, have got Aaron war Britain from
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: the hunting public, and you've been up in the Midwest
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: hunting all over the place Iowa, namely, how's that been
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: looking lately?
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Man? Real good?
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Since this cold front.
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: We've had a little a little bit different scenario this year,
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: which is not uncommon. You know, each year is a
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: little bit different, I feel like, and you always have
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: got to hunt situations based on whatever conditions you.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Have in the given moment. But this time.
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: Around, we were very very dry going into the season,
• 22:39
  Speaker 10: so hardly any water. All the intermittent creeks are dry.
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: The only places that deer could get water because I
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: mean it's been you know, almost months without any sizeable rain.
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: It's been pons er or permanent water like creeks or rivers,
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: but all the intermittent streams are dry. And what we noticed,
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: I mean, all the vegetation is dry, even there's not
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: much moisture in it. And at this point in the year,
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: the crops have dried down. Also, deer are living real,
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: real close to permanent water. That's been the big key
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: that we found, you know, even hunting in that real,
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: real hot weather during the first week of season, it
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: was like ninety degrees and then it fell off and
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: you know, dropped to thirty degrees in that recent cold front.
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: And since that cold front, the buck sign is just
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: ramped way up, Like there lots of fresh rubs, lots
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: and lots of fresh scrapes since that cold front came around.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: So we were just driving home from South Dakola this
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: past weekend and there's a lot of harvest happened, which
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: seems early to me. How has that drought affected the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: crops And do you think they're pulling stuff out earlier
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: than normal?
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: I think they are, but that's probably just based on
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: the lack of rainfall and the yields this year are
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: poor in a lot of areas from the drought. But yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: we're seeing the same thing. Crops are coming out for
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: whatever reason. Though we've seen decent acorn crop. You know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: it depends on.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: The area that you're at.
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: I was at one area the other day and there
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: was gobs and gobs of white oak and red oak
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: acorns on the ground and deer were smoking them. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: then I went thirty minutes down the road and there
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: was very few acorns and you know, a swath of
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: timber that we worked through, so it's it's hit or miss,
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: but there's definitely on acorns and that's where we've been
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: finding lots of bucks sign and lots of first straps
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: and stuff. Hadn't seen a lot of scraping activity until
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: this recent front, but been really really ramped up. Had
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: a nice buck come by working scrapes just two nights ago.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: So would you like, if you're looking into the next week,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: would you suggest checking scrapes out, maybe hanging cameras over them,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: or even hunting them on an afternoon that you get off.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Oh for sure.
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: I love hunting scrapes, especially during bo season, just because
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: it puts a deer on a spot you can set
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: up well with the you know, down wind of the scrape.
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: In a lot of situations, you can wait for the
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: deer to get there. You can, you know, it gives
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: you a really good high odds chance at killing a deer.
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: You can put yourself within twenty yards of them. You
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: can wait for the deer to get there and start
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: working the scrapes. You can come to full draw and
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: then wait for your opportunity. They don't work every time, obviously.
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: If you're just walking along the edge of a nag
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: field and you're finding ten to fifteen fresh scrapes there,
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: that's pretty good ways from any sort of secure bedding area.
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: I wouldn't fool with those. I'd put cameras over those.
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: But if you're finding scrapes back in the timber, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: on a secluded oak flat or something like that, especially
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: close to permanent water this year, I would be looking
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: at that pretty hard here in the next few days.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: If if you see a if you see a storm
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: come through and you're in one of those dry areas
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: right now, that that the deer using that water heavily,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: does that knock them off those water patterns? You feel like,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: are you more apt to go back to scrapes where
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: they might be freshening stuff up or or what do
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: you think?
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: A jury's still out on that one.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: I don't know. I'm kind of waiting for that to
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: happen and see. Yeah, because like I said at the
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: at the beginning, every year is a little bit different.
