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JFK ASSASSINATION - EP. 397 - Signature Analysis · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: and and here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Oh lie, what's up? Everybody? Welcome in? Welcome in. It
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  Speaker 3: is The Loon Gunman Podcast, Episode number three hundred and
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  Speaker 3: ninety seven.
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  Speaker 1: Joe, boy, we're almost that four hundred We are, we are.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we got a little bit of a different show
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  Speaker 3: here for you tonight, where it's it's not really gonna
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  Speaker 3: be too exciting, but it will be interesting. And we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be analyzing a lot of different Oswald signatures because
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  Speaker 3: sometimes depending on what these signatures are on and help
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  Speaker 3: us to determine whether or not there was someone impersonating Oswald.
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  Speaker 1: And impersonating his signature.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe we can figure out who and for what reason,
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  Speaker 3: maybe allegedly maybe. Yeah, Well, we're gonna take a look
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  Speaker 3: at all this funky stuff Joe tonight, but first, if
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  Speaker 3: Trey is Deuce Trey. Thank you for joining us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope you're hanging in there, buddy. And Tiny
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  Speaker 1: And so she sent me. She sent me. It's okay.
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  Speaker 1: She sent me an email earlier today and on the
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  Speaker 1: members only, on our part two of of Archives Visit,
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  Speaker 1: we went over some very interesting early days of James
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  Speaker 1: Herbert Martin, and she found some inconsistencies in some of
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  Speaker 1: those documents since that me an email in terms of
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  Speaker 1: why it was a federal case and for not really
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  Speaker 1: a federal crime. I'm so thank you, t D. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't really had a chance to dig into that yet,
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  Speaker 1: but I appreciate it. TD is on James Herber Martin.
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  Speaker 3: Three kids James Herbert Martin poonhound. I just don't know
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  Speaker 3: if it runs into family.
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  Speaker 1: how are you? Mike the library man, Hey, Hey, hey,
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  Speaker 1: how are.
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  Speaker 3: And I like listening from the upside down in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, let's see. Oh that's me JB. Martin saying hi,
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  Speaker 1: Would that be you? That would be me.
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  Speaker 3: Big Man Bob A aka Norman Cockwell.
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  Speaker 1: That's a pretty good alias. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like it.
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  Speaker 3: It's got a nice ring to it.
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  Speaker 1: It does. Sally, Hello, how are your Derek Schwinderman? Good evening? Everyone,
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  Speaker 1: Good evening to you, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Wait what did Sally say?
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  Speaker 1: I thought you can translate? I can I just have
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  Speaker 1: to see it again.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right treacles In English that means all right, testicles.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's what it means, dude.
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  Speaker 3: They love to eat sheep testicles over there saying their delicacy.
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  Speaker 3: That's deserved.
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  Speaker 1: Warm all right, trying the Anthony thrip. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, the Flesh, the Man, the mid the legend. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I remember that episode, journalist Arlitch.
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  Speaker 1: How are you? Paulinch? Fellow Payson playing it classy today?
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  Speaker 1: In my Lee and Jack podcast, mister Scott t Shirt okay,
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  Speaker 1: nice nice Claude Williams. And of course aunt you Deane,
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  Speaker 1: says Howdie. And she always signs for our room. All
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  Speaker 1: the lone stars.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, she's got the chilli to smother that hot Doggin.
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  Speaker 1: Up, Bobby, Bobby Thundernuts in the house.
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  Speaker 3: Up what I'm laying down? Hello, mister Thundernuts. Welcome in, sir, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I agree, lucky bastards you.
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  Speaker 1: Mister Ashley. Morning from down mboys.
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  Speaker 3: What's up?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Joline?
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  Speaker 3: Good evening man, Joelene?
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  Speaker 1: Hello, dog Star City? What are big dogs?
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  Speaker 2: What up?
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  Speaker 1: Sir?
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  Speaker 3: I believe also an Aussie.
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  Speaker 1: We love the Aussies here.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they are all listening upside down on the flat
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  Speaker 3: earth on there here we go. We're huge in Australia, Joe,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why, but we are not so.
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  Speaker 1: Much in Canada. Allegedly.
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  Speaker 3: No, we are frowned upon in Canada. One Canadian in
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  Speaker 3: the chat.
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  Speaker 1: Not yet. Andrew might be listening, but yeah, not not
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  Speaker 1: as much. But oh so all right, So you know,
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  Speaker 1: as we get into some of the pictures of the
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  Speaker 1: handwriting evidence, of Oswalt and signature evidence. The HSCA did
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  Speaker 1: do a good amount of analysis on this topic, Rob, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they brought a couple experts in, and I figured
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  Speaker 1: i'd read the short summary first to kind of set
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  Speaker 1: the table.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they were trying to address the whole two
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  Speaker 3: Oswald theory, which was very popular in the seventies. They
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  Speaker 3: dug the sum bitch up in nineteen eighty just to
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  Speaker 3: make sure.
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  Speaker 1: So I'd argue it's still popular today. Yes, So this
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  Speaker 1: is the examination of handwriting and foot evidence. Admitted by Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Well, sorry, I was reading Matt David's comment later when
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  Speaker 3: I'm off work. It's okay, buddy, you can you can
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  Speaker 3: catch him. You can catch him later.
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  Speaker 1: It's all good, yeah, hope all as well. Matt. Good guy,
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  Speaker 1: not in the David Fairy sense.
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  Speaker 3: Legit good guy, legit good guy.
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  Speaker 1: So summary submitted by Joseph P McNally, David Purtell, Charles E. Scott,
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  Speaker 1: and Vincent Scalise. Summary. The experts studied fifty four documents,
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  Speaker 1: which included writing samples that were verifiable as Lee Harvey
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  Speaker 1: Oswald's writing, Marina Oswalt's writing, and Jack Ruby's writing. They
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  Speaker 1: also studied examples of handwriting which may or may not
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  Speaker 1: have been written by one of these three people. Generally,
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  Speaker 1: the task was to determine that the Lee Oswalt who
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  Speaker 1: applied to the Marine Corps in nineteen fifty six Exhibit
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  Speaker 1: four seventy nine was the same Lee Oswalt who wrote
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  Speaker 1: the Historical Diary in Moscow in fifty nine and signed
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  Speaker 1: a hotel registrar in Mexico City in September sixty three.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna bring that up because I
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  Speaker 1: don't have that. That's thanks for reminding me. Summary. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, they set out to determine whether there was
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  Speaker 1: an Oswalt impersonator signing documents as Lee Harvey Oswalt over
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  Speaker 1: the seven year period fifty six to sixty three. They
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  Speaker 1: also compared examples of Marina Oswald's handwriting to evidence that
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  Speaker 1: was alleged to have written by Marina Oswalt. In quotations
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  Speaker 1: the FPCC card signed by Ajhidel, the experts compared his
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  Speaker 1: signature on an undated Cuban identification card signed Jack Ruby.
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  Speaker 1: Two examples of Jack Ruby's signature, and Vincent Scalise verified
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  Speaker 1: that the finger and palm prince, which appeared on the
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  Speaker 1: three different lee of Oswald fingerprint cards belong to the
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  Speaker 1: same person.
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  Speaker 3: And just the quick aside, right there, Joe, real quick.
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  Speaker 3: You know, these fingerprint analysis were done sixty some years
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  Speaker 3: ago without the benefit of computer technology. I would like
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  Speaker 3: to see an updated computerized fingerprint analysis of the fingerprint
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  Speaker 3: evidence against Oswald because I think we might be surprised
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  Speaker 3: that some of them might be a little different. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying I think it would be interesting because
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's such an open and shut kind
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  Speaker 3: of thing, because again, experts can be wrong. Hello Mac Wallace, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so called experts can be so called wrong. And unless
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  Speaker 3: it is being done by a non human.
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  Speaker 1: Entity like.
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  Speaker 3: Computer or an artificial intelligence, I think it would be
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  Speaker 3: very interesting to uh, you know, upload some samples of
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  Speaker 3: Oswall's known fingerprints to the fingerprints in evidence that were
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  Speaker 3: you know, collected against him. I think it will be
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  Speaker 3: a very interesting analysis to do updated.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I have one hundred percent agree. I just
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  Speaker 1: wonder if there's the appetite and the big swinging d's
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  Speaker 1: that are kind of leading this charge, have any appetite
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  Speaker 1: for that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the big swing in d doesn't have to be
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  Speaker 3: a big swing and could be you or me. We
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  Speaker 3: just have to take the time to you know, get
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  Speaker 3: legit Oswald fingerprints, you know, like from his arrest, you know,
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  Speaker 3: where we know it's him on the fingerprint card, and
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  Speaker 3: get copies of the you know, fingerprints from the sniper's
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  Speaker 3: nest if you will, whatever, or off the rifle and
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  Speaker 3: just upload them to AI and say, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 3: do these match? How many points match? Do you see
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  Speaker 3: in these?
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  Speaker 1: What are they compatible? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean you don't have to be an expert, just
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  Speaker 3: just just you know, and it doesn't have to be
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  Speaker 3: sett in stone. You can just see what AI has
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  Speaker 3: to say about it. I mean, it's basically analyzing photographs
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  Speaker 3: and giving you unbiased information.
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  Speaker 1: M I just think it would be interesting. I agree,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that could be one of our future.
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  Speaker 3: And even it could have even applied to the handwriting
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  Speaker 3: analysis as well. You know, you could take known writing
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  Speaker 3: of oz Wald and compare it to sus writings of Ozwald,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and see see what AI or you know,
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  Speaker 3: a computer has to say about it. You know, because
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  Speaker 3: handwriting analysis is very subjective, as we'll see here this evening.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like.
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  Speaker 3: Photography analysis, you know, everybody sees something different in a photo,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and it's very hard to convince everybody of
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  Speaker 3: anything when you're doing photographic analysis or even hand handwriting analysis,
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  Speaker 3: like we're going to talk about here to see me,
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  Speaker 3: because hell, we were looking it up before the show.
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  Speaker 3: We were thinking, okay, was Oswald because like, left handed
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  Speaker 3: people write with a noticeable slant because they have to
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  Speaker 3: curve they kind of curve their their their hand around
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  Speaker 3: to grip the pen to write on the paper from
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  Speaker 3: left to right, so that you know, left handed people
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  Speaker 3: normally have a a very pronounced right right way slant
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  Speaker 3: to their writing, whereas right handed people, you know, it
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  Speaker 3: could be different because you're going from right, you're right handed,
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  Speaker 3: you're writing from left to right. H You know, we
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  Speaker 3: were seeing what you know, it was Oswald left handed
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  Speaker 3: or right handed? And Joe found something that said he
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  Speaker 3: was left handed, and then found something that he was
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  Speaker 3: right handed. Margit said he was left handed and made
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  Speaker 3: him start writing right handed. Who the hell knows?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And Rob, like I was telling you before the show,
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, double B comes through?
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: So thank you Brandon for doing that. Appreciate it. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: and Rob what I was going to say, thank you Brandon.
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  Speaker 1: I talked to him earlier today. And you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you're left handed and you're writing left to right and
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  Speaker 1: I am left handed, if you're not careful, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: smudge some of the ink as you write along.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I'm saying, you gotta kind of curl
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  Speaker 3: your freaking hand around and right like this so you're
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  Speaker 3: not smudgeing everything.
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  Speaker 1: As you go along. It's very annoying.
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  Speaker 3: And Muslim you could write from right to left, and
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  Speaker 3: it wouldn't be a huge issue right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And I believe Jewish too right that I would
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  Speaker 1: not know, I believe, so I ask character. But as
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  Speaker 1: we'll see in a lot of Lee Harvey Oswald's writing,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it kind of tilts to the right.
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  Speaker 1: And there are many examples of this.
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  Speaker 3: And way do you guys right from right to left?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? And it is Uh, it's gonna be Doublebee's birthday
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  Speaker 1: on Monday.
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  Speaker 3: Oh Joe has Happy Birthday to you before the end
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  Speaker 3: of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Then maybe I'm members only bro.
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna be after his birthday. You have to do
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  Speaker 3: it before his birthday.
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  Speaker 1: I hate, I hate. It's cringe to sing happy birthday
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  Speaker 1: for me to me or anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he would love it, he would love it. We
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  Speaker 3: haven't heard Joe's pipes on here in a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Man, just loosened them up. Yeah, melt it out.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see. You got all showed a convincing yes, good luck.
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  Speaker 3: Back to our handwriting analysis.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 3: Were you done with the summary?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm on page two or four. Okay, go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: So background, Joseph McNally, this is an HC analysis again,
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  Speaker 1: was formerly a document identification and handwriting expert with the NYPD.
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  Speaker 1: He was a fellow at the American Academy of Forensic Sciences.
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  Speaker 1: David J. Purtell was chief document examiner for the Chicago
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  Speaker 1: Police Department. He was a fellow also of the AAFS,
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  Speaker 1: the past and past president of the American Society of
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  Speaker 1: Question Document Examiners BSDs.
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  Speaker 3: Here, Rob, well, look, man, you can have as many
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  Speaker 3: of these initials after your name as you want, as
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  Speaker 3: many years, spend as college as you want. Again, this
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  Speaker 3: was a very long time ago, folks, pre.
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  Speaker 1: Pre computer right almost fifty years right now.
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  Speaker 3: And while analyzing handwriting is very much different from fingerprints,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as we'll see when we get to the
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  Speaker 3: their analysis of their examinations and you look at ours
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  Speaker 3: that we're going to do here tonight, we're not going
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  Speaker 3: to agree.
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  Speaker 1: On certain things. But Prey continued to his book. This
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  Speaker 1: is Charles C. Scott Photographic Evidence was the standard textbook
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  Speaker 1: on document examination. Vincent Scalise was president of the Forensic
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  Speaker 1: Control Systems, Incorporated and formerly a detective and crime scene
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  Speaker 1: figureprint examiner for the NYPD as well. So now I
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  Speaker 1: think we're in volume eight, a list of sixty three
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  Speaker 1: items originals and copies examined by the handwriting panel. Included
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  Speaker 1: in this list are following Lee Harvey Oswalt's Marine Corps.
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  Speaker 3: We're not going to read all sixty of these, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, it's not included our Lee Harvey Hoswalt's Marine
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  Speaker 1: Corps paperwork, Lee Harvey Oswalt's passport application forms from fifty
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  Speaker 1: nine to sixty three, personal writings of Oswalt, correspondence to
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  Speaker 1: the US Embassy in Moscow from Lee Harvey Oswalt, Immigration
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  Speaker 1: papers of Marina Oswalt, a copy of the backyard photographed
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  Speaker 1: inscribed on the back to my friend George firm Lee
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  Speaker 1: and hunter of Fascists ha ha ha. And a page
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  Speaker 1: from the hotel Registrar dated nine twenty seven sixty three
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  Speaker 1: and signed online eighteen Lee Harvey Oswalt, three InCD fingerprint
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  Speaker 1: cards of Lee Harvey Oswalt, and exemplar writings of Marina
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  Speaker 1: and Jack Ruby. The panel concluded the following. The signatures
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  Speaker 1: and handwriting purported to be written by Lee Oswalt were
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  Speaker 1: generally consistent and were written by one person. This is
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  Speaker 1: an interesting sentence, Marina wrote. The signature AJ Hihdell on
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty three fair Play for Cuba Committee membership card.
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  Speaker 1: All three inked finger and palm prints were identical and
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  Speaker 1: were also.
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  Speaker 3: Once Now again, I don't know about you, Joe, just
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  Speaker 3: from personal experience, and do you sign your name in
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  Speaker 3: cursive a lot?
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  Speaker 1: I do not, unless it's a signature.
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  Speaker 3: That would be the very definition of signing your name
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  Speaker 3: in cursive.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So Rob, I actually want to bring this up.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me. I did a little experiment
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  Speaker 1: today and I signed my name Jay BURRELLI three different
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  Speaker 1: times throughout the day, in the morning, the afternoon, before
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the pod, and I was going to take a picture
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of but it was so bad because none of them
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: looked alike. I mean, like the Jays, you know you
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: can kind of see some.
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  Speaker 3: That was my point. So I signed my name a
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: lot in the course of my job, multiple times a day, right,
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  Speaker 3: And I generally when I'm signing, I will sign in
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  Speaker 3: cursive my first full god given legal name, Robert.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So not R. Roberts.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I will. I will write out Robert Clark or
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I will write out Robert W. Clark, Right Like when
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I'm signing like official ship, I will throw the w
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: in there. But if I'm just signing my name for something,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: whether it be you know, on a document or if
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I'm receiving something in something like that, I'll just I'll
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: sign Robert Clark. But what I've noticed is when I
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: signed my name, it, I mean, I don't have the
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: neatest handwriting in the world, but I don't have the
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: worst handwriting in the world, you know what I'm saying.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Like my son somehow has like the the most beautiful
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: writing that I've ever seen a man do.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't know where he got it from. He
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: sure has hell didn't get it from me, that's right.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: His mother wasn't around, so uh, I guess he paid
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: attention to school. And I don't know. He can't draw
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: with a shit, but he can certainly write like masterfully.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: It looks beautiful and it's very uniform. But but like
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: when I signed my name, generally, like you said, I
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: could sign it three times in a row and it's
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: going to look similar but slightly different, just based on
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: the speed that you are signing your name, the amount
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: of concentration, Like if you really don't give a fuck
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: about you know, you're just signing, you know, but if
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: it's something like important, you might pay tension, like you
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: want it to look good. So you're like, okay, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: but if you know, if you're just kind of like signing,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: like you know, okay, I'm signing for a delivery. Okay,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: there's my name, fun funk Off. Yeah it is a
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: lost art, you know. But uh and and we still
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: have trouble reading cursive very badly here.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: But you know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: That's why I say, you know, the handwriting analysis is
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: not a perfect science, perfect science, because you know, somebody
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: could sign like I said, five different things, and there
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: could be many factors that go into the reason why
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: they don't look necessarily the same. What I look at
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: when I'm analyzing these signatures is specific letter structure that
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: stand out. So when I'm signing my name, I'll do
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: a very dialized specific R, right, that was my guess, Yeah,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: And then I'll do the Obert right, And then I'll
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: do my C a specific way. And I don't leave
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: my C standalone, like I'll go right into the L
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: because it's just a fluid motion. So'm I'm making a
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: C right into the cursive L A R and my
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: k's are always fucked up. Cursive k's I have, Yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: they're they're they're always they always look different. I mean
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: they could be scrunked, or I forget a branch off
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: of the K or something, or it doesn't look right
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: and I gotta add a branch. There's a ton of
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: things that go into actually signing something. And when we're
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: looking at Lee Harvey Oswald stuff. To me, what stands
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: out that really really helps try to figure this out
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: is the structure of the L, because that is the
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: first letter. Okay, now, if your name was Lee, Okay,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: like if my name was Lee, if I'm if I'm
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: signing Lee cursive, I know what I'm doing. I'm I'm
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: making a stylized L going right into the ee.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, M.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: And then we can look at cause lowercase e's really
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: are you know, nothing special, but the way you style
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: a L can be done in a lot of different ways.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And then the next thing I'm gonna we're gonna look
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: at is the h's. Like when he includes an H
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: in his signature, we've we've noticed there's been a specific
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Well let me pull this up here just to show everybody.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: M hm, all right, this is.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Something that Jack White put together a long time ago,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: all right. And I don't know where these signatures come from.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I mean I know where some of them come from,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: but not.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: All of them.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: So if you're looking on the left at the very
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: first one at the top, you know you can see
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: he signs it Lee h Oswald and all the ones
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: in the column on the left. Folks, look at the
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: way that the L is stylized and flows right into
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the ease like I was saying that I would do
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: it right. His l's have a very specific starting point
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and a loop and then a down and then almost
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: back into itself before he starts into the ease. Right now,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: if you go to the one two, three, fourth one down,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: his l okay starts way over to the left, comes
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: in for a very tight loop, goes down and then
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: loops up and back over before going into the EE,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: which doesn't match the ones above it, which is odd.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: And then if you look at the H in Oswald
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: starting at the very top one, you can notice that
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: his H has a hook. It almost looks like a
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: candy cane, like he makes a candy cane, you know,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: a straight over dash and then another line, and you
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: see how the writing naturally leans to the right. It
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: has a conspiracy lean to it, So you see the
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: hook on the H. It's a very specific deal on
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: the top one, on the second one. The third one's
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: kind of hard to see the bottom one. I said,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: it's a very noticeable, but again it's lacking that second.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Line for the H.
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  Speaker 3: And then the third thing I look at when we're
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: looking at Oswald's thing is the oh. The way you
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: stylize an O is very specific, the way you where
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: you start when you're cursiv ing and oh. Like when
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I'm writing, I start almost if the O clock face,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I start at the twelve o'clock noon spot right, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I will make an oh, and I will leave it open,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: and then I will start cursive lowercase S.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: W A L D.
