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Scouting the Fins-2-5-26 · 3 Yards Per Carry - Miami Dolphins

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[SPEAKER_04]: What's up everybody?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to another episode of Scouting the Fins right here on the 3rd Precary podcast feed, also part of the five reasons sports network.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a great to you back here with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a fun time either the year that we're
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[SPEAKER_01]: entering into, especially for the dolphins this year, not expecting them to be overly active in the free agent period, so probably lots of draft talk that we'll be doing on the channel here, and that kind of kind of starts today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll say to dive into some of that with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, it's the annual Miami Dolphins draft hype train beginning today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the draft has kind of been for it's 20 years really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we've had to look forward to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so here's hoping that, uh, Sully and company start a new era.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This draft night up coming, uh, that'll actually, that'll spring some success for the next three to five years for the dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're going to be starting our draft series in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll be talking about the 2026 edge class and what players actually fit inside Jeff Halfleys defense and the big thing is is that the way
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[SPEAKER_04]: I did my research and the way we'll be talking about it tonight is more so on the weaknesses of the dolphins edge pressures had last season and what they need in Jeff Hathley's defense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's more so about edge pressures that can control the pocket without help.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That can also work on stunts and twist the ones who can win one on one and third down matchups.
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[SPEAKER_04]: These are going to be edge rushers that can replace, you know, that chaos with more so control that can actually win on those true past sets on those first, second and third downs when passing without exposing the coverage underneath on the back end and actually trying to get
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[SPEAKER_04]: these edge rushes that we talk that we'll be talking about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The main thing we have to look for is that these edge rushers, however good they are, they have to dictate the protection instead of reacting to what is shown to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, anytime that we're talking about edge defenders, right, the where they're going to make their money, is their ability to get after the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: all of the elite defenses in the NFL have got those guys that can win those one-on-one past rush scenarios, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about the true past sets from an offensive line perspective, but that's where you got to find the guys that when they pin their ears back can win their one-on-one matchups and like you said to some can create chaos in the backfield.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you constantly have to
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[SPEAKER_01]: manipulate the defense in order to get that, you know, with your, your sim pressures and your stunts, your twist, all of that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You always leave something open on the back end of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, some of the dolphins lacked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: have lacks for a while now really is a group of guys that can do that consistently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we talk about the edge defenders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's always going to be a big part of the conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There will obviously be some other role-state players in there as well that may not rush the pastor as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it comes to, you know, we're talking about dolphins having what four or five picks in the top 100 this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be able to find
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, edge guys, the, you know, set the edge against the run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be guys that can win one of one matchups.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I mean, listen, you've got to be looking for players that are that are complete along the edge, particularly in a scheme where, you know, you're not two-gapping, so it's going to be a lot more attack versus reading react along the defensive line, which I think plays into a lot of the
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, along the defensive line, but when it comes to rushing the passers, you know, you've got to earn that right to get into those true past sets, forcing all fences into third long situations, where you can pin your ears back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that's where, you know, prioritizing guys that, and I'm sure we're going to get into this, you know, Jeff Haffley last year played primarily a traditional foreman front.
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[SPEAKER_03]: in Green Bay, and so having guys that are positionally versatile to wear, you know, maybe on first and second down they are more of that kind of edged setting defensive end, but have the past rust trops to move inside in a, you know, kind of like a NASCAR package on those on those third downs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think when you're what you're really looking for is
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you guys mentioned, the theme of controlling the line of scrimmage and making sure that no matter what happens, whether it's being run at your containing that, you know, and then in your past Russets, you're in control, you're not over pursuing the quarterback and breaking things down that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're very much containing the offense to do what you wanted to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: for this edge rush group and for what, you know, John Ayrick Sullivan and Jeff Hathley look forward.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's going to be archetypes that fit the bill and that don't fit the bill.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's more so of the same philosophy that John Ayrick Sullivan brings from the Green Bay Packers and Brian Goon Quiz.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So where these players line up, in this point, it's extraft class, is just as important as what their skill set is and how they win.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because the thing with how Brian Goonquist, John Eric Sullivan and the Green Bay Packers Organization,
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[SPEAKER_04]: drafted, it's based on baseline averages, athletic testing, and if they can fit this scheme.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we'll go ahead and talk about the baseline testing and basically what Jeff Hathley and John Eric Sullivan are looking at physically in terms of the edge rushers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So in terms of height,
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[SPEAKER_04]: six, two and a half to six for no less than six, two and a half as that gets into a variety of issues in terms of height and arm length and that especially kills the aspect of setting the edge and you know, using that length to maneuver and power over offensive tackles.
