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Welcome to the Mac and Jack show.
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I'm Sonya sitting in with my nice great Co host here, Jack
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Hersh. Jack, good morning.
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How are you? You're muted.
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That's how you are. Good morning, Sonia.
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It's early. That's why I'm muted.
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Maybe I'm tired. Maybe I'm not muted?
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Got to have your coffee, Jack. Got to have your coffee so
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early. Thank you so much everybody for
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joining us this morning. Good morning.
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I really should coin that, Jack. I've been saying that so long.
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I think I'm the only person that says that.
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Speaking of, the only person we had that the NBA Finals are
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still ongoing. Of course, they've been slated
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to commence the original, the official finals June 3rd, 2025
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and we are wrapping up this series.
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Of course, last night's games just just a shock.
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Honestly Jack, I just that Pacers game.
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That was the latter game of the evening.
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Pacers end up losing 129 and 10. Excuse me, winning 1/29 and
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1/01/09. When I last looked, Jack, it was
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already close to a 30 point deficit and that wasn't even at
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the half. Tonya, I keep looking at the box
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score over and over and over, thinking I missed something, I
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misread something. I'm taking a look.
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Jared Allen one shot the whole game.
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What's he been doing hanging out with Ben Simmons?
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I mean, one shot the whole game. Jared Allen a great rebound that
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two rebounds the whole game. You know, Donovan Mitchell had a
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bad game. You know, shot 3 for 1112
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points. It was inevitable because
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Donovan Mitchell had been carrying the cabs.
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It was a one man show in large part the whole series for the
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Cleveland Cavaliers, even though he couldn't quite will them to a
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victory in games one and two at Cleveland.
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And it was inevitable he would take a step back.
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It happened to anyone for one game.
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But when the Cavaliers won game three, you know, with
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Indianapolis, you think, OK, they're ready to start rolling.
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They're ready to start themselves, show themselves to
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be the 64 win team that they were and they just never got
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off. I mean, they kind of lost their
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cool. You know, fights nearly were
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taking place in the beginning of the game.
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They got off the bat started like they never woke up.
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They never woke up. You, you you think they would
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wake up and take a little bit of a run during the game, but they
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never took a run at the Indiana Pacers during the game.
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And I want to hear Rick Carlisle say, well, we haven't won a
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thing yet. You won three games.
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Yeah, up three, one. Don't give me that nice talk.
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You know that You haven't done a thing yet.
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You've done an awful lot and I won.
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I wonder when the the Cavaliers won Game 3, was their mindset,
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OK, we're going back to Cleveland for Game 5, so maybe
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there wasn't an urgency in game four.
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There certainly has to be an urgency if there's a Game 6.
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But obviously yet got to win Game five at home first, which
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I'm sure the Cavaliers are confident that they're going to
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do. But I I just couldn't figure out
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last games last night for the life of me, Sonia, that the
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Cleveland Cavaliers just never showed up and Kenny Atkinson
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coach team you expect more from than that.
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I mean, this thing could be over Jack with one more win by the
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Pacers. It's a wrap.
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Like they, they literally have allowed the the Cavalier, excuse
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me, they have allowed the Pacers to take the lead.
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And you know, we talked about a couple of episodes ago how stats
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line up about teams that are three in one down.
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It's very few teams that it has been done, but it's like a 93%
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chance that the three one, the the leader of that series goes
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on to win. And so it's going to be
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interesting to see what happens here because I honestly do not
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think that they still have the momentum needed to come back.
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No, they did. Cavaliers certainly don't have
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any momentum at all. You know, momentum's only as
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good as your last game. I don't want to.
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I keep hearing it on this show from our other Co hosts, so on
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and the other show. Don't Momentum, momentum,
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momentum. The Cavaliers had the momentum
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going into game four. They beat the Pacers
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resoundingly on their homecourt in game three.
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Don't tell me about my them. The Knicks swept 2.
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Nothing against the Celtics going back to Madison Square
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Garden. They're the ones who supposedly
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had the momentum. They got routed in game three.
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Now say that the Celtics have the momentum.
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Come on, momentum's as good as your last game.
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You know, if I'm the Knicks, if I'm the Knicks players, I'm
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thinking about what an opportunity this can be.
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If they can get by the Celtics, they can beat the Pacers.
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Remember the movie The Karate Kid with a Sensei wanted them to
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foul, but he said, but sensei, I can beat this guy and it's next.
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You're looking at the paces, even though you lost in them in
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seven games in the playoffs last year.
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If you're the Knicks, you're thinking we're a better team
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than the Pacers. They beat the Cavaliers.
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We can beat these guys. The Pacers.
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We should beat these guys. We wouldn't be underdogs to them
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like we would be against the Cavaliers, even though the
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Knicks would probably have a level of confidence that they
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could be Cleveland as well. There's a difference involved
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between thinking you can beat A-Team but thinking you should
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be the team. Very beatable, you know, for the
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Knicks, but they have to get by the Celtics.
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They play the Celtics today. And even if the Knicks win today
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and go up three one, it's a big mountain to climb.
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You get the feeling the Knicks up to one against the Celtics,
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but you get the feeling that they're the ones who are coming
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have to come from behind in a certain sense.
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I mean, you talk about that game with the with the Knicks and
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we'll go back to the Western Conference in a minute.
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But that Knicks Celtics game is the the demand for those
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tickets, Jack. I mean, those northeasterners,
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all you guys from the northeast up there are really coming out
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to support this. The average ticket price wow for
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resale was $2000 as these games have approached and they it's
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getting even higher now. This game, this game matchup is
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definitely one for the records. I'm excited for it as a non
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Celtics, non Knicks fan, of course I'm partial to Jason
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Tatum like I've always talked about.
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But even that game there that that series is so I, I never
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thought the Knicks would come in and jump up as they did.
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The Celtics have really got to rally all the way out.
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They've got to finish this entire series.
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They cannot allow the Knicks to come back, not even another
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game. I, I got to point out, the
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Knicks have always been a hot ticket, always an expensive
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ticket. And you could compare it to
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Broadway Place. I'll give you an example.
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So it's one night I decided I was going to take my son in laws
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to an NBA game and there were two games being played that
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night. The Brooklyn Nets were hosting
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the Charlotte Hornets in one game and the Knicks were hosting
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the Detroit Pistons in the other game.
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This was last year when the Pistons weren't good.
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Keep that in mind. And I'm looking at the ticket
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prices. The Knicks tickets were three
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times the amount of the net tickets.
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We wound up going to the net game OK rather than pay three
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times the amount to get into the Knicks and Pistons.
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That's just what it is with the Knicks.
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The Knicks have had one of the most loyal fan bases in sports,
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but it's you know it's time for the Knicks to take the next
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step. I don't want to see this
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scenario play out. The Knicks losing 7 games to the
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Celtics and we hear how wonderful the Knicks were that
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no one expected them to take it. The seven games when you're up
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to nothing, you're expected to win the series at that point.
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And at some point, every team has to take the next step.
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They have to do it. And the time is now for the
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next. Tonight's the time for the next.
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Now. You win tonight, you go up three
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one, you have three games left to win one.
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The math is very simple. Yeah, very simple.
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Good morning to Richard and good morning to little Holmes.
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Little Holmes say good morning to you, Jack, I guess.
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That's what Little Holmes? Yeah.
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I hope I see it tonight on the boxing show.
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Little Holmes must be a big fan of Larry Holmes.
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That's what I heard, you know. You know, it's been a little bit
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scrutinized lately in the last few days to trade the Knicks
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made with the Timberwolves trading Julius Randall to
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Minnesota and Minnesota was really put down for making that
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trade trading call Anthony Towns to get, you know, they got dumb
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deep and Senzo along with Julius Randall, the Randall was the
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main guy and Randall's been great for the Minnesota
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Timberwolves. And I'm happy for the Knicks
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that they made the deal 'cause they're just as good, if not
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better off with Karl Anthony Towns.
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I know Julius Randall was a heck of a player, but they were only
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going to go so far teaming Randall with Brunson.
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And the style of game that Brunson plays, he has to be in
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control. He has to be the man.
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He has to run the offense fully. And with Randall there, even
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though Randall wasn't a selfish play, in my view, it the fifth
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wasn't quite as good as Brunson and Karl Anthony Towns, you
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know, having Brunson with Randall, but Randall is good as
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a great supporter to, you know, Anthony Edwards.
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Plus Randall can take over and be the guy on the given game if
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Anthony Edwards is having an off game as Randall is shown.
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You know, in the series with Golden State.
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Yeah, I mean, he Randall has a very strong performance for the
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T Wolves. He's been really outstanding.
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Like as of late their game on Saturday, he had like 24 points,
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12 assists and 10 rebounds. And those were very crucial
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stats because he was able to lead them to that V102 to 97 and
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basically break the tiebreaker to give them the two one series
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break that they needed, Jack. And so this was their
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Minnesota's first playoff triple double since Kevin Garnett.
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So basically, you know, Randall has come in and made a name for
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himself there. There's even been discussion and
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some apologies from some analysts who actually
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underestimated his impact when he came to the team, especially
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because of his less successful playoff performance when he was
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with the Knicks. Well, you talk about playoff
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performances. The Minnesota Timberwolves have
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never been to an NBA Finals, let alone winning an NBA
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championship. So they made that deal for Rudy
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Gobert, which they gave away a historic package of draft picks
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like never seen before, which other teams can even match for
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superstars. In other words, Minnesota gave
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away for Gobert as if he was a superstar.
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They gave away that type of value.
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But if they do get to an NBA Finals, you know, making that
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deal with all the picks for Gobert and trading Karl Anthony
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Towns, you know, for Julius Randle, it's worth it at the
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end, Then the deal's been successful.
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If they get to an NBA Finals. If they never do, then you'd
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have then the deal backfires. I mean, sometimes deals are cut
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and dry. We we got to see the results of
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when we could criticize them in the beginning, like the Luca
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deal for that they made for Anthony Davis with the Mavs.
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If the Mavs ever win an NBA championship with Anthony Davis,
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no one could criticize the deal anymore.
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Yeah, I, I agree. I agree wholeheartedly.
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I mean, sometimes we as fans and even analysts especially
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question these trades. And I'm going to be honest with
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you, Jack, I, you know, I always say the verdict is still out.
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I feel like, you know, these players have certain good games,
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Julius Randall being one of them.
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And then the next one, you just never know what it looks like.
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I, I just, I don't know. I think for playoff purposes
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right now with the T wolves being where they are, I know
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that they think they've made a great investment, especially
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with search such a close series. I'm hoping that he could come
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and clutch for them to remain in the playoffs.
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However, you know, I'm partial to the warriors and Steph Curry
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being out this entire week has been substantial to their their
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playoff contentions right now. I think him being out of this
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game has been a game changer. Oh absolutely, absolutely.
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I can't see Golden State winning this series without Steph Curry
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unless he returns at some point. I know Jimmy Butler in the past
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has had certain heroics at Miami where he willed them to wins,
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got them into the finals a couple of times.
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No, I was talking about deals a moment ago, Sonia.
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And sometimes the best deals are the deals you don't make if you
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just leave things alone and let it play.
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By out a case in point, we're talking about Julius Randle.
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He was an LA Laker. Can you imagine?
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The Lakers just rode him out his whole career.
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Let him be an LA Laker. You know how important he would
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be to that team now if you paired him with LeBron and Luca?
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Can you imagine if if Randle would never trade it?
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They would have been dynamite. They would have been dynamite.
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I mean, there's been conversation and we'll come back
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to the Warriors in a second. There's been conversation about
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LeBron, so much about him being eliminated so early in the
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contest. And I think that trades make a
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big difference and bringing Luca into the circle, they really
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felt like this was their end all be all.
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And so of course, now Lebron's basically going around saying he
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had some type of injury. I mean, I've heard rumblings
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here and there. I mean, these players always
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come up, I don't want to say with excuses, but you lost fair
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and square. You lost.
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If you were playing through an injury, it wasn't significant
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enough for a doctor to pull you out of the game.
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Yeah, but in a way, it's a blessing in disguise for LeBron.
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They've gotten eliminated early because then you have the
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mentality to Stephen A Smith. Let's say LeBron got his team
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into the Finals. He played heroically and got his
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team into the Finals, and they lose in the Finals, let's say,
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to the Boston Celtics. Let's just pretend for one
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second Stephen A Smith would hold it against him saying, oh,
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he's four and seven and finals, You know, now that he didn't get
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to the finals. They don't use that as a stat,
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OK, you know that. That's the mentality that
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bothers me. When someone does something
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really positive and they take their team as far as they can
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go, they then use it as a negative static and someone.
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But with that said, I don't think Lebron's really making
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excuses as far as Luca goes. To use your phrase, Sonya was a
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no brainer that the Lakers had to make the deal to get Luca
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because there's certain players who increase a brand of a
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franchise. And LA has always been, as we've
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said in past shows about having mega stars, Elgin Baylor, Jerry
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West, you know, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul, Jabbar Shack and
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Kobe, you know, then LeBron join him and now Luke.
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And Luke is going to be their legacy star in the years ahead.
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So you you make that deal when you have a legacy player who
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increases the brand of a franchise.
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You know, I, I talk this way when I always used to argue with
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Mac about this a little bit, like when I say, no, Aaron
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Judge, it wasn't just a normal player.
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He wasn't a normal player. And and Doctor Paul Semandina,
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they said, no, Judge doesn't accept this money, Just move on
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from them. You don't move on from a legacy
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player. You know, Can you imagine the
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Yankees at one point in the past and to Mickey Mantle, you don't
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take off and you're gone. We'll just trade your way.
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Certain guys belong with teams their whole career because
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they're associated with their career.
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You mentioned Steph Curry a little while, a while ago.
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He's associated with a warrior. He's a legacy player.
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When the Warriors look back Golden State on their history,
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who's going to be their most important player?
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Who are they going to be associated with the most in
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Golden State franchise history? It's going to be Steph Curry.
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You don't move on from guys like that unless they force you to.
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I am excited, you know, with him, you know, we talk about the
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Draymond Green drama. I mean, it kind of Draymond
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drama. It actually makes sense now.
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That's going to be my new slogan.
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I mean, Steph has been able to stay grounded despite all of the
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drama that has continued to surround Draymond Green.
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But but, you know, they said they treat Draymond like a pit
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bull. You know, he's like that bad dog
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in the neighborhood that when you walk through the
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neighborhood, you hope that they are restrained because Draymond
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is lethal. Jack.
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I mean, how do you stay balanced on the team?
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And now they're down in this in this series, they're down.
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Steph is out. Draymond is not really putting
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up the stats that he should be putting up.
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You know, Charles Barkley and Draymond Green get along now
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because Draymond Green did some studio work at TNT and he said
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Charles Barkley disarm them as soon as he saw Charles Barkley.
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Barkley greeted them warmly. And the two of them are good
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now, really good. But Charles Barkley have one of
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the great lines when him and Draymond Green were going back
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and forth. You know, with insults.
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He compared Draymond Green to the drummer in the band.
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OK, You know, a great fan. He's the drummer, meaning Steph
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and Klay Thompson and Duran did things and and Draymond was like
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kind of like just the supporting kind of drummers are very
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important. They make the concert large
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part. Don't get me wrong, I have
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tremendous respect for the drummers, OK, led by the most
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famous of them at all. I think Ringo's Starr.
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But it's, you know, but Draymond, I mean, Draymond Green
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is a heck of a player. It's going to be a Hall of
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famous someday in all probability.
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I mean, but he's not the he's not the type of player who's
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going to carry a team. That's the thing.
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I mean, Jimmy Butler can carry a team to an extent.
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Steph Curry could carry them a little more.
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And are we giving Golden State all this attention based on
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their reputation the way we did to the Lakers?
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Are we talking in reality right now, even with Steph Curry?
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Is it their pedigree? Is that the reason why we're
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considering them a serious championship contender?
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I mean, I think they've established themselves, Jack.
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I kind of feel like once you win a championship, it's just kind
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of etched in stone, especially in in new era, like they just
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want a championship within the last decade.
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So anytime you're talking about a team that, you know, kind of
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sets that tone and then they've had decent seasons, you know,
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during the regular season that they appear to be dominant
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against certain other teams. I feel like those are the teams
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that it's kind of like they're it's expected.
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And so for me personally, I really feel like, OK, what is
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going on with the Warriors? It can.
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It should not be that Steph is just that big of a a cornerstone
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for that franchise that nobody else can even come close to
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keeping that team where they need to be to stay formidable in
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these series. Well, I mean that that greatest
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hope is that Jimmy Butler plays like a superstar.
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But what's ironic is Miami and Pot moved on from Jimmy Butler
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because they felt his performances had been slipping a
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little. And, you know, and he'd be in
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certain rotations with coach Eric Spoelstra over there.
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Jimmy Butler was starting to become a bit unhappy the way he
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was used and, and, and the relationship just fell apart.
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So, I mean, was it a lack of motivation in Miami?
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Because it it, it's hard sometimes to go all out when you
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feel your team has no realistic chance of winning an NBA
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championship. So Jimmy Butler goes to Golden
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State, he thinks they can win an NBA championship.
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So he's going to put out a little more.
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But that's human nature. That doesn't mean he's dogging
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it. I mean, tonight's game is
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important, Jack. They play tonight.
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It's the the, the way everything is looking.
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We may be looking at AT Wolves positioning that is impossible
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for the Warriors to even come back.
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This is a very strong position. We talked about the stats early
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on coming in. Basically a loss would
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definitely put them in elimination, like they will be
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eliminated shortly. Historically, like we talked
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about in A7 game series, it's a very high probability of winning
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with three and one. The Timberwolves have been led
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by Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall.
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So for them to stay where they are, they both need to basically
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stay in that leadership role and they basically play on both
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sides of the ball so that there's no no holes left for the
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Warriors to sneak through. We've seen a couple of close
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games that we're like, OK, Steph wasn't there, but they were able
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to pull it out, what have you. But of course, these games are,
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if there would be a, you know, game four, of course, and
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hopefully six and seven, those are.
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Going to be game five, Well, that is going to be a Game 5.
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But if Minnesota wins, they drop 31.
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They're going home but thinking 1.
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Minnesota historically has been a little bit dysfunctional.
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You know, I just they'll go on a little bit of a role in the
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playoffs and you in again, the word momentum.
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We think they're going to keep it up and and then it falls
24:38
apart. Look at the way they backtracked
24:40
against the Dallas Mavs last year and lost that series.
24:44
And they were actually favored in most circles going into the
24:47
Western finals against the Mavs. I mean, they played really well
24:52
in the playoffs. So you just don't know what this
24:55
Minnesota team. And but then there's The X
24:57
Factor with Steph Curry. If he does come back, how
25:00
effective is he going to be? I mean, as long as he can shoot.
25:05
I mean, they can maybe make some adjustments on defense to help
25:09
him out and but it's a big game for Golden State, obviously, you
25:14
know, to fall down 3 to 1 to Minnesota, that's and then go to
25:18
Minnesota to game five and Minnesota would have a game
25:21
seven there if Golden State would have survived and won a
25:24
game five and Game 6. It's a pretty big mountain to
25:29
climb. Yeah, six and seven would be in
25:32
San Francisco if they would be. Rick made a good point.
25:36
I mean it. I guess, Rick, I'll say this.
25:38
I'm just not a Draymond fan. But he says every team, even the
25:41
soft cry babies, need a need a Draymond Green to set the tone
25:45
and protect teammates. But that's the thing, Rick, he
25:48
did not protect his own teammates at every instance he
25:51
attacked Jordan Poole. I will never get over that.
25:53
Even though that was during practice, he still did it.
25:56
So he didn't protect his teammates.
26:00
Yeah, You know, the The funny thing is Michael Jordan did take
26:04
a punch of Steve Kerr and at that been on tape for us to see.
26:10
You know, it's more dramatic when you see Estonia stuff like
26:13
that goes on behind the scenes. I mean, look at the case.
26:18
And it was terrible with Ray Rice.
26:20
OK, we've heard of other NFL players with domestic abuse, but
26:25
you saw it with Ray Rice. If you never saw the video and
26:30
just heard about it, you still be appalled by what happened.
26:34
But the level of outrage would be, I hate to say it a little
26:39
less because you didn't have the visual to see.
26:43
Whenever you have the visual, the level of outrage increases.
26:48
Yeah, I mean you. This is the day and age we live
26:52
in. And I always say I'm so glad
26:55
when I was younger the things weren't documented on film like
26:58
they are now. Not that I did something to that
27:00
degree, but just everybody has this mentality, not necessarily
27:04
to even help somebody, but to just record and document and put
27:08
it out there for the media, put it out there for the public.
27:11
And I I was watching a clip this weekend.
27:14
Jack, it was ACNN correspondent. They were doing a live take and
27:19
his Co host just collapsed at the at the desk while they were
27:23
on live and all he did was basically said, you know,
27:27
somebody will help her. And the news just continued.
27:30
And then finally for a couple of seconds he had to actually stop
27:33
because he couldn't get himself together.
27:35
We have literally lost the human element as far as what's
27:39
compassionate towards another person because everybody's in
27:43
such a moment to record and put it in history so everybody can
27:49
visually look at what's going on.
27:51
And I think it's the same situation that we have in the
27:54
league. You know, everybody's got a
27:56
camera phone at practice. Everybody's got a camera phone
28:00
in the locker room. Like sometimes it's good because
28:03
we see positive things. But you know, all it takes is
28:07
one person that is willing to, you know, get some money from a
28:11
source, or they may just not care for that person and they
28:15
can't wait to put something bad out there.
28:17
Yeah, but I don't want to get off track with sports here.
28:21
But I, I agree with you in large part.
28:23
But look, when DeMar Hamilton suffered that episode during the
28:27
football game, I think everyone was very compassionate.
28:31
They stopped the game. The players would distraught the
28:35
people, you know, in Buffalo went home.
28:38
And I don't think anyone hopefully was complaining.
28:41
I hopefully they weren't complaining that, oh, that the
28:44
game's not continuing. You know, I think there's a lot
28:49
of compassion there. But but but getting back, you
28:54
know, now I'm getting back with sports here because let's be
28:57
honest about it, Sony, that's why people are listening to
28:59
this. This shows they normally don't
29:02
want to hear about morality and this and morality of that.
29:05
I mean, but that is an issue in sports with what fans can say,
29:10
what they're limited to say and what they're not limited.
29:15
Yeah. So of course today is the the
29:17
NBA draft lottery schedule in Chicago, IL It's going to take
29:22
tonight, take place tonight at 7:00.
29:24
It's going to determine the order in which the the 14 non
29:27
playoff franchise teams will select their main picks for the
29:31
25th of June and 26th at the Barclays Center in New York.
29:36
Not Cooper flag, but his classmate, Duke freshman Isaiah
29:40
Evans has withdrawn his NBA draft to return to college.
29:45
Jack. Well, it's only 18 years old.
29:50
Yeah. So with Cooper.
29:52
I don't know what, but Cooper Flag is projected to go #1 and
29:58
#2 and we talk about legacy players.
30:03
Excuse me, but there's business, a business side of it involved
30:06
as well. Cooper Flag is a white player.
30:10
The last time I looked it was white and that enters into the
30:13
equation. Let's be honest about it.
30:16
If you're a a potential star type player, there's a fan base
30:21
and you know fans of cities want the best players they can get.
30:26
Don't get me wrong, I mean they want the best players.
30:30
But all factors being equal, if a coup of flag turns into an NBA
30:34
star, he's going to be incredibly valuable for that
30:39
franchise. Incredibly.
30:42
But it depends on the, you know, the city he goes to.
30:46
How energized is a fan base? If he goes someone like
30:50
Washington to the Washington Wizards, that's not exactly the
30:54
most energized fan base. I mean, he'll energize them a
30:58
little more, but I don't know what that city appreciate him as
31:02
much as, let's say, Charlotte. Would you tell me the difference
31:06
would be 1 to the Charlotte, you know, haunted to the Washington
31:09
Wizards? I think there's a big difference
31:12
as far as you know how valuable he'd be to the particular city
31:17
slash franchise. Well, I mean, I, I guess it's
31:21
kind of like how you brought up morality and people don't really
31:23
necessarily want to talk about it when they're talking about
31:26
sports. Everybody doesn't want to always
31:28
enter the race issue. But Isaiah Evans is African
31:31
American. He's black.
31:33
He's these are some of his stats.
31:35
He's 66, just a little bit shorter than Cooper Cooper's
31:38
like 6-6 something close, 676 something.
31:41
He's about the same size, 175. But he was a five star recruit
31:45
and a McDonald's All American in 2024.
31:49
In his freshman season, he averaged 6.8 points, 1.1
31:53
rebounds, and in 13 minutes per game shot 41% from 3 point
31:59
range, which led all of Duke's rotation players.
32:03
Jack, he had a strong high school career at North
32:06
Mecklenburg High School, which is right outside of Charlotte
32:08
and he's a two time North Carolina Allstate Mr.
32:12
Basketball. So much to the point that his
32:15
jersey was retired by the school when he was there.
32:18
So he's not just some little random kid that was going to go
32:21
into the draft. Let me see what his projection
32:25
was to go in, but you know, what are your thoughts on that?
32:30
Oh my thoughts. So if you're GM, you have to
32:33
have guts to take the best player at the end because your
32:38
fan base might want one particular player and they might
32:42
be outraged if you don't take them.
32:44
But it might not be the most for many years ago.
32:46
Steve Alfred is a legend at Indiana play, you know, play for
32:51
Barbie Knight at Indiana State. Great college player.
32:54
He was available for the Indiana Pacers to take in the draft.
32:59
What a fit. You think that would have been
33:01
Indiana boy, you know, Indiana State legend, you know, a Barbie
33:06
Knight protege going to the paces.
33:10
But the GM had the guts, and I'm having a brain fog, you know,
33:15
popular GM who took them, took Reggie Miller, and then he went
33:21
into hiding. The GM, he ran out of the
33:23
building, you know, because of all the threats.
33:26
And guess what? Reggie Millers turned out to be
33:29
the most popular Indiana Pace in the team history.
33:33
Hall of Fame a great player. That was the move to make the
33:37
take Reggie Miller. Donnie Walsh.
33:40
Donnie Walsh, Thank you. Donnie Walsh Walsh had the guts
33:46
to do it. Listen, the same thing happened
33:50
with Houston. You know the Houston Texans
33:53
there, they took Mario Williams ahead of Reggie Bush.
33:58
Everyone thought for sure Reggie Bush was going to be taking
34:02
Heisman Trophy winner, running back Marquis Clay, a Mr.
34:06
Popularity the city. Houston couldn't wait with the
34:10
number one pick to get Reggie Bush.
34:12
Instead, they take Mario Williams, a tackle, and Reggie
34:15
Bush goes second to New Orleans. That's what Mario Williams had
34:19
the better career. Reggie Williams had a good
34:22
career, but he didn't have a Hall of Fame career.
34:24
Reggie Bush it was. So the move turned out to be a
34:29
very unpopular move, but it turned out to be the right move.
34:34
Yeah. And that's actually interesting
34:36
you say that because while you were saying, and I was looking
34:38
to see where they possibly were going to try to take Isaiah
34:41
Evans and the early projections where he was going to go late in
34:46
the first round or maybe mid second round.
34:49
So now that basically, and they were just basing this off his of
34:52
his shooting abilities, maybe not if he goes back to Duke and
34:55
gets another season and they'll be keeping an eye out for him to
34:58
see if he improves, you know, and possibly raise his draft
35:02
stock to go in for another another draft.
35:05
Yeah, I, I think playing with Duke another year is real good
35:08
Look, we keep hearing well, if the player gets hurt, he loses
35:12
everything look, with the money they can make in college now
35:16
they can get a a, a nice level of security to start their life.
35:22
OK, a nice level of security number one number two, how many
35:26
career ending injuries are there?
35:28
It it's always possible, it could happen, But let's be
35:32
honest, think of college, you know, football, college
35:37
basketball. How many phenoms who stayed in
35:41
college have gotten injured to the point where they couldn't
35:45
play in the NFLNBAI can't think of 11 instance.
35:50
I mean, I can get hurt. Their stock can go down with an
35:54
injury, Absolutely. And it's happened.
35:57
Stock has gone down, but they can still get a still go to the
36:02
NFLNBA and and, and make millions of dollars and have
36:07
security. Maybe they won't do as well as
36:09
they could do otherwise. That's what we hear by Cooper
36:12
Flag are the declare for the NBA draft.
36:15
Just in case you get hurt. He can make up by $12 million in
36:21
college or whatever. You know, he could.
36:24
If he wanted to go back to Duke for another year, he could have
36:27
done it. Yeah, definitely so.
36:29
And you bring up a good point, Jack.
36:31
I don't know who started the the terms of oh, it could be a
36:36
season in a career. I don't know who put.
36:39
It, Keith angles the one who's always running scared.
36:43
Oh, no, You've got to come out now, just in case you get hurt.
36:47
Just be scared of everything, you know?
36:50
Come on. I think I didn't know I was like
36:53
somebody, you know, but but it is a chance, but it's not like
36:56
off and it's kind of like one of these steps like how what are
36:59
the odds? You know, we talk about odds a
37:01
lot. What are the odds that this
37:03
would happen? But then on the on the flip side
37:05
of that, Jack, you don't want to be on the side that the odd is
37:08
against you, that you are the one that you took a gamble
37:11
because it's still that small percentage.
37:13
But you know, life was the gamble you brought up as.
37:16
Long as you can play, as long as you can rehab and play at some
37:21
point. You think of Cooper Flag for
37:23
example, you know stuff with a terrible injury and had to miss
37:30
the full year. He didn't play next year, had a
37:33
terrible injury. You mean to tell me your team
37:35
wouldn't draft him in the first round still?
37:37
He wouldn't go first overall, I agree with that.
37:41
But he would still get drafted and make an NBA rost at some
37:45
point. Let me give you an NFL example
37:49
of that, and I it's with my own team.
37:52
It it's regarding Jonathan Brooks.
37:55
Jonathan Brooks, who was drafted by the Panthers last season,
38:00
well in 21 through 23, was a standout with the Texas
38:03
Longhorns. In his final season.
38:06
He got all these accolades. That same season he had a torn
38:09
ACL which cut his college season short.
38:13
When the draft kicked off, he was one of the top running back
38:18
prospects in the 24 draft. The Panthers drafted him in the
38:24
second round, 46th overall, and he was the first running back,
38:28
Jack that was picked up in the whole draft.
38:31
So he was the top running back and was the top draft pick for
38:34
last year. When he came in, he was already
38:38
injured and was unable to play for the Panthers.
38:41
He could not start. He could not even take the
38:43
field. OK, they brought him back.
38:45
The team doctors for the Panthers at the time cleared him
38:49
to play. And then in Week 12 against the
38:53
Chiefs, he got hurt again after recovering from his ACL tear.
38:58
Excuse me? He played.
39:00
He couldn't play until week. Where was what I'm saying?
39:02
My bad. He played the Chiefs after
39:04
recovering from that initial ACL tear that he had in college.
39:09
Jack, we're talking about a whole year of recovery for the
39:11
ACL. Then two weeks later, he's
39:15
playing the Philadelphia Eagles. He gets another ACL tear in the
39:21
same knee due to a non contact play and had to have surgery in
39:26
January. Now they've just announced that
39:29
he's going to miss this entire season.
39:32
He only took a few pieces while they tried to get him to recover
39:37
because he came in with this almost season ending injury.
39:43
And because of that, he's now limited in his ability to play.
39:48
And so the fact that he is now limited is exactly what I'm
39:52
talking about. He came, he was in college, he
39:54
got injured in college. He was already having a a
39:57
powerhouse year. Had he not done that last
40:00
season, he would not have been injured.
40:03
He would have come in the draft probably healthy.
40:06
And we're talking about a different Jonathan Brooks.
40:07
Now we're talking about another second full season of him after
40:10
being drafted that he's unable to to play.
40:17
A mutual mic. Jack, I'm sorry.
40:19
These things happen, but when all is said and done, let's say
40:24
Jonathan Brooks keeps trying to rehab and it doesn't quite work
40:29
out and he has to retire OK at some point.
40:33
And he played two games. But he would still have made a
40:38
few $1,000,000. That's the point I'm trying to
40:41
make. It's not like he's going to be
40:45
looking for a job and he's going to have no money to pay the
40:49
rent. He's going to be fine in
40:51
starting on this new segment in life, OK, It's after football
40:56
life. He's going to be given much more
40:59
of a head start than the vast majority of other people are,
41:03
you know, who are looking for their first real job, more or
41:08
less. That's what I'm trying to say.
41:10
It's it, But that's an extreme case.
41:14
And even then, he's going to have some semblance of financial
41:18
security and in the worst case scenario.
41:22
Jack, let me break down his contract for you.
41:25
He had a signing bonus of 2,000,941 dollars, $2,941,000
41:33
five. 100 well it's 3 million to make it easier his.
41:35
Total guaranteed is only $4 million.
41:41
Good gosh, Sonia. Only $4 million.
41:44
That's his guarantee that he's going for his first job.
41:48
Whatever. I don't know what he what fields
41:51
he would like to have, hypothetically, but let's say he
41:54
decided to become an accountant, a teacher.
41:58
Yeah, hopefully at all. Maybe go back to school to
42:01
finish college if he hasn't. OK, he'll be fine.
42:06
You know, you put most of the money in the bank, you get try
42:10
to live off the interest for the most part.
42:12
Not that interest is that high, but it's high enough.
42:16
If you could put 3 million in the bank at 3%, that's $90,000 a
42:21
year. So you live a little
42:23
conservatively, you get your degree, I mean, and that's the
42:27
worst case scenario. Well, his, according to what I'm
42:32
reading here and let me grab Rick's comment, real.
42:34
Quick then he can go well what is Rick talking about that he's
42:38
called back his guys credit? Oh, Rick, come on.
42:42
But I mean. You don't know what interest he
42:45
has, Rick. I mean, maybe he has none.
42:47
I mean, maybe it is basket weeping, but maybe he wants to
42:51
be, you know, an architect I have.
42:53
Not heard a basket. Like I said.
42:56
I've. Heard it.
42:58
I I don't know. I haven't heard of basket
43:01
weaving since I was a kid. I don't know a great
43:03
grandmother. Oh, OK.
43:05
So this is the thing though, Jack.
43:06
So I said 4 million, but basically this year he only had
43:11
$795,000. And so, I mean, it doesn't sound
43:15
like a lot, but I personally just know.
43:18
Sounds like a lot. Sounds like a lot to me. 7 I
43:22
mean, I'm not. Not from an athlete's
43:24
perspective. Not from an athlete's
43:26
perspective. Yeah, OK.
43:28
So his cash payout for this year that he's getting ready to miss
43:32
is 1,177,000 dollars, 595 S he's still getting $1,000,000.
43:39
He's he's signed they guaranteed and that's my question.
43:43
So if he's injured or is he still getting paid because he's
43:46
signed through 2027? Yeah, they have to pay him.
43:50
Oh my goodness. Well, the cap hit.
43:52
The cap hit alone for this year is 1,000,000.
43:55
Rookie deal that he gets a certain amount.
43:58
They have to be. They have to pay him.
44:01
Wow. Well, they've they've got, he's
44:02
hitting the cap hit on every one of them.
44:05
This, this season alone, he's going to be hitting close to the
44:08
$2,000,000 cap hit with the Panthers because he's not
44:11
playing. So I, I had to talk about that,
44:14
'cause we talked about season ending injuries.
44:16
Let's talk about another thing, Jack, because I know that we
44:19
were on yesterday's show, the big football show, the big
44:22
sports show on Sunday. But I I do want to, you know,
44:26
get your thoughts here. I know you can't wait to go in
44:28
on the New Orleans Saints, but Derek Carr and his labrum
44:32
injury. How, how convenient is this that
44:35
this is coming out now that no one's mentioned this labrum
44:38
injury on his throwing arm nonetheless.
44:40
And now, of course, he's retiring from the league.
44:43
He doesn't want, you know, play. Period.