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  Speaker 3: Now the way Oswald did it, he starts to like
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the nine o'clock spot and comes in and then continues
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: his cursive and one solid line flowing into the.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: S right right w right right.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: The O connects to the S in a sense, correct, yeah, yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: And these the D at the end can also be
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: stylized and analyzed as well. The way it loops up
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: and kind of goes off. So that's the kind of
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: things that we're looking for here when it comes to
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: try to matching these signatures up now on the left side.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: These you know, if you go all the way to
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the bottom and look at this Lee Oswald signature, like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: what the fuck is that?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: That does not look like a Lee h Oswald signature
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: to me. I mean it does say Lee h Oswald,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: but it's way too wonky looking, like he must have
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: done that left handed, in the dark or drunk or
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I don't no. So then we go over here to
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: the right side, and you'll see a couple of different
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: variations of exactly what I was saying. So over here
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: on the right side, you'll see all the h's don't
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: have that hook on it, like starting with a hook
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: and like it makes that cane shape. There is no
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: hooks on the hs right and instead of a dash,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: he's doing the line first and coming up meeting the
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: other line and then crossing back over into the a
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: of Harvey or there is no Harvey, but you can
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: see it on the second line from the from the
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: top on the right, how he does an H so
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: he makes a diagonal line and then he starts on
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: this other diagonal line comes down up and over all
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: one fluid motion on that second line. And then but
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: something bothers me about the O and Oswald here.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: It's not connected to the S.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: There's no oh stylized looping right mm hmm. And like
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the one on the top, the O is weird, looking
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: like it starts in the completely wrong spot, right m hm,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: as opposed to all the other ones on the left. Now,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: this one down here, the fourth one down, well, let's
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: go to the third one. The third one looks like
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: a mess to me as well. It doesn't look legit.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: The fourth one down again, The H in Harvey is
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: missing the hook. The lee looks a little better. The
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: O looks more legit, right.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: M hm. And then.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: You can kind of see how he does his wys
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: and Harvey.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Right with a kind of trailing off to the left
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: if you.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but look at the very bottom one on the right.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Look how he spelled Harvey Lee Harvey. There's no V.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Or there's no R.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: One of the two is missing a letter in there somewhere,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then it looks like.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Instead of an L in Oswald, it looks like an
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: eye like a dotted I.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: These are all very suspect. And you got to remember, folks,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: when we're talking about Lee Harvey Oswald and his edge
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: imacation and all the various schools that he went to,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: he didn't have much more than probably really shitty, like
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: eighth grade education, you know. And I don't know exactly
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: how much practice or he got with his writing. You know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: we can see examples of his writing, and as we're
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: going to look at here tonight, though, we do.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Have examples of it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: So all right, back to you, Joe. Sorry, I just
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: wanted to point that out real quick. You know how
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: it is to like pick apart a signature, you.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Know, right, And to Sally's point, it is easy to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: pick apart signature as we alluded to before. Like my
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: three signatures I wrote today were very different. You can
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: pick them apart in ten seconds. Uh. You have to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: account Oswalt's age, the importance of the doc when looking
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: at doc's mood changes your signature, type of pen, paper,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: two too many variables. I don't disagree, Yeah, I don't disagree.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: You could have a shitty pen, you know, yeah, or
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: you could be writing on shitty paper. Have you ever
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: had one of those, like receipts you have to sign, Yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: fucking pin just won't write on it for whatever reason
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: until you like put it on on top of a
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: sticker or something.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like yeah. Or when you're maybe receiving a
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: package and you're writing, you're holding something on your right
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: hand and you're I mean, I'm left you, but you know,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: my left hand's writing and my right hand's holding up
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the surface if you will, like that's a mess.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you might be signing in the air, not on
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: a desk like a flat surface, you know, right, So
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I do a J and a B and I just go.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of variables that go into handwriting analysis.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: That's why I think will be interesting to see, you know,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: what a computer analysis would be or an AI analysis
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: would be of this some of this handwriting stuff because
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: they can see little nuanced things that maybe we can't see.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: And look, I'm no expert on handwriting, but I do
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: play one on TV well on YouTube occasionally. Yeah, been
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: known to also doctor shot.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: We thought it would be an interesting topic. So so yeah,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: let me see when we finish this. Uh did I
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: read this already okay. In McNally's conclusions, he explains two
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: documents where the handwriting does not seem to correspond to
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the others. The signatures of Lee h. Oswald in receipt
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: for his salary at the TSBD do not correspond to
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the other Oswalt's signatures, and the writing and signature on
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the Dear Mister Hunt note does not correspond to the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: other examples of Lee Harvey Oswalt's writing. He notes, however,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: that they were working with a poor photo reproduction of
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the Hunt note, which makes analysis difficult and the note itself.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes a difference too. That's a good point, Joe.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: If you're looking at the original document, are you looking
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: at a shitty photo copy.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, We're gonna see a lot of shitty photo copies
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: in my PowerPoint. Don't worry. McNally concludes that the person
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: who wrote Ajhidell on the fair Play for Cuba Committee
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Membership card was consistent with the exemplar writing of Marina Oswalt, which,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: if true, would be interesting.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: We've got a lot of big swinging ds in here tonight, Joe.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: We got tim from the Ceifer Pass, Jess Common, it's
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: a star studded all star cast HEJS.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Hey, Tim, how are you hey? I already said how'd
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: it met? But we love you. Last note on this summary,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in addition to the three fingerprint cards from Oswalt's induction
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: into the Marine Corps, his arrested in New Orleans's arrest
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: in Dallas following the assassination scalise, This is the fingerprint
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: examiner and pomp prints taken from the assassination's rightful and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the six flour of the TSBD. He identifies the controversial
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: pomp print lifted from the underside of the man Looker
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Carkano to be identical as Lee Harvey Oswalt's right palm.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: So we're not gonna get the fingerprint stuff much. But
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't there allegations by the was it the mortetician that
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: FBI agents came in later? His fingerprint wasn't found on
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the car Kano right away but later a partial fingerprint?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Was Am I wrong about that?
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: There's something fishy going on with the fingerprints found in
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: the car?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Conno because.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: In the book First Day Evidence, they kind of lay
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: out the fact that they did lift a print off
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: of the rifle, but they did not turn that print
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: over to the FBI, and it's been kind of claimed
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: throughout the years that you know, the DPD didn't find
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: any fingerprints on the rifle or I'm sorry, they sent
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: the rifle the FBI didn't find any fingerprints on the rifle,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: and then they sent it back and something like that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's very convoluted. Somebody found the print,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: a partial palm print under the barrel later, not initially
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: right away. And but allegedly this guy what was his name,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Rusty hit Matt Dallas, probably.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Screaming in his living room right now, Russell.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Livingstone, damn it, I heard you all away from Dallas,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Rusty Livingston and book.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: He claimed that they pulled a partial fingerprint off the
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: trigger guard and then when he lifted it, it went
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: and took it off the rifle. And look, the DPD
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: was not very happy about having to share evidence with
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: the FBI. Once all that shit got shipped over, you know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and taken the DC by Vincent Draine. The DPD weren't
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: sharing right at that point because they were pissed that
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: the FBI was taking all their evidence, right, I mean,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: it was a Dallas crime, not a federal crime, but
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the FBI is like, hey, give
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: us everything you got. We're taking it all to Washington.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: We'll handle the analysis.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: You know, elementary school DPD folks, they didn't put very
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: much faith in their crime scene forensics. If you will
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: mm hm.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: No, for sure, Rob, I am having trouble on this
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: late date live finding Lee Harvey Oswalt's signature on the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: hotel ledger in Mexico City. So as I pull this
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: up my PowerPoint, do you want to maybe work on
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: that in.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: The background, I will see what I can find live.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Potting ladies and gents. So there's also another HCA handwriting
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: analysis that is more detailed than the one I read before,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and it deals with the same experts. Maybe I'm just
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: gonna read a little bit of this. Uh it's a
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: little long. So the finding and conclusions of McNally. What
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the hell is the hotel called down there? Oh?
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Man, I thought it was a hotel Luna, but it
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: ain't the Luna.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I just have Luna on the brain. Sorry, I can't
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: blame me for that one. Ah. By the way, do
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: you hear that there's some drums on the Luna that
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: maybe she had an affair with no that that would
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: be too juicy with some other MAGA influencer.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: That was solidify my hate for Jefferson Morley.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Let me find out. I don't think he's that slick,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: but uh, but I saw that. It was like the
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: baby mama of Elon musk uh one of them. Yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: her name is Ashley Saint Clair and apparently the first
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: time they got together, after they were done, he pulled
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: over and goes pick a name, and she had his
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: baby and she's like going scorched earth. And she mentioned
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Luna in some of these things.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: The Hotel de.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Commercio. Does that sound right? I believe so it wasn't
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the one that he recommended to the Aussie chicks.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Cala Bernardino Dosa Hagoon number nineteen allegedly.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Whatever that means. What the hell am I looking for?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Or am I looking at? I don't.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: So.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of the coclusions of this are very drawn
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: out and would be boring to read. Documents one, four, nine, eleven, twelve, seventeen,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: and twenty two and blah blah blah. We're all signed
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: by the orphe Oswald. So essentially the summary I read
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: is that they pretty much concluded that.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: All of them will did correct, which we know is
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: not true. It can't be true, so let not be true.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Let me.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I know I've seen that hotel commercial ledger and the signature,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: because it's not it's not it's is it? Is it
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Harvey Lee? Oh no, it's it's Lee Harvey l h
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: O Lee. Yeah, Harvey Oswald Lee.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Come on, and I guess we'll I mean, I
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: get started as you look.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it might take a hot minute here, It's okay,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: maybe more than a half minute.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I dropped it on you quickly.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe never.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried looking for it really quickly and I couldn't.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: But I did want to compare to that. And maybe
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: we'll do it at the end of the PowerPoint. So
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: that's a good one. It's a good one. It's a
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: good one. Uh could you uh add the pp PowerPoint
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to the screen? Will be there you go. All right,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So let's get into this here. These are two of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I believe some of the ones that these are JFK
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Exhibits four seventy nine and for eighty one. And you
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: could tell with the L here that little loop through
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the L. Harvey and the Oswalt with the O kind
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of connecting a little bit to the S. Not really,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: but what is from? Again, I don't have the exact documents,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: but these are JFK I believe Warren Commission Exhibits four
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: seventy nine forty one. The rest of them I have
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the names for. Okay, you could see the little L here,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: although it's not it doesn't really cross. The initial.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Kind of looks like it's got the vague loops.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, vague. You do have a little bit of the
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: hook on the H. And of course the O doesn't
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: have that continuous thing here, right, But these are bad copies.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: These are the BIRCHAM Texas Employment commit Exhibits. This is
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: number one. And this is interesting because by the way,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: opto four sixteen sixty three. Yeah, oh no, that's that's
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: it's the twelfth. I'm sorry, No through April sixth, not seventh.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Right, No, he's said fifth, but.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, the next one is fifth. But you could
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: see he's really like like writing carefully.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Here, right, Well, this is printing and we don't even
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: know if he printed this. It could have been whoever
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: worked at the Texas Employment.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Commission that wrote this. First name, the first one.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: His address as well, right, I mean his local manly
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: address is seven five seventh Frint Street. I believe that
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: was the Moretz address. That does not look like Oswald's
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: writing to me.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. It doesn't really go to the
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: right very much, as we're going to see in the
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: next slide, which to your point, Rob, you could see
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: how this part and the Jaggers part are probably not
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: written by him, But the bottom part is, in my opinion,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: last day I worked four five sixty three claim date Friday,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: November April twelve. You see the kind of l's and uh,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: what's an eye?
