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3 - The Rhodes To The Chamber Are Heating Up · Singlets & Suplexes: A Pro Wrestling Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Singlets and Suplexes, a pro wrestling
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  podcast. I am Pete.
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  And I'm Luke. Evening.
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  Hi Luke, are you buzzing to talk some wrestling?
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  I am, it's my birthday. I've had a tasty Domino's, tried
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  all the new dips that they had and I couldn't think of any of
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  that way to spend my birthday night, then chat and wrestling
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  with you. So I'm extra excited because
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  I've got the birthday buzz as well as the wrestling buzz.
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  Birthday fever. Are prepared two birthday facts
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  for you Luke are. These facts about me or just
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  like. Facts about your birthday being
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  today Facts. About my birthday.
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  It's facts about today. Not not your birthday is today,
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  but it's facts about today. So right.
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  OK. It's also football and great
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  Bobby Robson's birthday today if you were still with us.
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  I did know that because that was referenced and the match that
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  I've just watched, Newcastle smashed those Cara bags, so that
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  was good. I did know the Bobby Robson
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  ones. That's a nice one to share.
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  Yeah. What else we got?
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  And then so on this day 32 years ago, right, on this day, 32
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  years ago, how old would you be, Luke?
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  4. So when you were four, So when
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  you were having your 4th birthday 32 years ago, Fred W
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  was arrested. Oh, that is an exciting 1, isn't
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  it? Yeah, so that's it.
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  Wow. Put that in YouTube.
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  Bargain now, use that later. Yeah, well, funnily enough,
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  yeah, live around the corner from me grandparents on me dad's
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  side because me dad's brothers, I think he's like 12 years
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  younger than me dad. So he was like in his teens I
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  think when it happened and him and his mates went Nick the
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  number off the door. So there's a there's no that
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  there's another serial killer fact for you.
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  So the uncle or one of those mates, they've got the number of
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  Cromwell St. There we go, guys.
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  We are not single suplexes. We are serial killers.
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  Or us, yeah. We've turned into a true crime
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  podcast and only episode 3. Yeah.
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  True crime. It's it's where the money is
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  apparently. It is that's you got to chase
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  that dollar. But no, we're not.
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  We are here talking about the past week in wrestling before
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  diving into sports entertainment nostalgia.
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  But we're going to do some housekeeping first, Luke, if
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  that's OK. So we put a poll up on our
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  Episode 2, which was sort of the beginning of the journey to
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  Elimination Chamber 2026. The poll was, are you excited
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  for WWE Elimination Chamber 2026?
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  So we had three options, Hell yes, no, no, no, and giving the
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  bill the chance. So 33% of the vote went to hell
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  yes. Nobody said no.
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  So that's very exciting. Everybody's being positive.
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  And 66% of the vote went to giving the bill the chance.
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  Now, I think last week we spoke about, certainly I expressed
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  saying obviously excited for the chairman about what's actually
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  at stake. And it wasn't maybe quite clear
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  at the beginning. Obviously, it seems like it's a
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  lot more clear now. So I was probably in that camp
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  of giving the chance to build. But do you feel that the poll
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  sort of represents what you've seen and been talking about this
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  week? Again, no, because like maybe
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  he's out just going in the wrong places, but I've seen more
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  negativity towards it because if you believe, you know, certain
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  dirt sheets, the reckon that like they don't have a clue
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  about like what they're doing with it.
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  And you know, according to Daf Melter, like this heat on Triple
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  H backstage because he's just scrapped the whole card.
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  So it seems to be quite negative, as if like people
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  don't really know what they're doing.
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  And I think the ticket pricing has got something to do with
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  that as well because the tickets haven't shifted how they want.
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  So again, it doesn't reflect what I've seen, but I'm glad
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  that the people who listen to this are positive because I'm
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  I'm always the same me. Like, I think you've just got to
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  let it build And like sometimes, like especially on the moment in
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  time match, we're going to look at a day.
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  Sometimes amazing pay reviews come from nowhere.
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  So you can have all the build in the world sometimes and things
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  don't deliver. And then it can also go the
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  opposite way. So I'm kind of quite like that.
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  We don't really know what's happening yet.
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  It could be a bad thing if the scrambling, but I don't know.
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  It's quite good that it's quite unpredictable at the minute.
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  Indeed, like I said, I think after watching this week's
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  television, which we're going to talk about soon in our first
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  segment of a week in review, the builders building, nice, you
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  know, for me anyway, in my opinion.
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  So I'm glad I was in that camp. That makes sense.
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  Obviously we've had some comments in obviously last week
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  we spoke about yourself. Luke was talking about, you
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  know, if there was two world titles in that A2 era would have
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  been like different champions I suppose.
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  There were two common space and that's all Lou said.
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  Two world titles in the attitude year.
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  You see Kane would have would more, as would have Undertaker.
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  Mark Henry maybe would have had one earlier.
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  Maybe the likes of Ken Shamrock and Owen Hart would have won one
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  too. Yeah, I think Owen Hart and Ken
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  Shamrock definitely, because I think Ken Sham, Ken Shamrock was
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  penciled in a few times and it never happened.
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  Was it Shamrock? Brett wanted to drop the title
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  do instead of Sean. Was that?
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  Is that who you want to drop it to in the Montreal screw job?
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  I think was that his pick? Brett will pick drop down
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  anyone, I think he said. And he wants Steve.
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  Yeah, I feel like I'd heard him mention Shamrock, but yeah, so I
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  think Shamrock and One Heart are too fantastic Shout and Kane
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  getting like longer runs in that attitude here as well.
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  So, yeah, excellent. And then we have Wells.
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  Bryson was in touch again. So second week in the row for
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  this gentleman. Thank you for listening.
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  He put to chip in on the two world titles I'd have liked to
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  have seen test and he's putting bracket size likability as a big
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  man already feuding the likes of Triple H, the big boss man.
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  Great character shift from blue cop to all black tactical,
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  decent matches. Undertaker in Austin, maybe even
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  Gangrel. Gimmick was on point at the
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  time. Blade.
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  We should also give Dilo a mention.
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  That's what he says. No, I love the big Boss man
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  show. I think he's someone who's kind
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  of massively underrated. Like you've got to kind of go
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  back through a lot of old tapes and stuff.
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  But like he like him when he's doing stuff as like Big Bubba
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  was absolutely excellent. And like because he was the kind
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  of, you know, the Black Night stick kind of more traditional
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  kind of prison guard in the attitude Era.
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  I think it's easy to forget that like he was facing Hogan and
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  stuff like in the early 90s. Do you know what I mean?
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  Like he had a big program with Hogan kind of in and he dropped
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  downloads of weight and looked absolutely fantastic for that.
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  But there's might be worth a moment of time match, but
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  there's quite a few kind of hidden gem bossman matches.
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  So yeah, I think Bossman is an excellent shout there.
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  He was certainly a very sought after Hasbro action figure and
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  he is now still for those figures looking for the sweet
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  Hasbro's of years past. Yeah, and as well, you know, who
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  can forget his arrived through a big show where he turned about a
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  big show's funeral. Great stuff that's up.
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  There's peak attitude here, 90s where it's like, it was so shit
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  it was good. Like if you look at it now, it's
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  horrendous. But like it just it's a great
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  Summoner of what the attitude here was like that big show
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  versus boss man rivalry. Also doing also essentially big
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  shows dad died in storyline big shows at the funeral, boss man
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  turns up, beats up big shore, he ties a chain to the casket and
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  then drives off of the truck pulling the casket that contains
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  big shows dead dad in it away and big shows running after him
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  screaming and crying. So yes, that you hear our guys.
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  As much as we loved it, it was absolutely wacky at the same
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  time. Now I've had another.
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  Comment It was it was filmed. It was filmed a real summary
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  that because it was Bruce Pritchard that I think produced
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  it and the kind of wait because like loads of real funerals kept
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  happening. So it was like actually it was
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  all done like kind of guerrilla shooting to get it done.
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  And that I kept like stopping and starting while real people
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  were getting we're getting getting buried.
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  And can you remember I did a poem as well.
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  He did a poem to the boss man. No I.
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  Don't remember that. Yeah, he's quite exactly how it
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  went, but it was pretty bad. Here he's read a lovely little
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  poem doing about how his dad would have been ashamed of him,
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  and Boss Man was glad, glad he was dead.
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  But like you said, that's the Attitude Era.
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  I bet there was some money passed between hands from WA
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  executives to the owners of this funeral place to get this.
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  Shot 100%. Backhandas galore.
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  Yeah, because obviously that would be there, but they're just
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  having to kind of work around real hair funerals getting done.
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  Then we had no comment. This was in relation to Ricochet
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  in your thoughts last week, Luke, This is from Michael
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  Crosby. Indeed, he says.
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  Love the content guys. Just to add on, Luke's Ricochet
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  has run. He means that positively.
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  As much as I agree with him never being a main event guy,
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  what he's going on Twitter X is generating clout and it's
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  somewhat working as it's got those marks talking about him,
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  even if it isn't a negative manner.
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  And I suppose it adds the question, Is there such a thing
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  as negative publicity? No, and we we touched on this
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  last week. I mean, there is there is
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  definitely such thing as negative publicity.
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  You get yourself on the Epstein files for that, you know what I
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  mean? But I get what he's saying.
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  And we kind of touched on that last week.
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  Like, look, you know, I went on a rant about it.
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  People are talking about it. So in that case, it is working
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  for what he wants. So now I totally get it.
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  But we can give us a quick moment to do our regular
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  section. Is Ricochet world champion up
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  here? He is not world champion, no
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  right. That's that segment done then,
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  right? We'll see.
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  We'll check in again next week for that one.
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  But no, it is, I think he is right.
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  It is just definitely generated by a publicity, but I think it's
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  got a shelf life. Yeah, and I think the publicity
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  probably generates him at the level he's at, right.
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  So I think it keeps him in our minds, keeps him in the
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  wrestling world's minds, you know, should he be released?
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  He certainly got loads of work on the Indies where he's never
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  going to starve. Do you know what I mean?
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  He's a he's a good talent in that respect where he's
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  bookable. But yes, that over excellent of
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  talent, you know, I'd see an age or he's fallen behind the ranks
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  of Fletcher. You know, he's fallen behind the
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  ranks of, you know, those guys who are in that faction in like,
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  yeah, he needs to get caught up on.
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  Him on housekeeping, actually. Obviously last week's Cursed by
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  the Wrestling Gods. Ken Anderson.
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  Do you see what he's done this week?
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  No. What's he done?
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  He's the new Juggalo world champion and I think he's got a
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  kind of mini feud with Vince Russo going.
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  So if there we go that that's what happens.
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  We talk about you will win a world championship.
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  So big names mentioned this week.
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  See what happens. Well, yes, indeed, indeed.
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  So that's the comments that came in.
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  SAS obviously Shiran Sutton. Who else comes to mind for you
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  bud? Or?
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  SAS. Yeah, that's what Ross.
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  It's, yeah, that's what Ross Kemp was in, wasn't it?
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  And I think SES for the military stands for Super Army Soldiers.
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  That's what comes to mind for me.
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  Awesome act. You can also say Shola and
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  Shira, would you say? Yeah, definitely that.
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  That's definitely the second striking fighter show that comes
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  to mind. Indeed.
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  OK, we're going to take it into the week in review.
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  Luke, have you got your 3 positives of the last week in
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  wrestling? Yeah, so my first positive, it's
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  kind of wrestling related, but I thought it was good one it kind
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  of shoehorn in there. I went and saw Fuzzy on Sunday
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  night at the Boiler Shop in Newcastle.
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  Chris Jerrick was banned. For those who might not realize,
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  that is the way I can be a wrestling thing.
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  But yeah, I went and saw that show.
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  Was it good? It was fantastic.
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  I mean me and you have been before and when I say fantastic,
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  some people be like, well no it wasn't, they were fucking shit.
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  But I think like it's exactly what you want it to be.
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  Like. He doesn't need to be doing it.
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  He clearly enjoys it. It's over the top, it's silly.
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  They've been doing it for 25 years now that band, because
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  obviously that was kind of, this is their 25 year tour.
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  So they have got songs Judas, everyone fucking sings along do
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  they've got other ones as well. And then he finished on a cover
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  of Ozzy Osbourne Crazy Train and it was just fucking brilliant.
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  And like because he's been off telly for a while now and he's
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  rumored to be going back WA. Is he, you know, is he the man
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  in the box? the IT was great to see him.
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  He looks, he looks in great shape and he's just a brilliant
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  front man. And I think if you like rock
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  music and you're a wrestling fan, if you go along to that,
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  you can't not enjoy it. Like it's absolutely fantastic.
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  Like just a lot of fun. I mean, you've seen them before
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  as well with me. Like.
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  What are your thoughts on seeing Fuzzy live?
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  Yeah, I think I've seen them about four Times Now.
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  I really didn't go this time because I was just trying to
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  save some money. Like I said, I have seen them
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  four times and I did see them before the AW pay-per-view at
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  Wembley Stadium last time they were there where he did.
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  He did a gig there in London the night before the pay-per-view,
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  which was fantastic. So I had seen them recently,
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  like, you know, in the last couple of years.
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  That's the reason I didn't go. But yeah, great energy.
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  Everybody's there for one reason.
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  Everyone's loving it. And yeah, if you like rock
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  music, it's a great sing along. You know, they're pretty tight
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  band. They're being home for 25 years
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  now and yeah, absolutely love it.
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  Speaking of Christian Gore, the news is, well, I'll say news.
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  It's been reported that apparently while he's been off
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  television, AW froze his contract, so he's not actually a
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  free agent. Yeah.
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  But I'm thinking it's Meltzer that said it.
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  And I've kind of what I've realized with Dave Meltzer is
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  that he just does a lot of stories that are speculation
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  disguised as actual reporting. So we'll see.
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  We'll see. We will indeed see.
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  That was what one of the good things are fuzzy as well
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  actually, is that like again about, you know, if you have
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  think about going to the show itself?
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  I mean, I mean, this won't be the case for everyone, but this
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  is what I quite like about the wrestlers.
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  I went with our friend Aerosmith, but I bumped into
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  about six or seven different people like that, I know, and
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  that was like kind of from going to different wrestling events
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  and things like that. So I think that's one of the
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  kind of good things about wrestling shows, whether it's a
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  WE kind of pay-per-view, how show W show Fuzzy, a local
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  wrestling show, there is a bit of a community, then you kind of
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  bump into the same faces. So it's cool for that.
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  And I did, I did meet one guy who was in the smoking area with
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  and he was having quite a detailed conversation with his
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  friend about his favorite leaked diva sex tapes.
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  So I've asked him to come on the podcast next week because his
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  list seemed quite detailed to be fair.
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  So look out for that. I mean, who needs Google when it
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  just TuneIn and listen to him tell you where to watch it,
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  Yeah. It was very detailed, very
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  detailed. Reminds me of the story of Not
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  super bad. Which movie is it?
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  Knocked up where? Like the compile on that website
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  that I'll tell you like what minute to go do in the movies to
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  watch like the naughty scenes. I think he could do that, Yeah.
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  Like I say, it was very dear. And obviously now obviously you
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  just put on Google, you don't need like that sites not needed
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  anymore. But yes, reminded me of that
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  storyline in that movie. Yeah.
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  So he was an interesting guy, Yeah.
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  What's Next up for you? So the triple threat that ended
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  raw. So Gunther, Javon Evans, Don
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  Mysterio. I thought it was really good
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  because I think straight away the three of them are quite
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  different kind of stylistically. So I thought that was quite fun.
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  You know it kind I thought the match flowed really well.
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  That flip jump Javon Evans does over the turn, but we'll get to
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  every time and Montez Ford does a good one as well.
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  But I was just look at that and just think fucking hell.
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  And then I thought the finish was really good because
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  obviously Gunther kind of got distracted so he didn't get
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  pinned, but also didn't qualify. And I think Javon Evans is the
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  right kind of shout for that because like, you just know
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  you're going to get at least one or two kind of viral moments, I
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  suppose, for kind of what you want in the chamber.
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  I think definitely some exciting possibilities with kind of him
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  and his abilities in there. Yeah, that's what I loved about.
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  I thought John Evans, get him in there because yeah, there's
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  going to be some absolute like breath.
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  It's almost like Kofi in the Rumble used to be like we're
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  going to see some some awesome stuff in there with him, which
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  is going to be absolutely great. And your third positive of the
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  week? Yeah, so it's kind of it's a bit
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  of a long winded one, but the kind of TNT title picture, Kyle
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  Fletcher in general in AW there. So kind of going off because you
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  had Dynamite this week obviously as ever, but you had Grand Slam
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  in Australia. So kind of on Dynamite, Fletcher
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  beat Tomaso Chamber for the TNT Title for absolutely fantastic
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  match, like really hard hitting. Champa looks back to kind of his
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  best when he was in kind of NXT when he had his run as the NXT
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  World Champion and Goldie and he looks really refocused and that
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  kind of forgot how good he was as a single act because of how
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  much he's been tagging and DIY and WE so it was good to see
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  that Fletcher wins that Briscoe comes out, sets up the match for
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  Grand Slam. They then have a ladder match
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  and the ladder match were absolutely brilliant.
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  Just again, kind of really hard hitting in some kind of really
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  nasty looking spots. Was kind of a pile driver on the
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  ladder, brain Buster from the top of the ladder.
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  And it just seems like that title at the minute.
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  They kind of pass it around a bit and I don't mind that every
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  now and again for a mid card title where if you tune in, you
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  kind of know that there's a good chance that the kind of title
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  could change hand because I mean, Champ had only had it a
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  week I think. So that kind of whole TNT Title
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  World picture this week in particular was I thought was a
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  highlight. What's your thoughts on
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  obviously that that is exciting. You know, the fact that will it
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  change hands whether or not you know, you don't know.
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  It's exciting when you have Champ who's now just having his
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  like second match with the company.
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  Now he loses the title. Do you take away the buzz that
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  you've given by giving them a title on his first win, on his
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  first match? That makes sense.
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  Potentially it's all about how you follow it up, isn't it?
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  And I think without going overly critical, I think AW sometimes
• 17:23
  do fumble that where they'll bring somebody in, then they
• 17:26
  kind of disappear a bit. And then that's kind of I don't
• 17:28
  get why you brought them in, but we'll have to see because I
• 17:32
  think it's it's all circumstantial on the
• 17:34
  individual. But in in we don't know because
• 17:36
  obviously there hasn't been in the Dynamite since.
• 17:38
  But yeah, there can be negatives to it 100%.
• 17:41
  And it'll be interesting to see where Mark Briscoe goes after
• 17:44
  this because he's had like a push.
• 17:45
  And I just think he's someone who's really different.
• 17:48
  Like the promo, he come out and cut that set up the ladder
• 17:51
  match. Like he just looks dangerous and
• 17:54
  sounds dangerous. And I don't think there's anyone
• 17:57
  else like him in any other wrestling company at the moment.
• 18:00
  So it'll be interesting to see that.
• 18:01
  Hopefully they can maybe move him on because I've like, I
• 18:05
  think if you did it long term, you could do a really good
• 18:07
  storyline with Mark Brisk or winning the world title.
• 18:12
  Yeah, I think so. When you look at like, you know,
• 18:14
  the real Cuban side of it, you know, obviously losing his
• 18:16
  brother and things like that, you can all tie that in into the
• 18:19
  heartstrings and into the emotion.
• 18:20
  You know, that's what person is. It's emotion.
• 18:23
  It could, it could work really well.
• 18:25
  Absolutely. And.
• 18:27
  Then that was obviously my 3 positives and then one other
• 18:29
  that nearly made the list is I just I quite enjoy what they're
• 18:32
  doing with Andrade at the minute and AW where they think the kind
• 18:36
  of like sideline to as much as the mate might be a bit of a
• 18:38
  shagger where they've been hiring only fangirls so he can
• 18:42
  take photos and give his number out in the ring.
• 18:43
  Don't know why that's going to go, but I just think it's quite
• 18:46
  funny that his new gimmick seems to be that he's a shagger.
• 18:48
  Shagger. Maybe he just needs Nick Pope
• 18:51
  between them and then we'll get him signed for the tune.
• 18:53
  Something like that. My positives for this week was
• 19:00
  the one was like the CM Punk promo and the interaction
• 19:03
  between him and Bala on the judgement day and then like
• 19:06
  Bala's reaction. So I thought Punk caught a great
• 19:09
  promo, put an emphasis on Bala on how good he was.
• 19:13
  Also discrediting the judgement day type of thing which I think
• 19:16
  is going to help build a lot. Like will Bala leave the
• 19:20
  judgement day? Really not.
• 19:21
  And I think obviously Punk was Gordon them into attack and Bala
• 19:24
  held both JD McDonough and Don back.
• 19:30
  And I think it's teasing. Like it's teasing the the actual
• 19:34
  physicality we're going to see at the chamber, not necessarily
• 19:36
  beforehand, which is good. It's also teasing.
• 19:40
  Like I said, I feel like there's more play than just the world
• 19:44
  title match. And it's like, obviously, will
• 19:46
  Bala leave the Judgment day? Will they turn on him?
• 19:49
  I don't know what your thoughts were on that.
• 19:50
  And if you could see that sort of in the background simmering?
• 19:53
  Yeah, I think, I think the bill's been brilliant.
• 19:56
  Like for the the Bala Punk match, I just think.
• 20:00
  He's, I just think he's never, there's two outcomes, isn't
• 20:02
  there? So I don't think he's ever
• 20:04
  winning that match. And I feel like a lot of people
• 20:06
  feel that way because you've already got Punk Roman.
• 20:08
  So it's kind of like the build can be the best build you've
• 20:11
  ever seen. But a lot of people are going to
• 20:13
  go into that and it's not and there's only going to be 1
• 20:16
  outcome. But then the other side of the
• 20:18
  coin is, especially at the minute, if things are up in the
• 20:20
  air, are they then going to have them drop the title for the sake
• 20:24
  of a shock? Which if they're just doing it a
• 20:26
  kind of swerve people, it's kind of a negative as well.
• 20:30
  So I think in a way they've kind of booked themselves into a
• 20:33
  corner with this where it's it's only going to be one of those
• 20:37
  two things that I've said really.
• 20:39
  So it's a bit of a shame because like if this had to be in a mid
• 20:41
  year feud, I think it could have got in with more jeopardy and
• 20:45
  people not really known. But I just think because of the
• 20:46
  time of year, unless they are really panicked and they want
• 20:49
  that shock pop, it's it's it's going to be Punk that walks out
• 20:53
  the bell. And yeah, you can still get a
• 20:54
  great match out of it. But I don't know, I just think
• 20:57
  as far as outcome goes, it's kind of done.
• 21:00
  I think yes and then no. It's like outcome Punk is still
• 21:04
  the champion after elimination chamber.
• 21:07
  I think they could have like judgment day screwballer so Punk
• 21:11
  doesn't win clean like the judgment day screwballer not
• 21:14
  sets up him versus Dom that mania.
• 21:16
  Maybe that's the. Shot.
• 21:18
  No, I think that is where they're going.
• 21:20
  Yeah, 100%. But yeah, I just think it's
• 21:23
  maybe it's a bit just too pimped by numbers where I think that is
• 21:25
  what it's going to be for me. But it is still good.
• 21:27
  And like I say, like the build ups being really, really good
• 21:30
  and it's good to see JD McDonagh back as well.
• 21:32
  But yeah, we'll see. Because like I say, I could, I
• 21:35
  could be completely wrong, but it just seems a bit too
• 21:37
  predictable, kind of the final outcome of it.
• 21:41
  My next thing keeping things Judgment Day related was the
• 21:44
  step for Cola and Liv Morgan interview.
• 21:46
  So it was Liv Morgan's interview with Michael Cole and sort of
• 21:49
  Steph for Cola comes and interrupts and is just talking
• 21:52
  in a different language. Obviously Dom's sort of
• 21:56
  translating, but like, and even though we can't understand what
• 22:01
  she's saying, like just look in her face and the way it's just
• 22:03
  delivering the words, there'll be a Dom sort of whispering her
• 22:06
  back in the reaction of live. You could feel the tension and
• 22:09
  feel the emotion in there, like the negativity.
• 22:11
  It was really couldn't, even though you couldn't see what was
• 22:13
  going on, like you couldn't understand word for where it's
• 22:15
  being said, but you could understand that like she's
• 22:18
  really digging in here and being like, for lack of a better term,
• 22:23
  real. Like as real as you can be.
• 22:24
  You know what I mean? And like lives really soundness
• 22:26
  as being like it's cutting through to our core here I
• 22:29
  thought was just really well done.
• 22:30
  Like like less is more. Like we don't need to tell you
• 22:32
  what you're saying. Like, you're going to understand
• 22:34
  by how people are reacting and, you know, like the tone of
• 22:38
  voice. Yeah, I think less is more is
• 22:41
  right because WWE put a translation up online.
• 22:44
  Have you seen it? I haven't seen it but I've heard
• 22:46
  that the cars have to apologize because she met there's no pro
• 22:49
  wrestling in her country but there is now but Little Mix up
• 22:52
  but other than. That yeah, but but the the the
• 22:55
  long short of it was just essentially, she said she's at a
• 22:58
  fight for everything. She's come from nothing.
• 22:59
  And Liv Morgan's had everything given to her, which when that's
• 23:02
  been translated is that I don't think it quite works because,
• 23:06
  like, I don't feel that is the case with Liv Morgan.
• 23:08
  I know she's they can, you know, the heal the bad guy and all of
• 23:10
  this. But like, Liv Morgan was never
• 23:12
  someone who was nailed on as the next World champion.
• 23:14
  I don't think she's had everything handed, do I?
• 23:16
  Do you? In terms of world titles, like
• 23:18
  no, but in terms of like the WWE life, I mean, no, because no one
• 23:22
  gets 100. You've got to work hard.
• 23:24
  But I think in story, in story and you could see got 100, the
• 23:26
  NXT contract, learned how to wrestle an NXT and then, you
• 23:30
  know, come up with WWE. You know, you look a million
• 23:32
  books. You know, you're very attractive
• 23:33
  woman. So yeah, like you've got a job
• 23:35
  for life as long as you don't do anything naughty.
• 23:38
  Yeah. But yeah, so I'm interested to
• 23:40
  see where they go with that one because like, it's almost like
• 23:43
  the way live Morgan reacts, it's like, are you going to get a
• 23:45
  double turn there? Like, how's that one going?
• 23:47
  So yeah, so which again, intrigue.
• 23:50
  Or is it because they just don't really know what they're doing
• 23:51
  with it yet. But yeah, we'll see how it pans
• 23:53
  out because I enjoyed it more last week their stuff than I did
• 23:56
  this week. I liked it not more this week,
• 23:59
  but I thought it was a it was a nice bill and it took me a
• 24:02
  different direction like nothing get physical.
• 24:04
  It was just like words and almost that involved because he
• 24:07
  was having to do the translate. And so again, it's teasing like
• 24:10
  these things that are happening like Dom's there and a part of
• 24:12
  and the negative things that are happening in the live right.
