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  Speaker 1: Is the bold reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Well tonight calls on the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister to toughen up and quit the International Criminal Court
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  Speaker 2: if it does issue arrest warrance against Israel's Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 2: I'll also show you footage exposing exactly what these anti
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  Speaker 2: Israel protests are like the ones that Anthony ALBINIZI also
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  Speaker 2: won't condemn the intimidation, the hatred, the bullying, the abuse
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  Speaker 2: of the police. That's from just one rally in Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday. Some of that footage is astonishing. I'll talk
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  Speaker 2: to the reporter behind it also tonight, more pressure on
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  Speaker 2: the Immigration Minister as a freed foreigner is charged with murder.
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  Speaker 2: Where is the minister? Is he in witness protect again? Plus,
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  Speaker 2: there's something very odd about this smoking ceremony at a
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  Speaker 2: domestic violence center that was promoted so enthusiastically by the
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  Speaker 2: ABC today. I have to say also, I'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: the silver lining unbelievably to what actually is a tragedy
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  Speaker 2: of reassurance though that everyone's missing about the turbulence that
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  Speaker 2: made a Singapore Airlines flight suddenly drop one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ten meters, causing one death and severe injuries. But I
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  Speaker 2: do hope what I'm about to show you will reassure
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  Speaker 2: you as well. But first, you know, if I didn't
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  Speaker 2: look outside, I almost believe the crowing from the ABC
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  Speaker 2: and the Albanezi government. They're so happy today because a
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  Speaker 2: new CSIRO report claims the opposition's plans for nuclear power
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  Speaker 2: are rubbish, or, as an ABC headline put it, CSIRO
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  Speaker 2: skewer's case for nuclear energy. And it's true. You know,
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  Speaker 2: this report does claim that building a big nuclear power
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  Speaker 2: station twice is twice as expensive as wind and power
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  Speaker 2: backed by some kind of power storage like the snowy
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  Speaker 2: two point zero Pumptydro scheme to release stored green power
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  Speaker 2: when the wind doesn't blow and the sunders and shine. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the CSRO says, well, a nuclear plan that's going to
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  Speaker 2: cost eight and a half billion dollars and take fifteen
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  Speaker 2: years to build, all too late to save us, given
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  Speaker 2: Labour's plans to force shut all our remaining col found
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  Speaker 2: stations by then. And this, of course is what Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bow and the Mannic Climate Change and Energy me is
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  Speaker 2: the jumped on today.
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  Speaker 3: Nuclear will be very very long lead time to build,
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  Speaker 3: very slow to build. So nuclear is slow and expensive
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  Speaker 3: and is risky when it comes to the reliability of
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  Speaker 3: Australia semty system.
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  Speaker 2: Really, well, let's look at the window, I mean metaphorically,
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  Speaker 2: look at reality. How can wind and solder with backupst
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  Speaker 2: cost half of an eight point five billion dollar nuclear
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  Speaker 2: reactor when the cost of just the snowy two point
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  Speaker 2: zero backup alone has now blown out to twelve billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars and is estimated bay experts to reach twenty billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars once you add transmission wires. And that is, of course,
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  Speaker 2: if it ever does get finished. Because use today and
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  Speaker 2: machine digging, the project's forty kilometers of tunnels is stuck
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  Speaker 2: yet again. The last time was for about a year.
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  Speaker 2: Yet Bone claims that nuclear power are proven technology used
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  Speaker 2: in thirty two countries. That's the risky option. I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to power supply this risky, slow and expensive,
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  Speaker 2: as Bone is winging about, you check the green hydrogen schemes.
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  Speaker 2: He is now frantically throwing your money at to keep
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  Speaker 2: on our lights. He's frantic because just yesterday the Strain
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  Speaker 2: energy market operator warned that his green revolution is way behind.
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  Speaker 2: Not enough wind power, not enough soul, and not enough
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  Speaker 2: transmission wise, it's all falling backwards, high risk now of
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  Speaker 2: blackouts in New South Wales of Victoria. So Bowen I say, desperate,
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  Speaker 2: has our promise another two billion dollars in handouts, two
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  Speaker 2: billion to get companies to invest billions more of their
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  Speaker 2: own in finding ways to make hydrogen from water with
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  Speaker 2: massive wind and solar power without going broke. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: that's two billion of your money, just an incentives for
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  Speaker 2: a technology that is really untested at scale, operates nowhere
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  Speaker 2: at scale, and I certainly would take well more than
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  Speaker 2: fifteen years to get working as needed if it actually
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  Speaker 2: does work. But Bowen won't even drop their ban on
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  Speaker 2: nuclear power, which we know works, have seen works. None
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  Speaker 2: of this makes sense now, By the way, there are
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  Speaker 2: also reasons to doubt the csro's modeling. For instance, it's
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  Speaker 2: claim that nuclear power is twice more expensive than wind
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  Speaker 2: and solar is based on an assumption that this a
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  Speaker 2: nuclear power plant would last just thirty years. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: new plants in the US are rated to last eighty years.
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  Speaker 2: You get a lot more power out of one plant.
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  Speaker 2: And what's more, even at eight and a half billion dollars,
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  Speaker 2: a nuclear power plant looks almost like peanuts compared to
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  Speaker 2: the massive cash being thrown at other green projects that
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  Speaker 2: no one can be sure would even work or work
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  Speaker 2: as well. And this claimed that a nuclear plant would
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  Speaker 2: take fifteen years to build. Well that's probably true, but
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  Speaker 2: only if governments let themselves get tied up by green tape.
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  Speaker 2: So many projects are these days where there's a will,
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  Speaker 2: there's a way, But it seems again that nuclear is
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  Speaker 2: just up against a lot of wont from people who
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  Speaker 2: don't want them to work. Now, one of the most
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  Speaker 2: interesting activists in this debate is just seventeen years old.
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  Speaker 2: This Will Shackle, who founded the first youth led campaign
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  Speaker 2: for nuclear energy. It's called Nuclear for Australia as a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people raving battle like Dick Smith, and he's
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  Speaker 2: given evidence of a Senate Committee on nuclear power when
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  Speaker 2: he was just sixteen years old, as well as appearing
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  Speaker 2: on Sunrise Current Affair did you be three at WABAC,
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  Speaker 2: read here at Sky News and on the ABC's Q
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  Speaker 2: and a twice. I suspect the ABC was hoping you
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  Speaker 2: make a fool of himself, but no luck there at all.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is Will Shackle. Will thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for your time. Look the CSIO saying nuclear power is
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  Speaker 2: much more expensive than wind and solar will take fifteen
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  Speaker 2: years to save us too late. Do you believe it?
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  Speaker 2: What do you know at seventeen that the CSIRO does
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  Speaker 2: not know at all?
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  Speaker 4: Well, look, Andrew, a lot of the experts are going
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  Speaker 4: to canvas all of the limitations of the gen coos report.
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  Speaker 4: But I think one of the most concerning things that
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  Speaker 4: it only takes a seventeen year old to work out
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  Speaker 4: that there are major issues with the report, and one
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  Speaker 4: that I direct your view as a team too, is
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  Speaker 4: something that you mentioned was the fact that they've incorrectly
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  Speaker 4: assumed that a nuclear power plant can last the same
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  Speaker 4: amount of time as a solar farm or wind turbine.
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  Speaker 4: That is just simply not true a nuclear power plant.
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  Speaker 4: Nuclear power plants are known to last from sixty to
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  Speaker 4: eighty years, and with refurbishments, can last for over a century.
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  Speaker 4: And why that's really important to the economics of nuclears.
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  Speaker 4: Whilst you've got a nuclear power plant running, you might
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  Speaker 4: have to be replacing the same solar turbines, the solar panels,
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  Speaker 4: and the wind turbines multiple times. And not only is
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  Speaker 4: there a cost related to actually producing those solar panels
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  Speaker 4: and those wind turbines. But in addition, there's often an
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  Speaker 4: undocumented cost associated with the disposal of those solar panels
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  Speaker 4: in wind turbines. Now, I think the bottom line here
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  Speaker 4: is this a computer model drawn up by the CSIRO.
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  Speaker 4: There's not no more than the more than fifty countries
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  Speaker 4: around the world which are going to pursue nuclear for
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  Speaker 4: the first time and are seriously looking into it, or
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  Speaker 4: the thirty two countries around the world which already have
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  Speaker 4: nuclear power. Ultimately, when people bring up this gen cost report,
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  Speaker 4: which is full of limitations, it is ultimately a distraction
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  Speaker 4: about having a genuine conversation about why nuclear power is
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  Speaker 4: still banned. Here in Australia, we're the only member of
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  Speaker 4: the G twenty with a ban on nuclear power. And
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  Speaker 4: as all of those countries have shown, they know that
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  Speaker 4: nuclear power is needed in order to ensure that they're
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  Speaker 4: able to reach net zero whilst keeping power prices down
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  Speaker 4: and having a reliable grid. So if we are really
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  Speaker 4: serious about addressing all of those challenges, we need to
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  Speaker 4: have a serious conversation about nuclear power and looking and
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  Speaker 4: basing all of our energy policies on a single report
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  Speaker 4: like this with such serious limitations I think is gravely concerning.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think you put your finger on an absolute
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  Speaker 2: how in that report you could have also added, by
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  Speaker 2: the way that the Netherlands new government there has just
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  Speaker 2: said we're turning back from these manic global warming policies renewables,
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  Speaker 2: we are going to go for nuclear power as well. Now, well,
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting, you know, like for decades have been reporting
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  Speaker 2: on the global warming, sorry, the anti nuclear hysteria in
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  Speaker 2: this country that I think has marinated the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: and much of the Labor Party. There seems to be
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  Speaker 2: a shift now in attitudes to nuclear power. I find
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  Speaker 2: it fascinating that someone of your age now is daring
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  Speaker 2: to say, what are people twice your age or three
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  Speaker 2: times your age do not yet dare say about nuclear power?
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  Speaker 2: That it can work and would be a good idea,
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  Speaker 2: and why don't we try it? Have you noticed any
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  Speaker 2: change in attitude yourself to nuclear power in this country.
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  Speaker 4: I think there has been a really major change in attitude,
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  Speaker 4: and it's because so many people in Australia are concerned
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  Speaker 4: about climate change. And if you're concerned about climate change, well,
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  Speaker 4: why wouldn't you have nuclear power on the table it's
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  Speaker 4: a zero missions technology and it's the only guaranteed path
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  Speaker 4: to be able to get us to net zero in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: You look at France at the moment, they'd be generating
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  Speaker 4: about one hundred percent of their power from low emission sources.
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  Speaker 4: They've already done this energy transition and not only do
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  Speaker 4: they have some of the lowest power bills in the world,
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  Speaker 4: but they've also got extremely reliable electricity. Now, how have
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  Speaker 4: they done that. They haven't done it with a risky
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  Speaker 4: one hundred percent renewables only approach like our government is
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  Speaker 4: currently trying to invent. What they've done is they've used
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  Speaker 4: around sixty five percent nuclear. They were able to deploy
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  Speaker 4: around fifty reactors within fifteen years, and now they're seen
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  Speaker 4: around the world as one of the best countries when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to addressing climate change. So that's a big thing.
