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Wired To Hunt Podcast #171: October Tactics, Suburban Bucks and more with Justin Zarr · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one one, and
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  Speaker 1: today in the show, we're joined by Justin zar and
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  Speaker 1: Illinois bow hunter and host of bow hunting dot COM's
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  Speaker 1: bow Hunt or Die web show, and we're talking early
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  Speaker 1: season October hunting tactics, chasing suburban bucks, and much much more.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, welcome to another episode of the Wired to
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  Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by sik Gear. And today
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  Speaker 1: the show we are joined by our pal and super
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  Speaker 1: serious Illinois white tail hunter je Sustin's are of bow
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  Speaker 1: hunting dot Com and the bow Hunter Die web show.
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  Speaker 1: And in a few minutes here we're gonna get Justin
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  Speaker 1: on with us, and I'm hoping we can just dig
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  Speaker 1: deep into his plans and strategies for hunting this upcoming
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  Speaker 1: month of October. I'm thinking we can probably touch on
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  Speaker 1: everything from early season ideas to October lull tips, to
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  Speaker 1: hunt in the pre rut, and even maybe we even
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  Speaker 1: get into the rut phases, because who who's not looking
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  Speaker 1: forward in November but I want to make sure we
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  Speaker 1: dive into all that tree stand placement, trail cameras and
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of good stuff. So along the way, I
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  Speaker 1: think Dan and I should be able to chip in
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  Speaker 1: a thought or two as well. But speaking of Dan,
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  Speaker 1: Mr co host, you are the man of the week. Congratulations,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, Thank you sir. That is awesome. You
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  Speaker 1: got a new healthy mouth the field yep, yep. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing any of the feeding right now. That's
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  Speaker 1: all on mama. But so you know, my wife is
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  Speaker 1: a champ, like I just feel like she was born
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  Speaker 1: and designed to have kids because every time, uh, we've
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  Speaker 1: gone into the hospital, it's been a breeze. There's been
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  Speaker 1: no complications, you know, knock on wood. Just very happy
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  Speaker 1: with how everything turned out. Um and I know not
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people live around the area that I
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  Speaker 1: lived that may listen to this, but the hospital, Mercy
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  Speaker 1: Hospital where I I've had all three of my children,
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  Speaker 1: have made child birth and everything just amazing. So shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Mercy Hospital if anybody anybody listen to go
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  Speaker 1: have a kid there man, because they are they're outstanding
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  Speaker 1: at what they do. Maybe maybe we'll make the drive
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  Speaker 1: out there this February. That's a perfect time. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to share the name for those who
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen online yet. Yeah, his name is Knox Daniel Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: and he's a badass. I was gonna say Knox Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: He just sounds like he's gonna be trouble between that
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  Speaker 1: and Mac Johnson, like you're gonna have two tyrants on
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  Speaker 1: your hands, is what I think. Well, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: name our second boy a name that would go well
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  Speaker 1: with Matt. So when they get introduced as like and
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  Speaker 1: new tag team Champions of the World, you know, Mack
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  Speaker 1: and Knox, kind they're kind of some badass names. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know that that sounds about right. They sounded the
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  Speaker 1: types of They sound like the types of kids that
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  Speaker 1: would like take a manhole cover and pull it into
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  Speaker 1: their apartment. You know, I am screwed. They say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: anything you do when you're a kid that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: crazy and dumb, Your kids are gonna do that same
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  Speaker 1: ship just so that you know it's karma, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's coming back to you, dam Yeah, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: That's exciting though. Man, I'm very very happy for He's
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  Speaker 1: so glad that everything went well, and and now it's
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  Speaker 1: a new phase. So so far it's been a handful
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  Speaker 1: of days. What's it like having three kids? Well, let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you what it's like. Okay, so right now
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  Speaker 1: we are in a the adjustment phase. Right, so we're home. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I haven't gone back to work yet. I am.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I got some time off. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: spend it here at the house. I'm helping the wife adjust,
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  Speaker 1: helping the kids adjust. Um. It is like, and I
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  Speaker 1: hate to use this reference, but I'm going to use
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  Speaker 1: it anyway. It's like a hurricane is offshore from your
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  Speaker 1: house and it's slowly creeping its way to your house.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sh it is going to hit the fan
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  Speaker 1: really soon, but you're just almost like you're ignoring it
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, I've been I've been through it twice.
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  Speaker 1: He's sleeping right now, he's up, he's on a really
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  Speaker 1: good schedule. But in in two three weeks when he starts,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna start crying more. He's gonna start and that
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  Speaker 1: brings stress. And then the kids. It's just like this
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  Speaker 1: this blender of love and hate all in one one
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  Speaker 1: little compartment, and it's it's just it is it is
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  Speaker 1: going to get crazy. Oh man, but I'm ready. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know what you're getting into a little bit at
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  Speaker 1: least ye, at this age, you can start ignoring kids
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more. You can start hey, I'm mad.
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  Speaker 1: I well Matt took a toy from me. Blah blah blah. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: here here's the iPad. You know, it's like, so that's
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  Speaker 1: the trick, right kid. Kids are kind of like junkies,
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  Speaker 1: so they want all these things, and then you're just like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: well here here, just just there, here's a fix. Go
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  Speaker 1: and go on the room, lock yourself in the closet
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  Speaker 1: of this. You'll be good, right, absolutely, Well, this is
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  Speaker 1: a good advice for me, Dan, I appreciate that. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure I give horrible parenting. Parenting advice, I've
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  Speaker 1: got some. I've got some baby related news too. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: oh we had we had our ultrasound. Okay, we're just
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  Speaker 1: over twenty weeks now. Okay, so did you find out
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  Speaker 1: we found out? Are you going to share it? I
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  Speaker 1: am going to share it. We're not We're not the
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  Speaker 1: type for surprises and stuff. So yeah, man, we have
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  Speaker 1: a baby human on the way, so very excited about that.
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  Speaker 1: That's great news. Yes, it is a human. It has
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  Speaker 1: has legs and arms and a head, and it is
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  Speaker 1: a boy. Oh you got a little baby boy, Kenyan
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  Speaker 1: coming in February. So that's crazy. Man. You think it
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  Speaker 1: will be born with a sweet goatee. It wouldn't take
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  Speaker 1: much for him to match his old man's goateee, so
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  Speaker 1: it's quite possible. Well, that's awesome. So obviously, obviously as
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  Speaker 1: a father, having a son is a big strong moment.
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  Speaker 1: Was was your wife like, did she would did she
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  Speaker 1: kind of want a girl? Or was she just like
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  Speaker 1: as long as it's happy. Yeah? I think we we
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  Speaker 1: were both like, as long as it's healthy, we're okay
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  Speaker 1: with whatever. Um. Although you know, I think my wife
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  Speaker 1: might have been just as excited about it being a boy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. She's she's a little bit tomboyish herself.
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  Speaker 1: She's not like super super girly girly. I mean, she
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  Speaker 1: likes all the outdoorsy stuff that I do. Um, But
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  Speaker 1: I think whether we had a boy or a girl,
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  Speaker 1: that child would probably go and do the same things
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  Speaker 1: at least because that's what we're doing at first. So
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm pumped. It's exciting. I was the last
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  Speaker 1: Kenyon in my family, so I the responsibility continue the
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  Speaker 1: bloodline was on me. That's a big responsibility. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I've achieved that hopefully here with with
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  Speaker 1: a little guy. So yeah, really excited in the empire,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Wired Hunt empire can continue. Yeah, We'll
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  Speaker 1: pass this on to him in twenty years, see what
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  Speaker 1: he can do with it. So so yeah, man, that
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  Speaker 1: was exciting, and it was just cool that we could
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  Speaker 1: see the baby and um, you know see that it
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  Speaker 1: was healthy and moving around and that was pretty wild.
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  Speaker 1: And then at the same time, like the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of days, now we're starting to feel him too, so
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  Speaker 1: I can feel like kicking and stuff on Kylie's belly,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of neat. So yeah, lots of exciting stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And um, you know, there's that whole opening day of
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  Speaker 1: bow hunting season coming up too, so I know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: are you pumped for that or like, like for me?
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  Speaker 1: I'm to be honest, I have so many other things
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  Speaker 1: going on in my life right now that I just
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  Speaker 1: have made up the decision Mentally I may go Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: I may not, But uh, I'm just kind of I'm
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  Speaker 1: going more with the flow, like if I can get out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can get out early season, but I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't care. You know, I want to, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if I if I miss it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of put all my apples in one basket
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  Speaker 1: for the rut. Yeah, and and giving your circumstances, that
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  Speaker 1: seems like a good idea. Just keep expectations low, right, absolutely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna make up for you on the excitement
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  Speaker 1: level because I'm gonna like a level thirteen excitement right now,
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  Speaker 1: really really really pumped. I mean, I've been spending like
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  Speaker 1: every night that there's not like every every night that
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  Speaker 1: I've been home, um where I haven't been like leaving
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  Speaker 1: the house for an event or taken doing something with Kylie.
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  Speaker 1: I've been going out to near one of my hunting
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  Speaker 1: properties and glassing trying to get eyes on box and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So I've been sitting out doing a lot of doing
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  Speaker 1: a lot of glass time and studying trail camera pictures.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm obsessively already checking the weather forecast and I
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  Speaker 1: think I got my plan for opening day and the
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  Speaker 1: second day, and uh man, I'm just ready for it
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  Speaker 1: to get here right absolutely, so yeah, So are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna just go with the weather this year,
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  Speaker 1: or are you gonna, you know, go out and grind
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  Speaker 1: right away. Yes, I mean I'm gonna be doing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of hunting, but targeting Holy Field at first is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a day or two kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: We do have good weather in the forecast, relatively good,
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  Speaker 1: but it's been like in the mid high eighties even
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  Speaker 1: into the nineties or the last week for us. But
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  Speaker 1: in a couple of days we're gonna cold front hitting. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so it's gonna be about three days before opening day.
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  Speaker 1: That cold front is really gonna be hitting hard, and
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  Speaker 1: attempts are going to drop down to the sixties, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, low sixties, high fifties, so like a twenty
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  Speaker 1: degree or so dropped. So I think that's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: good in general. I wish that opening day was like Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: so we could be hunting the day of the cold
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  Speaker 1: front or the day after. But so we're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: get the very best movement, but I think it will
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  Speaker 1: still certainly be better than it was, you know, this
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  Speaker 1: past week. So Sunday night, I'm gonna get in there
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  Speaker 1: and hunt one of those core spots. I've been hunting
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  Speaker 1: holy Field where I've had a lot of those encounters
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  Speaker 1: with him UM, and I've got this year. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's this one spot that I hunted a lot for
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  Speaker 1: him and they had like the two times I've passed
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  Speaker 1: on him, um the three times. Sort of We're all
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  Speaker 1: in this one little food plot core area. And I've
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  Speaker 1: got a tree stands set up for like a north
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  Speaker 1: or northwest or northeast wind and then I have a
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  Speaker 1: ground blind that I put in last year that I
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  Speaker 1: had set up for southerly winds. I replaced that ground
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  Speaker 1: blind with a hay bale blind UM this year because
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: both basically, I just want more room that that ground
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  Speaker 1: blind I used last years to pop up and it
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  Speaker 1: just wasn't not enough room for me to be in
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  Speaker 1: there comfortably with a tripod to film and for me
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  Speaker 1: to be able to draw back and everything. So the
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  Speaker 1: hay bale is much bigger, just much better structure for it. UM.
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  Speaker 1: And that's tucked in their super nice because I put
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  Speaker 1: it right inside of like my food plat screen and
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  Speaker 1: then that screen has grown up all around it, so
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  Speaker 1: it's basically completely covered on three sides and then just
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  Speaker 1: in the front, I've cut down the cover, so I
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  Speaker 1: got shooting lanes. Um. But it's very well secluded in there,
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  Speaker 1: and it are it looks like hey Belle anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: they're not they're not worried it at all. And Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we've got southerly winds in the forecast for for Monday
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  Speaker 1: and Sunday, so that can be good ish. Um. When
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  Speaker 1: I've studied all of his moving patterns and stuff, like
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  Speaker 1: all of the daytime trail camera pictures I have him
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  Speaker 1: up here in the front are with like a south
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  Speaker 1: or southwest wind, um, and I'm gonna have a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of that and have like east, south, east, southeast
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  Speaker 1: ISSH winds I guess on Sunday, and then south winds
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  Speaker 1: on Monday. UM. So I'm gonna get in there and
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  Speaker 1: hunt that ground blind. It's it's gonna be great from
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  Speaker 1: an access standpoint. I can walk through a standing cornfield
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  Speaker 1: far away from where these deerbedded drop into this creek,
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  Speaker 1: walk the creek all the way to the back of
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  Speaker 1: the blind, and then just pop right in the blind.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel good about getting in there, um, and
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  Speaker 1: then I think to get out, I'm going to try
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  Speaker 1: to convince my wife to drive the four wheeler out
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  Speaker 1: to this area and uh and pick me up there.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not walking around after dark spook and anything
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  Speaker 1: and some two hunts like that. See how that goes,
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  Speaker 1: and then I think, then I'm going to stay out.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay out completely for weeks, um, just because
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  Speaker 1: you know, unless unless there's something that's like he's showing
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  Speaker 1: up over and over and over and over again in daylight. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna push it like I did last year.
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  Speaker 1: I kept, you know, we talked about before, we kept
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  Speaker 1: getting these tiny cold friends every weekend and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: well I should try because there's gonna ten degree temperature drop.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that this year. Um. But I've got,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a couple of public spots down here that
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be trying out and gonna go up
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  Speaker 1: north the weekend following opening day up to our northern
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Michigan property. And I'm really excited about that. So i
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  Speaker 1: gonna spend like four days up there hunting and hunt
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  Speaker 1: a mixture of our little forty acre piece and then
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  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of public surrounding it. So I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: do some scouting and hanging hunt some some spots out there,
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  Speaker 1: I think too. And that's kind of my game plan
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  Speaker 1: for early October through the mid October time period is
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  Speaker 1: is balanced between northern Michigan and the public laying down here. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And then we'll see about Ohio. I'm on decide and
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  Speaker 1: if we're gonna take a quick trip to Ohio earlier
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  Speaker 1: or not. Traditionally historically hasn't been very good early season
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  Speaker 1: four US. We've had one good mature buck encounter in
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  Speaker 1: all the years we've been going down there in the
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  Speaker 1: early season. That was it um so kind of up
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  Speaker 1: in the air and that stuff. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a chance for some opening
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  Speaker 1: day or second day success here in Michigan. But I
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  Speaker 1: would not say my confidence level is super high. Um
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  Speaker 1: not not here, just because I don't want to shoot
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  Speaker 1: something and be walking all over the property, you know,
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  Speaker 1: tracking all over the place. I just want to keep
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  Speaker 1: I want to keep my impact absolutely too, as close
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  Speaker 1: to zero as I can until I kill holy Field
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  Speaker 1: or if he disappears. But if that happens, whenever, if
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: I kill him or someone else's kills him, um, then
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  Speaker 1: it'll just be dope patrol for the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: season probably and hit it really hard. But um, but
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  Speaker 1: what do you get going over there? Dan, I dropped something.
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  Speaker 1: But I was just gonna say, he hasn't been showing up.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen him yet. I've glassed this area quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit, still haven't seen him. Um. I have him
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  Speaker 1: on camera three times in the last month, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Um one two of those were in daylight. Um. Now,
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  Speaker 1: last year you were you were battling the same kind
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  Speaker 1: of thoughts, because wasn't he showing up like for a
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  Speaker 1: for a long period of time, really close to daylight
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: in the evenings or uh, right towards the tail end
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  Speaker 1: of the morning on your cameras and you had already
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  Speaker 1: gone in there several times to hunt him, and you
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  Speaker 1: just were getting really worried about, you know, spooking him
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  Speaker 1: off off your property. Yeah. And I think like an
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: early in mid October there was you know, yeah, I was.
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  Speaker 1: I'd seen him a couple of times in daylight, like
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  Speaker 1: right at the end of daylight when I was glassing
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  Speaker 1: from my little scouting area. UM. I've gotten a few
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  Speaker 1: pictures that were right in the edge of daylight and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So you you had some like signs pointing to yes,
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  Speaker 1: you should go in there and hunt him. But then
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: because of the way this properly lays out, there's only
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  Speaker 1: a couple of spots I could actually hunt him. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that challenge was how much can I get away with
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  Speaker 1: when I'm pounding the same spots over and over again? Um,
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  Speaker 1: And it's hard to say if I had made a
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  Speaker 1: mistake or not because I did that, hunted over and
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  Speaker 1: over again, and still October, after I had hunted, you know,
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  Speaker 1: several weekends in a row for him, in the same spot.
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  Speaker 1: Again October, I had a shot at him, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at forty yards, and then I almost had a shot
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  Speaker 1: at him the next day. So you know, I kept
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: seeing him, but it was after that then like the
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: through like the eight then I saw him, but he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't coming over to my side. I was seeing him
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  Speaker 1: staying back and cover. So I wonder if at that
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  Speaker 1: point if he kind of caught onto what was going
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  Speaker 1: on and knew that he should stay back in that
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: cover till after dark. So my hope is this year,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: other than these first couple of hunts, to stay out
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  Speaker 1: completely until that late October time for him again, and
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  Speaker 1: then hopefully then instead of like one chance, maybe I'll
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  Speaker 1: have a week worth of you know, opportunities where he
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: might be willing to to stray over towards me during daylight.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: So that's that's at least a high level plan. I
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: don't know, Um, we'll see. I'm just excited, just like
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I like to put
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: early season plans together as well, and then as soon
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: as opening day hits, it's all out the window, right
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: and you're you're doing something completely different than what you
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: originally playing. Yeah, yeah, you just gotta kind of go
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: with the flow, right, see what, see what's happening, observe,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: study what whatever new patterns are emerging, and make an adjustment.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: So yeah, dude, UM, I'm fired up, fired up, And
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: hopefully next week, maybe if the stars aligned and I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: get super lucky and that weather is good, maybe next
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: week I will have the happiest story of all time
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: for you. Hey man, I hope, So I'll do. I want,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I want a phone call. I want to be on
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: your phone call list when if you if you kill him,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, first is obviously the wife. Second,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I don't care your dad. Maybe you know, then maybe
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: if I'm top ten, that'd be awesome. Oh You're definitely
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: top ten. Du Okay, you'll get it. You'll get it
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: in the field call like that shaky voice, loud whisper
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: type phone call. You know, I just did it. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: just did it. I love I love those calls. Oh
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: those are the best. Those are the half the best.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I am so ready for like a blood trail and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: for a phone call from a buddy, or like a
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: B B D text message and like everyone gets together
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and drinks a beer and goes hiking out in the woods.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Like I'm so just pumped out of my mind for it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: So it's a great time to here, my friends, a
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: great time of year. But we should probably we should
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: probably bring Justin on um because he's sitting around waiting
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: for us, and uh, maybe he can bs with us
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit about how excited where too. So let's
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: take a quick break here for a word from our
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: partners at Sitka Gear, and then we'll bring our pale
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Justin's Zar on the line. For this week's Sita story.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: We're joined by Alex Compstock of North Dakota, and Alex
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: is going to be telling us about a special early
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: season hunt with his white tail mentor. So it was
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: about two weeks ago and uh I was sitting over
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a bean field with my buddy Drew, who was kind
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of like my hunting mentor per se. He's the one
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: who got me started into this whole madness. And I
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: was about twelve or thirteen years old, and we have
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: never sat together before. So we had scouted this new
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: spot and found this pond that was right on the
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: edge of this bean field and decided it would be
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: a good time to sit it being in it was
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a really warm day, and uh I thought it would
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: be a a cool opportunity to sit with him, So I
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: decided to sit with him and film that night, and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: we ended up having the encounter with a big four
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: or five five year old mature buck um and he
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: kind of popped out of his bean field about three
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: or four hundred yards away, and I was working his
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: way right at us, and he got into about eighty
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to a hundred yards and picked his head up and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: started staring at the sproad because we're hunting fairly close
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to a road. And uh just stood at the or
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: staring at the road for about ten minutes or so
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: and then just took off and head out of our life.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And even though it was kind of non successful hunt,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: it was a really cool opportunity to be able to
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: be sitting with you know, I'm a good friend, and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: being able to get it all on film and being
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: at the one that he's got me into hunting. It
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: was just a really cool opportunity and one of my
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: favorite nights of hunting, uh, probably my life. On Alex's hunt,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: he was wearing sits Equalnox system. If you'd like to
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: create a sick Of story of your own, or to
• 20:49
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• 20:52
  Speaker 1: gear dot com. All right, we've got Mr justin'sar now
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: on the line with us. How are you, buddy. I'm
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: doing good man, How are you doing? We're good. Me
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and Dan have just been talking about how excited we
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: are for our opening day, um, which is coming up
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: here in a few days. But you guys have been
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: going at it for a while over by you up
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in well, Wisconsin, right, not in Illinois. Yeah, Illinois. So
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I'm the same as you guys. I'm October one. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: have not been in the woods with the bow in
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: my hand. Yet a lot of the guys on our
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: team have. I am not one of those fortunate individuals.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So much like the two of you, I'm kind of
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: chopping at the bit to be able to get out
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in the woods and shoot at something here pretty soon. Yeah, Sore,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: where did Todd kill his buck? Was that Wisconsin? That
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: was Wisconsin? Yeah, So so you know, we're we're located here.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: We're in the suburbs of Chicago, so we're actually really
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: close to the Wisconsin line, maybe half hour to Wisconsin. Uh.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Todd actually owns a little bit of property up in
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Green Lake County, so he's about, I don't know, two
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and a half three hours north of here. So he
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: killed his buck on opening day up up in Wisconsin. Uh.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: He usual, he likes to I mean they opened a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks early, so he likes to get up there.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: You know, that first weekend or two is usually just
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of a doe mission. But uh, you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he was fortunate enough to to get a good buck
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: finally on opening day, and then a couple of days
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: later he left, and he's currently in Wyoming. Uh And
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: actually he shot an elk yesterday, So I think he's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: coming home today or tomorrow. Yeah, he's off to a
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: hack of a start, I would say for him. Man,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: sounds like the pressures on you now, justin no kidding
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: right telling me. So he's killed. He's got an antelope
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and elk and a white tail all under his belt.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: It's not even October for first yet. I haven't even
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: been hunting, so good lord. So for those maybe who
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: don't know who Todd is or maybe who you are,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: can you just give us a quick like one on
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: one on what you guys are doing over bow hunting
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: dot com or bow hunting dot com and bo Hunter
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Die and all that good stuff. Sure? Yeah, So, um,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you know Todd when we refer to him as Todd Graff,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: he's the owner of bow hunting dot com. You know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I've been working for Todd for about I want to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: say fourteen years now. Him and I have been working together,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: uh you know when I first started working for him.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: You know, Todd owns an I T consulting company and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: a web development company. So that's what we do, Like,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that's our real jobs, right. I build websites for people,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people in the hunting industry.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: But then, you know, because Todd was a pretty smart
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: dude back in the nineties, he bought a bunch of
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: domain names, bow hunting dot com being one of them.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Uh So we started that website. I want to say
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it's been about ten years ago now or maybe just
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: shy a ten years maybe nine years now. And uh
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: so we started that website back in the day. Um
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: kind of is just doing some e commerce stuff and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: then we kind of got out of doing e commerce
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and we really just focused mostly on information. So you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: anything and everything you could want to know about bow
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: hunting we try to have on bow hunting dot com,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: whether it's stories, how to gear reviews. We do a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: lot of coverage at the A T A show every
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: year filming new products. Uh And then about oh gosh,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's seven years ago now, because we're in
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: our eighth season, we decided for some crazy reason to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: start an online hunting show. We figured we had this
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: awesome platform with bow hunting dot Com. Uh So we
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: started our show, which we call bow Hunter Die. We're
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: in our eighth season now, um and it's a hundred
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: percent online, so you watch it, you know, through the website,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: through our Roku channel through YouTube. You can download it
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: through it tunes. We have an Apple TV channel and
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: we're actually just getting ready to launch our mobile app
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: here the next week or so, once the fine folks
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: at Apple approved that and uh get it pushed out.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Some the guys will be able to, you know, get
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: notifications right on their phone when a new episode goes live.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of our our spiel and what we
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: do over here at bow hunting dot Com and and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: bow Hunter Die. That's awesome. Well, you guys really do
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: have one of the best online hunting shows out there.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed it. Um, but I've seen sometimes, you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you guys lots of times before hunt on your show
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: you have like a little profile of the hunter talking
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit about you know who, this is, what
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: he's doing. And I've I've seen you sometime listed as
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Todd's man servant. Is that acting? Yeah, that's that's my
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: little joke I get to, uh, I get week to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: make up our little fun facts are a little occupations
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: for our intro. So yeah, that's that's kind of what
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I call it. You know, I get the glorious title
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of general manager here, which pretty much means you get
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to do a little bit of everything. So I pretty much,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: you know, run I'd say nine of the day to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: day operations for you know, really three of our businesses,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I T consulting, web development, and bow hunting dot com.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: So it keeps me busy here at the office while
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: while Todd's out killing most of the time. And you
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: got the row on to the deal there. Yeah. Everyone
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: thinks working in the hunting industry is great until you
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: actually have to do the work part. So speaking of
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: raw deals, just before we start recording, uh, you know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: we were talking about how Dan has had his third
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and you have three kids too, that video for sure.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So how how has having three kids impacted your hunting
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: so far? Um? Well, I tell you what. We had
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: our third last year, smack in the middle of the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: hunting season. It was October, so that definitely through a
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: wrench in my works last year. I still got to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: hunt a fair amount, um, but you know, I kept
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: everything local. I didn't really travel at all last year
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to hunt, and at my local spots that I hunt,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I just didn't really have the caliber a year I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: was looking to shoot last year, so I ended up
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: not shooting a buck shot a couple of those last year,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and that was it. Uh. Fortunately, now that you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: we're a year into number three, just about things have
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: kind of leveled back out in in a smooth sailing
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: ahead hopefully. So I'm pretty optimistic that I'm gonna be
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: able to hunt hunt a fair amount this fall, much
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to the dismay of my wife, I'm sure, but she
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: gets to stay home now she doesn't have to work anymore.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So the trade off was kind of, uh, you do
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: that and I'm gonna go hunt. So I do have
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: a couple of trips to Kansas, uh plan for later
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: this fall. And then I have a couple of really
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: good bucks that I'm change us in here locally at
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: home in Illinois. Finally. Uh So yeah, I'm I'm pretty
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: excited to get this show on the road here come
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: October one. Have you thought about hiring a babysitter while
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you're gone to lighten the load, because I think I'm
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: going to be doing that this year. You see, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: just don't have enough money for that, so so I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: just will be calling in favors to family members. You
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: want to talk about a raw deal, I'll tell you, guys,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: this my my wife's sister is turning for to you
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: this year. So they decided they want to go on
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a little girl's weekend. They're going on like a four
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: day cruise or sister and some friends, and they planned
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: this for November second through November six. That was the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: date that they picked to go on this cruise. So
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I am flying solo on dad duty for those few days, which,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: unfortunately I don't have much of a leg to stand
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: on because I'm gone in Kansas for like five days
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: immediately before that, and then like another four days if
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I don't tag out pretty soon after at So I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: kind of just bit my tongue and said, you know
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: what it is, what it is? Hopefully I have a
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: dear killed November in Iowa. Um, you can drop your
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: kids off at hospitals. I guess it's called like a
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: safe zone or something, and they don't ask really any questions.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's like, if you want to give them
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: up permanently, I'm not to come back later and reclaim them.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Changed my mind, I'm to pick the kids up. That's
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that's an interesting plan. I'm gonna at least I'm gonna
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: give it a try. Yeah, So I plan on calling
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: in favors to family members where I can. Fortunately, the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: two biggest bucks I'm hunting are are both local to me,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: within fifteen twenty minute drive of the house. Uh, which
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: will make things pretty pretty nice for this fall. That is,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the kids in the car exactly, make sure their iPads
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: are charged up, and I'll be back in a couple
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of hours. Yeah, Dan, Dan was just talking about how
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: he compares his children to junkies and he just revising
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: their fix when he needs a little alone time. It's
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: kind of a fairly accurate statement. When they're really, really little,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: it's mostly just food, and then once they get bigger,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it becomes iPads and other things. Well, I've got lots
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to learn, it seems, that's for sure. Yes you do, Yes,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you do. So. So you said you got a couple
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: of good local bucks. What's the story on them? Yeah?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: You know. Um, the biggest story I think I get
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: asked the most about. Um was, you know, last year
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: one of the farms that I hunt, I passed on
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: a really great deer. Uh. A lot of people that
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: watch our show told me I was insane to let
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: him walk by me, but uh, he ended up we
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: ended up picking up both of his sheds. He scored
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: right about a hundred UM, But I knew he was
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a three year old, and I really just wanted to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: see what was going to happen if he made it
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to four. That particular spot is a boat only area,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: there's no gun hunting, it's a private farm. There's only
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: two of us that hunt it. It's pretty big, uh,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: So I felt like he had a really good opportunity
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to make it through. Fortunately he did. Um and as
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I suspected, you know, when he went from from two
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to three, he jumped from probably to push in one
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: sixty um, and then he made another jump from three
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to four. I'm gonna guess him in the high one eighties,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: low one nineties this year. Um. Yeah, he's a great dear.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it's the biggest deer I've ever had
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to to know that I'm hunting, uh in
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: my twenty five or so years of hunting now. So
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I feel pretty fortunate to be able to chase a
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: deer of that caliber. I'd really like to see what
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: he looks like at five or six, but I'm not
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: letting him walk by me again. If he happens to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: come by at four years old. I am not that
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: kind of guy that's not going to shoot that deer
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: this year. So yeah, he's kind of my number one target. Um.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And then when I've got another farm that I hunt
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that's got a really nice, super clean ten point that's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: probably going to score in the one sixties would be
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: my guest. Maybe mid to upper one sixties is a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: ten um. So yeah, those are those are the two
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: deer that I'm really going to be primarily targeting for
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: this fall. What's this stuff like? So this is northwest Illinois,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you said, So are we getting into like the hills
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: near the Mississippi yet or is it? No? So we're
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like where I'm here local, we're almost like northeast Illinois. Um.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: So the big deer that I'm hunting is in Lake County, UM,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: which basically extends all the way to Lake Michigan, hence
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the name UM. So we're in northeast. We do a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: lot of our hunting in northwestern Illinois. Uh. Todd actually
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: owns a farm out there, and we've got some leases
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and some other property. So that is the real you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: hilly kind of bluff country right along the Mississippi there. Um.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But with these two deer local here at home, ones
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: in Lake County, ones in mckenry County. Um. You know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the terrain here is fairly flat, small wood lots um
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: in between subdivisions and whatever agriculture remains. So it's you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: it's really suburban hunting, uh, sitting in your tree stand
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and listening to dogs barking and traffic and by. But
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: you know, when you've got a couple of really good
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: deer to chase, you know a lot of times I've
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: been guilty of leaving to chase the experience, I think
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: more than the deer, because hunting around here doesn't bring
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: with it to me anyways, the same feeling that I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: get when I go out west, or I go up north,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: or I go somewhere where it's more rural. Um. But
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: with three kids at home and two giant bucks to chase,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not going really much of anywhere this year. I'll
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: be going after those deer. Is there anything dramatically different
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: about how you actually have to hunt or how these
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: deer behave in these suburban areas compared to your western,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: more rural spots. Uh, yeah, definitely. I mean out here,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of really small wood lots. Um. There's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: just not a lot of big timber around anymore. So,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: you know, access is always one of the hardest things
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: of being able to get in somewhere, and that you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: booger all the deer up on your way, either in
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: or out. Um. A lot of there's a misconception out
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: there a lot of times that when you're hunting these
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: suburban deer that they're kind of stupid and they don't
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: care about about people intruding into their their land. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I can tell you they're every bit as cautious as
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: any other deer I've ever hunted. Uh, you know, especially
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: when you get some of these older age class bucks.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Sure you can drive around some of these areas that
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: are ultra populated with little force preserves in them, and yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the deer damn your eat right out of your hand. Um.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: But in a normal situation like where I'm at, I mean,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: believe me, a deer gets not windy, and it's it's
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: gone no differently than any other deer. Um. And I
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: think what makes hunting around here even probably more difficult, uh,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: is that our dear really don't come out into the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: open very much. Until dark, because there's your hard pressed
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: to find a field, edge or somewhere that a deer
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: can come out into that can't be seen from a
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: house or a road. Um and especially a bigger buck man.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's still just so many people and so
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: much traffic and activity. They step out into a field
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: for thirty seconds and there's cars pulled over on the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: side of the road, you know, looking at them. Uh So,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you know, it makes it difficult because they just you
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: know those hunts that you see, you know when we
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: all watch videos or you know, we're Dan's out in
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: freaking Iowa or there's this giant bucks running across the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: cornfield and they come running in, like, don't happening here.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Shut your mouth, guys, I'm telling your god, dang it
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: last the last. Oh Man. Everybody's like, dude, but you're
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: in Iowa, Dude, but you're in Iowa. I'm not hunting
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: on the same properties that like the Druries or Lakowski
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: is hunting on, right. I don't like, you can't, you can't.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: We don't need to divulge your secrets, which you can't complain.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I can't complain. But it's you know, the only difference
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: really between uh, where some some people are hunting and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: where I hunt is just giant racks. Sure, that's that's
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: really the only difference. The age class. I mean, yeah,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that's maybe a little bit bump in the age class
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: compared to you know, Illinois or like Minnesota or Wisconsin.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: But I'm still hunting on a arm that's not mine.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I'm still hunting on a uh you know, it's it's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: got pressure, you know, it's active. So I don't know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's never easy, right. Well, there's
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a huge misconception by a ton of people that, you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: everything you see on you know, TV, quote unquote or
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: online or wherever you're watching it these days, you know
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that some for some reason, those people are hunting in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: different situations or scenarios than you are. And in some
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: cases that true, But I think the majority of cases,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about how many people are filming hunts
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: out there. I mean, it's not just the juries and
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the Lokowskis. I mean, there's plenty of dudes like us
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: out there filming hunts that are just on you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: small little eighty you know, forty acres, twenty acres, eighty
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: acre pieces that we're sharing with other guys, and we're
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: dealing with the same stuff that everybody else deals with,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you know. But there's the right way and the wrong
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: way to hunt it and being smart and guys that
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: are successful on a on a regular basis doesn't necessarily
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: mean that they have the greatest spot in the world.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they're just better hunters, you know. And I've just
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: got to come to the realization, hey man, some people
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: are better hunters than I am. That's that's okay. I'm
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: confident in my abilities and what I know how to do,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: but I'm also not foolish enough to believe that, you know,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the greatest hunter that's ever walked the planet Earth. Yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: that's a good perspective to have. Um. It probably helps
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: keep the frustration level maybe one tiny bit below ten
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: at all times, so I think. So anyways, you've got
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: to maintain some sort of sanity, and you've got to
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: set your your expectations to a realistic level. You know.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I can't expect every year to go out and try to,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you know, kill a one eight or one ninety when
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: most of the time there isn't one there, you know.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably another huge misconception that people have.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And I know that Mark, You've touched on it in
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: a few podcasts, you know, just talking about like for example,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Holy Shield. You know, there's a deer that just like
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: huge body, you know, but he's just don't have the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: genetics to be a hunter eight you know, And there's
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: plenty of those are in Iowa, there's plenty of them
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: in Illinois. They're all over the place. You know. I've
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: got a farm that I leased in northwestern Illinois right
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: now that we probably have eight or ten bucks on
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: trail camera this summer. I don't think I have one over.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I got a deer out there. I don't know how
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: old he is, but he's a tank. He's gonna be
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: three D plus ponds on the during the summer, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: he's like an eight inch rack. I mean, it's like, yeah,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: he's just doesn't have the genetics, you know, and it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: just just the way it is. So is he a
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: shooter still for you? I think so, you know, and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: here in Illinois were very fortunate to get you know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: two bucks as a resident. So you know, I'm not
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: planning on hunting that farm a ton where I live
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: here and where we hunt here. There's just not a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: lot of deer in general anymore. You know, we've had
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: c w D now for well over a decade. Um,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of sharp shooting going on, which
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I know is kind of a heated debate um with hunters.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You know, they got signs up all over the place
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to tell the Leonardo stop sharp shooting the deer. So,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: just in general, the deer numbers around here are down.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So I don't intend on shooting a dough. I don't
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: think on either one of my local farms. There's just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: not a lot of them. Um. So if I want
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to shoot a dough and get some meat, I really
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: needed to to head out to my lease, which unfortunately
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: is about two hours away. So while I'm out there
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: trying to shoot a dough. Uh, you know, if one
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: of these more mature bucks walks by, I'm absolutely going
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: to shoot him. Um. I like shooting deer as much
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: as the next guy, and I'm not going to hold out,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you know, for a one sixty year better a good
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: four or five six seventy eight year old deer walks
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: in front of me, He's getting a narrow flung at him. Okay,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: now let's say though, Let's say you fill your tag
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: on a on a buck like that, Yep, your first tag,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you got your second and final tag, and you still
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: have this one eighty running around and this one sixty
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: that you've been talking about that you're hoping to see. Now,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: do you pass on other mature bucks because you want
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to save that last tag for one of those two?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Or would you still take your first opportunity to mature buck.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I'd probably pass for one of those two. I mean,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I don't need to fill that second tag. You know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: for some reason, this big gear happens to elude me
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: or my buddy Mike that I hunt with, or all
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the cars that are around, and make it till five.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be disappointed. I'll actually be pretty
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: excited to see what he turns into next year. Um
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: but believe me, I'm gonna hunt my ass off and
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: try to kill him this fall to make sure that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen. But if it does, I'm not gonna be
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: mad about it. So yeah, I mean, if I fill
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: that first tag, the second one is earmarked most likely
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: for the bigger of the two. Even that one sixty
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I may not even I may not even hunt that
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: farm at all. I mean, you just focus solely on
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that other buck, uh and try to kill him with
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: that second tag. But that would be a great problem
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to have. I guess I'll cross that bridge if and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: when I get there. Right right now, you mentioned a
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: second ago to c w D in your area there. Um,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: do you get your dear tested that you kill in
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: that area? Yep? I do. I have not. I know
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: a couple of folks who have UM in this area,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: but I personally have not. No, none of mine have
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: tested positive yet. Our infection rate is still pretty low
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: in Illinois, even in what they consider kind of our
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: hot spots where they're you know, the c w D
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: kind of like the ground zero spot and some of
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: these areas of really high deer densities. Um, you know,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: our infection rates are probably still sub ten in adult males,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you know, whereas up in Wisconsin, Iowa County that area. Um,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: you know you're starting to see forty infection rates and
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: adult males that are tested up there. So you know
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: that that's that's the debate, right, I Mean, guys don't
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: want that DNA are sharp shooting the deer because they
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: want to see more deer right. We're hunters. When we
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: go out, we want to see deer, and it is
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: frustrating when you go out and you see a deer
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: every second or third or fourth sit. It does make
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: for a long season. But at the same time, you know,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question that what the DNR
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: is doing to keep deer numbers in check has certainly
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: helped slow the spread of the disease. As we all know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: there's nothing we're gonna do to st op it, um,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: but we do need to try to do what we
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: can to to slow it down. So, I mean, I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: in favor of what the dn R is doing. I
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: believe in it. Uh, there's a lot of hunters out
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: there that don't and will probably be mad at me
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: for saying this. Um, But I mean there's places out there,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you know, in Illinois where there's just simply too many deer,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: especially in northwestern Illinois. Um, they go do aerial surveys
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: with helicopters, and when you've got deer density of forty
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: fifty sixty deer per square mile, like there's just too
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: many deer there, the dna R wants to go in
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and send the numbers out in those specific areas, they
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: do aerial surveys. They section each county off into zones.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: They do a survey in that zone and see how
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: many deer in it during the winter when they're snow
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: on the ground. Then they say, we want to shoot
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: x number of deer out of the zone, and to
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: try to bring the numbers down, they try to work
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: with private landowners to say, hey, can we come in
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and sharp shoot. Most of them say no because they're like,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: you know, screw you. We don't want you to come
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: in here and shooting our deer. Um they And then
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the big thing that hunters always say is why don't
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: you just let us do it? Right? If you're gonna
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: shoot them, let us do it. Well, in Illinois, we
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: have unlimited dough tags, right, we excuse my doughs we
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: want with archery equipment. Um, but nobody's out doing that, right,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: So everybody says like, well, why don't you just let
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: us do it? But then they don't actually do it
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: because again they want to see a lot of deer.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: So there's not a lot of options, you know, for
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the d n R when it comes to trying to
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: control this. So sharpshooting has has truly proven to be.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I believe the best option on the table um, contrary
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to the dismay of a lot of hunters and what
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: they may believe. Um, so yeah, I mean, it is
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: what it is. You take the good with the bad.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: We still have some great deer, we have some great hunting. Hopefully,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: at some point in time, somebody will find a vaccine
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: or a cure or something. I mean, even if it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: ten twenty years from now, I know they're working on it.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So let's just hope that happens. Yeah, yeah, I agree
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: with you there. And it's it's one of those things,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: like to your point, when it's when it's a low
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: infection rate, it's easy for people say, oh, it's not
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that big of a deal. It's been here, blah blah blah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: But you know, like you set up in some of
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: those spots in Wisconsin were or bucks have, you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: are positive what happens when well, already I think a
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: lot of people are very hesitant to eat that meat.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: What happens if someday in the next few years or
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: ten years or something, it comes to light that there
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: has been a case that has transmitted to humans, then
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: then I think you have a lot of questions and concerns,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: and if you can't shoot the meat of a deer,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you kill anymore where you hunt? Um, what does that
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: mean for the future of hunting? Yeah, I mean, I
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I know that. I mean, I just listened to you
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: on on Ronella's podcast here recently. I listened to him
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, I'm always interested in his
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: talks about c w D. And you know, I'm of
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the belief that you know, Yeah, I mean, should somebody
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: realize that when they eat a CWD positive animal, there
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: is a one in a billionth chance you're gonna get sick. Sure,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: you know, but honestly, I mean not to be a
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: debbie down here, but any one of us have a
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: better chance of getting, you know, in a car accident
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: on our way to go hunting and get killed from
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: that or get struck by lightning even than we do
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: a country acting c w D from eating a deer
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: that's positive. So you just have to keep everything in perspective,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: like I wouldn't be hesitant to do it. Um, it's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: it's the odds of it happening are virtual easier as
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: of right now, they are zero. It's never happened, not
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: to say that it can't or won't. My bigger concern
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: over you know, humans getting infected with it, UH is
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: more or less. You know, what does the hunting industry
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: look like in ten, fifteen, twenty years when you start
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: seeing infection rates in adult males? Uh? You know that
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: keep increasing? You know, and as we all know, once
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: a deer contracts c w D, it's fatal. They're gonna die.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Um so, and a lot of your younger bucks contracted.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: You know, let's say a year and a half old
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: deer contracts it. Let's say he's dead by the time
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he's two or three years old. In a lot of
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: cases he's dying from hunters or natural causes, or cars
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But if they start dying from c w
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: D and those deer aren't making it to four or five,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: six years old, let's face it. I mean, that's kind
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of what makes the hunting industry go around. We all
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: love me, we all love venison. That's that's d of
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the core of why we hunt, right But beyond that,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: we like we like the thrill of chasing big bucks.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Big bucks makes hunting go around. And when those big
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: bucks stop existing or exist, in such a low number
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: that people can't chase him anymore. What is that? What
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: does that look like for the hunting industry? Does that
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: mean guys start turning towards other hobbies, doing other things, um,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: which takes money out of the industry, you know, which
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: takes money out of conservation. I mean there's this kind
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: of whole snowball effect that you know, we may not
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: see the ramifications of it for ten fifty thirty years,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: but when all of our kids are our age, what's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that landscape gonna look like? You know? That's I'm kind
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: of thinking, you know, bigger picture wise. You know. Yeah,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: it sucks when the DNR shoots some deer and I
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: don't see as many, but I still have the opportunity
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: to go hunt. There's plenty of deer here. I could
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: kill a deer every year, you know, and now I
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: have to worry about needing the meat. But what's that
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: can look like in thirty forty years from now? Yeah? Yeah,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I think I think to your point, it's there's a
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: lot of questions still, and if if things keep going
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the way they're going and we don't start finding solutions,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: or if you don't take this seriously, there are some
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: concerning things that could be on the horizon. So I think,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: even though we don't have any answers right now, I
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: think it's just let's not pretend this isn't an issue.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Let's not put our heads in the sand and just
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: try to pretend everything's okay. Let's actually be serious about it,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: continue to better understand it, UM, and support those organizations
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: or our state agencies that are trying to do their
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: best to get their get their hands on this. I'm
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: going to uh A symposium in Michigan next week, a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: CWD symposium is what they're calling it, where they're having
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: experts from all across the country come in and discuss
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: research and different best practices and all this kind of stuff,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and I'll be really interested to hear what they have
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: to share. So UM, I'm glad to see that states
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: like Michigan and others are trying to be be stay
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: on top of it, I guess would be the best
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: way to put it and do the best they can.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: And I hope that continues, and that, like you said,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: justin hopefully vaccine or something comes down the line here
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: soon so we don't have a future thirty years from
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: now that it's got a lot of big question marks.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah, oh, it would be nice if
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of hunters would would do more to educate
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: themselves about the disease um, what it is, how it's transmitted.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there that just I
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: don't know that. There's literally people that think that like
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: this doesn't even exist, Like it's not even a real thing.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: It's made up. It's a government conspiracy here, it's being
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: backed by the insurance companies. Are all these just crazy
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that you know, just simply aren't true. You know,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's not even the the average Joe who
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: thinks that that's leaders in the industry that yeah, yeah,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: it it is. Dan, I agree with you. I mean,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: if people would just take the time to do some research,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: educate themselves, you know, and make an important decision, and
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I guess to open that discussion of I mean that
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: goes for all things in life. There's a lot of
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: crap going on in the world right now, for better
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: or for worse. With social media, there's a lot of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: people that kind of just fall for stupid headlines and
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: what other stupid people are saying. I wish everybody would
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: just kind of stop for a minute, use your own brain,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: do some research before you make an opinion, and then
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: go spouting it off to everybody. Yeah, but that's a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: that's a whole another tangent we don't have to get into.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about let's talk about killing deer. Yeah, let's
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: talk about something good. Um, I want to hear about
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: because you kind of intrigued me when you've been talking
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: about your kind of suburban hunting situation there and these
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: couple of giant bucks. Um, so what does your early
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: season plan look like getting after one of these two
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: big guys in this kind of scenario, because we actually,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think Dan, we've ever talked to anyone but
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: maybe one person who's really talked about hunting in that
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: kind of suburban type area. So I'm kind of I'm
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: curious about what how you're approaching it, what your plans
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: are this year, and what are like some of the
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: tactics or thoughts that are on your mind as you
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: start the season. Right, Well, I think I'm really gonna
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: let you guys down here on that. I think you're
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: you're looking for something that's not there because I'll be
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: completely frank, I don't have any right now, um, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: for for a couple of different reasons. Um. Number one,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I've just because we start October one, and I don't
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: know about you guys, but I've never really had any
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: good luck in the first half of October with mature
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: box on their feet, at least where I'm at. Unless
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: we get a really good cold snap, that first couple
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: of days of the season just doesn't seem to happen.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Looks like we got a cold snap coming like tomorrow,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: which is about four or five days too early for
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: for this Sunday being the opener. Uh. So, honestly, my
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: plan is to not even really hunt either one of
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: those two deer, probably until starting in mid October. Um.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: My plan actually is that is to take my little guy,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: my five year old, out with me to sit in
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the ground blind uh and try to shoot a dough
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: these first two weekends. I'm gonna use some of the
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: warmer weather and the fact that a lot of these
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: bigger bucks really aren't moving so much, um, or at
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: least if they are, I don't know where they're at.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I haven't had the time or done
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: the du eligence to try to figure that out. Um,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: but my plan is to kind of just lay off
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: my two better spots these first couple of weeks, um,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and then potentially you know when the when the wind
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: and the weather is right, um, go in for some
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: afternoon sits starting probably in mid October for those deer. Um,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be hunting either one of them very
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: much before, like um about the seventh of October. I
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: actually I'm gonna be in Kansas from I think the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: one through I have to be home for my son's
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: first birthday on the UH. And then after that, like
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: through Halloween is really when I plan on getting after
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: those those two dear, you know when that pre rud
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: is really kicking in. So my first couple of weeks here,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out with a little guy. I got
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: a ground blind set up at my lease, and I'm
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: gonna try to shoot a dough honestly, with with him
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: in the blind with me. That's my my goal for
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: the first couple of weekends here. It makes it makes
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: sense given this scenario laying out there. Um, but do
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you do you do anything during that time period that
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you're actually hunting to still try together intel. I mean,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: do you have a trail camera situation going on? Anything else?
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are you doing to gain intel at
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: that point? I mean, I'm a trail camera junkie. I
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: mean I probably have cameras deployed right now between my
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: various properties that I hunt. I don't check them very
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: often this time of year. I'll check them usually when
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I go hunting. But I'll tell you what. The cellular
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: trail cameras are fantastic. They text me pictures right to
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: my phone, so I can I can keep an eye
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: on what's going on that way. Um, you know, fortunately
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: where the biggest buck is at. It's a property I've
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: been hunting for a long long time. I know what
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: the deer do. I generally know where they move kind
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: of when they move, when that pre rut starts heating up.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: All my stands have been set mostly in the same
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: places for a few years now. They're all trimmed and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: ready to go, So now it's kind of just waiting
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: for the right time to get in there and and
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and go after them. But yeah, definitely, trail camera data
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: is gonna tell me a lot. And then I'll just
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: watch the weather you know, I'm a firm believer in
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: these hold fronts, uh in you know, early to mid October,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: even through late October. If we can get a good
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: cold front, because these spots are local, I'll just sneak
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: out of work early in an afternoon and go home,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: you know, and try to capitalize on those those weather fronts. Yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: So if you're a big boy doesn't show up, you know,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: because you've punted this property for a long time. If
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: he doesn't show up on trail camera for like, uh,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, in between a couple of checks, are
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: you worried at any point that this buck has maybe
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: been shot or has disappeared, or you know your property
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: well enough that he's probably could still be there and
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it's just on a different piece of the property. Uh,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: I'd say. I mean, if I went, you know, three
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: or four weeks without a picture, I would probably get worried.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: But you know, if I check cameras and then go
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: back the next week and check them and don't have them,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. That doesn't ever worry me. I mean, I
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: didn't get pictures of that year this summer until gosh,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: mid August. I want to say it was before I
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: got any summer time pictures of him in velvet, So,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I mean I was starting to get a little worried,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: thinking like where is he? Um, But then he showed
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: up and he's been a regular on camera. I mean
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: he's on I got one cellular camera on that farm
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: on a scrape and he's there every three or four
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: nights now, pretty regularly during the middle of the night. Um.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: So I wake up in the morning and I got
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: a picture of him on my phone kind of doing
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: it his weekly rounds. So yeah, I'm not super super concerned.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I mean there's guys on around me on neighboring properties,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I know most of them, um, And I think it
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: probably has a better chance of getting hit by a
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: car than he does killed by another hunter. Um. Just
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: where we're at, I've got a four lane you know,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the highway that that border is probably a mile of
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: the property that I'm on. Uh So, I mean that's like,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you know, seventy cars and trucks and semis all day,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: all night. So he's probably got a better chance of
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: getting smacked by a car out there than he does,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: you know, killed by another hunter. Now what about what
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: about the opposite, So the what if in the early
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: season that cell camera starts showing daylight pictures of him,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna scrap your plan and all of a
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: sudden decided to move in there? You are you staying
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: on the march absolutely? I mean, I mean, you start
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: getting daylight pictures of a buck, you better get your
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: ass in there and kill him, you know, because I mean,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: once they start doing that, that's when they're they're killable.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Why wait you know? So yeah, I mean I for
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: some reason that happens absolutely generally speaking on this farm
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: with the bucks of that age, and even with this buck,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: he usually doesn't start showing up daylight till the end
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: of October. I think last year I had him like
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: on the I don't remember, somewhere around there, first started
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: showing up on scrapes during daylight. Um. So that's kind
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: of been my plan is just wait till that, you know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: later part of October um and get in there and
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: try to kill him then. But if it happens sooner
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: than than great, you know. I think there's a lot
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: of there's a lot of guys out there that you know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: and I know a few of them, and I hunt
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: with her. I'm friends with it. I mean, they listen
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: to all the podcast right, they read all the blogs,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: they watch all the YouTube videos, and there's so much
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: information out there nowadays. It's like early season takets fine
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: where the bucks bed and go in and get super
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: close to their their betting area, or the bump them
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: and dump them and all these things that I just
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: think like they work sometimes, but the percentage of times
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: that those things work, especially for a novice hunter, is
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: so low. You know. I just feel like there's a
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: lot of guys that just read something or hear something
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: or see something and they just go out and do it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And man, I mean, I've always felt like you're kind
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: of playing with fire if you get too aggressive too
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: early in the year. You know, I've learned, as I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: get a little bit older to just relax a little bit,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: back it down, wait till the time's right, and go
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: in and try to kill him. Then seem to have
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: better luck doing that than I do getting super aggressive
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and trying to, you know, sneak in. You know, I
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: got in this stand and I'm fifty yards from a
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: bedded buck well. I mean, dude, I don't know about
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: you guys, but that's a hard thing to do without
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: spooking a deer, you know, So I prefer to just
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: wait till the time is right when they're moving a
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: little bit during the daylight, hit those scrapes. UM. I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: really kind of key in on scrapes and field edges
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: and maybe some food plots, you know, where the does
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: are going to be at during uh late October and
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: for the best. So so, speaking of like scrapes, you
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: mentioned this in relation to trailt cameras too earlier. What
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: what what? What is your trail camera kind of set
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: up and plan in October? Do you have everything out
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: already and you're just leaving it untouched until you start
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: hunting more or do you move things around? Um? Curious
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, my summertime, I usually put all of
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: my cameras on field edges, um, just because I don't
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: know about where you guys are at, but where we're
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: at here are mosquitoes during the summer are god awful.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I mean they're horrendous. You can't even step foot in
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: the woods, uh during the summertime without just getting destroyed
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: by mosquitoes. So I try to keep everything on field
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: edges where it's easy to check. Not a super far
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: walk from the truck or I can pretty us drive
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: right to it during the summertime and then usually right
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: about the time when velvet comes off. Um, I move
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: the vast majority of my cameras to scrapes just because
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I know that's where I'm going to get the most
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: concentrated and best activity. Uh. And I feel like it's
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: a good indicator of when the bucks really start moving
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: during the daylight. So during the early part of the season,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not super religious about checking cameras, you know, I'll
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I'm an opportunistic camera checker. I'll check them on my
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: way into or out of my stands if I happen
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: to be going by one of them. But I'm not
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the kind of guy that's gonna go circle through my
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: whole property and check every camera one day like in
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: early October. Um, you know, once we hit that fifteen
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: to the twentieth, then I'll start trying to check them
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit more regularly to see what bucks are
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: showing up where and really try to key in on
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: when you start seeing that first daytime activity of your
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: bigger bucks. Anyways, on those scrapes, I feel like that's
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: just a great indicator of what's happening, and it kind
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: of lets you know when you should be gearing up
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: to get in there. Mm hmm, so that mid October,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: mid to the later third of October. Then if we're
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: saying that you took kind of a couple of weeks there,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: shoot does and stay out of your good spots. Now
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: if we move up to or something in there, if
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: we do get that cold front like you mentioned, or
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: maybe you get a daylight picture that indicates, all right,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: maybe there's some daily activity going. What are the kinds
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: of setups that you're gonna be in at that point?
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Is it scrapes like you just mentioned, or anything else
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: like more detailed? Ah Man, I try to keep it
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: simple and I try to stick to the basic principles
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: that I feel are pretty solid no matter where you
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: go hunt betting areas in the morning and food sources
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: slash scrapes in the evenings. I'm a pretty simple dude.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: So you know, I've got a couple of morning setups
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: where I feel like I can sneak into them without
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: disturbing the destination foods sources that are in or close
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: to or on travel corridors. Back to betting, uh in October,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: in mid October, and then evenings. You know, I'm kind
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: of an edge hunter. I don't like to push too
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: far into the woods in the evenings. Um, So yeah,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I mean I key in on those scrapes, on those
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: field edges, especially like around here. If I can find
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: a field edge or something that's kind of hidden from
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: view from a road or from a house, usually that's
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: going to be the most active area during daylight. So
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I'll try to key on on those areas. Actually, the
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: stand where I passed this buck last year, uh is
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: right on kind of a field edge. Or the deer
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: don't really come out into the field too much, but
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: they parallel the field edge right on the inside of
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: the woods kind of looking out into the field. They
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: come out to this corner and they usually check a scrape, um,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: and they do one of two things. They either wait
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: till dark to go out and cross the field, or
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: they turn around the head back into the woods and
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: go somewhere else. So like that's a really good spot,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: like an evening spot for me. Um. And like I said, mornings,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: you know, especially in mid October, if you can get
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: a cold front, something that's maybe going to keep those
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: books on their feet a little bit later than they
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: normally would be, uh, and you could sneak into one
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: of those betting areas where you feel like you can
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: truly get back in there before that deer is coming
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: back to bed, and you can catch them back in there.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Then then that's where I've traditionally had success in October.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I've killed most of my October deer or bucks, i
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: should say, on morning hunts, which I know is contrary
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: to what a lot of people are saying these days.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like the trendy thing to do right
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: now is like, don't hunt mornings in October. Um, I've
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: killed deer on October eighteen nineteen, you know, and then
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: we start getting Halloween. Like, I've killed deer on mornings
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: all those all those days. But every one of them
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: is coincided with a with a cold front. Every single
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: one of them is coincided with a significant drop in
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: temperature that I believe has kept those bucks you know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: out and about you know a little bit later, maybe
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: checking scrapes looking for dose before they decided to go
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: back to bed. Yeah, everything's everything's circumstantial, right, It's all
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: based on this whatever the different conditions are and man,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I desperately try to stay trendy, but you're absolutely right.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes there are circumstances where you need to break
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: the traditional rules. Um. I know, Dan just likes to
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: go plowing right through the food sources straight into the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: bedding area every morning, and he just likes to get
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: after it. But but we all did that when we
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: were younger. I mean I remember being probably I don't
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: know if I was in high school or maybe just
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: like right in college eighteen nineteen somewhere and there. My
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: dad used to drive me up to the top of
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: this field on the property we hunted. It was a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: cut corn field. You drive me all the way to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: the top of it, and I would walk across this
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: cut corn fields, probably a hundred acre field. I would
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: walk right on the peak of it, like the flat spot,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: all the way across, probably a quarter mile or more
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: across this cut corn field, and then I'd get into
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: my stand. It was like ten yards on the inside
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: the edge of the field, and there would be deer
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: running everywhere every morning. When I walked in that field,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I could see him with my light, you know, tails
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: and eyeballs, and then I'd get in there and I
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: get ready to hunt, and I'd see like one deer
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that morning, and I come on, be like, man, I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: don't know what happened. There was deer everywhere when I
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: walked in, and then and then I didn't see anything,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I just I guess I didn't know any
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: better then until I learned, like, don't go pounding through
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the middle of the food source in the morning, and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: you'll have a lot better luck. Uh huh. There's a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: few basic principles like that that can make a big difference. Yeah, well,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I think you know, not to tune our own horns here.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: But the the really, the advent and the popularity of
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: the Internet in general has really sped up the learning
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: curve of today's hunter. You know, you can listen to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: a podcast or read a blog or watch a YouTube video,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: and you can pick up information that used to take
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: you years to learn through trial and error. You know,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many years I walked through
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: that stupid cornfield, you know, before one day something finally clicked.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: But now, as a younger hunter, you know, you can
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: the wealth of information that's available out there from experienced
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: people with real world knowledge, Like it's just so much greater,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Like your learning curve is so much shorter nowadays, you know,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: to become, you know, a halfway decent deer hunter, there's
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: you still can't replace experience, you know, but you can
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: learn a lot of the basics a lot quicker than
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: that I went through with my trial and error. As
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: a young man. I used to hunt from the ground
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: a lot, used to do a lot of quote unquote
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: still hunting when I thought that was a thing, because
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I've read a magazine article about it, and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: uh so, my buddy Mike and I were in high school.
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  Speaker 1: We'd go out hunting after school. You know. We we
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  Speaker 1: had all of our clothes in the back seat of
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  Speaker 1: our car. We get out there to our hunting spot.
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  Speaker 1: We get dressed, spray down with our earth scented everything.
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  Speaker 1: We had waivers, and we'd and we'd walk out in
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  Speaker 1: the woods and we'd clear spot extra tree. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: hut out a tree, stands kick out some leaves next
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  Speaker 1: to a tree and sit there and wait right and
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  Speaker 1: I'd wait in about a half hour before dark, when
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  Speaker 1: it was getting to be prime time, we were like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now it's time to go do a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: still hunting. So we'd get up and start walking around
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  Speaker 1: the woods and try to sneak from tree to tree
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  Speaker 1: during that last prime time to see if we can
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  Speaker 1: catch a deer on their feet. We had no rhyme
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  Speaker 1: or reason as to where we were going or why
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  Speaker 1: we were going there or anything, you know, and it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a wonder we ever managed to happen into a
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  Speaker 1: deer that let us shoot it. You know, that's awesome,
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  Speaker 1: But it's funny looking back on those old days. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think we all have experiences their stories
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  Speaker 1: like that. All right, well, I think this is a
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  Speaker 1: good place first take a quick break to thank our
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  Speaker 1: with white Tail Properties, we are joined by Justin Mason,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: a land specialists out of Kentucky, and Justin is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be telling us about what government programs are available to
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  Speaker 1: help landowners generate additional income on their property. So I
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  Speaker 1: think you know the number one thing to remember is
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  Speaker 1: on your hunting property as long as you own it.
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  Speaker 1: There are programs that you could be eligible for UM.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of break them down into a couple of categories.
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  Speaker 1: There are one time enrollment programs like the Wetland Reserve program.
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  Speaker 1: You enroll the program one time, it pays up front,
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  Speaker 1: and then that you know, that program is established for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times in the lifetime of the property.
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  Speaker 1: The most common would be those annual payment programs like
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  Speaker 1: CRP UM. It's short for Conservation Reserve Program and really
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: what CRP does is it pays the landowner not to
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  Speaker 1: farm the property, so it goes into either some sort
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  Speaker 1: of UM annual program with either trees. You either play
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  Speaker 1: some trees or a lot of It is uh kind
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  Speaker 1: of a cool season drafts, which when you're hunting those
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Midwest states and you see those CRP fields, that's that's
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  Speaker 1: what a lot of those are enrolled in UM. So
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  Speaker 1: those are probably the most common types of government programs.
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  Speaker 1: O N H. Gosh, how do things for you start changing?
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  Speaker 1: Once we get into those rut phases. Um. I mean
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  Speaker 1: there's like the there's the traditional things that we always
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  Speaker 1: talk about. Do you do you feel like your traditionalist
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the rut? I mean hunting all day,
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  Speaker 1: hunting near betting ears or a pinch point, just put
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  Speaker 1: in the time, or do you do anything different again,
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  Speaker 1: I go back to I just like to keep it simple,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I like to hunt pinch points and funnels
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  Speaker 1: during the rut when it's when the time's right and
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  Speaker 1: the most specifically, when the weather's right. I like to
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  Speaker 1: hunt all day when I can. Um a lot of
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  Speaker 1: my all day sits, I'll do like, uh, if I'm
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  Speaker 1: on a single piece of property, I might do like
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  Speaker 1: a betting area in the morning, um, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: hunt that through like a day. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you just need to break up the monotony, so
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  Speaker 1: I'll get down and maybe walk a couple of hundred
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  Speaker 1: yards to another stand on that same property and climb
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  Speaker 1: up for the rest of the afternoon. Sit. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard sitting in on a little tree stand all
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  Speaker 1: damn day. I mean, I do it, and I've done it,
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  Speaker 1: but I really prefer to get down, stretch my legs,
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  Speaker 1: eat a sandwich real quick, you know, maybe spend twenty
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  Speaker 1: minutes in between one stand in the next stand, um,
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe hunt a food source in the evening.
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  Speaker 1: Something along those lines. I'll do a lot um. But again,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I try to be just a traditional stick
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  Speaker 1: with the stuff that's worked for centuries. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not trying to reinvent the wheel here. Bucks are going
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  Speaker 1: to be moving in between betting areas, get in those funnels,
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  Speaker 1: and those pinch points, hit the food sources in the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: evenings because they're looking for does um. And then I
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  Speaker 1: think maybe the one thing that I do that that's
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  Speaker 1: more of a modern technique is you know, I do
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  Speaker 1: move stands a lot during the season. Um. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we use all all lone wolf stuff, which I think
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: is you know, great, super portable. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good options on the market, probably more than there's ever
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  Speaker 1: been for being able to do these running gun type setups.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not the kind of guy that's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I've had this stand here forever and it's always produced.
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  Speaker 1: But I hunt it twice and I see the deer
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  Speaker 1: using the other side of the field more than they
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  Speaker 1: have in the past. I'm yanking that standard, I'm grabbing
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  Speaker 1: a new one, and I'm going over there, and I'm
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang in hunt. So I'm a really big
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  Speaker 1: advocate of hunting fresh sign doing some in season scouting.
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  Speaker 1: Um that that's probably the one thing I do a
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  Speaker 1: lot of that I would consider more of a newer
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: type of technique. So when you're doing that in season scouting,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: is that just scouting that's happening while you're already walking
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  Speaker 1: from point A to point B. Or do you actively say,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna go explore a new spot or
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  Speaker 1: check out this region specifically because you want to scout
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: it a little bit of both. I'd say the majority
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  Speaker 1: of it is just weigh in and way out type
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  Speaker 1: stuff where it's like, oh, hey man, it looks like
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: they're really using this. You know. I try to I
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  Speaker 1: try to park pretty far from where I'm hunting. The
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: last last year, I got kind of lazy with with
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: what I was doing, and I was driving entirely too
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: far into my property and parking, and I think I
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: screwed up some of my hunts. But in the past, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I try to, I try to park pretty
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  Speaker 1: far away and take the long way in just to
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  Speaker 1: avoid deer where I can, uh, So you get a
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  Speaker 1: lot of scouting done that way. And then a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times what I'll do, honestly, like a good example is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'll be out at my lease, it's two
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  Speaker 1: hours away, and i'll hunt let's say a Sunday morning,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: and I know I'm not coming back to that property
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: toil maybe next weekend. I'm gonna go home that afternoon
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hunt Sunday night local to home so
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I can get home. So I'll do my morning hunt
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll be like, you know what, I'm not
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: coming back here for a week. I'll go walk that
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  Speaker 1: whole piece of property because I don't care if I
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  Speaker 1: if I spook something, if I bumped something. I need
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  Speaker 1: to know what's going on in there if I want
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  Speaker 1: to try to, you know, kill an animal. Obviously, if
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  Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of deer and I'm confident and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: where I'm at, I might not do that. But if
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: it's like, man, I haven't really been seeing the deer
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  Speaker 1: that I'm used to, Let's go check camera. Let's go
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: walk this whole thing and see what the hell is
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: going on out there because patterns do change from year
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: to year. You know, food sources change every year, the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: neighbors are doing different things. Someone put a fence up,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: someone took a fence down, whatever the case may be. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I think having that knowledge of what's happening at that
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  Speaker 1: specific time and being able to move in on it
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  Speaker 1: quickly prevents it or offers a huge advantage for today's
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  Speaker 1: kind of modern hunter. Now, with with that said, you
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: know you say patterns change. Mark and I on the
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  Speaker 1: show talk a lot about annual patterns. Let's say a
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  Speaker 1: buck shows up, isn't on your property at all until
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: X day every year. Are you a fan or do
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: you believe in annual patterns and do you have an
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  Speaker 1: example of maybe seeing that on any of the properties
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  Speaker 1: that you hunt? Yeah, definitely. I mean the annual patterns
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  Speaker 1: are a pain in the ass for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: because you get these deer that show up in the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: summer and velvet, you know, and then they leave. So
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: I've got one of those. The deer's I don't know,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: seven years old probably now. He shows up every year
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  Speaker 1: usually in August. Uh start when our our acorns dropped
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  Speaker 1: pretty early. Where we're at here, we got a lot
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: of white oak acorns on some of the farms that hunt,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: so when those white oaks start dropping into the alfalfa fields.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: This buck shows up every year in August, stays for
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, usually right untill about when the
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  Speaker 1: velvet's going to come off, and then he disappears and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: never to be seen again, never found a shed, nothing, Um,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: you know. Likewise, I usually have one or two bucks
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  Speaker 1: to show up every year in the fall that weren't
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: there during the summer, that are just kind of relocating
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason. So yeah, I definitely believe in those
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  Speaker 1: those annual patterns. The bitch about those annual patterns, though, is,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: you know, as predictable as they are, they're usually based
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: on like a per dear thing, Like each deer has
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: got its thing it does. Some deer move, some dear don't.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: I have some deer their home bodies and they just
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: they're they're all year long. Some deer aren't. So it's
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: really hard to base anything on that in a lot
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: of cases if you don't know the deers even alive.
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  Speaker 1: If I did that last year, um, the farm where
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: I passed the big deer, we didn't have any bucks
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: on camera older than three years old. And this is
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: like a I don't know, six or eight hundred acre farm, right,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: there was nothing older than three years old. The year
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: prior to that, UM, all of our deer got either
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: killed by neighbors or hit by cars. We lost like
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: three or four really good bucks to cars that year.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: So last year I didn't have any deer older than
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: three years old. But I knew that traditionally something would
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: show up in November from across the road somewhere, and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I'd have a good buck that would come through the
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: property at some point, usually later in November, say after
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: thet So I hunted that farm pretty hard hoping that
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: was going to happen, and it never did. Unfortunately, I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: never got a single trail camera picture I had a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: sighting of any deer on that farm older than three
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: years old. So I was hunting something that I was
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: hoping was going to happen, Versus what I should have
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: been doing was going to my other spot where I
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: know I had to bona fide four year olds that
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I would have loved to shoot um. But for some reason,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I was hung up on hunting this other farm, thinking
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: something's going to show up the other farm is a
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: little easier to hunt, better access. You know, I like
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: my stand placement better. So I was like, I'm just
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: gonna keep going here. Something's got to show up eventually,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: and it just never happened. Um, and then I let
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: the other farm with two shooters just sit for some
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: stupid reason. It wasn't a good wasn't a good choice.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Happens the best, that's for sure. Um. Talking about tree
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: stand placement. If I want to rewind us a little
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: bit to something you were saying earlier about the fact
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: that you run and gun a lot. One of the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: things that I'm always challenged with is how many like
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: observations or how many like data points do I need
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: to see before I make that change. So let's say
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting on one side of clearing and I see
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: a deer a buck on the opposite side. Do I
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: need to see him once and then I should move?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Or should I see him do the same thing twice
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: and make the move? Or you know, what's the number
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: for you? Or when are you willing to say? Are
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: that thresh has been passed? This time to pull and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: reset up? Ah? Man, That's that's a hard one, right
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: because that's the uh. I saw him over there once,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: I moved my stand over there, and then as soon
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: as I got there, he was back over you know.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: So I usually like to say more than once. Uh.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: For the most part, I think a lot of it
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: depends on the time of year. And for me, it's
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: not so much Al West sightings as it is signed
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: because I'm only in the woods so every so often.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hunt weekends like everybody else. I sneak
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: in a few evening hunts during the week, you know,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: in late October, and that's really about it. So I
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: don't get as many like observational type sits as I'd
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: like to have, as most of us would like to have.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm relying on trail camera data in a lot
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: of cases, and I'm relying on sign I mean, if
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just seeing all of a sudden a bunch of
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: fresh scrapes open up, or fresh rubs or tracks or
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: just whatever the case may be, and I'm like, man,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: something's going on over here. I need to get in here.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: I'll move in on something without ever having uh seen
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: a deer there before. You know. I don't think that's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing, but I won't yank what I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: believe to be a good stand and move it based
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: simply on one sighting of a deer, you know, across
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: a field where I don't have a stand like I
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: still try to believe that most of my scouting is accurate,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: that my stands are in good spots until I've really
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: been proven otherwise I haven't understand like twice and I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: don't have a deer in in bow range and I
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: feel like it's the right conditions, is the right time
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: of year, and nothing's happening, like I may abandon that
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: stand for the rest of the year. I may yank
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: it and pull it somewhere else. I'm not one to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: usually stick a stand out for a long period of
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: time if it's not proving itself. Do you have like
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: a set routine? I mean, for me, I'll go into
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: a spot that I feel good, whether I got a
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: trail camera picture or sign, and I'll let's say, I'll
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: hunt in evening, a morning and an evening, or a
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: morning and evening and a morning and then and then
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: give it like three hunts and then go Do you
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: have a set thing that you like to do you
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: or is it all kind of a shoot from the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: hip thing. I think it's a shoot from the hip
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. It base is based on again timy
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: year Win direction, whether France like that all kind of
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: plays a factor into like where I want to go
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: and what I believe that you're going to be doing. Um,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean I I try anyways, Again, because
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I'm fortunate to have a couple of spots to hunt,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I try not to pound them too hard. I try
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: to bounce between them. There aren't a lot of days
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: where I hunt the same farm morning and afternoon, like
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: here locally anyways, Um, I try to try to alternate
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: between the two of them. Obviously when I'm driving two
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: hours and I'm maybe staying overnight, Um, you know I'm
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: gonna hunt that same farm for a day, day and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: a half and then come home. Um. But yeah, I tried.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I just really try to bounce around a lot. Last year.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: I tried because I was really short on time last
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: year and you know, the new baby at work and
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: everything else. I had one stand that I just knew
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: was going to be a good stand. Um. It was
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: near a field edge, had a big scrape right in
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: front of it, ton a fresh sun around it. And
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I hunted that stand every time I had the right
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: wind and weather conditions. I went to it four or
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: five evenings, you know, over like a ten day period
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: something like that, and I never killed a buck from it. Uh.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: The last day I hunted it, I actually had to
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: hunt a morning instead of an afternoon. And Uh, I
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: went there that morning and hunted that stand, didn't see
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: a single deer. And I left, came back a couple
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: of days later, checked the trail camera that was on
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: that scrape, and uh, the big he was a twelve
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: pointer that I was after was on that scrape that
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: afternoon that I had been there, you know. And so
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: it's like my plan would have worked if I would
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: have just stayed the course and kept hunting that one stand.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Uh in evenings. I knew it was only a matter
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: of time before a buck showed in daylight. It was
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: like October. Um, it did work. I just wasn't there, unfortunately,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know what the right
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: answer is. I wish I did. I feel like there's
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys that pretend like they know what
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: the answer is. But in my opinion, you know, there, yes,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: there's guys that are that are very good at hunting,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: But so much of it just comes down to the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: amount of time you have to spend in the woods,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: in the quality of the property that you have. Do
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: you have a good property and you halfway know what
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: you're doing. You spend enough time out there, you're probably
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: going to get a shot at something. I know a
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: lot of guys that have killed a lot of deer
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: over the years that aren't the best hunters in the world.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: They just got a lot of time to do it. Yeah,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: So when you're limited on time like that because of
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: work or you know, you guys that have all these kids,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: is there anything? Is there anything here? Is there anything
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: you've learned that's helped you make the most of that
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: other than what we've already talked about. Honestly, man, I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: try to, uh as I call it, kind of picked
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: my battles right, both with the deer and with my
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: wife because I know that I'm only gonna have so
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: much time to hunt. So it's like, you know, the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: wife wants to go to the pumpkin patch this weekend,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's October even teens, but we've got
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: it's warm and it's eighties. Some degrees today with a
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: fifteen mile an hour south wind, and I'm like, you
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: know what, I'll take an afternoon off and I just
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: won't hunt this afternoon. I'll make the life happy, I'll
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: make the kids happy. We'll go get pumpkins and do
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: whatever we're gonna do, because the next time a cold
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: front comes in, I'm gonna cash in one of my
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: chips and say I'm going hunting tonight. Um. I think
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: just hunting when the time is right now. Not everybody
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: has afforded that opportunity. You know, if you're a guy
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: that's planning an out of state trip, or you're going
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: on an outfitted hunt with somebody and you're saying, hey,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: November one through the fifth, I'm gonna be in Missouri
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: with such and such outfitter, like you just take what
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: you can get. You know, you don't have that that luxury,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: So not everybody can do that. Fortunately, I'm in a
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: position where I get that flexibility from time to time. Uh,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: And I think that's made the world a difference in
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: some of my my hunting. Um, I've killed a lot
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: of my dear uh in the last you know couple
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: of years on those you know, Fridays or Mondays or
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: you know, Wednesday afternoon type of Sits all right with
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: those with those correct conditions. And you talked about the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: cold fronts that you like to key in on. Do
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: you pay attention to any other types of factors that
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: you know, get poster around there, like the moon or
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: pressure or anything like that. Is that factor in at
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: all for your man? I used to believe me, I've
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: listened to Mark Dreury on your podcast twenty times, as
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: as have the rest of the guys on our team,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, try to dissect it and everything, but
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is it just it boils
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: down to I only got so much time, you know.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: So it's like I used to worry about the wind,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Like I used to plan my weekend trips to my
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: lease based on the on the not the wind, the moon.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Um And I've been proving wrong so many times and
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's a full moon. They're not going
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: to be moving today. I'm just gonna stay at home.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: And then it's like everybody I know he's killing deer somewhere,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I thought they weren't supposed to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: be moving today. Well it turns out it was, you know,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: a weather front and high pressure. I think personally, weather
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: trumps everything else when it comes to deer movements, specifically
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: cold fronts, which are generally associated with you know, the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: pressure is usually gonna drop before the cold front, and
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: then once it passes through. Most of the time you
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: get those you know, bluebird skies have frost, hopefully a
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: light wind like that next morning after that front's gone. Uh,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: those seem to be the best times for me to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: kill deer. Like if I see that perfect storm of
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: like this is coming, I really try to just be
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: like I need to be in the woods on that day. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I'm right there with you.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: What do you think about this? Justin what do you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: think you're what's your greatest weakness as a hunter or
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: what do you what do you struggle with the most
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: if you had to somewhere executing the shot at the
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: moment of true Probably you know I've been I've traditionally
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: been pretty good about putting myself in positions to get
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: shots at animals. I've botched more of them than I
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: cared to admit. So that's probably the still the biggest
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: area that I struggle with um, and it's gotten a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: lot better with age and experience. Uh. And I think
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: just maybe lessening the pressure on myself. I really don't
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: feel pressure anymore when I'm when I shoot a dear.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm pretty confident in my ability as an
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: archer just in general. Um, but that's probably still the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: biggest area that I have to to work on. You know,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I can get close to him, I can get him
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: in there, you know, getting them killed another story. Yeah,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: So what kind of stuff have you done to try
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: to improve there so far? Have you changed at all
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: how you're practicing or anything with your archer or has
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: it just been get more experience, shooting more dear. Uh. Yeah,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: I'm more experienced shooting more dear um, and just shooting
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: my bow a lot more, you know, just because I
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: can pick up my bow and you know, hit a
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: bull's eye on that first shot. You know, every time
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: that's not necessarily enough. You know. Some of the guys
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: that that film for our show are people that I
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: know are our police officers that are involved in like you,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: whether it be swap teams or special response teams and stuff,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: and they preach a lot of you know, just constant
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: training in that muscle memory, because when you get put
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: into a situation that's kind of high stress, you know,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: as you guys know, I mean, think about some of
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: the deer that you've shot over the years, specifically mostly
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: on bucks. Right, Sometimes you don't even remember the whole
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: shot process, Like your brain just kind of blanks, you know,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: in the process of drawing and aiming and shooting and everything,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: and you're like, I know I did it, and I
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: know I hit the deer, but what the hell just happened? Right?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: So that's like where that muscle memory. You know, everybody is,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of preach to me, like you just
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: have to shoot a lot, Like your brain needs to
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: know exactly what it's doing. So it's just shooting, you know,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: whether it's every day, every other day, ten fifteen arrows,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I set up a bag target in my basement, uh,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: and I try to shoot a lot, you know, just
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: so that you know, when that high stress situation comes,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: your brain is gonna, I guess, revert back to it's
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, base memory or whatever of what you're doing. Uh.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: And I want that to be a good one and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: not a bad one. So that's probably the biggest thing.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: And then I just think, you know, age, Um, you know,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I guess it's like anything in life. Right, You've got
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: some sports figures, because I always this is the analogy
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: I try to make the people you had some sports
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: figures that are just clutch, right. You know that when
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: it's the bottom of the nine, two outs, winning runs
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: at third base. There's certain guys that aren't phased by
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: that and can just it's like ice in their veins.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: They're just clutch. And then there's some guys that aren't.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not a clutch guy. I've ever been a clutch guy,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: but I'm working really on trying to become more of
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: that person. Um, you know, I know some guys that
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: are just they're just stone cold killers. Man. They just
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: don't get rattled, you know, their heart rate doesn't seem
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: to go up at all. And you know, for me,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I'm totally the opposite. You know, there's times that I've
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: just totally fallen apart and let a shot go and
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell just happened. So that's that's
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: the part for me that that I probably still work
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: gotten the most. Dan, how's your how's your archery practice going.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: We talked like a month or a month and a
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: half ago about some of the things you were doing
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: this year. What's your progress there. Yeah, I made the
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: mistake of trying to teach myself back tension too close
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: to the season, I think. So it was with an
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: actual back tension release like with a hinge or are
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: you just shooting trigger full blown back tension. So I
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: started off and it just it was a shock to
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: my system, and I think that shock was too close
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: to the hunting season. UM and I ended up putting
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: it down and it's something that I'm going to pick
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: back up as soon as the season's over for the
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: next year. I just felt that I needed more time
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: with the schedule that I had, I needed more time
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: to um, you know, to to properly train myself on
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: how to use it and see why did you do
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: at where you having target panic issues that you were
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: trying to you know, it's one of those things just
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: like we all talked about your online you read up
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, I've had problems with you know,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: I got a social media site too, and you know
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: I asked the people that are on there. Uh, you know,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: I've suffered from target panic in the in the past,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: I'm that guy who, depending on the scenario, blacks straight
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: out and it's just like, what just happened, you know
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: what I mean? And I want to prevent that from happening.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: So that's why I decided to go to the back tension.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: It's just that I think it was too close to
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: the season, so I ended up going back to my
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: wrists trigger release. Um, I ended up having to change
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: my sights again, so I basically had to redo my
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: whole set up again, which was you know, that's okay,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: but I think I'm gonna stick with that and just
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know, go with a slap to the face
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: when that when that moment comes. You know, last year,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I I just kind of was like I closed my
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: eyes after I saw the Buck, and I was just like, dude,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: just relax, man, just relax. And yeah, I still got
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: fired up. But you know every time I say this,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: I say this all the time, but you know, when
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: you're around the caliber of Bucks that gets you excited,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: and that doesn't necessarily mean Giant Bucks, right, We're talking
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: about depending on where you're at. If it's the first
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: one twenty, you've ever seen, it's going to be a
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: shock to your system, and and I don't. It's just
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: men's nature nowadays to get fired up on the rack,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: and I had to tell myself that means nothing. The
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: most important thing is to get an accurate shot. And
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: I just try to calm myself down through like like
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: talking to myself. Sure, yeah, I believe me, Dana, I'm
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: with you. Is there any reason you didn't try just
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: a a standard thumb trigger release instead of going going
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: all in on the hinge? Well? Yeah, I think a
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with recommendations from others.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, the people that I've talked to are just like, dude,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: skip the thumb release and go straight to the back
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: tension release. It's gonna it's gonna do do you worlds better,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: you know, as far as accuracy, um and and I
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: bow set up to. I mean, if you change your release,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: you're obviously gonna have to change potentially your draw and
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: I think i'm I might have had to do some
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: of that as well. So I just went back with
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: what I was comfortable with. And then once this season's over,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: then it's just time to start from scratch again. Yeah,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: so I switched to a thumb release, UM, I don't
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: know four years ago or so now, because I was
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: having a lot of target panic issues with my wrist
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: strap and my index finger release, and it's helped significantly.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: UM hasn't eliminated it entirely. It's still rears. It's ugly
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: little head from time to time. So you know, I worked.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: I mentioned I shoot in my basement a lot. I
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: work a lot and kind of just blank bailing, where
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: you close your eyes and shoot into the target and
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: and focus more on you know, your muscles and your
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: release and your and your form and everything than than
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: worrying about where the arrow is hitting, which has helped
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: a lot. And when I do try to there's every
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: once in a while I catch myself kind of trying
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: to punch the trigger, even on the thumb release, but
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to do. Uh So, like I'll
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: get that little jolt almost but the release doesn't go off,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: and then I'm able to kind of set myself and
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: be like, Okay, relax, you know, breathe, pull through the shot,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: and I feel like I've become a better archer. Part
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: of the reason I switched, as well as with us
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: filming all of our hunts, we do a ton of
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: self filming. Uh, and I felt like it was easier
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: for me to have my release already clipped onto the
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: bow because I'm kind of holding my bow in the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: left hand camera on the right hand, you know, and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: when I let go of that camera, all I have
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: to do is grab the release and draw and shoot,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: versus trying to hook up at the moment of truth. Uh.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: You know, and Dan, I know you've filmed before, so
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: I mean adding the the camera into the mix definitely
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: adds like a whole another level of stress, which just
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: compounds that like blackout thing that happens. So so yeah,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: I mean going to a thumb trigger was huge for me,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure I could ever go back, but
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: I gave myself, you know, six months before hunting season.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: I switched in the spring because believe me, dude, I
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: launched a couple of arrows they probably still haven't landed,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: you know, with with that thumb trigger when I first
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: started using it. So it's definitely a big learning curve. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: it's it's interesting. I've done a similar switch and we
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: talked about a few weeks ago too, But I haven't
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: switched to a thumb or or or hinge yet. I'm
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: still using a index finger release, but it's a it's
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: a it's a much better one than I used to use,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: a really hard trigger break. But I'm switching to a
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: back tension type process of shot sequence. So I'm locking
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: that finger on the trigger right when I right when
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: I draw back. So I used to draw back anchor
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: you know, get the pin on him, and then right
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: when I was about to shoot, then I put my
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: finger on the release and and yeah, I had those
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: similar types of punching type things that I didn't. I
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: didn't like. I don't know if it was like admitting
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: it to myself or recognizing that that was like target panic.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: But I've kind of come to terms of that. So
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I switched to this new sequence, and I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: kind of switched to it pretty late, but I'm feeling
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: really good about it so far, and it can it
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: has definitely, like I could tell that it has improved
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: um what I'm doing and like significantly limiting those urges
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: to to punch the trigger in some form or fashion,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: like you said, just never once in a while. Every
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: rare occasion, I'll get that little jolt where like the
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: mind wants to do that, but because I don't pull
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: the trigger with my finger anymore, it doesn't happen. Um.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: So so now I'm locked on there and and I
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: have like a controlled process, and I just have to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: go through step one, step two, and then step three
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: triggers my and my brain to start pulling with my
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: back and and now that happens, and I really am
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: finally achieving a surprise release. And I'm like, oh, so
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: that's what it's supposed to feel like. It really doesn't
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: surprise me, and that's that's cool. Yeah, it works, It
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: actually works, So that's kind of cool. Um. Now I haven't,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: you know, shot at anything in the field yet, so
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: that's going to be the next big test and we'll
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: see how that goes. But cross, I see did I
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: just see that? You did you just shoot a cariboo?
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: That was you went and shot? I did shoot a cariboo? Hunting? Yes?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Was that with a Was that with a gun? That
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: was a gun hunt? Yea? How was it? How was
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: the hunt? The hunt was insane? It was it was
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: really really cool. I'm I'm jealous. Yeah, I'm a little jealous.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Ala Alaska was unreal. How was the meat delicious? Absolutely,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: absolutely delicious. So the two coolest ways of eating cariboos
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: so far. I don't even know if I talked about
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: this on when we did our Caribou podcast Dan, but
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: one way we did it is one of our nights
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: while we were out there, we did an Asian hot pot.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: So we had this big pot of of broth with
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: all these different Asian spices and carrots and onions and
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: says one, peppercorns and stuff in there. So we bring
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: that pot to a boil, and then we sliced up
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: caribou heart and caribou backstrap and really really thin little strips,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: and then with little wooden skewers, we would stick a
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: slice of meat on the end of the wooden stick
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: and we dip it into that boiling pot of broth
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: for just like fifteen twenty seconds, just enough to give
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: it a little steer. And you take that out and
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: dip it in this kind of soy sauce type mixture,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: eat that with your fingers. And that was that was
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: absolutely It sounds like it sounds like, yeah, exactly exactly
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: like meat fun, do you know? Yeah, that was incredible.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: And then another thing we did is Steve cut the
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: eyeballs out of my caribou and then cut the fat,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: the white fatty stuff from the back of the eye
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: ball and made us try eating that. And I wouldn't
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: recommend that. I wouldn't say that was delicious, but he
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: was right. One of those things where it's like, hey,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: let's trick the rookie. It was like, like, hey, the
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: natives used to do this, and it was some special
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: It was that kind of yeah. So we all did
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: it and and it really did taste like he said
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: it what it did. Taste like pizza dough, um, but
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: as a little gross thinking about the fact that I
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: was eating eyeball fat from a caribou that I just shot.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: But it's a story to tell, I guess, right, Yeah,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: no doubt how many people can tell that story? Right,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: is a series of cool stories. And that's about as
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: cool as they get. My new favorite way to uh
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: to cook venison is my suvied cooker, which is the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. If anybody hasn't heard of it, you
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: heard of it or know what it is. I've heard
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: of it, but I've never done it, so Suvied I
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: forget what it stands for. Obviously it's some foreign thing,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: but essentially it's uh, you take your meat. Like for
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: me personally, when I eat venicine, I like to brine
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: it um for at least a few hours, if not overnight.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like it, you know, gets whatever you know
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: quote unquote gamey flavor it may have out of the meat,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: makes it a little bit tender, more tender. So for
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: people that don't eat venicine a lot like it makes it,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe a little more palatable for them. So
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: usually brian it uh. And then you I take like
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: a backstrapper, like let's say I have quarter of a
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: backstrap and vacuum seal it um. You can either put
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: seasonings in the vacuum sealer or marina. It's up to you,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: but I usually vacuum seal it with just some salt
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: and pepper. And the Suvied cooker. Essentially you take a
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: pot of water that's room temperature, you put the cooker
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: in it. You set the temperature on the cooker. So
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: I cook my venic into about a thirty degrees which
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: is about medium rare. Uh. And then you take this
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: meat that's in this vacuum sealed bag and you put
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: it in the water bath essentially, and then the cooker.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: What all it's doing is it's heating the water up
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: and circulating the water. So the heat from the water
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: is actually cooking the meat. Right. And the cool thing
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: about suvite, as you guys know, with cooking medicine, it's
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: really easy to overcook, right, and if you overcook medicine,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: it's it's awful, right, So with the suvite, so typically
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: when you cook mendicine, let's say you're gonna throw a
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: backstrap or a steak on the grill or on the
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: skillet or whatever. You got a five degree grill, you
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: throw it down there like you have to pull it
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: off at the exact time when it hits that temperature
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: that you want in order to get the doneness that
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: you want. We was suvie. Basically, I say I wanted
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: to a thirty degrees, which is medium rare, and I
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: can leave that thing in there for an hour, two hours,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: three hours, four hours, five hours, doesn't really matter how
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: long I leave it in there. You want to leave
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: it in there for days, but I can throw it
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: on there at one in the afternoon, and when I
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: finally get hungry at five thirty or whatever, I could
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: pull that meat out of the water bath. Keep in
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: mind the meats never actually touched the water because it's
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: in a bag and it's perfectly looked all the way
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: through from end to end, so there's no like it's
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: more done on the outside and less done in the middle.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: Like the whole piece of meat is evenly cooked. And
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: then what I do is I pull it out, I
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: season it with maybe some more salt and pepper, some garlic, salt,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: and I either throw it on the grill for about
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: a minute per side, or like in a cast iron
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: skillet just to get that sear on the outside of
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: it that we're all looking for, um. And then and
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: then it's ready to eat, and it is the greatest
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: meat ever. You can do it with steaks, um, you know,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: beef steaks. You could cook chicken, pork, everything, but it's
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: all perfectly done every time. Like you don't need to
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: be a chef to get great food out of this thing.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: And it's super easy clean up because basically I mean
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: your your water bath. Like I bought a plastic tub
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: thing that it goes in like you just dump the
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: water out of that and then throw away the vacuum
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: seal bag and that's it and there's really no clean
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: up to it. And it's super super simple. I'd recommend
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: anybody out there that loves eating vedicine to pick up
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: one of these machines and try it. They're freaking awesome.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: And is it it's spelled s O U S V
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I d E. Is that is that right? Correct? Yeah,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: that's correct. Yeah. I got mine on Amazon. Like everything else,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: I buy the retail Giant. Yeah that sounds pretty cool though. Um, yeah,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: it's great, dude. I've been I've been emptying the freezer
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: out in preparation for the season, so I've been cooking
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: a ton of venison here lately and I've been using
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: that thing for all of it. It worked phenomenal. And
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: uh Todd luckily shot and elk last night, so I
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: was texting him this morning. I'm like, make sure you
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: bring every square inch of meat back here, because I'm
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: stealing a fair amount of it. I do miss my elk.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Havin some elk meat in the freezer. I've got a
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: little bit left from the cow that my buddy shot
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: and we're out there last September. But that's dwindling, dwindling quickly.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's great, man. I can bring that cooker
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: here to the office where we don't really have anything
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: to cook with. We got a little grill, but I can,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: you know, throw it, throw meat in that thing. When
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: I get here in the morning and lunchtime it's ready
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: to eat, throw it on the grill. And let all
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: the guys here at the office. You know, we got
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: eight or ten people here building websites and doing I
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: T work and whatnot. And I can expose all of
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: them because none of them hunt Todd. I really only
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: two hunters here. Um. So they get there, they get
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: their venison fixed, and like a lot of people, they're like, well,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: i've had vedicine before. You know, my my cousin cooked
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: some up one time and it was really pretty shitty
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: and then like it, you know. So then I'm like,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: all right, let me cook it for you the right way.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: And then they all eat it. They're like, this is
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: phenomenally you got any more? So yeah, it's pretty neat.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Venison is one of those ultimate ways to open people's
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: eyes to hunting. I think if they eat a good
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: meal and they understand how it came to be. That
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: is just like the ultimate olive branch to to what
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: we do and why we do it. I think, so
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: cooking it well, it's so important. Yep, Well we are,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: we're running on time here. Um So, I guess I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: want to ask you one more question. I don't know, Dan,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: if you've got anything you want to jump in with here,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: but I'll just I'll ask you the converse of what
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: I throw at you a little bit ago. I asked
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: you what you struggle with the most. Now I want
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: to know what do you think is your best attribute
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: as a hunter? Mmmm. That's a good one. Um, I
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: guess maybe just the flip side of what my worst
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: thing as honor is. You know, I've always, not always,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: but over the last ten years or so, I've I've
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: somehow found a knack for putting myself uh in the
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: situation to get close to a deer in daylight hours
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: and give myself an opportunity to shoot it. Whether that's
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: walking onto a brand new piece of property and scouting
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: and hanging stands for the very first time, or a
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: property that I've hunted for a long time. There aren't
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: many years that I go where I don't have, you know,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: deer within shooting range, good bucks, you know, whether I
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: choose to pass that deer, or I botched the shot
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: or I killed the animal. Like I feel like I'm
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty darn good at that. I don't know if
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: some of it's just luck, but you know, I just
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: something about it. And that's that's the thrill of the
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: chase for me, is is as a bow hunter, being
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: able to get in there and get and get close
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: to them. So yeah, I mean I feel like I'm
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: a pretty good hunter from that regard. I just need
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: to get better at closing the deal when the when
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: the opportunity presents itself. Yeah, I hear you that. That
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: chess match for me to that, that's what I enjoy
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: the most is figuring out those little moves to make,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: when to be in the right place at the right time,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: and how to get all that to come together. There
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: nothing better as far as I'm concerned. You know, a
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: few years back, I mean we're going back almost ten years. No,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, if you know, if you guys remember
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: there was this thing called the Campbell Outdoor Challenge. You
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: guys remember that by any chance. I remember that they
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: had a TV show and essentially it was like a competition, right,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: So we did that two years in a row, and
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: basically it was in southern Illinois. You show up and
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: they would give you a piece of property to hunt.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: This was an outfitter. But then they would give you
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: a map and I mean this was late October and
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: they'd say, here's your here's your piece of property. It's
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: a hundred acres. Go have fun. And you were thrown
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: into a piece of property that you never hunt before,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: you've never stepped foot on. While you've got as a map,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: you gotta go out, scout, hang stands, and you've got
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: you know, four or five days to hunt. And uh,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: you know, we were very very fortunate, um that the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: two years we did it. First year it was me
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: and actually a woman named Christine that used to do
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: some some work with us. Her and I went, um,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: we wanted that year. I shot a good buck um.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: And then the following year we went back kind of
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: a quote unquote to defend our title, so to speak.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: My buddy Mike came with me and we wanted that year.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Mike shot a really nice boot on the first morning
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: uh that year. So I think that was kind of
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: the turning point for me and like my style of
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: hunting with a run and gun scout during the season,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: be able to figure out the sign where the deer at. Like,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. It was a blast. I mean,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: we had it. I Mean there's just something about walking
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: onto a piece of property for the first time and
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. It's intriguing as as as
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: a bow hunter, which is really kind of you know,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: ten years or almost ten years later, now fast forward,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: like my trips to Kansas this fall are all going
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: to be public land. Um. You know. We went in
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: the spring and we scouted a little bit and did
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: some turkey hunting. Um, but we have no idea what
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: we're really walking into. But that's the intrigue, Like, I
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: don't know what deer there, I have no cameras, I
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: have no history, I have nothing walking onto a piece
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: of property October one scouting hanging stands and trying to
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: kill deer. Uh. So I'm really really excited to go
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: down there this year. I feel like that type of
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: situation maybe is a really good uh quote unquote test
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: of your hunting abilities. You know, sometimes we get complacent
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: on some of these properties. We've hunted forever and we
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: know what the deer are gonna do and where they're
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: gonna do it and when they're gonna do it. Um.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, yeah, that's spot over. There's
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: pretty good, I'm gonna go there now and shoot a deer. Um.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Something about this new property hang hunt scout, uh has
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: really got me intrigued for this fall. So I'm hoping
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: to have some success down there. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: right there with you learning those new places. That is
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: uh the ultimate challenge and test I think is a hunter.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: So I keep on trying to put myself in new
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: positions too, because I think not only a test to
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: but you. Whether you succeed or not in filling that tag,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: you you learn stuff that makes you a better hunter
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: no matter what. Um. So, I think there's there really
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: is something to be said about putting yourself in new
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: positions and figuring it out as it go. So absolutely, well, Dan,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: do you have a final thoughts or any final questions
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: for Justin? I think, uh, we need to collaborate on
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: a book Hunting with Kids or something like that. I
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: think that would be because I don't know about you,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: but I get like a lot of questions thrown my
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: way about, hey man, how do you juggle time? How
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: do you balance time? And uh me and you were
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: in the same boat. H yeah, yeah, man, I tell
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: you what I mean. I I try to spend as
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: much time with my kids as I can, you know,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: especially during the off season. I mean, we're constantly doing something,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: whether you know, whether we're going to swimming or going
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: to the park, or we're taking them to the zoo
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Like I really because I know, I mean,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: for for as bad as it sounds, you know, a
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: lot of us, you know, we hunt. We only have
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: so much time to hunt during the fall, and you
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: know we do prioritize that pretty high. So I try to,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: you know, do as much with my kids as I
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: humanly can, um without killing myself, uh since there's so
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: many of them. But but yeah, I mean that's the
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: biggest thing, you know, and you've got to have a
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: life that's going to be at least semi understanding. I
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: know we all like to joke that, you know, they
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: get pissed at us when we're gone hunting and whatever,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: and they do from time to time. So I mean
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: it's it's just smart to to realize that, you know,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: your your marriage, your kids, your family, there there are
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: things that are more important than hunting, as much as
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: we like to joke about about hunting kind of being
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: the most important thing. So it's just realizing, you know,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: where to draw that line, realizing when your wife is
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: like to that breaking point and it's like, you know what,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: I don't really need to hunt tonight, Like I want to,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: like every bone in my body wants to go hunting
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: right now, But the smart thing to do is to
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: just stay home whatever, take the kids trick or treating,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: do whatever you know, and just cool your jets because
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I can go hunt tomorrow. Um. That's probably
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: been the biggest learning curve for me, is just getting
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: adjusted to that I can go do whatever I want
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: whenever I want, because that's not that's not reality anymore. Yeah,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: I I always They'll think of that song, you know,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: old Brad Paisley where he's talking about his his girlfriend
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: or his wife, I can't remember which it was. Was
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: was giving him the ultimatum, said that if he goes
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: bass fishing one more time, you know, she's hitting she's
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  Speaker 1: hitting the road, she's out the door, and that chorus
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  Speaker 1: kicks in. He's just like, well, I'm gonna miss her.
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  Speaker 1: That was before kids. Yeah, those pretty pre kids are
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  Speaker 1: bred child supports way too much money to consider doing that.
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  Speaker 1: It is a financial issue. You're right now, you guys
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  Speaker 1: kids into play too, so I'm sure I'll be guys
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  Speaker 1: my buddy Mike and I decided for some crazy idea,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why we decided to do this, but uh,
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  Speaker 1: everybody shares my same sense of humor, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think we got some fun stuff going on over there.
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  Speaker 1: I really like the I've killed more Deer than c
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  Speaker 1: w D shirt. You know, it's really it's really fitting
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  Speaker 1: for here in Illinois and Wisconsin where we're at. That's
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  Speaker 1: Todd's shooting here early this season, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: he's got going on. I'm gonna have to get him
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  Speaker 1: in the Texas Heart Shot T shirt because he's he
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  Speaker 1: needs a little bit of help when he gets a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of archery coaching. I think when we get back,
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  Speaker 1: he's had a little bit of rough spell with pulling
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  Speaker 1: those shots. Huh yeah, I think it's shooting from the ground, turkeys, antelope,
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  Speaker 1: and now elk. He's made less than desirable shots. You
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  Speaker 1: put him in a tree with a white tel in
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  Speaker 1: front of him. He's money every time, so I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we just need to keep him in a tree
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  Speaker 1: from here on out. That's good to know. Well, we'll
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  Speaker 1: definitely put links to all that stuff in the blog post. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten to kick out of some of your shirts too,
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  Speaker 1: so good stuff I got. I got one headed your
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  Speaker 1: way here shortly awesome. I appreciate. It's that my my
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  Speaker 1: nerdy shirt. It is your well, it's my nerdy shirt,
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  Speaker 1: the October Love Game of Thrones. I needed a Game
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  Speaker 1: of Thrones inspired shirts. That's great alright, justin well, thank
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  Speaker 1: you again so much for joining us. And man, I
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  Speaker 1: hope you shoot that big one here. Good luck. Thanks man.
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  Speaker 1: If I do, I will definitely let you know. And
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  Speaker 1: that's a rap. But before we go, I've got a
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  Speaker 1: quick favor to ask. You know. Usually at this point
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  Speaker 1: I might ask you guys to leave a rating or
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  Speaker 1: all be willing to give an in person review for
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  Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, if you find it valuable, maybe
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  Speaker 1: today or tomorrow or this weekend, maybe you could just
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  Speaker 1: tell one new person about the Weird Hunt podcast. Find
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  Speaker 1: find one of your hunting buddies who doesn't listen yet,
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  Speaker 1: and tell them why you think that maybe they should
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  Speaker 1: and how this podcast might help them. If you do that, man,
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  Speaker 1: I would be forever grateful, So thanks in advance. And
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: speaking of thanks, I want to give a big thank
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  Speaker 1: out there, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt,