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He knew what I was THINKING Storytime with MrBallen · Crime and Horror

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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. John.
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  Speaker 2: If I told you right now to walk up to
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  Speaker 2: any one of these books now, not physically, but mentally,
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  Speaker 2: and I want you to flip it open to any page,
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  Speaker 2: to look at that page, and to go back and
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  Speaker 2: forth and stop at any word. Can you see this
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  Speaker 2: happening in your close your eyes, in your minds.
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  Speaker 1: I envision that occurring.
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  Speaker 2: I want to show them at home because people will
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  Speaker 2: say later that I changed what I wrote somehow.
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  Speaker 1: All right, open your eyes. What was that worth about?
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  Speaker 2: Dude?
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  Speaker 3: This is not stage. This is crazy. I'm blowing away
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  Speaker 3: all right. Welcome back to storytime with mister Ballin. This
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  Speaker 3: was such a hit on the last episode with Tom
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  Speaker 3: Segura that we decided we would do more. And today
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  Speaker 3: today's guest, I gotta be honest, they they're gonna blow
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  Speaker 3: your mind. Seriously. I went into this experience sort of skeptical.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the things this person does are sort of impossible.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's just he goes in front of these audiences,
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  Speaker 3: which include huge celebrities and professional sports teams, and effectively
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  Speaker 3: reads their minds. He certainly blows their minds, and he
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  Speaker 3: does it under so much pressure, and he's he nails
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  Speaker 3: it every time, and so we asked him on the show.
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  Speaker 3: He's got some amazing stories and he also truly just
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  Speaker 3: he did. I have something written on my hand right
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  Speaker 3: now that has to do with one of the tricks
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  Speaker 3: that he pulled on me, and it's just I can't
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe how this episode went. So really, stick around.
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  Speaker 3: He's an amazing guy and just a master of his craft.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna blow your mind. So, without further ado, let's
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  Speaker 3: get into today's episode.
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  Speaker 2: I'm oh's the mentalist. I'm here in story time with
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  Speaker 2: mister Bowlin. I already know what you're thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Stick around, all right, oh's the mentalist? Peerlman. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: are the world's greatest mentalist. I mean lately I have
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  Speaker 3: seen you pop up all over the place. You were
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  Speaker 3: just on Joe Rogan and his reaction to when he
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  Speaker 3: guesses his.
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  Speaker 2: Piste off pissed off Joe.
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  Speaker 1: You have not seen him that angry in a while,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: He goes down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and
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  Speaker 2: he was like, did you hack me? Did you have
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  Speaker 2: you literally gotten into my life? How did you get
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  Speaker 2: my pin code?
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  Speaker 3: I liked how you were like, hey, let's let's just
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  Speaker 3: be spontaneous. You're like, look, we'll try to guess your
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  Speaker 3: ATAM pin code and you can just see it on Joe.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, okay, all right, let's see and you guess
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  Speaker 3: the first number. At some point you're like, just tell me,
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  Speaker 3: just tell me.
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  Speaker 1: Is it one?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was one? Yep, And he's like all right.
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  Speaker 3: But then as soon as you began doing it, you
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  Speaker 3: could just see his whole, his whole mentality, everything shifted
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  Speaker 3: and you can just see as the audience. If this
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  Speaker 3: is staged, it's the It's the best staging I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 3: because his reaction was not pleasure. It was like, stop,
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  Speaker 3: how did I do?
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  Speaker 1: Joe? Is that your ATAM pin code?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's weird. I'm skeptical because I've got that pin
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  Speaker 4: code in the mail.
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  Speaker 2: You know. People loved seeing it because with Joe, he
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  Speaker 2: is the ultimate debunker. Yeah, we agreement, like, no one's
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  Speaker 2: going on Joe Rogan and telling Joe what to do
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  Speaker 2: now on the biggest platform in the world, that he
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  Speaker 2: is the boss and he didn't know what was.
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  Speaker 1: Going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what captivated the public is if
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  Speaker 2: you would have been amazed, that's one thing, but he
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  Speaker 2: was angry and a little scared.
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  Speaker 3: So tell me, like, what what is a mentalist?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Because I've looked it up. Yeah, but that doesn't really
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  Speaker 3: accomplish the task here. I want to hear from you.
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  Speaker 3: And secondarily, how does one know they have the skill
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  Speaker 3: to be a mentalist?
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  Speaker 2: So a mentalist is a form of magic, right, This
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  Speaker 2: is not in the world of psychics and supernatural That's
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  Speaker 2: not what I pretend to do. I completely make sure
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  Speaker 2: that I go out of my way and sure people
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  Speaker 2: understand I'm not claiming to be a psychic.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not supernatural.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, I have a series of skills that I've developed
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  Speaker 2: kind of like an arsenal tools over decades of learning
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  Speaker 2: how people think. And it's grounded in magic. So everyone
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  Speaker 2: knows what a magician is.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You could go to an eight year old. They've
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  Speaker 1: started to see magic tricks.
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  Speaker 2: And when we watch magic, we understand that we're being
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  Speaker 2: fooled with our eyes. Somehow, this person knows how to
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  Speaker 2: do things quickly or to distract me, so they do
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  Speaker 2: something somewhere else. Right when you cut the woman in half,
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  Speaker 2: spoiler alert, guys, I'm not trying to ruin Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: There's no Santa Claus.
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  Speaker 2: You're not really cutting the woman in half somehow, you're
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  Speaker 2: deceiving me with an illusion. That's the name of the world.
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  Speaker 2: That's really what it's called. So magic is all about
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  Speaker 2: misdirection and fooling the eyes. This is a specialized subset
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  Speaker 2: within magic where it's magic of the mind, very different.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not fooling your eyes because there's no fast hands.
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  Speaker 2: There's almost no props. I can show up. I had
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  Speaker 2: a show last night in Toronto. Came right here from
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  Speaker 2: the airport where I did a show, smaller group up
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  Speaker 2: four under people.
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  Speaker 1: And I show up with nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I have a pad of paper and a marker, which
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  Speaker 2: if I don't have with me they can grab for me.
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  Speaker 1: The show isn't props. I'm the show.
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  Speaker 2: And so what I've learned to do is know how
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  Speaker 2: people think. And by knowing effectively how people think, I'll
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  Speaker 2: know what they think and I'll present that in a
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  Speaker 2: very entertaining, fooling and hopefully memorable manner. So mentalism is psychology, misdirection, deception, influence.
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  Speaker 2: It's all these different skills baked into one cake.
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  Speaker 3: And is this something that you always knew you possessed
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  Speaker 3: skills that ultimately crystallized and became you being the world's
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  Speaker 3: greatest mentalist, right, thank you. Did you have moments in
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  Speaker 3: your life before this became a thing where you're like,
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  Speaker 3: I have these innate skills that I could refine, but
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  Speaker 3: you knew you had them? Or is this something that
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  Speaker 3: people could be taught?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, people can be taught. So this is a learnable skill.
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  Speaker 2: But I call it I would liken it to musical talent,
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  Speaker 2: which is innate in a sense, which is you could
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  Speaker 2: probably learn to play the piano into a certain number
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  Speaker 2: of songs.
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  Speaker 1: Like my nine year old plays the piano.