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  Speaker 4: But I think there's a severe disconnect with our politicians
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  Speaker 4: where they're still lingering on with this fear mongering about
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  Speaker 4: nuclear power. You even have to look at the Labor
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  Speaker 4: Party today and they're running ads where they've got nuclear
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  Speaker 4: big AI generated images of nuclear reactors behind the Sydney
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  Speaker 4: Opera house with big class above them. You can look
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  Speaker 4: it up on the Internet and there's simply fear mongering.
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  Speaker 4: And what it does most importantly is it undermines Australia's
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  Speaker 4: trust in Australia's nuclear science capability, which is so concerning.
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  Speaker 4: We've got a research react to thirty kilometers from the
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  Speaker 4: Sydney CBD producing life saving nuclear medicines. And for politicians
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  Speaker 4: to basically forget the benefits of nuclear power and pursue
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  Speaker 4: ideology over the facts is I think, really really concerning pathetic.
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  Speaker 2: They may as well imagine a wind turbine stuck in
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  Speaker 2: the sales of the Sydney Opera House, just as unlikely
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  Speaker 2: will Shackle. Thank you so much a d for your time.
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  Speaker 2: Terrific stuff, Anthony Alberineasy, it just doesn't stand on these
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  Speaker 2: very ugly anti Israel mobs on our streets now. And
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  Speaker 2: the pressure went on him today to at least call
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  Speaker 2: out the disgraceful decision by the International Criminal Courts Chief
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  Speaker 2: Prosecutor of British Muslim to seek a warrant to arrest
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  Speaker 2: Israel's Prime Minister for war crimes along with leaders of
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  Speaker 2: the Hamas terrorist group, as if they were all morally alike.
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  Speaker 2: This was all that Albanezi would say yesterday, you have
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  Speaker 2: put the joy Biden seeking arrest warrants on this Rala.
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  Speaker 2: That is his outrageous.
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  Speaker 5: You agree, well, I don't comment on court processes.
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  Speaker 2: Pathetic. Now today Alexander Downer, the Foreign minister who signed
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  Speaker 2: us up to the International Criminal Court in nineteen eighty eight, said, look,
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  Speaker 2: Australia should now consider withdrawing from it if it does
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  Speaker 2: go ahead with these ridiculous warrants and opportunal need to
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dunne today would not rule that out.
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  Speaker 6: In the first instance, it needs to make sure that
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  Speaker 6: there is moral clarity in our country, and that is
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  Speaker 6: to reverse the decision and to put pressure on the
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  Speaker 6: ICC to make sure that they reversed this terrible decision.
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  Speaker 6: That's the first instance. And then I think the next
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  Speaker 6: steps in relation to what you were doing beyond that,
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  Speaker 6: I'm very open too. I don't rule it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Albinizi today still refused to budge. It's like it's
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  Speaker 2: crawling for the votes of Muslims here and the kind
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  Speaker 2: of people who on Sunday in Melbourne protests that again
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  Speaker 2: against Israel, this time by trying to crash a peaceful
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  Speaker 2: rally against anti Semitism that was called by Christians and Jews.
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  Speaker 2: Now I have seen reports suggesting that both sides of
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  Speaker 2: this protest were as bad as each other, and police
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  Speaker 2: clashed with both. But that's hiding once again the truth
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  Speaker 2: about the anti Israel protests that Albinize is effectively encouraging
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  Speaker 2: with his silence. Now, Harvievany was there. He's a reporter
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  Speaker 2: from Rebel News. He is not afraid to go right
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  Speaker 2: up to protesters of the hard left and ask them
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  Speaker 2: the hard questions, although he is smart enough to do
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  Speaker 2: it with a huge bodyguard. And most of what I'll
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  Speaker 2: now show you of that anti Israel process on Sunday
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  Speaker 2: is what he's posted. This is the kind of protests
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  Speaker 2: that Anthony alban Easy is unleashing, or helping to unleash
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  Speaker 2: with his refusal to condemn the sort of extremes. And
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  Speaker 2: we're seeing, for instance, many protesters there dressed like Palace
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  Speaker 2: and in extremers, faces covered yet again, and they bullied
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  Speaker 2: even this woman in a wheelchair and Israel supporter. She
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  Speaker 2: was mobbed by these anti Israel protesters. One ran off
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  Speaker 2: with her Israeli flag, which was later burned. They also
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  Speaker 2: tried to push back police forces and abuse the police
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  Speaker 2: on them as animals. Weren't even stripped off his shirt
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  Speaker 2: to apparently try to physically intimidate Yemeny.
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  Speaker 7: Are you a real man, real man of real manager?
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  Speaker 2: In fronding debatable, You can't touch the can't tell if
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  Speaker 2: you've got no heart, you're not curry.
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  Speaker 8: Just I hear by myself in front of thousands.
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  Speaker 2: Of people because I'm a similar resistance joining me is
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  Speaker 2: Yemeny A have you great to see you again? Look,
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  Speaker 2: you've come to a lot of these protests, is what
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  Speaker 2: I've just shown here, typical of them.
