Latest / The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network / Johnathan Hutton of Titans Radio on GM, Derrick Henry | Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, December 7

Transcript

Johnathan Hutton of Titans Radio on GM, Derrick Henry | Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, December 7 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Welcome to James Drive Time with John Osier Herson and
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Brian sex Sex. Janks Drive Time starts right now. Well,
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: good morning and welcome to t I a bank field
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: for Jags drive Time, presented to you today by our
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: friends at car Shield, Brian Sexton along with John Osier.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: Um is it a good morning for you? John? Just
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: shut up? Look on your face told me everything I
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: needed to know now. It's it's uh, there's so many
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: ways to go with it. Um. I expected this year,
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, seventeen games. I expected seven wins,
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: a couple of stinkers, and a couple of really big wins.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: They hadn't had a stinker until yesterday. And and I
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: so over art over arching, I feel like you were
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: going to see one of these this year, because that's
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: what you see with young building teams. But it's sut See,
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: it's such a gut punch to have it be yesterday
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: in that situation. Well, because we talked about a meaningful
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: game after after Thanksgiving and you got one right on
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: Saturday night. I was around a lot of people and
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: they were all excited about this game. There was it
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't a buzz, it was you know, a vibration you
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: could feel in this town about this team. This is cool. Yeah,
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: and and and and with the Titans losing yesterday, if
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars could have won or even just lost in
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: a competitive game and giving people the feeling that their
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: team was coming, then you have a completely different mindset.
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: But today, I mean, there were so many competitive games
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: yesterday down to the end, and the Jaguars was clearly
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: not one of them. Uh, it's a big disappointment, you know.
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: And And in the post game show, Bucky Brooks, who
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: I know is one of your favorite guys, had had
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: had Doug Peterson on and one of the first things
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: he said, and it struck me. I wrote it down,
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: is that there's a level of intensity. We have to
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: figure out they're playing for the same things we're playing for.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: But they played like they wanted it more. That's the
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: head coach. Right after the game. Now, there was probably
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: a little emotion there, but a Doug also said afterwards, Brian,
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt, but in the post game and
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna say this, and I remember exactly what
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: he said, but talked about not feeling like they're prepared,
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and uh that they were a little awe
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: structs not the word, but um, well they were shocked
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: by the early shot, right, So, uh, you know that,
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: I think Doug knows that he's dealing with a young team.
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: There's a there's a process of trying to figure it out.
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: And it struck you from the comment that he said
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: that you just said and in the comment in on
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: the podium that he was surprised that they reacted that
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: way and he wants to figure out why does that
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: makes sense totally and it's it's Today is likely to
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: be a very painful day for people on that side
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: of the building, both in the locker room and in the
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: the coaches sweet as they have some very hard conversations.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: Doug alluded to that as well. Let's jump into big
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: things and give you the three big stories of the game.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: Yesterday on defense was as bad as it gets. The
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: Lions scored on every possession until the very end of
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: the game, where they just kneeled down twice every possession.
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: The defense had absolutely no answer what soever, none. And
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: you've got to go back a long time to have
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: a game like that, and that's sure you do, but
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: before then, you think at least seven years. Pretty bad
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: when it gets New England. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah,
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't be talking about that. Havn't happened before since
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: there ever no, But yes, it's a w so as
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: bad as it gets to Josh Allen felt it as well.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: I just gotta go menace is disappointing, you know, special
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: for him not to front the ball. It's one time
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: that's embarrassing. I've never ever done that before in my career.
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it's gonna be the last. Ums. You gotta keep
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: going going there. Well, I felt bad in the second quarter,
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: as bad as it gets, But then maybe not when
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is laying on the field and you can
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: see the medical training staff and the team doctors evaluating
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: his knee, maybe it wasn't as bad. The good news
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: for the Jaguars is is that he got up, walked
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: off the field and in the early part of the
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: third quarter came down that long, rampant Ford field and
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: back onto the playing field. Um, he wasn't hurt necessarily,
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: but his feelings were just embarrassing, honestly, Um, what we
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: put out there in such a big game for us,
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: and just I mean that's the word described as embarrassing.