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: The eye?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but even the l's are are kind of similar.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: It was laid off by Jaggers Child's head of photography
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: and art department due to lack of work.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: On sixth right.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, he was claiming a lot of overtime. So very
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: interesting thing there is we don't even know for sure.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: This is the fair Play for Cuba Committee New Orleans
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: chapter card L. H. Oswalt, signed by Lee Harvey Oswold,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: and I'm sorry for the bad quality here. I'm not
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: sure if this is the one that the handwriting experts
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: said might have been written by Marina. But if so,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: she had Oswalt's signature down because you have the L
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: with the kind of loop through the first L, the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: H with that little candy cane thing you described, and
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the O connecting to the S through the O and
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the D. So I'm not sure if they were referring
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: to another fair Play for Cuba Committee card Well.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: I think he might have signed his name and she
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: might have signed aj Idell is what they're saying.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, okay, allegedly that's interesting why she would Well,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: we'll look.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: At some more of Marina's writing here in a little bit.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: But to me, it's just not I don't know or anything. Yeah,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying like this, Lee Harvey Oswell's signature
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: is almost certainly him based on what at least leg
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah. Now we're going to look at lho's
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Texas School Book Depository application in October nineteen sixty three.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: And on the left, it's kind of a big screenshot
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: of the whole document and you can kind of see
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: the the font is and the writing is kind of
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: still tilted to the right. Let me see if h
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: look at any Yeah, you can see the H and
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: leaving for a last job. H has the candy cane
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: still on the first part of the H. Yeah, the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: signature looks legit.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: The printing, however, at the top, something doesn't feel right
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: The printing at the top. What do you mean by that?
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: You mean the first the first three lines type of thing?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well the stuff is not incursive. Okay, So he
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: prints his name right, mm hmmm. He doesn't sign he
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: doesn't write it incursive. It just looks too neat to
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: me to be Oswald's handwriting in print, too neat for
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: me to be by lead like that screams ruth fucking
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: pain to me.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: But could be, could be?
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: That was my thing every I got the first part
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: for you. I get to do his flat res right.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It just doesn't seem right to start
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: off a document printing and then suddenly halfway through chains
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: the cursive.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: It's just what is the school name that he parts
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Arlington Heights? Arlington Heights? Okay. Two dependents, which at that
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: time would have been I don't think June was born. Yeah, yeah,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: not Rachel was important yet USMC because it was close.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Where is your father employed dead? Is your mother employed? Yes?
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: He's employed at the cemetery. He's watching some dirt.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Interesting that he puts a line through veteran. I mean
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: he was very kind of not religious in a sense,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: so I could see why he puts the line through church.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Any physical defects, No, did you do you room and board?
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: No?
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Interesting? And we know Oswald lies on some applications. Larry
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Hancock has gone over to this and at Osseum.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Well, he's using Ruth Payne's address. He's not using his
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: need whatever temporary address, you know what I mean.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: And then let's see if we could read some curse
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: of should you like to mention some of your special
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: abilities you would like the company to know and considering
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: in your application? Uh, clerical, I think accounting work on
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: military service service.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Experience with ditto adding, adding, and some typing machine and
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: filing systems.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Right. We know he did take that typing class, right.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: And again, if you're filling out a job application, you
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: are consciously writing more legibly than you normally would correct.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Right, if you're compared to signing a package you receipt
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: for a package, Yes.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Because you want whoever is getting this application to be
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: able to read it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Right, put your good foot forward in a sense. So
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: now we have the LHL letter to the American Embassy
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: January nineteen sixty two. Of course he is in the
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Soviet Union at this point. Interesting thing about this is
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: it does it really tilt to the right very much?
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: It's very kind of straight. Makes me wonder. I mean,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think Marina could have written it, but.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: It still kind of tilts to the right.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I mean as little, not as much as some of
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: the others. L. H. Oswalt, you have another, you have
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: two L. H. Oswalt's here. I blew up the signature
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: on the right. I'm not going to read all this cursives,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: but he talks about Marina, and I believe he's trying
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: to get back to the United States in this letter.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: So let's look at the signature on the right. You
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: got the the L which kind of loops through, which
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: is kind of consistent, the H, which doesn't have that
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: candy cane type of thing in this right thing. But
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: you do have the O that kind of loops in
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: but doesn't seem like it's connected to the S. But again,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: there are going to be inconsistencies in signatures. So I
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. Now we're gonna go January thirty
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: sixty one from former US Marine Lee Harvey Oswald to
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Second Terry US of Navy Secretary John Connolly and the
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Lee H. R. Oswalt's signature. And this one is kind
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: of consistent as well. You have the L looped through,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: you have the H not really a candy game, but
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: it's close enough kind of. And you have the O
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: which does connect to the S. And let's see if
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: we can see any other letters here quickly.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks legit to me.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree, And this is too Yeah about
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: his he's discharged right right.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Now. Let's go to a LHL letter to Robert Oswalt
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: in August nineteen sixty. I believe it's one.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, well how are you doing today?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Gosh? And what you say you hadn't gone back?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Well you you hurt your back?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Oh you hurt your back?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: You are all right now?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's so much better. Doesn't mean although I did
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: not say anything about this.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: The pictures of Robert Jr. We did receive them.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Didn't you get a.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Thank you note from Maria for the necklace and also
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: for those pictures of Junia?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Anyway?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: You know, you see the signature on the right at
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: the bottom. Of course, he's not gonna sign his full name.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Right to your brother. So if I were a letter
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: to my brother, I just said, Joe's hit Lee right
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: right and is kind of again tilting to the right. Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: In this example, this is another one LHL letter June
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. I believe this might have been too marguerite,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: although I can't be sure.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Signs your brother Lee so like or to Robert, Yeah,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: good call.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Marina sends her love to.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: All something as I do hope to see you all soon.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: I really don't know where it will settle ow sort
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: of like New Orleans. How's the hunting out at the farm?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: How's the weather and all? If you find out any
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: information about me, please let me know. I'd like to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: be ready on the draw as to speak. Well, keep
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: writing until I get ready to leave, So don't quit writing.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Mm hm brother Lee and Marina.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this would this would be right before he
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: left Russia in Juno sixty two.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: I like, how's the weather? And it takes, like you know,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: two weeks for the fucking letter to get to The
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: weather ain't the same, bro, Like it changes every day?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Like you know what the fuck? Okay, again, you could
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: see you could see a lot of the the eyes
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: and some of the elves like this els. These two
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: back to back elves are very consistent in his writing.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I've noticed and again tilts to the right.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the lead at the bottom looks like a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: legitly it's very stylized how it normally is flowing right
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: into the ease.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Mm hm, all right. This is Commission Exhibits seven eighty one.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: What is this? What is that?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: What the address is that? Three? Five one nine?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Fair?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Fair?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: More?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: Is that even an address os Wald ever stayed at?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, h October?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: No, what is that?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Something? Sixty two?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: It's an application for a post office box, is what
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: it says.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Oh oh yes, yes, yes, that's what it is.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: But okay, that that must be right when he got
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: back from Russia or shortly after. I don't know where
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: he was staying.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Is time?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Address is not familiar to me?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I don't know fort Worth.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it says Dallas.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Oh until Yeah, I'm not sure. I just kind of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: compiled a lot of these. But you can see the
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: l you know, I I kind of blew up the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: first one here because there's two signatures on the spaege
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and you can see how kind of different they are. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: on the same document for him, So even the D
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: is very different. The O, I mean, I don't even
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: see you O on the top one.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I see it, but it's not good. The H
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: on the bottom one is not good. No, the LEE
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: looks good. So yeah, that just going to show you
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: how even the signature is on the same document, likely
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: done by Lee. He can look totally different, not totally different,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: but somewhat different, depending on how hurried you are doing it,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: or how much you give a shit about whether they
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: can read it or not, or you know whatever.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: M hm, Yeah, you might be more careful on the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: signature to the bottom than he would be on the top. Yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Who knows.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: He just got back from Russian. He used to write
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: it in Russian. Give him a break.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Rob, this is the signature that you talked
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: about earlier in the Jack White photo that was all
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: over the place. And this is a letter misspelled Harvey
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: too at the top. See. Yeah, yeah, he's trying. He's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: trying to all right, let's try to Oswald, do hereby.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Request that my recent set aship in the United States
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: of America be revoked. I have intended, I have intend
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: the Soviet Union for the express purpose of seeking for
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: citizenship in the Soviet Union through the means of naturalization
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: applying maybe, but you know, my request for citizenship is
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: now pending before the Russian Soviet of the USSR. I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: take the steps for political reasons. My request for to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: revoking of my American citizenship is made only after the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: long longest, longest and most severe intentions or I don't
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: know what that word is there. I affirm that my
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: allegiance is to the Union of Soviet Socialists Republic.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's Commission Exhibit nine thirteen.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Now see this, This screams to me, this is not
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: a real document. Okay, Look, and now I know Oswald
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: was not the smartest person in the world. Correct, But
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: there is a lot of grammatical errors here. Like screaming
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: to me, like, whoever's writing this English ain't their first language,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Possibly Spanish ones.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Well, Russian, I'm guessing since it's a Russian document, you know.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: When he's I don't know, I don't know, yeah, it's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: a It just it just doesn't feel right to me,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Like it doesn't have that right feeling. The signature is
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: also very fucked.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Up, very very different from all the others.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: And we know the Russians were faking documents Oswald documents
