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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, May 25 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sulims, John Oshan,
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Speaker 1: Brian sex Sex, Jacks Drive and starts right now. It's hard.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to put it into word, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: put it into a phrase. But man, I wouldn't want
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Speaker 1: to miss it. If I'm anybody watching, I wouldn't want
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Speaker 1: to miss this team and whatever game we have to
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Speaker 1: play and whoever later, I want to be there. You
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Speaker 1: want to see it because it's gonna be something great.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have some greatness, We're gonna make some greatness,
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Speaker 1: and I'm excited before so I hope everybody see it.
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Speaker 1: A week of nearly perfect attendance at team field work
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Speaker 1: last week as we get ready for the start of
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Speaker 1: O T A S this week. They were on the
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Speaker 1: field yesterday and we will be on the field Thursday,
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Speaker 1: bringing you all kinds of thoughts and opinions. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time Tuesday, brought to you by Jet Home
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Speaker 1: Loans for You, with Brian Sexton and John Osier. It's
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Speaker 1: a very exciting week and I have to share a
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Speaker 1: funny story. Normally I wouldn't say that I talked Jags
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Speaker 1: at church, but I was at church Sunday morning at
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Speaker 1: the church, and the gospel was about humility and they
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Speaker 1: were on stage and they were saying, now we have
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Speaker 1: to practice humility because when the Jaguars make the Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl this year, we have to be humble. And a
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Speaker 1: huge Duval was in church. I never thought this would happen.
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Speaker 1: It's a big change, because you want started to have
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Speaker 1: about the Jags in church. The last four or five
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Speaker 1: years has been prayer. I was thinking you might have
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Speaker 1: heard Tebow in church. No, I did not. It was
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Speaker 1: all big picture. It's so many stories like that if
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Speaker 1: people just fired up about it, and that's what it's
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Speaker 1: supposed to be about. It was supposed to be fun. Well,
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Speaker 1: just real quick going back to you know, when it
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Speaker 1: is fun like this in I took my Boy Scout
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Speaker 1: troop and we went to camp up in North Carolina
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Speaker 1: and there were a couple of other troops from North
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Speaker 1: Florida and when they introduced our troop, everyone yelled Duval. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can get back to that really quickly.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter whether it's church or Boy Scout or
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Speaker 1: just you know, at publish walking through the aisle. When
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Speaker 1: you have a team that excites people, for whatever reason,
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Speaker 1: people will stop you and say, John, what are they
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Speaker 1: doing a lot? Right? Are they going to win this week? Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: it happens. It's good for Jacksonville. When it is that way,
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Speaker 1: the energy levels infectious, lots of excitement around the area
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Speaker 1: and here in the building as there are a ton
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Speaker 1: of players here for O t S. And we're getting
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Speaker 1: started with that as we head in two big things.
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Speaker 1: Big thing one is the story, at least what everyone
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Speaker 1: thinks is the story. Is everything related to tight end
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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow. All kinds of questions about this and how
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Speaker 1: it's gonna work, But in reality, we're viewing this as
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Speaker 1: another man on the roster, normally a guy frankly we
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Speaker 1: wouldn't talk a lot about with his position, which is
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Speaker 1: the second, third, fourth tight end on the roster. He
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Speaker 1: normally doesn't make headlines. And that's the way we're looking
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Speaker 1: at this. So now let's go to a big thing too,
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Speaker 1: which is the real story. With all of this going on,
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Speaker 1: we have forgotten the real story, which is Trevor Lawrence
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Speaker 1: is the quarterback of this team. It's it's certain, we've
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Speaker 1: seen it on the field, and at times we just
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Speaker 1: kind of really glaze over and I'm not really sure
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Speaker 1: why it makes you feel better about everything when you
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Speaker 1: say you have a fight with your wife and you say, well,
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is the quarterback of Jacksonville and that kind
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Speaker 1: of makes you feel a little bit better. We both
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Speaker 1: probably need to try that. I'm just saying it, and
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Speaker 1: it could make you feel better. Finally, Big Thing three
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Speaker 1: is the mere effects. Call it perfect attendance, call it
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Speaker 1: players flying around the field being excited for an off
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Speaker 1: season program, or maybe call it that we're seeing these
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Speaker 1: advancements in the sports performance system and it's individualized to
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Speaker 1: each and every player, and they're fired up about that.