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: Anybody that locker room feels that way too, just to
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: you know how. And this is a playoff game for us,
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: and we go out there and lay down, and you know,
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: all three phases just didn't anywhere close to our best football,
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: weren't detailed, didn't execute um And it's just embarrassing when you,
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: especially coming off a big win, and you come out
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: here and um laying egg. It's just can't happen. And
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: to his point, big thing three is make a play.
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: Nobody did. I mean the Lions made it on the
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: second play when they ripped the ball away from E. T. N.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: How About on that very same series when the ball
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: to St. Brown was tipped twice and yet he pulled
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: it in to set up first in gold. I mean,
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: there were multiple opportunities for the Jaguars. On the next series,
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: A Jones has the ball in his hands inside the
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: ten yard line to set up first in gold, and
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't They made plays the Jaguars on either side of
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: the ball on special teams. Nobody made a play yesterday,
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: and the coach, well he noticed it too. It's uncharacteristic,
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: our guys, part of the you know, part of the
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: struggles on offense, you know, on third down, Um, too
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: many third and long scenarios and you know it's a
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: good pressure team on third long and and um, we
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: just didn't do enough today to stay out of those situations.
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: So there are your big things, John, and I guess
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: if there was anything positive, it's that the quarterback came
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: back and let a drive in the third quarter when
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: we were all wondering, did this season just go from
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: you know, potentially promising, no matter how damn it might
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: seem at that moment, to gone, you know, heartbeat. Well,
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: I probably am guilty sometimes of looking at big picture
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: over micro if you will. Um, But to me, the
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: huge story of that game was that he wasn't hurt,
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: because what you don't want is him on May rehabbing
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: of next year. Um. So, and I know that I
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: shouldn't say. It's a lot of fans who got that
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: yesterday we're like, thank goodness, but that was critical. You know,
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: you don't want your quarterback rehabbing during O t A.
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: I'm that big O t A guy, but he is
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: the one who needs to be there during that time.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: I mean all of that, so that really mattered I
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: also thought Brian, we saw a last year maturity from
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence during tough times. Uh it's it's what made
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: us all believe that he was eventually going to be
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: great because you thought he had that element. I thought
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: yesterday he showed the maturity in the way he handled it.
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: But you could also feel that, all right, I'm tired
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: of this. You know this kind of thing can't happen.
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: I'm ready, and I when I say I, I mean
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: more the team. We're ready to not be standing up
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: here like this. We kind of thought this was done.
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: Uh So, I know fans get tired of talking about
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: demeanor with him, but I feel like there was something
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: in there yesterday of all right, it's time not for
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: me to grow up, that's the wrong word, but it's
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: time for us to not do this. And I don't
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: think they'll do this very often. This feels like I
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: can remember, for example, way back when when I was
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: with the Colts two thousand two, they had a decent team.
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: Peyton was starting to get it going, and You're starting
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: to get it going, and they went up in the
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: playoffs and just got shelled by the Jets forty one
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: nothing and everybody. You know, fire this, fire that, and
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: they grew from that, you know, so that feels I
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: know they're not a playoff team. I get all that,
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: but that yesterday felt like sort of that. I think
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: it will. I don't think you'll see this from this team.
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be in big situations moving forward.
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think you'll see this again to the quarterbacks
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: demean Yeah. So during the five game losing streak earlier
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: this year, you could tell that he was frustrated, that
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: he that he wanted Disappointed was probably a better word.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: Yesterday was the first time where it sounded like he
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: was ready to have a conversation with his teammates. Look
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: was more of a come on, man. Take a look
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: at his numbers that we've got for you today. You
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: can see that he did not play Portland now. But
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: when you have z Jones, who who will, by my
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: account drop four balls and Evan ingram to you have
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: six drops his numbers. If you don't forget the numbers
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: for just a moment, that just shows though that he
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: wasn't the problem. Probably five drops thirty one for two
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: fifty get touchdown your but you catch that first one,
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: you got a touchdown, you tie the game at seven. Right,
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: you had drops on key drives and third down on
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: easy crossing routes that keep the change moving to give
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: the defense more of a chance to rest. As much
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: as we talked about z Jones last week and after
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: the game, I know he was very despondent. Might not
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: be the right word A word on za. Um it
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: was surprising. Well, it was surprising, and you know, I'm
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: not usually want to sit here and make excuse you play.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: I think the chest injury was a lot worse than
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: you know. He was questionable a week with the chest injury. Um,
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it was a given that he
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: was going to play. I think he was trying to
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: fight through it. He he alluded to that, and when
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: people hear that, I don't want people to think, oh,
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: he was making an excuse. It didn't feel like that.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: It was more he was very uh as stand up
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: as you can possibly be. After that game, he was,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: But I don't know that he should have fought through
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: that one. It felt like, well, uh and but as
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: soon as I say that, credit to him for trying,
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: you know, but it felt like that probably bothered him.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: He's gonna across the middle chest injury and am I
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: going to get hit um again? It feels like aberration
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: with that being to come off a career high day
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: deal more than it is. Yeah, I mean, But at
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: the same time, if A Jones was sitting here, he
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: was saying, I was on the field, I gotta play well.