• 24:15
  So, but I also think no, Liv hasn't chose who was just
• 24:18
  fighting yet. It's like the shortest Alex
• 24:20
  Neil. I'm not.
• 24:20
  It's going to be these two at mania.
• 24:24
  Yeah, no, definitely. And my last one was the opposite
• 24:28
  qualifier match to yours. So the Smackdown qualifier match
• 24:31
  was Cory Rhodes, Sami Zain and Jacob, but was a fantastic
• 24:34
  match. I loved it.
• 24:36
  I loved the storytelling and I loved how like Drew come out and
• 24:39
  he's trying to cost both Jacob and Cody the match because he
• 24:44
  hates them. But also after his performance
• 24:48
  at Royal Rumble, obviously, I think Drew honestly feels that
• 24:52
  he can beat Sami Zayn any day of the week.
• 24:53
  So that's how he wants to fight Elimination Chamber.
• 24:56
  So that's how he wants to fight a Mania and that suits.
• 25:00
  So that's why he wants Sami Zayn in that chamber much and not
• 25:02
  those two. So that was a great match.
• 25:04
  Then when Drew comes out and tries to cause all the chaos, I
• 25:06
  thought was done really well. I thought your thoughts were on
• 25:10
  that, on natural threat. No was getting a lot of fun and
• 25:14
  the like the set up the set up before as well where Drew kind
• 25:17
  of pulled Sammy to one side and try to get into his head there
• 25:20
  about how like Cody's not really a friend.
• 25:22
  You helped him at WrestleMania, but he wouldn't help you type of
• 25:25
  thing. So I think the definitely kind
• 25:26
  of maybe he's planting seeds for maybe the Sammy's intern or
• 25:30
  again, maybe some kind of bumps along the road where maybe he's
• 25:32
  Sammy gets in the chamber somehow will cost somebody in
• 25:35
  the chamber. Because you could even because
• 25:38
  things seem to be up in the air, you could even Cody might not
• 25:41
  even end up facing anyone for the title.
• 25:44
  So who knows, you might get a Cody's Army Sammy's in match at
• 25:46
  WrestleMania. You just don't know at this
• 25:47
  point. So yeah, it could because it's
• 25:49
  exciting, because I think it opens up a couple of options
• 25:52
  potentially. It does indeed.
• 25:54
  I feel like the way it went down, I feel like next week,
• 25:58
  like Jacob and somebody could both have reasons to sort of go
• 26:01
  to the general manager and be like, we need a second chance to
• 26:04
  get in the chair by much. Because you've let Drew come
• 26:07
  down, no security came to help. Like you let them just come in
• 26:10
  like ruin the match and ruin our chances because Jacob had the
• 26:12
  match. One, there's what the sort of
• 26:14
  insinuated. In the normally that they have
• 26:17
  in the past don't like a last chance qualifier match with
• 26:20
  people who've already lost kind of put in there.
• 26:22
  So it's definitely something that could be done again, 100%.
• 26:26
  And if they don't get put in, then do we have another match on
• 26:29
  that card? It's just like Jacob versus
• 26:31
  Sammy, maybe. I don't know.
• 26:33
  Yeah, but. Jacob's angry art drew, so that
• 26:37
  wouldn't really make sense, I suppose.
• 26:42
  But yeah, like I say, it's more intrigue, and people will say
• 26:44
  the intrigue comes from the fact that they don't know what
• 26:46
  they're doing. But yeah, maybe we'll see.
• 26:48
  You've got to get to a finish point.
• 26:49
  So we'll see what that finish point is before I make like a
• 26:52
  full positive or negative decision on that.
• 26:54
  Indeed. Have you got three things that
• 26:57
  you sort of dislike? I didn't really get this week.
• 27:00
  Yeah, so one's kind of the other side of the coin to the TNT
• 27:03
  title, kind of Kyle Fletcher stuff.
• 27:05
  So in that match against Briscoe, the ladder match at
• 27:10
  Grand Slam, he, Kyle Fletcher hits a massive brain Buster off
• 27:14
  like the kind of top of the ladder looks naughty as fuck.
• 27:17
  Like a lot of people will argue that's why they don't watch AW
• 27:19
  was too dangerous. Whatever.
• 27:21
  That's not what I'm saying. That brain Buster looked fucking
• 27:23
  dangerous. Brilliant, right?
• 27:24
  He hits that, but that wasn't the finish to the match, but
• 27:28
  then going. So yeah, it was a ladder match.
• 27:31
  So Briscoe gets back up quite quickly and then they do a
• 27:34
  lesser ladder spot that then leads to kind of their Fletcher.
• 27:39
  When in that match, I just thought that like it was too
• 27:41
  much like if you're going to do a huge and it was a massive
• 27:44
  ladder as well as one of the big ones, it was a fucking nasty
• 27:46
  drop. Like that's the end of the
• 27:48
  match. Yeah, like it because like,
• 27:51
  yeah, it's it's dangerous to do and also it's like you've you've
• 27:55
  undercut a dangerous move, so why then do another spot?
• 27:58
  So that was kind of I thought a negative way.
• 28:00
  I think AW can tend to do that quite a bit where you know, the
• 28:04
  no self things and things on the finish when they should be.
• 28:07
  So yeah, it was just a shame because I think if I had it
• 28:08
  ended at that brain Buster, it would have been more or less a
• 28:12
  perfect match. But then you just got like
• 28:13
  another 5 minutes that just completely wasn't needed.
• 28:16
  Yeah, like the built it up. They pulled that awesome spot
• 28:18
  off. Just take it home and like let
• 28:21
  the guys and let everyone enjoy it rather than all that's go
• 28:24
  again for our 5 minutes. And actually potentially by
• 28:27
  trying to do more, you're sort of diminishing what you've done
• 28:30
  before, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:32
  Because there's no one would have been watching that after
• 28:34
  that brain Buster thinking I think he could have got it after
• 28:36
  that. Like it was fucking like, if you
• 28:37
  haven't seen it, like watch it to get what I'm saying.
• 28:39
  But like, yeah, it was fucking done.
• 28:40
  Climb the ladder. You've won the match.
• 28:44
  Next up. Yeah, so the vision, the vision
• 28:48
  is dead for me on Raw. Obviously it the be unlucky
• 28:51
  because you know, Rollins got injured, then that'll pull it
• 28:53
  and then then prom Breakers got injured.
• 28:55
  But like, yeah, the vision kind of setup of Logan Paul, Bronson,
• 29:00
  Reed, Austin theory, it just isn't working.
• 29:03
  And I think all three of them are quite like on their own.
• 29:06
  But I just think at the minute the roll over Raw and it's just
• 29:10
  I don't get what you do with it now with the injuries that it's
• 29:12
  got. I feel like it needs to kind of
• 29:14
  be put to bed. Well, I mean, what are your
• 29:16
  thoughts on the vision? Yeah, like, I feel that they've
• 29:18
  teased this idea that Haman's ringing somebody who's going to
• 29:22
  come and get out Adam Pierce. But then it's sort of in the
• 29:26
  background now, Like who is he actually ringing?
• 29:28
  If it's not The Rock or like Triple H or someone on the
• 29:31
  board, then like who is he? Who?
• 29:32
  Who else could it be? I don't know.
• 29:34
  And we've got this masked man who's running Rampage, you know,
• 29:38
  doing Seth Warren's moon sets, like move sets or like, who was
• 29:40
  that? I think they probably need to
• 29:42
  get to who that is and then wrap this up.
• 29:45
  I suppose it is a shame because I feel that like somebody who
• 29:49
  has done well in recent weeks off the back of this is theory,
• 29:52
  I think he's looking shredded. He's looking mean.
• 29:54
  He's a mean machine. He's looking good, He's got the
• 29:56
  mic, He's looking mean in the ring.
• 29:58
  But now it's starting to hurt him a bit.
• 30:00
  But I think him going in there initially was a good thing for
• 30:03
  him. But I mean, if anyone can sort
• 30:06
  it out, hopefully Haven can use his creative sort of awareness
• 30:10
  to maybe pull it back around. But yeah, like how do you feel
• 30:14
  about this thing where they the ringing different higher ups to
• 30:16
  try and get MPs in trouble? It seems a bit like tit for tat
• 30:19
  and again, like the only people who are above them would be
• 30:22
  Triple H Other rock maybe? I think it's Brock Lesnar.
• 30:27
  I think that's who he's calling. I know he's not on the board,
• 30:30
  but I think because I've seen things this week where I think
• 30:33
  this potential idea of Elliot Knight versus Brock Lesnar at
• 30:36
  Mania. And that makes sense to how you
• 30:38
  get there because Ellie Knights already feud and with the Vision
• 30:41
  and then you bring up brought, there's no way he's not a higher
• 30:43
  up, but he's going to come and dismantle your show and just
• 30:45
  cause like, you know, an agent of chaos as opposed to somebody
• 30:48
  on the board. So I think it's Lesnar he's
• 30:50
  talking to. And has he been advertised for
• 30:52
  RAW Colonel? I think he hasn't.
• 30:53
  Need less now. I'm not sure.
• 30:55
  I'm not sure. I might have misread that.
• 30:57
  I'm sure I've seen it in there. I mean, could not be true if
• 31:00
  it's on your net, but he's due for like a future role before
• 31:05
  before me and you know, I think so.
• 31:07
  But yeah, I just think it's one of those ones where it had
• 31:09
  potential and I liked it at the very start, like the night after
• 31:12
  Mania last year, where it was kind of like a throwback to
• 31:15
  Paulie's dangerous alliance. But I just think they've been
• 31:18
  massively unlucky. The wrestling gods weren't
• 31:20
  looking down on them with. I was like the injuries to
• 31:23
  essentially the two best members of the group in Rollins and
• 31:26
  Brown Breaker. So I think it's just kind of
• 31:29
  sometimes when you get some of that, you maybe just got to
• 31:31
  throw your hands up and say, yeah, it's kind of done for now.
• 31:33
  It didn't work because of XY and Z.
• 31:35
  Yeah, have you got a third thing?
• 31:38
  I have and any I would, I would make a kind of very careful how
• 31:42
  I talk about this because it's quite serious and I'd love other
• 31:46
  people's opinions on it. But have you seen the stuff that
• 31:50
  came about you in the MGF Brody King match with the with the
• 31:53
  crowd chant and fuck ice? Yeah.
• 31:57
  Right, OK, yeah, so obviously ICE are fucking abhorrent and
• 32:01
  it's fucking horrendous what's going on in America, but I just
• 32:05
  think it kind of took on a life of its own.
• 32:08
  That's then got a bit kind of has it got a place in wrestling.
• 32:13
  So obviously the fuck ICE chance happened, right?
• 32:15
  Yeah. And then the follow up to that
• 32:17
  is that the next episode of Dynamite on Warner Brody King
• 32:22
  wasn't on. And then again, going off melts
• 32:25
  as speculation disguised as fucking reporting us because
• 32:28
  apparently Warner Brothers said they didn't want them on because
• 32:30
  of fuck ice. Because obviously Warner
• 32:32
  Brothers trying to negotiate a big deal at the moment.
• 32:34
  They want to be on the side the government.
• 32:36
  They don't think it's a good luck.
• 32:39
  Brody King then obviously is on Grand Slam and then he loses and
• 32:45
  then there's fuck ice chance again.
• 32:46
  And I just think if you're going to have those chants, Tony Khan
• 32:52
  has to come out and kind of say, yeah, we as a company kind of
• 32:56
  agree with that, but he's never going to do it.
• 33:00
  So then it just becomes a bit like, because the Australian
• 33:02
  crowd were chanting fuck ice, where it's almost like what
• 33:05
  we're doing like is, is the negative from it.
• 33:09
  And that's why I want to try and say I say is that is the space
• 33:12
  within the wrestling any any company to have that political
• 33:16
  statement because I don't think there is.
• 33:19
  And it's that's and that's what is me dislike of the week
• 33:21
  because that's fucking shit. Because like, like I say,
• 33:25
  everyone in that company should be able to come out and say,
• 33:27
  yeah, fucking like we love this chance I saw fucking abhorrent.
• 33:31
  But they're not going to because like everyone's in bed with
• 33:34
  everyone, whether it be network deals, fucking Tony Khan's dad
• 33:38
  used to donate to fucking Trump's administration.
• 33:40
  I know WWE are massively embedded with Trump as well.
• 33:43
  So this is me whole thing. I think like with stuff like
• 33:45
  that, it shines a bit of an ugly light on things.
• 33:48
  And you've got a kind of to watch it and enjoy stuff still
• 33:51
  kind of separate the kind of the art from the artist.
• 33:54
  And I just think it's a shame and a kind of reflection on the
• 33:56
  world that we're living and it's being kind of dragged into
• 33:59
  something that I enjoy watching. Yeah, and I suppose for me it's
• 34:03
  a bit like they're chanting fuck ice.
• 34:04
  Is it a chant as in fuck ice on the chanting?
• 34:07
  Fuck ice as a Brody King chant? Well, it it stemmed from the
• 34:12
  fact that he wore AT shirt seeing it when when they were in
• 34:15
  Mexico, when the kind of all that kind of stuff started
• 34:18
  kicking off over there. And again, the message is
• 34:20
  absolutely right, but it's like, it almost feels like the second
• 34:24
  it got a bit of wind. It has been censored whether you
• 34:27
  believe that or not. And yeah, then it does it does
• 34:30
  it just like, yeah, like, like, like the Australian crowd chant
• 34:34
  in it. It's like, it almost makes a
• 34:36
  mockery of it really, where you're making it into a fucking
• 34:39
  watch chant. And I know that probably isn't
• 34:41
  the intention, but I think it gets to a point where it does
• 34:45
  more bad than good and you've got people trying to fuck ice
• 34:47
  with no idea kind of of the full context of it or what it even
• 34:51
  means. So then it kind of devalues the
• 34:53
  statement. And I just think, yeah, it's a
• 34:55
  heavy subject that kind of nobody comes out of looking
• 34:58
  great. And and it's one of the ones I'd
• 35:00
  love people to get in touch on. Like, should wrestling be able
• 35:04
  to have kind of its own voice? Because I think it should.
• 35:07
  But I think if you look at the world in general, it's just not
• 35:10
  possible, which is why I was playing negative of the week
• 35:13
  saying that's fucking shit. Like you'll be class if like
• 35:16
  Brody King could get fucking fuck ice chance going and it
• 35:18
  makes a difference. But I just maybe I'm fucking
• 35:21
  just skeptical. I just don't think it'll make
• 35:23
  any difference in the world. And then you've just got like
• 35:25
  idiots who don't really know what they're doing.
• 35:27
  Just go and fuck ice as if it's a fucking watch and.
• 35:30
  And I suppose it damages Brody King because he's missed it up
• 35:32
  sort of television now and then. Like can Tony Con.
• 35:35
  And you don't know why. Like it's no, no one's actually
• 35:37
  come out and said that's why. So, you know, it might have just
• 35:40
  been that he was never planned for TV that week, but yeah.
• 35:43
  Yeah, interesting. Mine are so I dislikes my one is
• 35:48
  the big box that got dropped off on on raw.
• 35:53
  Was it raw? Yes, Raw and then it he then
• 35:58
  told the guy delivered to Smackdown.
• 36:00
  It's a giant box mate. Like what's in that box?
• 36:02
  Who knows? I'll just as soon as I've seen
• 36:04
  the box I've got gobbledygooka vibes.
• 36:07
  Oh, massive gobbledygooka vibes. I think it'll be something to do
• 36:10
  with two K 26. That's what I think it'll be,
• 36:14
  but who knows? So I hope it's not the
• 36:17
  gobbledygooka. I hope it's not any person
• 36:21
  because like it's it just doesn't work, does it?
• 36:24
  It's a person like being a create for three weeks or
• 36:26
  whatever. Exactly.
• 36:27
  Yeah, because PS sent it to Smackdown for all this to deal
• 36:30
  with, didn't he? That was the joke.
• 36:31
  And it says do not open door chamber as well so.
• 36:34
  Aye. So yeah, I hope it's not a debut
• 36:36
  in character, but yeah, I think it might have something to do a
• 36:38
  2K26 movies. Hopefully, hopefully.
• 36:42
  It's definitely not a character. Fingers crossed.
• 36:45
  The second thing was, and it was the same thing last week, but
• 36:50
  again, sort of the Becky versus AJ build.
• 36:52
  And like this week, I thought most of their promo was like
• 36:56
  good back and forth, but like, but then Becky just goes to like
• 37:01
  too skitzy, almost like she's a crack addict.
• 37:03
  The way she's going on, the way she like her mannerisms and when
• 37:05
  she starts getting bothered. And I just think like you're
• 37:08
  meant to be like a champion wrestler.
• 37:10
  Like I kept being angry or like being like scared.
• 37:12
  But you, you're acting like, like I said, a skitsy crack
• 37:16
  addict in my opinion, and like that's, that's not your
• 37:19
  character, right? Because you're not.
• 37:22
  Yeah, I think it's sometimes like that, isn't it?
• 37:24
  Where I think the the original incarnation of what Becky's
• 37:28
  doing now, I think sometimes people get away a bit from the
• 37:31
  carrot and it goes a bit overboard and a bit more 2
• 37:33
  dimensional. I think that's where we're kind
• 37:35
  of at with it at the minute. And I think we just need to get
• 37:37
  to the point of the match. And my fear with that is that I
• 37:40
  don't think we're going to get a proper match at Chamber because
• 37:43
  I think the proper match is going to be WrestleMania.
• 37:45
  So yeah, I think we might have a little bit more to go of this
• 37:49
  and I don't think there's much left in it.
• 37:52
  Yeah, and I get what they're trying to say like Betty doesn't
• 37:54
  know sort of how to react because ages he hadn't got the
• 37:57
  fans behind and a blast from the past.
• 37:59
  But there's a way to do that. Love going this too crazy, if
• 38:02
  you know what I mean. You could do it like dial the
• 38:04
  crazy back. A bitch has almost gone too far
• 38:06
  if you know what I mean. But can you elaborate on your
• 38:11
  thoughts on we maybe don't get a result up chamber and this goes
• 38:14
  to mania? Yeah, so like the match never
• 38:18
  starts, someone gets taken out beforehand because I'm just I'm
• 38:22
  quite. I know you can have this like,
• 38:23
  you know, them face each other at Chamber and Mania and have
• 38:26
  like legitimate matches. Like you can have AJ win the
• 38:28
  belt, then bet you wins a bag of Mania and stuff.
• 38:31
  But I don't know, I just don't think that's what's going to be
• 38:33
  the case because I think the will deliver a good match, but I
• 38:36
  think they'll be holding that back to the WrestleMania.
• 38:38
  So. Well, yeah, that's just that
• 38:40
  just that's it. I think that it'll be some kind
• 38:42
  of like the wacky, wacky hijinks at the Chamber to then keep
• 38:47
  building up to a proper match at Mania where they'll maybe put it
• 38:49
  in a cage or some kind of stipulation.
• 38:51
  So because it's like the bet, you can't get out of it.
• 38:55
  Indeed. I just want to say me brain's
• 38:59
  been whirling, which is probably dangerous thing since you're
• 39:01
  talking about sort of the ice and the politics and the
• 39:04
  messaging in wrestling. I think the only time it's
• 39:06
  worked before in wrestling is when like it was like pro USA
• 39:09
  against it's against Iran, like Corgan versus the Sheik of
• 39:14
  things like that, if that makes sense.
• 39:17
  Where it's a bit manufactured, but also like it's very much
• 39:20
  back in America against whatever America's facing where the ICE
• 39:23
  chants are sort of anti American in a way because the ICE people
• 39:27
  are the American government. So yeah, see what you mean where
• 39:30
  it's messy and it's like, can they actually have a place?
• 39:32
  They will know because the sponsors can't get behind it.
• 39:35
  The network's probably can't get behind it either.
• 39:37
  So yeah, it's yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously
• 39:41
  the whole gonna run stuff when you look back on it now, that's
• 39:43
  terrible. Like, do you know what I mean?
• 39:45
  Like wrestling and politics very, very, very, very rarely if
• 39:49
  it all goes well. So it's kind of is a bit like
• 39:52
  like, yeah, just it doesn't need to be there, which I say is a
• 39:55
  shame, but it's like it's it's not.
• 39:57
  I just don't think it works. And then it becomes saturated in
• 40:00
  a bit like a bit dodgy. So yeah, only other two dislikes
• 40:05
  this week. I did have one extra like it was
• 40:07
  like a A minor likes. I'm going to add it in.
• 40:09
  What was the the 10 man tag match on Smackdown?
• 40:15
  I thought it was exciting. It was a bit chaotic at times.
• 40:19
  Everyone from a ten man. I thought it'd give all those
• 40:21
  people in the match sort of a bit of screen time, a bit
• 40:24
  wrestling time, which was cool. I don't know what your thoughts
• 40:26
  were on that. The 10 man match.
• 40:27
  That was sort of the use. Was it the shows, not the users?
• 40:30
  Sorry, it was. Paulo Cruz I mean, would I mean
• 40:34
  my question to you, first of all, would it have been a slight
• 40:36
  like if one of the 10 men hadn't have been my card owner?
• 40:40
  Maybe. Because you know that I feel
• 40:43
  that's going to always put it in a negative in a positive for
• 40:45
  you. But yeah, I know what you mean.
• 40:47
  It did it mean it was it felt like how sure much it was fun.
• 40:49
  Do you? I mean, it was fine.
• 40:51
  It was, I think if I think it feels for F kind of falls firmly
• 40:54
  in the middle for me of like, yeah, it was fine.
• 40:56
  Ten man match gets a lot of people on TV, but yeah, it's
• 40:58
  kind of had a bit of a house. You'll feel especially because
• 41:01
  like Apollo Cruz has been injured for so long and then
• 41:03
  he's just back with no kind of bills.
• 41:05
  I don't think that boards that well for him.
• 41:06
  But yeah, it was all right. I'm glad he's getting a chance.
• 41:09
  So I I'm interesting to see because he looks good and I
• 41:12
  think, you know, with this some protect there was potentially in
• 41:14
  the past. So is the potential there now
• 41:16
  And I'm not seeing like a world champion, but like, you know, he
• 41:19
  can certainly come out and like in work and give us a good time.
• 41:21
  I think. So let's let's see how that
• 41:23
  goes. No, definitely.
• 41:25
  And yeah. And I I quite like solo in the
• 41:28
  MFTS. Like I think it's been quite
• 41:30
  stop start with them, but I definitely think solo has
• 41:34
  another kind of solo, no pun intended, running them.
• 41:38
  And I think it's just maybe he's kind of horn in that character a
• 41:40
  bit more because he seems quite funny as well.
• 41:42
  So I think there's like unexplored depths to what solo,
• 41:45
  solo, solo I can bring to it. Like.
• 41:48
  Yeah, and again, my mint, it was that I thought everybody in the
• 41:50
  match looked good and got good bits in.
• 41:52
  So nobody was left like looking bad and everyone got some good
• 41:54
  bits in. Now at the end we sort of teased
• 41:56
  the the return of the wide 6 to sort of come back and fight the
• 42:00
  MFTS, which keeps that storyline going.
• 42:03
  So overall, it's like tick, tick, tick, job done on
• 42:05
  everything it was trying to do. Oh, definitely.
• 42:08
  That is a week in review complete.
• 42:10
  We're now going to go into a moment in time, which is either
• 42:12
  a wrestling match or more in an event that you know is great and
• 42:15
  we love. It's really interesting.
• 42:17
  It's worth talking about with, but it's not one like the big
• 42:20
  ones as we see. You know, everybody remembers
• 42:23
  Rockin Hogan from WrestleMania 18.
• 42:25
  Everybody remembers Brett versus Austin, You know, everybody
• 42:28
  remember as Brett versus Michaels.
• 42:30
  But these are the matches that maybe you don't think about
• 42:32
  every day. And you have picked this week's
• 42:34
  moment in time, Luke. I have indeed.
• 42:37
  So I'll I'll set the scene as I like to do so.
• 42:39
  This is from Survivor Series 2002, so this would have been in
• 42:43
  November of that year over here in the UK, because I enjoyed
• 42:46
  doing this last week in the charts.
• 42:48
  Number one, that week you had DJ Sammy Heaven.
• 42:51
  Can you remember DJ Sammy's Heaven?
• 42:53
  A beautiful track. Yeah, Westlife got a number one
• 42:56
  with them, Breakable. And then Christina Aguilera
• 42:58
  Dirty, who are there after. That's a big month isn't it for
• 43:01
  UK #1? I think you've got the wrong
• 43:03
  Christina W. Not Christina, it was ex Tina
• 43:05
  when she was dirty. Was it just called?
• 43:08
  You called XT now link That was the proper.
• 43:10
  Dirty that if you have a place to see with the next yeah she
• 43:13
  wasn't messing about and again talking about a wrestling Liv
• 43:15
  Morgan did wear an outfit inspired from that music video
• 43:18
  so it it fits we're fitting this in highest shot in films last
• 43:21
  year massive Lord of the rings 2 towers Harry Potter Chamber of
• 43:25
  secrets the first Sam Raimi spider man and then I've gone
• 43:28
  the fourth highest for you Star Wars Attack of the clones
• 43:31
  they're a big hit as that isn't it or.
• 43:33
  Indeed, very big hit. That's a massive year for film.
• 43:35
  As well as that, Michael Jackson hung his baby off the balcony,
• 43:38
  Osbourne's debuted on telly and the iPod was released.
• 43:41
  That had a bigger memory. It had a huge 20 GB of data on
• 43:46
  it. Wow, Massive.
• 43:48
  And there's, well, just a little beside.
• 43:50
  No, I don't know why I see in this, but this particular
• 43:52
  pay-per-view, MGF's actually come out and said this was the
• 43:56
  event that inspired him to want to be a world champion and a
• 43:58
  wrestler. Wow, that's pretty awesome.
• 44:01
  Yeah, so I mean, because again, this is what I was saying where
• 44:03
  it's one of those random ones where like we've picked the
• 44:06
  opening match, which is Jeff Hardy, Spike and Bob Dudley
• 44:09
  versus 3 minute 1 and Rego, but the whole card was fucking
• 44:12
  stacked. So it was at Madison Square
• 44:13
  Garden as well, The old one, which always looks fucking
• 44:16
  class. I think from a for people who've
• 44:18
  been watching wrestling for a long year, like a long, long
• 44:20
  time, that old MSG setups Iconic.
• 44:23
  So kind of other matches on that card.
• 44:25
  You had Billy Kidman beat Jamie Noble for the cruiserweight
• 44:28
  championship, you had Victoria Beatrice Stratish in a fantastic
• 44:31
  hardcore match for the Women's championship.
