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Sharri | 3 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thanks Andrew first tonight to the disturbing new details about
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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old boy who police say was influenced
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Speaker 1: by a salad bar of ideology and allegedly had plans
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Speaker 1: to carry out a church as christ church terror attack
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Speaker 1: on home soil. It culminated in the alleged stabbing of
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Speaker 1: a student at a university yesterday. I'll have more details
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Speaker 1: about this in a moment, but first we need to
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Speaker 1: have a frank discussion in this country about the line
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Speaker 1: between mental illness and children and online radicalization and what
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Speaker 1: we are doing about it to protect.
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Speaker 2: Kids and of course the community.
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Speaker 1: It's a line that authorities say has crossed over as
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Speaker 1: they scramble to deal with the threat. Experts say not
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Speaker 1: enough is being done when it comes to early intervention
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Speaker 1: of children with significant mental health problems. Now we can't
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Speaker 1: tiptoe around the matter as our most vulnerable are being
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Speaker 1: targeted online by extremists and the warnings have been there
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Speaker 1: for some time. Here was AFP Commissioner Rhyese Kershaw addressing
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Speaker 1: National Press Club only three months ago.
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Speaker 3: Some of our children and other vulnerable people are being
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Speaker 3: bewitched online by a cauldron of extremist poison.
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Speaker 2: On the open and dark web.
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Speaker 1: In this latest incident, a fourteen year old has been
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Speaker 1: arrested over the alleged stabbing of a student at the
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Speaker 1: University of Sydney. Now we know more details about his history.
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Speaker 1: The teenager had allegedly planned to carry out a christ
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Speaker 1: Church style terror attack at a school here in Australia.
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Speaker 1: He had been charged over those terror plans, but they
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Speaker 1: were dismissed in a children's court on mental health grounds
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Speaker 1: in February. He was then put into a deradicalization program.
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Speaker 1: But less than five months later, the teen allegedly stabbed
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Speaker 1: a twenty two year old on campus grounds at the
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Speaker 1: university yesterday. And here is a CCTV image of the
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Speaker 1: alleged defender in full camouflage a broad brim camouflage hat
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Speaker 1: and black boots as he leaves the university following.
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Speaker 2: The alleged attack. Now the New South.
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Speaker 1: Wales Joint Counter Terrorism Committee has now taken over this investigation. However,
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Speaker 1: it has not been declared a terror attack as a
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Speaker 1: motive or ideology has not been determined.
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Speaker 4: It's also known as the sort of salad bar of ideologies. People.
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Speaker 4: A lot of these vulnerable people, they're not linked into
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Speaker 4: one particular ideology, they will move as they're exposed to
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Speaker 4: different things. You know, it might be a white supremacist,
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Speaker 4: neo Nazi, It can easily flip into a religious ideation.
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Speaker 1: The Daily Telegraph reports the boy had a close interest
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Speaker 1: in controversial commentator Andrew Tait, who has made headlines for
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Speaker 1: his extreme views on women and masculinity. Concerns about the
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old's behavior were reported by community members to
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Speaker 1: government authorities.
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Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph says he has.
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Speaker 1: Been homeschooled ever since his alleged plans for a terror
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Speaker 1: attack on home soil, and it's also now been revealed
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Speaker 1: the teenager was last year on a wait list to
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Speaker 1: be assessed for autism for his family to be able
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Speaker 1: to access further support.
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Speaker 2: Putting aside this case.
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Speaker 1: What are we doing to help children who have been
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Speaker 1: identified as having significant mental health issues and a vulnerable
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Speaker 1: to radicalization?
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Speaker 2: Our authority is taking it.
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Speaker 1: Seriously enough and is there enough support being given? Howard
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Speaker 1: Brown is a victims of crime advocate. He had this
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Speaker 1: to say today about challenges authorities are facing when it
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Speaker 1: comes to early intervention.
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Speaker 5: We're not doing enough and one of the reasons why
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Speaker 5: we're not doing enough is because civil libertarians say, look,
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Speaker 5: you're talking about a fourteen year old child. You cannot
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Speaker 5: place that person in custody because you're impinging upon their
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Speaker 5: civil rights.
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Speaker 4: And look in your custody, you're not going in a slammer.
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Speaker 6: You're talking about something.
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Speaker 5: I'm talking about in a forensic hospital now. And that's
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Speaker 5: the big difference.
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Speaker 1: And are we serious about community safety or not and
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Speaker 1: the safety of children. It's a problem federal police are
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Speaker 1: urgently dealing with. They are now working with autism experts
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Speaker 1: to try and stem the number of young people with
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Speaker 1: the disorder being radicalized online by violent extremists. The AFP
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Speaker 1: would not provide figures on the number of young people
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Speaker 1: neurodivergent or not being radicalized, but have seen an increase
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Speaker 1: in under sixteens on a path to radicalization or demonstrating
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Speaker 1: concerning behaviors since July twenty twenty one, with some planning
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Speaker 1: attacks at schools on students and teachers, or looking to
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Speaker 1: make explosives or use weapons. In May, a sixteen year
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Speaker 1: old Caucasian boy was shot dead by police in Perth after.
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Speaker 2: Stabbing a man in a Bunnings car park.
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Speaker 1: Police say he had self ready collies to Islam after
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Speaker 1: watching extremist content online and was understood to have suffered
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Speaker 1: significant mental health issues. He too had taken part in
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Speaker 1: a de radicalization program, and despite the allegation that this
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Speaker 1: is now the second failed deradicalization in a matter of months,
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Speaker 1: the federal government is confident the programs are working.
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Speaker 6: We are seeing some really concerning trends in the presentation
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Speaker 6: of terrorism in our country, and in fact these are
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Speaker 6: global trends. We're seeing a proliferation of ideologies that are
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Speaker 6: driving people to violence. We have a strong history in
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Speaker 6: our country of being able to prevent terrorist attacks, and
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Speaker 6: for every incident of violence we see, there are many
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Speaker 6: many that are prevented by our police and our intelligence agencies.
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Speaker 6: So I'm confident these programs do have some effect, but
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Speaker 6: we need to stay really focused on making sure that
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Speaker 6: we're attacking the problem with everything we've got.
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Speaker 1: But authorities say it highlights a more dangerous trend.
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Speaker 7: Highlights I guess crossover between mental illness and radicalization.
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Speaker 8: It's an interesting area.
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Speaker 5: It's a challenging area, but we've seen a rise.
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Speaker 8: Of incidents in recent times that everyone's aware of it.
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Speaker 7: But we need to make sure that we understand what
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Speaker 7: our children are looking at online and to information they're digesting.
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Speaker 1: Australia has a real challenge on its hands. It's a
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Speaker 1: new frontier and mental health is at the center. Sure
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Speaker 1: we can't use mental health as an excuse for everything,
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Speaker 1: but if children self radicalizing, in other words, they're sitting
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Speaker 1: in front of a screen, then there are serious issues there. Well,
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Speaker 1: the problems just keep getting worse and worse for the
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Speaker 1: bubbling Joe Biden, following that disastrous debate performance where he
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Speaker 1: malfunctioned from the moment he walked on stage, legendary journalist
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Speaker 1: Carl Bernstein, who broke the Watergate scandal, claims mister Biden
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Speaker 1: has suffered as many as twenty mental breakdowns to his
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Speaker 1: shaky effort against the former president, that there.