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: He was coming off of a career high eleven catches,
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: eleven in fourth team targets against the Ravens, and to
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: drop his first four like that, well, it was it was.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: It was just appointing. So all right, we'll take a
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: ba come back and show you some of the highlights
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: and talk to you through them as we continue Dragged
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Jags Drive time. He has brought to you today by
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: car shield and we're back after this. We've got to
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: lick our wounds, you know, and we got two days
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: to figure it out. We gotta division opponent next week.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna feel sorry for us, and so we're not
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: gonna feel sorry for ourselves. We're gonna go to work
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna get things cleaned up. But it's everybody.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: It's it's not one person, one position group, it's everybody
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: and coaches, players, myself. It's all of us, and and
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: obviously it starts there with me welcome back. Thought a
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: little sorry for me? Yes, no, I mean I you know,
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: I don't make light of it, but it was it
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: was tough. Uh. And again, just going back to we
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: talked about at the top, I um, I expected it
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: two or three times this year. I think if if
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: you pull back and at at the end of the season,
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: I think if you pull back and this is the
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: only sort of just on a katie bar the door game,
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: then I think you'd say, wow, you know, ten double
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: digit losses last year and this was the first one
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: that felt like it was completely away the whole time.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: You know, I expected in the first third team more
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: than or first twelve whatever it is, more than that.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: But taking all that big picture stuff, just the macro,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: I mean the micro of yesterday, you didn't expect that. No,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: talking to the players, you know, watching practice this week,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: there was no indication that it was going to go
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: this way. And they're gonna spend a lot of time
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: today watching the tape and as Doug said, trying to
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: figure things out so that when they get back on
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Wednesday in the practice field getting ready for the Titans,
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: they're ready to go. We're gonna spend a couple of
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: minutes here and sugar some of the highlights. So early
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: on it looked like the Jaguar as we're going to
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: be able to do what they wanted to do. Second
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: play of the game, Travis E. T N finds a
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: big hole E t N when a first luck came
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: out as which kit around the thirties seven yard lock
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: and you see him here, watch him grab the ball
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: and cover up. I mean, you talk about making a play.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Five made a play, I think and I got some
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: questions about this, and they're legitimate questions. Is fumbling an issue? Well,
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: the short answer is yes, because he's had fumbles this year.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: They have hurt the teams, so they must be an issue.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: But I think this might be looked at, if you
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: when you look back on it as a case where
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: even the best running backs fumble sometimes because the guy
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: makes a play that felt like this more than it
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: did a Travis E. T N fumble problem. But that's
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: something that we'll see over the course of time as well.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: So the head coach alluded in his postgame conference that
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: the team was shocked by that on the second play
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: the game. Sure all of you were as well. That
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: was a play made, and here are two more made
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: by the Lions to grab an early seven to nothing lead.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: That's time chips eventually right the Toma Ross st Brown
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: stayed with the bouncing goals he gets, he gets the
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: touched on. That was a great catch and any defender
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: here could have made a play, Darius Williams. You see
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: both ray Seon Jenkins and Dewey there and no one
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: could and it set up the touchdown. Three plays made
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: by the Lions in the first three minutes. Yantheo, how
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: different is that? You know, I'm never one to you know,
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: hammer a cornerback for not making an interest deception, because
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: that's why they're corning out, not receivers all that. But
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: in that situation, red zone, that's where a great player
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: makes that play or at least knocks that ball down.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Darvis won As I make that play, all right. And
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: so if there were any plays made, it was on
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: the next drive with Christian Kirk setting the Jaguars up.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: But then, as we mentioned, a, Jones had a chance
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: to make a play and could not, time for Lawrence
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: going down for Kirk's got Christian Kirk get until I
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: and territory across the twenty five yard law Kurt miss
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: tackle Christian Kirk. We'll have a first out out around
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: the twenty yard lined up Detroit. The written three Witches
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: on time for Lawrence and rock to the little of
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: the field by J. Jones. Catch that one and you
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: set yourself up or for first in gold. And you