• 44:33
  Big Show Brief brought Lesnar after him and turned on him for
• 44:36
  the WE Championship, Los Guerreros be Eddie and Ray and
• 44:40
  Curtin Benoit for the tag team titles, and then Shawn Michaels
• 44:43
  in his first official match back because the one with Triple H
• 44:46
  Summer Slam was on. Shanks Unsanctioned won the
• 44:49
  world title, so it was also a pay-per-view where every title
• 44:52
  on the line changed hands. What a fantastic event and I
• 44:58
  believe obviously we're in the world two Elimination Chamber
• 45:01
  and this was the first ever Chamber, wasn't it in this, on
• 45:03
  this PureView? It was, yeah, that was totally
• 45:06
  by chance. And you see, and that's the
• 45:07
  first time I've thought about that.
• 45:08
  But yeah, it's, again, it's all fitting in, isn't it?
• 45:10
  This was the first ever from the mind of Eric Bischoff.
• 45:13
  If you believe the promo build up from the deranged mind of
• 45:15
  Eric Bischoff, he brought you the Elimination Chamber.
• 45:18
  He did indeed. He did indeed.
• 45:20
  In Saliva did the music as well. I used to like them very kind of
• 45:24
  earlies. New metal grunge weren't there,
• 45:27
  which like any one who isn't into that will listen to and
• 45:29
  think it's fucking horrendous and it's probably right, but
• 45:32
  I've got a lot of good memories to that song.
• 45:33
  It's good. Great song.
• 45:34
  That package. Because again, I think the WWE
• 45:38
  production teams always being fucking shit hot and that promo
• 45:40
  build up for the chamber match with the six man and Bischoff
• 45:43
  setting it up and the Saliva music is fucking brilliant.
• 45:46
  I recommend anyone go and give that little promo watch as well.
• 45:49
  Slive are in there with the real didn't they do, but he starts
• 45:52
  music on. The singer sang on Yes.
• 45:54
  Yeah, they're definitely a Batista.
• 45:56
  I think they did a version of Rays and I think they might have
• 45:58
  done a version. They definitely did a version of
• 46:00
  Jericho was because the play this, this, this sets the scene.
• 46:03
  So Jericho gets his saliva version of Wall.
• 46:07
  Walls of Jericho played live as he walks to the ring.
• 46:10
  But saliva aren't live in the arena.
• 46:13
  They're live at WWF New York, the history restaurant in Times
• 46:17
  Square. That's awesome and I actually
• 46:19
  noticed this this pic of you where WE New York or do we have
• 46:23
  New York has been renamed the world I noticed before right
• 46:27
  must be getting close to shut shut down still it's just going
• 46:29
  to. Say yeah, if if we branded it,
• 46:31
  you fool. Yeah, they've rebranded it and
• 46:33
  then it's about to get shut down for everything soon, but.
• 46:36
  Yeah, yeah. So I've got quite like the how
• 46:38
  they were live but not live in the arena, live from the the
• 46:41
  world. Did you say the world?
• 46:43
  On this pic of you, yeah, it's the called the world.
• 46:46
  So I've actually be at New York and I was like, Oh no, it's
• 46:48
  called the world, but it's it's the same place, just that
• 46:51
  renamed it. Yeah.
• 46:54
  So, yeah, so like I say, it's it's, I'd recommend anyone go
• 46:56
  out and watch the full pay-per-view, but we've kind of
• 46:58
  specifically picked for the purpose of our kind of needs the
• 47:02
  six man table match that opened it.
• 47:04
  So what were your kind of thoughts on it first of all?
• 47:07
  My first thoughts about. Obviously this highlights maybe
• 47:11
  some of the limitations, but the WWF or WE draft and brand split
• 47:16
  has, especially when you split certain teams.
• 47:19
  So obviously we've got sort of like the Dudleys and the Hardys
• 47:22
  coming together because the other half of them are not
• 47:25
  there, which obviously comes about later on.
• 47:28
  But you know, the fact that they split the Dudley's up on two
• 47:31
  different shows, Jeff's on his own, we've had to put them
• 47:34
  together and it works in this match, but it also like past
• 47:38
  this match doesn't have much legs, like probably not.
• 47:40
  So I think it does show the limitations of what trying to do
• 47:44
  a bronze split and what the draft can do negatively for you
• 47:47
  sometimes I think. Yeah, it made me go back and
• 47:51
  look into kind of where we're at as far as Jeff Hardy's career is
• 47:54
  as well. Because like I've, I've been
• 47:56
  thinking about this. I think like Jeff Hardy, like is
• 47:58
  probably one of my all time favourites and that when he won,
• 48:02
  when he finally wins a WE title years later, like I think if you
• 48:05
  go back and watch that, it's easy to forget like how fucking
• 48:07
  over he was and like how much like people would ready for him
• 48:11
  to be kind of world champion. But like in the lead up this
• 48:14
  match this year. So it's it's a mad one really.
• 48:17
  So this is the year where he has that ladder match with Taker for
• 48:20
  the WE Championship, which again is a great match to seek out.
• 48:23
  So obviously how's that ladder match with Taker?
• 48:25
  Earns take as respect, kind of goes out on his own, wins the
• 48:28
  European title off Regal, loses it RVD in a unification match
• 48:32
  for the IC title, then drops down to the hardcore title.
• 48:35
  Then we're kind of into this match here.
• 48:37
  And then by April of next year, 2003, it's when he gets released
• 48:41
  for kind of refusing to go to rehab, failed drug tests, no
• 48:44
  showing. So we're kind of at like the
• 48:46
  back end of Jeff Hardy's first ever WWE run where kind of he's
• 48:51
  not in a great place. I I enjoyed his look though
• 48:56
  here. Obviously he's still Jeff Hardy,
• 48:59
  but it's different from that traditional Hardy Boys look, if
• 49:01
  that makes sense. Yeah, you can tell it's kind of
• 49:04
  try and stuff, isn't it? Like this is, this is Baker's
• 49:06
  first year. I think going off what I've kind
• 49:08
  of read back on where he's being on his own properly.
• 49:10
  So yeah, I think it's clearly kind of trying to break away
• 49:13
  from like the the full Hardy Boys look, but still keep it
• 49:15
  himself. But yeah, so I think you can, I
• 49:18
  think you can kind of tell as well that you're at the back end
• 49:20
  here where they've tried a few different things.
• 49:22
  It's not quite working yet for him.
• 49:25
  And then I think obviously we see Rosie and Jamal, who of
• 49:28
  course 3 in the morning. They are of course Simone's.
• 49:30
  It's funny how the presentation of Simone's has changed so much
• 49:33
  since then. Obviously here we see Rosie and
• 49:36
  Jamal. They're very much sort of in
• 49:39
  street clothes, you know, very sort of trying to be what do
• 49:43
  they be? Hip, I suppose, to the time
• 49:44
  where. Urban, as Kevin Nash said this
• 49:46
  week, and the less said about that, the better.
• 49:48
  But yeah, I think the word you're looking for is urban.
• 49:50
  OK, I'm going to stick with hip, hip and St.
• 49:52
  Obviously now there's someone's are presented more in their
• 49:54
  traditional manner and like as like athletes who are going to
• 49:58
  get you where here they were presented as you know, more like
• 50:01
  I said, more more street, I would say, but could still go as
• 50:05
  we see. And then also was with sarks.
• 50:08
  Obviously Rosie and Jamal are both pass away from there.
• 50:10
  Is that right? Yeah, yeah, 100% yeah.
• 50:13
  And obviously Rosie as well as obviously Roman Reigns's
• 50:15
  brother, he would eventually form A tag team with Hurricane
• 50:18
  and obviously Jamal is Umaga. So it's kind of two guys as well
• 50:22
  that you will see again later down the road, down the road
• 50:25
  obviously in different, different gimmicks.
• 50:28
  And I thought I don't know the story between why they teamed
• 50:30
  where we go on up, but I mean seem to work in this match.
• 50:35
  Yeah, it did, did 100%. And like, obviously we'll go
• 50:37
  into it as we're going to the match.
• 50:38
  But like, I think both of them, like we're fucking brilliant in
• 50:41
  this match. Like the clay for big guys, as
• 50:44
  is often the case with a lot of Simone guys, obviously we talked
• 50:46
  about rikishi last week. Like they can both fucking go
• 50:49
  and the fast and the quick and they can do so if you wouldn't
• 50:51
  expect bigger guys to do. Yeah, fast and powerful.
• 50:54
  It's just like awesome genetics, isn't it?
• 50:57
  Yeah, so, yeah, so obviously this match itself, it's kind of
• 51:01
  a play, kind of quick run through of it.
• 51:03
  Like it's obviously tables match, single elimination.
• 51:06
  So obviously everyone has to get eliminated for the be a winner
• 51:09
  massive brawl to start. Classic Spike Dudley spot.
• 51:13
  Bubba picks them up, uses them as a missile, which, you know,
• 51:15
  throws back The CW days. But it's a great spot, isn't it,
• 51:18
  seeing a little guy get thrown about like that.
• 51:19
  It is indeed. Yeah, we've got a lot of poetry
• 51:22
  emotions, Jeff, going off Bubba's back one.
• 51:25
  Then right at the start, like as far as an image goes, as far
• 51:27
  like this match, Spike Dudley goes into the corner on, I'm
• 51:31
  going to call him Umaga on Umaga.
• 51:34
  And like, because of the size difference, he's actually able
• 51:37
  to stand on his chest to then hit it in like, insecurity.
• 51:41
  Like, it's a brilliant visual of like, just how like, bigger he
• 51:44
  is than him. No, definitely.
• 51:46
  And so all that awesome visual way, I think Spike moves out the
• 51:49
  way in like Jamal goes straight through the table and it looks
• 51:52
  like looks hard hitting like. Oh yeah, massively.
• 51:56
  And I kind of like this match because like Jeff and Bubba are
• 51:59
  kind of playing the hits where like I say, you get a poetry
• 52:02
  emotion of Bubba's back, you get a double what's up where Spike
• 52:05
  drops it, then Jeff drops it. So you're kind of getting a
• 52:08
  little homage from both them of the two teams that were in
• 52:10
  previously. Yeah, agreed.
• 52:15
  The then obviously the first elimination of the match was
• 52:17
  like spiked oddly getting through the table.
• 52:19
  Do you want to talk us through that?
• 52:20
  Because that was that was brutal that.
• 52:21
  My notes I was like Spike ugly bump to be eliminated and like,
• 52:26
  yeah, it just looked like, you know, people say all wrestling
• 52:30
  is fake. It's like we're like, obviously
• 52:32
  it's all the work, but like there's no way that like that
• 52:35
  didn't hurt. Do you know what I mean?
• 52:38
  Oh, because it was it was a set up as well because you went into
• 52:40
  the Dudley dog, which is the slice of bread #2 which I think
• 52:42
  is one of my all time favorite finishers.
• 52:44
  But before you can hit it like both a 3 minute warning, just
• 52:47
  reversal and fucking pancake them through the table.
• 52:49
  Just absolutely like splash, like I forgot how good Spike
• 52:53
  Dudley was has taken those kinds of bumps of essentially just
• 52:55
  being a human stunt stuntman for bigger guys.
• 52:58
  And like he did that really fucking well.
• 53:00
  Kind of it's a it's it's a shame you don't get to talk to get
• 53:03
  talk box like Dudley enough really.
• 53:05
  So I remember he did, he did good work when Austin first
• 53:08
  turned heel as well, where Austin just fucking beat the
• 53:10
  shit out of him and he and he was kind of the perfect person
• 53:13
  to do that for. Before this one as well, there's
• 53:16
  a rules he does a big back body drop on Jeff from in the rink to
• 53:19
  the outside and again Jeff sells that like he's been hit by like
• 53:22
  a ton of bricks and these simones are just like bulldoze
• 53:26
  and people around manhandling people in a fast manner.
• 53:29
  Yeah, and there was a bit again, like how like agile and fast
• 53:33
  there were where Rosie was going to do a moonsault.
• 53:35
  I think Jeff managed to hit the rope.
• 53:37
  So he drops down but still hits the moonsault as a fail.
• 53:40
  And it's like he must easily be 400 lbs like he's massive and
• 53:43
  like he's been it like it looks smooth as fuck as well.
• 53:46
  So now is like that like that's what I kind of come away from
• 53:48
  this match. We watching it thing and that
• 53:49
  like it's mad they didn't they never won the tag titles them to
• 53:54
  and that the worm position higher up the card because they
• 53:56
  they could really they could really go.
• 53:58
  So it's a shame. Big shame.
• 54:01
  Yeah, so obviously that's how Spike got eliminated first
• 54:04
  elimination for a 3 minute warning is a classic Jeff Hardy
• 54:08
  Madison Square Garden dive, doesn't he?
• 54:09
  So sets up, I think it's Umaga, Jamal on the table, climbs up
• 54:16
  through the crowd. Swanton bomb off the top,
• 54:18
  eliminated. What do you make of the Swanton
• 54:20
  so? I've got Jeff Swanton, Shades of
• 54:22
  the past, awesome and brutal. I thought it mirrors the one he
• 54:25
  does against the Delis. The Wire.
• 54:27
  Rumble, 2000. MSG Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 54:30
  I put again a little bit of a homage, wasn't it?
• 54:31
  Wasn't the fact that Bob, I was like, telling him to do it
• 54:33
  because he's there, like, pointing, I thought was like,
• 54:36
  very good storytelling. But yeah, but it just looks
• 54:38
  brutal. The way he delivers it.
• 54:39
  It's like, you know, it's awesome and brutal.
• 54:42
  It's authentic, you know, definitely connects.
• 54:44
  There's no like, what did he really hit him?
• 54:46
  Is there a map there? Like no, it's like it's brutal
• 54:48
  and it's, it's right in front of you.
• 54:50
  It's real. It's a car crash.
• 54:52
  Yeah. So then again, you get more kind
• 54:54
  of like, you know, hard hitting, big flips, things like that.