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: hints the Hunt letter, right, mm hmm, allegedly.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the okay, go ahead.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: It just seems something something's not right with this one.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't like this one.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not liking this one. The only thing that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: is kind of consistent is that little candy cane on
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: the H. But the H is so narrow, it's so
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: out of whack man.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's going like uphill, like it ain't just leaning,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: it's like going uphill and leaning.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I don't know, I just don't like it.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: It's just this one, this one is the most sus
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: to me. And thats all. It was all over the place, bro. Yeah,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: like the eight, I mean at the top, like I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: don't know, man.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't go from he doesn't cross over the
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: O in the middle like the other ones, right, it
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: kind of tails off the top.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Well that's the l that's just oh right, it's a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: huge loop at the bottom, like it's overlapping the top
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: loop where like with the starting point.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. The signature seems.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Way off, and the body of the letter, the language
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: is just too wonky for me, I mean, you know.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: What I mean. And it doesn't kind of tilt to
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: the right like a lot of other ones do. It's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: very straight. Yep, yeah, I don't like this one. You
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: don't like this one. I agree.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: We'll be deems this one a fake, a Russian cake,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: all right, said he's on the fence about that one.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't say that, legit. Now let's look at
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Commission Exhibits seven seventy three. The rightful order form.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, let's.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: And I don't know because it's the little square order
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: form on the bottom is tilted up to the right,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: which kind of makes it hard to well.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Again, the order form is not incursive. It is printed, okay,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: which is a problem.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: That's a problem.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: And there's also two other things wrong here. So you
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: have lowercase letters in highdel right, the i's lowercase, the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: d's lowercase, the e's lowercase, and the l's are whatever.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: But then the po the box the Dallas and Texas
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: are all uppercase, right, who rights like to? I don't know,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: But now go up to the return address in the
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: top corner of the envelope, right, mm hmmm. We don't
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: really have an A and Lee Harvey Oswall to compare, right,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: but we do have an H for Harvey and Hadel
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: and how he writes his hes.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Ah, I don't like it. It's not It looks more
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: to me like a printed H than a cursive ah.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And let's let's look at the lee here on
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: the bottom right. Where do you see that the bottom
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: right here, that's not a lee. That's Illinois. Oh, looks
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: like he's feeling this to Chicago Illinois. It's okay, Well,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I will say this the l's the l's are kind
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: of it does look.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Like you can't I understand that flow. Yes, yes, it
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: is abbreviated Illinois.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: The two ls do look consistent to some of the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: other l's that we've seen back to back l's. Yeah,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: I will say that again. When you look at the
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: the client's department, uh, Washington, Illinois, right, Chicago six.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Or whatever, here's the here's what's the problem for me, Joe.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: So on the order slip. Texas is capitalized. You know
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: it well, you know T, E X A S.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: It's capitals, right. Yeah, Look at the return address for Texas.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: It's a lowercase T incursive. What the hell?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, up in the you know, the upper left corner
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: of the return of dress. He capitalized the D in Dallas,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: but not the T in Texas. Mm hmm, I mean
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: that T should be way bigger than the rest of xes.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You know what I mean.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: But it's a lowercase T, which is weird. There's just
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: so much weirdness going on here. Something doesn't feel right
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: about this.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, again, he could have been trying
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: to write carefully for the order slip, but there is
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: some weirdness going on.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: And uh uh, but if you're writing carefully for the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: order slip, you would want to write carefully for your
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: return of dress as well. It's the same information A
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: had l the PO box and Dallas Texans same shit.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: It's weird. I'm not saying it's not him, but it's
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: just it's weird.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Very weird.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: This is the my diary and at first I thought
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: this was in Russian, but it is not. But there
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: it's very not tilted to the right. I guess the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: bottom of the left page is a little bit.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: Well, what's weird about this one, Joe, is if you
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: look at it, it flip flops back and forth between
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: printing and cursive at times. Very strange. You see what
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just like taking closer look at it. Yeah,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: it does that. That is extremely weird.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: And now if you're writing a diary entry, right, you
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: think it all be cursive?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Why would you take the time to print a
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: lot of it? I mean, I could see some people
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: can make the argument, well, it might have been written
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: at different times. You know, he could have written something
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: down and did it in print, and then you know,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: six hours later he comes back and starts writing in cursive.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: But like on the right hand side, right about a
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: second paragraph from the bottom, he says, my called passport
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: office something something document, not the Soviet citizenship right, m
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: h that word citizenship he prints out. Now, look two
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: lines down he wrote citizenship again, and he did in cursive,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Like what is It just doesn't make sense And I'm
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: not saying he didn't write it. It's just weird, right,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: Like people don't just jump back and forth between print
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: and cursive like this, you know what I mean?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I'm writing a letter.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I'm probably not writing in cursive, but I'm definitely not
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: writing some in.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: Regular Why and Oswald isn't normal?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Now, I get it, I get it.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: But it's it's a style. It's it's a habit, it's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: what people do.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: It just seems odd to me.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just like every part of this case
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: is odd and some some uh.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Allegedly he wrote this on the trip back from Russia
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: his historic diary on the SS mads down as he's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: being surveilled by the Martins's.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: And lastly, what the UH analysiss the experts declared was
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: not Lee Harvey Oswalt and the dear mister Hunt letter.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Dear mister Hunt, I would like information, uh, concerning my
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: position concerned.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: I am asking only for information. I am requesting that
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: we discuss the matter fully before any steps are taken
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: by me or anyone else. Thank you, Lee Harvey Oswald
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: mm hm.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: And look at the signature here, and you don't have
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: the connecting O. For one, the H is very different,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: the Y doesn't trail off to the bottom left like
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: we've seen otherwise, the L doesn't really look like the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: other l's.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Again, whoever, this mister hunt is allegedly are you gonna
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: sign your entire full legal name to somebody like that?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: With this seemingly innocuous message like, are you gonna, right,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Joseph Philip Brelli?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: No, you're not gonna.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna throw your middle name in there, at
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: least I wouldn't think so.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's like not out of the realm of possibility.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: But I think maybe he's put H if he's gonna
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: put anything right. I mean, it's kind of like nitpicking
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm just kind of looking at the letters.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe the problem with this is that the HENCA concluded
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: that this was likely his writing, or is that what
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: you're saying.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: No, they concluded that this was not authentic.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, well I agree with them. And you know, you
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: could see where parts of parts of this letter were
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: taken from a totally different document and button down into
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: this thing. And again we can pick apart the signature
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: as not being authentic. It's close. It's a good forgery,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: but it ain't. Something stinks about it as well to me.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, let me just double chuck. But I'm
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: almost positive I just read before that they concluded this
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: was the part that was not authentic out of all
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: of the letters that they analyzed.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they desperately did not want this letter to
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: be going to E. Howard Hunt, Yeah, or Ahl Hunt.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: That would be by d. The writing and signature on
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: the Hunt note does not correspond to other examples of
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Lee Oswald's writing. He notes, however, that they
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: were working on a poor photo reproduction of the Hunt note,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: which makes analysis difficult and the note itself suspicious.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: I deem in a Russian forgery.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows? So I believe that is the last
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: thing in my Yeah, that's fifteen to fifteen of my
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: examples here, all right, of mister Lee's handwriting. So maybe
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: I'll hand it off to you if you want to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: get into some arena stuff.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I've got more. I've got some more goodies here, Joe. Okay,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: let me share my screen. Okay, let me share my screen.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Please do let me look at a couple of comments
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: because I I haven't looked at them in forty minutes.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: All right, star a couple.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and dive in here.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, I got a letter here from Oswald while he's
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: in Minsk to Senator John Tower in DC.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm sorry, this is from Lee. Yeah, okay.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: And we have two segment satures on this one. We
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: have one of the upper right corner.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: And it looks.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: Hmm, kind of oswaldy if you will be the pen
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: he's writing with it. This looks more like a marker
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: pin or something.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's very thick, That's what she said.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: But again, like this document is unique because it has
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: his name and cursive three times. So we have it
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: in the top right corner, right, and then he starts
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: off the letter by saying, dear Senator Tower, my name
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: is Lee Harvey Oswald. Now granted this is not a signature,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: but it is a cursively written version of his name, right,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: and again the Lee the Lee looks okay, But I
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: got problems with the H and Harvey and the O
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: and Oswald.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: O seems to be disconnected from the s. You see
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: And then if we go to the bottom, this signature
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: is whack bro oh look at this thing.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, other than the O, which you could make
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: an argument that it connects yeah through the all. Yeah,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: he must have been under the influence that day. That's joking.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: And again it's hard to trust anything coming from Oswald
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: inside Russia to like anything a part of the government.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: Something's not like a letter to Robert or Marguerite or
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: something like that. But like he's writing Senator Tower here.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what he's asking for. I don't
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: even know, but.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: It's wild. Yeah.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, Oswald, let him made public. Released this letter in
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: DC and city received it from Elise Harvey Oswald in
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: sixty two, and then it was written from Russia.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Huh. Again, it's just a weird one.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Mhm, it's a weird one, all right. And then sorry, oh,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: we're saving that one for last.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, here we go.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: This is again.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: An interesting one.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: This is another application for a post office box, this
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: time in New Orleans. And what's interesting about this one, Joe,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: is we have the name aj Hidell and Marina as
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: to who is entitled to receive mail through the box.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, this would be June sixty three. This would be
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: New Orleans Post office box correct.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, box number three hundred and sixty one. Now
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: what's interesting about this? Again?
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: We have.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: The I, D E, L L in highdel in lowercase Marina.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: Everything is an upper case allegedly except for the L
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: and D. But then the signature of Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: He doesn't actually write out Lee, which is fucking weird.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: This is the first time I've ever seen just L
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: H Oswald right, and the oh don't look right. The
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: H doesn't look good, and the l's a little wonky,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: and the D is wonky too. Yeah, very very huge. Again,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know what this means, but like the hidel
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: to me, matches right, the client's money order or the
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: client's order for him. You remember Joe, how that hidell
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: was was spelled out and.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Written, Yeah, you're exactly right. Good catch.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: It looks exactly like that to me and my professional
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: handwriting analysis eyeballs m h. Again, I do play a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: professional handwriting analysis here on television. So you could make
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: the inference that whoever rented this PO box to have
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: the rifle ship too ordered the rifle interesting. Yes, yeah,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: I just don't like that l. H. Oswald's signature. Why
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: he didn't go you know right out, Lee, I don't know,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: never seen him, just the L before.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Very odd.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Next up, here's one you probably have never seen, Joe.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: This is Lee Harvey Oswald's application to the Albert Schweitzer
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: College in Switzerland.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, uh again this one.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: It is weird.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: So all right, that's what would have been in what
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: fifty nine?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: No, I think he did it in sixty or I'm sorry,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, March fifty nine.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: So this is before. This is when he was still
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: in the Marine Corps, but he wanted to start his
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: studies April twelfth, nineteen sixty, right, he says, I herewith
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: apply to attend April twelfth, sixty to June twenty seven sixty. Now,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: if you look at the Oswald on this form, Joe,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: let's go back one and look at the Oswald on
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: this one. See oh w Ald from Marina Oswald, but
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: look at Oswald's specifically, forget Marina, but just look at
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: the Oswald how it's written out. Okay, and then we're
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: gonna go back to the age. Take a good screenshot
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: of that in your brain Oswald. Okay, boom, look at
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: it here on the Alverage Twiser thing. Exactly the fucking same.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Let's look at it again, Boom, look at it there, right,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: screenshot in your brain. Boom, exactly the same.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: Bro. I think this looks more like Oswalt than the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: previous one.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: That.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get there. The signature at the bottom looks legit, right,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: It's got the stylized L going into the lead. It's
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: got the hooked H, it's got the right Oh, it's
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: got a gangster lean to it, right.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Yea. All looks good, yeah, as well as the remarks
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: kind of tilting to the right, if you will looking
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: at it to.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: That end, all right. If you're looking at this Oswalt
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: and comparing it to this one, damn, it looks pretty close.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: But again, this would be admitting that when he rented
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: the PO box in New Orleans, uh, that a J.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Hidel could receive mail there, which is a problem. Right,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: But again, Oswald Oswald looks pretty looks pretty suss to me.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: Very interesting.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: What does it say uh after Russian uh uh eq and.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: Fluency oh other languages you know? Russian equal influency to
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: one year of schooling. So basically he's he knows a
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: little Russian maybe at this point is not fluent. I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: mean he's still in the Marine Corps.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: M h.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: He's still learning. But that's interesting, right, Yeah. So if
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: you think that this is a legit Oswald's signature on this,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: and then he actually did fill this out and you
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: look at Oswald printed up here at the top, I
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: go back to this Oswald to who Marina Oswald? Who
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: could get mail there? Em looks pretty fucking legit. But
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: the signature still bothers me.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: On this. On this one, I don't know unless he
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: completely screwed up the O and the D and everything.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: Well, the problem is he didn't write out Lee and
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: every fucking signature we've seen since you know that we've
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: been looking at here, he's he's wrote Lee, not.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: L mm hmm. Interesting thing. Yeah, all right, I blew
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: this one.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Now, this it's very hard to see, but I wanted
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: to include it because.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can look or what.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: But the reason I put it up here is because
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: it has the Alec J. Hydell's signature on the side
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: of it. Here on the left side mm hmm.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: This would have been the.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: Fake selective service card with Oswald's dumb picture on it,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: fake social security, fake secret service number or whatever that is.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: Selective service. Yeah.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: I was just looking at the alec Ja Hydell and
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: look at that H and highdeal.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: It's got the fucking hook.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: And the two l's are also consistent with the double
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: l's we've seen on previous.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: That H looks just like the H that he makes.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: It's got the hook and then the other line kind
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: of goes down and then it's all one fluid motion
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: going into the eye and high dell and it's got
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: the lean yeah. Interesting right, all right, now this one here,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: this is I believe the order slip or I don't
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: know what this is. Yeah, the order slip for the
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: pistol to see ports. Okay. Now here we have the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: aj hihdel signature. Okay, this is from March twentieth of
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: sixty three. All right, again, the H looks good. Right,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: it's got the hook, but not the not the candy
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: cane hook, but it's got a hook. Yeah.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: And then it's got that.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: Second bar in the H going down one fluid motion
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: crossing over back to the first bar. And then immediately
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: into the I and then flowing into the de E.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: L L double which do look consistent. And again this
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: one is.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: Capitalized in the right places, lowercase in the right places.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: It's interesting. I don't know what to make of it,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: but it's interesting.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Now the A.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: Is a lowercase A and a J hidel, which is weird.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: But if we go back to this and blow up
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: alec is a lowercase A.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: As well, right, which is weird. He might not have
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: known how to do.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll, we'll, We'll get there, I promise. But yeah,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: that's that's odd.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, let's see what you got.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, mm.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: This is a letter he's writing to August Hall in
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: New York.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: This is the guy from the Communist Party of America, right,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: He says, I followed the activities of the Communist Party
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: for the last few years and have decided that it
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: is very time, timely and correct for me. It's this
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: time to apply for membership in the Communist Party of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: the US.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: I wish to become a member so that I may
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: share as fully as is possible your traits and your
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: trails and tribulations, as well as your glories and victories
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: very sincerely, Lee h Oswald. Now I don't know about
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: this one. The Lee looks okay, right.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Does the H not so much?
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: And the O is not right for sure?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Well he missed the middle of the right.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: But I mean it could be the PO box, all right.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: So look at the bottom left corner where it's PO
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: box two nine one five, Dallas, Texas. See how he
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: has a giant slash going through the X in Texas, right,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: and notice how the D is in Dallas. Okay, so
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: keep that in your brain.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, screenshotted, Yeah, screenshot.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: In your brain. We're gonna go back to this one,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: all right. See how the big stylized D and this
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: is the Texas and it's got the big slash through
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: the X. Now not quite as pronounced, but you can
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: see what's going on there, you know.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know. We're just trying to glean what we
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: can from these signatures and what it could possibly mean.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, you have to analyze everything everything. And again
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: I don't excuse me, I don't know the date on this.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: It's sometime. I don't know if it's pre it's Dallas,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: you know, before going back to New Orleans in the summer.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: He three over his after he comes back. I'm not sure,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: mm hmm, but I don't know. Also interesting in how
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: it kind of goes down a little to the right
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: instead of goes tilting.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like one downhill the Lee, yeah, instead of
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: like a little slightly uphill. But who knows.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: And again we have this Leninist Marxist wanting to join
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: the Communist Party of the United States. So the subject
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: matter of this letter is very damning to Oswald, if
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: you will, and if you're gonna fake something to paint
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: him as a communist, this would probably be a pretty
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: good letter to do that, you know what I mean.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, all right, Next up, we got this hyeh. Now,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: this is Marina's hand writing. This is requesting. This is
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: after Oswald is dead, requesting his social Security benefits. Okay,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: so we're gonna pay attention to some very specific things
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: here from Marina Oswald's and writing. Okay, now does she
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: have the name Lee down?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Do you think yes?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: Then we moved to Harvey and she's got the hooked
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: h right, the candy cane hspect one, she's got coming
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: down back over to the first bar and straight into
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: the Harvey. Pretty good, right. The problem when we get
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: to the Oswald is the O is not connecting any
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: way to the S.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: But there are other instances on this very paper. In fact,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: if you go down and look at the Audrey Marina
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Rachel Oswald, you can kind of see the curly Q
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: and the O, but it does not connect to the
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: to the Oswald and the name of the father. Right
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: right below versus Audrey Marina, we have another Lee h
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: Oswald where she doesn't connect the O into the S
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: and the rest of the name, but the H looks
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: good and Lee her second loop at the bottom is
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: a little off, you see what I'm saying on the top,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: and this one it's like not doesn't have a big
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: enough loop, I don't think. But if we if we
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: go on to look at some of her other writing,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: like her own name Marena Nikola Vana Prusakova, you can
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: see how a lot of her stylized things look.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: And here we even have an example of her writing Dallas,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: Texas at the bottom left. You can see her d
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: is not very stylized with loops or anything, right, and
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: her texts is not written out very well and hence
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: missing the giant slash through the X right right, It
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: looks to me like it says Dallas texts, you know,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: not Texas.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's abbreviated for sure.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: All right, let's move on. Now, here is the postal
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: money order reclines right pay two clients sporting goods from
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: a highdel Now what do we have here, Joe in
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: the name a Hidel.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: We have a realized A which we haven't which we
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: haven't really seen before. We do have a hook in
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: the h we do. Uh, it's got the leen it does.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: And we do have the kind of double L though
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: it does look a little different maybe war up and joined,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: maybe because of a lack of space or something.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean we're blowing this up and this
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: is probably a very small thing. And then go down
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: look at Texas. You have the giant slash through the X.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: That we stopped four right. M h, So that's interesting.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: Stylized D. So this is not I don't I don't
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: think this is a Marina D or a Marina Texas.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: So I don't think Marina wrote this.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either. Interesting.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: Now let's move on. To something weird and interesting.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Do you know what this is? Joe American Museum of
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Atonic Atomic Energy, Yes, visitors registrar, I do not know
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: what this.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: Is now Allegedly on July twenty sixth, nineteen sixty three,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: if you come down, okaye, was.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: This when he was trying to get like the job
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: related to NASSA?
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: This where where the fuck is this place at? Is
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: it in Tennessee or Kentucky? It's it's hang on because
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: that's gonna bug me. Oak Ridge, summer bitch, oak Ridge.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: You just dump your vape. I knocked it over.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: I know that sounds Okay, it's in Tennessee, Okay, Okay,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: what the hell? Oswald's not supposed to be in Tennessee
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: at the end of July in nineteen sixty three, right right, so.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: He was already fired from Riley's at this point.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ok The closest thing you can peg this
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: with Joe is see when he made his speech at
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: the Jesuit College. Google that real quick for me.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: Oak Ridge, Tennessee near Knoxville, which I believe is that
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: in the eastern part of the state. Folks, help a brother.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Out here, Saturday, July twenty seventh, nineteen sixty three. But
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: that was in Mobile, Alabama.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, so are they Are they really going to drive
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: from New Orleans to oak Ridge, Tennessee and then to Mobile, Alabama? Like,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: I'd love to know how much of a trip that is.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it now, Okay, to Mobile, Alabama?
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's doable, but I'm sure
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: it's a hell of a trip.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's see leave now seven hours at least?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: How far is it from New Orleans to knock or
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: to to oak Ridge?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: New Orleans to oak Ridge? Yeah? Eight or nine hours
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: today right now?
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, so probably ten or twelve back then at least
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: I mean you travel with a car full.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Of people, let's say nine or ten. Yeah, at least.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: He's traveling with his aunt, his uncle, his cousin's wife,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: fucking kids.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: But how'd he get How's he making that drive? I
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: think the Maret the Maret are driving.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: But you know, you gotta to stop to pee, you
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: gotta stop to eat. So is it is it really feasible?
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: That?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: And then how far is it from.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: Oak Ridge to Mobile? It was eight? Eight hours?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: So it's eight hours from New Orleans to oak Ridge
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: and then another eight hours from oak Ridge to Mobile, Alabama.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying. Yeah, I'm saying it's closer
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: to ten up from New Orleans and at least seven
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: hours plus down from oak Ridge to Mobile, Alabama, which
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: is kind of just on the Gulf of America.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't grab that far to go to the
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: American Museum of Atomic Energy. I'm sorry, Well, it is.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: If they did drive up north to Tennessee, Mobile would
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: be kind of on the way back to New Orleans.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but allegedly he was in Tennis on the twenty
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: sixth and in Mobile on the twenty seventh, so they
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: went to Tennessee first and then down.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: Not the other way around. Yeah. No, you're talking about
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: almost a day of driving, like twenty four hours.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Again, all a load of people that all have to
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: pee at different times and eat whiny kids.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Gas.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gas, it probably hot, no ac in that motherfucker.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: Everybody's sweating and stinking Marinas probably smells like the bottom
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: of a stale potato.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: But anyway, back to back to the analysis of this
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: hand signature here, Okay, let's look at this, Joe, all right.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: The lead looks good, the H with no hook, no cane.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: The O looks good, though. Can you pull it up
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: a little more for me, for you, buddy, I can
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: do that, thank you, sir.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's perfect, that's perfect. It's on the bottom here, folks,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: or in the middle now. The L does look good,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: the H looks okay, the O looks great.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But what's weird about it is so after his
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: name he writes USSR and underlines it like I'm a Russian,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: you fuckers, you know you know what I mean? Like,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: m h, why are you writing that? In the Oak
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: Ridge visitors log like what are you doing? And then
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: he says that he lives on Dallas Road. Okay, in Dallas, Texas,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: which is weird, right that is again and in the
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: Texas over here, you don't have that giant X coming
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: down or that giant slash coming down to the X
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: right like we see the other times. It's a very
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: minuscule X, which may not mean much, I don't know,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: but it just seems weird to me, Like this looks
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: like a legit signature for the most part, minus the
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: weird anomalies like USSR and Dallas Road and uh, and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: just the sheer fact of what the hell is he
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: doing in Tennessee And why did nobody else sign their
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: visitors register except him? Right again, He's with his cousins,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: his aunt, his uncle, his wife. Nobody else signed the
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: register except him.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: Weird, very weird. Yeah, And to that end, here's.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: An article about Oswald visiting the knock And this is
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: from the Knox News. To your point, James, about being
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: near Knoxville, Oswald visited r Museum. Register indicates he signed
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: in on July twenty six, sixty three. I mean, this
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: is not a forged document. This is a legit visitors register, folks.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: And it's from eastern Tennessee. So it's very weird. Like
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: by this point, I think by nineteen forty nine they
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: had shut down nuclear proliferation laboratories that they were doing here.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: It had become a museum only by this point. So again,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: sorry Judith Baker, he didn't go there to smuggle out
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: uranium in a lunchbox thermous and to take the castro
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: okay like she claims. Again, by this point it was
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: a museum, It was not a functioning, you know, nuclear
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: facility at this point, right, And what are you going
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: to see there?