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: know when Christian Kirk caught this pass, you thought, all right, well,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: look they can get back into this one because this
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: is not a very good defense. Yeah, and it's this
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: is not a day for positives. But Christian Kirk, who
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: what the thirteen games now they played? Whatever the number is,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: four and eight, Well I'm standing eleven because I blocked
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: out yesterday. Um, but really reliable Christian Kirk uh exactly
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: what they wanted. And somebody asked me in the ozone
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: last night if anybody showed up to play, and I
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: kind of I kind of made a night answer after
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: rewatch the tape at first glance, and no, Christian Kirk
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: played very well. He did, and we talked last week
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Christian Kirk or d J Chark. Kirk had a big game,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: so did d J. Chark. What decision. He's from both
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: of them. That's still find the difference for gold. For
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: d J Chark, well, that's when I thought this might
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: be a long and a touchdown for the end song
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: catch touchdown, shra. I don't know there's any commentary necessary here.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: This is what d J Chark did in twenty nineteen
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and Jeered Golf is playing really well. Yeah, it's nice.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I mean it was nice. Play credit DJ. Uh when
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: he is on the field, he is very dangerous. I
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: think his reliability overall in terms of injury is a
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: reason that they didn't bring him back. Uh for yesterday,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: very good if he's healthy, very very very good. Uh.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: If you know DJ Chark, you're happy for himhen he
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: does well. I wasn't happy for him yesterday because it
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: hurt the Jags. But uh, look, the secondary We've been
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: harping on it all year. And I know the pass
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: rush also needs work and is not great, but a
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: secondary that has been what I would call the fatal law.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: The defense this year was the fatal fla again yesterday.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: It's it is what it is, as they say, and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not sure in the last five
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: games we're gonna see major improvement, cause I'm not sure
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: that it's possible. This felt like the worst moment and
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: then the best moment of yesterday. That not that there
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: was a best moment. Here's the quarterback pressure and you
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: see his foot get caught underneath, and I thought it
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: was the ankle, and then they started looking at the knee.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Of course, we didn't find out anything until the third
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: quarter when he came back onto the field, and at
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: least you had that. Yeah, I've there was talk whether
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it should have been a penalty. It was close. Uh,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you know, they've called that a penalty this year at times.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I can see why they didn't because it was right
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: at the hip and he was umbling. It didn't look
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to me like it was an intentional play on that
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: players uh part. But you know I used legal decide that.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Thank goodness. I mean, you know, for everything this franchise
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: is trying to go be uh they need him. Yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: thank goodness. He wouldn't hurt, I mean, and Doug said,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: very fortunate. Jaguars obviously did not stop the Detroit Lions
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: in the first half. Jecks trailed six, and it didn't
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: feel like they were gonna be able to stop him.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: In the second half and the quarterback and his question
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: mark with the injury, but you felt like if at
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: least they could maybe they could claw their way back
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and make a game of this. DeAndre Swift quickly put
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that to bed Swift. Swift to stop kind of the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: way the whole day when it felt like maybe they
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: were going to get him behind the line of scrimmage.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen, mrs do we can't bring him down, Claybrooks
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: can't stop him short, they get in, they go up.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Game is essentially on its way to being done at
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that point. Let's go right though to the one drive,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars first drive at the third quarter that ended
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: with Evan Ingram finding the end zone in a nifty
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: two point conversion that made you think, okay, well the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks helps us, but pushed around Ruby are and I'm
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a ground icly touchdown any Trevor Lawrence Let's side and
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: they finally get it into the end zone. It's even
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: taking the direct snap here, but it's just throw the Lawrence,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: but it's jamal At winding into the end zone. A
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: creative play for two. I got a lot of questions,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Brian from people, Uh criticizing wife Trevor was in the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: game at that point, etcetera, etcetera. There's a couple of things.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Is the NFL teams have come back from thirties six, Yeah,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: play in the third you'r uh. That didn't bother me?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: So well? Why did you not play E t N
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: last week? They didn't play E t N last week.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Some of it was they wanted to make sure the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: kid knew he was okay on on a major injury
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: he had sustained to the same area. A lot of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that was, okay, let's make sure that the player is confident.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: You know, Trevor had never really injured that knee before.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: As long as the doctors told Trevor you are okay