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: And I think just because it's been so dry for
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: so long right now, there's very little like succulent greed
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: and food sources other than natural brows because that stuff,
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: that stuff's got deep roots and it pulls moisture from from.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Lower than a lot of you know.
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: Grasses or even food plot crops. So I don't know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: I mean, everything is just so so dry that we've
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: noticed that that's where all the deer are concentrated at
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: is anywhere close to permanent water. And and when we're
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: close to permanent water, we're finding a lot of scrapes
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: and rubs because that's where that's obviously where the bucks are.
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: I mean, we target those areas on a year when
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: it's not dry, just because big bucks often will put
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: themselves in a spot real close to permanent water.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: As far as your betting area choice, will go.
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: But that's especially evident this year when it's really really
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: dry and they can't because there's there's the moisture content
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: in the brows that they're eating.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Right now is so low that they've they've.
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: Got to have some sort of permanent water source close by.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, we sat upon the other day that was.
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: Real close to a parking lot on public land that
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: gets pounded, and I think Ted saw eight or nine deer.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Man, that sounds like a good hunt early in the season.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Dude, I'm glad they already on that hard if you
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: were looking forward to the next week, I need you,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: if you would, to rank what you expect the buck
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: movement to be like on a scale of one to ten.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, I don't know.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Depends on where you're at.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Well, Southern, I will give me that one. That's what
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I need to know.
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: Well, it even depends on where you're at in the woods.
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: You know your situation, how tight are you to the betty?
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: But I would say overall, it's going to be pretty good.
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: I would if I had my choice, I'd be hunting
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: cold fronts in October over any other time.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: M hm.
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: So I would say seven or eight, especially if we
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: get a really good front here later part.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: Of this week.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Man, that's a pretty exciting time. Man.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: That's seven or eight in southern I was about as
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: good as it gets. So that's a good time to
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: get out there. And I'm sure y'all will. Dude, I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: appreciate the report. Thanks, no problem.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: On the phone, I have got meeters on Arkansas's native son,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Clay Newcombe.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: How are you today, sir?
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: I'm doing great, Casey, doing just great.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: That's good man. Well, I know you've been doing a
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: little light til hunting. In fact, we were talking mid
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: hunt this past week. We were both giving each other
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: some you know, a little bit of encouragement, and I
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: wanted to see how that went for you.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Man. How has the hunting been there in Arkansas?
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: Man, I have got a fresh load of not great
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: news from the white tailed nukem world down here.
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: I have.
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: I've not had a real great season so far, just man,
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: hadn't been seeing hadn't been finding much buck sign, hadn't
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: been getting pictures of any deer, which usually I am
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: this time of year, getting pictures of deer over feed,
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: sometimes getting pictures of deer over mock scrapes and different stuff,
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: and I don't really understand.
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: It completely, but I have not.
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: I actually didn't even hunt much this last weekend because
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: I just was.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: A little just kind of waiting.
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: You know, I've got your spots that I don't want
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: to bombard too much until I'm pretty confident that there's
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: a deer there that I want to kill.
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: I can kill him.
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: And so I spent this last weekend, which was an
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: incredible cold front, you know, October's first cold front. I
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: know a lot of guys here that killed good deer
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: this weekend, but I was not one of them.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's it's it's tough, but you know, I
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: understand that the patient game is is good. You and
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I were talking about some bear hunting you've been doing
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: up there, and you were targeting acron ridges. Do you
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: think that the acorns are having an impact on the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: white tails where you're at as well?
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: Well, that's that's part of the deal is I've not
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: really found I've yet to really find big concentrations of acorns,
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: and usually that's the that's the bear story.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: If you can find the acres, you can find the bears.
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: But I think some of the acorns are holding a
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: little longer than they usually do. They're not falling. But
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: also there are just not as many here in the
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: places where I'm at. I've not found a lot of acres.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: We're kind of seeing the same thing clay down here
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: where we're at in East Texas. Now, as far as
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: you know, the playing the slow game and being conservative,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: are you are you waiting on something in particular? Are
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: you waiting on just stuff to show up on trail camera?
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Are you work well on conditions or what?
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: Okay, So the specifics of my situation this year is
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: I lost a farm that a big farm for me
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: that I've had access to for twenty years, which has
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: kind of locally allowed me. I didn't realize how good
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: I had it until it was gone, and I so
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: I lost like ninety percent of my hunting ground, and
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: I'd relied on it so much that I just didn't
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: have a lot of other stuff up now. I and
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: also because I had this private I have not invested
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: a ton in local public land hunting.
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: Okay, it's complicated.
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: Story, boys, and so, but the ten percent of the
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: remaining private permissions that I have are small properties. So
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: basically I woke up to this year and it's like
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: I have a couple of very small properties that I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: hunting that I have had to be conservative, had to
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: be conservative in because they're so small, if that answers
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: your question, Tyler. Yeah, so, and there's just not there's
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: one good deer that I've got on camera in nothing fancy,
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: I mean like one hundred and twenty five inches a year, probably,
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: which I would I would hunt him like a Boon
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: and Crockett and I will, but I have just not
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: really got him on pattern. I've got him on camera
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: two or three times, random, no pattern. And it's a
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: small property. So it's not like I can go, well,
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: I know where he's bedding, or I'm going to go
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: over on this ridge and see if I can find
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: him over there. It's kind of like he's either on
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: my place or he's not.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: Well, And so that's why I found myself being conservative.
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: But losing the losing the public.
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: Has pushed me back to kind of my roots of
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: local hunting, which is I did go on some public land.
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: It's a long story.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: I do hunt public land every year in Arkansas, a
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: long ways from my house.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, that's all I'll say. I travel and hunt public.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say any public U hunts way away
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: from my house too.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: It's the way.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: It's definitely the thing to say, you know nowhere near
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you home.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So exactly looking.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: At the weather, we we you know, the moon's kind
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: of going away. It's gonna be kind of low. I
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: don't know if you think about that much. But we
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: have fairly monotonous weather coming up for like even the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: tea forecast. There's a little bit of a front I
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: think this weekend, but it's you know, we're looking at
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: a real similar stretch of days through here.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Well, that being said, and thinking about.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: The acron situation and what you have to hunt, what
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: do you think the buck movement's going to be like
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: on a scale of one to ten over the next week.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: Probably like a five.
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't I think that the middle of
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: October for where I'm at has never been great. It
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: feels like to me, you know, after about the twentieth
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: of October.
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: Anything could happen. I mean, you could.
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: Have a buck on a dough that is you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: I mean a dough in heat. It's it seems like
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: you know that that that and that causes bucks to
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: be moving around a lot more.
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: To me, the twentieth of October here.
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: In northwest Arkansas is time to start getting serious and
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: to start being less conservative in terms of like, now's
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: the time to hunt your good stuff the next ten days.
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: I mean, I'll hunt anytime that I get a chance,
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: and anything could happen. I was just talking to some
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: guys today that last may not have been last year,
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: maybe been two years ago, but on October the fourteenth,
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: they saw a giant buck locked down on a dough.
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: I mean, like, straight up, she was in heat, he was.
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: I mean, you'd have thought it was November the fourth
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: how about that? And that was on October fourteenth.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: And I think it feels like in this part of
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: the world we're.
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: Seeing kind of these longer ruts. I don't know if
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: that's anecdotal and not real, but it feels like anything
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: could happen a little sooner. But I don't anticipate. If
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: I was waiting for days to take off, I wouldn't
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: take off.
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: Gotchafter the twentieth of October.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: The quality information we need there, Sir Clay Nukem of
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Arkansas Buck Truck Fame, where we hunted together down in
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Arkansas and play on the public ground.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Clay.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: We appreciate the insights, sir, and uh, I'm sure we'll
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: be talking to you soon. Can't wait to see how
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: your season unfolds.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: Well, I've been enjoying seeing how y'all's has unfolded, and
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: it's been good.
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: So good job to y'all.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: On the phone, I got to the Dakota along with
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Cotton Creek Outdoors.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: He's been doing some hunting down in Texas. What's up, dude,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Hey k C.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're welcome. Man.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: You know, actually, from where we sit, you're up in
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Texas because you're a little further north than US's not
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: a whole lot, but I think that the general public
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't realize how big the country of Texas is a
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: monster place. Uh, it's almost like we're neighbors and we're
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: three hours apart. So, dude, I was scrolling socially the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: other day and I saw a big giant buck and
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I saw a big old smile from you right behind him.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: The other day. You shoot shot you a big one, dude, Yes, sir.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah he was.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: He was a really cool buck.
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: As my biggest deer to date and it was, uh,
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: it was pretty I made a batch you out on him,
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: but hey, that's part of bow hunting sometimes.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: We we we recovered him though.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: That's great, man, I'm glad you got him. So, uh,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: what tactic were you using hunting that deer?
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: So, uh, you know, we're we're hunting over like gravity
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: fed protein fears out that way, so it's more of
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: a feed feeding situation on on our side.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: And then but the deer hadn't been hitting it as much.
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: Everything's kind of starting to change, as you guys probably
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: have seen with cameras and that kind of stuff. It's
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: they're they're going to the woods that I've seen or uh,
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: they're been hitting locust trees a lot, eating those those beans,
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: and they've just been inconsistent on fears. Uh, the bachelor
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: groups are really starting to break up. From what I
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: can tell, they're not you'll still see bucks together, they're
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: not really fighting. Some of the young bucks are are
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: kind of sparring, but it's there. They're really not consistent
• 38:12
  Speaker 11: on the feed anymore, at least the mature deer aren't.
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: So I actually saw a truck and pictured this morning
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: of a deer eating a locust bean pod, which is interesting.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: You mentioned that do you guys have live oaks out
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: there where you're at.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a few.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: It's there's not a whole bunch, but there is.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Some, Yes, sir, do they are they dropping? And are
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: you seeing any deer hitting them?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: So the ones we've seen.
• 38:35
  Speaker 11: Actually, the night I killed my buck, there was some
• 38:37
  Speaker 11: younger deer that actually went over to uh. I guess
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: it was a live oak, but it was kind of
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: a low hanging one, and he stood up on his
• 38:45
  Speaker 11: back feet and was shaking those limbs and getting that
• 38:47
  Speaker 11: those acrons to fall the hand.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: They're still over there for.
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: Fifteen or twenty minutes before they ever came over and
• 38:54
  Speaker 11: to the feeder.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: What are the chances that he's browsing leaves off that
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: thing too?
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's a very good chance of it.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: And at first I thought he was making a scrape,
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: and I was like, no, he's not making a scrape.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: He's shaking that tree and getting acrons off of it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Would you say that there are more deer that are
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: eating off those acre trees, off those live oaks, or
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: or around them, or there's more deer that are coming
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: to protein feeders.
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: So I think it's it's a little mixture of both
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: because it's a like every third day, those mature deer
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: will come back to the feeders, but they're they're staying
• 39:30
  Speaker 11: in the timber.
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: I mean, they don't have to go anywhere.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah. Has the cool front affected the deer movement?
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: Yes, yes, I've seen a lot more doze on cameras,
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: and they're really I don't I don't think they're they're
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: packing up quite yet, but they're they're not as consistent
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: as they were on their like summer feeding patterns.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: That's for sure.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: So if you were looking forward, you know, the the
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: weather for textas at least where we're at, is really
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: monotone for like the next ten days. Is that what
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: you're kind of seeing as well? Or do y'all have
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: some fronts going out there further west?
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we got one front coming in I think like
• 40:05
  Speaker 11: Friday night is what it's looking like, and then by
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: Monday it's gonna be kind of back up in the eighties.