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  Speaker 2: If I continued practicing every day for a year, I'd
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  Speaker 2: probably get better. But what if I practice for a decade,
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  Speaker 2: Would I ever be good enough to play at Carnegie
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  Speaker 2: in New York City? I don't think I would. I
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  Speaker 2: think that it's not in me that innate God giving gift,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you're gonna call it. You can develop the skills,
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  Speaker 2: but will you get to a certain level. There might
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  Speaker 2: be a ceiling. Sure, So that's the best way to
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  Speaker 2: describe it. I have a gift for it, and I've
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  Speaker 2: also been very, very persistent and never underestimate the power
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  Speaker 2: of persistence, because mentalism has a steep learning curve and
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  Speaker 2: most people don't have thick enough skin to get through
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  Speaker 2: the times when you suck. So magic can be practiced
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  Speaker 2: over and over and over in a mirror, and you
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  Speaker 2: can improve because it's move based. It's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: play golf. If you practice your swing, hopefully by the
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  Speaker 2: millionth swing, you're gonna be great. You might not be
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  Speaker 2: Rory McElroy or Tiger Woods with this. The only way
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  Speaker 2: that I can get better is by doing it for
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  Speaker 2: an audience.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: You can't practice guessing what people are gonna think without people,
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  Speaker 2: And the first few hundred times you do it, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna eat part of my friends. You're gonna eat shit
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  Speaker 2: like You're not gonna be good. There's very few mentalists
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  Speaker 2: that started good, and so what tends to happen is
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  Speaker 2: you perform, you suck, You go, oh my god, that
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  Speaker 2: was painful. I don't want to do that again. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to experience that suffering. So I did much
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  Speaker 2: more magic for years, and then I started dipping my
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  Speaker 2: toes in the water of mentalism and then doing a
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  Speaker 2: little more and then doing a little more, and then
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  Speaker 2: I was on a show. If we like rewind my career,
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  Speaker 2: there was a moment where it was like a fork
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  Speaker 2: in the road where I was on America's Got Talent
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  Speaker 2: or its changed my life and I rebranded myself as
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  Speaker 2: instead of like we quote unquote you know, Oh's the magician,
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  Speaker 2: I became Oh's the mentalist. That's I literally monikered it
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  Speaker 2: because now I differentiated myself from others and decided I'm
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  Speaker 2: not doing magic anymore. That was like the crutch. I
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  Speaker 2: just started doing just mentalism.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting. I think one of the things that I've
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  Speaker 3: noticed about you and your rise that's currently up into
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  Speaker 3: the right you really are telling it right now, is
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  Speaker 3: in a way I feel like I can relate a
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  Speaker 3: little bit to the pressure that you put on yourself,
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  Speaker 3: and I'll give you some context so I know that
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  Speaker 3: you're into distance running in addition to like serious distance running.
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  Speaker 3: This dude's done one hundred and fifty three more miles,
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  Speaker 3: It's true, regularly runs marathons on a whim. That is
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  Speaker 3: a It is a physical feat, no doubt, but it
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  Speaker 3: is a mental feat more than anything else.
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  Speaker 2: Agreed, It's more mental than physical. Anybody who tells me, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I can't do this, I'm like that, you
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  Speaker 2: already set yourself up.
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: You've already created an obstacle in your mind. It's the
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  Speaker 2: wrong viewpoint and your actually your mind translates into your body,
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  Speaker 2: so you're telling yourself that creates that. I think you know,
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  Speaker 2: the mind controls the body. I've seen people that are
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirty years older than you finish a race that
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  Speaker 2: I didn't finish. Objectively, I'm fitter than they are, I'm
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  Speaker 2: younger than they are, I'm stronger than there. Why did
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  Speaker 2: they finish when I didn't? Because my mind crumbled?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, buds, how many people rang that bell that
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  Speaker 2: were probably tough sobs, but they didn't have it mentally.
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  Speaker 3: It's true and in fact, the you had said that
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  Speaker 3: when you first tried these spartathlon Yeah, you did it twice, right,
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  Speaker 3: I did it twice. So the spartathlons one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty three miles, right, one.
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  Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty three miles, thirty six hour cutoffs, So
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  Speaker 2: it's very important.
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  Speaker 1: There's races that are longer.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, there's a Haytive you're running two undred mile
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  Speaker 2: races all this crazy stuff, but this you can't slow
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  Speaker 2: down and walk very much like in these other races.
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  Speaker 2: They're glorified hikes. No offense to all these people do
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  Speaker 2: two hundreds. They do it for four or five days.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the people are it's slow. This is running
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  Speaker 2: NonStop for a day and a half. You start on
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  Speaker 2: a Saturday morning, I'm running till Sunday evening.
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  Speaker 3: That's insane. And so like what people need to understand
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  Speaker 3: about running really long distances. I've done a couple marathons,
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  Speaker 3: and that's marathon is twenty six point two miles.
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  Speaker 1: Which is very respectable. Don't you don't respect don't you
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  Speaker 1: talk down on yourself.
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  Speaker 3: But when you hit about mile twenty, people say that's
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  Speaker 3: sort of like the halfway point, even though it's not
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  Speaker 3: twenty six point two. The halfway is thirteen. But at
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  Speaker 3: about twenty miles is when your body sort of reaches
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  Speaker 3: that point where it's like, okay, we've we've lost all
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  Speaker 3: the glucose stores. We're sort of burning on muscle. At
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  Speaker 3: this point, it's like you're falling apart. And I remember
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  Speaker 3: when I ran a marathon and I hit mile twenty,
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  Speaker 3: it was like, I can barely move and I have
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  Speaker 3: six miles to go. So for anyone that's been thinking, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know one hundred and fifty three miles, yeah, you just
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  Speaker 3: suck it up and go, that's not how that works.
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  Speaker 3: This is like a mental test of magnitudes you made
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  Speaker 3: not understand, but you had said if the first time
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  Speaker 3: you did the spartathlon, you you did not finish, didn't finish,
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  Speaker 3: and you knew as you're running along, You're like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to finish this on right, and you're writing
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  Speaker 3: the story in your head that you're like, how am
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  Speaker 3: I going to spin this to the people that you
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  Speaker 3: know they expected me to finish and I didn't. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: but you went back and you ultimately did it again
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  Speaker 3: and you finished it. That's so highly unusual. One that
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  Speaker 3: you went after in the first place, but two that
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  Speaker 3: you went back and did the race. I think that
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  Speaker 3: says a lot about not only your mental toughness, but
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  Speaker 3: why you have these innate skills. You've honed those skills
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  Speaker 3: to become the mentalist that you are, but you obviously
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  Speaker 3: have this ability to put yourself in these highly mentally
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  Speaker 3: stressful environments and perform not just well, but at your
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  Speaker 3: literal best.
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  Speaker 1: And so, like.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, you go in and into an entire NFL football team,
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  Speaker 3: and these are also clips you've got to check out
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  Speaker 3: if you haven't seen him, Like the Bengals, you go
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  Speaker 3: into the whole my favorites, and like he'll tell the players,
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  Speaker 3: like the quarterback Joe Burrow, and he's like, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: write down who you're gonna throw it to, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not gonna show you you're you're gonna do it, throw
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  Speaker 3: it to anybody in the room. And then after you
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  Speaker 3: do it, I'm gonna show you what I thought. And
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  Speaker 3: like the clip, you see that he's written down a name,
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  Speaker 3: and sure enough he turns, he throws the football and
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  Speaker 3: everyone's like, oh, oh, yes, he guess they're right. But
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  Speaker 3: then the next time you do it, you write down
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  Speaker 3: two names, and it's like he's gonna fake to this
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  Speaker 3: person and throw to this person and you're holding it back,
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  Speaker 3: and sure enough, Joe, who clearly has no idea what
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  Speaker 3: you've written down, fake throw room goes wild.
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  Speaker 1: Tanner fakes to Jamar, throws to Tanner.
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  Speaker 3: How do you put yourself in that position consistently and
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  Speaker 3: just stay calm enough to do those things when the
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  Speaker 3: outcomes binary that's so stressful, how do you do it?