• 54:57
  Jeff then gets eliminated by getting set up on a table
• 55:00
  outside the ring, where again, Umaga's just impressive
• 55:03
  visibility where he just kind of squashes them from the top rope,
• 55:07
  doesn't it? Almost like a tsunami where he
• 55:09
  jumps from the Turnbull to the outside to put Jeff to the
• 55:12
  table. It was quite tsunami like,
• 55:13
  wasn't it? That day it was.
• 55:14
  Indeed. So that gets that eliminated.
• 55:18
  You then have obviously down to Bubba on his own.
• 55:22
  He manages to do a Bubba bomb at one point on Rosie and that was
• 55:25
  quite impressive purely because of the size manages to get Rose
• 55:31
  managed to get him eliminated and the final finish is and this
• 55:34
  is the big pop who comes out to save Bubba.
• 55:36
  Devon get the table. Devon.
• 55:39
  So yeah, so Devon comes out, helps Bubba goes through the
• 55:42
  table, the team of Spike Dudley, Bubba and Jeff win.
• 55:46
  But yeah, I just thought this was a great match.
• 55:48
  That kind of sums up that period of time where, like I say, we've
• 55:51
  talked about the card. The card's absolutely stacked,
• 55:53
  but this was like a kind of almost thrown together 6 man
• 55:57
  really like with putting Jeff and Bubba.
• 55:59
  And then you get just loads of cool moments and it was so fast
• 56:01
  and so quick and so many kind of high spots that I just don't
• 56:04
  think you can watch it, not enjoy it.
• 56:08
  And I think it's really interesting because of the
• 56:09
  little side stories of kind of what three minute 1 and going to
• 56:11
  do where Jeff Hardy's at his career and obviously Devon
• 56:15
  coming back and teaming up with Bubba because obviously they got
• 56:18
  split in the draft and what Devon been doing on Smackdown.
• 56:22
  Can you remember? Since he been the Reverend
• 56:24
  Devon, is that right? He was the Reverend Devon, Yeah,
• 56:26
  when I had a little bit on that, I can't remember.
• 56:28
  But what apparently brought in is that is Mr. McMahon's
• 56:31
  spiritual advisor, Reverend Yvon.
• 56:33
  Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.
• 56:35
  Yeah, and then obviously he had Batista with him is Deacon
• 56:37
  Batista. And the only other thing I know
• 56:39
  is that he apparently beat Triple H because Jericho got
• 56:42
  involved in the match. So apparently during that
• 56:43
  Reverend Yvonne run, he did have a win over Triple H, but and
• 56:46
  then I think it just fizzled. And then it was like, right.
• 56:49
  Let's that it was like creative. Get the Dudleys back together
• 56:52
  now. Yeah, because one thing I
• 56:54
  noticed is that the end of this match, obviously Divon comes in
• 56:59
  huge pop, saves the day, gets the table 3D to recall through
• 57:04
  the table the win. And then it's like them two are
• 57:06
  in the ring celebrating as if they've won the match.
• 57:08
  And you actually see Jeff Hardy in the background getting helped
• 57:10
  into the back. So he's not even part of the
• 57:12
  celebrations. So yeah, this is very much about
• 57:15
  the reunion of the Dudley's. Divon's in full Dudley get up,
• 57:18
  which is fantastic. One thing that they want to say
• 57:20
  is there's a bit where Jeff's running along the wall.
• 57:22
  It used to do and he sort of all slips and then he sort of Jamal
• 57:25
  like I think it's Jamal like has the table held up and just sort
• 57:31
  of goes into it by quite ugly looking the game like.
• 57:34
  Yeah, I think he slips and then he kind of throws the table at
• 57:37
  him to try and save it, doesn't it?
• 57:38
  So it kind of, I think they kind of pulled that back because it
• 57:41
  was obviously a bit of a bit of a fuck up, but because he
• 57:44
  managed to throw the table at him, it kind of like, Oh well,
• 57:46
  he's he's tried that and it's not work.
• 57:47
  So it's kind of advantage advantage him all.
• 57:50
  But yeah, he definitely fucks that off.
• 57:52
  And the only thing I like is that like, well, I don't like,
• 57:54
  it's more like, like these things kind of happen and he
• 57:56
  slips and hits it and it looks more brutal.
• 57:59
  So I think it just adds to the realism, if that makes sense.
• 58:03
  Yeah, definitely not say this that whole match.
• 58:05
  I think one of the things that we big take away from it and why
• 58:07
  I enjoyed it so much was that it was it was really hard hitting.
• 58:09
  And like I say, I would recommend anyone seek it out
• 58:12
  because I say it's the first match on the card as well.
• 58:14
  So like really good to get a, you know, quite a hard,
• 58:17
  infamously hard crowd. Isn't it the MSG crowd on board
• 58:19
  and they lapped it up? And I think again, to please the
• 58:22
  MSJ coward, you've got like this starts the pay-per-view, which
• 58:25
  is absolutely wild and, you know, brutal and fast-paced.
• 58:29
  And then obviously the chamber ends it.
• 58:31
  So like they're getting an absolutely fantastic end and
• 58:34
  beginning to the pay-per-view. And I think it kind of sums up
• 58:38
  what we're doing with this section as well of like, like
• 58:41
  you said, everyone knows The Rock versus Hogan, you know,
• 58:43
  Triple H versus Cactus Jack at Royal Rumble where it's matches
• 58:46
  like this where like they're just quite random, but there's
• 58:48
  lots of like little narratives going on in it and loads of
• 58:50
  awesome moments in the match. So kind of hopefully we keep
• 58:53
  digging up stuff like this. Yep, and I hope we probably
• 58:55
  didn't mention as much as he does, but like Spike and Rico
• 58:57
  are like big parts as much and do important things as well.
• 58:59
  Like everybody was involved, if that makes sense.
• 59:03
  Yeah, because like in my mind, Rico was purely just a manager.
• 59:06
  Like I know he wasn't, but like, yeah, but then you get a same in
• 59:09
  this match with this was probably, I mean, I could be
• 59:11
  completely wrong, but this was probably like one of his best
• 59:14
  matches in WBA. I'd argue.
• 59:16
  Like I can't tell you any of that much as he had, but I bet
• 59:18
  this is up there of like as his body of work goes, this is
• 59:21
  probably his best match in WWE potentially.
• 59:24
  I agree with that. Definitely moving on from a
• 59:28
  moment in time we have, did they really say that?
• 59:30
  So this is where we'll probably look back at A at a quote
• 59:33
  either, you know, from actual television approval.
• 59:36
  It could be from an interview with a dirt cheat.
• 59:39
  It could be from an interview, an official interview could be
• 59:41
  said anywhere really. And today it is from The Rock
• 59:47
  and it is when he was feuding with Kane.
• 59:49
  We cut a promo on Kane and what he said was it was when Kane was
• 59:53
  beginning to learn to talk on WWE television to remember and
• 59:56
  he put the big red retard could finally speak was what he said
• 59:59
  in the promo. Now I was thinking when we go
• 1:00:01
  back to 9899. I think the word retard was used
• 1:00:05
  a lot in when people were sort of dissing Kane.
• 1:00:09
  And if you go back and watch all the roles now and this was like
• 1:00:13
  in retrospect, like it's obviously quite distasteful and
• 1:00:17
  I think it's obviously signing the times.
• 1:00:19
  I think that word was used a lot here in WD Ref WE.
• 1:00:23
  It was also used in South Park and things like that, you know,
• 1:00:26
  to get a laugh, you know, maybe not be too serious, but actually
• 1:00:30
  like it is pretty distasteful. Anything about in the mundane.
• 1:00:33
  Like I don't think I hear it on normal television, not to
• 1:00:36
  mention wrestling television anymore.
• 1:00:39
  I've got the type of funny play for laughs.
• 1:00:41
  And I guarantee that like, you know, a 10 year old me was
• 1:00:44
  probably laughing my head off when Rock said it.
• 1:00:46
  But like looking back, I'm a bit like, should should that have
• 1:00:49
  really been used as like a as a term to sort of poke for an
• 1:00:53
  arcane? Don't know what your thoughts
• 1:00:55
  are on that. Yeah, I mean, it's very, it's
• 1:00:58
  like, you know, I say it's of the time.
• 1:01:00
  So like I'm not a fan of kind of going back and pulling people
• 1:01:02
  with stuff like that that they've said in the past.
• 1:01:04
  But yeah, I think it was more American as well, wasn't it
• 1:01:08
  really Like, I don't feel that's something we would say.
• 1:01:10
  I mean, I can think of the other word we would say over here, but
• 1:01:12
  I'm not saying now. But yeah, I think it was just
• 1:01:15
  kind of, it was, it was offensive.
• 1:01:16
  I mean, why was he a retard really?
• 1:01:18
  Because he couldn't speak. So just, I mean, the mean, the
• 1:01:20
  meaning, the reason for giving him, it's pretty weak.
• 1:01:23
  But it's interesting that you said, like, you know, they used
• 1:01:26
  on South Park a lot because when you watch a lot of like,
• 1:01:29
  Attitude Era documentaries, people talk about the Attitude
• 1:01:31
  Era, particularly people behind the scenes like your Bruce
• 1:01:34
  Pritchard, your Michael Hayes. They'll always kind of use South
• 1:01:36
  Park as a point of reference. Like, well, yeah, that's what
• 1:01:38
  we're doing. It was South Park as in like any
• 1:01:41
  they haven't got any guilt because South Park did it first.
• 1:01:44
  So we would just do myself part was doing the youth S part as a
• 1:01:46
  point of reference. Quite a lot of try and like kind
• 1:01:48
  of describe and justify the attitude era.
• 1:01:51
  So I think it is. I think it's just it's an ugly
• 1:01:53
  part of that time. But yeah, I mean, he definitely
• 1:01:58
  wouldn't say it now and I bet the rock would go on a 5 minute
• 1:02:02
  speech about how he's a changed person.
• 1:02:04
  He knows that words wrong now. But yeah, you definitely,
• 1:02:06
  definitely wouldn't get that now.
• 1:02:08
  So it's a quote that doesn't hold up because again, if
• 1:02:11
  someone come out on any show now and call someone a retard, that
• 1:02:14
  to be cancelled like, you know, I mean, there'd be absolute
• 1:02:16
  opera online. So it's definitely a relic of a
• 1:02:19
  quote. No, definitely.
• 1:02:21
  I just thought like a type of player is like fully he's like
• 1:02:26
  but that obviously it's it's not.
• 1:02:28
  And I think, you know, as a child you find like things
• 1:02:33
  hilarious that like aren't I suppose.
• 1:02:35
  But yeah, just use a lot like by the WE in that time period.
• 1:02:39
  Like it was if you go back and watch Ross on the time period,
• 1:02:42
  it's not just the one promo. It's used quite a bit when it
• 1:02:44
  comes to that kids also like big and strong.
• 1:02:46
  Does it also like? Is it also important for all
• 1:02:49
  that things? Oh, I feel like I can remember
• 1:02:52
  seeing signs. I said the big red retard like
• 1:02:54
  it was definitely a thing and like it's it's not the same.
• 1:02:58
  But if I remember, like the rivalry I really liked, which I
• 1:03:01
  haven't gone by and we watched, but when Big Show feuded with
• 1:03:04
  Shane McMahon and like the whole kind of set up with that is that
• 1:03:07
  like Big Show was big and dumb and slow.
• 1:03:10
  And I remember thinking that was brilliant.
• 1:03:11
  And in my head that was a really good feud.
• 1:03:13
  I'll have to go by and we watch it, see if it's dated.
• 1:03:15
  But then Fast forward it years and years later, Shane McMahon
• 1:03:19
  essentially did the same feud with Braun Strowman and it
• 1:03:22
  didn't carry then. He was trying to make him out to
• 1:03:24
  be big, dumb and slow. And like, people online were
• 1:03:27
  like, this is fucking shit like this, this doesn't work anymore.
• 1:03:30
  So I think that, you know, he wasn't called him a retard and
• 1:03:33
  he wasn't called Braun Strowman a retard, but there were
• 1:03:35
  similarities to what he was insinuating.
• 1:03:37
  And when they try to roll that back, you know, it was probably
• 1:03:41
  2021. People online did not like it.
• 1:03:44
  Yeah, no, definitely. I think it's definitely in this
• 1:03:48
  time period like retardation or retard I think was used, but I
• 1:03:52
  think at one point in America they were probably commonly used
• 1:03:54
  medical terms. But I think I think they became
• 1:03:56
  like slang terms We used just to call people names in the
• 1:03:59
  schoolyard. I remember using it like in the
• 1:04:01
  house and like Imam going absolutely ballistic like.
• 1:04:06
  Because. Obviously not really used much
• 1:04:08
  in UK culture at the time, but it was like why?
• 1:04:10
  Why are you saying that word? Like stop it?
• 1:04:13
  Obviously I learned not to not to use that word.
• 1:04:18
  But the rock said it, man. I did it.
• 1:04:20
  I did it for the Rock. Yes, but I'm glad I don't use
• 1:04:22
  that word and I'm glad I learned why not use that word.
• 1:04:27
  But obviously as we continue in this segment grows, I imagine
• 1:04:30
  there'll be more things like that that the commonly used at
• 1:04:33
  the time that like look back now and be like Nope.
• 1:04:37
  No. And but I think it's also
• 1:04:38
  important to say that, well, you you might not agree with this
• 1:04:41
  and again, other people might not and kind of chime in on it.
• 1:04:44
  But like, I don't think it means The Rock's a bad person.
• 1:04:47
  Do you know what I mean? Like, I think it was of the time
• 1:04:50
  and it's not right. But like, do you know what I
• 1:04:55
  mean? Like, well, I think if should
• 1:04:58
  The Rock be cancelled because he called Kane a retard on a on a
• 1:05:01
  foot unscripted program in 1999? No, I don't.
• 1:05:04
  It isn't. Would we do that now?
• 1:05:06
  No, we wouldn't because as a society we evolve and we're kind
• 1:05:09
  of become better people. But yeah.
• 1:05:11
  Also, like, this isn't like the actor Dwayne Johnson, like this
• 1:05:15
  is the character The Rock on television, so.
• 1:05:17
  Exactly, which I think is a really important kind of
• 1:05:19
  differentiation to make. So, yeah, definitely.
• 1:05:22
  So like the rock scene in character as like that persona
• 1:05:26
  to sort of poke for a cane. And the audience loved it.
• 1:05:30
  As he said, they were making signs and coming out with signs.
• 1:05:32
  So does that make wrestling fans bad?
• 1:05:34
  People don't think things just a sign the times.
• 1:05:35
  But it is unsafe phone, but it's it's intriguing to look back
• 1:05:40
  like how words change meaning and how they're used in society.
• 1:05:44
  And it's a wrestling is a great way to look at that because it's
• 1:05:47
  such a big part of of culture. And I think it it's a kind of go
• 1:05:51
  back on at the South Park thing. I think wrestling does always
• 1:05:54
  try and latch on to what's kind of popular in culture at the
• 1:05:56
  moment. So that there is that that does
• 1:05:58
  give you the broader idea like that is what kind of the
• 1:06:01
  zeitgeist was at the time. That's OK.
• 1:06:03
  That's what we're in do not retards.
• 1:06:05
  But you know what I mean? It was that kind of in your
• 1:06:07
  face. It was fucking Jackass.
• 1:06:09
  It was all that type of thing. It was more kind of brutal,
• 1:06:12
  which when you look back on now wasn't ideal, but it was it was
• 1:06:15
  very, you know, the WWE weren't the only gig in town using that
• 1:06:19
  type of language, for better or worse.
• 1:06:20
  What's it's not just like all media follow suit is what I've
• 1:06:23
  learned and studied. So like during this time, the
• 1:06:26
  Attitude Era was a time when like in Hollywood, like you, you
• 1:06:31
  slash off films and your disaster movies got really
• 1:06:32
  popular because they're like, you know, they were gritty and
• 1:06:35
  like, you know, like dark and evil and like fun and sexy in a
• 1:06:39
  way as well, if that makes sense.
• 1:06:41
  Like in in your porn world at the time.
• 1:06:43
  Now, I wasn't watching porn because I was a child, but
• 1:06:45
  looking back and studying it, like at the time, it was like,
• 1:06:48
  it was more like your eject type of porn got popular.
• 1:06:51
  Like your your fake stuff, snuff movies and things like that were
• 1:06:54
  popping up. People were downloading them.
• 1:06:56
  WE went extreme. ACW got big.
• 1:06:58
  Like, do you know what I mean? Hardcore wrestling got big.
• 1:07:01
  Backyard wrestling got big. It was all like pushing things
• 1:07:03
  to the end. What would be sort of extreme to
• 1:07:05
  be like So swearing extreme content in like nudity and sex
• 1:07:10
  with all popular across everything South Park doing
• 1:07:12
  those things, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:14
  Jerry Springer. Exactly made.
• 1:07:15
  And then when we get like in the sort of the early 2000s, like
• 1:07:19
  2002 onwards, you know, is when things start to change.
• 1:07:23
  And you know, I think that's when your movies start to
• 1:07:26
  change, your superhero movies start coming out.
• 1:07:31
  He moves to more of a PG. You have seen her, although he's
• 1:07:34
  on the edge a little bit, but he becomes the superhero character,
• 1:07:36
  right? You know, I think you in porn,
• 1:07:39
  you you the market changes from being sort of that sort of dirty
• 1:07:44
  side to being more of the parody side.
• 1:07:48
  That makes sense. So like so like Hollywood
• 1:07:52
  changes, like porn changes, wrestling changes, music
• 1:07:54
  changes, like it all sort of shifts at the same time.
• 1:07:57
  Like one will shift before all that, but then like everything
• 1:07:59
  does follow suit that way, if that makes sense.
• 1:08:02
  But just look at the like, look at the music they use for on
• 1:08:05
  Smackdown now. It's all kind of this stuff like
• 1:08:07
  Travis Scott and things like that.
• 1:08:08
  Because that's what kind of a younger demographic listeners to
• 1:08:11
  was when we grown up. It was Nickelback, it was Saliva
• 1:08:13
  because you grungy indie was very and then yes, like every
• 1:08:16
  aspect can be looked at and it can say it was a sign of the
• 1:08:19
  times. You just can't use that if
• 1:08:20
  something's really abhorrent. But like, in that context, yeah,
• 1:08:23
  it wasn't great, but it was kind of where everything was as a
• 1:08:27
  society. Indeed, that brings an end to
• 1:08:31
  Did they really say that? The Next up is the segment
• 1:08:34
  Cursed by the Wrestling Gods. So we'll talk about either a
• 1:08:37
  certain gimmick or an entire person of Korea.
• 1:08:40
  Could be an event, just something that, you know, maybe
• 1:08:43
  had a lot of promise, but then, you know, was cursed by the
• 1:08:46
  Wrestling Gods and it didn't work out so well.
• 1:08:48
  And this time we're talking about Heinenreich.
• 1:08:51
  That is John Heidenreich, obviously now an American
• 1:08:55
  retired professional wrestler. What's your first thoughts when
• 1:08:59
  I mentioned Heidenreich, Luke? Him having Michael pinned up
• 1:09:03
  against the wall looking like he was sexually assaulting them,
• 1:09:06
  that's the first thing that comes to me head when I think of
• 1:09:08
  Heidenreich. It's nothing that doesn't age
• 1:09:10
  well. It wouldn't happen now on
• 1:09:11
  television. But yes, I mean, Heidenreich
• 1:09:14
  basically began training to be a wrestler in 2001, and he was
• 1:09:18
  sort of at a place called Ultimate Pro Wrestling from 2000
• 1:09:22
  and one 2003. Bruce Prichard seen him and
• 1:09:25
  tried to get him on a developmental contract, which he
• 1:09:27
  did and he sort of wrestles a few dark matches on Sunday Night
• 1:09:31
  Heat. He also works in Ohio Valley
• 1:09:33
  Wrestling and he's sort of he's released in 2003, doesn't really
• 1:09:38
  go anywhere big on the roster and he goes to Japan for a bit.
• 1:09:41
  He works some Indies and he impresses WE scouts and they re
• 1:09:45
  sign him in 2003 basically and then 2003's where he's run
• 1:09:48
  starts. So in 2003 higher it makes his
• 1:09:51
  return to WWE's. It's now called on Raw and he's
• 1:09:57
  got this gimmick where he's being controlled by Anthony
• 1:09:59
  known as Little Johnny. And this is something he's been
• 1:10:02
  doing on the on the Indies and in Ohio Valley Wrestling as
• 1:10:04
  well. But yeah, like, you know, he
• 1:10:07
  teams with the Hurricane, defeats La Resistance, he teams
• 1:10:11
  with Trish Trout to defeat Victoria and Stevie Richards.
• 1:10:15
  He goes on a bit of an undefeated streak, but he is
• 1:10:16
  beaten by Rico by the end of the first year.
• 1:10:21
  And then he sort of vanishes for a bit, and then he comes back
• 1:10:25
  out in February. He's defeated by Rob Van Dam.
• 1:10:29
  He wrestles a few more times. Then he sort of vanishes from
• 1:10:31
  television. He then sort of comes back in
• 1:10:40
  2004 and like, feuds with the inner Tiger.
• 1:10:43
  So pretty big. So yeah, he turns in August.
• 1:10:44
  I remember, I remember the tiger feuds.
• 1:10:46
  Yeah, he comes back in August 2004 as a heel managed by Paul
• 1:10:50
  Heyman, right? He's new gimmicks.
• 1:10:52
  He's a psychopath. He's running, running the
• 1:10:54
  injured random matches, attacking fans, reciting hateful
• 1:10:58
  poetry, which he refers to as his disaster pieces.
• 1:11:01
  I don't know if I remember that. But yeah, because I think that's
• 1:11:05
  what he was doing to Michael Cole, pinned against that wall.
• 1:11:08
  I think he was reading him a poem.
• 1:11:09
  Yes, he attacked commentator Michael Cole, dragged him
• 1:11:12
  backstage and for lack of that term, like sort of the insinuate
• 1:11:16
  he's possibly raped him. So yeah, I think.
• 1:11:21
  It was the insinuation. Yes, insinuable.
• 1:11:23
  Never confirmed. In a 2008 interview, Heinrich
• 1:11:25
  does explain that that Michael Cole rape angle was Vincent
• 1:11:28
  Man's idea and that it came from Pulp Fiction.
• 1:11:33
  So Vince must have seen Pulp Fiction.
• 1:11:34
  That we can then decide that's a good thing.
• 1:11:36
  For the first time ever, I would have been.
• 1:11:38
  In 2006, Vince saw Pulp Fiction for the first time, I'd imagine.
• 1:11:41
  Yeah, this is good. Shit, edgy what we need.
• 1:11:46
  Well, do do. Do you know what Vince wanted
• 1:11:49
  Hayden Reich's gimmick to be, first of all?
• 1:11:51
  I know I don't. So he wanted him to be a Nazi
• 1:11:54
  show soldier that had been frozen in time.
• 1:11:57
  The day iced him and he come out thing and the war was still on.
• 1:12:00
  Or so I've heard that lot that was from Don Manigan.
• 1:12:05
  He was a writer. He pitched out the Vince and
• 1:12:06
  Vince actually left the office. Never come back that day so.
• 1:12:10
  All right, so it wasn't actually Vince wasn't.
• 1:12:12
  So that was pitched by, AW writer called Don Madigan.
• 1:12:16
  He pinched it directly to Vince and like, yeah, like, basically
• 1:12:23
  he's going to wear like, a red arm on the swastika.
• 1:12:24
  He's going to do the goose step into the ring.
• 1:12:28
  But yeah, even McMahon, consider that shocking.
• 1:12:31
  He left the boardroom speechless and he didn't return.
• 1:12:33
  And then that right or left. Yeah.
• 1:12:36
  That's a credit really that it was that you've gone 25 and
• 1:12:39
  Vince has gone. Mate, you need to leave now.
• 1:12:41
  Get out. Pitched it and even Vince.
• 1:12:43
  Gets out. So yeah, if you have to tell the
• 1:12:46
  truth there, Vince has maybe done a lot of things in his life
• 1:12:49
  and you know, the truth will come out soon about all those
• 1:12:52
  things. But this is 1 where I think he
• 1:12:55
  Vince is on the right side of history this time I think.
• 1:12:58
  Good, good, good. Put that on the pro.
• 1:13:00
  Put that on the positive column for Vince.
• 1:13:02
  Indeed, one, it's one in there. But yeah, so obviously he's
• 1:13:05
  fuming in a taker. He ran injured in a taker.
• 1:13:08
  Do we do we championship match against John Brad Jollyfield?
• 1:13:10
  No mercy undertaker beat the mid Survivor Series we had a quite a
• 1:13:14
  big programme. Heidrich cost in the
• 1:13:16
  championship at Armageddon when the interfere in the field four
• 1:13:20
  way they had a match attribute to the troops.
• 1:13:25
  Yeah, Heidrich and Ham and lost them to take out A2 on a
• 1:13:28
  handicap match after Ham was pinned and then after the match
• 1:13:31
  Ham was placed in the casket by then to take our writing him off
• 1:13:33
  television and the Royal Rumble take our faced.
• 1:13:43
  It's like the Royal Rumble. Yeah, the casket match.
• 1:13:46
  And I believe he's beating the casket match.
• 1:13:48
  And it was meant to build for Snitsky and Stitzky and Heinrich
• 1:13:54
  to fight Tiger and Kane at WrestleMania, but that didn't
• 1:13:59
  happen. And that feud paid off in a
• 1:14:00
  house short later. And then Heinrich vanishes
• 1:14:02
  again. But when he comes back, he's
• 1:14:07
  teemed with Animal, obviously from the Legion of Doom.
• 1:14:11
  And he's actually like officially branded like a member
• 1:14:15
  of the Legion of Doom 2005. And they win the tag team
• 1:14:17
  titles. And he's got the he's got the
• 1:14:21
  face paint, he gets the Mohawk, he wears the pads, the spiky
• 1:14:23
  pads. You know, people still talk this
• 1:14:26
  day like like road warrior pop because like the Legion of Doom
• 1:14:29
  was so everywhere they went across the world, you know, and
• 1:14:32
  again, like I think you know, Heinrich, he's few Undertaker
• 1:14:37
  over the WWE championship. You know, he's been he's been
• 1:14:40
  involved with some of some great wrestlers.
• 1:14:42
  As I mentioned, he teams with, you know, the return of LOD and
• 1:14:46
  obviously doesn't quite work out LOD sadly, but the fact he was
• 1:14:49
  there, he had the opportunity to, you know, could have been
• 1:14:51
  something so, so big. Yeah, and that LOD, if you just
• 1:14:56
  look at that on paper, like I teamed with like, you know, the
• 1:14:59
  surviving member of the LOD, the one, the tag titles, that's
• 1:15:01
  massive. That's absolutely fucking
• 1:15:02
  massive. But like at the same time it was
• 1:15:05
  like, ever remember it? It was a really weird timeless
• 1:15:08
  smackdown when I think you probably haven't fused with
• 1:15:10
  people like the Mexico's, you know, who were three Mexican
• 1:15:12
  wrestlers come with the ring on lawn mowers.
• 1:15:14
  And whenever people kind of compile them lists of like worst
• 1:15:17
  tag champs ever, kind of worst runs ever, that LOD 2000 with
• 1:15:22
  them 2 is often kind of very high up on them lists of kind of
• 1:15:25
  worst ever. So it's like on paper it sounds
• 1:15:28
  like it would have been a really good thing.
• 1:15:30
  But like history doesn't look back on it that way at all.
• 1:15:32
  Kind as far as like wrestling historians.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah, that's why it's cursed. But like, it could have been
• 1:15:36
  like there's an opportunity there for it to be good, but it
• 1:15:39
  didn't work always. That's why it's cursed.
• 1:15:42
  Oh, no. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:15:43
  So you have like sweet teams up with warrior animal once the
• 1:15:49
  Hawks passed away, Sally the mayor that he's been official
• 1:15:54
  member that he's in a doom and on the win the tag team titles.
• 1:15:58
  But then they lose them pretty quickly in a match involved in
• 1:16:02
  the Mexico's William Riga, Paul Burchill as well.
• 1:16:04
  There you go and Paul Burchill, it will be a pirate soon as
• 1:16:07
  well. Yes, indeed.
• 1:16:08
  Kind of give you an idea of the landscape there.
• 1:16:10
  Which going back to that as well, Vince not seeing things.
• 1:16:13
  So apparently the story on Paul Burchill as a pirate is that he
• 1:16:16
  come out in fucking full Johnny Depp gear.
• 1:16:18
  Vince, this was backstage and was like, this is fucking
• 1:16:20
  brilliant. And someone was like, yeah,
• 1:16:22
  yeah, but it's just Pirates the Caribbean.
• 1:16:24
  He was like, what the fucks? Pirates of the Caribbean, the
• 1:16:26
  short Vincent. And they're like, get him off TV
• 1:16:28
  now before Disney sue us. That's kind of like we're forget
• 1:16:32
  out with that tag division at the moment.
• 1:16:34
  Cease and desist from the Walt Disney Company with.
• 1:16:36
  Yeah. Yeah, and then Heinrich wrestled
• 1:16:40
  his final match, teaming up with Animal one last time to defeat
• 1:16:43
  Lucio and Vito on the December 30th edition of Velocity.
• 1:16:48
  And then on the January 17th, 2006, WWE announced that
• 1:16:52
  Heinrich had been released from his contract.
• 1:16:54
  So our our number, Heinrich has been, you know, he got to work
• 1:16:58
  with Neptake, He got to work with Kane, Snitsky got to work
• 1:17:00
  with RVD, you work with Booker T You know, we've got to be, you
• 1:17:04
  know, in the reincarnated Legion to do much, although failed
• 1:17:07
  miserably, like had a lot of upside.
• 1:17:09
  You know, you're getting put into something that's got a lot
• 1:17:10
  of history and legacy. So could have been big.
• 1:17:13
  Heinrich himself, you know, he's 6 foot five, 285 lbs.
• 1:17:16
  You know, he's looked Jack. He was a mean machine.
• 1:17:18
  I thought, you know, he'd been an offensive lineman in the NFL.
• 1:17:21
  He wasn't drafted. I don't think a lot of upside to
• 1:17:24
  this guy. And then it just doesn't work
• 1:17:26
  out. His character work with his
• 1:17:27
  poems, I think was actually quite good at adding more to him
• 1:17:30
  just being this big jacked man, if that makes sense.
• 1:17:33
  You know, he did try to do the psychological things and do the
• 1:17:35
  storytelling in, in creative ways.
• 1:17:38
  But obviously Sally didn't work out and he didn't have, you
• 1:17:43
  know, he only won one title. That was the tacking title.
• 1:17:44
  You were my animal, you know, No, no singles titles.
• 1:17:49
  Wasn't in the company too long. But yeah.
• 1:17:52
  What's your thoughts? Do you feel, did you feel that
• 1:17:55
  maybe he should have done better with like, his natural art?
• 1:17:57
  Repeat. Somebody hard going for him?
• 1:18:00
  I think it's like I've said, I kind of alluded with that tag
• 1:18:02
  team division. I think it's a funny time in WWE
• 1:18:06
  where I think it's a time where they get accused of not being
• 1:18:09
  able to build new stars. But then when you look back, I
• 1:18:11
  don't think it was for like a trying.
• 1:18:13
  And as you've kind of recapped over there, I think he was
• 1:18:16
  definitely given chances. So I mean, if you're in there
• 1:18:18
  with the Undertaker, the the the putting some stock in you.
• 1:18:22
  And I think if something doesn't work out, I think it's that I
• 1:18:25
  don't have time and overall ability.
• 1:18:26
  And I think with the different characters and things like that
• 1:18:28
  he had. And if you look to what he then
• 1:18:30
  does after WWE, he doesn't really land anywhere else.
• 1:18:33
  I think it just mean that like ultimately that although he had
• 1:18:36
  some moments, he just the overall ability for the play
• 1:18:39
  kind of getting over and the business wasn't there
• 1:18:41
  unfortunately for him. Yeah.
• 1:18:43
  And he after he leaves, he does just sort of core on the indices
• 1:18:45
  in the World Wrestling Council for a couple of years.
• 1:18:47
  And then he's on the independent circuit from 2007 to 2009, then
• 1:18:50
  again 2016 to 28. He has a break in the middle.
• 1:18:55
  But yeah. And I think I remember watching
• 1:18:57
  him in that when his female take on, I remember thinking like,
• 1:19:02
  no, I loved him because I was never a fan of hiding, but I
• 1:19:04
  remember legitimately believing that he was like could go total
• 1:19:08
  within the taker. So you know what?
• 1:19:09
  I did believe that, which was a good thing, I think.
• 1:19:12
  Oh yeah, you look the part, which I think is probably why he
• 1:19:15
  kept getting like tried and different opportunities.
• 1:19:18
  So yeah, he definitely wrote the part.
• 1:19:22
  And yeah, now obviously Heinrich is retired, I think.
• 1:19:25
  Yeah, my final thoughts are this thing, you know, the guy was he
• 1:19:28
  was, he was tall, he was jacked. He had the look, I think he
• 1:19:31
  wasn't just a big guy, though. Like I said, he had intricacies
• 1:19:34
  where, you know, he was doing those poetry things.
• 1:19:37
  You know, he was doing different bits of sort of psychological
• 1:19:40
  work as well, which I think some big people don't do and don't
• 1:19:43
  get credit for. But he was.
• 1:19:46
  And yeah, like had things been received a bit differently or
• 1:19:48
  he'd done it differently with them, could have been around
• 1:19:51
  longer. Like I said, you work more than
• 1:19:53
  I take. I work in McCain.
• 1:19:55
  You work with Legion to doom like those are big opportunities
• 1:19:57
  and Sally didn't work out for him one way or another and he
• 1:20:00
  closing thoughts on high. Break.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah, I think the only thing that was missing really there is
• 1:20:04
  that he never was given. Maybe he's a mid card run.
• 1:20:07
  Like I said, they tried them at the top, put in A tag team and
• 1:20:09
  that was done. It might have been interesting
• 1:20:11
  to see if they'd given him like AUS or an IC title run to see if
• 1:20:14
  he could have got something off the ground with that.
• 1:20:16
  But yeah, that would kind of it was this guy who's kind of a big
• 1:20:19
  part of me watching wrestling at that time.
• 1:20:21
  It was that peak time where, like I say, I would have been
• 1:20:23
  like probably 40 and 15 where I was, you know, religiously
• 1:20:26
  watching it every week. So I remember him a lot.
• 1:20:29
  And yeah, just a shame that like all the different things that
• 1:20:31
  they've tried, never really landed for him.
• 1:20:34
  Indeed. But I think, you know, to sit
• 1:20:37
  and be like, Oh yes, like my one WWE title was A tag team title
• 1:20:42
  with the Royal Warrior Animal as officially Legion of Doom 2020,
• 1:20:46
  2006. That's a pretty cool start to
• 1:20:49
  have. I think regardless you can, you
• 1:20:52
  can put, yeah, you can go to the pub, have a pint and toss to
• 1:20:55
  that I think as Heinrich. 100% which kind of leads us to a
• 1:21:00
  closing part, isn't? It yes.
• 1:21:02
  So our last segment is pro wrestling, Feel good, fact of
• 1:21:04
  the week and Luke, you've got this this week.
• 1:21:07
  Yeah, so we're going to close it off with Heidenreich.
• 1:21:09
  So what's Heidenreich up to now, people might ask?
• 1:21:12
  So this is a quote that's kind of been doing the rounds in the
• 1:21:15
  wrestling news this week. So here's the quote.
• 1:21:18
  So. So I'm at work last week and
• 1:21:20
  there's an older gentleman stalking.
• 1:21:22
  We would always say hey, in passing.
• 1:21:24
  The other day he was like, did you watch the movie?
• 1:21:27
  I was like, as a matter of fact, I used to watch it all the time.
• 1:21:30
  Then dude said, yeah, I used to be a wrestler.
• 1:21:33
  I've wrestled The Undertaker, Booker T, Stephen Regal, The
• 1:21:36
  Rock. I met Steve Austin at his debut
• 1:21:38
  match, used to hang out with Triple H and Trish Stratus and I
• 1:21:42
  was like, wait what? You're kidding right?
• 1:21:44
  Dude was in fact not kidding. One of the nicest, most humble
• 1:21:47
  people I've met in a while. I bought his action figure, had
• 1:21:50
  him sign it and pause for a picture with me.
• 1:21:52
  You could tell it made him happy to be able to be in the
• 1:21:54
  spotlight again and things like that make me happy.
• 1:21:57
  Plus now I can see I've been put in a headlock by a professional
• 1:22:00
  wrestler. Edit His wrestling name was
• 1:22:03
  Heidenreich. Yeah, it's just obviously, you
• 1:22:06
  know, he works at Walmart now and you know, me and you look,
• 1:22:09
  you know, we've worked many different jobs and we've we've
• 1:22:11
  done those sort of customer first face and retail type jobs,
• 1:22:14
  you know, and they're needed in the world and some and you need
• 1:22:18
  those jobs sometimes I think you might think ought to fall from
• 1:22:20
  grace being, you know, a wrestler to working in Walmart.
• 1:22:23
  But sounds like John Heidenreich, does his job with a
• 1:22:26
  smile, likes talking about his past when he gets a chance to,
• 1:22:29
  seems quite humble and is, you know, trying to live his life
• 1:22:33
  and move forward. No, no.
• 1:22:35
  And I think it is a feel good story because like you say like
• 1:22:39
  especially like, you know, in an FM bases especially, and that
• 1:22:42
  can be quite toxic. But it's like, yeah, this guy's
• 1:22:45
  working in Walmart now. But as he says, like he's been
• 1:22:48
  at the fucking top of the mountain in a lot of ways that,
• 1:22:50
  you know, he's achieved things that some of us could only dream
• 1:22:53
  of. And it's it's cool that like he
• 1:22:55
  stopped. He's, you know, he's working in
• 1:22:57
  Walmart. But you can still tell those
• 1:22:59
  stories with a smile on his face because I know there's probably
• 1:23:01
  a lot of people who have had similar ones like Heidenreich
• 1:23:04
  who are probably quite better. So it's cool to say that like,
• 1:23:06
  you know, he can, as you say, toast to be.
• 1:23:08
  I look back and have a chuckle like, yeah, that actually
• 1:23:10
  fucking happened. He can never take that away from
• 1:23:12
  somebody. And that's the kind of important
• 1:23:14
  thing that if you achieve something like that, you can
• 1:23:17
  never take that away from somebody.
• 1:23:18
  And it's really nice that he's got that, no matter what happens
• 1:23:21
  down the road for the rest of his life.
• 1:23:22
  So it isn't wrestling came up and he chose like, talk about it
• 1:23:25
  from a Joyce point of view. Like these are the cool things I
• 1:23:27
  did, the cool people I work with.
• 1:23:28
  Yeah, yeah. Because he could have been like,
• 1:23:31
  yeah, he could be like, fucking sure, Michaels, he's a Dick.
• 1:23:34
  Fucking William Regal wouldn't trust him.
• 1:23:35
  Do you know what I mean? But it was none of that.
• 1:23:37
  It was just like, Oh yeah, I wrestle these guys.
• 1:23:38
  I hung out with these guys. Pretty cool.
• 1:23:40
  Hey, like, nice. It's really positive to see
• 1:23:42
  someone speaking in that way when, like I say, they could
• 1:23:45
  could easily be very better from it.
• 1:23:47
  Indeed. Indeed.
• 1:23:48
  Any final thought for this week's episode?
• 1:23:52
  No, I think we'll put a lot in there.
• 1:23:54
  And like I said, it's more some heavier topics than normal as
• 1:23:57
  well. So like I said, we'll be
• 1:23:58
  interested to get people's feedback on what we have spoken
• 1:24:01
  about. Definitely.
• 1:24:03
  So again, if you're listening on Spotify, we will be following
• 1:24:05
  up, there'll be a poll on there and there'll be an option to
• 1:24:09
  leave comments. Please do and we will address
• 1:24:11
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• 1:24:16
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• 1:24:20
  leave comments, but if you go to our Instagram, again, that's at
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  SAS Wrestlingpod, you can sort of leave a comment there and
• 1:24:28
  then we can bring it up on the housekeeping segment of the show
• 1:24:31
  next week. Luke, thank you very much for
• 1:24:33
  joining. Always great talking wrestling
• 1:24:35
  with you. And you?
• 1:24:38
  And remember, it's still real to us, damn it.