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and there's no risk of injury, there was nothing wrong
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: with him playing you. I mean, I don't know what
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: else hey hold them out because of why? I mean,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: so that didn't bother me. I think there was sort
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of a a fear factor from some fans because, oh,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: oh goodness. But if if they had the information that
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that was okay, I don't know what else you're supposed
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to do. And at that point you're down two touchdowns
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and two extra points. But you still have almost fifteen
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: minutes to play. I mean, it's against the rules to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: stop them right at that point, I don't think I'll
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: google that. At that point, you thought, well, maybe they
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: can make a game of this thing here in the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: fourth they did the week before, and of course they
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: did not yesterday. All right, when we come back, hot takes,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and some of them are very hot. As we continue
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: with Jack's Drive Time from t I A A bank
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Field in Jacksonville, presented on a Monday morning by our
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: friends at car Shield. If your car is out of
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: manufacturer's warranty called car shield, now, don't get stuck with
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: expensive mechanical and computer screen repairs called car shield Today.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, John Osier with you here drive Time on
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: a Monday, following a well, choose your adjective, disappointing, difficult,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: awful Jaguars fourteen loss at Ford Field in Detroit. Obviously
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you all have hot takes. We do as well. John,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: leave us off. And I was gonna go with the defense,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: but if you're probably gonna talk about the defense, and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and it's uh, you know, the hot takes are are
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: obvious there to me. Um The one I went with
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: was trying to put the playoff talk away for a while,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: which sucks because it would have been fun this week. Well,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and you know what I wrote and what I believe
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: about this team. I believed they earned the right to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: talk about it last week because they had a couple
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of wins in UH in three weeks, beat the Titans
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, UH show up and then you know, we'll
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: listen to you next week, you know, and then you're
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: two out with whatever to play, and you're back in
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that scenario where if you start winning, if you get
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you know, if you beat Dallas, you know, ho ho ho.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I know fans are saying, but you know, so uh
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: when this week and then we'll listen again, right, Yeah,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I think I said it. Off the top of the show.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: There there was an audible just you could do, physical, visceral,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: whatever reaction. People were excited about this game four and seven, Right,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they want two of their last three, but people wanted this.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: And from my perspective, right, that's the hard part of
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: this game, not that the defense couldn't stop anyone and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that the offense didn't make plays, but that there was
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a moment for this team in this town to connect
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: on a deeper level about this year and to build
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that belief. Look, there were so many close games yesterday,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: but this wasn't one of them, and you had people going, well,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: that's the Jaguars. I know, yeah, but that's not that's
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: not what this team. Well yesterday it did look like it,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: that's not what we saw not bend the overarching story.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I always go back, you know, you don't come back
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and beat the Ravens with the same old Jaguars, right,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and people always talk about want to and desire, and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Tony Dungee said something to me once that when you're
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: not playing well defensively, you always look like you're not trying.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily that they're not trying or they
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: don't care, they not do it. But when you're not
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: playing well defensively, you're not stopping anybody, the automatic sort
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: of go to as well, they didn't have any desire
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: or effort. Well, I just think, yes, you know, the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: bottom line is his defense has given up twenty points,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: uh every game since the Texans. Well they're not very good.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: So when you're very good on defense, which until they
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: prove us wrong, that's what they're they are, then it
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: looks like you're not trying well. And you go back
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and you look at this defense, and and that brings
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: us to my heart take, which is that you it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: time to look differently at this defense. I think we
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: saw them play pretty well early on, especially in Los Angeles,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: and we thought, all right, they spent a lot of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: money at a lot of high draft capital to put
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: this together, and now you know, it's just a matter
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: of them figuring it out. But when you look back
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and you see that they blew fourth quarter leads against
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the commanders, against the cults, least against right, I mean
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you this team should have been in a much better
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: situation going into yesterday and blew a Yatt texts without