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Speaker 9: Have been numerous instances where the President has lost his
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Speaker 9: train of thought can't pick it up again. There was
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Speaker 9: a fundraiser at which he started at the podium and
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Speaker 9: then he became very stiff, according to the people there,
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Speaker 9: as if it were almost a kind of rigor mortis.
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Speaker 2: Oh dear, not a good look, though.
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Speaker 1: I think we have some more recent vision of this
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Speaker 1: riga mortis. Joe and Sadly, there's more.
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Speaker 10: With the COVID I could be with dealing with everything
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Speaker 10: we have to do.
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Speaker 2: With how do you address concerns about your capability to
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Speaker 2: handle the toughest job in the world, well into your eighties.
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Speaker 10: Went I went to South Korea. I convinced some to
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Speaker 10: invest billions of dollars here in the United States and there.
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Speaker 10: Guess what those fabs they call that to build these
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Speaker 10: chips to for the ability.
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Speaker 2: For the Oh, it gets worse every time.
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Speaker 1: Now, the White House has held a press briefing for
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Speaker 1: the first time since that debate.
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Speaker 2: One reporter asked a fair question.
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Speaker 1: Does President Biden, at eighty one years old, have Alzheimer's
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Speaker 1: any form of dementia or degenerative illness that causes these
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Speaker 1: sorts of lapses. But according to Kareem Genperre, it can
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Speaker 1: all simply be put down too.
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Speaker 2: It was a bad Nate.
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Speaker 1: It is not uncommon for incumbents to have a bad
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Speaker 1: nate on their first debate.
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Speaker 2: Just to take a step back, it was a bad Nate. Oh,
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Speaker 2: it was more than just a bad night.
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Speaker 1: No spin is going to cover up the fact that
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Speaker 1: the president is a very sick, frail old man who
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Speaker 1: needs to be in a nursing home. He's been completely exposed.
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Speaker 1: Now the White House can no longer save Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: from himself.
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Speaker 2: He's cooked. A House Democrat lawmaker has.
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Speaker 1: Become the first in the party to publicly call for
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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden to step down. Lloyd Doggett said Biden
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Speaker 1: should make the painful and difficult decision to withdraw. And
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Speaker 1: just as Democrats agree they have to replace this guy,
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Speaker 1: they are reminded that the vice president is just as bad.
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Speaker 1: Here's Kamala Harris's latest campaign video where she starts getting
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Speaker 1: jiggy with it with an American actress to try and
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Speaker 1: win over black votes.
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Speaker 2: So let's sign your mind.
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Speaker 8: Oh, Madam VP Harris, I'm worried about the election. Women's
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Speaker 8: reproductive rights are on the line, Our.
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court is on the line.
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Speaker 11: Our basic freedoms are being tested.
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Speaker 2: Madam VP.
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Speaker 8: I know you've been sure having across the country.
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Speaker 3: What are you hearing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, girl, I'm out here in these streets. What she's
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Speaker 2: out here on the streets.
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Speaker 1: It's shivers up your spine level cringe that Democrats are imploding.
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Speaker 2: Oh, and there's more to come.
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden will star in his first television interview after
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Speaker 1: the debate disaster this weekend, where he will be interviewed
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Speaker 1: in the US by ABC host George Stephanopoulos, a presenter
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Speaker 1: currently being sued by Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: But guess what. It won't beg live.
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Speaker 1: It's pre recorded, and you know what that means. It
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Speaker 1: can be manipulated, making the President look all shiny and new.
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Speaker 1: Also this hour, Liberal Senator Dave Scharmel will join me
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Speaker 1: on this alarming rise in extremism. Also tonight, Senator Fatima
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Speaker 1: Payman said to quit the Labor Party within days, the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister all but confirming she's got a foot out
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Speaker 1: the door already, and King Charles kicks off Royal Way
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Speaker 1: ahead of the UK's mammoth election. We'll cross live to
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Speaker 1: London for the latest, but first let's bring in my panel,
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Speaker 1: former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor
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Speaker 1: Minister Graham Richardson. Hi to you both, Thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for joining us.
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Speaker 2: I want to start here with Joe Biden.
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Speaker 1: Michael, how can the White House simply now turn it around,
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Speaker 1: try and spin it saying it was a bad night.
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Speaker 12: Well, look, Fox and Sky here and GB News and
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Speaker 12: Sky in Britain are to be congratulated for telling the
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Speaker 12: truth about Biden, and shame on those sender left and
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Speaker 12: left media organizations who pretended there was for two years
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Speaker 12: there was anything wrong with him. But look, Denika, a
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Speaker 12: number of us on SKIS, you know, I've been predicting
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Speaker 12: that Biden wouldn't be the candidate. I know Rowan Dean
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Speaker 12: has been, Peter Kretlin has been, But let me be
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Speaker 12: the first to announce that Biden is not going to
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Speaker 12: be running. He's going to pull out either before most
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Speaker 12: likely before at the convention or if he wins the
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Speaker 12: convention within a couple of months. He's not running. He's finished.
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Speaker 12: He's out. It's not possible to carry this man with
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Speaker 12: pre recorded interviews, et cetera, c between now and November,
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Speaker 12: particularly when people work out that if they elect him
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Speaker 12: as president, he's president until the twentieth of January twenty
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Speaker 12: twenty nine. He's president till January twenty nine, and that
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Speaker 12: is horrifying. Look, he's not running. Biden's finished. He's going
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Speaker 12: to withdraw. And I know he doesn't know that, and
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Speaker 12: Julle doesn't know that yet, but that's what's going to happen.
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Speaker 12: You've got two groups in the Democratic Party. You've got
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Speaker 12: the Bidens and the people around the Bidens, these faceless
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Speaker 12: people who are running America, who knows who they are?
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Speaker 12: And then you've got everyone else. So the ninety five
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Speaker 12: percent of the Democratic Party biding their tongue hoping he withdraws,
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Speaker 12: but you know, the tap stripping and he's finished. He's
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Speaker 12: going to withdraw. I think there's only a five percent
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Speaker 12: chance that Biden will go on to the election. I've
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Speaker 12: never thought he was going to go to the election.
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Speaker 12: I've never thought he's going to be the candidate. He's
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Speaker 12: got the numbers, he think, says no, I'm staying, they
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Speaker 12: can't get rid of him. But he's going to go.
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Speaker 12: He's going to withdraw. So it's good night to him.
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Speaker 12: And now the next question is who's taking over, and
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Speaker 12: that looks likely to be the vice president.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, this is the problem that they've got.
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Speaker 1: I mean, who else really is there? We've got Kamala Harris,
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Speaker 1: she's out there, Graham Richardson making a.