44:45
Look, it's Derek Carr's right to retire.
44:48
He shouldn't play unless he wants to.
44:50
Rehab is a very difficult thing. He would have to endure a
44:56
rigorous 6 month process, you know, to rehab to get back to
45:01
fully normal if he could get back to fully normal all
45:05
together. And players are different.
45:08
It depends how bad they want to come back.
45:12
They can hang it up and and no one should really criticize him.
45:16
Look at Alex Smith. He had the most gruesome leg
45:20
injuries yet he did all that rehab to come back.
45:24
And you wonder how wise it was to come back.
45:27
Look, Aaron Rodgers after the Achilles, he could have retired,
45:32
but you know he wanted to come back.
45:35
It depends on the players. Some guys, you know, they don't
45:39
want to retire no matter what. They want to keep coming back.
45:42
But rehab is the most loneliest things to do and to and to pay
45:47
that price and rehab, he just didn't want to Derek cost.
45:51
So, you know, let him have a happy retirement.
45:55
What's his legacy going to be? I don't think it's going to be
45:58
that great of a legacy. He didn't really do anything
46:01
with the Saints and and with the Raiders.
46:05
At most, you could say he was perhaps OK At most, I mean, I
46:10
wouldn't go that far. I think he was quite average
46:13
with the Raiders. They never won a playoff game
46:16
with him as the quarterback he'd have.
46:18
He put up some good statistics from time to time and they did
46:23
have one good, really good year with him as the start, I think
46:27
when they went 12 and 4. But All in all, he wasn't the
46:30
answer. You know, he, when he went to
46:34
New Orleans, I didn't expect anything more than he produced
46:38
and he didn't produce anything more and he was a free agent.
46:43
I was hoping he wouldn't go, you know, The Jets, me being a Jets
46:46
fan. And when he didn't, there was a
46:48
level of relief. Derek Card to me was always too
46:51
good to be a backup. He was better than your backups
46:55
in the league, OK, because he wasn't a bad quarterback.
46:59
He could start. You could win with him to a
47:03
point, but that was the thing. You don't want a quarterback who
47:07
you could win with to a point. You want someone who can carry
47:11
you through the whole way to the season, you know, hopefully to
47:14
the Super Bowl. You just never seen that type of
47:18
guy. And now with New Orleans, where
47:20
do they have Tyler slap? Is that how you say something?
47:24
You don't even know how to say his name.
47:27
We were all doing it on the show yesterday.
47:30
Everyone. I can't even pronounce his name.
47:34
Louisville, the 26. You know, Louisville who's
47:36
injured, you know, it seems on and off.
47:41
Yeah. And.
47:42
And then you get Spencer Rattler, who got the.
47:45
Playground, hold on. They sold on Spencer Rattler.
47:48
They're sold on him. Let let me let me say.
47:50
They're sold on him. They wouldn't have used the 40th
47:53
they train loves. Him they train loves him, he
47:58
said. You know, and and we saw Spencer
48:00
Rattler, Jack, I don't know if you watch New Orleans games last
48:03
season, we saw a couple of, you know, debuts of Spencer Rattler.
48:06
I was impressed for what for what New Orleans was working
48:09
with Spencer Rattler had concise pipe pass.
48:13
Excuse me because that concise can't get it out concise passes.
48:17
He seemed to have the control of of that offense.
48:21
He didn't seem to have, you know, he seemed to be balanced
48:24
is what I'm saying. He wasn't all over the place.
48:27
He was very level headed. He seemed like his passes were
48:30
calculated everything. I mean, I don't know if I don't
48:34
want to say he's their franchise quarterback, but he's definitely
48:38
a gap filler for where they are now.
48:40
But like you said, they drafted show.
48:43
But I'm going to be honest with you, Jack, two things #1 Derek
48:47
Carr having a labrum tear. I, I think I told you, I know a
48:51
few people know I've had a labrum tear.
48:54
I had surgery five years ago this year.
48:57
To this day, if it gets cold outside and I went through rehab
49:01
for nine months and I don't even do professional throwing, but it
49:05
was my right arm. It was the dominant arm.
49:08
And some days I wish I'd never had the the repair surgery at
49:11
all because the repair surgery, I'm supposed to go for cortisone
49:14
shots every 18 months or whatever because the pain,
49:18
sometimes I could barely lift my arm to get a shirt on.
49:20
And so that's that. Recovery for a regular person is
49:24
rough, let alone for an athlete. And that's their throwing arm.
49:28
Derek Carr played eleven season in the NFL. 169 games had 41,245
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passing yards. 257 of those were touchdowns.
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Almost half of them were interceptions.
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With 112 he had a completed rate percentage of 65%.
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Passer rating was pretty good. 92.8% rushing yards 9956, 7
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rushing touchdowns. On his own he was in the Pro
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Bowl 4 * 2015 through 17 and 2022.
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His best days were as an Oakland Raider, just like you said.
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When he got in New Orleans in 2023 he had 375 completions and
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then in the last season it went down significantly.
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Jack only 189. So it was it was that was the
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worst season he had. Maybe he was injured.
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I mean, clearly he was if he's saying it now.
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But he has several franchise records with the Raiders,
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including the career passing yards and touchdowns.
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It's just by the time he gets to New Orleans, you're you're
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right. He's not a good he's better.
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He's that in between quarterback.
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He's like, I like to call them kind of like the Flacco's, like
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you could float somebody if they got a, you know.
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But Joe Flacco, they won the Super Bowl and it with him as
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quarterback of the Ravens, Flacco was a legitimate starting
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NFL quarterback. Well, I'm.
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Saying now that he's pulled back in like that's.
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Why they now Flacco's somewhat in the backup, I mean now and
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Derek Carr, listen, I mean, if you're going to compare him to a
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Tyrod Taylor, you could say, yeah, he was marginally better
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than the Tyrod Taylor type. Yeah, I someone's got to put up
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numbers. I mean, quarterbacks could put
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up numbers that look impressive at times.
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And look, Derek, I had a career he could be proud of.
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He was in the league double digit years.
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The Raiders had, you know, some regular season success with
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Derek Carr. You know, he just wasn't the guy
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who I would want as my franchise quarterback.