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Speaker 1: But I'm a I'm a big guy and in the
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Speaker 1: visually like I have a lot of individual things going on.
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Speaker 1: So he um he basically you know, um get what
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Speaker 1: you want on one if not one on one, um
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Speaker 1: he talks to you trying to understand what what can
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Speaker 1: you do and what can't you do? Or was hurting you?
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Speaker 1: I was not hurting in the way I go. They're
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Speaker 1: going to try to, you know, help you out and
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Speaker 1: do what's best to you. Near the differences we're noticing
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Speaker 1: with bad guys and Big Things three is, for example,
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Speaker 1: of ascussion. All and DJ Chart both have put on
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Speaker 1: over ten pounds. We were told in Bulking Up and
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Speaker 1: we were walking with watching practice at the beginning of it.
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Speaker 1: And it's cool that there's a sports performance specialists with
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Speaker 1: each and every unit group and everything is tailored to
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Speaker 1: that position group. Gone are the days of the big
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Speaker 1: group and one guy. It is so individualized and you're
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Speaker 1: seeing that with the wider wide receivers. Yeah, and it's UH,
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Speaker 1: it's clearly a major party of Urban Meyers. He believes
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Speaker 1: this is something I don't wanna say that's lacking everywhere else,
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Speaker 1: but he believes this is an area where they can
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Speaker 1: be the best and be the best immediately. He said
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Speaker 1: it over and over again. Brian players he has talked
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Speaker 1: to that he coached. UH, I feel like overall that's
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Speaker 1: not as good in the league as it could be.
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Speaker 1: An urbans trying to remedy that and the other side,
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Speaker 1: the other side of the wine, you're talking about guys
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Speaker 1: getting bigger and stronger. The other side of the coin
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Speaker 1: is what they do after practice, after a workout session.
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Speaker 1: There's some construction going on down the hallway. They're working
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Speaker 1: on more physical therapy. UH facilities so these guys not
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Speaker 1: only can prepare, but then they can rehab and be
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Speaker 1: ready for the next practice session, which of course makes
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Speaker 1: a team better. I mean, if you just you just
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Speaker 1: spin your head around here, there's something going on at
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Speaker 1: all times, and and most of it is focused on
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Speaker 1: that side of the hallway and making sure that it's
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Speaker 1: ready to go. Can going back to the top real quick. Um,
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Speaker 1: I haven't understood the outrage about the tebow thing. I
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Speaker 1: just want to say this. I mean I was, I
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Speaker 1: was at a wine tasting on Sunday night and people
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Speaker 1: want to start talking about the Jags, and I turned
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Speaker 1: the conversation to Trevor Lawrence and uh, I mean, the
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Speaker 1: team tebow Mania had to be satisfied, and that's what's
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Speaker 1: happening right now. And they knew it. They knew it
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Speaker 1: was coming. I mean, nobody knows that the phenomenon more
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Speaker 1: than Urban Meyer. So you know they're trying to control it.
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Speaker 1: It's really hard to control it. I did see a
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Speaker 1: story with Trey Burton, his former teammate UM last night,
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Speaker 1: and Trey, I think is in Indianapolis now, and he said,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand the outrage when more players say, hey,
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Speaker 1: look if he gets an opportunity. Good for him to
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Speaker 1: get the opportunity. I scratched my head because we were
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Speaker 1: celebrating um uh Phil Mickelson being the oldest man to
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Speaker 1: ever win a major the other day. Well, he kept playing,
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Speaker 1: he kept working great, we celebrated his age. Now we're
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Speaker 1: saying I was too old. Ye, I mean, he's he's
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Speaker 1: got a roster spot. It's one of nine, d John
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Speaker 1: the roster. The bottom of the roster changes all the time.