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Speaker 2: Complete mockery of herself.
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Speaker 1: As I've just shown, they're desperate, They've got nobody else.
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Speaker 1: They're basically stuck now with the vice president. In the
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Speaker 1: event that the president does actually withdraw.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think the president has to withdraw. I can't
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Speaker 3: see how a bloke who doesn't know what room he's
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Speaker 3: in can keep being the president of the United States,
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Speaker 3: have the most powerful job in the world. Have his
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Speaker 3: finger on the button, he doesn't know what button is.
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Speaker 3: And I just think it's so sad because if you
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Speaker 3: look at his career, he's had to sell a career.
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Speaker 3: Biden almost fifty years of public life, and it's remarkable.
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Speaker 3: And I think you know, he's made a tremendous contribution.
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Speaker 3: But for all of us, there comes a time when
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Speaker 3: your contribution is over and his is well and truly put.
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Speaker 3: He needs to just go, and the Democrats need to
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Speaker 3: get some balls and get rid of him. If he
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Speaker 3: won't go, they have to do something dramatic. They can't
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Speaker 3: just sit back and allow this dottery old bugger to
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Speaker 3: try and pretend he can run America.
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Speaker 1: Now your spot on, Absolutely it's time for him to go.
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Speaker 1: Stop the embarrassment. It's becoming elder abuse. Now, it's just
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Speaker 1: ridiculous to keep the circus going. Look, let's return back
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Speaker 1: home now.
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Speaker 12: Just before you go on, you know, just go back
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Speaker 12: to who would replaced by it? Well, because this is
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Speaker 12: the other half of the equation, and he goes who
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Speaker 12: replaces him, Well, the most senior person is the vice president.
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Speaker 12: She's far more senior than Gretchen Whitmar, who's a governor.
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Speaker 12: How could they argue that Whitmar should get the job
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Speaker 12: above the vice president? You can't, Gavin News some's unelectable.
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Speaker 12: In California, there are two Democrats who are more senior
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Speaker 12: than Harris, and they are Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama.
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Speaker 12: But Clinton's I think past it, and Michelle Obama's never
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Speaker 12: shown any incollation that she wants to run, which leads
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Speaker 12: me to the conclusion that shocking show she is and
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Speaker 12: she'll be thrashed by Trump. It looks like Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well they're stuffed then either way. It's not a
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Speaker 2: good situation to.
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Speaker 1: Be And look, let's return to home matters now. Because
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Speaker 1: a renowned Australian businessman, Dick Smith, has hit out at
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Speaker 1: industry operators such as the CSIRO and AEMO, accusing them
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Speaker 1: of being misleading and completely biased against nuclear This is
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Speaker 1: what he said.
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Speaker 13: I believe it's the only answer we've got to reduce
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Speaker 13: carbon in the atmosphere. I don't think it's possible to
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Speaker 13: do it right throughout the world without using nuclear You've
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Speaker 13: got to use everything you've got. I'm pro renewables, but
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Speaker 13: renewables alone and Bacty's storage will be phenomenally expensive.
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Speaker 1: Graham, why won't Labour even consider the nuclear objectively as
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Speaker 1: what Dick Smith has called for here?
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Speaker 2: Because we're stuck.
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Speaker 3: We're stuck in an old ideology that we've held dear
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Speaker 3: to our hearts for years and years, and we just
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Speaker 3: don't know how to say, well, might have been applicable
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Speaker 3: twenty years ago, but it's a load of crap now,
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Speaker 3: let's get rid of it. We just don't seem to
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Speaker 3: know how to do it. And I'm hoping, really hoping
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Speaker 3: that Albo gathers himself and stands up in the next
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Speaker 3: few week months and just says it's finished. We're out,
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Speaker 3: because really we are looking very, very very old when
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Speaker 3: it comes to policy.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's an interesting insight then, from you, Graham. As
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Speaker 1: a former labor minister, Michael, You've got to say Dick
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Speaker 1: Smith is making a fair point here. Labour's argument that
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Speaker 1: nuclear power would be too expensive yet not adding into
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Speaker 1: the conversation the cost of their so called green dream.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Look, Graham's right. Labour have had an idea logical objection
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Speaker 12: to the mining industry ever since I was at university
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Speaker 12: from nineteen to seventy five onwards. They hate the mining companies.
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Speaker 12: They've just they've just got this blinkered view of any
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Speaker 12: anything that's taken out of the ground. It's this sort
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Speaker 12: of caveman view of the world as great basically as theirs.
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Speaker 12: And you know, I've just come back from Europe France
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Speaker 12: to get seventy percent of the of the energy from
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Speaker 12: electricity from nuclear power. The whole world's basically increasing their
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Speaker 12: store of nuclear power and Australia looks very backward when
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Speaker 12: we're trying to rely on wind and solar when nuclear
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Speaker 12: basically is the fuel of the future. And so yeah,
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Speaker 12: I mean, will I albow do that, Graham? I don't
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Speaker 12: think so. But you're right, they're looking very bad.
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Speaker 3: I got to remember, Michael, we're not relying on wind
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Speaker 3: and solar, We're still relying on coal. I mean, that's
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Speaker 3: the real tragedy. Most of the power in Australia can't
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Speaker 3: mention that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah, the bad word coal. But you're right.
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Speaker 1: I mean the energy transition is happening completely back to front.
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Speaker 1: We're racing now to shut down these coal fired power plants.
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Speaker 1: No surprises, the life of Arah Ring has been extended.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what does that tell you that we're desperate
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Speaker 1: to keep the lights on in this country now? Look,
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Speaker 1: businesses have come out today warning the government's cap on
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Speaker 1: foreign students could cripple the country's higher education sector and
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Speaker 1: deliver a lasting blow to the economy. That's according to
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Speaker 1: the Business Council of Australia chief Brand Black. He said
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Speaker 1: that international students were being used as a red herring
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Speaker 1: in the housing affordability debate.
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Speaker 2: Michael, do you agree with this?
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Speaker 1: And then we've got record migration numbers, record number of students.
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Speaker 2: It's fair to say something has to be done, right.
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Speaker 12: No, I don't agree with him at all. But you
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Speaker 12: know big business, the BCA, etc. Unions there for a
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Speaker 12: big Australia. They want more immigration, more people here. A
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Speaker 12: bigger population means business can sell more things, so they're
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Speaker 12: genuine favor of a big Australia. But look, if you
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Speaker 12: have one hundred and sixty thousand houses built last year
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Speaker 12: and six hundred thousand people come into the country. That
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Speaker 12: doesn't quite add up. So and so of course you
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Speaker 12: need to put a cap or reduce the student intake.
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Speaker 12: I when Sydney University gets almost half its students from
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Speaker 12: who are from overseas, almost half. I mean, it won't
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Speaker 12: be that in the future because Sydney unis so badly
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Speaker 12: discredited now because it's you know, allowing the sort of
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Speaker 12: Jewish hatred to permeate the university. So it's reputation internationally
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Speaker 12: has been trashed. But generally speaking, you know, you've got
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Speaker 12: to cut the number of immigrants and people coming to
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Speaker 12: the country because there's a limited housing stock.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is it.