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[SPEAKER_04]: for weight, there's an average of 275 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we're looking at maybe 265 to 270 and then in the offseason these guys do bulk up put in extra 5 to 10 pounds with the NFL's offseason conditioning program.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Arm length is around 34 inches, around a 4.634 yard, dash, 1.6110 yard split.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the big thing will be the shuttle time, which is a 4.35 average and the three cone drill, which is a 7.25 inches.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So these guys have to be highly, highly athletic, like just think about, you know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: freaks at just athletic marbles and athletic freaks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Jeff Hathley really prefers to have his edge rushers be very powerful and turn that power into speed instead of speed to power.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They need to have that arm length and mass to compress the pocket and really put pressure on those offensive tackles where they lose their footing and they're just getting worked back into the quarterback
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[SPEAKER_01]: All those measurements that you talk about there really lean like Eric said into that four three defensive end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get away when you're in a three four defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got those stand up defense events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get away with guys that are a little, you know, smaller and stature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you're a four three defensive end hand in the dirt, you have got to be able to
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[SPEAKER_01]: to set the edge in the run game, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be able to a tight end cannot block you, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're playing a 4-3 defense and your defense events are getting blocked by tight ends, then you're gonna fail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that can't, that can't come at a complete cost of losing that past rush ability, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you are strong enough to hold up
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the run game is a four or three defensive end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're probably going to be able to push the pocket a little bit there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, you know, you get into the part that you were talking there to sound with that short shuttle, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that ability to change direction in that, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's your, you know, either you're exploding around the edge or dipping around the edge to pursue the quarterback or you're starting to get up field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're changing direction to not running yourself
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[SPEAKER_01]: around the hoop and given those escape lanes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you're talking about the the bigger defense events in the stature, but not giving up that athletic ability to both pressure the quarterback, but also contain him as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So Eric will go ahead and take a look at the very first archetype and that's going to be the pocket compressor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So these are primarily guys who are there on first and second down and even third down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: These are, you know, three down pass rushers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're the anchors on the defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They collapse the pocket.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're able to use their physicality and turn it to speed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: to get a good get off and keep the safety's in cornerbacks a little bit deep.
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[SPEAKER_04]: More so the safety's deep and the cornerbacks a little bit around the 4 to 7 yard range where they're able to work with the wide receivers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: These guys are usually a 5 tech or a 7 tech as well, sometimes a wide 9 4 3 defense event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I guess we can get right into it, you know, at this point, but when you're talking about those guys, usually the three down ends, ad russures are gonna be the top of the class guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, obviously I think we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Ruben Bane at the top of the board.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think,
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[SPEAKER_03]: little bit of debate at the top, but I think in most cases he's universally the number one guy at the edge.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When I watch Rubenbane and I saw a lot of them and you know there's some adressures that it's almost like he plays adressure like a boxer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see Rubenbane and he does have
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[SPEAKER_03]: but I see Mike Tyson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see a guy that's going to play extremely physically, extremely violently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to get inside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He does a very, very good job of stringing out the edge on run plays to the outside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw him do that more at Miami than, you know, a lot of college
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[SPEAKER_03]: granted, I don't think he's going to be, you know, an elite 10, 11, 12, 13, sack guy at the NFL level, but I think he's going to be a really solid lime in that can play at the edge or along the inside, depending on on the down in situation, you know, and the most important thing with a guy like
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is an instant culture transplant into your defense as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know we're focusing a little bit more in terms of the yon field stuff and he's a tremendous on field player, but I think that that's something that you have to consider as well when you're adding into your defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think that when you're talking about where Ruben Bay is gonna be drafted, you have to be able to have that off field stuff as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree that when we're talking about top of the class, especially in this group of the, you know, the more true fourth or three defensive ends that Ruben Bane is the top of the class easily, I think that if you're looking at other types of the conversation you had there, but, you know, talking about some of the other guys that are on that list, not top 15 guys in my opinion, but, you know, Countric Volk Zion Young, both of those are the ones that are on that list, not top 15 guys in my opinion, but, you know, Countric Volk Zion Young, both of those are the ones that are on that list, not top 15 guys in my opinion, but, you know, Countric Volk Zion Young, both of those are the ones that are on that list, not top 15 guys in my opinion, but, you know, Countric Volk Zion Young, both of those are the ones that are on that list, not top 15 guys in my opinion, not top 15 guys in my opinion,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the notes that I have on both those guys are very similar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's either you're longer, you're stronger, you know, you're true for three type of guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that you're the difference there between.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a Rubin Bane and a young or a Faulk there is that explosion off the line I think that both young and Faulk are very good at pressing the pocket they're going to make a quarterback uncomfortable right and that you you still need that where we talked about that with you know guys like Chopra Robinson and Jalen Phillips that you need to be able to create pressure pressure turns into sacks even if it's not that particular player but you know I do think that those are
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[SPEAKER_01]: along the same lines as Ruben Bain, but maybe just a notch below that in terms of the ability to win with quickness.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, with with Keldrick Fault, I mean, six, six, two hundred and eighty five pounds, he's an elite run defender.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's a workhorse.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The thing is you didn't have a lot of productivity at Auburn because he was helping to set other people up and.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The thing is with this Dolphins defensive line outside of Zach Sealer and Bradley Chub.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no one else that has the finishing power.
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[SPEAKER_04]: in the Miami Dolphins defense of one, and like you can have Keldrick Folk get double team, but do you trust, you know, Kenneth Grant to win his matchup one on one on a third down situation, and, you know, the passes, the quarterback is throwing at an average time of two and a half seconds.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's one of those things where you have to decide, is it worth it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Whereas, you know, Zion Young, he has a much better pass for us when percentage rate compared to Caledric folks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Six, five, two, sixty, two.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He really can control the strong side wherever, wherever he's going to be lined up, whether it's on the left across the left tackle or the right tackle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He could move
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[SPEAKER_04]: that 4-3 defense event.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Very, very good pressure volume if I'm trying to see this right, Zion Young has a pass rush win rate of 17%.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He had around, I want to say 52 to 53,
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[SPEAKER_04]: pressures last season at Missouri was able to get a couple of hurries, 31 hurries, 17 hits as well, and had a PFF pass rush grade of 82.7, which is over, you know, over half of their remaining pass pressures.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now,
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[SPEAKER_04]: of those three guys.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would really like to get Rubin Bane because guess what he can also play inside but the dolphins don't have that draft positioning.
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[SPEAKER_04]: With Keldrick Folk and Zion Young, they do, but it's about what does Jeff Hathley do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: prefer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you prefer someone to just hold the structure and let other people win like a Kenneth Grant, Zach Sealer, Bradley Chub, Jordan Brooks, the linebacker crew, or he's using the symbol, the symbol it's is to do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's more so of your guy at the 11th pick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If not, you could potentially get Zion young if you trade back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: in the first run right now Zion young is getting you know first round draft compensation first run looks yeah you know i look at god no i was just going to add in there some high touch on there like
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[SPEAKER_01]: All three of these guys are guys that on passing down, you can kick them inside as a three technique right and also that when we talk about the talent that's already on the roster rate chop Robinson is a recent first round picks still have some hope for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you're trying to build out a roster that complements each other, these are the type of defensive ends that you can put opposite chop Robinson and then let chop really do the things that he's good at right you put these guys on the tight inside let them handle that in the run game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, chop, play, you know, more of a weak side defense, and then where he does have to take on those blocks as much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Eric, I got a question for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If those three guys aren't there at 11 or the dolphins do trade back, there are also a little bit more, you know, edge rushers that you can get, you know, in the middle of the first round as well, or even early second round if they do a trade back, you know, out of the first round.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, that there's definitely guys, even guys that kind of fit into that archetype, you know, that we can talk about whether it is, you know, an LT overton out of Alabama, who's another guy, six, five, two, eighty, really good run impact.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He has that size, you know, just touching on on Keldrick Falk and just one thing that I wanted to circle back on was
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[SPEAKER_03]: watching told your fock and kind of seeing what he does in the one game, I keep getting reminded of when Green Bay was actually picking right around this, this bot in the draft, and they took Rishon Gary out of Michigan, and I think Keldrick Fock actually comps pretty well to a guy like Gary, who was a guy that we saw on a half-lead defense, but just getting back to
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think over 10 is probably the most diverse of the remaining guys that you can talk about as your true 3 down Lyman because I do think that he's got a better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: he's more well-rounded than like an Anthony Lucas who kind of gets played off the field and run situations, even though I think his size and past rush skills are interesting, you know, and even a guy like Tyrexap a little bit lower down on the board who, you know, is more of your, when you need a run stop, he's going to be your guy for a second
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think the other thing that we have to consider here is green bay had a really strong overall room in terms of depth at the edge position.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that's something that you're going to see out of this halfly defense is you're going to have kind of a guy, you're going to have a tool for every situation in that room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that getting
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, obviously you want your starters to be really high quality, but I do think it's going to kind of be a depth ensemble kind of approach at the end spots rather than, you know, just straight up, hey, this is these are our two guys and they're going to play 90% of the snaps.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And if you're taking a look at the same pocket compressors later on in the second third or maybe day two, day three picks, you mentioned Anthony Luke is 65, 285, really long arms as well around 35 inches.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got a really good bend, but he does have injury history.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, in Jeff Haffley and John Eric Sullivan's
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[SPEAKER_04]: opening press conference, they want guys that can stay healthy, that can contribute throughout the game.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And one thing with their philosophy is they need guys who have played two consecutive seasons in a row, not missing any games.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Anthony Lucas does not necessarily fit that bill.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he would be more so of a rules specific contributor that you're talking about Eric and
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[SPEAKER_04]: not a lot of passports productivity, although he's much better suited towards the run in coach you said, you just don't want to pass pressure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That can just help out on run down, especially as a 4 3 defense event.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You need someone who can actually, you know, put pressure on the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't need any more role players along the defensive one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You already have that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, the second archetype we are going to talk about is the true past rush straight winner who wins on third down that can win on that wide nine and seven tech alignment and knows when the ball is coming out they can get off.
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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, get off the line of scrimmage and destroy the protection.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that's one of the most valuable archetypes in this Jeff Hathley defense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the first one, you know, we'll talk about is David Bailey at a Texas Tech.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there's some arguments that David Bailey could be the first past pressure taken off compared to Rubin Bane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, that conversation for me comes down to what you value as a past pressure, or as an edge player, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, if you just want a guy that is going to get after the quarterback, then, you know, you're willing to sacrifice some in the run game, then David Bailey's your guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the concerns I have with him is that almost half of his career sacks were last year with Texas Tech, but you know, when you're talking about speed, power, he's got a devastating spin move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's got the entire package in terms of what he can do rushing the passer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a speed off the edge is unmatched, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about RVL recent at some point, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would put Bailey even ahead of recent terms of
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[SPEAKER_01]: more of a true Ed guy and speed off the edge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At times, I feel like that can kind of hurt him as well because we talked about earlier about those bigger, heavy handed, four, three defensive ends, not running themselves out of a plate because they're strong enough to counter back inside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that at times Bailey might depend on that speed a little too much and allow himself to get run around the edge there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He could be your Mike a person's type, you know, move around the formation, you know, stand him over the nose, let him go, but there is a little bit of a boomer of bus there with him, like he could very well be the top edge guy in this draft class by far, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he also could end up being kind of average if he doesn't continue to
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[SPEAKER_01]: develop that, right, because you can be in elite pastress or in college, but that doesn't always carry over to the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he's a, a great, a great prospect and probably the best pure pastress prospect in this draft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when you look at a guy like Bailey, Mike, my, now my concerns are are kind of largely the same as yours.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, I worry a little bit number one about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a little bit of redundancy between him and Chop Robinson, as far as what they do defensively.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then, secondarily, I mean, if I'm drafting a guy at 11 or anywhere in the top half at the first round as an egg russher, I wanna be fairly certain that I'm getting a guy that I can play all three downs and feel good about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bailey again, I think he is the best pure past rusher in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The first step is just devastating off the edge, but I do have those concerns and because of that, I think that there are guys that kind of fit into that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: closer kind of mold a little bit further down the board that we'll talk about, you know, a guy like Derek Moore out of Michigan kind of comes to mind that if you can get him later on second third round, I might feel a little bit better about it than Bailey in the first just because of that
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Derek Moore, more so, 6, 3, 254 pounds, David Bailey, 6, 3, 200, and 50 pounds, Bailey is more so on the lighter side and has much less mass.
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[SPEAKER_04]: compared to Derek Moore.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And when you take a look at their true pressure when percentage, they're almost the same.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Where David Bailey has a 38.6% when percentage and Derek Moore has a 36% when percentage.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So metric and data wise, it's very similar, but these two players could be much more different.
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[SPEAKER_04]: David Bailey, don't get me wrong, fantastic past pressure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't see him as the perfect fit in Jeff Hathley's defensive scheme.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When we're talking about these players and scouting them, you need to realize what they look like in this scheme.
28:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Derek Moore fits the wide nine system.
28:51
[SPEAKER_04]: He can fit that fourth, three defensive and most similar to what he was at Michigan.
28:58
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not that five tech.
28:59
[SPEAKER_04]: kind of guy.
29:00
[SPEAKER_04]: He's more so of that high end pressure guy getting after the quarterback using that burst, using that motor to do it.
29:08
[SPEAKER_04]: But he's got only a couple of moves.
29:11
[SPEAKER_04]: He's got the hook move.
29:12
[SPEAKER_04]: He's got the spin move.
29:14
[SPEAKER_04]: He can rush with power, but he needs a counter as well.
29:17
[SPEAKER_04]: He needs other moves that can help him win inside interior on those stunts and twist.
29:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and he'll get that help from the
29:28
[SPEAKER_04]: But if he can't develop any other counter moves against stronger offensive guards or the centers or if he's getting combo block into that second level, he needs to be able to defeat that.
29:42
[SPEAKER_04]: The other guy, Mason Thomas as well.
29:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Mason Thomas right now in a lot of mocks is going in the first round.
29:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Derek Moore is going towards the second round right now.
29:52
[SPEAKER_04]: So you have to take a look at the
29:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Mason Thomas, guys, he's six to 249 pounds.
30:00
[SPEAKER_04]: That is deviating from the measurements of what John Erick Sullivan and Jeff Hathley are actually looking for.
30:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the, well, I mean, touched on Bailey and Morbal.
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you talked about their measurements there, and they, like you said, they are very similar in size, but the, the makeup of their body, I guess, is a lot different and they are very different players.
30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: When I look at Armies and Thomas, he is a lot more like the David Bailey type body than what he is the Derek MorTech guy.
30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that he's a guy that you can use,
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of the same ways I talked about Bailey being glad that you can move around and rush from different positions and that's the way I feel about Armace and Thomas as well.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be interested to see what is what his measurements come in and I was looking at another another list that had him listed at 6-1.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if we're talking about 4-3 defense events that we want some length with then there are questions with that.
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I have questions about Armace and Thomas's motor, right?
31:17
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't always seem to be as active as some of the other guys that we see in this class.
31:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that he is all that great consistently in the run game, like he flashes.
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He can do it, but just don't see it consistently.
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So when we talk about where we slot these guys in, you talked about,
31:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Armace and Thomas being drafted in the first ground versus Derek more in the second round for me, right?
31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm making that decision, I would feel a lot more better with the value of Derek more in the second round than Armace and Thomas in the first round.
31:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm inclined to agree again.
31:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I think for a guy that will be at the NFL level largely a past-risk specialist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: some of the measurements for Mason Thomas are kind of no-go's for me.
32:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Because if you're going to just be a past-rust specialist, I kind of need the measureables to be really good.
32:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I need there to be something elite.
32:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that Mason Thomas is a good technical past-rusher.
32:28
[SPEAKER_03]: He gets production,
32:32
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, he gets washed out in the run game a little bit.
32:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't particularly love that.
32:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I just don't see the physical tools if he's just going to be kind of a past rush specialist to warrant being a first or second round guy at his size.
32:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's a couple of other guys you can find in day two and day three as well, or primarily pass for a specialist, such as Joshua Joseph's out of Tennessee, they're almost 35% true, past true pressure when percentage can line up in the wide nine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Can sometimes help out inside on those twists and stunts needs a little bit more body mast effectively help out in the run game.
33:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Romelo Hight is an interesting one because he's got a phenomenal pass rush win rate, where he's almost up there with Ruben Bay and Juner, almost 22% pass rush win rate.
33:37
[SPEAKER_04]: He's got 42 hurries, PFF had him at a 92.6.
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[SPEAKER_04]: password sprayed 11 hits as well and had 9 sacs last last season.
33:47
[SPEAKER_04]: But once again, 6,3,234 pounds does not have that mass, doesn't have that ability to effectively manage the run game and glow up against those blocks.
33:59
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll be more so of a sub-package, guys.
34:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Couple of other guys, Malikai Lawrence from UCF, he had a great, great, shri and bull performance.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Six, four, 250, 35 inch arms, Coach, what were your thoughts on him when he watched him?
34:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first going back to Romela, I hate that I quit.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a player that I like a lot, but as that subpackaged type player, I think you kind of sum that up well there.
34:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Height is an older prospect, he spent two years at Auburn, two years at USC.
34:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of your good 10, four, 25, right?
34:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
34:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And then last year was his loan season at Texas Tech, he had 10 SACS last year, and then his previous high was four.
34:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So like when I was watching the tape, I'm, you know, questioning myself, why did it take so long for him to kind of explode in terms of SACS?
34:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you think about a playing opposite of David Bailey is going to have a huge impact on that, but that kind of plays him to what I feel like the strengths are in height scheme.
35:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is that he is a high effort type of guy like the motor is always running for him.
35:06
[SPEAKER_01]: In the, as a past Westery, he's not good enough against the run, but when you, if you pair him with somebody like David Bailey and premier past Westery, that's the type of the guy that can get those high effort, clean up sacks, and you know, still be an eight to ten sack guy from a reserve role.
35:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Malachi Lawrence, on the other hand, you're talking about him performing well at the
35:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Another player that I don't always feel like he played at full speed.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he shows that ability to bend around the edge.
35:44
[SPEAKER_01]: He shows that ability to win with power.
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Played all over the place, right?
35:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Stand up, hand in, dirt a little bit of a three technique as well.
35:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, one of the nurses have, you know, the raw skills flash for him, but they don't always show up.
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's going to be, you know, a key for a team's comfort level in him.
36:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I, you know, that's the type of player that I expect.
36:10
[SPEAKER_01]: to go to a shrine bowl and to show up, right, because he knows the spotlight is on him, but as he gets into the NFL, I'll player that I feel like we need to see a little more consistency with, but if you can find that consistency right then you're talking about a guy that could end up as a steal compared to where he ends up being drafted.
36:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think he's the prime
36:37
[SPEAKER_03]: middle rounds, you know, going for the the highest possible ceiling kind of player, I mean, he's he's absolutely a guy that I think you would teams can and should obviously pending on how he interviews with teams and kind of getting comfortable with his makeup.
37:00
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the poster child for the type of player that I think you're looking for in the middle rounds as far as, you know, who can we get that has the tools that we can really mold into an impact player down the line here, I think he's he's got all of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and the last one in this archetype is actually a national champion with Indiana, Mackayel, Kamera, 6-1, 265, he's more of a leverage guy, he has his size limitations for sure, but I don't know if a 6-1 pass rush I can get it down with his hands.
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[SPEAKER_04]: in the dirt.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I primarily see him as a special teams guy.
37:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Starting off if he was drafted under the Jeff Haffley's mind, we dolphins, feels more like a designated type of past pressure, not so much of a starter or an impact guide just yet.
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41:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Coach and Eric, I did not get your guys' opportunity to talk about Mikhail Comerra before we talk about our next archetype.
41:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to hear your thoughts on him.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I know that we don't want to build a defense full of exceptions, right?
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about prototypes here and especially when you're talking, you know, hydrathics, you do not want to get guys that fall that far out of it and I understand
41:46
[SPEAKER_01]: does fall outside of that being, you know, not a whole lot over six foot, but this is a player that I, I really like, seems to play a lot better than what those size limitations would indicate.
41:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he, you know, he, you know, will squad your little thick, but he still plays with explosion and still looks good in space for a guy that is shaped the way that he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be comfortable with him as a day one starter or anything like that.
42:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that this is a type of player that you can you can drag.
42:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talk about situational past wrestlers on the edge.
42:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a guy that you could put as a three technique and let him abuse some guards with his quickness.
42:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know that he's not the starting type edge player that we're talking about a lot today.
42:33
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's a player that I like as a sub player that can have an impact.
42:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
42:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I see a point about, you know, not wanting to build defense around players at our exceptions.
42:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And I kind of feel the same way when it comes to a guy like Camaro.
42:51
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, 6-1, I'd be interested to see what his non-height measurables come out to because he's a guy that, you know, if he's got a longer wingspan than, you know, his height
43:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it does a lot for him.
43:10
[SPEAKER_03]: On the other end of the spectrum, I'll be honest with you.
43:13
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of these colleges will stuff, well, you know, kind of give guys a little bit extra on the height.
43:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that's gonna hurt a guy like Ruben Bane.
43:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I see him listed at 6-3.
43:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe he's 6-3.
43:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a little bit closer to Michaela Kamara as far as overall build.
43:37
[SPEAKER_03]: which will be an interesting storyline for him.
43:40
[SPEAKER_03]: But getting back to Kamara, he is an effective pass, Russia, he does have good film.
43:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Little apprehensive of a guy named Kamara with great film, who's 61 off the edge, but I do understand that there are different players and that there's a little bit more versatility in Mikhail Kamara's game.
44:02
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, we'll move on to the next archetype which are chaos pieces for Jeff Halfley's defense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: These are hybrid pressure linebackers that can sometimes line up as adjuders help out in the round game.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes maybe drop into coverage occasionally on those sim pressures and help out on those hook curls and on those hook flats.
44:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, the first one we have to talk about our bellaries because he exploded onto the scene this season, 64, 243 pounds, an estimated 4.5 to 40 times, 31.3.
44:41
[SPEAKER_04]: past rush productivity of your true pressure success according to PFF, which is absolutely.
44:51
[SPEAKER_04]: He's an absolute missile when those stunts twist happens.
44:57
[SPEAKER_04]: He just blows right off the edge when he's off the ball as well.
45:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't necessarily see him as a hand in the dirt type of guy, just yet a lot of people want to compare him to a micoparsin slash TJ watt type of player.
45:17
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't really see that.
45:19
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he is just our Valeries.
45:21
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not a Michael Parsons.
45:23
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not TJ what.
45:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Our Valeries is our Valeries.
45:27
[SPEAKER_04]: He is a heat-seeking missile, but I don't see him as a traditional 4-3 type of defensive end where I see him as a best fit on those past rush opportunities is a
45:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Potentially let Jordan Brooks cook in coverage and he's actually one of those guys trying to get after the quarterback.
45:53
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's more so of a Quay Walker type of guy in that green bay defense where he is an ideal hybrid that can also, you know, help out in coverage.
46:07
[SPEAKER_04]: you know, tackle those running backs, one to two yards, off the line of skirmish, and it's one of those guys who's a rotational past pressure, but has a better efficiency that can help out, you know, those defensive lines where you have an odd front, you have a guy like Kenneth Grant, Zach Sealer, and Jordan Phillips as you're three down,
46:31
[SPEAKER_04]: defensive line men you have Bradley Chub on one side you have Chopra Robinson on the other where you have five guys lined up and then you bring in the guy like our Valorist you're like okay who is actually coming here you know and then you have Jordan Brooks coverage more so on like a nickel type of package which we know guys after doing our last podcast Jeff Hathley really used the nickel defense a lot last season I think we'll bring that same thing so
47:01
[SPEAKER_04]: our Valreys really does fit the bill as a hybrid monster in this defense.
47:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're going to see him listed multiple places when you look at different draft boards.
47:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Some are going to have him listed as an off-ball linebacker.
47:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Some are going to have him listed as an edge.
47:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I classify it as an edge because snap-wise, I think he played a little more edge, you know, high-o-state thing that he did off-ball, but neither group is wrong.
47:29
[SPEAKER_01]: he is a special player.
47:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the dolphins have any shot at touching him.
47:35
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, this is a player that you could play him strictly as an edge player and I think he's going to be a probable player.
47:44
[SPEAKER_01]: you can play him as a off ball linebacker.
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's going to be a provol player, right?
47:49
[SPEAKER_01]: But nobody's going to do that.
47:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be moved around.
47:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be a menace wherever he goes.
47:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And no, he's not your traditional four, three hand in the defensive end.
48:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But we talked early in this show about defensive ends that cannot be blocked by tight ends.
48:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And Arvelle Reese just routinely embarrasses tight ends that try to block him.
48:14
[SPEAKER_01]: A linebacker, right, it's not common to find college linebackers that are willing to fill and take on blocks effectively.
48:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what he does from a an off ball perspective.
48:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And then from the edge, he's got he's got the speed.
48:28
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the moves from the edge to be very effective there.
48:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, who saw him, you talked about him not being like a Parsons.
48:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, my notes that kind of have.
48:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That comparison is well, but in my notes, you know, I feel like he is a better off-ball player than what Mike is, but that Mike is probably a little better as a hand in the dirt type guy.
48:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So not not the same players, but players I think can be used very similarly, and we saw how half was able to use Mike a Parsons in Green Bay.
48:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't think we're going to touch our values, but he is a fabulous player.
49:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I obviously R. Bell Reese is I think you can make a case for him being the best overall player in the draft, regardless of position, absolute free athlete does everything well on the field as you mentioned from off ball linebacker to edge rusher, he would be just a, like you mentioned, a phenomenal chess piece of guy that, you know,
49:33
[SPEAKER_03]: can play in your, in your base defense in that off ball spot and then, you know, when it's time to go into your nickel packages, he's a wide nine and or he's, you know, lined up over a guard and you don't know who's coming.
49:50
[SPEAKER_03]: There's just so much you can do with an arvel race, you know,
49:59
[SPEAKER_03]: the entire state linebacker core.
50:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I would draft if I could.
50:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But we'll get to that down the line when we talk about linebackers specifically.
50:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Arbel Reese, special player, but like you said, I mean, at 11, there's just, there's no shot.
50:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Unless, unless somebody's got a gas mask with Arbel Reese, there's a lot of people on this one.
50:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the next guy we have in our list is actually a linebacker from Texas,
50:29
[SPEAKER_04]: a little bit more of your traditional hybrid kind of guy six three 249 you could be more so like your weak side line backer.
50:39
[SPEAKER_04]: If you guys remember.
50:41
[SPEAKER_04]: barren browning from previous drafts.
50:44
[SPEAKER_04]: People didn't know what he was going to be.
50:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Whether if he was going to be, you know, a guy who had his hand in the dirt or an off-ball linebacker, but he's had a decent to solid start his first four years with the Denver Broncos, not necessarily eye popping on film, doesn't have eye popping stats.
51:05
[SPEAKER_04]: What more so of a
51:09
[SPEAKER_04]: for that Denver Broncos defense.
51:12
[SPEAKER_04]: And Traymore could be similar in that sense, where he's used as a designated past pressure on second and third downs.
51:22
[SPEAKER_04]: He's your rotational guy in the off-ball linebacker.
51:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Tap a core and I want to try to compare this to the Packers linebacked core.
51:33
[SPEAKER_04]: It reminds me a little bit of Isaiah McDuffie where he also has the skill set to be encouraged on those hooks on those flats and carry some receivers around the fore.
51:48
[SPEAKER_04]: to five yards just right off the line of scrimmage.
51:51
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't necessarily see him as a guy that can play deep, although he used to play the box safety.
52:00
[SPEAKER_04]: I believe he played at another school before current rate attacks is I'm kind of blanking on it.
52:06
[SPEAKER_04]: But they used him as a hybrid nickel guy who
52:12
[SPEAKER_04]: is big enough to play as a big safety, but has better past rushing prowess for an off-law line-backer hybrid edge player?
52:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm gonna try to default the air care because more is a player that I did not really get a chance to watch, but I did look up that he did play at UTSA prior to going to Texas.
52:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I'm going to have to kind of echo those sentiments straight more.
52:49
[SPEAKER_03]: The one thing, the one thing that I will see that I, that I'm not particularly crazy about is the past rush went great of 11.6% yeah, but yeah, I just haven't seen a lot of the player actually playing at this point.
53:08
[SPEAKER_04]: I will say though in terms of run defense, he's decent to code.
53:12
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like the same skill set of him rushing the pastor as well He is a senior transfer from UTSA, but he's one of those guys that you could take a look in the third and fourth round and you're like, okay Maybe or one of Miami's last third-round picks, you know the ones that are in the eighties and nineties where you could say okay a little bit of past rush help
53:34
[SPEAKER_04]: and some coverage as well.
53:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Another guy, Cassius Howell, reminds me more so of Edger and Cooper, where he plays that high-read role as well into coverage 62248.
53:47
[SPEAKER_04]: If you remember Edger and Cooper, he was also 622, also came from Texas A&M, but his run defense is more so of a concern.
53:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Cassius Howell,
54:02
[SPEAKER_01]: was an interesting tape to watch for me because I felt like he had surprising power for his size, right there.
54:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He's his twin.
54:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, he's exposed to the ball.
54:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been moved like you talked about like there are there is stuff to work with there, but it feels to me like a lot of times that he's kind of
54:29
[SPEAKER_01]: playing like a main without a plan, like almost a frantic type of style.
54:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times when you see that with a younger player, you feel like there's something there that you can work with, right?
54:43
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lack of discipline at times in the way that how it plays.
54:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So based on physical talent, he's got, in my opinion, he's got top 10 players.
54:55
[SPEAKER_01]: physical talent, but hasn't been able to put that together, right?
54:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And as a fifth-year senior, you have to start to question, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the player or is that
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[SPEAKER_01]: the scheme and the coaching and at some point you have to really question whether is he just who he is and this is going to be a guy that comes in and can flash a few plays here and there but could also make you vulnerable times with the way that he plays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to be a very
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[SPEAKER_01]: interesting one to watch the way that he tests and the way that the teams see him because like I said it physically I feel like there is top 10 talent in there but there's not top 10 take.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I mean with with how like you mentioned I think the tools are phenomenal but I do I do watch Cassis how and
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[SPEAKER_03]: I look at him particularly against players that I know are going to be NFL players on the other side along the offensive line when he was matched up against better tackles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: they were able to kind of neutralize him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was a guy that kind of ate against lesser competition.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This past year at Texas A&M, not to say that that's an indication that he can't be really good, but when you're a player and you don't have that past rush plan, a lot of the more technically sound bigger, stronger offensive linemen guys that you're gonna see at that next level, they just, they kind of know what to do with that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see because he's being mocked within the first round and coach, as you said, if Austin Clark and Jeff Hall at Halfway, and I forget who's the linebacker's coach for the dolphin right now, I know he just got hired and I'm blank you on the name.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But if they can put a plan together, if they are drafting cashews, how will
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[SPEAKER_04]: have him be that guy that, you know, that can feast off the support staff of the dolphins like the interior defensive linemen, maybe a guy like Bradley Chub and Chopper, Robinson or if they do draft a different player later.
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[SPEAKER_04]: the potential could be there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Alright, there are a lot of guys on this list that don't necessarily fit the Jeff Halfway defense like Iowa's Maxwell and Ben Bell, Ole Misses, Principal Monmilan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Another guy from Clemson who is getting potential first in second round buzz is TJ Parker.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Does not necessarily fit the mold of a Jeff Hathley defensive end, Mateo Longalale from Oregon, and I'm curious to see if they would be interested in Penn State's Danny Dennis Sutton.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like he has the physical tools for it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't know about the scheme fit in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, that's it for us here at Scouting the Finstick with us.
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