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Speaker 1: You know, those guys that are anywhere from five to nine,
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Speaker 1: he generally aren't even factor. You're gonna do the practice squad,
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Speaker 1: So it doesn't hurt anyone else for him to have
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Speaker 1: an opportunity. I just don't understand the outrage. Let's see
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Speaker 1: what he does, you know, and you know when you're
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Speaker 1: gonna see a celebration when he wins the m v
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Speaker 1: P at a celebration, uh and people walking up the
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Speaker 1: field behind him. Est. But right now you're in this
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Speaker 1: phase where every I mean, I guess everything is always
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Speaker 1: extreme with Tebow. But you saw stories yesterday people talking
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Speaker 1: to NFL insiders that he won't make the team, and
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Speaker 1: people talking insiders that he's only got an x percent chance. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's just for clicks. I don't know where those inside
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Speaker 1: because only when there's only one inside of that matters
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Speaker 1: in this and he's down the hallway. So I think
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Speaker 1: it's somewhere in between there. I think he has a
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Speaker 1: decent chance of making the team. I don't think it's
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Speaker 1: a publicity stunt. You see that all the time. It's
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Speaker 1: the publicity stunt. Well, and what I mean it's not
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Speaker 1: necessarily great publicity, So why would you do it as
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Speaker 1: a as a publicity stunt. It's good for some people,
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Speaker 1: it's not great for other urban Meyer above anything else.
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Speaker 1: And you guys been around him a little bit, what
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Speaker 1: does he want to do more anything else? When So, yes,
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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow would not be here without urban Meyer. But
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Speaker 1: the reason urban Meyer has him here is he believes
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Speaker 1: he can help him win. It's not to sell jerseys,
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Speaker 1: it's not to generate publicity, it's not you know, it's
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Speaker 1: because he can. It's because he believes he can help
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Speaker 1: him win. We'll see how that goes. If they were
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Speaker 1: going to do all of that just for publicity's sake,
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Speaker 1: they would have done it in March, right before they
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Speaker 1: drafted Trevor. They would have done it in March, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, brings us to the real story, which
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Speaker 1: is Trevor and and here's the publicity angle. That's that's
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Speaker 1: unbelievably stupid. Unbelievably stupid. If it was about publicity, you
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Speaker 1: know what they would have done, let him talk it,
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Speaker 1: had a press conference the first day, photographers like he
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Speaker 1: had been about publicity, they'd had a Brinks truck pulling up,
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Speaker 1: and he'd have been Yeah. But they could have made
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Speaker 1: it about publicity had they wanted to. Didn't. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: so it we're probably not going to hear from him
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Speaker 1: or about him, you know, from that side of the hallway.
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Speaker 1: So the fact is that that he brings this with him.
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Speaker 1: They knew it was coming. Now it's time to focus
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Speaker 1: on the story, which is building this offense around this
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Speaker 1: quarterback who we're just starting. You know, we'll see him
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Speaker 1: on Thursday, and we're not gonna see a lot until
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Speaker 1: we get to training camp. But let's go back to
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Speaker 1: the fact that this is the franchise quarterback, and I
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Speaker 1: can tell you having been here since they've never had
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Speaker 1: one like this. Let's get our focus back on where
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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be and that's him, because this is
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Speaker 1: the guy that's going to take this team where it
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Speaker 1: wants to go. Absolutely, he is the real story. But
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Speaker 1: we know that theoman it must be satisfied. Yes, yes
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Speaker 1: it does. All right, well we just did that on
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Speaker 1: We're back Jack's Drive time. It's Tuesday, it's ot a
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Speaker 1: week and we are just starting to get to know
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Speaker 1: this new coaching staff. I will admit, we go out there,
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Speaker 1: I need a roster because it is a lot of
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Speaker 1: new guys and way bigger of a coaching staff than
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Speaker 1: what we're used to. So we're gonna do. He will,
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Speaker 1: he won't, He might coaching staff style Brian Sexton we
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Speaker 1: were just talking about. Yeah, well I figured, you know,
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Speaker 1: might as well just jump right into the lake, the
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Speaker 1: lake of fire here and it's tight end coach Tyler Bowen,
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Speaker 1: and he will have his work cut out for him
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Speaker 1: because the Jaguars have a lot of pieces, but they
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Speaker 1: don't have the pieces. I mean, there's not that star
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Speaker 1: tight end here. So he will be busy awsommer long
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the guys other than Chris
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Speaker 1: man Hurts, who we know is a hand in the ground,
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Speaker 1: you know, push the running game forward guy. Other than that,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to try to figure out how to
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Speaker 1: make it work with a group of guys that you know,
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Speaker 1: aren't frontline guys. Uh. So he will have his handsful. Uh.
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Speaker 1: He won't be faced by the Tim Tebow thing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's from what I understand of him, and I don't
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Speaker 1: know him. Uh, he is a guy who is a
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Speaker 1: really good football coach. He'll figure out what a role
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Speaker 1: is for Tim. He probably already has, and he'll just
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Speaker 1: he'll work it. He's not going to let the cameras
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Speaker 1: on him and any of that stuff change the way
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Speaker 1: that he coaches. And he might he might have a
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Speaker 1: player in Luke Farrell. I'm not saying that Farrell is
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Speaker 1: going to be a you know, a number one tight end,
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Speaker 1: but I keep hearing from people who have been out
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Speaker 1: there that Farrell is the guy who's impressed a little
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Speaker 1: bit more than people thought he would. He understands what
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Speaker 1: coach Meyer is after, and he might he might be
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Speaker 1: more of a contributor than people think. I like it
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Speaker 1: all right, tight end position getting figured out? John, What
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Speaker 1: are we thinking? Well, I'm with Brian Schottenheimer passing game coordinator,
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Speaker 1: and he will of course be more than that. He'll
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Speaker 1: be working closely with the quarterback, so uh, he'll be
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Speaker 1: very important on that front to the development of Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence and deciding how the rest of the room plays out. Um,
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Speaker 1: he won't be overwhelmed by having a rookie quarterback. He
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Speaker 1: uh and Grabody watches the show knows he worked with
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Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez uh with the Jets and got a lot
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Speaker 1: of out, got a lot out of a young quarterback
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Speaker 1: and knows how to bring that along. Solet I think
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Speaker 1: that's a key with both him and Darryl Bevil, the
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Speaker 1: ability to um, know what to get out of a
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Speaker 1: guy early before he's fully developed as a player. And uh,
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Speaker 1: he might have the coolest job in the building. And
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, there's only a few chances and
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Speaker 1: many many quarterback passing game offensive groups. And Brian Schotteimer
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Speaker 1: is more than a quarterback coach. He's more than a
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Speaker 1: passing game coordinator. I expect he will be an offensive
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Speaker 1: quarter coordinator again in the league someday soon. But there's
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Speaker 1: only so many opportunities you get with this. They were
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Speaker 1: showing on camer now and this is Trevor Lawrence. You know,
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Speaker 1: you can work years in the league and not get
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Speaker 1: a a rookie stallion like this in his first go round.
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Speaker 1: So this is an opportunity of lifetime for Roan Schottenheimer
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Speaker 1: as well. True story. I watched him. I don't anything
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Speaker 1: in Kansas City when he was in Blue Valley High
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Speaker 1: School and when he started at Kansas and then transferred
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Speaker 1: wisely to Florida. But the word on him always was
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Speaker 1: understands the game, understands the game understanding. Why wouldn't he
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Speaker 1: His father was one of the great coaches in the
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Speaker 1: eighties and nineties. Uh, he has a legacy behind him,
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Speaker 1: not just the players he's worked with, but his father.
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Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see what he does here too. Guy
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Speaker 1: that is very hands on with quarterbacks and quarterback Trevor Lawrence.
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Speaker 1: I'm going defense and I'm going defensive line. Coach Tasha Loupoy,
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Speaker 1: who had been very impressed with at the limited practices
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Speaker 1: that we have watched. This man will bring the heat.
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Speaker 1: He was throwing things in excitements, he was yelling hydrate
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Speaker 1: all the time, couldn't stop. This is a very hands
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Speaker 1: on coach that you can tell us incredibly excited to
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Speaker 1: be there, and he won't tell you what type of
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Speaker 1: defense that he's going to run and going to prioritize.
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Speaker 1: He was talking to John a couple of months ago
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Speaker 1: in an article and it wasn't about prioritizing um stopping
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Speaker 1: the run or rushing the passer. It was about studying
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Speaker 1: the film and he is a film group. That's what
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Speaker 1: he believes in, so he's not going to prioritize one
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Speaker 1: thing or the other. And he might have a guy
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Speaker 1: with a lot of potential. I saw him coaching up
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Speaker 1: more so than ever Jordan's Smith. This is a guy
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Speaker 1: that every single drill that he was running, he was
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Speaker 1: having a conversation with Jordan's Smith. So I think there's
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Speaker 1: definitely some potential there with that guys. So all in all,
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Speaker 1: trying to get to know this coaching staff guys, it's
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Speaker 1: it's been a little different. We're getting there, but it
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Speaker 1: is guys that you can tell are very qualified and
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Speaker 1: excited to be there. This is a fired up group.
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Speaker 1: Like John was talking about in the Reporters podcast. You
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Speaker 1: get to know these guys on the airplane, right, You
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Speaker 1: get to know him walking in the hallway or having
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Speaker 1: lunch with him, and we haven't been able to do that.
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Speaker 1: Um didn't get to do it last year and haven't
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Speaker 1: been able to do it yet this year. To find
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Speaker 1: out the story with these guys, what really makes them tick.
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Speaker 1: You don't do it with a camera on or even
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Speaker 1: a OPAC open. You know, you do it with a
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Speaker 1: drink in front of you and you sit and talk
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Speaker 1: at breakfast. Yeah, either way, that's what I miss most
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Speaker 1: all right. When we come back, go and pick one
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Speaker 1: and pick itt NFL headlines. There are a lot of
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Speaker 1: them this week, especially after yesterday, so we will touch
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19:40
Speaker 1: many storylines in the NFL, and a lot of them
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Speaker 1: revolve around quarterbacks, So we're gonna go with you first.
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers will be hosting Jeopardy next season. Well, no,
19:49
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, are you? Yeah? I kind of think maybe
19:55
Speaker 1: here's the problem. They have a huge that the packers
19:59
Speaker 1: have a huge issue. They have just a few million
20:01
Speaker 1: dollars in cap room, and he has a thirty eight
20:04
Speaker 1: million dollar dead cap hit. I was really kidding about this.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know you're gonna make a screen in this.
20:09
Speaker 1: I think they're going to do something with his contract
20:11
Speaker 1: and give him a long term um contract extension and
20:16
Speaker 1: push him out. He is an m v P caliber
20:19
Speaker 1: candidate at age thirty seven, still playing well. You can't
20:22
Speaker 1: afford to let him walk. There are a few teams
20:24
Speaker 1: that have the ability to trade for him. Uh, Denver
20:27
Speaker 1: and Washington come to mind. They've got some cap room
20:29
Speaker 1: and they don't have an established quarterback that they can
20:31
Speaker 1: lean on Um. But I don't don't sense anything from
20:35
Speaker 1: Green Bay wanting to trade him. I think they'll end
20:37
Speaker 1: up giving him a contract, and who knows what it
20:40
Speaker 1: means for their first round pick. It's Brian Guten kissed
20:43
Speaker 1: the general manager, basically saying, I screwed that one up. Yeah. Yeah,
20:48
Speaker 1: I think the Jeopardy thing is interesting though, because he
20:50
Speaker 1: could make as much money coasting Jeopardy as he wants. Yeah.
20:53
Speaker 1: I don't know if he saw. He was on Sports
20:55
Speaker 1: Center last night and he said it wasn't as necessarily
20:57
Speaker 1: the problem that they drafted Jordan's love. He said that
21:00
Speaker 1: communication in the building, it's not good. They don't drink people, right.
21:04
Speaker 1: He said this live on Sports Center, So I see it.
21:07
Speaker 1: I I get that you can't let that guy go,
21:09
Speaker 1: but it seems like there are so many issues and
21:12
Speaker 1: he's being so public about them. It makes me worried. Well,
21:15
Speaker 1: he's got jeopard in his back pocket. Yeah, he's got
21:17
Speaker 1: some loverage there. If I'm the Packers, if I was
21:20
Speaker 1: the Jaguars two or three years ago, you're playing for us,
21:24
Speaker 1: You're not playing at some point. I mean, and I
21:26
Speaker 1: know it sounds like to get off my long guy,
21:29
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm out of touch, but at some point,
21:33
Speaker 1: if these guys want to play football, you play for
21:36
Speaker 1: the team you signed with. And when I say that,
21:39
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily talking about the guys on rookie deals.
21:42
Speaker 1: But when quarterbacks, especially signed these long term deals with
21:47
Speaker 1: the team they are, they build the salary cap around
21:51
Speaker 1: that player, and it's done with the knowledge. Once they
21:55
Speaker 1: get to the age where they're signing second contracts and
21:58
Speaker 1: third contracts. At Aaron sign they know what the ramifications are.
22:02
Speaker 1: They understand the kind of They've been around enough. So um,
22:06
Speaker 1: I think he's playing for the Packers next year. I
22:08
Speaker 1: do agree with Brian. I think they stand the contract.
22:11
Speaker 1: If I'm the Packers, I say, there's your as the contract.
22:15
Speaker 1: Keep in mind that they don't have an owner, right,
22:17
Speaker 1: they don't have one person that says that, like you
22:20
Speaker 1: did right, you're playing here, You're not playing the general
22:23
Speaker 1: manager and they have. You know, it's it's a different
22:25
Speaker 1: set up there than it is anywhere else in national football,
22:28
Speaker 1: and not all franchise because dude, I could do what
22:30
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, but the Packers could be what the
22:33
Speaker 1: Steelers would be in the situation, the Steels would say
22:35
Speaker 1: that y. The bigger issue is now you have a
22:38
Speaker 1: bunch of quarterbacks that are that are playing these cards
22:41
Speaker 1: and and they want, you know, Russell Wilson, they want
22:43
Speaker 1: more of a say Russell Wilson in particular, once more
22:46
Speaker 1: of a say in personnelity. Well, no, no, you play,
22:49
Speaker 1: we pay right. You can't have the players in there
22:53
Speaker 1: because they're not taking the time. They're not scouting, they're
22:55
Speaker 1: not watching the tape on these kids. They're not trained
22:58
Speaker 1: to be. And then they play the game, but then
23:00
Speaker 1: trained to make scouting decisions. Coaches coach, scout, scouts, players play.
23:05
Speaker 1: It's a sticky situation. It's going to be interesting. Speaking
23:07
Speaker 1: of sticky situations, this is a different thing with quarterbacks
23:12
Speaker 1: and that is Deshaun Watson. Yeah, that's mine, Deshaun Watson
23:15
Speaker 1: will be I have no idea in Week one. I mean,
23:19
Speaker 1: that's not an answer. I don't know the answer. Watching
23:24
Speaker 1: My thought is you're right, Brian, with two and a
23:27
Speaker 1: half months out, I guess it is, and he'll be
23:29
Speaker 1: watching what. Yeah, this is the most muddled because there's
23:33
Speaker 1: all the off the field stuff as well. Um, and
23:36
Speaker 1: this is different than Aaron because right now you're assuming
23:41
Speaker 1: the Texans want him, but with the off the field
23:44
Speaker 1: are you assuming the Texans one? And you're assuming that
23:46
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson wants out? But with the off the field
23:49
Speaker 1: does even have a chance to be out. So this
23:50
Speaker 1: is much more modeled. I think this one takes a
23:53
Speaker 1: long a long time to play out, and I don't
23:55
Speaker 1: know that he's playing for the Texans in Week one.
23:57
Speaker 1: I think the Texans want him so that they can
23:59
Speaker 1: trade him. I mean that's the other The crazy part
24:01
Speaker 1: is is that the story broke about all of the
24:04
Speaker 1: massage therapists. This was the year to trade him, where
24:08
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks were in the top ten and they didn't
24:09
Speaker 1: have any picks. I mean, the opportunity that they had
24:13
Speaker 1: to be able to move on from a player that
24:16
Speaker 1: didn't want to be there and replace him with the
24:18
Speaker 1: player that did, and then grab aig whole of pigs
24:21
Speaker 1: for right for Shawn Watson, one of the premier players
24:24
Speaker 1: that windows closed. Now his trade value is well, it
24:28
Speaker 1: depends on the outcome of all these cases. I mean
24:30
Speaker 1: the Texans lost three times in the scenario and and
24:35
Speaker 1: not knowing what they got in the fall maybe four. Yeah,
24:38
Speaker 1: and you got to think the trade value. You can't
24:40
Speaker 1: do it right now because what team is going to
24:41
Speaker 1: bring that on and bringing that story. You're gonna have
24:43
Speaker 1: to wait a little bit of a different situation for
24:47
Speaker 1: to Shawn anyway, because he's not quite the Aaron Rodgers level,
24:53
Speaker 1: meaning even if you pay him or trade him, you
24:56
Speaker 1: don't quite know what you're getting the way you do
24:58
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. I mean, And the reason I say
25:01
Speaker 1: that just Shaun Watson was elite last year and they
25:05
Speaker 1: were four and twelve. I don't know that. And Aaron
25:08
Speaker 1: Rodgers team or a Russell Wilson team, necessarily if they're
25:12
Speaker 1: playing at an elite level, if they sink that low.