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Speaker 1: I mean I've said this for a while now. It's
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Speaker 1: becoming a vote acute, vote driving issue because people are
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Speaker 1: really struggling and we can't get Australians into households right now. Graham,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of what big business have said
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Speaker 1: here a red herring?
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Speaker 2: Is that a fair enough assessment?
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Speaker 10: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Probably, I think it's somewhere near right. I mean, look,
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Speaker 3: I just don't think any government has ever properly faced
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Speaker 3: our housing problem. That's the real difficulty. You know, they
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Speaker 3: build a few houses, but they've never looked at those
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Speaker 3: numbers and said, right, we are pathetically behind. We need
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Speaker 3: to just dramatically build this up. We need to really
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Speaker 3: do something that is historically much much greater than anything
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Speaker 3: we've ever done. Well, I haven't heard that kind of
20:34
Speaker 3: language from any politician, liberal orlver.
20:37
Speaker 2: No fair enough.
20:38
Speaker 1: Look, we're almost out of time, but I just want
20:40
Speaker 1: to go to the UK quickly, where former Prime Minister
20:42
Speaker 1: Boris Johnson has put his differences with Rishie Sunak aside
20:46
Speaker 1: joining the campaign in a last ditch attempt attempt to
20:49
Speaker 1: help the British Prime minister. Michael, do you think that
20:54
Speaker 1: Rishie Sudak realistically has any chance even with Boris Johnson's help.
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Speaker 12: Well, I was in London on Saturday and read all
21:03
Speaker 12: the papers and talked to a lot of people. Rushi
21:05
Speaker 12: Sinec has zero chance of winning.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Graham, very quick last comment from you, Well,
21:13
Speaker 2: I think he's got less than that.
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Speaker 1: There you go, we're on the same page that hazy,
21:18
Speaker 1: quick and easy Graham Richardson, Michael Kroger, thank you.
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Speaker 2: So much for joining us. Great to have you both
21:23
Speaker 2: on or stay with us.
21:25
Speaker 1: Coming up online radicalization in focus after an alleged stabbing,
21:29
Speaker 1: and as the nation faces a decade long capability crisis,
21:33
Speaker 1: labor cuts back our deployment to one of America's biggest
21:36
Speaker 1: military exercises.
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Speaker 2: So what message does it send to the US Welcome back?
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Speaker 1: Well, As I mentioned at the start of the show,
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Speaker 1: the fourteen year old teen who allegedly stabbed a twenty
21:51
Speaker 1: two year old on campus grounds at a university yesterday
21:55
Speaker 1: allegedly had plans to carry out a christ Church terror
21:58
Speaker 1: attacks style on home soil. Now police have since launched
22:02
Speaker 1: an extremism probe, something that should have been enforced five
22:07
Speaker 1: months ago when the boy was allegedly pulled into a
22:10
Speaker 1: deradicalization program under the Department of Community and.
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Speaker 2: Justice in the first place.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss this is Liberal senator and
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Speaker 1: former Ambassador to Israel Dave Sharma. Dave, Look, this is
22:23
Speaker 1: obviously a very concerning alleged incident. Putting that aside, though,
22:27
Speaker 1: we've seen a number of teenagers being radicalized online and
22:32
Speaker 1: there's also been a key theme of mental health. What
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Speaker 1: is going on here? Do you think and are we
22:39
Speaker 1: even close to solving it?
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Speaker 14: Look, there's a lot of things going on. It has
22:47
Speaker 14: been incredibly worryington. ECO mean, last week we saw a
22:53
Speaker 14: teenager as well arrested outside the officers of a state
22:56
Speaker 14: labor MP who'd made a number of threatening from and
23:00
Speaker 14: published a whole manifesto directed a number of politicians. This
23:04
Speaker 14: person was intercepted by police and thankfully didn't do any harm.
23:08
Speaker 14: But we're seeing a growing number of these, and I
23:10
Speaker 14: do worry that there's a sort of an element of
23:12
Speaker 14: people getting inspired and incited by the examples that they're
23:17
Speaker 14: seeing elsewhere and encouraged to replicate these sorts of these
23:21
Speaker 14: sorts of attacks. Clearly there's mental health elements to it
23:24
Speaker 14: as well, and then we saw that with the terrible
23:27
Speaker 14: stabbing at the Westfeld Bond dijunction some months ago as well,
23:31
Speaker 14: where someone who's facing significant mental health issues and was
23:34
Speaker 14: not being properly seen to or addressed seemed to be
23:38
Speaker 14: the cause of that incident. But it's look, I think
23:41
Speaker 14: we've got to put every ounce of effort into addressing
23:44
Speaker 14: not only the mental health elements of it, but the
23:46
Speaker 14: policing and law enforcement elements of it as well, and
23:49
Speaker 14: I think making sure that we send as strong a
23:52
Speaker 14: message as we can that this sort of behavior is
23:55
Speaker 14: not acceptable in civilized society and it will be dealt
23:58
Speaker 14: with the full force of the law.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And we've heard from Mike Burgers not too long
24:04
Speaker 1: ago emphasizing the growing threat of extremism within this country.
24:10
Speaker 1: Do you think that the government is doing enough to
24:13
Speaker 1: help actually combat that threat?
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Speaker 14: Look, I think this is a difficult task. I mean,
24:21
Speaker 14: the government needs to be obviously responding to the intelligence assessments,
24:26
Speaker 14: and Mike Burgess and others in the Australian Federal Police
24:29
Speaker 14: and the State police, law enforcement and law enforcement services
24:33
Speaker 14: will be providing that. But I'm also conscious that, Look,
24:37
Speaker 14: the police and our intelligence services have limited resources and
24:40
Speaker 14: they always need to focus on the highest profile threats.
24:43
Speaker 14: And at the moment we're dealing with cyber attacks and
24:46
Speaker 14: cyber espionage happening at an unprecedented scale, attempts at foreign
24:50
Speaker 14: interference with our political and democratic system of government, which
24:54
Speaker 14: we're dealing with a non precedented scale, more traditional espionage
24:58
Speaker 14: and intelligence gathering efforts. Our law enforcement and intelligence agencies
25:02
Speaker 14: I know are stretched and under the pump right now.
25:05
Speaker 14: I think there could well be a case so that
25:07
Speaker 14: we need to be increasing the resources that we devote
25:09
Speaker 14: to these issues. If our existing resources are not enough
25:12
Speaker 14: to get on top of it.
25:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's a certainly a worry regardless. Now look,
25:17
Speaker 1: I want to show you an image sent to two
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Speaker 1: GB radio taken on the main street of Woggle Wogga.
25:23
Speaker 1: The Israeli Prime Minister was recently targeted.
25:26
Speaker 2: In a vile shop window poster.
25:29
Speaker 1: There, Benjamin Ettna, who's face plastered with the most degrading
25:34
Speaker 1: label at the top that we can't show you the
25:36
Speaker 1: word as it is disrespectful.
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Speaker 2: Dave, what's your response to this?
25:40
Speaker 1: I mean children would walk past this, mums and dads
25:44
Speaker 1: in the middle of Woggle Wogger.
25:48
Speaker 14: I think it's shocking. I mean I learned about this
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Speaker 14: from Michael McCormack, who's the Member for Riverina National's Member
25:54
Speaker 14: of Parliament who covers that area, and he was explaining
25:56
Speaker 14: it to me earlier in parliament this week and showing
25:59
Speaker 14: me some of the podos he's seen. Apparently this person
26:02
Speaker 14: sort of changes their display once a week, but it's
26:05
Speaker 14: equally disturbing and vile, and I just don't think this
26:08
Speaker 14: sort of material has a place in our shop windows.
26:10
Speaker 14: I think not only is it sort of graphic and extreme,
26:14
Speaker 14: but it's also stoking social division and social tension. I
26:19
Speaker 14: don't think this is a sort of conversations we should
26:22
Speaker 14: be having in on the public streets, on the main
26:25
Speaker 14: street of Waga, for instance. I think it's a terrible
26:28
Speaker 14: use of this person's real estate. I understand it's a
26:31
Speaker 14: business down there who has a track record of doing this,
26:34
Speaker 14: a marketing business of all things. But I think it
26:37
Speaker 14: needs to be called out and criticized as being anti
26:40
Speaker 14: social behavior, if not unlawful.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's just disgraceful.
26:45
Speaker 1: I can't imagine children seeing that, you know, as they
26:48
Speaker 1: walk past.
26:49
Speaker 2: Its terrible.
26:50
Speaker 1: Now, still on Israel, there are reports that there is
26:52
Speaker 1: a deepening rift between Benjamin etna who and his own
26:56
Speaker 1: troops over the future of Gaza, with Israeli military leaders
27:00
Speaker 1: now urging a cease fire. Dave, look, this is an
27:03
Speaker 1: interesting intervention. What does this mean now for Benjamin NETANYAHUO
27:08
Speaker 1: and more broadly for the conflict.
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Speaker 14: Well, Israel has been struggling with two war aims, or
27:17
Speaker 14: seeking to achieve two warims since the outbreak of this conflict.
27:20
Speaker 14: One is the release of all the hostages and the
27:22
Speaker 14: return of the hostages that are no longer alive. Two
27:26
Speaker 14: is the elimination of Hamas as a military force, and
27:28
Speaker 14: at times those objectives are in tension with one another,
27:32
Speaker 14: and we're seeing that now. Does securing the release of
27:36
Speaker 14: the hostages? Does that mean that Hermas remains secure in place? Conversely,
27:40
Speaker 14: does destroying Hamas also mean that you give up hope
27:43
Speaker 14: on the hostages? And there's strong political constituencies for both
27:47
Speaker 14: in Israel. There's strong camps within the armed forces arguing
27:50
Speaker 14: for both propositions, and indeed within the government. Israel's a
27:54
Speaker 14: vibrant democratic society with a plurality of opinion, and these
27:59
Speaker 14: opinions are being played out now. And I think it's
28:02
Speaker 14: a difficult dilemma that any government has to deal with.
28:04
Speaker 14: Do they do everything they can to secure the release
28:07
Speaker 14: of the hostages, knowing that that might mean Hermas remains
28:10
Speaker 14: as a military force able to launch similar attacks again,
28:13
Speaker 14: or do they commit to finishing the job with Hamas,
28:16
Speaker 14: meaning that it might end up costing them the lives
28:18
Speaker 14: of the remaining hostages. This is the terrible dilemma they're
28:21
Speaker 14: faced with, and I mean, frankly, it's one they shouldn't
28:25
Speaker 14: have to be dealing with, because holding and taking of hostages,
28:28
Speaker 14: which I mus has done is a clear and manifest
28:31
Speaker 14: war crime.
28:33
Speaker 1: It absolutely is, but it's certainly a difficult dilemma. As
28:36
Speaker 1: you said, there's no winners out of both of those
28:41
Speaker 1: dilemmas facing the government there. Dave Shalma really appreciate your insights.
28:45
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us this evening.
28:49
Speaker 14: Thanks so much, Sanika.
28:51
Speaker 1: Well labor has dramatically scaled back Australia's participation in the
28:55
Speaker 1: biennial rim of the Pacific War Games off Hawaii after
28:59
Speaker 1: years of under investment in the defense force. The Australian
29:02
Speaker 1: reports the nation now faces a decade long capability crisis.
29:07
Speaker 1: Joining me is Strategic Analysis Australia Director Michael Schuebridge.
29:12
Speaker 2: Michael, good to see you.
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Speaker 1: Tell us firstly, why is Australia's participation in this event
29:17
Speaker 1: so important in the first place.
29:20
Speaker 8: Well, Denika, the Rimpack Exercise is held every two years.
29:24
Speaker 8: It's the biggest international exercise in our region that the
29:27
Speaker 8: Americans hold, and its primary purpose is to have the
29:32
Speaker 8: regional military's US allies and partners work together demonstrate capacity
29:38
Speaker 8: and so it's a key part of deterring China. Its
29:41
Speaker 8: theme this year is Partners Integrated and Prepared, which is
29:46
Speaker 8: almost black comedy. When you look at the awful shrinking
29:50
Speaker 8: Australian military contribution, we look like a partner who is
29:55
Speaker 8: desperately unprepared.
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Speaker 1: Well, Labour's now dramatically scaled back, it's involvement. What message
30:01
Speaker 1: does that send to our allies like the US.
30:05
Speaker 8: Well, Di Nigra tells them Australia's been talking a big game,
30:09
Speaker 8: but we're not delivering. And as Texans say, we look
30:13
Speaker 8: all at no ranch and you've got to think that's
30:16
Speaker 8: a really bad message when we're asking the Americans to
30:21
Speaker 8: hand over their nuclear submarine technology Crown Jewels.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure the US wouldn't be impressed by this
30:28
Speaker 1: latest development. And of course, Michael, this follows years of
30:32
Speaker 1: under investment. Has our defense sector been left behind by
30:35
Speaker 1: this government?
30:37
Speaker 8: Well, the sad thing is there's a fire hose of
30:40
Speaker 8: taxpayer money going into the defense organization over the next
30:44
Speaker 8: ten years, seven hundred and sixty five billion dollars. But
30:48
Speaker 8: our military is going to look like a slow motion
30:51
Speaker 8: car crash over those ten years because Richard Miles, Pat
30:55
Speaker 8: Conroy and the defense bureaucrats tell us they can't do
30:59
Speaker 8: any thing quickly, which is complete nonsense. We could have
31:03
Speaker 8: a much more powerful military over the next two, three
31:07
Speaker 8: and five years. But that would cause that would mean
31:11
Speaker 8: the Defense organization and the government would have to change
31:14
Speaker 8: some of their plans.
31:17
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating development. Now.