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: a doubt. And so this defense is just steadily gone downhill.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So it's time to think completely differently and look, John,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the last two years, the money they've spent on guys
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: like Roy Roberts and Harris and fully fought Dukasi and Foyer, A,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Louis Khan and Darius Williams. I mean, they have spent
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: money and draft capital. Jack Gribbin, not not all of
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that's necessarily Let's put it this way. Some of that
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: was probably poorly spent right. Jack Griffin in particularly looks
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: like that guy. They've also spent high draft capital the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: last couple of years, Tyson Campbell, Trayvon Walker, you know
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the name is Chad Muma, Derek, Devin Lloyd. These guys
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: are gonna be here, right. The salary cap is so
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: tight next year Jack Griffin's I'm gonna be here, but
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: everyone else will be here, So you gotta start thinking differently.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I don't, and I'm not gonna pretend to Jeff Long.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, Okay, put this guy's hand on
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the ground and put this guy outside. You know, you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: all can have those conversations, and I will as well.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: know exactly what they have to do to fix this thing.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: But they have to have some very difficult conversations. Doug
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: set it yesterday post game. People have got to be
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: willing to talk about this and have these conversations and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: think about are the people that we have being coached
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and put in the right positions to be their best.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a really tough conversation for my Caldwell
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and his staff today. Yep, there that's the only way
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to say it. I mean, it's I almost titled this
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: blow it up, right because everyone was thinking that yesterday
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: when you can't stop an opponent even once, given the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: history of this defense in the last six weeks, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: then that, yeah, blow it up doesn't sound so radical,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: But they've got to blow up the way they're thinking
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: about this and go back to square one in terms
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: of you can't do that, now, you gotta do that thing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: That's the difficult part. I'm getting questions about, well, do
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you put tray Vion's hand on the ground and do
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you move Devin Lloyd outside? Not a terrible idea considering
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: their skill set, I'll think a good questions what uh
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: should they be playing a four three rather than a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: three four it set, etcetera. None of those intrinsically are
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: awful concepts. The problem is it's it's December six, December five,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and it's very difficult. Doug alluded to it at some
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: point the last couple of weeks. It's very difficult to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: have young players move around when you already have a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: rookie trying to figure it out, and then you go
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: into their rookie and say, hey, guess what, You're playing
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a new position. So that's that's a difficult thing. And uh,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick said it. Uh this week or recently, there
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: hasn't about changing his play caller. It's like, look, it's weak, yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: help us out on the way there. So it's tough.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: The story of the last two weeks has been Devin
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Lloyd and how lost he looked. Chad Muma looked equally
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: lost yesterday equally. So when I see that, and it's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: not just one rookie, it's two, I think, all right,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: what can you do schematically? How can you coach them
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: up to get them in a position where they don't
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: look lost? They shouldn't look lost heading into the twelfth
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: game of the season. They might not look like, Hey,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: they're rising players that may still be a year away.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But you've got to have these guys, these high draft picks,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: looking like they're making progress, not looking like they're falling backwards.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And so from a defensive perspective, you are probably gonna
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: blow it up in the off season and reinvent it entirely.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: What do they do this Sunday for the Titans? I mean,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the first time they punt Jaguars fans are gonna go
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: nuts if you get see what I mean by I
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: mean you know what the Titans are. They're gonna hit
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you with Derrick Henry and then try to go over
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the top. Yeah and again. Not to labor the point,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: but I really look forward yesterday to seeing this Jaguars
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: defense against a conventional offense because I thought, okay, I know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: running quarterback should be a little better. Their numbers were
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: okay against the run. It didn't feel great against the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: run of Times O'Brien because when they needed the yards. Yeah. So, uh,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: we'll see on the docket. He's good. Yeah, he's he's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: pretty good. We'll take a break when we return. Some
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: closing thoughts looking forward to a big divisional game next
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Sunday in Nashville. This is Jack's drive time from t
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I A A bank field in Jacksonville, and we're back
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: in a moment. Well, Magellan Transport moves that freight and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: they're voted the coolest office space in Jacksonville. Apply online
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: at www dot Magellan Logistics dot com. Move the freight
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: with Magellan. I thought I had the great win last