25:14
Speaker 1: So is Deshaun quite at that level? I don't know
25:18
Speaker 1: if he has yet. And that brings another element, how
25:21
Speaker 1: bad do you want them if you're trading for I mean,
25:24
Speaker 1: this is his complex. The one is that as I've
25:27
Speaker 1: ever seen on that front, with a lot of threads
25:30
Speaker 1: and no real answers. And I totally agree with you.
25:32
Speaker 1: You're you're paying for the promise on that these twenty
25:34
Speaker 1: six I mean coming into the prime years of his career,
25:36
Speaker 1: whereas Aaron Rodgers is exiting. But Rodgers is exiting with
25:39
Speaker 1: m v p s and Super Bowls and that it's
25:41
Speaker 1: a very complex issue. Here's the thing. The Texans two
25:44
Speaker 1: years ago look like a jugger. Not right. I mean,
25:47
Speaker 1: Houston's a market with a lot of money. They've got
25:49
Speaker 1: a great stadium set up there, they sell a lot
25:51
Speaker 1: of tickets. It looked like they were going to just
25:53
Speaker 1: become a force. And now it looks like they're about
25:56
Speaker 1: to become you choose, not forced, not force, not a
26:01
Speaker 1: very strong force. All right, here we go. Now we're
26:04
Speaker 1: going wide receiver. Yesterday on Undisturbed, Shannon Sharp called Julio
26:09
Speaker 1: Jones live on television and ask him are you playing
26:12
Speaker 1: in Atlanta next year? And he goes, no, I'm out
26:15
Speaker 1: of their duh. It was quite a moment. I'm not
26:18
Speaker 1: sure if he knew he was live on television, but
26:20
Speaker 1: nonetheless says he's not playing in Atlanta, So where will
26:23
Speaker 1: he be playing next season? I say, he's playing in
26:26
Speaker 1: Las Vegas for the Raiders. Wouldn't this be flashy and
26:29
Speaker 1: the NFL would be all over this? Now. Brent and
26:33
Speaker 1: I were looking at the cap yesterday and they're gonna
26:35
Speaker 1: have to make this work. They're gonna have to move
26:36
Speaker 1: some stuff around because, Yeah, but they've got a real
26:38
Speaker 1: good spot. They can do it. Uh. Derek Carr, their quarterback,
26:41
Speaker 1: has expired his dead money, so he's got a twenty
26:43
Speaker 1: or twenty six million dollar cap hit, but it's almost
26:46
Speaker 1: all paragraph five salary, meaning they can pull some of
26:48
Speaker 1: that out renegotiate without giving him extra years on the contract.
26:53
Speaker 1: They can maneuver that and find a way to take
26:56
Speaker 1: money and give it to Julio Jones. But they got
26:58
Speaker 1: to give up something big for him to yep, And
27:01
Speaker 1: I think Derek Carr would be just fine with renegotiating
27:03
Speaker 1: that contract if it means he gets a weapon like
27:06
Speaker 1: Julio Jones. And the Raiders aren't exactly in the mix
27:09
Speaker 1: of all these teams you're hearing about, but I just
27:11
Speaker 1: see this being a slam dunk trade and I'm really
27:15
Speaker 1: curious to see where he goes. And if you're Atlanta,
27:17
Speaker 1: how do you fix this? The guy says he wants
27:19
Speaker 1: to win and he doesn't feel like he can win
27:21
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. If you're the Falcons, do you give him up?
27:25
Speaker 1: You know, well, they have your contract, you want to win.
27:29
Speaker 1: Here you go. He has sixty five or sixty six
27:33
Speaker 1: million dollars in dead money, which again that dead money
27:36
Speaker 1: accelerates onto the cap. Now it'll be after after June one,
27:39
Speaker 1: so you can pro rate that over two years. But
27:41
Speaker 1: it's a significant hit for the Falcons to be able
27:44
Speaker 1: to say. Plus, if you're Matt Ryan, you just got
27:46
Speaker 1: this kind of Pitt's kid. Right. By the way, they
27:49
Speaker 1: have to do something with Julio because they don't have
27:50
Speaker 1: any money to sign their rookie class, right They need
27:52
Speaker 1: eight or ten million bucks to be able to sign
27:54
Speaker 1: these guys. So they've got to find a way because
27:56
Speaker 1: he's a huge number. He's thirty two, and he's been
27:59
Speaker 1: injury prone the last two seasons. So it's a big
28:02
Speaker 1: decision on their part. Do they keep him and and
28:04
Speaker 1: push money out or do they move on from him
28:07
Speaker 1: and like Kyle, Pitt's become the star. Yeah, the biggest
28:10
Speaker 1: thing I'm trying to think of this and I was
28:12
Speaker 1: thinking of this last night, I'm like, where, what's the solution?
28:15
Speaker 1: What's the band aid for this? Of all these players
28:17
Speaker 1: that you're seeing, this Trent bigger than ever this season
28:20
Speaker 1: of wanting out of their team and wanting to move.
28:23
Speaker 1: And I don't know, but it's not that easy. Rip
28:26
Speaker 1: the band aid off, deal with it. Well, you know
28:29
Speaker 1: at some point, well, John's right, at some point you
28:32
Speaker 1: have to stop this because players signed contracts. In general,
28:35
Speaker 1: managers and coaches scout and build their team around a
28:39
Speaker 1: couple of key players. I mean, this isn't a backup
28:41
Speaker 1: right tackle that's demanding. This is a star quarterback, the
28:44
Speaker 1: face of the franchise in Green Bay, in Houston, in Seattle,
28:49
Speaker 1: it's Julio Jones, who has been one of the faces
28:51
Speaker 1: of the franchise. You can't just be what you want
28:54
Speaker 1: out now. Remember the contract and the bonus money, Remember
28:57
Speaker 1: the look in your eye when you got the big check,
28:59
Speaker 1: and in the things that we said in that room
29:01
Speaker 1: privately about you know, winning together because they do well.
29:05
Speaker 1: At some point you just have to go we all
29:07
Speaker 1: did this together. We agree, and that's the thing people miss.
29:09
Speaker 1: Everybody says, well, uh, the league has the right to
29:13
Speaker 1: cut players, so why shouldn't players have the right to negotiation.
29:17
Speaker 1: The promise for players guarantee is the cash upfront and
29:22
Speaker 1: the guaranteed money. Every player or every agent who signs
29:25
Speaker 1: these contracts understands that I think the other solution to
29:29
Speaker 1: that part and this is a way verier conversation. Okay,
29:31
Speaker 1: then change the way contracts are done in the NFL.
29:34
Speaker 1: Change the entire cb A to where that's easy to understand.
29:37
Speaker 1: But as of right now, when these teams sign these
29:41
Speaker 1: guys two deals they do so, especially the mega deals,
29:45
Speaker 1: that's what they're building their cap around. So I'd be
29:48
Speaker 1: able to walk away from it. It doesn't work for
29:51
Speaker 1: you know, for anybody, but they have the right to
29:55
Speaker 1: do this. So just to extrap real quickly on that,
29:58
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are in a pre me in position with
30:00
Speaker 1: a young quarterback that we think is going to be
30:02
Speaker 1: excellent for the next three years. Their cap is going
30:05
Speaker 1: to be clean, but they're going to be planning signing contracts.
30:08
Speaker 1: Got Josh Allen comes right to mind. They're going to
30:11
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30:12
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30:14
Speaker 1: couple of years as possible. Because they're planning on when
30:17
Speaker 1: Trevor is going to go from being uh twelve or
30:21
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30:23
Speaker 1: the fifty million dollar quarterback is coming and it's going
30:25
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30:28
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30:30
Speaker 1: the time and money into that, you can't have someone
30:32
Speaker 1: go you And I just decided don't like it here.
30:34
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like the coach, or I don't
30:35
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30:38
Speaker 1: I went out, No, you can't do that. You can't.
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30:44
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30:47
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30:50
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