31:18
Speaker 1: This of course comes after revelations that Anthony Arberzi has
31:22
Speaker 1: ditched his Washington visit for the seventy fifth NATO summit.
31:26
Speaker 1: The Prime Minister was expected, of course, to meet his
31:28
Speaker 1: Indo Pacific counterparts. Instead, the Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister,
31:33
Speaker 1: Richard Miles will take his place.
31:35
Speaker 2: Here was the Prime Minister defending his decision.
31:38
Speaker 15: I'm not going because we're not members of NATO.
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Speaker 8: You went to the last two previous meetings. I went
31:43
Speaker 8: to the last two and said they were important, and
31:46
Speaker 8: they were and it is changed your mind. Why have
31:50
Speaker 8: you changed your mind?
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Speaker 4: I haven't changed my mind.
31:52
Speaker 2: Did you never say you were going to go?
31:53
Speaker 1: No, So we're not members of NATO, so I'm not going.
31:57
Speaker 1: Michael has had a good enough excuse.
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Speaker 16: No.
32:00
Speaker 8: So what do we hear from the government. We hear
32:02
Speaker 8: that we need to focus on our region. So that's
32:06
Speaker 8: why we can't help secure the shipping lanes in the
32:08
Speaker 8: Red Sea. We need to focus on our region. So
32:11
Speaker 8: that's why we won't equip the Ukrainians with amazing Australian
32:15
Speaker 8: defense technology our companies make we hear it now that
32:19
Speaker 8: we can't send a decent military contribution to the major
32:23
Speaker 8: regional exercise of our US Ally. I think the Prime
32:27
Speaker 8: Minister isn't going because the cupboard is bear when it
32:30
Speaker 8: comes to our military and he's not willing to prioritize
32:34
Speaker 8: the sensible things, so he doesn't want to be embarrassed
32:37
Speaker 8: in front of his US and NATO colleagues.
32:40
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting point you raise. Do you think overall, though,
32:44
Speaker 1: is in our nation's best interest for the Prime Minister
32:47
Speaker 1: to attend the summit?
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And what he could do is something that the
32:52
Speaker 8: government has continued to fail to do. He could announce
32:56
Speaker 8: that the Australian military is being equipped with long range
33:00
Speaker 8: uncrued submarines made right here in Australia, that the Australian
33:05
Speaker 8: military is getting drone and counter drone systems made right
33:08
Speaker 8: here in Australia, and that those same systems are being
33:12
Speaker 8: supplied to the Ukrainians. He could do those things and
33:16
Speaker 8: that would divert some of this fire hose of wasted
33:19
Speaker 8: public money that we're apparently spending while we wait for
33:24
Speaker 8: nuclear submarines a decade away.
33:28
Speaker 1: I just feel like we're the laughing stock on a
33:30
Speaker 1: hunter world scale at the moment. Michael Schubridge, good to
33:33
Speaker 1: speak with you. Thank you so much for your time
33:35
Speaker 1: this evening. Well coming up, Fatima Payment all but confirmed
33:38
Speaker 1: to be on her way out of the Labor Party.
33:41
Speaker 1: I'll speak to my political panel about this and more next.
33:50
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
33:51
Speaker 1: Fatima Payment is on the brink of leaving the Labor
33:54
Speaker 1: Party following her suspension.
33:56
Speaker 2: So the saga just rolls on.
33:58
Speaker 1: The Sydney Morning Herald report that the exiled Labor Senator
34:02
Speaker 1: is taking advice on her next steps from controversial election
34:06
Speaker 1: strategist Glenn Drury, a political operative known as the preference
34:11
Speaker 1: Whisperer for his success in securing seats for Upper House
34:15
Speaker 1: Independence and Minor party candidates. Payman's decision to work with
34:20
Speaker 1: Dury is the strongest signal yet she intends to leave
34:23
Speaker 1: the Labor Party. Even the PM has all but admitted
34:28
Speaker 1: Payment has got a foot out the door already.
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Speaker 15: Senator Payment, of course, has made a decision to place
34:38
Speaker 15: herself outside the Labor Party. That's a decision that she made.
34:45
Speaker 15: I expect further announcements in coming days which will explain
34:50
Speaker 15: exactly what the strategy has been over now more than
34:54
Speaker 15: a month.
34:56
Speaker 1: Let's bring in my panel now, Labor MP Daniel Molino
34:59
Speaker 1: and Senator James McGrath. Hi to you both. Thank you
35:02
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Daniel will start with you.
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Speaker 1: We've heard there has been Labor in fighting over fatima payment.
35:09
Speaker 2: What's the sentiment within the party room?
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Speaker 7: Well, Hi Danika and hi James. So look, there's been
35:18
Speaker 7: a lot of speculation about this, but what I would
35:21
Speaker 7: say is what we know is that Fatima has crossed
35:23
Speaker 7: the floor on one occasion. Fatima has been given every
35:27
Speaker 7: opportunity to reconsider her position. But yesterday in caucus, the
35:33
Speaker 7: Prime Minister put a very clear and strong position, which
35:37
Speaker 7: is that Fatima really needs to make the decision to
35:41
Speaker 7: abide by caucus's position on this very important issue, and
35:46
Speaker 7: the choice is very stark for her. She can come
35:49
Speaker 7: back into caucus if she decides to abide by Labour's
35:52
Speaker 7: position and vote with Labor, and if not, then she'll
35:57
Speaker 7: be remaining outside of caucus indefinitely. And the PM put
36:01
Speaker 7: that position to caucus. It was voted on and unanimously supported,
36:05
Speaker 7: and it was unanimously supported without any discussion. So there's
36:09
Speaker 7: a really strong position within the caucus on this. I
36:12
Speaker 7: would just say at a personal level, I know that
36:15
Speaker 7: Fatima is grappling with what for her is a very
36:17
Speaker 7: important issue and what's a very complex issue. And look,
36:20
Speaker 7: I hope that she takes the opportunity over the next
36:23
Speaker 7: few days and weeks to make the decision to come
36:26
Speaker 7: back into the caucus and abide by its position.
36:30
Speaker 1: But I mean, she's now apparently talking to the so
36:32
Speaker 1: called preference whisper, which means she's got one foot out
36:35
Speaker 1: the door, Daniel, So why won't the Prime Minister just
36:37
Speaker 1: beat her to it, go ahead and expel her.
36:42
Speaker 7: Well, I think he's taking the right position, and this
36:44
Speaker 7: was a position, as I said, which was unanimously supported,
36:47
Speaker 7: which is that she's crossed the floor, and so that's
36:50
Speaker 7: instigated a discussion where it's been made crystal clear to
36:53
Speaker 7: her that in order for her to sit in caucus,
36:57
Speaker 7: she needs to make a commitment to abide by the
37:00
Speaker 7: Labor Party's position on this very important issue. So she
37:03
Speaker 7: hasn't done that yet, and I think the way that
37:06
Speaker 7: the Prime Minister has suggested moving forward on this is
37:08
Speaker 7: the right one, James.