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: week and it's all we're excited and everything, but this
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that's a different week. It's a different set of circumstances,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: just like now moving forward Tennessee next week. We've got
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: to somehow figure out to put this behind us and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: focus on Tennessee and in in you know, sort of
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: adjust our processes during the week, right, and and evaluate yourself,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: starting with me, and evaluate that and then evaluate you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the team and each player and each coach has to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: do that. But there's there's that short term memory in
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: this league that that you've got to move on, right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: You get the good the bad, You just gotta move
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: on and focus on the next week and and put
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the same amount of energy into this week coming up
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that you did this past week in the week before, right, um,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and and and focus on your job, focus on your
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: game plan. And then as coaches, we gotta make sure
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: we're doing the right thing by putting you know, putting
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the right people in the right spots. You don't have
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to read between the lines with this guy. Doug Peterson
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: has been in this league and had such great success
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: throughout his entire career. Set some down moments too, but
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: he's seen the highest of highs uh. And the message
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: yesterday was get ready for Monday. It's gonna be a
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: tough day, but then we're gonna put it behind us
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: because we can't afford. You can't stand still. You have
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to be able to make quick decisions and then apply yourself.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I thought that comment that he made to Bucky Brooks
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: in the postgame radio show was was probably the most
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: telling of all from postgame yesterday. Yeah. He Uh, they've
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: got the right guy there, And I understand fans are
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: upset about yesterday. Yesterday was ugly. It was bad. Um,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: But I think there's some coaches who wouldn't have wanted
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to come out after that game and said, hey, we
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: weren't ready. We weren't. Uh. We looked shocked because those
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: comments are very easy for people to twist and say, well,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: who's supposed to get him ready? It's you, coach. Well,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I think Doug would say, yeah, he said it at
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the beginning of yes I am, and now I'm gonna
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: go figure it out and fix it. That's that's my job.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: He's been around long enough to know that these games happen,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: they're not good, and that we figured out. But he's
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: not scared to be transparent on that front. He's confident
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: enough to say, yeah, you know, it is my job
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to go figure this out, and I will. So I
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: think that spoke volumes of how ready this guy is.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Obviously he's ready, he has a Super Bowl, But how
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: good he is in that situation, I guess is what
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for. I talked to him this week coming
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: off the practice field on Wednesday after I got done
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: interviewing Jim Bob Cooter, and and he knows, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: he knew when he took this job that it was
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: going to take time, but he also knew that with
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: some good coaching and some improvement that they put themselves
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: in positions like yesterday right to be able to take
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: advantage of Hey, go be to the Lions and be
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: in this thing in December, despite the fact that this
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: is his first year here. Um, that's why I found
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: yesterday's comments so telling you said, he's not scared. The
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: guy's confident, but he knows what he's doing here. He
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: understands what it takes. Did he expect yesterday, No, he
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: did not expect yesterday. But he only has today to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: figure out what happened, because then tomorrow is all about
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: next week. And you talk about leadership, He's got to
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: lead his team through this one and teach them how
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: to get ready in one week for next Sunday in Nashville.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: And he talked after the game yesterday and I don't
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: know that there's that much to this. It was a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: reporter he didn't really cover the Jags asked the question
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: about home and road, and uh, you know, I haven't
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: felt that they're just an awful team on the road
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: and grade at home. The record says three and two
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: at home. But but you know, if it is an issue,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: guess what you're going to Tennessee. So but again I
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: don't I don't feel that that was a little bit
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: of a theme yesterday. Um, but they have a chance
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to go prove that right and in what for this
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: franchise is a brutally tough environment. Well, Monday's after loss
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: are tough, and today is the toughest one of the season.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: We'll be back with you on Wednesday and hope to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: be able to have a show to give you some
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: answers and see where this team is headed as they
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: head to Nashville for Sunday's game against the Titans. Thanks
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: for joining us on Jags Drivetime. We'll talk to you
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday ASSISTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS