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#209 Exploring the Connection Between Humility and Revival with Dr. Glenn Sheppard · The OneCry Podcast

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When I am with God, finding God's will, discerning God's way,
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obeying God's commandments, I stand on the most solid ground that any human
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can stand on on the face of this earth.
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Welcome to the One Cry Podcast, a nationwide call for spiritual awakening.
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The goal, accelerating the movement of God through sharing revival truth, stories, and reports.
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Well, hello. So glad to be with you here on the One Cry podcast.
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My name is Byron Paulus, and I'm just blessed to be a part of the One Cry movement
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in the context of what God is doing right now in quickening the hearts of believers,
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especially Gen Z, toward revival and spiritual awakening.
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So thank you so much for joining us today. And we have a very special guest
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and a very unusual context for us at our home base, at our headquarters,
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where I'm standing right now.
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We host a chapel for all of our staff, whether they're remote,
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no matter where they are in the world and where they are here locally.
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We gather every week and we have a time to just hear from others regularly.
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And so today we're doing that. We're going to let you kind of jump in on the
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inside here and watch and participate.
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Listen to our chapel.
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And our guest today is someone that I have held in the highest of esteem for many years.
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Somebody who's had a profound impact on my life, but more than a profound impact
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in prayer throughout our nation and world.
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One of the founding charter members of the National Prayer Committee is Glenn Shepard.
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And Glenn Shepard is someone who God has used to help many of us,
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as he has mentored us over the years,
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to become biblically rooted, theologically rooted, but also dependent upon the Holy Spirit.
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And so we asked Glenn to...
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Just zoom into our chapel a few weeks ago, and we asked him to just talk to us heart to heart.
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And I love what God put on his heart, dealing with humility and pride and the
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need for the next revival to be bathed with a heart of humility.
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So I would encourage you, just pause long enough to focus intently upon which
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this really mentor to so many leaders and man of God has to say to us at this
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hour in light of all God is doing.
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So thank you for joining us. And here from Chapel is Glenn Shepard.
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What I want to share with you this morning is it deals with this whole business of pride and humility.
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In the book of James, of course, you know that passage in James,
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it says where it's so bluntly the writer addresses believers and says you're an adulteress.
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You don't do what you ought to do, and you pray, but your prayers are wrongly directed.
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You're praying for what you want instead of what heaven wants.
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And then it goes on to say in a very simple and profound way.
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God resists the proud, but he gives grace to the humble.
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The same thing said in 1 Peter 5, I think it is.
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Anytime God says something once, it's worth paying attention.
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When it's said twice, almost identically, you must pay attention.
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And where we are today, standing on the brink of a movement of God,
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We're seeing a geopolitical shift in our whole political arena.
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And it's not only here in America.
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I travel many countries around the world. We're seeing it internationally, globally.
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The thing that the Lord has been speaking to me is don't stand in arrogant pride.
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Don't say, look what we have done. Don't claim our nation is the hope for the entire world.
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And so I want to talk a little bit this morning about pride.
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All of us travel on one of two roads almost every day of our life.
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And for me, I don't know about all of you, but for me, it's a battle to remain on the road of humility.
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The road of pride is so tempting and so I want you to take a piece of paper
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you can just take a blank piece of paper if you want just a simple piece of
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paper like this and up at the top left corner put the word pride and at the
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bottom right corner put the word humility humility,
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Pride always starts high and has nowhere to go but never.
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Humility always starts low, and the limit is heaven. There is no limit. There is infinite work.
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And if you stop for a moment and begin to think about this, and I teach a lot
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of young people, and I share with them these principles, I ask them,
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what do you perceive pride to be?
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And, of course, you get all of the traditional answers that pride is thinking
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more of yourself than you do of others, putting self first.
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There's a thousand different ways to phrase that, but it comes down to this simple single thing.
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I asked the Lord one day, Lord, what's your definition of pride?
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And God answered me very clearly. He said, it's when you think more of yourself than I think of you.
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And of course I understood that here but all of a sudden it moved here into my spirit,
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and I began to think immediately biblically, you can go back to Genesis and
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move all the way through to the closing moments in the book of Revelation,
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you see that you see that perspective in every human heart.
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Lucifer was the author of it.
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He was one of the three archangels of heaven led worship sang the hallelujah
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chorus and he was not satisfied with who God had made him to be he wanted to be God,
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And if you put that little piece of paper in perspective, pride always leads downward to rebellion.
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That's what happened with Lucifer. He rebelled against God.
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Now, rebellion is like the measles to the body of Christ, to a spiritual organization,
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to a family. It's catching.
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Anytime I sense rebellion in my heart, I bring it before the Lord,
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and I say to the Lord, Lord, if this is rebellion against something that is
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diabolic and demonic, and it is your will that it be done,
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then give me the guts to stand against it.
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But if it's a rebellion because of my ego, my pride, my flesh,
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then God, I humble myself before you.
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Because you see, rebellion will always lead you downward to the next phrase.
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And that next phase is deception because the heart is just so deceitful.
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And deception is when you believe something is of God that isn't and something isn't of God that is.
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And you turn things upside down.
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And the danger that I think we stand at today is to think that we can solve
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the issues that are before us at the ballot box instead of in the intercessor's closet.
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I don't know where it came in my heart, but many years ago, the Lord began to
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speak to me and tell me, I would never stand stronger or taller than when I
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knelt in the closet of intercession.
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When I am with God, finding God's will, discerning God's way,
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obeying God's commandments, I stand on the most solid ground that any human
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can stand on on the face of this earth.
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And of course, when pride begins to lead to rebellion, rebellion leads to deception.
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Then we see it in our government. We've watched the deception that has permeated
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our educational system that was to inform and educate,
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but has become a system of indoctrination and to misinform and to indoctrinate
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literally generation after generation.
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Many of our great colleges and universities, and this is no surprise to any
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of you, but many of our great colleges and universities were established,
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Harvard was originally established,
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to train hot-hearted young evangelists to win the loss to Christ.
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Now, that's my paraphrase, but it's still in the very charter of Harvard.
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And look at where it is today. And so...
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We pervert things. We begin to say what God says is not right and what we want
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is wrong, is the right thing.
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And we turn our hearts against that. But that comes from pride.
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And the end result of that, of course, is a perverted lifestyle.
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When I teach this so often, especially to young people in America,
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you know, pride to rebellion to deception to perversion.
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When I speak that, they often think, oh, Papa G, as they call me,
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you're talking about sexual, sensual.
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Yes, those are perversions, but that's not what I'm talking about. perversion.
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The greatest perversion in America today is the church without the spirit of
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God operating and controlling it.
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That is perversion of the highest order. It is religion without form.
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It's a form of godliness, a godly activity without godly anointing.
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And it leads to nowhere except confusion, chaos, and turbulence.
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The end result of that is where we have come to, but we're seeing a change.
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As we saw it in 1970 in Asbury, as we saw again just a couple of years ago in
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2023, again at Asbury, thank God.
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And as we're seeing in college campuses and One Cry Bar and your group and others,
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you guys that are there that are listening, you've been reporting at 18, 20, 30 colleges now.
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UK is seeing transformation. France is having moves of God.
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I've just come out of Thailand and Nepal. I was in Paraguay earlier this year.
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I am sensing among a group of young people, a generation that are not,
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they remind me of what they said about the first apostles, uneducated, almost illiterate.
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Rough, coarse, but touched by something that begins to not reform them, but transform them.
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I mean, they are becoming new creatures, and they don't know all of the theological
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terms that they need to learn and will learn as they progress,
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but they are being transformed supernaturally,
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and that's happening.
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And so I believe we're standing on the brink of that.
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And if we, Americans, Christians, begin to think, oh, it's because of what God's done.
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And the only thing we've done is begin to humble ourselves.
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The great passage in 2 Chronicles 7, 14, of my people, not senators and representatives
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and these legal experts and the CEOs of company and military and entertainment.
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But if we get on our knees and say, God, I can't.
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God willingly says, I know, but I can't. And I've waited.
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I've waited for your can't so I can can it.
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I want to pour my spirit in and through a generation. So pride always leads downward.
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It leads you away from God. It leads you into rebellion, into deception,
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and ultimately into perversion. But that's enough.
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That's bad stuff. Let's go over here. And I want to begin here with humility.
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If my people, in a life verse of mine, 2 Chronicles 7, 14, if my people shall humble themselves.
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When God began to deal with me in 1970, I had been very active.
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I knew how to climb the ecclesiastical letters.
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I was busy being a good Baptist Christian.
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And when God began to deal with my heart, he dealt, first of all,
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with my rebellion against God, and I was broken.
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I got on my knees in the chapel and seminary and wept for hours until literally
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I had nothing to weep from any longer, almost dehydrated.
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But if there's a dehydration, it's good. It's a dehydration caused by the Holy
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Spirit that empties you.
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And begins to avail you to be filled. And, uh.
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And that humility, in those moments, I began to understand what God was intending to do.
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And I'm still on that journey now, 50 plus years removed, five full decades.
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And so humility, let's start down here with humility, down at the bottom,
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always begins on its knees.
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I often ask young people because I'm curious as to how they think and what they
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think, what is humility? And, of course, they use the traditional things,
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you know, thinking of others before you think of yourself and so forth.
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I asked the Lord, I said, Lord, what is your thoughts on humility?
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This is what he spoke into my heart. He said, humility is when you obtain my
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opinion about anything you're dealing with on earth and then pray heaven to earth.
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You bring, and of course, immediately I thought of the model prayer,
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thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it's already set up there in heaven.
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God's got a plan. And as we latch on to the very hem of his garment,
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as the woman did, as Jesus passed through the crowd, just touch it.
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Something happens, and we begin to bring heaven to earth.
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So humility is not something that we pray for God to make us humble.
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You know, so often, I quite often ask people when I'm speaking in this area,
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have you ever prayed and said, God humbled me?
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I have to put my hand up. It's a dangerous prayer. He will do it,
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and he does it sometimes.
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But I remind you that the Scripture teaches us that Jesus humbled himself.
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Humility is not a force from heaven that molds you into the perfected will of God.
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Humility is a yielded heart that turns your life over to the master craftsman
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so that you begin to be transformed and your life emits the very fragrance in the presence of God.
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And it's the fruit of the Spirit. It's love. It's joy. It's peace. It's peace.
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It's tenacious. this long-suffering mildness, meekness, it's not a puny little weakness.
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It's the powerful, dynamic fragrance of Almighty God.
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And it begins literally to change the atmosphere where you are.
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And when you humble yourself, you choose, you start down here. You humble yourself.
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Humility leads upward to submission. upward.
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You submit. There are two directions
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of submission. There's vertical submission to the will of heaven.
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There's horizontal submission to each other.
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That's why the word of God says in order of preferring one another.
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I've been buried, Jackie and I've been buried 61 years this year.
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And I often tell that when we first got married, I thought she's the most phenomenal
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thing in the world I've learned she is that but I,
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I thought, my gracious, who is
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this girl I'm married to? That was only 15 minutes after we got married.
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And our personalities were different. Our backgrounds, we didn't have to cross
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geographical distances. We were in the same little area.
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We didn't have ethical or moral differences. We didn't have language differences.
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But she was different. And so sometimes I'd say to her, you make me so mad.
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And she said, darn it, I don't make you mad. I just squeeze you and what's inside leaks out.
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And she became my theologian at that point because, you see,
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what's in us is going to come out, not when we stand in the pulpit and pontificate,
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not when we sit in the pew and absorb,
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but when we operate in society and the world squeezes you, what leaks out is
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what brings transformation.
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Jesus leaked heaven on earth.
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And when we are submitted to God because we have humbled ourselves,
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we begin to, in honor, prefer one another.
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Can you imagine the resolution that would bring in Washington, D.C. this morning?
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Can you imagine the transformation? Can you imagine what that would bring in
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divorce courts all across the country?
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Can you imagine what that would bring in, well, I'm Baptist in background,
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Bapticostal, they call me Christian.
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Can you imagine what that would bring in churches? Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, and at one another. If we just did not have preferred one another.
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We loved others like Jesus loved us. And so when you humble yourself, what happens?
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You submit to God and you begin in order to prefer one another.
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That humility then, as we submit, puts us in a position where we have ears to hear.
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We begin to be tuned to God at a level that we've not lived at.
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And God begins to trust us and pour revelation into us.
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And you see, Revelation, you know, I grew up like most of you did in church.
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If you grew up in church, Revelation, you know, the preacher would paint the
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picture of a dark room and somebody turns on the light. That's Revelation. I understand that.
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But revelation is really so much more than that. When I first began preaching,
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I didn't know how to preach.
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I started pastoring as a 17-year-old kid and as a college student.
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And I often say I've been back and apologized.
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Anybody that had a teenage pastor deserves an apology.
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And so I didn't know how to do it.
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So I got some sermon books, simple sermons and so forth. And I cheated and used
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other people's sermons and didn't give credit, and I repented for that.
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But sometimes I did a pretty good job of delivering. Sometimes I did a pretty bad job.
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Often when I would be in the process of delivering a message afterwards in these
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little churches, people would shake your hand as you go out and don't tell you
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what a great sermon it was.
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You knew in your heart that it hadn't been real good.
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And I said, Lord, how do I keep people from doing that? I really,
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you know, I wanted to know how they felt.
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I wanted to deal with them. I wanted to grow with them.
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So he said, just ask them what I said to them this morning.
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And so I stood there just reaching out, take their hand, holding and shaking
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them. Say, well, sister, what did God say this morning?
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And quite often people would be like deer caught in the headlights, petrified.
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And then they would smile and say, well, it's, and then they'd fumble out.
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And I know that they'd heard me, but they'd not heard God.
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And then one day I was shaking on my old farm boy's hands in a little country
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church. And he didn't have much education. He didn't know theology, eschatology.
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He didn't know, you know, all the six opinions about who wrote the book of Isaiah.
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He'd never been to any of that. and I said to him what did God say to you this
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morning and he looked at me.
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And he began to tell me what God had said that morning.
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And what he said that he heard I said was so much better than what I had said
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until I wanted to take notes on what he said I said because it was far more than I'd said.
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And that day when I got before God, I said, God, what was that?
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And he said, son, I always say more than you say when you utterly depend on me.
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Revelation is when God takes the foolishness of preaching, that's biblical,
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and speaks through one of us, any of us, and brings truth from heaven.
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And the angels applaud, and God is honored, and something happens in the atmosphere.
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My old missionary friend, Bertha Smith, who was in the great Shandong revival,
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spent the last 10 or 12 years of her life.
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I spent in her book.
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I just listened to every story she'd tell. She often would speak to Baptist
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preachers' conventions, and she had one message. It was on the holiness of God
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and the sinfulness of man. The red man, black man.
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Get right with God and turn a bird. I mean, it was just pretty straightforward.
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Miss Bertha used to say to preachers, you know, God can use anything.
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He used a donkey one time, and he still used them in pulpits today.
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I want to be God's donkey.
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I want to hear so what heaven says, that when I speak, people forget who spoke
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it, but they know it's truth from heaven.
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And when that kind of thing begins to happen, you see this progression.
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Let me go back to it again.
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Humility leads up into submission. When we're submitted to God in honor of preferring
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one another, we become an open book for God to write truth into our life.
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So many of you that I'm speaking to, you've spoken those kinds of truths into my life.
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As we've walked together through decades, you've poured into me.
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And it's not been, you know, I could applaud you, I could name you this morning,
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but let me tell you what. When you spoke that truth, I knew that I'd heard from
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heaven, not from one of you.
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And revelation is when God takes the instrumentation of his creation and supernaturally
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proclaims a God revelation to mankind.
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Let me finish up this morning real quickly. And there's so much more to this.
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This revelation, when you begin to walk in that.
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You begin to take on a Christ-like maturity.
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And I'm not talking about full-grown maturity. I don't think any of us ever
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get there until we get to where my friend Henry Blackaby is now and some of
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the others that have poured into my life.
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But Christ-like maturity.
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You know, there have been people who have impacted my life.
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When they walked into my presence, they walked into the room where I was.
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It changed the atmosphere.
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Years ago, when I was first teaching and working with our Southern Baptist Convention
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at the then Home Mission Board, now North American Mission Board,
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I was at Ridgecrest doing some conferences.
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We used to do conferences on prayer and awakening, and people came from around the nation.
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I discovered that Baptists were desperate for knowing truth about the Spirit
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and about the Spirit-filled life and about walking in the fullness of the Spirit.
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And I was teaching one morning basically on moves of God.
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Of course, I had seen the Asbury Revival, and I could speak personally about
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that. But I didn't know much about the others.
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I not studied them in seminary, but I began to be a student.
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The great 1857 prayer revival, the Welch Revival.
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I mean, just go on and on, the Hebrides Revival, the work of God and the great
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outpouring in the Shandong province in 1920s.
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Up into the 30s, through their little Norwegian Lutheran missionary,
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Marie Munson, who impacted our Southern Baptist missionaries,
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who began to see signs and wonders and miracles took place.
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I was teaching that morning and telling the stories of what God had done in the Shandong revival.
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And as I was doing that, there were, I don't know, several hundred people,
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and I was pontificating away.
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The back left corner of the room, the door was interesting, the room was the back left corner.
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Two little ladies came walking in.
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And when they walked in, the atmosphere was, it was like someone come in with
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perfume that was very strong, good smelling perfume.
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And they sat down near the back and I, you know, when you're a speaker.
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Most of you are. You watch what's going on.
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You try to listen to God and pay attention and address things,
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not just according to your prepared message, but God's dynamic,
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always changing and transforming preaching message.
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And they were the kind of people, you know, sometimes you'll see people in the
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congregation, they look at you like this, Let's prove it.
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And then there are those who lean forward, and it's almost like they say,
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give me more, give me more.
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These two little ladies were like that. That morning as they were sitting there,
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I'd never seen them before.
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They were obviously elderly, my age now, but I thought they were really old. I was in my forties.
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I finished the message, got ready to leave that day, and we were having a closing
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prayer, and people were on their knees praying.
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I asked my associate to close in prayer because I watched them leave,
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and I went out and I caught them on the sidewalk, and I just simply said, Who are you?
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When I turned around, she was about 4'8", maybe weighed 85 pounds, sparkled.
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And she says, Oh, my name's Olive Lawton. And I said, well, Miss Olive,
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and the other one said very graciously, a stately South Carolina woman said,
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my name is Martha Franks.
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Well, I recognized her because it was a Martha Franks retirement center in South Carolina.
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And I said, tell me about you. And Miss Olive said, I was there. And I said, where?
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She said, in this unknown province.
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And they began to tell me about what God did.
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And I realized that that day I was standing in the presence of some people who
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long ago had humbled themselves.
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They'd never married. They'd had Jesus as their bride.
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They'd learned what it was to work interdenominationally. They learned what
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it was to suffer in concentration camps in Shanghai when the Japanese took over.
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They learned how to hear the presence of God and get revelation from heaven.
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They learned as they lived how to live long enough that their presence carried
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the fragrance of heaven.
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Now this morning as I asked the Lord about speaking to you,
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and I mean it when I say I was honored because I have so much respect for so
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many of you that are on this,
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broadcast and I'm on this Zoom this morning I said Lord what should I share and the Lord said,
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remind them as I've reminded you.
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You never stand tall than on your knees in the closet of intercession.
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Remind them never to march in arrogant egotism and say, look what we're doing,
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changing the shape of our nation.
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We're moving to conservatism from what I would have categorized,
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and I think most of you would, extreme liberalism that was going to destruction.
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Don't stand up and say, look what we've done.
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Kneel down and begin to weep and cry and say, oh God, thank you for what you have done.
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What more does heaven have? What do you want us to reach into heaven and bring down to earth?
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What is your will for where America is headed?
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For this generation, Gen Z that's coming along, How do we pass the blessing
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of what you are doing, have done, and are continuing to do in our spirits,
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our lives, our families?
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How do we pass that on without telling them to be like us, but pointing them to Jesus?
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So this morning as I speak to you, I speak to you not as a seasoned warrior,
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but as a young and learning at the feet of the Master.
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I honestly mean it with all of my heart.
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I am weaker today than I've ever been, and yet I am stronger than I've ever been.
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Not by might nor by power, but by the Spirit of the living Christ.
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And if I could impart anything or accelerate it in most of your learning this,
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if I could impart anything, I would impart the basis of what I'm saying to you,
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that the Spirit of Christ might speak to you in such a way that these next couple of years,
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and I believe we're going to see a shift.
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I believe we're going to come into a time with the atmosphere.
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I can remember in the 70s going in and out of McDonald's sometimes and every
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table I'd see there'd be somebody at the tables praying.
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I can remember coming from the seminary out to the little church in Louisville
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where I was pastoring on the outskirts of Louisville,
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and stopping at a McDonald's and there were people on their knees kids,
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basically that hippie generation and they were crying out to God.
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That's the generation that I want to speak to.
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So that's kind of the genesis of what God said for me to say to you this morning.
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If you'd allow me, I'd like to pray for you for a minute, and then,
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Byron, I'll turn it back over to you.
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God, thank you for my brothers and sisters. These are treasured friends.
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They're more precious to me with the passing of every day.
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You have used so many of them to pour deep, powerful, eternal truths into my very being.
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I know there's been truths from you, but you've used them as vessels,
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so may they be blessed today.
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God, give us the wisdom as spiritual leaders.
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I pray for what's happening with one cry and the impact that can only be explained
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by your sovereignty that it's having over the body of Christ,
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not only here in America, but now it's beginning to spread to countries around the world.
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I pray, God, humility will be the mark. I pray that our knees will become calloused,
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our hearts will become tender, our minds will be more filled with the thoughts of heaven,
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and our energy will be more powerful than we've ever had.
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May we truly understand that as we are weak, you are strong through us.
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And so I pray for my brothers and my sisters this morning, the great blessing
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of humility, in order that they might be light in the darkness,
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fragrance in the sourness, and truth in the confusion.
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In Jesus' name I pray. Amen. it.
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Well, I trust that you were as blessed, challenged, and convicted.
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Honestly, in what Glenn shared here in our chapel service.
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I was moved deeply by the reminder that really, pride is thinking more highly
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of myself than what God thinks of me.
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And somebody else said one time, Pride is really thinking more highly of ourselves
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than what God and I know to be really true.
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And so I'm realizing more and more, as Glenn shared, that a pathway,
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a highway to revival is really built through humility, that the great need today,
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if we're going to see God descend in great power, we need to descend in great humility.
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I think of Isaiah, in Isaiah 57, 15, it says, God dwells in a high and lofty
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place, but he dwells also in a place of those who are broken and contrite in spirit.
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There's been such here in this podcast, such a reception on Bill Elif's and
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Kyle Reno's teaching on the present-centered life.
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And when we think of revival just being God's presence, we also know that God
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is present with those who are humble.
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So I trust that you will keep involved and engaged in this movement,
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that you will be a tool to accelerate the movement that is taking place right
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now, and that you will join so many others that are doing that.
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By just simply taking a step of humility. And so I'm so grateful for Glenn Shepard.
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I have here behind me in our office a quote by Bob Bakke.
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And he said, there's no need to pray a prayer of something you are not willing to be an answer to.
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And Glenn Shepard's been an answer to prayer and his own prayers.
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And I trust as you pray for revival, you will, with humility,
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step out in radical obedience and be an answer to your own prayers.
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If you enjoy this podcast, might I just suggest that you subscribe to it if you haven't already?
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we do all with the purpose of accelerating.
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Music.