37:10
Speaker 1: As we just mentioned, it's been reported that she's speaking
37:15
Speaker 1: to the so called preference whisperer Glenn Jury about this.
37:19
Speaker 1: Do you think that Fatima Payman will walk away from
37:22
Speaker 1: Labor soon?
37:24
Speaker 2: Well, we've got a.
37:25
Speaker 16: Weak prime minister. And if you dealt with this issue
37:28
Speaker 16: a week ago instead of wibblewobbling all the time, because
37:33
Speaker 16: we all know what the Labor Party's rules are. They've
37:36
Speaker 16: got a binding caucus and if you cross the floor,
37:39
Speaker 16: you get kicked out. Look at Keating, look at Hawk,
37:42
Speaker 16: look at those Labor lumeries. We've got this weak prime minister,
37:45
Speaker 16: and we've got this Labor senator, Labour senator who is
37:49
Speaker 16: just playing with the Prime Minister because he's weak on this.
37:54
Speaker 16: And if you can't rule your own party and you
37:58
Speaker 16: can't make decisions to benefit your own party, then what
38:02
Speaker 16: surprimeists running this country?
38:06
Speaker 13: Yeah?
38:06
Speaker 2: Well this is the thing.
38:07
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been so much dilly dallying from both
38:10
Speaker 1: Fatima payment and Anthony ALBERSI one's not making a decision here.
38:14
Speaker 1: So here we are still at the end of the
38:16
Speaker 1: week almost and nothing has been done about it. Look
38:19
Speaker 1: I want to ask about this speculation of an early election,
38:22
Speaker 1: which is growing since the Anthony Albanesi is reportedly mulling
38:27
Speaker 1: a reshuffle of cabinet members Home Affairs Minister Claire O'Neill
38:31
Speaker 1: and Immigration Minister Andrew Giles.
38:32
Speaker 2: A tip to be moved, Daniel, a possible reshuffle of
38:37
Speaker 2: your comrades. How do you feel about it?
38:41
Speaker 13: Oh?
38:41
Speaker 7: Well, look, I think there's nothing that the commentariat in
38:44
Speaker 7: Australia loves more than early election speculation. But I must
38:48
Speaker 7: say that I'd actually think it'd be better if we
38:50
Speaker 7: had longer terms. I think the PM might have said
38:52
Speaker 7: something to similar effect, but I think four year terms
38:54
Speaker 7: would be better for our federal political system. I was
38:57
Speaker 7: a state MP for a term in Victorian. It works
39:00
Speaker 7: well in all the states, so I just start with
39:02
Speaker 7: that proposition. But look, in terms of early election, look,
39:07
Speaker 7: every indication I get is that this government is putting
39:09
Speaker 7: all of its efforts into bedding down all of the
39:12
Speaker 7: many measures that just came in on one July to
39:15
Speaker 7: help people deal with a cost of living and a
39:18
Speaker 7: range of other really important measures dealing with the future
39:21
Speaker 7: made in Australia, the Clean Energy Transition and so many
39:24
Speaker 7: other measures. I mean as for a possible reshuffle, Well,
39:27
Speaker 7: you know we've had the same ministry line up for
39:30
Speaker 7: over two years now, which is actually incredibly stable, particularly
39:33
Speaker 7: compared with what we had for the decade before that,
39:36
Speaker 7: where we had ministers constantly shuffling in and out of
39:39
Speaker 7: portfolios to the great detriment of policy.
39:42
Speaker 2: So look, there may or may not be.
39:44
Speaker 7: A reshuffle, obviously way above my pay grade. But look
39:47
Speaker 7: we've had a lot of stability in the ministry so
39:49
Speaker 7: far and that's been very effective.
39:52
Speaker 1: James, are you taking this as a firm sign that
39:55
Speaker 1: an early election is on the cards?
39:58
Speaker 16: Look, the opposition is ready. We want an early election
40:01
Speaker 16: because we want to get rid of this weak prime
40:03
Speaker 16: minist We want to get rid of this government who
40:05
Speaker 16: have allowed our borders to be softened and have allowed
40:08
Speaker 16: a cost of living crisis to take over this country.
40:11
Speaker 16: But about two hundred meters from where I'm sitting, there's
40:14
Speaker 16: a terrible function on tonight and it's the Midwinter Ball,
40:18
Speaker 16: and you couldn't get me there if you paid me
40:20
Speaker 16: to go, or bought me an island the Pacific. It
40:23
Speaker 16: is full of sanctimonious left wingers. But I'm going to
40:25
Speaker 16: tell you what. That room tonight is full of gossip
40:29
Speaker 16: and in trigue about two things. The reshuffle, because everybody's
40:33
Speaker 16: looking everyone up and down and going hey, or she's
40:35
Speaker 16: out here or she's in. But also about the early election.
40:38
Speaker 16: There's a lot of dates flying around and if the
40:41
Speaker 16: Prime Minister was strong, it'd come out and say nope,
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Speaker 16: the election is definitely going to be held next year,
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Speaker 16: and he hasn't done that. So that's why the speculation
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Speaker 16: is swirling around this building.
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Speaker 2: My gossip inside the midwinter ball. There you go.
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Speaker 1: Now, in an unlikely alliance, the Greens have thrown their
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Speaker 1: support behind Peter Dutton's supermarket the vestiture proposal, with the
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Speaker 1: party's Economic Justice spokesman Nick McKim labeling Labor as isolated
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Speaker 1: in its refusal to support the plan. James, it's been
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Speaker 1: reported that the coalition is split over this.
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Speaker 2: Has a rift emerged.
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Speaker 16: Now a rift, tap hasn't emerged. The party room was
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Speaker 16: quite strong in adopting this policy yesterday. And this is
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Speaker 16: a policy about ensuring that we deal with the cost
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Speaker 16: of living crisis in Australia. It's about ensuring that families
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Speaker 16: can have access to fresh food and vegies that's affordable.
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Speaker 16: It's also about ensuring that the farmers and suppliers can
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Speaker 16: actually get a good price, and that is a good
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Speaker 16: thing and I think all parties should be supporting this now.
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Speaker 1: Earlier this week we showed you the level of tolerance
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Speaker 1: that the Greens Party has shown towards the disgraceful defacing
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Speaker 1: of our war memorials in Canberra, move that I and
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Speaker 1: many others deeply condemned. It's absolutely disrespectful to our veterans
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Speaker 1: and our troops. Now the Coalition is trying to get
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Speaker 1: a motion passed in the House of Representatives condemning the vandals. Daniel,
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Speaker 1: what's your reaction to the way the Greens have responded
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Speaker 1: to this?
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Speaker 7: Well, look, this might be an issue where James and
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Speaker 7: I agree.
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Speaker 16: I suspect it will be.
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Speaker 7: Look, I find the position of the Greens on this indefensible.
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Speaker 7: I find it amusing, but then again not altogether surprising,
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Speaker 7: because the Greens have taken an incredibly cynical, opportunistic political
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Speaker 7: stance on what's a very difficult, complex issue when it
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Speaker 7: comes to the Middle East and Gaza. So the Greens
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Speaker 7: aren't willing to vote on a motion that is condemning
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Speaker 7: something that I think the vast majority of people in
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Speaker 7: Australia would find a completely unjustifiable and unacceptable. It's pure politics, frankly,
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Speaker 7: and we're seeing this play out in a whole range
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Speaker 7: of areas around the country, including in my electorate where
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Speaker 7: my office has been defaced half a dozen times. The
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Speaker 7: windows were smashed on one occasion and we had to
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Speaker 7: close for two weeks. The Greens Party, quite often, all
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Speaker 7: too often, has been egging these kinds of acts on.
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Speaker 7: We saw a debate in the House tonight on emotion
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Speaker 7: where the Liberal Party and the Labor Party didn't agree,
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Speaker 7: but there were thoughtful speeches on both sides. I thought
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Speaker 7: Julie and Lisa gave a very thoughtful speech on the
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Speaker 7: opposition side. On our side, Edge Husey gave up his
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Speaker 7: time for Josh Burns, something which was noted by speakers
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Speaker 7: on the other side. But then the Greens, in their
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Speaker 7: contribution on that motion gave what I thought was a
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Speaker 7: highly divisive and really an appropriate speech. So this to
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Speaker 7: me is just one more reflection of the Greens taking
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Speaker 7: a highly inappropriate and divisive attitude towards this broader issue.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agreed James were almost od time.
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Speaker 2: But what's your response.
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Speaker 16: The Greens are morally bankrupt. They are defiling our democracy
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Speaker 16: by refusing to condemn the desecration of a sacred memorial
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Speaker 16: memorial to the men and women who have died defending
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Speaker 16: the dream that is Australia. They are just horrible, horrible,
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Speaker 16: horrible people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something the three of us all agree on.
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Speaker 1: Daniel Molino, James McGrath, good to have you both on.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on the show
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Speaker 1: this evening. Well after the break, we'll cross live to
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Speaker 1: London as Royal Week officially kicks off.
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Speaker 2: We'll take a look at the King and Queen's latest
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Speaker 2: movements all over in the UK.
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Speaker 1: It's not just General election week, Royal Week is underway.
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Speaker 1: King Charles and Queen Camilla have landed in Scotland for
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Speaker 1: a week of celebrations alongside.
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Speaker 2: Other members of the royal family.
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Speaker 1: Each year, the Monarch spends a week visiting various regions
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Speaker 1: in Scotland and hosting thousands at the Palace of Hollywood
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Speaker 1: House in recognition of their good work. Shortly after the celebrations,
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Speaker 1: the Monarch will be heading back to meet the Yuly
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Speaker 1: elected Prime Minister at Buckingham Palace, and of course the Brits.
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Speaker 2: Head to the polls tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: From all, let's bring in royal expert Russell Myers from
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Speaker 1: the Daily Mirror. Russell, always good to speak with you.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. What's on the agenda
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Speaker 1: today in Scotland?
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Speaker 2: And one are the royal faces expected to see there?
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Speaker 11: Well, Hi, Denika, great to see you again. Well, it's
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Speaker 11: such a busy week for the royal family this week,
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Speaker 11: and you know King Charles's relentless schedule is continuing. I
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Speaker 11: mean he's had, of course so much to deal with
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Speaker 11: with his cancer treatment, but throwing himself back into work
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Speaker 11: and the Royals are up in Scotland this week. But
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Speaker 11: it's cut short, of course, as you mentioned the general
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Speaker 11: election happening in the UK on Thursday. But today is
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Speaker 11: about a celebration to welcome Camilla, the Queen and the
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Speaker 11: Duke of Edinburgh Prince Edward to the Order of the
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Speaker 11: This or one of the oldest orders of nobility, and
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Speaker 11: a big celebration at Saint Giles Cathedral, the site where
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Speaker 11: the late Queen lay in state in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 2: And I think this is sort of a mark of.
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Speaker 11: Respect for not only Prince Edward's work for the Royal
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Speaker 11: family but also for public service and of.
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Speaker 2: Course the Queen as well.
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Speaker 11: So you know, a big, big celebration for the royals
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Speaker 11: and the people of Scotland. Welcomen this week.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be a fantastic week, a busy week
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Speaker 1: at that. Now, Russell, we know that the King and
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Speaker 1: Queen are set to visit Australia later this year, but
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Speaker 1: there are talks on a scale back of the tour
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Speaker 1: on doctors' orders.
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Speaker 2: Do you think it could be canceled completely?
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Speaker 11: No, I want to sor to totally allay your fears completely,
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Speaker 11: because certainly they've got the go ahead for the King
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Speaker 11: and Queen to come down Under in October. It's going
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Speaker 11: to be a very very important tour. It's been something
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Speaker 11: that's been in the planning for quite a long time.
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Speaker 11: But of course, as I mentioned, King Charless had such
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Speaker 11: a lot to deal with with his cancer treatment that
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Speaker 11: is still ongoing. But the leg of the tour that
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Speaker 11: has been shelved will be New Zealand, and I think that,
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Speaker 11: you know, comes a bit of a sadness for the
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Speaker 11: King Queen not to get to see the Kiweds. However,
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Speaker 11: there will be a full schedule of events for it
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Speaker 11: will no doubt be lasting about just about a week.
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Speaker 11: In Australia. All the states and territories are clambering at
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Speaker 11: the moment, I understand to try and welcome the Royals,
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Speaker 11: and I think it's going to be a fantastic spectacle.
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Speaker 11: Hopefully I'm going to get on the plane to come
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Speaker 11: and see you guys as well.
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Speaker 2: Oh we hope so.
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Speaker 1: Russell Meyer is always good to see you, but great
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Speaker 1: to hear that they're still planning to come. And you're right,
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Speaker 1: the states are jostling. We're almost out of time though,
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Speaker 1: but the King and Queen are also set for a
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Speaker 1: visit to the Channel Islands later this month.
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Speaker 2: Quite a busy schedule for the.
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Speaker 11: Pair, Yeah, absolutely huge, usually busy schedule. This summer program
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Speaker 11: is in full swing and King and Queen getting down
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Speaker 11: to Jersey and Goernsey, and I think this is part
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Speaker 11: of the King's program to try and get out and
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Speaker 11: see as many people and make up for lost time.
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Speaker 11: I think that's it gives you a real good indication
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Speaker 11: of how Charles is feeling for the future.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it certainly does.
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Speaker 1: But it is good to say though that, given his
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Speaker 1: full packed, busy schedule just a month after that cancer diagnosis,
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Speaker 1: to see him back out there is absolutely fantastic. Russell Myers,
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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for joining
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Speaker 1: us on the program this evening, and that's all we've
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Speaker 1: got time for today. Thank you for your company here
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Speaker 1: on Shari. I'll be back again tomorrow night at eight
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Speaker 1: pm to do it all again. In the meantime, though,
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Speaker 1: stay tuned because Paul Murray is up next.