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, what is there to look at? I don't know,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: at an atomic energy museum of atomic energy?
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think he was going to
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: visit Doug. I don't think Doug was alive then in Tennessee.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: No, No, it's it's just odd man like what it is?
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: What is this?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: What is this?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know? All right, but let's move on.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Blow this up.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: Here is again, I think we looked at this before,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: Joe when they said that, we think that or they
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: think the agency thought that Marina did the A. J.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: Hadel thing. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think you said that she might
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: have wrote the Ajhidel part, but I think.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: Thought I don't know if she did, right, because again
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: she she got the she had the hook in the
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: H and Harvey and her Social Security benefits claim and
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: it's not here.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a hook at the age there or not
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: in the Hodel part? Yeah, the top part.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it's a lowercase A at the beginning,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: which is.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: Weird.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: All right, Let's move on to a couple here. So
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: at the top we have Lee's signature from his time
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: card at two Jags in New Orleans in nineteen fifty five. Now,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: this looks surprisingly like a very suspect signature to me. Well,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: it's very stylized.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also like much younger at.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: This point, right, yeah, nor your signature gets better with age,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: not worse. I mean this to me, look look at
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: that That LEE is beautiful. I mean, look at that L,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: the stylized L that comes down and goes all the
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: way to the end of Lee, and then he comes
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: back with and puts a few e's in it. You
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: see how that tail, that the tail of that L
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: comes all the way down under his entire first name.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: That's wild to me. Now the H looks suspect as
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: hell because there's no hook and the second bar does
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: not cursively come back and connect and then go into
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: the A that's red flag. And then the O looks
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: suspect as hell because it's not at the nine o'clock position.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: It's more than the one o'clock position, you know, where
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: he starts. And then everything is just very low to
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: the ground. It looks to me like, you know, except
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: for the tails and the L and the D. I
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: don't like that signature. Something about that is not right
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: to me. I could be wrong, but I don't like it.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: Me nolikey jo, Yeah, no, I hear you.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking like nineteen fifty five, like who the
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: hell knows?
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But dude, you gotta remember this is a beautiful signature.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: Signatures do not get worse with age. I mean, he
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: would have been sixteen or seventeen years old.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: Here, Okay, so let me ask you this, what will
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: be the point of possibly forging this at that point
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: of time.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, according to John Armstrong, he couldn't have been in
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: the Marine Corps and working it too Jaggs at the
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: same time. So obviously one of these is faked for
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: whatever reason. I don't fucking know. M Okay, but again,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: it doesn't appear right to me. This top signature does
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: not appear right to me. I deemed out a Russian forgery,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know, a New Orleans forgery. And then at
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: the bottom we have Lee's. This is another weird thing
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: where they found his signature allegedly in some weird fucking place.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: This one was in the Fox and Hound Hotel registry
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on September sixteenth, sixty three, which is
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: before the assassination, right.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: Before he allegedly went to Mexico City.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: Right, this was when he was still living in New Orleans.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: But we have his signature on a hotel registry in Milwaukee. Now,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: what do you think about that.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: Signature there? Uh? I mean, owl looks pretty okay. Oh,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: kind of looks okay, except it's not really connectors to
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: the S. The l's and the D kind of looks
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: like double l's look kind of similar, but there's obviously
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: no H for Harvey, right. It just it's weird.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know what to make it connected to me,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: like the ees disconnected from the L and the and
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: the rest of Oswald is disconnected from the O.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: I don't like it, right, But I don't see what
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: the point would be too to put him in Milwaukee,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin and granted a lot of September sixty three for
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: Oswald is very murky. We don't know exactly what he
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: was up to. I just don't see.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I think he's supposedly sometimes didn't he wasn't he
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: supposed to make a trip to Canada with David Ferry
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: in some point.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, what's it Montreal or something?
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they stopped in Wisconsin and spent the night
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: in the hotel room together.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but it didn't ferry fly allegedly there.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe you had to peem. I don't know, right,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: maybe they had to land and wanted to eat or
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's probably a long flight from Louisiana
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: to freaking Oh. No, for sure, you're gonna have to
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: make so you got to stop somewhere. You're gonna have
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: to make like four ish stops at least with with
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: the guess yeah, so maybe, yeah, it's just it's weird.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's weird. And then at the bottom again,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: this is supposedly, uh are you United States Marine Corps
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: recruitment form signature from October twenty four, fifty six. Uh,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: the lead looks good than me.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: The h is a little weird.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: It's a little weird, but okay, sure the oh, okay,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: it's okay, I guess, yeah. And just compare that signature,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: that bottom one to the top one. Now, the top
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: one is from a year earlier, right, not even a
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: year earlier, and how neat it is. And then you
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: look at this one down at the bottom. It's like
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: what the fuck man Like I said. Thingasre just normally
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: get better with time. The more you the more you
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: you write, not worse. That's why this top one seems
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: weird to me. And see Armstrong said that the top
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: one is from Lee legitly, the middle one is from legitly,
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: and the bottom is a Harvey signature. Right, but if
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: you're comparing the two legitly's allegedly, they don't look anything
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: alike to me. Yeah, the first and the second one.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: So again I don't know, very weird. All right, Here
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: is another one.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: This is os.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: What is this is uh selective service card maybe mm.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: Hmm, all right, not under highdel but Oswald this time?
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: This is yeah, this d O D card expires December seventh,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: sixty two.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: Signature looks okay, I mean no hook on the H
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: but other than that it seems yep no, But everything
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: else looks okay. Yeah.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: Again, this is probably a very small card, not much
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: room to to maneuver and write. Right, And here.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: We have.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: His Armed Forces Certificate of Service for Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: This and this was funny to me.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: So this is says he honorably served on active duty
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: in the United States Marine Corps. Okay, mm hmm. Now
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: this is the back of it. It's not dated right, Oh, no,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: this is a separate one. I'm sorry, this is okay.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: This is his public library card.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: Okay. And we talked about jack Al Bowen, which isn't
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: really his real name.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he was on the top ten most wanted
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: list for the FBI from documents, folks, And.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: This is who os all the time. Sign is a
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: vouch for his library card, if you will.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: Right, So again we have a pencil signature here from
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswald on a typed Dallas Public Library card.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: So let's look at this one. The Lee looks okay, yeah,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: the H is hooked again. That looks fine.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: Oh it's a little weird.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: It was a little weird, but it does flow.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'd say that's legit.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: I'd say that's leg it's but you know, like I said,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: it's small thing, it's in pencils. Mm hmm.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: You know, it's weird, weird, But.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: Again I think they were the point of this was
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: the top one is a forged document as well, because
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: he was he was not honorably he did not honorably serve.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: H Well, could he discharged.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, could he have maybe made
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: that That's.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: What I'm thinking that he probably made it a Jaggers child,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: and this is another example of.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: Something he made right to say to I don't know.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe the problem is he's linking himself to Jack Bowen,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: who was an FBI top ten most wanted for on
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: the run with an alias and forging documents. Okay, that's
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: a problem.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: That's what we call the problem.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: And when we're talking about creating these high deel documents,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: you know, that's where we run into the the problems.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: Folks, which there are many.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: Of which there are many. And that's what I got, Joe,
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: as far as all this horse's ass, he goes, except,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: oh I forgot one thing.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: Yet, hold on, let me open that back up. Okay,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: I forgot. We're gonna do this one last. This is
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: the most serious package.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: Since we've been looking at all these Oswald signatures, right
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: this whole entire show, we've seen a lot, right, We've
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: seen a lot, Joe, we have.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: Now looks legit, right yeah, just looking at the elder
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: O the alder d. Yeah, so that of course begs
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: the question that we, of course kind of answer is
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: why would you send this back to yourself and look
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: at and look at look at the the X on
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: the Texas.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: Too, well, I think, yeah, yeah, the Dallas Texas. I
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: think whoever wrote Irving Texas on it is not the
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: same person that wrote Dallas Texas and Lee Oswald in
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: six o one. For some reason, I think somebody at
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: the post office wrote Irving Texas on this because it
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: ended up in the Irving Texas nixy bin, not to
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: Dallas Texas nixyban.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: Right would they find this like a week after or
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, Again, I don't know what to
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: make of it, especially if someone wrote the Irving Texas part,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: because they definitely got his X right. I don't know.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: I mean even in the Dallas Texas. I mean the
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: X has a pretty significant slash through it.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. Not as pronounced, but definitely a
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and stamp down here received in bad condition, which
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: means they allegedly found it open. All it contained was
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: a brown paper not a brown paper bag, but brown
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: paper that you could make a bag out of for
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: a rifle right mm hm. That supposedly matched the uh
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 3: or I don't think. I don't know if they could
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: conclusively match it to the school book Depository paper that
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: they wrapped books and shit in.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: But weird, man, freaking weird.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: Man, So what are we to make of all this?
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, who I don't really have a good summary
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: here because I'm kind of more confused and maybe gonna
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: throw out my hands as usual to Rob's dismay. But
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: I think there are some documents that we identify that
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: are very suss more than others. And of course they're
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: going to be inconsistencies. Like I said at the beginning,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: I wrote my name down three times. They look completely
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: different today. But there are consistencies that you could look for,
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: and there are some documents that are a problem. Yeah.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when we're really trying to figure
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: out here is if Oswald was writing the name Hadel
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: on things well, or was Marina or was somebody else.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's the main thing, you know. I'm
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 3: not too worried about whether or not there was two
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: os Walds, or Harvey and Lee or whatever the hell, right,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: but you wonder certain things like, what the hell is
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: supposedly doing in Wisconsin? What's he supposedly doing in Tennessee
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: when he's going to Mobile, Alabama? Why are you visiting
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: the Atomic Energy Museum? Who does that?