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I mean, you know, he and you know, enough with Derek Carr as
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far as that, 'cause you know, nothing.
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I, it seems like I've been a big Derek Carr critic over the years
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and I haven't meant to be 1. He's not a bad quarterback by
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any means, OK? I just wouldn't warn him.
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It's like I said a moment ago to my franchise quarterback, but
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with Spencer Rappler. Spencer Rappler's problem is
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he's playing in the modern day NFL.
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Spencer Rappler needs time to develop.
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He could be potentially a good quarterback of quality starting
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in that NFL quarterback, but in this day and age, teams don't
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have the time to put into a quarterback to develop them
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unless it's a blue chip prospect.
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The Bears could be patient with the Caleb Williams because he's
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a number one overall draft choice.
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Spencer Rapper was a fifth round draft choice and when your fifth
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round draft choice, teams aren't going to have patience to
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develop you. That's what I was going to bring
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up next. I mean, his Spencer Rattlers
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stats. I mean, he played seven games
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and he started in six of those games for the things he
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completed 130 of 228 passes, so 57%, just a little half over
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1300 yards and four touchdowns, though Jack with five
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interceptions. I mean, he's starting out kind
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of rough, but. He's on a bad team.
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The Saints are bad team. I mean, let's be honest about
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it. I mean, but if they had
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confidence in Spencer Rattler, they would not have taken a
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quarterback in the second round, 40th over Royal.
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They would not have done it. I could understand they took a
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quarterback late on in the fourth or fifth round, but when
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you take another quarterback in the second round, it sends a
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message. The only time I saw something
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like that happened and it didn't send a message.
53:38
Well, a couple of times it happened with the Packers taking
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Jordan Love with the Eagles when they had Aaron Rodgers with the
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Eagles, taking Jalen Hurts when Carson Wentz was playing bad.
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You know, I, I want to, not to change the topic completely, but
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we've milked out Spencer Rattler.
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Basically, Sonya, you should be ashamed of yourself with the
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difficulty you caused. You were going off on the
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Colorado Rockies the other day, how terrible they were.
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You wouldn't let up. And now they fired their
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manager. It's as if they're listening.
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To Bud Black got fired. 90. Days and there after you're
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after you're outburst the Colorado Rockies fired but black
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you were claiming that they basically to paraphrase you were
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saying they were the biggest disgrace in all the sports
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losing what 21 nothing. In a baseball game. 21 zero in a
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baseball game is huge. And yes they fired Bud Black on
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son Oh Mother's Day. I feel so bad for him.
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Yeah. You know, he was 7 and 33, Jack.
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He was 7 and 33. That wasn't just that one game
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that resulted in terrible. And if they said it's the worst
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in MLB history, Jack. So I'm not the only person that
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sees that. I'm not blaming but Black for
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them being so bad. They obviously have a bad
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roster, but managing a baseball team, I don't want to say it's
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overrated because managers could make a difference.
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It depends how you handle players.
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But this isn't like like coaching basketball.
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You put me on an NBA bench now, even though I'll know the
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players, I'm not going to know rotations.
55:25
I'm not going to know the intimate details of coaching.
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Even though I've coached on the high school level.
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I would be way over my head in the NFL, in the NBA, if I had to
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coach. You put me on an NFL sideline
55:39
and have me coach a game. I would be completely clueless
55:44
where to put players where they should line up, when changes
55:48
should be made. You know, as a completely
55:50
clueless, that's compared to the NFL coaches I just got basically
55:55
have a strong fans knowledge. Would you put me on the bench as
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a Major League manager? Yeah, I would rely on my bullpen
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coaches for certain switches and this and that, don't get me
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wrong, But all you have to do is pencil in a lineup and you could
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win that given game. You might not even know what
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you're doing, but just right in the line up in your team could
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win conceivably. But it's a managing, it's
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important to extend and extend how you handle players, certain
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moves you make. But when you have a team as bad
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as Colorado Rockies, I don't care who's managing you, you
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know, or any moves you make it, it's going to be painful.
56:38
Jack, they gave him nine seasons to get that team together.
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Nine seasons, nine years. They were long-suffering with
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him. He was the 7th manager in the
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franchise history of the team. So they're very long-suffering
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with all their managers because you know, they give everybody
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their own rope. He managed the team from 2017
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until yesterday, Sunday. He had 544 wins and 690 losses.
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Jack like significantly more losses than wins, but for them
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he was. This is what's crazy.
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He was the winningest manager in their his franchise history of
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both games with wins and losses. He took them to their first
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postseason in 2017 and 18. So he started off really good.
57:27
When they first brought him there, they had a lot of hopes
57:29
for him. He was looking really good as
57:31
the manager of that of that organization back-to-back.
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Winning. What was the year?
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Wait, what was the year that they went to the World Series
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and they lost to the Red Sox? Was that 2017?
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Yeah, they went they well. They lost in four games to the
57:50
Red Sox. They got swept in the series.
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Yeah, they went to the, they went to the the NIL, the Excuse
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me Wild Card game in 2017 and in the NL Division Series in 2018.
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Yeah, they had some success there early on.
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You know, you can't. I hate when managers, coaches
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get fired in season. I normally prefer you make the
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move after the season unless you really think you can salvage the
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season. We were talking, well, I know
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we're running out of time. So to be my last statement, we
58:28
were discussing like a coaching change with the Denver Nuggets
58:32
and OK C and you were saying, oh, it seems like the Nuggets
58:36
moving on for Mark Malone. Mike Malone is working out, but
58:42
we it's only working out if they beat OKC.
58:46
If they beat OKC, you could feel OK, maybe it's worked out.
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If they lose to OKC, you can't say the move has worked out.
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Yes, what have you done for me lately?
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That's the mentality that that a lot of us live in and that's how
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it is in sports. And so we wish Bud well in his
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next career adventure. We appreciate everybody for
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joining us today. Jack, always a pleasure to have
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you on. Join Jack and Frank Luktierzo
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tonight with a special guest at 7 for the Glove 5th and also
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shows throughout today on the network and Jack and I will see
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you on Wednesday morning. Otherwise, for this show, we
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wish everybody a great day.