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  Speaker 5: Sadly for any thanks for having me, Andrew Sadly, I'd
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  Speaker 5: say it's usually worse because on a regular week you know,
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  Speaker 5: since October seven, in fact, up until this weekend, there
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  Speaker 5: haven't been many police around who are willing or available
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  Speaker 5: to deal with the thugs, so usually they would get
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  Speaker 5: away with the crimes, the violence. Whereas on Sunday you
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  Speaker 5: saw police moving quite quickly.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact they arrested six protests. Isn't what I
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  Speaker 2: didn't see reported the newspapers was all, as I understand it,
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  Speaker 2: were from the anti Israel mob. Not a single protest
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  Speaker 2: from the pro Israel crowd were arrested, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that said something about the behavior. Now, Ave, I've shown
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  Speaker 2: before footage of another protest outside Victorian Victoria's Parliament, again
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  Speaker 2: involving you. You try to interview a pro palesce inan
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  Speaker 2: extremists have already been charged with kidnapping and torture about
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  Speaker 2: recent violence at that protest protest, and here is how
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  Speaker 2: he reacted to you.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I'm gonna get you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 4: Now what are you going to do? Live? What are
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  Speaker 4: you going to live?
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  Speaker 1: What are you going to do?
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  Speaker 5: Live?
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  Speaker 9: Get my way?
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  Speaker 4: You're off, Get my way, Stay out of the camera.
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  Speaker 2: Way you want to make to get him?
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: Why did you turn my way?
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  Speaker 10: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Why did you turn my way?
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  Speaker 1: This is Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: But here is the police reaction to that clear threat
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  Speaker 2: to you.
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  Speaker 5: The face of Hamas.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get involved in that.
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  Speaker 5: It probably should though he's out on bail for kidnapping, torture.
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  Speaker 2: Have you any what are you noticing about the policing
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  Speaker 2: of these protests and the reporting of them.
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  Speaker 5: Andrew, firstly, tell me what other event in what world
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  Speaker 5: can you go up and act like that violently in
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  Speaker 5: front of in front of police, and not only they
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  Speaker 5: don't intervene, they tell you that, they literally tell you
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  Speaker 5: that they witness the crime and they just let it happen,
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  Speaker 5: and they tell you that they can't do anything about it.
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  Speaker 5: There's no other place that happens. It's like a protected species.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, if you go to any on the weekend
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  Speaker 5: to any pro Palestinian anti Israel prokramas let's call them
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  Speaker 5: for what they are protests and you wave in Israeli flag,
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  Speaker 5: you'll get mobbed and then you'll get whisked away an
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  Speaker 5: issue to move on order for your own safety from police.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's insane. And the insanity of it all
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  Speaker 5: is that once again it's been done with the media's
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  Speaker 5: kind of help, the fact that they can even compare
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  Speaker 5: these groups, or they're unwilling to really hold them accountable.
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  Speaker 2: I was struck by the fact that the media reporting
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  Speaker 2: I saw did not draw a contrast between the two
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  Speaker 2: groups see pro Israel and the anti Israel because it
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  Speaker 2: was so stark and I think said so much. What
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  Speaker 2: did that difference to you?
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  Speaker 5: Well, Pasually, the idea that I saw the reporting that
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  Speaker 5: six were arrested and they didn't actually tell us which
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  Speaker 5: group they came from. Now, all you had to do
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  Speaker 5: any journalist that was there and was honest, anyone that
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  Speaker 5: was there and honest and looked at the two groups,
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  Speaker 5: you could see clearly.
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  Speaker 4: You look over at.
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  Speaker 5: One group, they're chanting genocidal slogans, there's not one Australian
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  Speaker 5: flag in the crowd, and they're calling for the destruction
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  Speaker 5: of Israel. But then also in Australia, the other group,
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  Speaker 5: on the other hand, gathered were chanting songs of love,
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  Speaker 5: the Australian anthem and waving Israeli and plenty of Australian
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  Speaker 5: flowers because they love. You can see they love, they
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  Speaker 5: love Australia, they love Israel, they love Western for you know,
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  Speaker 5: Western democracies, they cherish freedom, and any reporting that doesn't
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  Speaker 5: highlight that is absolutely dishonest.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's absolutely correct, because I interpret this
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  Speaker 2: is not just an attack on Israel, it's an attack
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  Speaker 2: on Western civilization and Australia. This involves us too, And
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  Speaker 2: I think it's been the mask is being ripped off.
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  Speaker 2: It's becoming more and more obvious. And thanks Avmany for
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  Speaker 2: your part in making that so obvious by filming it.
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  Speaker 2: Really appreciate that thank you adream after the break, when
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  Speaker 2: did see let's listening to the ABC this morning, why
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  Speaker 2: is it celebrating a shelter training women to drive out
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: spirits with a spoking ceremony. And there's something else that's
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: bizarre about this and hypocritical and to culture wars. Well,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I do want to get back to the Prome Minister's
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: refusal to defend the latest attacks on Israel. But but
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: first another cultural change, another sort of war against the
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: West really and our values and on reason, the ABCZAM
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: program this morning was so excited good news from Armadale
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: When a group of Aboriginal women in northeastern New South
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Wales warned that a local family violent shelter had bad spirits.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Management took it seriously, and they.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Sure did take it seriously. They two years ago brought
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: in an Aboriginal guard to smoke out these bad spirits.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: As the shelter boss explained, back then.
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  Speaker 7: We've been getting lots of stories about a spirit that.
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  Speaker 9: It's been stuck in the building here.
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  Speaker 11: The smoke will end up up through up the stairs,
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: through the room to cleanse the place of as I said,
• 21:10
  Speaker 11: the evil spirits.
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  Speaker 2: She said they were getting four or five women a
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: month that were too scared to go in that building
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: because of the spirits stuck in there. So anyway, but
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: apparently that smoking wasn't good enough. Well so I believe,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: because I'm not sure whether the spirits came back, but
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: there was a problem, the ABC said this morning with
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the bloke that hard back then to do that smoking.