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: Who writes USSR after their name on a freaking visitor register?
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: Who does that?
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: Or were these things done to frame him?
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: But to what end?
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: I mean? I don't know.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how to me?
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: And on a couple of these things, it does look
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: to me like it was Oswald's writing, and some of
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: them it doesn't.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: And most of the high dolls were not in cursive.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: There was life I believe one or.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: Two, right, Yeah, the High Deel was always in cursive.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: No, the High Dell wasn't always incursive, you might be right, Yeah,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: I believe one or two times it was in cursive.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: I was thinking of the stylized.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: L's at the end, and yeah, so what's up with that?
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: It doesn't look good.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: There are problems there.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: Is it definitive? No, not by any means. But when
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: you're looking at very important things like the money order
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: for the rifle, the order form for the rifle, the
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: order form for the pistol, the post office box where
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: a j Hidel can pick up mail, the fake selective
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: service card. These important things you know you're gonna want
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: to try to figure out. And I did find something
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: about his Mexico City registry real quick, Joe, Okay, I
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: did not find the actual entry.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: What maybe we will save that for part two on Wednesday.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: Sir, Yeah, if we could find it. I couldn't find it,
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 3: but I did find something else, So I found this.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: Blowed this up a little bit more.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: This is an examination of handwriting on the hotel register
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: by the FBI Lab. On Dember eleventh, sixty three, a
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: photocopy of the above described page of the Hotel Dell
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: Commercial Registration Book was submitted to the FBI Lab for
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: examination of the Lee Comma Harvey Oswald's signature appearing there on,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: and a LAB report dated December eighteen, sixty three the
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: lab stated, the examination of whatever whatever with signatures of
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: guests registering blah blah blah we made With the following result.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: It was concluded that the Lee Harvey Oswald's signature online
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: ten of whatever was written by Lee Harvey Oswald, whose
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: known writing appears on K four and K five. In
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: this case, the information recorded here and under was furnished
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: by a confidential source abroad. There's Luna. That was the
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: guy who is the owner of the Hochel the commercial.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: I knew Luna was in there somewhere, Guillermo Garcia Luna. Yeah,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: he assisted in terifying these names. So again you have
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: we have the registry, but just not the actual registry.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: This is a.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: Typed out verse, typed out version. Yeah, of everybody staying there,
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: and most people are Latino shocker, and then you see
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: Oswald there. It is Lee Harvey Oswald stayed in room
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: eighteen September twenty seventh, allegedly through the first but as
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: far as actual registry picture, I couldn't find it.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've seen it. I've seen it. I
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: know I've seen it. Yeah, well, we'll have to look
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: a little harder in the next few days. And yeah,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: maybe part two, Yes we will, allegedly, but that would
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: be very interesting because we know the h HCA experts
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: did the analysis on it, so and I know I've
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: seen that at some point. So I don't know if
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: it's in documentary or something, but it's it's out there.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: We just I think it's called when we did some
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: of the Mexico City stuff. I'm pretty sure I saw
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: it then, but I remember where.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to search when you're doing a live pod. Yeah,
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: and keep your train of thought.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we found many, many examples right of
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: his signatures throughout all across everything, you know. I mean,
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: I think we have a very good compilation of his
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: signatures from different things, at different times of his life,
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: in different countries, to different people under different circumstances, you know.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: And Rob was the Walker letter? Was that typed out
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: or was that handwritten?
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 3: The one he's supposedly left in Russian from Arena?
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. I have it if you want to
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: see it real quick. Okay. I was gonna say we
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: could say that from part too, but.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, well yeah, I mean it doesn't really matter.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: Let me show real quick. Okay.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: It's nothing special, and.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to go from different languages to Russian
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: to English and compare them, you know, with the different
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: letters and ship.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: So this.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: It was written in Russian and we don't I don't
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: have a signature. This is just one page of it.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: But I don't even know if he signed it to
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: be honest with you. But it's definitely written in Russian
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: and it was concluded that it was not written by Marina.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: They analyze this compared her handwriting, but I don't know
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: if they compared it to Roof's handwriting.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah so, And I don't know.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: If there's any good examples of you know, letters that
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: are somewhat comparatible to his sgature in here.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: Not really didn't look like there are some in Russian
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: to I believe the Soviet embassy and stuff like that
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: that we could maybe do. But maybe that's for a part. Shoot,
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: that's example, you know. Yeah, that's a that's a tall order. Yeah,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: comparing Russian.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, come on, that's hard enough doing good lord,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: what are you trying to do to his people?
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: And I know, before we go check a couple of comments,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: Jess Kanal said an hour ago. Actually, did the Russian
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: diary seem to have all been written more or less
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: at once? Not actually over time? Is it reliable handwriting document? Sorry?
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: If I addressed this, I came on late. It definitely
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't written at once.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: See I thought it was. I thought he wrote it
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: on the way back from Russia.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm saying, but that that trip is long. Right,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: you're either doing a train and then a boat.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying he didn't keep like a daily diary
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: in Russia and then compile it. Right, it was written
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: on the trip back, however long it took two weeks
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: or whatever, right.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: So it couldn't. It was probably written over the course
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: of two weeks. So if you say written more or
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: less at once, I guess yes, kind of kind not one,
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: not one sitting, not not over the course of like
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: two days, apply at the same time. Let's see as
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: I scroll through these really quickly. Uh hey, Paul, ps
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: odyssey coming in a little late, but that's okay. I
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: appreciate you being your hud. Double B thanks everyone for
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: his birthday wishes. You're welcome. You don't look a day
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: over twenty eight.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: You're lucky he left Joe, or I'd make you sing
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: to him right now before we get out there.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: Thank god, Double B. I texted him, I said, leave.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: The Hunt letter is very neat. He obviously believes the
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: receipt is a bitch a bit posh, as we say
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: in the UK. Yeah, the Hunt letter to me is
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: out of everything, probably the most saus.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we can see there was piece together from
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: other parts of his writing, from different letters, almost as
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: verbatim word for word. Parts of it were can dance
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: into this dear mister Hunt letter. Very weird, very weird.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rob definitely just said, Rob is definitely coming through
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: as the cursive translator. Yeah, he's much better at it
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: than I am, that's for sure. And cursive whisper. I
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: did get a couple of words there and helps you
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  Speaker 1: out a little bit, so that old school Jess. I
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  Speaker 1: did contribute a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But these young kids are these days in cursive and
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  Speaker 3: well reading. Not your son, all those books behind you,
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  Speaker 3: I guarantee ain't cracked at one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, let's see James Smith up?
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  Speaker 2: What up?
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  Speaker 1: I think Russian alphabet influences on the W and the N.
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  Speaker 1: We'll keep that in mind if we analyze that on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think we're going to that's like I said,
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  Speaker 1: a tall order.
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  Speaker 3: Sally says, I'm sorry, Oh you're good, really says. So
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  Speaker 3: we have his marriage certificate cignature, No, but we can
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  Speaker 3: probably find it for Wednesday. We'll find some more saving
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  Speaker 3: a track down this hotel registry that they deemed that
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  Speaker 3: he did, you know, but I just think to wrap
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  Speaker 3: this up, Joe, you know, you gotta say, some of
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  Speaker 3: these certainly looks suss yeah to our highly trained analytical eyeballs.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, some of them looked legit. That probably.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Don't don't paint Oswald and the best of light if
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  Speaker 3: you see what I'm starting to say, m hm, because
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people try to say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in a conspiracy, Oswald was set up. This this fake
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  Speaker 3: ID you know, was was created for him by somebody else,
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  Speaker 3: and somebody else ordered the rifle. And you know, again,
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  Speaker 3: unless they were really good at forging signatures, which is possible.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying anything out of the around possibility, but
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: just on the surface, some of the stuff don't look good.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: But some of some of this stuff looks weird. Some
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: of this stuff looks sus yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe we're over analyzing a little bit. Who knows
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: to side for yourselves, but some of it definitely does.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: And Rob Common of the night from our buddy John
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  Speaker 1: Lindback oh Man.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: This this episode was packed full of swinging.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: D's one thing for sure. If you stop him by
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: to eat with David ferry in Wisconsin on your way
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: to Canada. Canada cheese will be flying. Oh and John,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: we have a new suspect for for dB Cooper, Richard Kane.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: Yep. Look it up.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: Don't take our one for it. Look it up. Yep.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: He hijacked the plate in nineteen seventy two elect in
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: seventy three, allegedly. So maybe we'll put together a presentation
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: on that, because they're definitely not going to be presenting
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: at Lancer this year most likely so.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: Likely likely likely not, that is what I'm saying.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: So maybe we'll make a Richer Kane presentation at Cooper Kahn.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that? Oh, I mean we
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: only have one document, but and.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 3: A lot of speculation. Uh, circumstantial evidence, suspicious circumstantial evidence. Yes, uh,
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: he didn't have ties to Boeing though, Joe.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he is not like the worst suspect.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: I feel like suspect.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like there are worser suspects. Yeah.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: The only thing is he didn't really look like him.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: That's that's a problem.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: But right, you know, you know, photographic evidence could go
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: either way.
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  Speaker 3: William J.
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  Speaker 1: Peterson, So that's all I got. Let me pretend like
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: I'm signing out so I could get the damn dog.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: All right, folks, hopefully you enjoyed the show. It was
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: a weird one. It was a wild one. It was
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: a very analytical one, analytical one, a very speculative one. Again,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: we're no experts by any means. You shouldn't listen to
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: anything we have to say on this subject. But we've
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: been doing this for a long time and we got
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 3: eyeballs just like everybody else does. And again, I think
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: for part two, Joe, I'm gonna upload some of this
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: stuff in.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: AI and see what we can find out.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, so tune in on the next members only show
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  Speaker 3: because we're gonna have part two to this. It's gonna
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: be even weirder than the night was.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: And and by the way, let's say that if you
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: have some interesting examples of magnatures of Lee Harvey Oswald
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: that we didn't cover, please us the Lone Guming Podcast
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  Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and we will cover it on Wednesday.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: So if we missed a couple, and we definitely did
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: because there was what sixty three references.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 3: You got some weird ones you'd like us to analyze,
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: send them over. Yeah, for sure, good idea, Joe.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: All right, Ruby, it was Ruby's idea.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: Well, of course she has all the good ideas. Ruby. Hey, Ruby,
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: do you know get his fat ass in here?
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  Speaker 1: Put your said come to Bourbon Street. I'll show you
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: what I.
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• 2:22:53
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• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: that'd be cool too. We'll take what we can get. Actually,
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 3: the last book review I did was this killing a
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: joke for some reason.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: As long as can.
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• 2:23:34
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