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  Speaker 1: So? I think you're mindset.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where the ultra arunning and the mentalism
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  Speaker 2: go hand in hand, and I think each one has
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  Speaker 2: improved the other. Truly, there's physiological things involved, which being
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  Speaker 2: able to be calm under pressure.
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  Speaker 1: That calmness directly.
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  Speaker 2: Creates the success in the situation, which is when you
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  Speaker 2: start panicking. Those chemicals that flood through your body can
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  Speaker 2: indicate to other people. The same way that animals can
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  Speaker 2: smell fear, they can literally smell fear.
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  Speaker 1: I think we still have that hardwired in us.
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  Speaker 2: We are still animals in a sense where we don't
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  Speaker 2: trust our instincts, but we can feel it. Like right now,
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  Speaker 2: if somebody walks in the room, even if you don't
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  Speaker 2: know that they're there, you have situational awareness where you
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  Speaker 2: can sense somebody walked in. How is that right? It's
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  Speaker 2: not sonar. There's something in you that I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how we explain. That's a sense that can indicate danger,
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  Speaker 2: which I'm sure you've had. You can sense on high
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  Speaker 2: alert and something floods you because that fight or flight.
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  Speaker 2: So in those situations where it's do or die, not literally,
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  Speaker 2: but if that screws up in that room, there's no
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  Speaker 2: safety net. This football team didn't walk in and get
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  Speaker 2: set up and say, hey, guys, act excited for this
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  Speaker 2: random dude, Joe Burrow. The funny part about that clip
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  Speaker 2: was the day it dropped, the day before he signed
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  Speaker 2: the most lucrative contract in NFL history, two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: seventy five million dollars with some obscene number that was
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  Speaker 2: guaranteed one hundred and eighty four million fact check me.
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  Speaker 2: So the best comment, the comment that will run up
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  Speaker 2: the most was go dude, he clearly paid this guy
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  Speaker 2: to do it. And my comment under to this guy was, bro,
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  Speaker 2: I wish I had enough money to pay Joe Burrow
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  Speaker 2: off to pretend to do this. And it got up
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  Speaker 2: liked like ten thousand times because it's so comical. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you think the behind the scenes on that,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, is great because Joe is very shy
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  Speaker 2: just he's a great guy, but I had no time
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  Speaker 2: with him. And when you go to these football teams,
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  Speaker 2: there's a series of people that are intermediaries. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: talking to the players, there's the pr team, the communications team.
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  Speaker 1: These are organizations.
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  Speaker 2: And they say to you that person doesn't want to
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  Speaker 2: be involved, and so I say to them, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with all due respect, I'll.
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  Speaker 1: See who wants to be involved. I say yes.
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  Speaker 2: But when I get in the room, my job is
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  Speaker 2: to convert nose into Yes's where some of the people
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  Speaker 2: that thought they wanted nothing to do with me, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to win them over. And the Joe Burrow thing, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there was an amazing trick, but getting somebody who, when
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  Speaker 2: they sat down in their mind said one hundred percent no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not getting involved, and then having them not only
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  Speaker 2: say yes to what I was going to do, buy in,
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  Speaker 2: but then have a monster reaction that's since been viewed
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of times and helped change my life.
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  Speaker 1: That same thing, that set of.
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  Speaker 2: Skills on how to win people over influence them is
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  Speaker 2: applicable to everyone in every facet of your life. It
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  Speaker 2: works in business if you're doing sales. It works in relationships,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's people you know closely and you want to
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  Speaker 2: create deeper bonds, or whether it's people you want to
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  Speaker 2: win over, whether it's like a romantic sense, friendship sense,
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  Speaker 2: it's how do you meet people and connect with them
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  Speaker 2: in a deeper way and get them not only to
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: like you, build rapport, but both of those two things
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: are to do what you want them to do. Not
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: in a nefarious way, but think about it. I'm a parent.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to win my kids over. I'm selling them
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: all the time my ideas, which is, please do your
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: homework right now, even though you don't want to because
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: there's better things to do. How do you convince them
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: in an effective manner? And that is a form of mentalism,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: which is knowing how people think and using it to
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: your advantage. That's what I'm doing all the time, and
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: those are the skills you can apply. Going back to
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: what you said with Joe Burrow, in all these situations,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: I have used the running to calm myself and to
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: not think of the finish line, which is when you're
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: at twenty miles and you're miserable, it sounds like six
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: miles is so little. It's just six miles, man, You've
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: done a ten k before. But in the moment, every
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: step hurts. I'm miserable, I'm puken, I feel terrible. I
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: want to be done now. I want to be on
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: a couch eating ice cream. Now, what the hell was
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I thinking doing this race? I am not a superhuman
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: like literally. It's the same way that a friend of mine,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: David Goggins, will say, I don't want to be out
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: there running in the rain in the cold at four
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: thirty am.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: But the fact that I.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Don't want to do it is why I'm doing it,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: because that's where the real training hits. The moments where
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: it becomes hard is where you learn who you really are.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: When I'm sitting here talking about running as easy, oh yeah,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: it's fun, I want to get to the moments where
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: I'm in the deepest, darkest place and I'm asking myself
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: question why am I doing this? Don't want to do it,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: and I still persevere. That's where you become stronger. It's
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: where you tear the muscle and grow it back stronger.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: And those skills have allowed me when I'm in those
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: pressured moments and that ultras are like something I stand
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: on where I'm completely calm and I'm very aligned and
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to panic, so the people around me
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: see how calm I am and I can still keep
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: them within my control.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: What you're doing is so stress packed almost on purpose, Right,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: You're going in front of this crowd that's like big
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: professional athletes, like all these celebrities, and you're going to
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: like walk in and impress them and do something that's
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: just unbelievable. Is their thrill out of the fact that
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: you know going into that that you're gonna be calm
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: and people will see only will you perform, but for you,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: this is what you do do You seek these moments
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: out because that is empowering for you.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Man, if we got like into a therapy session of
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: like Freud, and I keep taking big swings at things
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: that I don't know if they're necessarily going to work,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: but I think that the audience can sense the danger.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: The risk.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what's exciting, and so you can feel the
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: excitement through the camera. It's what captures you because I
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: don't know, I can't explain it. It's the audience can
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: know internally that this might have gone wrong and it didn't,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: and that's.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Why you get the big reactions.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: So I've done a couple of lives speaking engagements, just
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: telling stories to crowds, and I remember I told my
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: production team as we're getting ready to put it together,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: like how do you want it to go? How much
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: production value do you want? And I said, I was like,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I need the first time I do speaking engagements to
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: be basically just me and a microphone. I want it
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: to be a pure experience because I need to prove
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: to myself that, like I can deliver something that's really
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: engaging without any props, without anything, just me, right, And
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: it was like the sense of I almost hated myself
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: for doing this because you're setting yourself up right, I'm
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: gonna walk out in front of thousands of people, me
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: and a microphone. I've never done this before. It could
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: go horribly wrong, but it's like I almost felt like
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: the only way to do it was like full send commitment,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: like commitment to the bit you have to and I
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and I'd go out on stage, and with that sense
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: of commitment, I was able to easily do these shows.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: And I think for you, what I see in all
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: these clips of you just like blowing people away, honestly,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: more than the bit, it is the sense that you
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: are completely committed and even if it goes wrong, it's
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: like somehow he's gonna spin this right. He's got full