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: So I think it's gonna be maybe a couple.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Of good days of some some bucks.
• 40:15
  Speaker 11: Like hitting you know, a food source or there. It's
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: gonna uh and then I think it's gonna kind of
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: just mellow out and you're gonna be kind of seeing
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: the same younger deer for a few days and those
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: when it warms back up. I feel like those those
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: big bucks they'll kind of, you know, stay stagnant for
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: a little bit.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: So with that loom in, I suppose you got kind
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: of like a little bit of a window there looking
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: at the next week. If you had to rank what
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: you thought buck movement would be like on a scale
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: of one to ten, what would you say it is
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: for Texas for the next week.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: I would I would give it a seven.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: I think you're gonna still see some some big some
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: big bucks moving and a lot of younger bucks moving
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: for sure.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: How about that, man, that's a good that makes me
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: want to go get in the woods right now. This
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: is well not right now, but this weekend. You say that,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that sounds a right all right to me.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I feel like we're.
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: Going to get you know, in the it's looking in
• 41:05
  Speaker 11: the upper forties and the in the like Friday night,
• 41:07
  Speaker 11: I think so, I think that Saturday is really going
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: to get their the deer on their feet and then
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: it'll kind of back off, you know as the beginning
• 41:14
  Speaker 11: of next week starts. But I feel like it's really
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: really going to give him a good push, I hope.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Man, Well, thanks, report really appreciate it and hope you
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: have a good rest of the season.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Dude, you bet I appreciate y'all.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I got our friend Drew Robbins. He's been hunting in Alabama.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: What's going on, dude.
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: Man, Not much, brother, just trying to take advantage of
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: this cold weather.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: It's cool weather that just.
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: Moved in, and so we're excited about that and so
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: hoping to get out a couple more times in the
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: next couple of weeks and try to get something else
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: down on the ground that's cool.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So you know, we are Southern Brethren, and around here
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: we call them cool fronts because it ain't really cold yet.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Do you say that where we're at too, well, we
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: we call them cold fronts.
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: And so, but I mean, you know, y'all, are you
• 42:00
  Speaker 9: know Texas Brethren over there?
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: You know, eighty from ninety to eighty.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Five is a cool look at it, you know.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: So have you all been out getting after de youer
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: pretty good already.
• 42:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, we've been out and uh it's been keenan
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: on some uh you know, just just the traditional early
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: season uh you know, acrons and uh we we had
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: a really wet summer and so in our neck of
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: the woods, it seems like we have a really good,
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: uh bumper crop of acorns this year. And so that's
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: what we've been keenan and on. Guys that I know
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: have been keenan on is is that stuff right there?
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: So do you guys have like that kind of traditional
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: American white oak or using You've seen a lot of
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: different stuff dropping in your area.
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: Normally it's the white oaks that are that are early season,
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: and then once you get a little bit later, uh
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: you know, the red oaks will start dropping. And so
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: but that's that's were mostly key on is wide oak.
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: But that's also because we have death majority of the
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: oaks around here.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Is that So are they deer using them right now?
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're seeing that?
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, So it's it's it's one of those things.
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: It's a double edged sword in the sense of if
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: you can find the one that they are about, then man,
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: you have a really good chance of at least seeing
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: there but also harvesting. But also since we had such
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: a wet summer, like I said, they don't have to
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: travel very far, and.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: So we have We have quite a few of the.
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: Of the oaks up in our area, and so maybe
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: in South Alabama and in South Georgia might not be
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: as much, but we have a lot of oaks up
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: here and so so they don't have to travel as much,
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: which makes it a little bit more difficult. But like
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: I said, if you can find that one and you're
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: you're in the chips.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: So we were talking to Mark Kenyon earlier and he
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: said that the acorns are affecting the movement they're seeing
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: on like food plots and stuff. Have you noticed any
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: of that? Are you seeing less moving on food plots?
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: So they still hitting the green fields and stuff like that.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're they're hitting the green fields just a
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: little bit.
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: I actually set over at Greenfield opening day or opening afternoon,
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: i should say, and I killed a dough but it's
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: not near as.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: What it was as compared to last year.
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: Just for example, I got a couple of cameras on
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: some food plots that that I lease and have permission on,
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: and then we were getting slamm last year with with thoughs,
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: and this year it's not nearly as much.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: And so because they're they're on the milk's hard right now.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: So being down in the southern part of the US,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you have a later rud I'm assuming, uh, at least
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: in party estate. Does that mean that the technical early
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: season patterns last longer as well?
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Correct?
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we we're seeing down here, and I mean, you know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: the the early season pattern could last into you know, uh,
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: first of November. But it's also unique here because we
• 45:02
  Speaker 9: also have rud activity around that time as well.
• 45:04
  Speaker 11: And so.
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: But really, once you get that first real good frost
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: I'm talking about, like real good one, that's kind of
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: when and at least what I've seen, the early season
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: patterns really start to dissipate and then they start to
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: they start to spar a little bit and start to
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: kind of fill their oat some. And so we had
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: a nice cool front move in this past weekend and
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: dropped it down and it was in the low forties.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: But traditionally it'll get back hot again or.
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: Warmer, and then we'll have another real good one in
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: the first of November. And if that's when we really
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: see them start to break up and really start to
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: spar a little bit and lay down a lot more.
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: Buck sign is when we get that first good frost.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Gotcha.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: So in the next week, thinking about variables that can
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: deal with weather or the photo period, or maybe even
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: food sources changing or whatever it might be, maybe the moon,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: what do you predict the buck movement to be like
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: on a scale of one to ten in the next
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: week or.
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: So, one to ten, I would probably say a five,
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: just uh yeah, just.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Middle middle there there the road just coming.
• 46:15
  Speaker 9: Off a what I would call probably like a seven,
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: you know, of the past week that it's gonna warm
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: up some also it's it's it's weird because the reason
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: they're also not hitting food plots is a lot of
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: guys don't have food plots down in the ground yet
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: because we haven't had a whole lot of rain once
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: the calendar hit September, so we got a ton during
• 46:34
  Speaker 9: the summer, and then once it hit uh you know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: uh September, which I know for some of the southern
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: states that's the openers.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: We didn't we didn't get a whole lot of rain
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: here in Alabama.
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: So that's another reason we're not seeing a whole lot
• 46:47
  Speaker 9: of activity on on Greenfield. So I would say, man,
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: uh just to average five, you know, just average hunh week, gotcha.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Well, thanks for the report man. I look forward to
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: seeing what you put down on the ground this year.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: And uh hope we'll be talking to you soon.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: Thanks fellas, say you.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: After listening to these guys, I am pumped to go
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: deer hunting.
• 47:08
  Speaker 10: Man.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: It's here, guys, power, it is dad. Come to your season.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: As we like to say around here. You can get
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: out there and chase around with a boat back here
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: anywhere in the country now. So it's an exciting time
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: to be one hundred's exciting time, a good time to
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: be live. There's a great country and Western song by
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Travis Tripp that had a lot to do with that
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: at one point in time. It might be what we
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: need to listen to in a way to stand next time.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: If you need to feel inspired and you've done listen
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: to Travis, but you want to maybe watch something, you
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: need to go check out the latest and greatest episode
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: of Buck Truck.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: It's from Texas, a very own home state.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: There was a Texas report here and Mark Kenyon, who
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: also was in the intro today was on that hunt
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: as well. Mark elects to make a decision on a
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: buck in that video.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: You need to go watch it and see if it
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: was the right or wrong decision. Let us know what
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: you think on that.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Also, the last episode of One Week in November should
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: be live on the Meat Eater channel as well, so
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: go check that out if you haven't. And that's what
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I know, guys. It's rout fresh. It is time to
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: get out and hunt some deer. This has been rut fresh,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Keep it fresh.