• 21:38
  Speaker 11: Bringing a man into a women's space had its own
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: is shoes. So the shelter went through a painstaking, year
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: long consultation process in partnership with Naywata Aboriginal Corporation to
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: develop a women's smoking ceremony.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: We're hearing this correctly. I cannot believe that a women's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: shelter dealing with the messy violence has the time to
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: spend one whole year developing a women's smoking ceremony to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: drive out spirits that I suppose that Aboriginal bloke, well
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: we're supposed to have got rid of already. Who's praying
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: for all this sitting around talking about imaginary spirits? But
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: that's not all. Join me is Rondine at sort of
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the Spectator, Australian hosts of Outsiders on Sky News every
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Sunday at nine am Rowan. All this time spent on
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: training women to use Aboriginal magic to chase away spirits.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't this center have used instead a Christian priest to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: conduct the exceorss, of which it would have done for free,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: since half the country's Aborigines are in fact Christians. What's more,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: a survey of this Armadale region showed that there are
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: more than thirteen thousand local Christians, just forty seven Pagans,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: fifteen witchcraft believers would you believe? And only seventeen people
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: in the whole shire, male or female, claiming to follow
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal traditional religions.
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  Speaker 9: Well, Andrew, you're onto something here. And first of all,
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: all Australians wish to close the gap. That's what we
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: pay a large proportion of our taxes or Australians pay
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: a lot of money towards closing the gap. But strikes
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: me here they're trying to close the gap between science
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: and superstition, and that's not a gap that you will
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: ever ever close. There's a bit of there's a strange,
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: little kind of racist thing here going on because the
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: ABC reported that there was spirits, But when you actually
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: listen to the video from the woman from the center.
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: There was one spirit and he stubbornly refused to go away.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: Who's to say that this spirit was an Aboriginal spirit,
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: as you say, because if not, would the smoking ceremony
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: work on a non aboriginal spirit. Ghostbusters or poltergeists or
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: exorcists will work on all sorts of different spirits. But
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: the reason that this spirit stubborn they refuse to go
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: is either because the smoking ceremony didn't work first time round,
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: or the smoking ceremony was written by a man and
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: this particular spirit said that's it. I'm not moving now.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: All of this has its own amusing sides, but more importantly,
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: it has its serious side. You referred to it the
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: money being paid. So Australians, as I said, pay a
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: lot of money very generously towards the welfare of Indigenous Australians,
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: and particularly women and women in Indigenous women are the
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: worst victims in Australia of domestic violence. So you've got
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: two very serious issues here. One, Andrew, is the money
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: being paid. Is this really the best use of it?
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: And you've asked that question, I would argue, no, it's not.
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: But More importantly, domestic violence is, as I say, incredibly
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: serious issue and it has many reasons behind it that
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: people look into, sociological, psychological, criminal behavior, all sorts of reasons.
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: And for the women of Armadale being led to believe,
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: particularly the indigenous women as they are kind of told
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: in the videos from this particular center, that the smoking
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: ceremony will have a positive effect, I think is misleading.
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: I might be wrong. Perhaps the smoking ceremony, maybe the
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: domestic violence that they've suffered through and hopefully will never
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: suffer that through again, but have suffered through, will somehow
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: the effects of it will be ameliorated through the smoking ceremony.
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: But I think it's a big ask and I think
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: it belittles not only the seriousness of domestic violence, but
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: I think it also raises huge question marks about whether
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: our money has been wisely spent.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Well, what about the money on the ABC rong You
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: haven't even addressed that yet. I mean you've hit the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: main points, but the ABC here, I ask you, would
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the ABC have been so supportive of an exorcism that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: it is of this feminist smoking ceremony even though you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: like I say, infinitely more aboriginal. He is a Christian
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and you know a sort of Aboriginal spiritual worshipers. Would
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the ABC say, oh, it's wonderful. They dragged him father
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: a grainy to come in and do a Damien sort
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: of exorcism, and you know, we reckon it worked, And
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: now they're training women to exercise. I mean, no way
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: would the ABC do that. Why then do they patronize
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: this particular sort of exorcism a smoking ceremony.
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: Well, you're right, and they if a priest went anywhere
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: near the place, forgive the pun, they would demonize the priest.
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: It would be like Damien from the owner training, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: we would hear all sorts of things about how this
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: guy that that the exorcist was probably a pedophile priest,
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: or he was this, or it was that or whatever.
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: They would demonize the priest, not the demon. But no,
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: if it's if it's an aboriginal religious ceremony, we're all
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: expected to take it very seriously, including the ABC. All
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: other or the Christian religion. No, no, no, you mock that,
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: You ridicule that for all it's worth. But other religions
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: they get the red carpet, They get all their superstitious
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: beliefs are taken at face value.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder whether the ABC realized is it's mocking
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: them in or it's doing the dirt on the favorite
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: religion of most Aborigines. How racist are they? I asked
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Anthony alban Easy refusing to condemn the International Criminal Court
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: after as Chief Prosecute said he wanted charges for as
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister alongside hamas terrorists as a war criminal. How
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: on earth can the Prime Minister justify refusing to have
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: an opinion on something as as ludicrous and as explosive
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: as this.
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's absolutely disgraceful. And Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wog
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: have done everything to sort of it's as if they
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: have some kind of secret agenda to push towards the
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: delegitimization of Israel. Everything they do is always putting Israel
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: metaphorically in the dock. Right from the word go. They
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: changed disputed territories of Juda and Samaria to the occupied territories,
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: therefore immediately accusing Israel of putting Israel in the dock. Basically,
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: they've were quite happy to vote against our allies at
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: the United Nations to push for recognition to reward the
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: people who had butchered, murdered, raped, beheaded, tortured Israeli women,
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: men and children only a few months ago, to reward
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: them by granting them at the United Nations a vote
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: that Hamas themselves applauded. So everything Anthony Albanesi and Pennywong
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: have done has pushed towards the delegitimization of Israel. This
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: is not the final step, but another step along that path.
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: And what Anthony Alberizi has done by not doing what
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: Peter Dutton quite correctly and Alexander Danner quite correctly and
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: others have said if this goes ahead, Australia must pull
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: out of the ICC. I would go further and say
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: Australia should be looking very seriously at whether we belong
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: in the United Nations. When they stood there praising the
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: butcher of Tehran and lowering the flag for a man
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: who'd murdered and created misery for millions of Iranians, particularly women,
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: why we are a party to this mob I find unbelievable.
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: But for Anthony Albanizi to pretend to hide behind the
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: fact of you know, there's a court case underway, well
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: a there isn't a court case underway, but b it's
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: an international criminal court that has no jurisdiction over Gaza
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: and no jurisdiction over Israel.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: So it is a show.
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: It is a show trial. It's worthy if it goes ahead,
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: It's worthy of the Soviet Union at its worst. We
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: should have no partners. We fund these clowns. The only
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: way we should be the only thing we should be
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: doing is withdrawing our money as fast as possible.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't even think there should be an if
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: about it. If they go ahead, just do it. I mean,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: how much success is the has the ICC actually had?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: How many criminals has it actually.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Brought to book?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Very very very few? And for it to devote its
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: resources to this case to Israel, I mean, seriously, it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: just sick. Honestly. Rohn Deine, thank you so much in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: ded for your time. Wow. Anyway, after the break, Channel
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: nine finally gets serious about claims against the top news
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: executive and the one reassuring thing had the terrible turbulence
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: on a Singapore Airlines flight that killed one passenger or
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: all that. After this our bad new selves, it might
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: not be surprising that the one silver lining in the
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Singapore Airlines tragedy has been overlooked by the media, yet
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: it's something that does answer the one fear I have
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: when flying, as it will be doing again on Friday.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: This Singapore Airlines plane hit a massive down draft out
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: of nowhere and dropped the one hundred and ten meters
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: at once, and just when meals are being served, so
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: bodies and plates were flying everywhere. Now, as I say,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: it's a tragedy because of seventy three year old Bridge
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: mandaid of a heart attack and six people were critically injured,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: which isn't really so surprising given what happened there. I mean,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: one hundred and ten meters dropped all at once, look
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: at the destruction in the cabin afterwards. But this from
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a Sky News reporter summing up the event, I don't
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: think is quite right.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: Singapore Airlines is regarded highly in the industry and this
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: is a relatively rare incident, but it is one that
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: may well strike terror in many.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Scun News Britain, by the way, which tends to see
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the dark things in everything. Joining me is Sophie Elsworth
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Media Right, for the Australian newspaper. Sophie, thanks for joining us.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: You've got a media scoop for us that I'll get
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: to in a second, but I'm starting with this, not
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: least because I'm going on a plane to myself and
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I'm looking here for reassurance, I guess, but I think
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I've actually found it now. That reporter was saying this event,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the plane dropping one hundred and ten meters all at once,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: will make us feel terror But this actually answers my
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: big fear when there's bad turbance. Could the wings crack
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and fall off if it really gets bad? And the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: answer seems to be no, keep your seat belt on
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and you'll be okay. Reassuring or not.
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: Well, Andrew, I think it is reassuring, and hopefully you
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: can get on that plane when you head off overseas
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: without too many worries. But you and I both know
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: whenever you encounter to turbulence, it's so frightening sometimes, but
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: you never expect it to end badly. So I think
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: it is reassuring to think that despite people getting injured
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: and sadly one man dying, they were able to walk
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: away from this incident, you know, pretty much unscathed. It
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: was pretty frightening vision but thankfully it ended not as
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: badly as it could have been.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I tell you what the stewards, what do they call
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: them now? I can't say Stuart. This is as Steward's host.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Now they're called flight attendants. Thank you, flight attendants. They
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: won't have much trouble getting Bilow Bay when they say,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: you know, keep your seatbel on, not for another what
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: week before people forget? But anyway, so sorry, you've been
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: reporting on another media company with another ledged scandal. We've
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: had Channel ten already with Channel seven go through the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: ring in, particularly over the bri is slim and stuff.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Now Channel nine there have been reports of the company's
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: most senior news boss there and we left the organization
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: in March, of course, but following allegations of inappropriate behavior
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: towards a female staff member. Now nine CEO Mike Sneezebee
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: has spoken about this today to staff. What did he say?
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: That's right, Andrew. In an extraordinary email to staff this afternoon,
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: mister Sneezeby came out and urged employees Andrew to come
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: forward and report any complaints about inappropriate behavior in the workplace. Now,
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: this move is clearly trying to flush out any bad
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: behavior from within the organization that now looks like it
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: might have a serious problem on its hands.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely correct. So what does this mean for Channel nine?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Do you think you know a head's going to roll
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: over how this departure Wick was handled.
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: Well, Andrew, Look, there's no doubt senior executives are under
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: pressure over this situation relating to Darren Wick and The Australian,
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: the paper that I work for, repeatedly asked Channel nine
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: about his whereabouts in the weeks leading up to his exit.
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: Now he wasn't at work and we were asking his
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: whereabouts and we were told he was coming back to
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: the office and there were no talks that he was leaving. Now, this, Andrew,
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: has proven not to be the case, and it seems
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: mister Steesby and nine's communications director Victoria Bucken are both
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: under incredible pressure over the handling of this fiasco, which
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: may I say, only came to light after we broke
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: this story out the Australian.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you know this is all very weird, Sophie, because
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: when you say that, immediately I think, look, so until
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: you broke the story, Channel nine had not our staff
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: to come forward and report any complaints. A bit inappropriate
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: behavior in the workplace. But now that you've broken the story,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: it has have I got that right? Is that correct?
• 36:11
  Speaker 10: Well, Andrew, it appears that this email from mister steees
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: Mey today is the catalyst. The catalyst was the situation
• 36:19
  Speaker 10: regarding Darren Wick and the allegations that have been reported.
• 36:23
  Speaker 10: So this is pushed nine management to do something about it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: They have a serious problem and they are a network
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: in damage control.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I think they need to explain why this comes
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: after the story becomes public and not before. But anyway, look,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I have to add that Sherry markson straight after the show,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: hang on for that viewers, because she has got an
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: interview with a woman who believes that we believe is
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: at the center of some of these allegations and she's
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: got a story to tell and you hear it here
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: after the show Selfie Elseworth, thank you so much in
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: def your time, really appreciate it. After the break, look,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I got to ask the question again, where is this
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: man Minister for Immigration. It seems to be again in
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: hiding after yet another disaster on his watch, and this
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: time someone is dead. Immediate view of feedback, are just
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: going to answer that? One viewer says, Look, they've been
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: having to walk because of all these anti Israel protests
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: almost weekly. They've got to walk all the way from
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the city in Melbourne to their place. I won't say
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: where exactly and secure the road because the trams are
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: blocked every single time. I mean, how long is this
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: going to go on for? And another viewer is complaining,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I said the aircraft singpoor airlines hit a Downdrup bang
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: one hundred and ten meters just like that. He said, no, no,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: all the reports that it descended six thousand feet in
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: five minutes, that is true, that's what reports said. But
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: the rest was a controlled, quick descent. I mean it
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: might have been scary, but it wasn't like, you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: bottom like that a whole six thousand feet. Hope that
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: clears it up. Now has anyone seen this bloke? This
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: is your immigration minister. Sadly he's gone missing yet again
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and no one seeing any hide nor hair of him.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Not a word from this bloke. And the reason, of
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: course is simple, because yet again there's been an immigration disarser.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately this one fatal. Andrew Jarles, immigration minister, in January,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: issued a new directive. He said if non citizens come
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: before a decision maker charge with the crime. Please be
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: more careful before you throw them out of the country
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: if they've lived in Australia from a very young age.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: He's talking about someone like Emmanuel Saki, who's now twenty nine,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: but he came to Australia from Sudan on a humanitarian
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: visa when he was just twelve years old. Unfortunately, Saki
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: since then has proved we're absolute mugs that let him in.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: He's got a long crunal record, spend jail time a
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: couple of times, including for reckless threats to kill, assaults,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: choking a person unconscious, and eventually he was told well
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: out you go, visa canceled, see you later. But then
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: this Ssaki appeared before a deputy president of the Minister
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: of Biels Tribunal under Jarles' new rules, and the deputy
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: president said, nah, actually you can stay. You've been here
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: so long. Got to give considerable way to that. Plus,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: of course, says he said, there's not a high risk
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: of reoffending. Sadly, Saki has now been charged with murdering
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: a man in Brisbane on Mother'stday. This man now Jarles
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: isn't fronting the media to talk about this, but the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Opposition leader sure is.
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: As you can read in the judgment, this person would
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: have stayed in the position of having their visa canceled
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: if the old rules had have applied, not the new
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: ones that mister Albanezy introduced, and Minister Giles needs to
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: front the media today to explain the reasons and why
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: this person was allowed out into the community.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Joining is the panel fit a liberal MP? Garth Hamilton
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: and Evelyn ray Scone his contributor farmer regular commentator on
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: this show. Garth, where is Andrew Jarles.
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: Wherever he is, He's clearly in over his head. I'm
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: sure he's going to pop up next week and question
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: time with a very snide set of answers or carefully
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: prepared because how this is somehow someone else's fault, This
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: is Peter Dutton's fault, or this is the fault of
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: the aat at somebody else. That's what he's been doing
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: all the way through every one of his blunders. But
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: let's be very very clear the result here, the release
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: of this gentleman, is the explicit desire of the minister.
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: That's exactly what his directive required, and there's only two
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: options here Andrew. Either Minister Giles accepts that this is
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: what he wanted, or accepts that he is so unable
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: to understand the consequences of his directive that he couldn't
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: foresee this very clear outcome happening. Either way, it's not great.
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: This is a minister who has presided now over multiple,
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: multiple failings. This is a very serious one and this
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: goes right to the heart of the intentions of this government.
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: This isn't an accent. I don't believe at all. This
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: is exactly what this government was hoping to do. And
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: the consequences are terrible and it's a very very sad day.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Well, we don't know about the consequences because we do
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: not know that this man is quite right. You know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: that's for to decide, So we don't know that. But
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I have to say, Eblan Ray, what would you like
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Andrew Jolson front up and explain exactly.
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: Well, first of all, Andrew of course is in hiding,
• 42:12
  Speaker 12: and he's in hiding because there is absolutely no defense
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: for his pitiful actions. You know, this is a perfect
• 42:21
  Speaker 12: example of putting the safety of Australians last, and that
• 42:25
  Speaker 12: is the opposite of what our politicians should be doing
• 42:28
  Speaker 12: for us. I mean, you would be prosecuted for letting
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: looser dangerous dog on a society. Yet these politicians, these magistrates,
• 42:36
  Speaker 12: these judges, all these people in charge who continually let
• 42:40
  Speaker 12: these violent thugs go at our expense suffer absolutely no consequences.
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: So you know what I would like to him.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: To explain Again, I've got to say, we do not
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: know whether this guy is guilty of murder. We know
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: it's charged with murder. We also do know that it's
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: got a criminal record that's quite serious, and I thought
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: would have disqualified his right to be here, But there
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you go. Look, the whole thing is quite weird. And
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I think Garth, you're right, he has a front up
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: a question time, but I think it run dead. He'll
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: say I cannot comment about a case that's before the courts.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I think that'll be his get out there, honestly. But
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, he's still running dead on the jew
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: hatred that's out there. And we gave some examples of
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: some of the extraordinary scenes on the streets now and
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: it's getting worse. A bakery in Western Sydney has now
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: baked a Hummus theme cake for children's body. That's a
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: cake to celebrate terrorists, a group that's actually banned in
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Australia as a terrorist group that committed the rapes and
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: beheadings and slaughter on October seven. And the party even
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: had children dressed as humas terrists too with Hammas decorations.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Garth Hamilton, I cannot. I know it's a track line,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: but it's literally true. I cannot recognize the country I
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: grew up in what I'm seeing now. What's happened?
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: I think I know what's happened, Andrew. The harsh truth
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: is that for a long time we've been afraid to
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: stand up and say what has been happening. That there
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: has been a significant disconnect in the way that this
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: country has been and the way that this country is becoming,
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: what it's moving towards. This isn't something that happened over night.
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: You don't just allt of a sudden have a terrorists
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: being celebrated at a children's birthday party. That's not something
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: that happens by accident. There's been a long, slow march
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: that has happened here and we've eroded. I think something
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: very important in Australia. How on earth we could walk
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: past this and let this happen to become a country
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: where this sort of thing could take place. Honestly, I
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: actually feel terrible for future of the young kids. What
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: kind of message are they growing up with? What kind
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: of warped messages are they being given? And how on earth?
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: And I was speaking earlier before I came when your show.
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: I was speaking to a senior Australian Jewish leader and
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: we were just bemoaning how we got to this point.
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: This isn't the Australia that we grew up and this
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: is what we were proud of. This isn't what my
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: grandparents fought for on foreign soil. We've gone wrong and
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: I think, Andrew, we've gone way too far.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: How have we gone wrong? Evelyn Ray?
• 45:28
  Speaker 12: Look, I've said it before, Andrew, and I've said it
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: multiple times, But if you want a multicultural society, if
• 45:34
  Speaker 12: you want to import people with fundamental different belief systems
• 45:39
  Speaker 12: to our own, with allegiances to you know, groups or
• 45:43
  Speaker 12: organizations that our government deems a terrorist organization, then unfortunately,
• 45:49
  Speaker 12: this is the consequence of that.
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: We're going to.
• 45:51
  Speaker 12: See these things playing out in our own soil. And
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: you know, there's not a law that the government can
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: pass to stop it. That's the sad reality because we
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: have to acknowledge the fact that when you import people,
• 46:05
  Speaker 12: you don't just import really nice takeaway foods or spices.
• 46:08
  Speaker 12: You don't just you know, import someone that you live
• 46:10
  Speaker 12: next to, and you know that trumps everything. But you
• 46:13
  Speaker 12: import ideologies, You import ideas, not just the individual person.
• 46:18
  Speaker 12: And that's what we're seeing playing out. So I think
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: that the problems that we're facing have like garths that
• 46:26
  Speaker 12: have been here for a very long time, because I
• 46:28
  Speaker 12: don't think we've been careful enough with who we're letting
• 46:31
  Speaker 12: into our country and what we're allowing people with fundamental
• 46:35
  Speaker 12: differences get away with for a really long time.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I think that's correct. I think there's been a denial
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: of the fact that you don't import just the person
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: you import, of course the cultural assumptions that come with them,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: for good or for bad, or for just difficult, that's all,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: you know. I wonder whether it's just naivety. Well, it
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: is naivety. It struck me ever since I was young,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: and you know, backpacking when I was seventeen, all that
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: kind of thing overseas Australians and included myself very keen
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to please, to believe the best of people. We are
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the people who tipmost, who are nicest. It seems to
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: always seemed to me nicest the foreigners. When we're traveling.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: We didn't want to offend anyone. We didn't haggle at
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: markets or anything like that. You know, we were we
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: had big, wide eyes and wanted to embrace. And I
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: think we ignore the fact that people don't always mean
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: the best, they don't always think as you do. They
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: do have different values. And I think we've run the
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: immigration policy in the same way, and the refusal to
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: criticize or to demand assimilation comes from this same sort
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: of too desperate eagerness to please.
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: I hope we stay with some of those simple, wonderful
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: elements of what it was to be Australia. I hope
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: some of those things stay with us, Andrew, I really do.
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: But yeah, we also have to acknowledge that there are
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: countries out there that don't wish us well, and people
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: who don't believe in the things that we believe in,
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: and sometimes look, boil and water just don't mix.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I would have thought the penny should have dropped even
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: with John Howard, who was not so naive, set up
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: a Muslim Advisory Council and we find that it was
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: nearly nearly half the membership. We're supporters of Hezbollah, which
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: is another terrorist group, this one in Lebanon. Gath Hamilton, Hamilton,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Evely and Ray thank you both for your time. Well
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: that's it for me. Coming up now is Sharry Marx
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: and like I said, she's got an exclusive that I
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: think you'll be very interested in involving poor channel known
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: good note