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: command of the room.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: People love when it goes wrong.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: So there's that level of why are those traffic jams
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: where you're like, why was there such trivium? The rubbernecking, right,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the human instinct that's in our DNA of liking to
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: gossip and liking to see what's going on with them.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Oh look at that car, Holy crap, right, everyone does it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: We're all slowed down, we're on the freaking bq E.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: And what just happened? Why is you know, like I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: seventy eight is jammed up because one jerk was texting
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and we have to watch that. So that same approach
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: is again hardwired in our DNA. So in my show,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I'm very keenly aware of moments where I can create stress,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: confusion or like chaos, and I can make it so
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that you forget the things I want you to forget,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: and then I put the camera on the things I
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: want you to remember, and I during the moment where
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: you're recounting what happened, I'm telling the story that you're
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: going to remember in your mind. People don't realize that
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: memory is malleable, so we think of his memory as
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: the same thing as this camera shooting me right now
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: that we could rewind playback, and it's it's immutable, it
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: never changes, it's on camera, right, it's not. People remember
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: certain things and they are typically related to So I'll
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: give you a great example. Eyewitness testimony, which you know
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: more than anyone, is inherently unreliable because when people's cortersol
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: levels adrenaline there in a moment where they just saw
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the shit go down, their body floods with these emotions
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and all of these things that they're not used to encountering.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: For most people, they're not into those situations that are
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: high stress, and now suddenly a face, a color of hair,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a height, all of that stuff that's captured in one
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: or two seconds can be changed, especially if you're interrogated
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: later and ask questions and the investigator uses leading language. Right,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: So when you saw this guy who was like six
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: foot two, six six foot three, I did I see?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Well? I kind of maybe, right, you can start to
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: change what they have. Right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Imagine you do a watercolor painting and it's not dry yet,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I can start to change what you painted. I'm saying,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: narrating the story that you will tell the next person
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: about me, and then I will get rid of the
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: parts I don't want just like an editor clips sections
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: out and I have it so your memory only remembers
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the things I want you to tell, or the story
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: you tell, because the story you tell about me is
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: what continues. It's what makes me memorable. And anyone that
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: ever walks into a room and is the most memorable
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: person in the room will achieve their goals the most effectively.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Just think about it in your head.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: When you've gone to a party or an event and
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you've met someone, there's always at an event. When you
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: go home, you're talking to your wife, you're talking like, man,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: did you meet that guy? Yeah, we see, there's always
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a person who stands out. Sure if it's a good party.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Otherwise it's suctually everyone's boring. But what made that person interesting? Now,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I think in a lot of instances, it's the fact
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: that the person who's very interesting isn't a big talker,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: but they're very interested and they bring out the best
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: in you, and you feel like, man, they were so
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: interested in me, and they give good stories and they
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: ask me questions I'd never been asked before, and that
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: kind of elevates a certain level in you where you
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: get excited to be around them. Some people have a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: natural charisma, and you analyze what is a natural charisma?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: What is it that they do when they walk in
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the room. They approach with confidence. They typically approach not
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: a direct thing. So another thing that is very important
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: body posture, body positioning, and how you walk up to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: somebody who don't know instantly puts you at ease or
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: makes you feel ill at ease and like they're intruding
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: your space.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: If somebody walks up to you too close, whoa bro?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You know? What do you doing? Chill out?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: If somebody approaches you quickly and they're talking and they're
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: not slowing down, and you don't know when they're gonna leave,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: then you start getting this feeling of oh god, am
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I stuck in this conversation for a while versus and I.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Learned this doing restaurants when I was a kid.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: If I walk up to you at an angle and
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it looks like I'm one foot in, one foot out,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and you're seeing one of my eyes, which is again
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the way animals react instead of head on, which scares them,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: but at a sideways. And if I give you a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: time constraint, which is all great to meet you and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: for me performing magic, people might not want me there.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: They don't know who I am, especially to a restaurant
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: where you're having dinner and you're like, who is this kid?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: And I was fourteen? And do you have to tip him? Oh?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: My god, do I have any cash on me? All
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: of these things go through your mind. So I have
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to take away those layers of resistance, and I learned
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: early on what I could do in those moments.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: That applies to everything in life.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: It's not just about the performance, it's life skills, and
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I think those life skills translate very effectively into habits
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: for success.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: No matter what you do, it seems like you are,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I mean to simplify, extremely perceptive about other people, Like
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: you're picking up cues that maybe to you seem like
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: they could be picked up by a lot of people.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: But your ability, at least the way you're describing it,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: to read people really, really quickly is astounding. And I'll
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: say on a much smaller level, I actually did when
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I was in the seal teams, I did a lot
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: of the speaking with locals. Basically we'd be on target
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: and then at the end of whatever confident we were in,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: there'd be an opportunity to speak to people that were
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: in whatever village we were in in Afghanistan, And truthfully,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: you're basically talking to the men and you're trying to
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: discern if they were just shooting at you, right or
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: they weren't. And it's really hard to tell, right, And
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of times, even with the interpreter there, a
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: conversation's not going to get you there. No, you're really
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: just trying to gauge how they view me.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Intuition and instinct go a long way, right, If you
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: have a gut feeling, you have to trust it then
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: try to verify it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: But if you get that gut.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Feeling and you ignore it, like you know that like
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: tickling of like this doesn't feel right, I'm sure in
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: your situation that's life or death.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this was like relatively safe. You know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: we're safe at this point. But a lot of times
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I would pick up very quickly if someone was just
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: positioning themselves in a sort of adversarial way, like I'm
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: sure I'm speaking of the guy who knows this stuff.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: But there's a way you stand if you're almost sort
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: of seeking a level of conflict with the person you're with, right,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: if you're deferential you're sort of positioning yourself in such
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: a way. But I'm coming into the room, I'm decked
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: out in like special operations gear. We've just secured the target,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: and I'm talking to you, and if you're going to
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: stand toe to toe with me, right and like look
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: me square in the eyes. Pretty much immediately I'm like, wow,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: this is a combatant, right, you know, whereas other people
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: they're like they're maybe they're scared or whatever. But it
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: usually comes off very quickly, and then the conversation, to
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: be honest, it wound up being like irrelevant. It's the
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: first like three seconds that I'm with somebody. And so
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: for you, I mean, I have no idea that relates.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: But are you like reading people and that's basically your
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: tell or are you constantly evaluating people, whether it's during
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: a performance or not, like in your life. Yes, are
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: you constantly evaluating like how do how does that work
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: for you?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: So thankfully the stakes are much lower for me, So
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I don't ever want to put myself on the category
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of a Navy seal defending our country. It's like what
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I'm doing is entertaining people, sure, and the skills don't generalize,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: So the next part is people just say, well, if
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: you're just good, why aren't you just winning millions of
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: dollars playing poker?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Why aren't you like catching you know, killers?
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: So it's because again this is under the guise of entertainment,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and the skills don't generalize very clear cut guessing.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Let's i'll give a great example. Let me do this
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: in a moment.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: But if I were to ask at the table and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: we're playing poker, just look at why you know the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: cards were because I have a series of things that
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I do procedures to narrow the options down and figure
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: out what you thought of that involve me being in charge.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Interesting, watch this.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Let's just play a fun game. Okay, picture not a
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: card trick, right enough, I had a deck of cards,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and I don't even have one. I could probably get
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: one out of a bag. And you don't have a
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: touch of cards cards, right You've never seen a deck
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: of cards today, have you? No? So when I was
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: a magician, we'd have to have a deck of cards
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: right now, and I would do the old pick one
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: card and you'd put it back and I'd find it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But I don't have a deck of cards. So let's
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: just pantomime this, because mentalism is about thoughts. I give
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: you an invisible deck, got it? You mix them up, John,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: shruffle them up. Let's see those skills.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: And now you take those cards and I want you
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: to do this. I want you to spread them out
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: in front of you, and spreading them out in front
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: of you means you can see all fifty two yep,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: and you could make a conscious decision, which some people
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: would say later, well, he someone influenced you.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: He used certain words. It's maybe use certain hand gestures.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Something was already planted in your mind so that you
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: would do my bidding. Okay, So I want to make
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: this even more impossible. Take the cards and close them
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: up again. Give one more shuffle, just to be safe.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And now you're gonna spread them face down, which means
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you can't see them, which means that right now, if
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I told you to reach down and pick any card,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: there's no way that you could be influenced because you
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: don't even know which one is. Now, I want you
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: to slowly reach down and maybe go to grab one
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and nap doesn't feel right, and you maybe jump to
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: another one next suit or this one. Just grab one
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: card at random. Now before you turn over, you grab
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: it out and in reinagreement. It's absolutely impossible that I
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: could know what you'd picked, because it's not real. It's
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: an invisible card that you haven't even turned over yet.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: You don't even know what it is.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yep.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So you drop the rest of the cards away, gone,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: and now something happens. It's interesting.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: You turn the card over, you look at it. Okay, okay,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: hold it up to picture that card right there?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Can you see it? Now? Watch?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't influence this in any way, did I. This
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: is your own choice one hundred and I say to
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you Hearts, Diamonds, Club, Spades. There's all the four suits,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: there's the high cards, the low cards, all of these
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: different cards. And you had said earlier, blackjack poker. Look
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: at that card. Imagine what it looks like. Imagine the jack,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Queen and king have more ink because they're very full.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: They've painted them versus for example, A two only has
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the two hearts, and they go all the way through.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And you know what you did.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: You decided because poker on the back of the box,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Ace's Spades is the card in your hand, isn't it?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: What that's crazy.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, space of spades invisible decking cards didn't exist, so
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that actually seems.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: That's thank you.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I changed my mind like four times I could tell
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you did I saw that, the shifting and the changing,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and you're like, I might go with the different you
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: would think of a different spade, he said, I'm gonna
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: go back.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: That has to do.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: That's crazy, it's crazy. I was actively trying to like
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: subvert you.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: But I can't do that at a poker tale because
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I can't just tell the guy in front of me,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: look at your two cars before we get the river,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: look at me, do this?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Do that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, screw you, and dude, I'm not
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: doing any of this. Get out of my face, put
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: on the sunglasses, rock and roll. So in my performance,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: i'm the director. I get to call the shots.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So it doesn't, unfortunately work with everything. If it did,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: it'd be amazing. But to answer your question, I'm not
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: living my life in like mode of like, well, that
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: guy I always think of it as in the Born
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Identity when he loses his memory and he's in that diningery.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: He doesn't know who he is yet he's like and
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: he tells the guy next to why do I know
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that guy's two fifty five and good fight?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Why do I know this? Why do I know that?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Right now?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I know the four license plates of the cars when
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I walked in? Why do I know all this stuff?
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And he's starting to dawn on him. He's like a
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: secret spy agent badass.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: So I think it's like into that where when I
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: turn it on, I'm hyper focused on what I do
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and my mission at hand, and the analyzing people very
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: quickly is very very similar to what you did, except
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: it's done for under the context of entertainment, which is
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: when I'm in a crowd, I'm looking around to see
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: who I think will be great for my next trick.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: When I'm performing this person right now, and if you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: ask me why was he so good? People will come
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: up to me at the end of the show and go,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: why didn't you pick me? And I got no offense
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to you. I just for whatever reason, And it's the intangible,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: it's the thirty years of training.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: You just weren't as good as them. Right now.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I thought they would deliver the best reaction and they
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: would mesh with what I wanted. Now in certain rooms,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I can't pick the person. You're on TV with three hosts,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you got to use those three hosts. You make the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: best of a situation. But when I have people to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: choose from, and if you see me at like a
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: live show, that's very exciting.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And the fact that you like throw frisbees. We pick
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: people randomly.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: If we're in like an arena, we shoot T shirts
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: like the a throw Who's got it?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Stand up? Please? And how could I know who catch
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the T shirt? How could I know who catch a frisbee?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: How could you know any of this stuff?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Then I work with those people, and that's what really
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: makes it real, because yo, that's anyone. This is some
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: drunk jerk who's like eight rows in, who's you know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: barely conscious.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: How in the world did you guess the name of
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: his first crush?
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I just I'm still sort of in shock that I
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: just did. So I'm like thinking through how how how
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: are you doing this? I don't I realized that that
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: there's more to it than like you do. Oh, here's
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I I was pretty good at The reason I was
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: the guy that did a lot of the questioning of
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: the people on sight is because I had decent perception.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: I was pretty good at figuring out who likely had
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: more information and it would like lead to weapons, cashes
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: and whatever. So it was just like basically, uh, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: was successful enough that I kept doing it, so I
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: was pretty perceptive.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But like I think you still are, well, thank you.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: But it's like to be able to break down beyond
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: a gut feeling to like specifics. It's just where we
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: we've talked about this thing that you do. When you're
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: making it out, you're very humble about it. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: you can learn how to do it whatever it is,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: but like.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I had to. Like again, I wasn't Spider Man,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: you know, bitten by a spider and radioactive, and like
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I changed. It's been trial and error, it's been iteration
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and the same thing that has allowed me to go
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: run one hundred and fifty three miles. That like, how
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: do you have children? We were talking about right when
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I walked in. We had a couple of minutes came
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: here from the airport talking about our kids. And you
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: want to instill a work ethic in your kids. It's
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: very interesting because being a parent, I think is my
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: most important job and I'm assuming that's like that's my immortality.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: It's like, who are they going to be? Because you see,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: if you have kids, you start to feel like I'm
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: going to die one day and this is my future
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: and their future, and it's like a really no greater.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Joy in life. But how do I instill a work
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: ethic in them?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Because my kids aren't going to grow up the same
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: as me, and I feeling I don't know what you're
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: beginning to remind we're very humble where I had to
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: work really hard and I was like age sixteen, I
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: was supporting myself, which I don't wish upon my kids.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: They'll never know what that means.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: But I lived on my own and I had to
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: pay for college and I had to find an apartment,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: and like, nobody paid for this stuff.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: So I had to figure life out early, which.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: At the time I felt kind of pissed because I'm like,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: all these other kids are going on vacation, they have
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: a car, their parents.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I don't have any of that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: But now, in hindsight, that set me up for success
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: in a huge way, and it made it so I
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: didn't have a safety net, so I had to become
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the safety net. And I think that there's a level
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: of that toughness you have to either create in yourself
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: if it's not and a lot of people are going
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: to have it because a lot of people listening to
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: this are you know, hustling, and they might not have
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: any of these things.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: So I think that deciding on a goal and.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Not giving up is so it's so much more important
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: than almost natural talent, skill, anything.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Is persistence.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: And you saying like, oh, I can't do this, there
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be that word in your vocabulary.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: You actually you said something going back to your Spartathlon
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: experience that actually really struck a chord with me. And
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I give you a quick story that I think relates,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: and I think that it plays into what you just said.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: So when you did not finish your Spartathlon race, yep,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: you came back and you obviously did it and you
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: successfully completed this. But you said something to the effect of,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: when I went into that second attempt, I was prepared
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: to basically die in order to complete this race. So
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: for me, I've had exactly that experience one time, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: it changed my life afterwards. When I was in seal training.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Everyone thinks the hard part is at the beginning of training.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: The famous sort of like hell week and you're running
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: around on the beach and you're beat down and you're tired.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: That's bad, not the hardest part. The hardest part comes
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: about halfway through training. It's a six month long course.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Halfway through you're in the underwater face and by this point,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: statistically virtually everybody in your class is going to graduate
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: despite the difficulty of this test. It's the moment you
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: all are literally forced to have. This moment horrifying. There's
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: this test called pool competency. It's it's they tell you,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: it's just this. You're just going through scuba tanks and
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: you know the instructors are going to come down there.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: You're in the nine foot section of the pool and
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: you're like crawling around and they're going to come down
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: and just kind of screw with you, and you're going
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: to follow procedures that you're taught to. Basically, after they've
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: finished tumbling you around and turning your air off, you
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: go back on your knees and they're watching you the
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: whole time, and you follow these steps. You reach back,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: you turn on your air, you check your j belt,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: you check your straps, make sure it's a three finger loop.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Pear you check your weight belt. I can still do
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: it now. But it's a procedure that no matter what
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: happens to you underwater, you reset, you follow the procedure.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: But each problem that they give you, whether it's tying
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: a knot in your hose or whatever it is, gets
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: progressively harder to fix. All fixable problems for twenty minutes,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: and so each time someone's come down on you, first
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: of all, as they're attacking you, you have to go
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: into the fetal position and just wait. You're not getting air.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: They're tumbling you around, so you're going about sixty seconds
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: to ninety seconds with no air. And then you need
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: to follow the procedure. So you can see you become
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: more and more hypercapnick you're not breathing. And it's this
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: test of staying calm and following the procedures despite literally
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: being on the precipice of passing out. Call it simulated drowning.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: This test, and you get four attempts at it, And
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: so I wanted and one of the things you got
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: to do is you gotta say calm. And so I
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: went in and I'm doing the test, failed it miserably
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: four times in a row. Wasn't even close, was not
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: even close, Like I actually was the guy that they
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: had to put a pink piece of tape around my ankle.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't even to humiliate me. It's I would
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: get so panicked I would push off the bottom of
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: the pool and go to the surface. But we're breathing
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: mixed gas and if you do that, you can risk
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: rupturing your lungs with air bubbles. So you have to
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: be kept that you have to go up at a
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: certain speed, and so there's like stand by divers there
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to keep me from panicking and rocketing to the surface.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: And so I failed four times in a row, and
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: as a result, I actually got rolled out of the
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: class I was in. I was with all my buddies
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: in there, like, look, we're going to give you one
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: more shot, and you're gonna leave this class, go to
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: the next class and you can try again with that class.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: And so I go to the next class six months
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: and actually it was just a couple months. They let
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: me start in the second phase. But so I go
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: into the next class and the thing is is the
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: students in this class, they've been through the hell week
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: and everything, and they know I'm.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Gonna roll back yep.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: And I sort of took on the role of like
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a mentor, like, yeah, I obviously failed
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: pool competents, we're all gonna take it here soon. But
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I really tried hard to be like a mentor, like
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: here's what I experienced. I obviously failed it, but let
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: me give you all the insights I can possibly give you.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: And everyone's looking at me like ow, John's got it,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: like yeah, he failed, but he's gonna be fine. And
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: so we get to test day and I failed the
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: first two attempts, not out of panic, out of procedural problems,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: and so I fail on Friday. There's two more attempts
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: left and it's on that Monday, and if I don't
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: pass them, not only will it humiliate me, but I'm
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: dropped from seal training. Yeah, that weekend was horrible because
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about this test. On Monday morning, I got
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: to the pool deck and I was so nervous all
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: weekend and I'm sitting on the pool deck. They make
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: you sit with your back to the pool, and they
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: made me go last that day, and I'm hearing the
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: instructors like ripping kids' hoses you like air bubbling up
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: off the pool. Kids are like passing out, like redline
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: and Medic's running over. It's chaos and you're just sitting
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: there waiting for your turn. And then when it was
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: my turn, I just had this mental shift occur work.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, I'm gonna fucking die in
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: that pool before I fail this test.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: And I got in the water and it was like
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: calm comes over me and I begin this test and
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: it didn't matter how long I went without air, it
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: didn't matter what the problem was. I had fully committed
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: to this concept of I will literally die before I
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: fail this test. Yeah, and I passed and it was
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: so easy. And it showed me that like there is
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: a there's a point where you can convince yourself that
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: your mind can sort of override all the discomfort and
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: you can basically do whatever you want. And you described
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: when you went and did the spartathle on the second
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: time that feeling of I will die before I don't
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: finish this race one hundred percent, and sure enough you
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: did it. And so do you think that's something everybody
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: can achieve? That level of I will go full send
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: no matter what, because I think for you, clearly, you
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: put yourself in pressure situations and you just go for it.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Like I feel like maybe that's something that we have
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: that others don't, or do you think that anyone can
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: tap into that.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: That's such a tough question because so hard to speak
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: for other people and where mental toughness comes from. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I think you build it up over time. I don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: think you're born with it at all, or those failures
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: that reinforce later. Had you gotten it on the first try,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: where would you be today? Isn't that a funny question
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: to ask yourself? Would you still be this person? So
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: when I came back the second time, I had this
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: guy who I saw at mile like I don't remember
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: what mile it was, probably was I finished I DNF
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: at seventy eight, but it is this bold dude. I
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: think it was like from Eastern Europe. He's wearing this
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: thing and we're in the middle of the night.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Now I'm a wreck.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I'm a wreck bro like, just been puking maybe one
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: hundred times, and now I'm writing my DNF speech, which,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: in the parlance of ultra marathonings, did not finish. They
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: don't write a time next to your name they write DNF,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: which is so embarrassing and just kills you. And so
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I've already written my speech what I'm gonna tell my
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: wife when I went to Greece and spent all this
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: money and my friends were like, dude, how'd you do
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: on that race?
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And you got to like you got to eat it
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: and tell everyone, well, oh.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: You know, you gotta have that sort of like I'm
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: gonna learn from this experience and I'm gonna come back
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: strong like all that bullshit that I you know, no,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: you should have finished. And so I see this guy
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm I'm already talking all this suff like, oh man,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I don't have it today. I don't wear an AID
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: station together the middle of the night, we haven't slept
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: all night. And this guy looks at me. He doesn't
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: really understand English. In his eyes he's these crazy eyes,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: but they're open. I'll never forget it. He looked at
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: me and he goes, He goes.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: If you cannot run, you walk.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: If you cannot walk, you crawl, but you never you
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: never stopped, like he like like a cycle, like a
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: zombie apocalypse.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And in the moment I couldn't digest it, right, I couldn't.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I couldn't.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I couldn't take that and bottle it up and shoot
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: it in my vein. But slowly after I left.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I couldn't.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: It haunted me because this guy like that's that, what
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: he had in his eyes is what I need to
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: have the next year. And so that like slowly worked
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: into my DNA, And when I got there, I was
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you on that attempt. When I started, there was no
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: doubt there was it was there. There's no doubt. I
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: am finishing this thing no matter what. And when the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: voice enters my head that says you aren't finishing. What
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: are you talking about? You don't exist? Gone, we go
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: right back to the mindset I'm hard and steel titanium,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: where I'm finishing, no matter what. If that means I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: walking the next twenty four hours puking with a splint
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: on my leg, I'm finishing this race because now this
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: is life or death.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: That's incredible. Yeah, it's funny. I rarely meet people that
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: have had a comparable experience to what I described with
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: pool comp but it's so clear, like for you, this
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: is such a defining moment. And so if people understand
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: that in their own lives, that if you had to,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: if you had to, if your thing is, oh man,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I really want to start a business. Oh man, I
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: really want to run a spartackle on or be a seal,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: or whatever it is. Whatever someone's goal is, however big
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: or small, if the stakes were as big as they
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: could possibly be, you could do it right or you
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: could die trying. That's the level of commitment that some
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: people need to understand goes into success. It's a compounding effect.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: As soon as I became a seal, it showed me
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: that I now have the capacity to set big goals
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: and to achieve them, not be someone who claims to
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: want to do things but then write the DNF story
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: of why I never actually did it right.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: And that knowledge that exact way you said, the knowledge
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: that you did it now changes the way your mind
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: is wired, because now you go, oh my god, what
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: else could I do? And now if I set my
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: mind to it, you start to believe in yourself in
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: a certain way, and that becomes self fulfilling. So I think,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: for whatever people do again, if it's a inspirational messaging,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: my book is designed to be motivational, but it's designed
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: to be action oriented, like I want to teach people.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I'll hold it up while you're talking how to take action.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: So like literally the words I use and I thought
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: about slot was proven habits for success because a lot
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: of people that think you're gonna get this book is
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: that I'm gonna teach you magic tricks or mentalism tricks.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And the real talk is you can find those elsewhere.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: So the book is not going to teach you tricks.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I just I need everyone to know because they're gonna
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: buy me. Like, dude, where do you teach me what?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow? How is you throwing the ball?
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I go, I'm not going to teach you how I
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: do the tricks. But knowing what somebody who might have
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: control of your life, knowing when to approach your boss,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: what to say, and how to get the rays that
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: you've been working for last two years. What if you
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: could do that and up your chances by ten twenty
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: thirty forty percent of doing that and getting them to
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: do what you want.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: That to me is worth a couple bucks. That's worth your.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Time, which is even more valuable in the amount of
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: money for the book to read it. And we got
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun stories baked in there as well
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: from my crazy life.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: This book really captures the essence of someone who has
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: put themselves in highly stressful situations and persevered, and they've
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: lived a life of basically pretending that everything is a
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: must succeed and how to basically, you know, harness your
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: mind and in some ways, you know, learn how to
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: read other people and influence other people. But this is
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: a very powerful I'm going to call it a self
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: help book because to me, this is like practically a
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: bible of how to motivate and how to be the
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: best version of yourself. So this is an amazing book.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: You got to check it out.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Reading Mind, your fellow Navy seal David Goggins gave me
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the quote on the top, which says, learn to master
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the most powerful weapon, your mind, which encapsulates what the
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: entire book is all about, which is your mind controls
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: your success. Whatever success is defined for you, which for
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: everyone is different. Maybe it's monetary, maybe it's romantic, maybe
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: it's want to have kids, Maybe I just want to
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: do something I'm not doing now. And how do you
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: get from step A to B two C. And I
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: know that sounds so silly, but in almost every instance,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: other people are involved in that journey. And my whole
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: training has been how to win over people, how to
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: know what they're thinking, how to influence them right, how
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: to get rid of the fear of rejection and failure,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: which is a huge part of my book, which is
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: mostly what holds people back.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: That is such a huge factor.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: And I learned that at a young age doing like
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: restaurant magic and all those little things.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I learned how to iterate and improve. I want to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: give you.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Decades of the mistakes I made, but I want to
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: distill out of the what you can do.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: To fast track your success.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, John, If I told
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: you right now, okay, if the book is in your
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: hand yep, and I were to ask you to flip
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: to any page you wanted impulses spontaneous in my book,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: any page you wanted, and look at it and then
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: pick any word, and then I try to guess the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: word on the surface. That seems crazy, right, that seem amazing.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: But I'm watching this like somebody at home, and I
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: want to go to the skeptic, not the normal person,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: but the outlier, the one out of one hundred. He
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: goes yo, but he he wrote the book. I wrote
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the book. So what if I have a photographic memory.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: What if I know it's on every single page, and
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: if I could see what page around I could say, right,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: that could have happened. That's a plausible but very improbable solution.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: So what if instead of doing that, because this is
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: my book, can we just see this room? This is
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: not this is by the way, shout out to your team, sick.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: The setup here is incredible. It is for this interview amazing.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I've been a lot of interviews and this might take
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the cake hundreds, hundreds and hundreds of books, probably thousands.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: So if I were to instead ask you to walk
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: up to any one of these books, not not physically
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: but mentally. If I would have said, walk up to
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: any book in this room, grab it, walk up, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I want you to flip it open to any page,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: to look at that page, and to go back and
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: forth and today and stop at any word. Can you
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: see this happening in your close your eyes, in your
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: mind's I envision that occurring?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Did you just play it out?
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, open your eyes, be honest, right, These people trust you,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: they've seen you for years. This is in stage.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: This isn't set up.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: There is no conceivable way I could know what you
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: would have done.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: You didn't even know what you were gonna do before
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I asked you to. Yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Fair.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: When people flip, some people will find a specific page
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: that has a meaning to them, like maybe a kid's birthday.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's January twenty fourth, you gouda won twenty four
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to be fun about it. Or some people just flip
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: to a random page. Now watch, I watched to see
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: the reaction. I don't think you've got nostalgic personal reference
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the page you picked.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have a meaning to you, does it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: No?
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't think so. I didn't see it that way.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I also see it as when you just flip, you
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: go am stop. You were quick, You felt rushed, so
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: you rushed.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I could see it. You feel a little tense.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: So some people would and they would have gone longer
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: in the book. Again, you don't have to tell me this.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Do we have a marker? Do you have something we
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: can write with? I have a pen, A pen?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna close is that your pen?
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: It is okay?
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna close my eyes, and I want you to
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: do this close to your body and on the palm
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: of your hand, and make sure there's no way I
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: could see this and there's no camera behind you.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Does it right? Does the pen right?
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna close my eyes on the palm of
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: your hand with no camera, nothing behind you, right as
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: big as you can.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: What page number you went to in the book? When
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: you're done, blow on it, put it close to your chest.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody could have seen that? Correct?
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Correct?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Okay? Can I open my eyes?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: My gut says again, I'm fishing. Did I get a bite? Yes,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I reel it in. I think you went with an
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: earlier page, my gut says, because I've.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Seen what you would do. I think it was two digits.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Now, I ask myself, look at the smile to laugh.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: You might as well say yes, So I keep going.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It's so unlikely that you would have done the first
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: thirty or forty pages because it too you can't even
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: flip the page. You open a book and you go,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: it's already off your thumb before I be you not.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: A page fifty?
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: So now what feels like a what feels like a
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: number that's got like some text but not? And I
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: think that you would have done right. The backward had
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: a couple buttons open, showing some chest hair. He is
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: more of an odd type of guy than an even
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: you're not to buy the book. I think you might
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: have thought of the number chuckled and been like inappropriate,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: So you wouldn't have done sixty nine, even though it's
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: so funny. You did sixty seven, didn't you? Can we
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: see your hand is the number sixty seven?
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, that's insane. What dude?
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: How any book, any page, but any word is in
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: your infinite I don't want you to write anything. People
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: are gonna say, he's got a trick hand, he's got
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: a trick pen.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: This is your stuff.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Don't write down a thing, whatever word you saw in
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: your mind in a book, not a real book you imagine.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Throw the pen away.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I want you to count without using your fingers out
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: using your fingers to count the number of letters to yourself,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: not allowed in the words you selected, Just to yourself.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Count it to yourself. Don't say it all out at
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the end. Some people, right when they get it, they
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: say it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: No, maybe not the double check.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Hold up, Oh, don't even say that. Now you gave
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: so much away. The double check is always an indicator
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: of a longer word. No one double checks the word
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: open your eyes. No one double checks the word that's
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: five letters or less. No one, So now we know
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: it's longer. Also, you probably would have done a longer word.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Nobody does. And the he shee if under this level
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: of pressure, no way, we're balling, baby.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I think he did a longer word. I think this place.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: It's got this ambiance of like gravity, and and you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: some of these books are probably hundreds of years old.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, think of the word you counted twice.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I most people when they count the second, they realized
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: they got it wrong. And they realize, oh crap, I
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: count of wrong the first time. And you did that.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: But they usually count longer and then shorter. And that's
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: what you did. And my gut says you were like, no, no,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: you thought it was nine, but it's actually eight.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Letters, isn't it.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Happened in your mind. That's not even. And imagine that
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: you write down the word. You're not gonna write a thing.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I want this to be all on your mind. You
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: write down eight letters like hang man yep.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: You reach over and you just go back and forth,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: and you don't know why, but you stop on one
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: letter and you circle that one letter.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: You circle one letter somewhere in the word. Did you
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: do it? In the word? Is? How?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I q you when I say that, almost nobody does
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: the first letter. The first letter will give away the
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: rest of the word for a lot of people. And
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: then also Ian makes it feel like should be in between.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: You didn't do the first letter, did you?
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: No? See, I was trying to guide you.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: And then a lot of people will avoid the vowels
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: because we know there's valels.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: You didn't do a vowel, did you?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: So again we're going down that path and now you
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: jump back and forth.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: You were like, do I do this one?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: And my gut said you were about to do a
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: letter and you jumped over the letter you're thinking of. No,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's not in the word more than once?
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Is it? M?
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: It is?
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: It is right? It is because you jump between.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: The two of them.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: And what's weird is the first letter you were about
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to circle, but you didn't. You were gonna do a
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: T and you didn't. You're thinking of an S.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Aren't you swear to them? There's no setup here. This
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: is not stage. You really literally, we.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Have a book, a room with hundreds of books, thousands
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: of books. You imagine your mind picking one up, opening
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: it up and going to any word.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Close your eyes. Can you cover them with your hand? Please?
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I want to show them at home because people will
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: say later that I changed when I wrote somehow is
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: as recovered? Can we see this from any camera or no?
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Have we seen one?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Open your eyes? What are you picturing in your mind?
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: You flipped an invisible book to page sixty seven, You
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: saw hundreds of words stopped.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: One of them jumped out at you. What was that word?
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Chastise?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Chastise?
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Oh dude, it's such a random word. That's crazy. This
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: is not stage. This is crazy. That's crazy. I picked
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: that because that's the most bizarre word I could think of.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. Man. I don't even know what to say.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like looking at other people. Look, I don't even
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: know stuposed to do? That is uh? I gotta be honest,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what to say. I'm shocked. That's
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: I knew you probably would be able to do this,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: but this is this is not set up. But he
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: walked in and within two minutes we were filming. This
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: is uh, this is I'm blown away.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Create memorable moments that people take and the stories they tell.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: And you could chastise me, but you've got a story
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: that's going to live in your brain for a while.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: That's my that's my goal. Is I just put a
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: splinter in your brain. You're gonna try to pick out
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: for years and make how did he know how? And
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna do pay sixty seven? I did that
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: the last minute.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I changed.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: That is so wild? Did you what was like your
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: first time doing this, like your first big moment of
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: big trick with a big audience, and you nailed it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: So I think certain things in life can't be bought
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: but have to be earned the same way when you
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: were in sales training, there's no there's no check you
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: can write to get that right, So certain things in
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: life you really have to earn. And so I when
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: I did that show America's Got talent. Yeah, I never
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: expected to go as far as I did.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I was truly.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: This isn't like oh this false humility. Every round I
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: was in, I gave it my all and I didn't
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: think what I'm gonna do next. It's just like when
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: I hear wide receivers who at tight ends when they say,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: what do you focus on when the ball gets thrown
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: your way catching it? You do not think of what
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: you're gonna do after you catch the ball or you
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: drop the ball. And so my mindset every single time
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: was this, I'm gonna just do everything I can in
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: this round, kill it, and that's it. I never see
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: and then there was no end then, which I think
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: is a powerful thing to do because as soon as
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: start thinking and then you start getting hung up and
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: you drop the ball.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: So where do I go with this? Every round?
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: At the end of it, it was the highs and
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: lows were insane because the eyes like I.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Just made it through.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: The lows were like, oh crap, I didn't plan where
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do next round, which might be in a
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: week or two. It's got to be better than this.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: So it was like these two mixed emotions. So when
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I got to the finale, the finale, this was like
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: the heyday of the show. In linear TV, which now
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: people like TV. Where do I watch TV?
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Online?
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: This is when like fifteen million people would tune in
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: live radio sitting mus called live that means I am
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: on a stage radio sitting, there's six thousand people in
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: the audience, and this is airing to everyone live, which
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: means if you screw up, ain't no safety net. You
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: don't get caught, you don't go to go cut, cut cut,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: it's not going right. So if chastise isn't the word,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: if you didn't think of the letter as if and
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: none of those things happened, I can't get out of it.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: So my finale, that was one of those moments that
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: was life changing.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe it. Believe it. So you've accomplished so
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: much and you clearly are somebody that is taking big swings.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Like you've said, do you have any sort of like
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: bucket list life items that still or like I really
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: want to accomplish that at some point.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: It's funny you think that, because I think I'm just
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: starting so like in my mind, I'm so forward facing.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: And it's something I tell myself on a regular basis
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: to like live in the moment because it's always like,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: what's the next thing, what's.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: The next thing?
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: And that's a problem in life because when you do
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: earn certain things or have like pinch me moments, I've
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: pinched me moments where I'm like in the room with
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg or lebron and like you just have this
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: moment of like, dude, just think back to you twenty
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: years ago, if you can go in a time machine
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: meet yourself, like Marty mcfliny, like you're not gonna believe
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna do in ten years or twenty years.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of things.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Having my own series, I'm so excited about that that's
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: been years and years and years in the making of
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: having not just all these clips that you.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: See, yep, but a show that you get to see.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Who I am, not just what I do, right, so
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: you get to get a feeling for like when am I?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Who am I? What makes me tick?
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: And hopefully the book too, which is for years something
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel confident to write a book because I'm like,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: what story do I have to tell?
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I do these cool tricks, that's awesome, But I start
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: to really see that I think some of the things
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: that I do in my life that are surrounding the
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: mentalism are the actual hidden tricks and tips for success.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: This whole thing mentalism is very fresh and new. It's
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: been around for one hundred plus years, but I think
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: people are just getting this awareness of it. And it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: because of the sports team, It's because of these things,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: but they're starting to see like, this isn't magic, this
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: is really cool and different and it captivates people's imaginations.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to elevate the field, not just for
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: myself but like the other people.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: That do it. It's kind of like the rising titleists
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: all ships.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: It's good for my industry, it's good for us, and
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: it makes what I do like cool and innovative, and
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I like the fact that I'm being tied to it
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: where I want to be the name brand for this art.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: When you ask somebody in five years, who's your favorite mentalist?
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: If you ask in that today, the question is what's
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: a mentalist in five years?
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: If I've done my job right.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: The instant and answer that question, you mean you mean like,
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  Speaker 2: oh's the mentalist? Like the Google, the Kleenex that you create,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: the moniker in the brand because you've aligned yourself so
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: closely with what this is that people associate you with it.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, On that note, where's your book? That's amazing. We're
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: going to make sure that If you want more insights
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: from the world's greatest mentalist, check out Read Your Mind.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: It's his new book by Ois Pearlman. Uh. This is incredible.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: It has all those tips, tricks, secrets, mental hacks, you
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: name it. You got to go check it out. Thank
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: you so much for being on here. It's been a
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  Speaker 3: child pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks you, Ava, Thank.
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  Speaker 3: You seriously mind blown. This is this is I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know what this is. Chastise sixty seven crazy. Thank you, Els,
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  Speaker 3: you got it.