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BONUS: Wired To Hunt’s Rut Radio 11/16/16 · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Alright, what's up, guys and girls. This is Mark Kenyon
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Speaker 1: of Wired Hunt and you're here for what I believe
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Speaker 1: is our fifth episode of Wired Hunt's Rut Radio and
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Speaker 1: with me is our producer Spencer new Hearth Hi doon Man. Good. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Excited to see the photos that you had from Ohio there? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: maya my rut excitement finally turned on. I finally had
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Speaker 1: something good happened during the rut um and filled the
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Speaker 1: tagon Ohio. So that was exciting. I It's been kind
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Speaker 1: of a grind this past three weeks or so really
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Speaker 1: since we started recording this little mini series. I've been
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Speaker 1: hunting every single possible day I could, and lots of
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Speaker 1: close calls as you know, but just couldn't quite close
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Speaker 1: a deal till till this past Sunday. So how good
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Speaker 1: do you think the dear activity was there when when
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Speaker 1: you were in Ohio? Because talking to my context this week,
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Speaker 1: it's like the best of times and it's the worst
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Speaker 1: of times because lockdown might be upon it. So what
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Speaker 1: did you see in Ohio? Yeah? I would say that's
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Speaker 1: That's what I was experiencing, was that worst of times. Um,
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Speaker 1: it was deathly, deathly slow. Um. I hunted five full days, um,
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Speaker 1: and four and a half of those days, you know,
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Speaker 1: hunting the entire day, every hour of the daylight was
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Speaker 1: just dead. I mean I was seeing like two deer
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Speaker 1: a day, you know, in twelve hours, I see two
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Speaker 1: total deer, three total deer, a spike, a forky yearling dough. Um.
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Speaker 1: It was really really tough. UM. No chasing, no real cruising.
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Speaker 1: I think I saw I saw two bucks that were
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Speaker 1: two or three years old, maybe um, off in the
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Speaker 1: distance the first day and the second day, um, and
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Speaker 1: they were kind of cruising, I guess. But that was
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Speaker 1: basically the extent of the running activity I saw until
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Speaker 1: that very last night, when I finally did see a
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Speaker 1: buck on a dough and was able to call him
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Speaker 1: in to my decoy actually and kill him over a decoy.
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Speaker 1: So that was cool, um. But it was one of
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Speaker 1: the situations where you just had to just power through it,
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Speaker 1: just grind through the slow times, and I just kept
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Speaker 1: telling myself it can change in any second if you
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Speaker 1: just stay out here. It's the rut, it can change anytime.
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Speaker 1: And uh, finally it did one thing that I didn't
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Speaker 1: discuss it all with any of the context this week
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Speaker 1: was the moon situation. We had the supermoon here, um,
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Speaker 1: and I'm curious if you noticed anything with that. You know,
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Speaker 1: I went out hunting this morning and we're past the
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Speaker 1: supermoon now, but the moon was so bright, like I
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Speaker 1: had a definitive crisp shadow on the ground and it
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Speaker 1: was crazy like it it was really eye opening that
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Speaker 1: those deer could move all night super efficiently. Did you
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Speaker 1: notice anything in Ohio that might have been moon related?
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Um, I've heard so many
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Speaker 1: different theories on the moon. You know, there's the there's
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Speaker 1: the one theory that says during the full moon there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be less daylight movement because of what you just said,
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Speaker 1: because it's so bright at night. You know, they'll move
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Speaker 1: more in the daylight and bed down, or they move
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Speaker 1: more at night bed down during the day light. Then
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of other guys who say that's complete hogwash.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Mark Drewry's one guy who says that's completely
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Speaker 1: not true. He thinks that the very best movement every
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Speaker 1: year or every month is around the full moon. The
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Speaker 1: few days living up to the full moon he believes
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Speaker 1: are going to be great for evening activity a few
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Speaker 1: days after the full moon. Who believes our best for
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Speaker 1: morning activity? UM? So, I don't know. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what's what's what, but I kind of try to pay
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Speaker 1: attention to it to see if I can correlate any
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Speaker 1: of my own observations to those kinds of theories. But
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Speaker 1: at this point, I think, UM, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: necessarily have any real profound UM I guess realizations. So
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Speaker 1: I don't know. That maybe could have been why the
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Speaker 1: movement was slow, but I think more likely it was
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Speaker 1: just that lockdown period UM had really put a lot
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Speaker 1: of those bigger deer down with dose. There was some
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Speaker 1: increased hunting pressure around our property to UM different than
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Speaker 1: other years that I wonder if maybe just had a
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Speaker 1: general negative impact on deer movement. UM. So, those are
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Speaker 1: a couple of things that I think maybe influence what
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Speaker 1: I was seeing. But from a lot of guys I'm hearing,
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Speaker 1: it does seem like that lockdown is happening for a
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Speaker 1: lot of people. And I think in that kind of situation,
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Speaker 1: at least from my perspective, you need to go into
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Speaker 1: those hunts knowing that it's going to be relatively slower,
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Speaker 1: that you'd like it to be during the run. You know,
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of dead time, But like
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Speaker 1: I said, it can change in a flash. I mean,
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Speaker 1: those bucks are going to be coming off of doze
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Speaker 1: every once in a while and they're gonna be looking
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Speaker 1: for new ones. And you just need to be out
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Speaker 1: there and already when that big boy does roll through.
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Speaker 1: If you're too busy bumming out or playing on your
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Speaker 1: cell phone or whatever and you're not paying attention when
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Speaker 1: that one opportunity does show up, well then there goes
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Speaker 1: your whole season or your trip or whatever it might be.
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Speaker 1: So I think my big takeaway for this time of
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Speaker 1: year is just to try to stay focused, try to
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Speaker 1: stay positive, because eventually good things should happen. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: the reports this week sounded very similar to like what
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Speaker 1: we were hearing in I don't know, mid October. You know,
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Speaker 1: it can be great, Like I think somebody told me
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Speaker 1: it was an in entertain and then the next person
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Speaker 1: told me it was like a three or four, And
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Speaker 1: so I just gotta be out there, you know, I guess,
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Speaker 1: And it could switch at any time. Yeah. Yeah, Now
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Speaker 1: what about you, what kind of rut activity have you seen?
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Speaker 1: In South Dakota. So I'm in the Black Hills right now,
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Speaker 1: which is the very western part of South Dakota. It's
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Speaker 1: it's very different white tail hunting here because you're in
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Speaker 1: like what is typical elk country, and so there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of white tails, um, but they do act slightly different.
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Speaker 1: There's not much for agriculture here, and so the food
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Speaker 1: sources are sporadic and stuff like that, and signmaking is sporadic.
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Speaker 1: They don't do much for scrapes and rubs. But the
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Speaker 1: bucks that I have been seeing have been chasing really hard.
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Speaker 1: And I think with this cold front coming, uh, it's
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Speaker 1: it's gonna get really really good. And then I'm just
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Speaker 1: imagining beyond that it's gonna like fall off the table lockdown.
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Speaker 1: If it's not already here. It's definitely this time of year,
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Speaker 1: give or take a few days or a week or so,
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Speaker 1: around most parts of the country, you're gonna start to
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Speaker 1: see that kind of thing happening. Peak breeding tends to
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Speaker 1: peak around this this part of the month for at
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Speaker 1: least the northern half or two thirds of the country. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you'll hear some of that on on our podcast
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Speaker 1: this week. We have a variety of reports, and we
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Speaker 1: started off with Ron Spolmer with Winchester's World of white
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Speaker 1: Tail and he has a report from Idaho, and then
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Speaker 1: John Armand of North Dakota with Ultimate Outdoor Adventures TV.
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Speaker 1: And then we go to Wisconsin and talk to Derrick
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Speaker 1: Nelson from Matthews Archery, and then we have Matt Jury
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Speaker 1: and Missouri from Drewy Outdoors. Nice. All right? Well, uh
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Speaker 1: should we should we quit beating around the bush and
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Speaker 1: just get to these reports? Yeah? Definitely, between you and
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Speaker 1: a couple of our contexts. This week there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of inches of antler that hit the ground. Nice. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear about it. All right, have a
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Speaker 1: good old mark you too. But quickly before we get
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Speaker 1: the show, all right, Enjoining me on the line first
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Speaker 1: is Ron Spomer, freelance writer and photographer, and you can
7:18
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7:22
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7:27
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7:29
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7:33
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Speaker 1: and recoil levels, trajectory, realistic, you name it. If a
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Speaker 1: white tail is that, it's in there. Sure. Well here's
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Speaker 1: something white tails that we have not talked about you
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Speaker 1: in the podcast, and that's the very western white tails
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Speaker 1: like in Idaho. So on a scale of one to ten,
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Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity has been there recently? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's a little bit. It's slow. The weather
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Speaker 1: has been extraordinarily warm, haven't even had a frost yet.
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Speaker 1: So I observed two bucks showing some routing activity. One
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Speaker 1: was a good three year old four by four and
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Speaker 1: he gave the bums rush to a couple of dos,
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Speaker 1: pushed some otoesome cover and then lipt girls. So he
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Speaker 1: was trying, but I kind of expect that from a
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Speaker 1: younger buck. The older buck I saw, and this was
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Speaker 1: a good spot to five year old bucks from what
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Speaker 1: I could tell, had him in this bonding scope a
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Speaker 1: pretty eye power. He was a five by five with
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Speaker 1: an extra point off of one time. So it was
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Speaker 1: a beautiful one fifty one sixty class buck and he
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Speaker 1: was not showing any interest in the doves. There was
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Speaker 1: a dough close to him with a fawn and he
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Speaker 1: was just proposing a little bit snooping around. Now, he
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Speaker 1: may have been working that dough in some brush before
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Speaker 1: I saw him. I had for about a minute in
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Speaker 1: an opening at about nine hundred yards, and then he
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Speaker 1: disappeared into the brush and never came out again all morning.
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Speaker 1: And there were those in the area, so I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: if he'd have been running, he'd have been after those doughs.
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Speaker 1: So would you say the rut is a little bit
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Speaker 1: later than this year. Yeah, you know, the ruts are
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Speaker 1: always determined by the sun, but I think it gets
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Speaker 1: influenced by a few days based on the temperature. I'm
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Speaker 1: not one of the guys just as well. I'm waiting
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Speaker 1: for cool snap for the rug to start, because that's
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Speaker 1: just set off by the by the sun and the
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Speaker 1: daylight hours. So around the tents through the fifteenth of
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Speaker 1: Novembers will not usually see the bucks end of the
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Speaker 1: chase phase when that first dough comes into eat and
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Speaker 1: it really start getting after him. Then the main breeding
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Speaker 1: I think happens from about the fifteenth through Thanksgiving, and
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Speaker 1: after that it starts to taper off pretty quickly, so
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Speaker 1: they could break any time. Sure, And so are you
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Speaker 1: still seeing some signmaking? And you know, are they still
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Speaker 1: active with scrapes and rubs right now? We're not. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I never saw a single scrape or rub.
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Speaker 1: It's not unusual where I huh um, he's Idaho mountain
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Speaker 1: deer are not as quite as traditional as down at
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Speaker 1: home deer you're used to do in the Plain States.
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Speaker 1: For instance, in the Midwest, they will often migrate several
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Speaker 1: river valleys in winter, the moss the mountains and across
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Speaker 1: a valley that go up the next mountain drop into
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Speaker 1: the next valley. So that usually happens when the snow
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Speaker 1: gets during the rut. So even if they're scrape they
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Speaker 1: might not be in their territory. Didn't do anything about
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Speaker 1: that's great. So I'm generally just glass hunting, as if
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Speaker 1: I were looking, you will do. I'm not really paying
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Speaker 1: it that much attention to sign. But along the logging
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Speaker 1: roads and things where I was hiking, and I was
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Speaker 1: doing about three miles a day down in these canyons.
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Speaker 1: I never saw a single rub or a single scrape.
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Speaker 1: And so if you don't get that traditional signmaking, what
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Speaker 1: about for your traditional calling, you're grunting, rattling stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: Is is that in play in Idaho? Yeah, I've had
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Speaker 1: good luck rattling bucks up here, grunting and all the
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Speaker 1: rest of them. It's just you can't depend on territorial
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Speaker 1: signs necessarily to locate them. Now. They're probably is some
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Speaker 1: on the other side of the canyon where this really
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Speaker 1: big buck was, because it was a really dense cover area,
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Speaker 1: and I see big bucks over there every year. I've
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Speaker 1: been hunting this place for about five or six years,
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Speaker 1: and I know it's a good hot area, but it's
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Speaker 1: a real difficult place to get into because it's so
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Speaker 1: steep and rocky all around it. You have to make
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Speaker 1: a major climb down one side of the canyon five
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Speaker 1: feet at the bottom across the creek, and then go
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Speaker 1: up the other side almost to the top. So I
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Speaker 1: don't go over there unless I've really got a feeling
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Speaker 1: I can get a drop on a bucket because it
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Speaker 1: covers so thick, So I usually wait until that ruts broken.
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Speaker 1: If I were going out there this weekend. I would
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Speaker 1: cross over there and rattle on it that I could
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Speaker 1: get that guy in. I could have probably gotten him
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Speaker 1: this weekend with a rattle because he's looking for something
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Speaker 1: to do in the doad weren't ready yet, but I
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Speaker 1: didn't have enough time to cross that canyon. I had
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Speaker 1: to get out of there. My hunt was over in
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Speaker 1: two hours, so it would have taken me three hours
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Speaker 1: just to get to him. Sus it sounds like you
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Speaker 1: think the best hunting is yet to come that area.
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Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, what do you
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Speaker 1: think the buck activity will be there in this coming
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Speaker 1: week boy, I think by this weekend it's going to
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Speaker 1: be pushing nine. I would be surprised if it wasn't.
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Speaker 1: I would definitely get up there to Hottie if I
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Speaker 1: weren't having to go to Nebraska for another hunt right now. Sure, well,
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Speaker 1: I I hope you can get back there in time
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Speaker 1: and maybe catch some of that action. So thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining me on the phone. Run hey, my pleasure. Good
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Speaker 1: luck with your hands and joining us on the line.
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Speaker 1: Next is John Armand of Ultimate Outdoor Adventures TV. Now, John,
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Speaker 1: I've seen on the Facebook page your team has had
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Speaker 1: an incredible last week on a scale of one to ten.
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Speaker 1: What do you think the bucket activity has been then?
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Speaker 1: And would you tell us about those hunts? Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: would say that you know, we have we were hunting
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Speaker 1: south central North Dakota and on our place, UM, I
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Speaker 1: would say our buck activity was probably a seven UM
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Speaker 1: to and a nine UM. We have. Our place consists
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Speaker 1: of big draws um some river bottoms, and it seems
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Speaker 1: even with the above average temperature UM our bucks were
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Speaker 1: cruising pretty much all day long. And my other team
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Speaker 1: member who was east about two hundred miles on some
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Speaker 1: flat ground, would probably put his buck activity at a
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Speaker 1: two UM. He said it's probably the worst he's ever seen.
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Speaker 1: The rut activity, he said, a few smaller bucks that
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Speaker 1: were sniffing around, but all the big boys he had
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Speaker 1: on camera, he was still getting on camera, but it
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Speaker 1: wasn't seeing any rut activity whatsoever. The deer he ended
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Speaker 1: up taking UM a hundred five by five UM was
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Speaker 1: actually chasing the dough and that's how he killed it.
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Speaker 1: But he said it was kind of slow out east.
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Speaker 1: And so you saying it's, you know, like a nine,
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Speaker 1: and your buddy saying it's a two. What do you
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Speaker 1: think the big differences there on on why the such
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Speaker 1: a great variation. You know, the only thing I can
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Speaker 1: think of was that, know, we're fortunate where we the
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Speaker 1: property we have, we have these draws that they kind
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Speaker 1: of intertwined and connect um. So these deer can you know,
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Speaker 1: it seems like just cruising those areas, um, and they
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Speaker 1: feel pretty safe because they'll cross from draw to drop.
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Speaker 1: But it's not a long stretch of open country and
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Speaker 1: where he's at, he's pretty much flatland where it is
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Speaker 1: just um bare ground crop land and some slews. And
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Speaker 1: you know, he said, unless he gets super um wound up,
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Speaker 1: he said, you just don't see a lot of the deer.
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Speaker 1: And he just said it was one of those things,
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Speaker 1: he said, he can't really explain. It's just one of
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Speaker 1: those um times that the activity um was not good
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Speaker 1: for him. And I was expecting him to tag out
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Speaker 1: right away because he had four or five mature deer
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Speaker 1: on camera that were on daylight hours. And again for us,
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Speaker 1: we we got lucky. We killed two deer that we
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Speaker 1: have not had on camera. Um. One of them we
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Speaker 1: haven't had on camera since last December, and um we've
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Speaker 1: killed them both in the same area on the river
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Speaker 1: bottom UM where they can kind of cruise UM. The
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Speaker 1: one stretch of woods that we have, it's um, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of a bigger chunk. And we got both of
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Speaker 1: them in the same area, probably within um a couple
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Speaker 1: hundred yards of each other, and still hunting more of
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Speaker 1: your stereotypical pasture land. Like it sounds like that you're in.
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Speaker 1: What techniques are you using there this time of year,
15:31
Speaker 1: if you're doing any calling, are you hunting over any
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Speaker 1: sign of what's going on there? Well, for us, what
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Speaker 1: we do is we sit on vantage points and just
15:40
Speaker 1: in the areas that we've been hunting this piece of
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Speaker 1: property ours um, you know for thirty years, and we
15:47
Speaker 1: know the food sources and the deer going out UM
15:51
Speaker 1: in the evenings and going to these food sources and
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Speaker 1: then they come back in pretty much in the same areas.
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Speaker 1: And because we have these big draws UM, we just
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Speaker 1: sit advantage points and we're just looking for bucks cruising
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Speaker 1: and UM and then sometimes we'll catch them even if
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Speaker 1: they're locked down, we're able to spot them and make
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Speaker 1: our move on them. And the other gentleman out east
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Speaker 1: where it's really flat land, I'm kind of doing the
16:17
Speaker 1: same thing, hunting some food sources and they can do
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Speaker 1: a little bit more calling and radeline. But again he
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Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of success up there with that.
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Speaker 1: But the report, I just talked to a buddy of mine, UM,
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Speaker 1: another team member who's um in between, you know, he's
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Speaker 1: probably a hundred fifty miles east of us, and he
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Speaker 1: said that yesterday that it seemed like they were at
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Speaker 1: activity for him, just turned on and they were struggling
16:44
Speaker 1: the first week and a half also, And so what
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Speaker 1: about going forward here in this next week or so,
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Speaker 1: what do you think the Buck ACTV is going to
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Speaker 1: be then? On a scale of one to ten, well,
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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna I think. Um, I'm hoping we're
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Speaker 1: gonna be at a ten because we have a cold
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Speaker 1: snap coming in. It's us to drop um on Thursday evening,
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Speaker 1: Um all weekend. We'll have a chance of snow and
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Speaker 1: there's a front coming through and UM, I think that
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Speaker 1: could um. You know, he sings up quite a bit
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Speaker 1: just giving these um, these deer, you know, the conditions
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Speaker 1: they liked a little colder so they can be going
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Speaker 1: all day long. And from the activity that we've had,
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Speaker 1: it's been on a steady in plane. And for them
17:24
Speaker 1: guys out east where it's been pretty dead, but now
17:27
Speaker 1: they have bumped it up a notch. They're thinking that
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be hitting it just right for the last
17:32
Speaker 1: weekend of the season for rifle. Well, congrats on the
17:36
Speaker 1: awesome last week. You've had John of Antler between three guys.
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Speaker 1: That's uh, that's an incredible week of hunting. So we'll
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Speaker 1: stay in touch and thanks for your time. All right, buddy,
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Speaker 1: thank you and good luck to you guys all and
17:50
Speaker 1: joining us on the line next is Derek Nelson, the
17:52
Speaker 1: content manager for Matthews Archery. Now, Derek in Wisconsin, what
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Speaker 1: would you say the buck activity has been there on
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Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten um, I would have
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Speaker 1: to put it out about a six um as of
18:06
Speaker 1: as of lately kind of the consensus. I've been talking
18:09
Speaker 1: to a lot of the guys you know, HQ have
18:11
Speaker 1: been hitting it really hard lately and um, you know,
18:15
Speaker 1: sitting all day and really not seeing mature deer on
18:18
Speaker 1: their feet. Um, for the most part, there's been you
18:22
Speaker 1: know a good number of people who are still getting
18:24
Speaker 1: nighttime photos of deer and seeing some younger bucks cruising
18:28
Speaker 1: during the day. But for the most part, it's been
18:31
Speaker 1: a slower rut. Um. It kind of seems like across
18:35
Speaker 1: the board for a lot of the guys. And so
18:38
Speaker 1: do you think that we're in lockdown right now? We're
18:40
Speaker 1: we coming up on that, yet it certainly seems like it. Um.
18:45
Speaker 1: You know, just the fact that you know, when people
18:48
Speaker 1: are seeing big deer, they're seeing them like pending a
18:51
Speaker 1: dough and really not not moving around much. Um. And
18:55
Speaker 1: you know that's obviously affecting. You know, it's a lot
18:59
Speaker 1: of reason why people aren't seeing them moving around, you know,
19:02
Speaker 1: when they when they do see them there, they're pretty
19:04
Speaker 1: stationary and staying in a pretty small core area with
19:07
Speaker 1: a dough. And you know, the bucks that we are
19:09
Speaker 1: seeing are the small ones kind of bouncing around trying
19:12
Speaker 1: to pick some off. But um, yeah, it's been it's
19:15
Speaker 1: been pretty tough, right and in that area. You know,
19:19
Speaker 1: if you think we are in the lockdown phase like
19:21
Speaker 1: right now, how aggressive are guys? Are they still going
19:24
Speaker 1: after these bucks harder? Are they taking a break for
19:27
Speaker 1: a little bit and waiting for gun season to open? Um? Yeah,
19:30
Speaker 1: I mean most obviously, the most of the guys that
19:32
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm tight with and work with are
19:34
Speaker 1: pretty aggressive and are trying to be getting out there
19:37
Speaker 1: and fill this tag before gun season hits. Um. You know,
19:41
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, we've got one of the like like the
19:45
Speaker 1: nation's largest militia on an opening day of rifle season.
19:48
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are still trying to get
19:51
Speaker 1: that tag filled before kind of the masses come out
19:54
Speaker 1: and you know, a lot of good deer end up
19:56
Speaker 1: getting shot. Um, But a lot of people, um, you
20:00
Speaker 1: know that I've been tight with are really trying to
20:02
Speaker 1: right as as close as they can get to some
20:04
Speaker 1: dough betting areas too, you know, kind of up there
20:07
Speaker 1: chances of catching one of those those you know, mature
20:09
Speaker 1: bucks that's locked down with a dough in those areas.
20:12
Speaker 1: And you know, we've we've had a couple of guys
20:16
Speaker 1: have encounters, but it's definitely been down this year kind
20:19
Speaker 1: of across the board, right. And so if the buck
20:22
Speaker 1: activity is down right now, does the signmaking show that, like,
20:26
Speaker 1: are the scrapes still active and still seeing robs that
20:29
Speaker 1: are getting hit right now? Um? A lot of the
20:32
Speaker 1: scrapes that have been pretty active for you know, for
20:36
Speaker 1: most of the year have seemed to shut down in
20:38
Speaker 1: the last you know, week and a half to two
20:40
Speaker 1: weeks from what I've seen. UM, you know, I had
20:44
Speaker 1: a one of my one of my good buddies had
20:46
Speaker 1: you know, a scrape that he had like consistent mature
20:49
Speaker 1: gear on um, you know up until, like I said,
20:52
Speaker 1: a week and a half ago, and they've kind of disappeared.
20:55
Speaker 1: In the last couple of weeks, He's had a few
20:57
Speaker 1: a few bucks show up that he hadn't you know,
21:00
Speaker 1: hasn't really seen it all the whole season. UM, and
21:03
Speaker 1: you know, just been cruising through, which is expected for
21:05
Speaker 1: the rut. You know that it kind of always happens.
21:07
Speaker 1: You have you have deer pop up that you've never
21:09
Speaker 1: seen before. But um, most of the scrape activity and
21:14
Speaker 1: you know, rub activities kind of stimmered down the last week.
21:17
Speaker 1: They kind of you know, shifted dot though there's so
21:20
Speaker 1: many doughs and asters at this point in time that
21:22
Speaker 1: they don't you know, kind of scrapes have lost their
21:25
Speaker 1: importance um, and a lot of instances so definitely slowed down,
21:30
Speaker 1: UM and stopped really counting on being able to haunt
21:33
Speaker 1: a scrape line. Um, you know, picking up those deer
21:35
Speaker 1: cruising so sure and So you guys who are you know,
21:38
Speaker 1: pure archery coming up on gun season here, how do
21:41
Speaker 1: your tactics then change and what do you see the
21:44
Speaker 1: bucket activity you do? Then? Um, well, definitely it definitely
21:49
Speaker 1: gets harder. Um. You know if you you know, we've
21:53
Speaker 1: been experiencing that most of the mature deer are still
21:55
Speaker 1: seeming to move, you know, pretty nocturnally, um, even as
21:59
Speaker 1: of an out and that's only going to get obviously
22:01
Speaker 1: worse when pressure, you know, like goes up exponentially in
22:06
Speaker 1: the next week. Um, and most of us guys will
22:08
Speaker 1: be out, you know, like I said, on the first
22:11
Speaker 1: day a gun season with our bows still trying to
22:13
Speaker 1: make it happen, which obviously stacks the odds not in
22:16
Speaker 1: our favor. But um, you know, just kind of what
22:18
Speaker 1: we love to do. And you know, every now and
22:21
Speaker 1: then it comes together, so um, trying to play pressure.
22:25
Speaker 1: There's a there's a you know, a handful of us
22:27
Speaker 1: who will you know, have have private pieces that will
22:31
Speaker 1: still be able to stay on you know, when gun
22:33
Speaker 1: season opens, a few people who have properties that other
22:37
Speaker 1: people gun hunt and they have to get off of.
22:39
Speaker 1: And then a few others who you know try to
22:41
Speaker 1: hunt public land, um, you know in Wisconsin on the
22:46
Speaker 1: rifle opener, which always gets a little bit shady, but
22:49
Speaker 1: you know, I can also come up with some pretty
22:51
Speaker 1: good stories. So, um, trying to just get where people
22:54
Speaker 1: aren't going to be on this first weekend is going
22:56
Speaker 1: to be kind of the key. And you know, switching
22:59
Speaker 1: up strategy knowing where people are going to be moving
23:01
Speaker 1: into and where those deer are going to try to
23:03
Speaker 1: get away from him is where you know we're going
23:05
Speaker 1: to try to be. And so with that said, what
23:08
Speaker 1: do you think the bucket activities are going to be
23:10
Speaker 1: in this coming week on a scale of like one
23:12
Speaker 1: to ten, Um, I would definitely say it would it
23:15
Speaker 1: would go up. I be thinking we're gonna be around
23:18
Speaker 1: you know and eight this coming weekend just um, you know,
23:22
Speaker 1: knowing a with this time of year and be we're
23:24
Speaker 1: getting a big gold front that's supposed to hit you
23:27
Speaker 1: know on Saturday, which is the opener up here, um,
23:30
Speaker 1: which I think is going to get a lot of
23:32
Speaker 1: bucks up on their feet. They're going to be moving
23:34
Speaker 1: around and it's I think we're gonna see a lot
23:37
Speaker 1: of deer killed this weekend in Wisconsin. Alright, Well, I'll
23:41
Speaker 1: be following along in Matthews Facebook page and hope to
23:44
Speaker 1: see what kind of damage those newen bows can do.
23:47
Speaker 1: Thanks deerk yep, I have a good one, Spenser, appreciate
23:50
Speaker 1: it alright and joining us on the line. Next is
23:54
Speaker 1: Matt Drewy, the general manager of Drewy Outdoors now Matt
23:59
Speaker 1: in Missouri. What would you say the buck activity has
24:02
Speaker 1: been there? On a scale of one to ten, I
24:06
Speaker 1: think I think it's two things you're looking at. If
24:08
Speaker 1: you're looking for the mature buck activity, I think it's
24:10
Speaker 1: it's pretty low. The last few days, this past you know,
24:14
Speaker 1: the past weekend three four because they're locked down. I
24:18
Speaker 1: saw a lot. I was at Dad's this weekend hunting.
24:21
Speaker 1: I saw a ton of great movement, but it was
24:24
Speaker 1: mostly younger bucks, the most you know mature bucks being
24:27
Speaker 1: three um so um. I think the mature bucks had
24:32
Speaker 1: already locked down. They were with their does and it
24:35
Speaker 1: was very tough hunting. That being said, I did catch
24:39
Speaker 1: an old bruiser um looking for a new you know,
24:42
Speaker 1: the next available though Sunday morning, and and kind a
24:46
Speaker 1: good opportunity and put a good shot on him and
24:49
Speaker 1: and gotta wrap my tag around. And but that being said,
24:52
Speaker 1: I think this next cold front coming up um here
24:55
Speaker 1: in the next few days, probably three four days, I
24:58
Speaker 1: think it could get really really good. I'm saying maybe
25:00
Speaker 1: a seven eight for buck activity, mature buck activity, because
25:05
Speaker 1: they're getting ready to you know, they're they're finishing up
25:07
Speaker 1: with their their first dough and they're gonna go start
25:10
Speaker 1: looking for their second dough. So I think it could
25:13
Speaker 1: get really good with that cold front that's kind of
25:16
Speaker 1: going through the Midwest coming up. Yeah, if we are
25:19
Speaker 1: in lockdown right now, then what kind of techniques are
25:22
Speaker 1: you guys using hunting wise? What you know, what areas
25:26
Speaker 1: are you in? Are you doing any calling mornings or evenings? Yeah,
25:30
Speaker 1: So I was sitting and now over the weekend it
25:35
Speaker 1: got really cold this past week and it was the
25:37
Speaker 1: first and second frost that we had in the in
25:40
Speaker 1: the Kirksville area in Missouri, and so we were sitting
25:45
Speaker 1: close to food sources beans specifically standing beans, and that
25:50
Speaker 1: drew every dough in that area to that food plot
25:55
Speaker 1: to those you know, those food plots, and from there,
25:58
Speaker 1: I think it drug that you know, the bucks out
26:00
Speaker 1: because they were just going where the does were, and
26:03
Speaker 1: I mean I did see chasing and all that good stuff.
26:05
Speaker 1: And actually we filmed two breeding encounters in two days,
26:09
Speaker 1: so it shows you what phase they were in. But
26:11
Speaker 1: it was so cold over that two day period and
26:15
Speaker 1: it and it warmed up since, but that two day
26:17
Speaker 1: period was so cold all the does went out to
26:20
Speaker 1: those bean fields. Um. I had sat one other sit uh,
26:25
Speaker 1: I was in a morning set. I'm trying to think back.
26:27
Speaker 1: I think it was a morning sit um where I
26:30
Speaker 1: sat next to a pond. And the theory there is, hey,
26:33
Speaker 1: if the if the bucks are chasing you know, all day,
26:36
Speaker 1: all night, more so than food, they need water. And
26:39
Speaker 1: sure enough we had a nice three year old come
26:42
Speaker 1: to the pond and drink for a while. And I
26:45
Speaker 1: mean we got good footage of that. So in theory
26:47
Speaker 1: that was you know, that was working. Calling didn't work whatsoever.
26:52
Speaker 1: They could care less for me and my personal experience
26:55
Speaker 1: the last few days. They couldn't care less about calling. Um.
26:58
Speaker 1: That being said, I think coming up in the next
27:01
Speaker 1: few days, especially with that cold front, and if they're
27:04
Speaker 1: looking for the next dough rattling specifically, will be the
27:08
Speaker 1: ticket because they're gonna want to go and look and
27:11
Speaker 1: search out what's going on. You know, why are why
27:14
Speaker 1: are the bucks fighting and the other mature bucks are
27:17
Speaker 1: gonna want to come in and and see, especially if
27:19
Speaker 1: they're looking for a dough, So rattling coming up could
27:22
Speaker 1: be a good tactic. So if you think calling will
27:26
Speaker 1: help coming up here? What about hunting around side? Do
27:29
Speaker 1: you think scrapes and rubs are goodness start getting hit
27:32
Speaker 1: again or not? Yeah? I do. I think check your cameras,
27:35
Speaker 1: you know, leading into that cold front. I think scrapes
27:38
Speaker 1: are getting ready to get hot again, and that for me,
27:41
Speaker 1: they had cooled off pretty badly on my lease. But
27:44
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see him start picking back up
27:46
Speaker 1: as the bucks are looking for their next you know,
27:49
Speaker 1: next dough, they're they're kind of asserting their dominance in
27:52
Speaker 1: the area. So I think scrapes will be good again. Sure,
27:55
Speaker 1: And so how long do you think lockdown is gonna
27:58
Speaker 1: last for? And going for don a scale of one
28:00
Speaker 1: to ten, What do you think that buck activity is
28:02
Speaker 1: going to be in these next couple of days? Well,
28:05
Speaker 1: for you know the show thirteam that that Mark and
28:08
Speaker 1: Terry and and and us here drew the outdoors that
28:11
Speaker 1: we've come up with the date range, you know, it
28:13
Speaker 1: varies a little bit. But for us, we had the
28:15
Speaker 1: date of lockdown, the date range. This is not a
28:18
Speaker 1: science by any means. I mean, it's based on our
28:21
Speaker 1: visual you know, what we've noticed over the years, and
28:23
Speaker 1: specifically what Mark and Dada noticed. But we had an
28:26
Speaker 1: ending yesterday actually today being a new a new a
28:30
Speaker 1: new phase. Um, so i'd say, you know, like I said,
28:33
Speaker 1: check your cameras. But any day here, I think lockdown
28:37
Speaker 1: is good getting ready to end because they're gonna get
28:39
Speaker 1: on their feet and you're gonna see some of your
28:42
Speaker 1: best outside of Buck Parade, which is right before lockdown.
28:45
Speaker 1: I think this coming up this period in the next
28:47
Speaker 1: few days, especially the cold front, you're gonna see a
28:50
Speaker 1: lot of midday movement from from Bucks. You're gonna see
28:52
Speaker 1: a lot of daylight activity. So I wouldn't be afraid
28:55
Speaker 1: to sit, you know, some long hours in the coming days.
29:00
Speaker 1: Well that's some exciting intel. Matt, and congrats on the
29:02
Speaker 1: awesome dear. I appreciate it, Thank you man. And that
29:07
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