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LET'S TALK ABOUT IT WITH SHANETTE W JOHNSON | SEASON 2 DA CREW PODCAST | EPISODE 185 · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: New Jersey happened to be the last northern state to
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  Speaker 1: abolish slavery. The New Jersey Training School for Boys was
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  Speaker 1: opened in eighteen sixty seven. It's two years after emancipation,
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  Speaker 1: after slaves were free, and they put a process in
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  Speaker 1: place called gradual emancipation, which meant that children who were
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  Speaker 1: born by slave mothers had to work as indentured slaves
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  Speaker 1: until they were young adults.
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  Speaker 2: In Kansas, we're also the state of Brown Verse Board
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  Speaker 2: of Education to be able to go just a few
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  Speaker 2: miles from the Brown Verse Board of Education school building
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  Speaker 2: to the Kansas Juvenile Correctional Complex, our one remaining youth prison,
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  Speaker 2: and walking in and seeing the racial disparities in that facility. Again,
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  Speaker 2: it's just difficult to walk away from that and not
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  Speaker 2: feel like we have a special responsibility to fix this
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  Speaker 2: and fix this quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Our youth prisons were created at a time when human
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  Speaker 3: bondage was legal, a time when whites were willing to
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  Speaker 3: see blacks is less than human. Young people will come
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  Speaker 3: into these facilities and leg irons and shackles. There's been
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  Speaker 3: incidents of correctional officers actually hog tying. Some facilities use
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  Speaker 3: something called a restraint chair. You know everything that they do,
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  Speaker 3: they're being watched, and they're being controlled, and they're being
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  Speaker 3: deprived of their own agency and their own worth.
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  Speaker 4: When you look at some of the communities that are
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  Speaker 4: the highest committing to the juvenile justice system, they are
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  Speaker 4: imparverished communities. There are communities that are struggling economically, the
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  Speaker 4: school systems are failing, and there is a lack of
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  Speaker 4: hope and opportunity in those communities. And it is just
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  Speaker 4: a reflection of the way blacks were treated when they
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  Speaker 4: were first brought to this country on slave ships.
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  Speaker 5: Good evening, and welcome to another episode, and let's talk
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  Speaker 5: about it with you. I'm your host Johnson, my full host,
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  Speaker 5: corn is an author.
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  Speaker 6: Can you hear me? Angela? Okay, I guess, I guess.
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  Speaker 5: We're everybody we can they can hear me now, So
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  Speaker 5: joining us this evening would be Shameilia Osborne.
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  Speaker 6: She is an author.
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  Speaker 5: Her and her husband spowerded a nonprofit from Prison to Power.
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  Speaker 6: We want to talk about that, Angela.
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  Speaker 5: Can you bring Shamiri up because she has so much
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  Speaker 5: I would like for her to introduce herself. You can
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  Speaker 5: hear me, Oh yes, I can hear you. Okay, how
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  Speaker 5: are you doing it?
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  Speaker 6: See me, I'm good.
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  Speaker 7: How you guys doing.
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  Speaker 5: We're doing good? Give us a little brief description you.
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  Speaker 5: I've seen you are. You sent me your bio and
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  Speaker 5: I was just so amazed that everything that you that
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  Speaker 5: you do, especially you know the power to prison.
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  Speaker 6: Ministry that you and your husband have.
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  Speaker 5: Just give the audience a little a little background, uh
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  Speaker 5: about who is Shamiria H.
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  Speaker 6: Well, MH.
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  Speaker 8: I can say I'm a mother of three with three kids,
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  Speaker 8: three keys, and two grand babies. I could say Shania
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  Speaker 8: has been a long journey.
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  Speaker 7: J I'm just sneering. I'm just who God want me
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  Speaker 7: to be. I I me and my husband have Uh.
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  Speaker 8: You know, we came a long way when we s
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  Speaker 8: when he already had uh a program started with the youth.
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  Speaker 8: So we joined together, as you know, to start.
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  Speaker 7: A big thing of the youth.
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  Speaker 8: Uh because one because I have a son that's a
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  Speaker 8: trouble teen, that was a trouble teen, and also a nephew.
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  Speaker 7: So uh, y'all gotta excuse me. I'm I'm kind of
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  Speaker 7: tired of it.
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  Speaker 8: But I I'm just a person that I I'm just
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  Speaker 8: a really a person that uh wanna help the community
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  Speaker 8: a type of person that uh wanna reach you know,
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  Speaker 8: a lot of youth in the in the community, and
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  Speaker 8: you know, we just give back, give.
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  Speaker 9: Back to.
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  Speaker 8: What I what I've seen as a mother of raising
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  Speaker 8: a teenager boy, trouble teens. So I was just always
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  Speaker 8: the type of mom who will step out there and
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  Speaker 8: try to do a lot of different things to help
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  Speaker 8: the community, to help the kids.
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  Speaker 7: I'm tired. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I know you and Samiria being up probably before five
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  Speaker 5: because we have five am prayers and she's one of
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  Speaker 5: the the ladies that be praying in the morning at
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  Speaker 5: five am, so we're not gonna hold her along. We're
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  Speaker 5: just gonna talk briefly. Cornell, do you have any thing
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  Speaker 5: for Samaria?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I would like to say thank you for coming
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  Speaker 10: on the show, for sharing your story with us.
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  Speaker 11: We really appreciate you very much for being an advocate
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  Speaker 11: for the criminal justice recom and.
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  Speaker 10: The youth will need no voice. And my name is Cornell,
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  Speaker 10: Drlma and I'm gonna Coursorate of Texas Cent't made it
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  Speaker 10: forty four years, found up the Free Texas campaign, the
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  Speaker 10: two tex campaign and is basically a platform the significant
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  Speaker 10: but the two justice and accountability and with that, I
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  Speaker 10: appreciate you for having me on your show.
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  Speaker 11: Let's talk about it, and that tonight's episode will be
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  Speaker 11: what's wrong with our United States Criminal Justices and we're
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  Speaker 11: focusing on.
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  Speaker 10: The youth programs plan.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you, Cornell.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, for the last two weeks me and Cornell have
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  Speaker 5: been talking about the juvenile system. Tonight, I want to
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  Speaker 5: talk about the Law Party, Texas Law Party, and I
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  Speaker 5: also want to talk about the second look with the
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  Speaker 5: Law Party the juveniles. If you commit a crime in Texas,
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  Speaker 5: if someone kills someone and you didn't, you're going to
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  Speaker 5: get charged with the same crime and you're going to
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  Speaker 5: get the same sentence. In my correct Cornell, am, I sort.
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  Speaker 6: Of correct, ma'am.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, ma'am, you're very correct, man.
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  Speaker 6: And so.
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  Speaker 5: I believe that they're trying to get it amendment where
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  Speaker 5: the person that actually does the commit the crime that
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  Speaker 5: actually does it and the person that doesn't they want
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  Speaker 5: to separate the twoth so one will get the harshest
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  Speaker 5: sentence and the other one doesn't get the harsh sentenced.
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  Speaker 5: Am I correct?
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  Speaker 10: Yes, s ma'am, you won't correct with that now, and yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So tell me what they're basically doing over there,
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  Speaker 5: Cordell with the law party acts and then we're going
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  Speaker 5: to have a Shamir Shamiria would like to touch a
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  Speaker 5: little on her son's case or let us know exactly
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  Speaker 5: what she's been doing after to on behalf of her son.
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  Speaker 5: I know we spoke on yesterday and you said that
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  Speaker 5: you I'm probably jumping a little ahead of myself, but
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  Speaker 5: I know you're tired, so I don't want to hold
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  Speaker 5: you long. You said that that you was out there
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  Speaker 5: protesting on behalf of your son because of the the
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  Speaker 5: sentence that he was given, the sentence.
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  Speaker 6: That you told me.
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  Speaker 5: I know it was really unjust for him for that.
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  Speaker 5: So I would like for you to go ahead and share,
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  Speaker 5: and then Cornell, you can jump in and also.
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  Speaker 6: Comment. Okay, Samiria.
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  Speaker 7: Happened.
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  Speaker 8: They called it a arm robbery because they stated that
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  Speaker 8: my nephew and my son uh was at this school
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  Speaker 8: or somewhere behind the school, and they pulled.
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  Speaker 7: A gun out on another teenager and.
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  Speaker 8: One of his book bag and they end up getting
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  Speaker 8: the book bag getting in the car. Police end up
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  Speaker 8: pulling them over that day. They end up pulling them
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  Speaker 8: over with the book bag in the car. So when
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  Speaker 8: it foh just going past that car. When they got
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  Speaker 8: the court, my son decided not to take it. He
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  Speaker 8: didn't wanna take the plead deal because at the time
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  Speaker 8: he said that he didn't pull the gun out on
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  Speaker 8: the young guy. And they they went to court, they
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  Speaker 8: did all that. The young guy came to court and
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  Speaker 8: he stated they that my son wasn't the one who
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  Speaker 8: pulled the gun on him.
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  Speaker 7: It was my nephew at the time.
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  Speaker 8: But for some reason, by my son taking it to trial,
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  Speaker 8: when he took it the trial, my nephew end up
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  Speaker 8: taking to plead there, but my son ended up taking
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  Speaker 8: it the trial. And when my son took it the trial,
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  Speaker 8: he lost and they ended up giving my son twenty
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  Speaker 8: five years for robbery. At the time when all that
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  Speaker 8: incident happened, I got with some other people.
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  Speaker 7: That we went to the news with it. We protest
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  Speaker 7: at the at the courthouse. I had other I had.
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  Speaker 8: Almost about five other women that got behind me.
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  Speaker 7: That also had teenager boys.
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  Speaker 6: That was.
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  Speaker 8: That had other kids in the neighborhood or their kids
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  Speaker 8: end up getting prison time under the same judge at
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  Speaker 8: the time, and some of them got forty seven years
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  Speaker 8: just standing there with their hands in their pocket, didn't
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  Speaker 8: kill nobody.
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  Speaker 7: But it's the same.
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  Speaker 8: Judge that was bamming a lot of these young youth.
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  Speaker 8: And I can say a lot of these young black
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  Speaker 8: boys because that's yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I went out our protest. I even protested in.
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  Speaker 8: Atlama, trying to help my son so he can get
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  Speaker 8: more light on of them giving these young boys too
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  Speaker 8: much time.
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  Speaker 9: For something that they didn't kill. They didn't kill.
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  Speaker 7: The young guy, they didn't touch him or hurt him.
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  Speaker 9: But I understand about.
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  Speaker 8: Them just even being around there and doing something like that.
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  Speaker 8: I can understand them getting punished for it. But the
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  Speaker 8: time that they gave my nephew and my son was
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  Speaker 8: just too much a time.
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  Speaker 9: They ended up giving.
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  Speaker 8: My nephew took the plea deal for fifteen years, but
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  Speaker 8: like I said, my.
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  Speaker 10: Son took it to try out and they end up on.
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  Speaker 9: Him five years. I guess for been taking it to
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  Speaker 9: try out. But we are still.
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  Speaker 8: Trying to fight my son in case my nephew get
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  Speaker 8: ready to get out. His time is up, so.
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  Speaker 6: The share my.
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  Speaker 8: Nephew will be getting released from prison, but my son
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  Speaker 8: had to serve all.
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  Speaker 9: His twenty five years, so we fighting that we're still
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  Speaker 9: fighting it.
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  Speaker 6: Now with my son.
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  Speaker 10: When the twenty five.
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  Speaker 9: Years and it's kind of I'm not saying it's kind
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  Speaker 9: of hard, but a lot of law is now.
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  Speaker 10: They wanted, they.
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  Speaker 8: Want at least thirty thousand dollars to even uh to
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  Speaker 8: really take his case back to the corner.
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  Speaker 9: So it's it's really tough.
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  Speaker 7: It's really tough. And like I tell, I tell.
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  Speaker 8: About the youth, even when I go to the ycs
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  Speaker 8: and talk with the youth, it's so easy to getting
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  Speaker 8: in trou but it's hard to get out of it.
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  Speaker 8: And this is something that I told my son when
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  Speaker 8: he was hanging with the wrong crowd, that you know,
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  Speaker 8: it's fun the game now that you're out there whatever.
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  Speaker 9: Y'all doing, but when you get in trouble, it's gonna
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  Speaker 9: be hard to get out of.
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  Speaker 8: Now my son looking at that and saying, Mama, you
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  Speaker 8: was right, And this is the one.
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  Speaker 9: It's so hard for my son at this point.
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  Speaker 10: But you know, my.
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  Speaker 8: Nephew getting ready to get released, and he probably gonna
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  Speaker 8: get released this year before decemb So.
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  Speaker 9: I'm just still fighting for my son. And then I mean,
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  Speaker 9: that's all I can do is put it in God.
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  Speaker 9: Hands to show me what I can do to take
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  Speaker 9: it to.
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  Speaker 5: Another Let with him, Cornell, do you have anything?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I guess baby, he didn't. They cut the phone.
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  Speaker 5: Well while I was sitting here and I'm just listening
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  Speaker 5: to what you said. A lot of people will say
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  Speaker 5: that it's not racial, but this is my personal opinion,
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  Speaker 5: and it's a lot of people that feel the same
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  Speaker 5: way it is. It is racial. Would someone else would
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  Speaker 5: have got that same sentence as your son, as your
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  Speaker 5: as your nephew. I think not, I really think not.
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  Speaker 5: You know, when you said it's the same judge and
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  Speaker 5: that he was handed down sentence of forty seven years
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  Speaker 5: to boys that's just standing around with their hands in
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  Speaker 5: their pocket, it took me back to when I would
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  Speaker 5: talk to this young man from California named Kevin Thornton.
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  Speaker 5: Kevin Thornton, as you guys may remember, was a youth
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  Speaker 5: and it wasn't now no homicide tied in his case
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  Speaker 5: or anything. He was actually with two older guys when
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  Speaker 5: this happened, and he went before the before the judge
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  Speaker 5: and juvenile court, and the judge transferred him to adult court.
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  Speaker 5: So on Kevin Kevin's first day at adult court, who's
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  Speaker 5: sitting behind the bench. The same judge that transferred his
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  Speaker 5: case from juvenile court to adult court is now going
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  Speaker 5: to preside over the case as you know, an adult court.
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  Speaker 5: In the end, Keaven was sentenced to I believe forty
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  Speaker 5: eight years plus double life.
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  Speaker 6: That was his sentence as a juvenile.
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  Speaker 5: This Thursday, Kevin is going before California Parole or the
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  Speaker 5: Sea if they if he can make parole, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And I just look at the injustice that our men
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  Speaker 5: are facing, you know, And I'm trying to pandpoint like
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  Speaker 5: I seen. I did my research and I've seen the
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  Speaker 5: injustice where people talked about how that is laws there
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  Speaker 5: that the white people, uh, Caucasians have their laws, the
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  Speaker 5: blacks have their laws.
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  Speaker 6: It's two different laws.
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  Speaker 5: And it's not coming from people of colors. It's coming
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  Speaker 5: out of it's coming out of their mouths. They're telling
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  Speaker 5: us that is two sets a lot who you had
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  Speaker 5: a black loss and you had the.
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  Speaker 6: White lass.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't think that's fair, you know, for our
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  Speaker 5: man's to be sentenced like that. We can even take
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  Speaker 5: it as fact, go as back as slavery for now.
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  Speaker 6: Are you back with us, yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 10: Well, yes, ma'am again, ma'am. You know it's evidence that
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  Speaker 10: African Americans can't configure out a race card that ain't
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  Speaker 10: other nothing else. And what's the point now too that
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  Speaker 10: our criminal I thought this purpose so here is the
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  Speaker 10: same with her situation. They don't want her nephew were
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  Speaker 10: charged from the which when I'm just identified as a
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  Speaker 10: low part. We did not pulled god on anybody, nor
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  Speaker 10: didn't take anything from anybody. We were just a parted
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  Speaker 10: to the offense I was charged. And with that being
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  Speaker 10: there as a cousin and the one who actually toward
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  Speaker 10: the buildings because he reputed to cite he was unless say,
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  Speaker 10: include his offense. He too was convicted by a jury
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  Speaker 10: which is classified as retaliation. But his stay is to
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  Speaker 10: he guilty to a crime that he did not commit,
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  Speaker 10: only being a party to a crime that was committed.
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  Speaker 10: So the jury gave him twenty five years as a
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  Speaker 10: result of his refusal to police get you and his
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  Speaker 10: rights to exercise the rights of datable to him to
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  Speaker 10: see maccusey for a crime he did not commit. So
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  Speaker 10: now being the fact that he got twenty fithers under
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  Speaker 10: the law party in the state of sex that identified
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  Speaker 10: and of the status between call him sexually to the
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  Speaker 10: fact of the fact he's being centers for something as
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  Speaker 10: like I said, the law for him and his sentence
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  Speaker 10: of disproportionate to really often charged because he's been convicted
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  Speaker 10: for nothing but a misdemeanor, really you know, or anything
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  Speaker 10: less than the aggravated robin.
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  Speaker 6: So what would be what what's what state? Was he
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  Speaker 6: in Shnamiria, That was in Georgia.
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  Speaker 7: It happened in Georgia.
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  Speaker 5: So what do you do you know that the time
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  Speaker 5: frame or the sentencing that the sentencing guideline for that.
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  Speaker 7: I did look it up armed robbery.
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  Speaker 8: They the judge in the das can they can max
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  Speaker 8: They could give time less or they could give you
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  Speaker 8: a max of twenty five years for arm robbery And
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  Speaker 8: that was my son's first offense, so.
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  Speaker 7: They didn't even look at it.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, by him, that's his first offense, you know, we
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  Speaker 8: would give him less charge of that crime.
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  Speaker 7: They gave him the max and the max was twenty
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  Speaker 7: five years.
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  Speaker 10: For armed robbery. Can I can I something on that now?
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  Speaker 12: Yes?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, the punishment range, but he was thinking about the
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  Speaker 10: punishment range, right, So in the state of Georgia that
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  Speaker 10: had what they tried to fire as two to five
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  Speaker 10: or to twelve or five or fifteen stuff like that. Right,
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  Speaker 10: These are please plea offers. These are guidelines that the
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  Speaker 10: state can offer you, according to the Officer of the
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  Speaker 10: punishment authorized by laws here in Texas, any felling the
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  Speaker 10: week get five ninety nine to life. Okay, over there
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  Speaker 10: with you, man. It has to be a tech guideline
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  Speaker 10: of punishment range. Now, because he refused the text the
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  Speaker 10: clear pilty, they gave him some max which is like
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  Speaker 10: you say, for the armed robbery, twenty five years okay,
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  Speaker 10: and that case because nobody actually got shot or heard
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  Speaker 10: or killed anything like that, and that situation is twenty
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  Speaker 10: five years. Yeah, But had it been someone got hurt,
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  Speaker 10: up killed or something like that, it would have been
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  Speaker 10: like offense.
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  Speaker 5: How old.
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  Speaker 10: That you know, actually got com for twenty five years
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  Speaker 10: at the time of the commissions of the office.
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  Speaker 6: But this was his first offense.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: He never got in trouble mm hmm with the first offender.
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  Speaker 9: At They used that for the gun.
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  Speaker 8: They used that for the gun that was involved, but
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  Speaker 8: they couldn't use it for the armed robbery. If the
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  Speaker 8: judge would have did the armed robbery lessen than armed
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  Speaker 8: robbery something that's there by taking then they could have
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  Speaker 8: used the.
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  Speaker 7: First offense that but they couldn't use it for the
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  Speaker 7: armed robbery. They only used it for the gun charge.
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  Speaker 8: So they was charged both of them was charged with
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  Speaker 8: with the gun position of the gun and Robert for
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  Speaker 8: taking the book the backpack. And I also I even
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  Speaker 8: stand up and ask the judge like, why would y'all
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: go to the max of giving him twenty five years
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: of a first charge and nobody got killed? And it
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: was on a backpack when nothing in the backpack was
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: a bb gun, a bottle looking I believe on at
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: forty dollars that was inside the book bag. Now since
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: my son, my son been gone now by seven years,
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: so my son, I think what he really was doing
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: is trying to fight the case on his own. So
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: he was going back doing Havie's court, and he kept
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: he kept putting in Havie's court, but at the same time.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: They was having him in a mental uh evaluation.
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: So a lot of times when he was trying to
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: do that the heaviest court, the stuff would come back.
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: Then the judge then would deny everything. So he did
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: all the haavest court that he can do like he basically.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: Don't did all that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: So now we got to take it to another level
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: of getting a big time lawyer to try to fight
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: this case for him. Now at this point, by him
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: being in prison, they end up downnosed him with scriptsophrenia.
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: So now he's in uh they call it a medical
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: state prison. And it took me to actually prison. It
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: took me to go to the prison to find out
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: that something was going on with my son, and nobody noticed.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: Nobody in the prison didn't notice.
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: Anything was going on.
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: So when I went there, that's when.
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: The watering and everybody, I mean, they were blowing my
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: phone up.
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: I never thought that the war would me at nine
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: o'clock at night about my son, but the water was
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: l apologizing saying that they didn't know my son was
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: in a state of mind like that. So they end
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: up sending him to a medical prison where he had
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: to uh he had like four different doctors had to
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: v evaluate him to make.
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: Sure that's what they saying that he had, and they
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: end up saying that he.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: Had schizophrenic So now I'm fighting two different things now, fighting.
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: To make sure he you know, they don't mistreat him
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: because of his.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Medical condition, and also trying to fight at the same
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: time to you know, get his time cut at least
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: get it cut, cause I'm pretty sure they not gonna
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: release him like that, but just to try to, you know,
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: get his time cut. Blessed than twenty five years now.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: I did talk to.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: How It was a question that came up. Someone wanted
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: to know, how was your baby at the time of this.
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: At the time of this, at the.
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: Time, my son was seventeen, My son was seventeen, and
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: my sister son was fourteen fourteen. Yeah, he was fourteen,
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: and they waited.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: With my son.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: My sister SONATEDBC until he was seventeen, and that's when
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: they gave him adult charges. They waited until he turned
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: seventeen to give him fifteen years in prison.
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: So he went from YDC straight to prison.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Cornell wanted to jump in.
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: Go ahead, Cornell, right, yes, now, I'm just just plaiding
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: some very serious issues just right now. First of all,
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: man saying son was not even competence to even sends
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: all as adult You saying that your fund has meant
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: me inconsciousness to even in princip under the circumstance of
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: the law parties. And not only that they did not
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: give him a psychological evaluation, nor did you go testify,
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: nor did you because that any evidence of mitigating factors
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: unless you have and not only that he could have
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: gotten probation. Why because he's never committed a crisse and
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: because of this, ma'am, all of these teams being denied you,
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: you have a right right now to go back and
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: have your state evaluated. It. It's to from the fact
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: that he's meantly incompetent. You can't mean because you don't
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: know what he's doing, did he make the decision that
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: goes to the serio far But now for his attorneys
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: are ineffective scause the fact that their attorney's never even
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: contacted you to even question you about his nonical proccy.
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: So with that being said, ma'am, what you should do
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: is have someone to go back to take yourself to
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: that court out house and tell them people the another
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: court out that you want your son to have a
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: psychological evaluation, not only that the medical reports now and
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: that they that you want your son to be given
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: a new trial right now and to be playing medical
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: papacy hospital under his condition right now and they would
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: have to acknowledge that. Wow, because the court never done
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: no evaluation on him before we went to court, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: there's something they have to do.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was well.
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: Brought it up in court.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: He was already had mental issues before he went to prison,
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: and I brought it up to the DA. I brought
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: it up to the judge.
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: The DA told me if he could read and write,
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: they didn't use it against him.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: They say, if he can read and write, they never
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: used it against him.
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: Now, one lawyer told me before he went to court,
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: they told me, if my son would have got back
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: on medication or winning seeing a doctor dad, his case
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: can be closed.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: But my son refused it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: So Dan here, I.
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: Understand exactly what they're saying. They don't understanding it because
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: that happened right. The misu is that your sons should
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: have been evaluated it before he's even spt into a
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: courthouse and his lawyers should have raised his rough. It's
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: thought that you should have been brought up to testify
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: on behalf of your son's journ that he meant encompetent
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: and that he would have had doctors to tetify on
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: his behalf that he's not competent to stay bob off,
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: so that should have been done. So but this the
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: attorney the judge cannot say you can not have been
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: given a psychologically evaluation before job as a right now,
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: what you can do is you can petition right now
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: for your turn to be given a new tron based
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: of form mentally incompetent and you got doctors right there
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: that evaluate him and going to put your thank all
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: you have to do a file emotion for anusia on
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: psychological evaluation based up on this position that they would
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: have to honor that.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Get up John Pain right quick, because you you said Cornell,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: you said that she can go and she can protest
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: in the court right now. Is the court that's her
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: going to give her an appointed someone to represent him
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: or do she have to come out? Does she have
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: to pay for legal league on legal representations?
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: Okay? Now you can make a requel. Okay, the court
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: WoT hup attorney anyway? Why because he has to be
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: represented by an attorney and the attorney would have to
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: follow emotion which was request for a new based from
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: historyhalf for psychological evaluation. Why because he was departed of
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: the prison right file to trial, and that his attorney
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: with an effective because the attorney never brought this information
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: to the fourth attention, but he's brother to the fourth attention,
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: So because he can't bring it to the discal attorney's
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: detention and the judge of attention, it was them mandator
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: recuiting to make a request for him to be given
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: a psychological evaluation. But because they didn't do that, now
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: right now it makes a request for him to be
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: given that new trial based up on the impacts like that.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: So for now or you have to pay no money,
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: are you willing to assist Samaria? That's ma'am, I do it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: I will do it for her, ma'am. That's the truth, ma'am.
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: They've got to give you your son's psychological value, which
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: is because he's went, he can't please guilty, nor can
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: he make a decision to go to strass. And it's
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: evident now that hen could not the right to affect
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: the council while because his attorneys did not, he took
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: psychological evaluating on his gas. So with that band saying,
• 32:56
  Speaker 10: your son is basically can get a new trial right now.
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: So I would here with mister Listeret, and we would,
• 33:04
  Speaker 10: you know, get that information to you. Man, I'm a house.
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: This is safe for the facts. Pretty easy, man, it's easy.
• 33:10
  Speaker 10: I would send your application, get all you have to
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: take it to the court and follow it. That's all
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: you have to do. That's it. All I would need
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: is all she would need is the information from the
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: case trumb up and basically that's it. The room in
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: the courthouse, that's it. Everything helps him be automatically there
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: because the doctors will evaluate him right now. They would
• 33:31
  Speaker 10: have to make a statement right now showing that he's
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: literally encomfortable. And because of that, he was mainly encompata
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: back then. He was.
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: I even said over all his documents before mylcause my
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: son end up joining the military, but at the time
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: he only got he was he only got a chance
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: to do basic training. But I got him in the
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: military because I knew that would help him with his
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: behaviors and.
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: And stuff like that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: But even when I even when I dressed it with
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: four different lawyers, they was like they didn't want no
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: parts of it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: They told me, now, I did have one lawyer said
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: she would.
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: Take the case, but it was like thirty thousand almost
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: forty thousand dollars to take my son case. A couple
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: more people I even called lawyers that deal with people
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: with mental illness and all that, and all of them
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: I guess they went and read my son's case.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: They didn't want no parts of it. That was strange
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: to me. I don't know because of the judge.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: You know, It's.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Only thing I see I constantly see is his dollar sign.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: That's that's the only thing I see is dollar science.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: And with the juveniles, with the adults, it all everything
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: stems back to money.
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, everything steps back to money.
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: And well, I know, I know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: My pastor told me that he could get in the chamber,
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: he can go talk to the judge who actually sentence
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: my son. But the thing is, he told me, off rip,
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: if you ain't got no lawyer, if you ain't spending
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: no money, that's the first thing the judge is gonna
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: ask me when I go in there and talk to him.
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: He said, So, you want to make sure that you're
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: getting lawyer, even if even if you've got someone going
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: and doing what they call it when you go check
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: on somebody, what they call it, I can't think of it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: Actually someone that just goes I forgot what they call it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: I forgot it, but actually it's someone to go check
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: on him in prison, which is a lord.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I see.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: I see something coming up. Let's cut to a break
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: real quick, Andrew, can you play that the video?
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: When you walk into a facility, all that you see
• 36:44
  Speaker 13: is the sea of black and brown bodies.
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: Racial injustice is evident.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: You know, within these youth prisons, it's mostly African American males,
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: and it's obvious.
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: It's hard to try to argue that it's not a
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: racial justice issue.
• 36:58
  Speaker 13: You see these two white stop all of a sudden,
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: rushing into the room, all of us just standing there
• 37:02
  Speaker 13: and watching. You know, my friend who was African American,
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: you know, being beat down by the staff. I'm like,
• 37:07
  Speaker 13: why'd you go and do that? And he's like, what
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: do you care? He's like, at the end of the day, kid,
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: you're only here to pay my paycheck. In that moment,
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: I realized I was just seen as a dollar signed
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: to this man.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: I would define structural racism as a hierarchical inequity that
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: is characterized by white supremacy.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: If you have any questions about what structural racism looks
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: like I encourage you to walk into a juvenile prison
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: in America, talk to the black kids who are in
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: those facilities and ask them what their experience has been
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: in the juvenile justice system.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: When the Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery, it actually kept an
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: exception for people who were convicted of a criminal offense,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: and so the criminal justice system and the juvenile justice
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: system became a new vehicle for controlling the lives of
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: people of color.
• 38:19
  Speaker 14: After the Civil War ended and we saw this influx
• 38:22
  Speaker 14: of African Americans exercising what they deemed as their freedom,
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: immediately we saw institutions go up, these youth prisons be
• 38:30
  Speaker 14: built to house young black African American males.
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: Pulsty Emancipation Proclamation. You know, unfortunately, as a whole, as
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: a country, we thought it was our opportunity to do
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: away with racism. We thought it we'd gotten past that
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: particular issue. And through sharecropping, through Jim Crow, through segregation,
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: the drug epidemic, we find that, you know, society, especially
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: here in the US, we just reinvent that issue.
• 38:52
  Speaker 14: But it's almost like it was meant to be, Like,
• 38:55
  Speaker 14: at no point in our history would black males be
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: completely free.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: So Virginia is indeed the heart of the Confederacy. You
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: can walk down on the James River and stand in
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: the very place where black lives were bought and sold.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: You can walk the slave trails.
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: Some states highlight the fact that their institutions have been
• 39:14
  Speaker 14: around for hundreds of years, and I you know, that's
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: certainly like a slap in the face for our brown
• 39:20
  Speaker 14: and black allies. And I think it's it's disgusting that
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: a state would highlight the fact that their institution has
• 39:27
  Speaker 14: been around so long.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: In the heels of the end of slavery, the Beaumont
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Facility was built in eighteen ninety and when they began
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: incarcerating young people there, those young people had to work
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: the land much like slaves.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: New Jersey happened to be the last northern state to
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: abolish slavery. The New Jersey Training School for Boys open
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty seven. It's two years after emancipation. After
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: slaves would free, they put a process in place called
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: gradual emancipation, which meant that children who were born by
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: slave mothers had to work as indentured slaves until they
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: were young adults.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: In Kansas, we're also the state of Brown Verse Board
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of Education to be able to go just a few
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: miles from the Brown Verse Board of Education school building
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to the Kansas Juvenile Correctional Complex, our one remaining youth prison,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and walking in and seeing the racial disparities in that facility. Again,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: it's just difficult to walk away from that and not
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: feel like we have a special responsibility to fix this
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: and fix this quickly.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Our youth prisons were created at a time when human
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: bondage was legal, a time when whites were willing to
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: see blacks is less than human. Young people will come
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: into these facilities and leg irons and shackles. There's been
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: incidents of correctional officers actually hog tying. Some facilities use
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: something called a restraint chair. You know, everything that they do,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: they're being watched and they're being controlled, and they're being
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: deprived of their own agency and their own worth.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: When you look at some of the communities that are
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: the highest committing to the juvenile justice system, they are
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: imparverished communities. They are communities that are struggling economically, The
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: school systems are failing, and there is a lack of
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: hope and opportunity in those communities, and it is just
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: a reflection of the way blacks were treated when they
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: were first brought to this country on slave ships.
• 42:12
  Speaker 10: You wrote artical, yes hear you, mis h.
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm here speak to hear.
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: You, okay, ma'am. What's you do for yourself now? Right
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: now to your own investigation, the own investigation. First of
• 42:33
  Speaker 10: all us, get all the psychological reports that you can
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: from the doctors from the fertility that he's at interviewing
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: him right now, okay. And not only that, if you
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: can get his previous sister to deport he even went
• 42:47
  Speaker 10: to the gentile house for the the per to jail
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: on the case that he got with that information. Ma'am,
• 42:54
  Speaker 10: you didn't turn around and make an apple David saying
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: if you told his attorney, you told it ud and
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: you told the pistic attorney of how he number capacity
• 43:03
  Speaker 10: before he went to court, okay, and that they did
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: not give him a psychological evaluations. You make an appetatment
• 43:11
  Speaker 10: and you had it notarized. Now that's would be your
• 43:14
  Speaker 10: evidence right now, man, to get your son a new
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: file right now now, even though he has already found
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: eleven or seven a collinnel attacks on his conviction. Now
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: this process right now is classified as in doing discovered
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: information and evidence. Why because it has not been used.
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: Now the tistic attorney that's trying to come back and said,
• 43:36
  Speaker 10: what Kim mentioned at timing, we didn't see enough evidence
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: to work that he was a psychologically uh buss. Well
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: that's not for them to make that determination. That's a
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: doctor at the county tell has to make that determination
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: before he even goes to court. And that doctor has
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: to present reports just like a jubilation report took the judge,
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: and the judge makes that determination whether or not you
• 44:00
  Speaker 10: believe that your time was a metically confidence stole field.
• 44:04
  Speaker 10: So that's what people would have to do as of
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: right now. Man. As far as the information on how
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: few that stuff Man Bysinicsanette would be getting that information
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: to you, doing is possible man, okay, And no, ma'am,
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: you do not have to have an attorney, man, because
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: it's basically something to do like a hand on the
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: glad man. So you know, if you want to, you
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: can make a request from the appointment of an attorney.
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: But if that attorney too start will not do his job,
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: you would already have it already made. So that way,
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: all you would have to do is policy stuff.
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: Okay, Okay, I appreciate it.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: We're here for you, Samiria, and.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: We're gonna get this did because you know, we see
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: that we see the injustice in this.
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: Just looking at that.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: That that film that that we just showed, it does
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: something to you to see how our young black men are.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: But they face inside the juvenile system and also the prison.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: You know, we haven't even looked at the girls, see
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: how the young ladies are, how they handling it in
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: juvenile hall and or in the women's prisons.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: You know, we haven't even got over there.
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: So you know.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: My heart is heavy.
• 45:38
  Speaker 10: Okay, Well, ma'am, we're gonna June. Now, we're gonna go
• 45:42
  Speaker 10: ahead and have dressed the juvenile system as a hole. Okay,
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: Now I don't know if I have enough time like now,
• 45:48
  Speaker 10: but we were starting now how dressed in our juvenile
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: sisters as a hole? And did she have anything that
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: you want to presents to us law? We can go
• 45:56
  Speaker 10: ahead and mist see whatever you would have to pittess for.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, we got a few minutes and I
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: know Sami Samiria is hired cause she got to get
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: up early in the morning and she's three hours ahead
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: of us. So, Samiria, is any last words that you
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: want to say, anything that you would like to say.
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: Just to even watch that.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: Sorry, it was it's so, it was.
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: It was.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: It was hard for me to watch it. But you know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: I want to bring awareness. This is what our platform
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: is for. There's no ratio intentions. We want. I want
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: to let parents know what's going on in our juvenile system.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: I have four children. My son was in juve, he
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: went to juvenile hall, he went to prison.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: I have a daughter, you know, but I pray for my.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: And you know, my son, he transitioned last year. But
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: my daughter, oh my god, she did a totally three sixty.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: She started speaking on reforming the juvenile system. She would
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: travel to different states that she would speak out. You know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: we need people like that to get behind us so
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: we can make change. Don't talk about it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: Be about it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: And we come together and we all talking to the
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: same talker. We all want to applicate for the same thing,
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: and we come together.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: And we come together. Just think what we can do
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: if we all come together.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: But right now, we're all separate, So we're not really
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: making a big impact on the justice system. But if
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: we come together, we can kick down some doors, we
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: can make our voices will be heard. But we have
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: to come together. We got to start being okay, we
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: got to start being little Indians. Everybody want to be
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: a chief, but we need some people that's that's gonna
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: be behind the chief. Everybody can't be a chief all
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: the time. Look what's happening to our young black.
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: And brown men?
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, how do we keep them from going in there?
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: If you look in our neighborhoods, there's a liquor store
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: on every corner. Now, all of a sudden, California don't
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: legalize marijuana. So now we got dispensaries all over the place.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: You can be driving down the street, that's now because
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: you and you know the dispensary is right there. And
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: that's in our communities. Now let's go into their communities.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: Do we see liquor stores.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: On every corner?
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: No?
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: Do we see a lot of the histories. If it is,
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: they may be hidden or up.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: Under different aims. How come it's only in our community?
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: How come.
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: Are we that?
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, do we want more for our children or
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: we just want them just like just to fall by
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: the waist because I want more for them. You know,
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: my kids are grown, My son is not here. So
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: my fight is for my four grandchildren, my four grandsons
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: that's still here, my cousins, even people I don't know.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: My fight is for your children.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: We have to come together. We got to stand withhold
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: the shoulder with moms like Shamiria.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: And other mothers. We've got to show.
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: We got to let them know that we're not playing
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: about our children. A lot of people, I don't play
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: it by my children, Then let's get together. If you
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: don't play, let's all get together and make our voices heard.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: Playtime is over, people, playtime is over. We getting ready
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: to go. We getting ready to vote a new president
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: in next week, whether it'll be we get a first
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: woman or we get the person we had before. Make
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: your voice heard. When the judges is up for election,
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: I think some of the judges is up. Don't go
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: in there just marking it down because they're a Democrat
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: or whatever. You do your research on that judge and
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: see how tough they are on the juvenile and where.
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: They stand the DA.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: You do your research on all of them. Just go
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: listen to your friend, are your grandmother? Oh, we're gonna
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: just vote. We've been voting Republican or Democrats. That that's
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: what the family has been voting all these years, and
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: we're gonna stick with it.
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: No, go do your research.
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: See where these people stand with these laws on the justice.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: See what they standing because this is and I'm just
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: gonna say this because this is in my spirit.
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: Spirit.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: If Donald Trump can say say stuff, I can say stuff.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: I can say something to the clansmen ain't gone. Some
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: of them are sitting on the benches. You people, you
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: better wake up up and you better look read look
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: at look at them judges that's sitting on them benches.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: You got judges that will follow one child to adult
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: court and give them forty eight to double life and
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: it's not a homicide connected to it. When are we
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: gonna wake up? Cornell's you bet.
• 53:34
  Speaker 10: Well?
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: Yes lam, yes, ma'am.
• 53:36
  Speaker 10: Well, it's oh your flam. We have more we class
• 53:39
  Speaker 10: suppliers traditional and partiality within our criminals. We have judges, ma'am,
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: connective the district attorneys and connectives and lawyers because they
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: have what they classify as a judge donation campaign. These
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: individuals donation to these judges campaigns lam. But therefore these
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: judges are signing these individuals juveniles and defendant attorneys who
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: they know are going to help them secure conviction. So
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: with that being said, now we have a dysfunction of
• 54:06
  Speaker 10: criminal justice system again uniting the state plan. And look
• 54:10
  Speaker 10: at that being said, ma'am, you know I was speaking
• 54:13
  Speaker 10: basically about the juvenile system. The juvene our system now
• 54:16
  Speaker 10: is basically a system where even is a dubernole child
• 54:20
  Speaker 10: and charge of acquire capital the punt and under the
• 54:23
  Speaker 10: circumstances when they are questioned by a criminal detective, they
• 54:28
  Speaker 10: are lacking the parents, they are lacking an attorney to
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: advise them of their rights to remain palid and because
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: these kids are not given the tunes available to them
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: to remain silent, to be advised to remain silent, these
• 54:41
  Speaker 10: detectives are taking a.
• 54:45
  Speaker 11: The kids.
• 54:46
  Speaker 10: What these kids are doing. Some of them are admitting
• 54:48
  Speaker 10: to participating in a criminal offense knowing that not knowing
• 54:52
  Speaker 10: that they're going to get a capital rife simers and
• 54:54
  Speaker 10: these kids are being rare of wik about these doctors
• 54:57
  Speaker 10: who are being used by the county jails and the
• 55:00
  Speaker 10: jurgis to certified the ex kids as adults and fold
• 55:04
  Speaker 10: as to stand chad as adults. So with have be
• 55:07
  Speaker 10: instead man here it is in our criminal justice system,
• 55:10
  Speaker 10: a doctor is supposed to make a determination whether or
• 55:14
  Speaker 10: not an individual child is comforting enough and has a
• 55:18
  Speaker 10: minor capacity to commit a client and to know that
• 55:23
  Speaker 10: the crimes committed it is right or wrong client. But
• 55:26
  Speaker 10: the juveniles don't have the capacity to make that rationale
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: while because they mind has not forty developed and a
• 55:34
  Speaker 10: lot of these kids are being taken advantage of Why
• 55:37
  Speaker 10: because we have adults encourage and these kids to commit
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: a client or these kids are being encouraged and commit
• 55:43
  Speaker 10: crimes and gains man. So with that being said, a
• 55:47
  Speaker 10: psychological evaluations, a doctor is certified this kid to say yes,
• 55:51
  Speaker 10: he's mentally competent enough to stand FOB as an adult,
• 55:55
  Speaker 10: but he fails to realize that the information that's needed
• 55:58
  Speaker 10: it to make that determined nation is not in the records.
• 56:02
  Speaker 10: Some of these kids have medical mental issues. Some of
• 56:05
  Speaker 10: these kids are being drawing by our thots to connect
• 56:07
  Speaker 10: requiremes and some of these kids do not fully understand right.
• 56:11
  Speaker 10: The more so that information not being in the files
• 56:14
  Speaker 10: round the records that ain't complete, but the jedges are
• 56:17
  Speaker 10: still certifying these kids to stand trial as adults. So
• 56:21
  Speaker 10: when they get to the tenstic court, they slip the
• 56:24
  Speaker 10: whole program around and turn it into allow of parties
• 56:27
  Speaker 10: in some cases or if not in most cases. So
• 56:31
  Speaker 10: when the kids sit to the district court, now the.
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: He's lost the song.
• 56:36
  Speaker 10: Tonsent evidence of the law of parties. So now the
• 56:39
  Speaker 10: lawyers is encouraging these kids to pre empty to capitalize
• 56:43
  Speaker 10: sentences under the impression that if you don't please guilty,
• 56:47
  Speaker 10: you will get the death percy. But the kids don't
• 56:50
  Speaker 10: realize that they clean guilty under allowed parties with a
• 56:53
  Speaker 10: troforable middle state not being presented. It because if I
• 56:57
  Speaker 10: commit the crime and you didn't commit the crime, now
• 56:59
  Speaker 10: there's no way that a court can take you to
• 57:02
  Speaker 10: court first. It didn't take me to court sec wow,
• 57:05
  Speaker 10: because there's no coporable minial state established to prove beyond
• 57:08
  Speaker 10: a reasonable doubt that you have committed the claim. Therefore,
• 57:13
  Speaker 10: the court to aline of these kids to please guilty
• 57:15
  Speaker 10: and to go to trial and get convicted of capital
• 57:17
  Speaker 10: life sentences now without coupable middal estate, which is the
• 57:22
  Speaker 10: Eighth Amendments violations and has been a proven fact that
• 57:26
  Speaker 10: kids are not really competent and that their minds is
• 57:29
  Speaker 10: not forty developments. So now in the United States, now
• 57:33
  Speaker 10: we have all these children, our Sidney facilitai man who
• 57:36
  Speaker 10: have not been given the develop it of being properly
• 57:40
  Speaker 10: psychological evaluated. Because now that's a violation of the Eighth Amendments.
• 57:45
  Speaker 10: Because that's where we're at right now. The most of
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: these cases are from pleasing guilty and the Texas law
• 57:51
  Speaker 10: park well the net law party Texas. But in the
• 57:55
  Speaker 10: United States, man, So with that being said, now we
• 57:58
  Speaker 10: need to say hope participate lawmakers to change the laws
• 58:03
  Speaker 10: and to recognize the differences and principals and party liability
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: if a juvenile did not pull the trigger, but if
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: a juvenile is just sitting on the sideline, we should
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: not retrieve a capital life those as a tripper person did.
• 58:18
  Speaker 10: And they need to make sure that these kids are
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: actually given the proper psychological evaluation and that they can
• 58:25
  Speaker 10: confront the psychologists who kids about evaluations. So that's where
• 58:29
  Speaker 10: we had right there.
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: With that, now, so we got four minutes left.
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: I said, my little skill and I know Samiria is
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: tired and for the I'm gonna let you close out
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: this show this evening. First, let me just say thank
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: you Samiria for.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: Coming on this evening with us.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: And like I said, we're gonna be there. I'm gonna
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: get the information from Cornell and I will get it
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: over to you as soon as possible.
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: And I'm with you.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: I'm in this fight with you because twenty five years
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: that's too long. That's too long, and it's not connect
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: That's what they've given people for homicides is twenty five years.
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: Sometimes they only get ten years, you know, and that
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: and that's crazy, you know. So Cornell, thank you again,
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: Sramiria for joining us this evening. Cornell, yes, ma'am, you
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: can close it out.
• 59:55
  Speaker 10: Okay, Well, thanks you for listening here, ma'am. Thanks you
• 59:57
  Speaker 10: taking listen, ergy for coming off, help listening, man to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 10: the shown to talk about it and talk and let's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 10: talk about the sholds listening. But we see looking but
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 10: the suit. That's some accountability man. So with that being said,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 10: we're here to address issues of anyone's case or anyone situation,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 10: and not only that, we're here to encourage people to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: stand up and have the boys nerve to come out
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: and go in both seek you just stay representative that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 10: your cientizens and legislators and lawmakers. And after that's these
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 10: judges will commit these violations of them. Stops here. It's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 10: not a racial thing. This is a United States uh
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: nuglicial focess that's out of controls. We have a broken
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 10: criminal justice. But we need to take out how to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 10: fix it. But if we don't say anything, how can
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 10: we fix something that we're not speaking about. So with
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 10: that being said, I to appreciate y'all coming on, appreciation off,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 10: positioning in and the best thing we can do is
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 10: to stand up and have rescisitions that's affecting and expecting.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: I'm coming justices. And with that, mound, I want to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 10: say thank y'all t there next time about of not
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 10: and uh okay, you very much have him drunk, then take.
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  Speaker 4: You make.
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  Speaker 6: And and don't forget for now to drink. They want
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: to drink your.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: Water, mine own things, your way, and mind your own fi.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: Can good evening.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: H m hm.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: H m hm
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: Mm hmm