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The Glory of God and Automotive Repair · The Hearing God Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Anthony Moore.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Dan Lamus.
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  SPEAKER_00: For over a decade, Anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical, and the matters of the heart.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we invite you into these weekly conversations.
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  SPEAKER_02: We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table.
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  SPEAKER_00: So pull up a chair, settle in, and let's get started.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ready, ready or not?
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: How's it going, Dan?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, um, I was thinking you're I knew you were gonna ask me that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm always I'm always contemplating that before we get started.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I would say um the transformation continues.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: The uh the being conformed to the image uh of our creator, that's uh it continues.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and for those uh pretty much most everybody listening to us right now is probably younger than me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna like recite my age right at the moment, but um knowing that probably a lot of folks are younger, I want to say, hey, the growth continues.
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  SPEAKER_00: Found myself chatting with a couple friends after church yesterday morning and quoting one of my favorite Dallas Willard quotes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, believe it or not, somebody other than C.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lewis is quotable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, although not quite as quotable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but one of my favorites that favorite Dallas Willard quotes is uh I am an unceasing eternal being.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I got it wrong.
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  SPEAKER_00: Rewind.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am uh an unceasing spiritual being with an eternal purpose in God's great universe.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh which makes the six decades I live seem like just getting started.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and so I'm I'm enjoying the I am enjoying cultivating the belief within myself that I'm gonna continue growing uh as long as I'm willing to do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I on even on into uh the age to come, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, it's interesting that you said that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh the first thought that that just reminded me of something that you had mentioned the other day about uh God's not done with you yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: To my to to which my response is I don't know if he's ever gonna be done with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is exactly what was on my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's like God's never gonna be done with me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he's not done with me now, uh, and he's never gonna be done with me.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what do I do?
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  SPEAKER_02: Actually, well, like that's kind of like a throwback to last week's talk about purpose and being chosen and those kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: But like really, yeah, I'm just happy that not only is he not done with me, and I know that like I feel like the the sort of uh common, the common sort of understanding of you know, that phrase is very much like in the you know, here we are in on earth, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you know, kind of in this paradigm that we're currently living in.
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  SPEAKER_02: But reality is, is you know, that will translate or transcend into eternity as far as I'm concerned.
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  SPEAKER_02: So and again, like purpose continues eternally, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's never not, there's never not gonna be purpose.
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  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, yeah, God's not finished with me yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or or ever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so for you know, and I so for me, I, you know, uh people often say, you know, we're our own worst enemy at times.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and I would say to to all of that thought is uh-oh, like something in me says, uh-oh, I how many times am I done with me though?
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  SPEAKER_00: And in God, you know, like I've the Holy Spirit meets me in that place saying, You don't need to be done with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm not done with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't, so you have permission to not be done with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you have permission to be have grace toward yourself, yeah, to get ready for what's next.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, let go of regret.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to live in that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I so that causes, like to me, that causes transformation in my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I I'm immediately aware, well, if I'm not gonna sit in regret, what am I gonna do?
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I realize, well, I can do the next thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then it seems like blood gets pumping through the veins back to putting one foot in front of the other.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when we, you know, again, there's there's tons of tactics that the enemy can use to sideline us as believers, and one of them is regret, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So for sure, and and again, like, you know, all that stuff, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: That we you know, we talk about kind of frequently.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I just really it's like when we when we begin to choose to do the next thing, like we begin to choose not to not live in regret, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: To not sort of simmer and you know, uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like stew, yeah, stew in the squalor of regret, disappointment, discouragement.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah there really is, there really is something uh amazing on the other side of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's really like you feel there there's a there's a coming back to the purposes of God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right, and then that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's an incredible like it's it's just it's it's a mind-blowing thing to say just when we're done with us or with other people, sure, God's saying yes, but if you humble yourself before me, you're gonna discover something you didn't expect.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I th and I believe it's this that you're referring to, that the you know, the the ability to move into what's next, yeah uh is huge.
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  SPEAKER_00: I um recently somebody suggested to me that we underestimate the value of joy in that whole regard, like um being remembering remembering to be joyful in moving into what's next.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, when I'm feeling miserable, I typically tend to shut down and not do anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um but if but when I'm reminded, like, you know what, there are some things I can do, and I can do them in the joy of the Lord, even if it's a small thing, it is amazing how quickly the motivation returns.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I do have but it but it's in remembering okay, I I have license to be joyful.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can choose to not be sullen and whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I can go ahead and say, well, even if I don't have a reason right now to come up with to be joyful, I can just go ahead and be joyful and do a small thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that will be a good idea.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like I I think I think some of it is that, you know, I think a lot of the battle is that we know, you know, as a sort of as a believer who has lived this, you know, have been following the Lord for gosh, over 40 years now, uh you have seasons where, you know, again, specifically about joy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, sometimes it's just a matter of like, I don't want to be joyful.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know what the right answer is, but I'd rather just I'd rather just sit here in my lack of joy, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's not, I mean, at some at some level, right, and I know that uh if you're human, you've experienced some of these things, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: You're going through seasons where, and maybe even justifiably so, um, and plenty of times where it's not necessarily justified, it could be just how you woke up in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the but the reality is is that even like by not choosing joy, I'm settling for something less than what God has for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so then I'm choosing to live in the dysfunction, and there's something certainly very appealing about that, but but in in sort of in in uh sort of uh non-obvious sort of way, there is that, you know, coming into uh alignment with for all of sin and falling short of the glory of God, like not operating in joy, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Out of the joy of the Lord is outside of the will and the in the plan of God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: So so even in a nothing short, yeah, like falling short, like it's for sure, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is, and again, like I'm you know, I I want to be careful where I draw lines here, but there is something about that where, and again, it's this this isn't saying that, you know, hear what I'm saying and hear what I'm not saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, there are there are there are lines to be drawn that where some of those things are understandable, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: But ultimately, goes back to I just want to just go back goes back to like how can we be strong in the Lord, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Biblically speaking, it's really that the joy of the Lord is our strength.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So man, man, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So so anyway, like I think, I think just the call is is, you know, if you're sort of like, and and we know, I know my heart, you know, enough to know that sometimes I just like to sit there in my lack of joy and just be content in my misery, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we so right, where we're where maybe the maybe the heaven and earth um dynamic there is, I think it's possible to be to be sad, go through sadness with joy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's okay to admit humans are going to suffer, so sufferings are gonna come along.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's okay to be, you know, to not be smiley necessarily, but be joyful.
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  SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I think the counterfeit is really indulging myself in getting uh like anti-joy when I'm sad or when I'm suffering, to say, well, I deserve to be, I deserve to get bitter, or I deserve to get depressed or discouraged with this and forget about joy when really um part of even our calling is that when we suffer, to suffer with Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, yeah, and I I just think like so.
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  SPEAKER_02: We've said this, and this is not just our original thought, and you know, other leaders around us have said that you know, joy is not happiness.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when you are not happy, like you can still be joyful, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so yes, and so one of the things that we don't necessarily do is that we don't color in, you know, what that looks like for people, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And again, like I I do think, like for sure, one of those is like in a you know, in a in a grieving situation where a loved one has died, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Where we can be profoundly sad, grieve and mourn that that person is no longer, you know, in the land of the living, so to speak, and yet be joyful in our confidence and our hope that that person, you know, if they've been if if they've been a follower of Jesus, is is with the Lord and we'll see one another one day.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that's one one of the one of the things is that, but but we it's a little bit hard to reconcile.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a little bit hard to reconcile because we conflate the two often, happiness and joy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so while we say, we are quick to say that happiness and joy aren't the same thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We often fail to expound on that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, just a just a thing, just a thing of just, you know, I I'm not actually I'm trying to figure out how we got down this this rabbit hole anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: How's it been going?
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  SPEAKER_00: How's it been going for you?
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  SPEAKER_00: How's it going?
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  SPEAKER_02: Good, good, good.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think uh I think I'm energized for the fall.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm kind of been in these last week or so, I've been sort of compiling and dreaming uh in my head, my heart with the Lord for you know what's next uh in the building process of of the church, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So again, like you know, Jesus said I'm gonna build my church on Peter slash the revelation of Jesus, and the gates of hell wouldn't prevail.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we're we're in the vein of that, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So building with the Lord, you know, man makes his makes his plans, but the Lord orders his steps, those kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: I really am in a season of like wondering and dreaming with the Lord about what's next, and and uh it's been really good.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel really excited.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's amazing what a little forward energy will do, yeah uh to make you feel good about the future, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and again, and it's not it's not everything, but it's not nothing either, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, I something that in the years that I've known you, which is those are stretching out, my friends.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know we we have known each other a long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: We are a pro we're well, we're for sure 30 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what is that eternity?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what is that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, but one of the things that I really do want to compliment you on and appreciate you for jeepers is that that you uh hearing God is very connected, it seems to me, as I watch your life, hearing God is very connected to what do I do next.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hearing like dreaming with God is a very important component as I've watched you to what to do next and your expectation that it's going to be fruitful.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like uh, it's like uh like you don't you don't tend to just want to hear from God to just feel better.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I've noticed that when you're hearing God, you're saying, what does this say for where I need to go?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I think actually this is this is an interesting topic because there are plenty of times where uh, you know, in in the lane of like how do how do I interact with God as it pertains to my life, my mission, my calling, my purpose, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: There are some things that are sort of explicit, meaning the things that we proactively do.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then there are some things that are implicit, like what's just happening without my necessarily my input.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think following the Lord, I'll just shoot it over, and maybe this is maybe this is a uh a good rabbit trail.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think following the Lord is a little bit of both.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because, you know, when we look at the, you know, there are these areas where it's like, okay, Lord, what do you what do you want me to do?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which is very much in the vein of I'm gonna have a conversation with the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then then there are things like Lord, you've wired me in a certain way, in that sovereignty and the creativity of God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: You've wired me in a certain way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are things that I'm just gonna be interested in doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you've because you've made me a certain way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, so both of those things, in my viewpoint, are with the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes, sometimes, and again, like I, you know, uh, with a little caveat of like, obviously, at times we're, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna make plenty of mistakes along the way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I would like to say that there are plenty of things, and again, like this is something that I have to give myself grace and space for, uh, is that there are plenty of times where I'm going to be doing things simply out of the way that God created me, which is undoubtedly with the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yet I've been invited into this deeper conversational reality with God about specifics.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think there are there are both paradigms exist in terms of like how God is going to you know uh work in and through me to fulfill his plans and his design for me while I'm alive.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right, while I'm here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes so sometimes he's going to ask you or direct you to do things that are outside of your wiring.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you're open to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even though your bent is going to be drawn to those things that match up with your wiring.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, and so real.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I just it's like to say that like, you know, in my mind, my understanding, it's always going to be both.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, so if I sort of like, if I lean off into one side, here's here's an interesting thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: If I lean off to either ditch, let's just say, where if I go, I'm going to just wait for the sovereign word of the Lord, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Then I'm going to be, let's say I'm, I, I could tend to fall into it.
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  SPEAKER_02: May be said of me, he's so heavenly minded, he's no earthly good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Meaning he just wants to wants to just wait on the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if and the Lord's probably going, Well, I've made you to do certain things, just go and do them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the other the other says, yes, what are you waiting for?
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  SPEAKER_02: And the and the and the other the other ditch, the other ditch is that if I'm just, if I don't have that um conversational relationship with the Lord, and I'm off doing, well, I'm just made to I'm gonna do what I want.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna I'm gonna build it however I see fit.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then what the consequence of that is that I could be way down a road somewhere that God has been trying to get my attention about, where you know, He, he's like, He's like so, so to me, it's it's both.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's gotta be both.
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  SPEAKER_02: Both is that tension that we live in.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, how has God wired you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like that's and again, like that's something that you know I never would have settled on when I was 18 or 20 years old.
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  SPEAKER_02: I never would have had those paradigms.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I mean, again, in those, in those days, you're like frantically waiting for the word of the Lord to come down, uh, come down to you by whatever means.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yet, and yet sometimes it's as simple as like, okay, how did God make you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: What are your what are your dreams?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: What are your what's it what are your interests?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, again, like our interests, I'm gonna say this.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say this, our interests have been given to us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or or there's a root, there's a there's a source of the that kind of things that we're interested in.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, some people are curious about um how things work, and they may end up as a mechanic, yeah, or a computer technician.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, so some people are interested and fascinated about the mechanics of things, they want to tear stuff apart, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so so the root, the like God didn't necessarily call them to be a mechanic or whatever, yeah, but he made in them, he gave to them an interest in how things work.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what how does this work?
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  SPEAKER_02: How does this work?
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  SPEAKER_02: And then there are plenty of other people who could care less.
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  SPEAKER_02: They just care that that it works and they don't care to know why, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's a that's a little that's just an example of so yeah, so we have this, we have people who are who care about how things work, uh, and like tearing stuff apart and looking at cogs and machinery and circuitry and whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh how that fleshes itself out in a human is not necessarily like it'd be like, hey, I gave you this interest, you got freedom to explore how that works out for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, on the other side of that, and and you and I have certainly here heard plenty of stories out of uh you know uh over the years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of people who have maybe have been wired that way, God interrupts them and says, I want you to do this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want you to go stand on a stage and give an a teaching on whatever.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: Or it's like, I actually am calling you out of that and into something else.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: I want you to go prepare for this or maybe it's go do a thing.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: The top of mind is like ministry.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm calling you out of your career.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm we're switching and I'm calling you into ministry.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now, so so that's just to say that that's a little bit of the the both end of like living my life and following my purpose, following my calling with God is that there is there is the okay, what's what's the current wiring, right?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: In a you know, in a in a very like sovereign way, God has made all of us uniquely different.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: And we're just like, yeah, you know, snowflakes, right every yeah, I can't believe I just said that.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: I am very much like a snowflake, very much like a snowflake.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: Feeling like a snowflake, but but I guess I think uniqueness, yeah.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I think, I think that's the the part of the part of like how, okay, so how am I looking forward, you know, number one, to the next year or so, the next few, the next few months, the next year.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be a little bit of both.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I go, and I go, and again, like what it comes down to ultimately is the posture of my heart.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, right.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: So, so I either one of either one of those ditches can lead me off track.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like the the track of I'm just gonna wait for, you know, the sovereign word of the Lord to come down to me, to be downloaded, right?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right, you know, our you know, me and my charismatic friends often use the word download, like we're waiting for something specific.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: And when we don't necessarily hear something, we can get we can tend to get stuck there.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's because you get stalled because we get stuck there and stalled there, because God is God, oh man, God knows what he's spoken to us, yeah.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: And if we're constantly, like if God has said, Dan, you know, this is your this is how I've made you, this is your direction, right?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: And you keep coming back to him.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: What do you want me to do?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, he may not be giving you the next sort of explicit instruction.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Well, I've sent you off.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I've given you a calling, yeah, I've given you a direction, yeah, and I've given you wiring.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: So here so like that.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: So, so so he he may not, and he may in his goodness and his kindness and his mercy, right?
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: He he may respond to you, but he doesn't, he may not, right?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's he may not respond in the way that you're looking for.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: God may be content to wait, outlast you.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like and I think he has given you a thing to do, and you're 'cause I would say I would say this too.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, again, those who sort of like who live in one ditch over the other, right?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: So, so in the ditch of the in the ditch of the people who sort of like wait for that sovereign download from God, looking at people from the other ditch, right?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: They can take tend tend to judge them as unspiritual, not listening for God.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: And in the same, it's the same stretch, the people who are like, well, this is how God wired me looking at those.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's where you get that's good.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: He's so heavenly minded he's no earthly good.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Just to clarify, like to be properly have from our perspective, and we've we've said this before, to be properly heavenly minded is to be earthly good.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: But you get the sentiment, yeah, right there.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: So so you can't actually actually be truly heavenly minded without being earthly good.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Man, that's really good.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I love this because as you're describing that, first of all, I just want to highlight again that when we're when we are talking about the priority of hearing God, yeah, we we see a conversation going on with God in both of those categories.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, how have you wired me, God?
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: I want to glorify you through my life just by being who you designed me to be.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other that that is a conversation with God.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's also a conversation with God when He steps into that, you just being you for His glory, and He goes, Okay, now we're gonna go.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm calling you to this specific task, so task or mission, right, and we're taking this on the road in a sense.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, both of them are a con there, both of them are require hearing God.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: And totally what so what I'm appreciating in you, and I love hearing you talk about it, is is that you really do you represent that well of yes, I know God is glorified through me by me being Anthony, but I also am listening for what is it he wants, what's missional about this?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: What is it that God intends to do over the next six months?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming there's going to be something, and I want to hear from him about that.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's there's such a uh history and track record throughout scripture of that very thing.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I find it intriguing to think about what happens to men and women in the Bible when they're just going along glorifying God through their ordinary routines.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: And God steps into that, whether it's David the shepherd or Gideon, uh, you know, net just trying to get through life and just go get through a very difficult time in the land, being Gideon, and God steps in and goes, Okay, mighty man, valor, here's what I want you to do.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I mean it's all through scripture, there's Abraham, and there's, you know, all through all through scripture calling you to this, you know, you Jacob E saw the mess of that whole Isaac, all of that, yeah, all of those unfolding stories of God stepping into the ordinary life of a person he's designed, who's living as him as God's image, you know, glorifying God and being it in his being his chosen people, he'll step in and say, Okay, in the midst of that, here's I want you to go here and I want you to do this specific thing.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um well, I I wanted just an intriguing dynamic to notice.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: I want to just say, talking about like just want to throw in just in that pure operating and design, right?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Number one, the pitfall is is that like, you know, at least uh I'm gonna say this, whether or not this is uh necessarily uh said out loud, there is an implication there's at times from the more you know more prophetic, charismatic side, is that they would look at the other as unspiritual.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: And the truth is it's all spiritual.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, right?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah the truth is is it's it's actually all spiritual.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I was thinking about this too, like in terms of creation, right?
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: So we we how like God is glorified in and through his creation, in that when something works according to design, God God created a bird to sing, right?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Fly.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: God is glorified in the bird that sings, in the bird that flies.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah in like I've create like God's saying, I created you to fly, swing, to for uh fly and sing.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: And the fish is to do that.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: The glory of a bird is to do that.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right now the glory of God in the bird.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what I'm saying.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, the goal God is glorified, God is glorified when things that He has created live according to their purpose.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: So they live it according to design.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Now this gets a little more complicated with humans, but it's still very true.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it is.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Is like that we could we could say that, you know, uh, we could say the same thing about you and I is that God is, and we 100% we would believe this.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: God is glorified in us a living according to design.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, right, we're giving glory to God, God is glorified through you know, Anthony following the design, the purposes, and the plans of God on his life.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: The the the challenge is is that we when we do what we don't we have a hard time, we have a hard time seeing ourselves.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like if I'm just what are the things that are interested in me?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like I want to tear things apart, see how they work.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: I can't, I I have to see myself as when I take the cover off something, right?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: I lift the hood on the engine.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: If I take the cover off on something, that's actually God being glorified.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm living according to how God made me.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: So so but the complicated here is just the dual reality that we've also, because humanity is unique, uh, according to the the word of God, is that we've in been invited into relationship with God.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: So we've we've got this these two these uh these two realities at work.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: There's the the wiring and then there's the relationship.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so so I would say that God is most glorified when we are in like when we fight for the middle of that.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I haven't heard like I've been talking, I've been praying, I've been asking, I've been seeking.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't necessarily heard anything, trusting that God knows how to talk to me.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what do I do in the meantime?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: I put one foot in front of the other and operate according to my wiring.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: So so it's like, it's like, you know, you know what I'm saying?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so we don't get, we don't fall into one ditch or the other, but we still like you know, I was, you know, people are created to write, you know, interested in language, uh, interested in creativity, art, right?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Those, those kinds of things.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: All plenty of plenty.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: So it's really to me, it's like how we live according to, and again, giving glory to God, right?
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: And because a lot of times, because I'm I'm just be to be truthful, a lot of times we can feel like we're not, unless we're consciously giving glory to God, whether it's on in a church service or uh, you know, or some other in a in a time of prayer, you know, in our prayer closet, we like we don't necessarily feel or believe like we're glorifying God.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's right.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: But the reality is it's the glory, like God being glorified through any one of us is simply just it's way bigger than we think it is.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a con, it's not necessarily even a conscious thing.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's right, it's it is like by by imaging God, by being his image, yeah, we are glorifying him.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like hey, like God in a sense, um, God in a sense glorifying us, in a sense, is the way God would glorify a bird, yeah, means that bird has something to say about who God is.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's a that bird doing what a bird's designed to do actually brings glory to God.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's doing the thing, like, yeah, yeah.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so we I've all I've always been sort of captured with with this out of Second Corinthians 5.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um for Christ's love compels us because we are convinced that one died for all and therefore all died, and he died for all, meaning Jesus, yeah, that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised again.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: So to know that that God's purpose in salvation is that we would no longer live for ourselves, right?
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: But live for him, right?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like it's that's an awakening.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like we are designed to live for God.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: And to me, so so when I when so when I hear that and I impact that and I said, okay, so how do we move translate that into our just what we've been talking about?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like all of a sudden, I'm uh let's call me a mechanic, and all of a sudden, it doesn't mean that I have to stop being a mechanic.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: It just means the reason why I'm a mechanic has changed.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Even though, yeah, uh, even though me being a me being a mechanic gives glory to God because he's wired me to care about how stuff works.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yet there's a motivation and a heart behind like, so now I'm not just a mechanic, I'm a mechanic with the Lord.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: On mission.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: On mission.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I may be, I may continue to grow in being a mechanic, but now with a surrendered heart, I'm now not like my motivations for being a mechanic suddenly become different.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know, let's just say I uh I want to make a million dollars, right?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: Now something, now I've I my perspective and my heart motivations change to say, okay, God, how can I glorify you through a mechanic?
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: Introducing the conversational part of with God and allowing him to speak into inform.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's not now that's not to say you'll never have a million dollars if you're a mechanic, but what it does do is that you suddenly the the motivations of your heart change.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: So now it's like, how does the kingdom of God uh, how does my mechanicness become ground for the expansion of the kingdom of God?
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: And that's to me, that's that's what that's what yeah, you know, Paul is saying there.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like how does how how do I contribute to God's kingdom coming on earth as it is in heaven?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, given the fact that I've wired this way and I'm a really good mechanic.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, totally.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: And all of that is part of God's great purpose, which is his kingdom coming on earth as it is in heaven.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, how like I've got a different that my purpose is bigger than it was before.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not just here to be myself.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm here to to see how that fits in God's God's design.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I I really, I really love that.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: So great to hear how it's going, Anthony.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: But that's that's really good though, because I think people I think people tend to uh tend to get that uh get the idea um that that to glorify God is to be shining like a light bulb.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: That there would be something, some aura.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: They gotta stand on a they gotta stand on a platform somewhere and they have to do a thing.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that you're yeah, yeah.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of realizing, I've heard it said this way, which I really enjoy, is God loves seeing what what it looks like when He's glorified through your life.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah like the uniqueness of who I am.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, God enjoys watching.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, let's see what's see what's gonna happen as my glory resides in this in this man named Dan Lamus.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see, let's see what that's gonna be.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Snowflake that you are of the glory of God.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like what and he and he actually enjoys watching that.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like so, because there was something that I wonder about, and I it's just really a wondering at this point, that as a person who as people who live by faith in Christ Jesus, I think that might include in my most ordinary, mundane, perhaps even distasteful stuff that I don't feel like doing.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, does my faith in God glorifying himself through me, does it impact that?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think it does.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think it I think it shows the humility of God that that my doing that stuff with joy by faith, paying my bills, uh, you know, go running that errand, going, no offense, all my dentist friends, going to the dentist, you know?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's like like these mundane things don't step outside of what it means to be glorified in Christ Jesus and to and to participate in his glory.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um and that that brings purpose to our life.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's joy in there, there's uh, I don't know what what the word is, but there's energy, power, uh fulfillment that we miss out on sometimes to say there's the human stuff I do, and then there's the stuff that I do to glorify God.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: And instead of realizing it is a combo.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's uh because I think I I was contemplating this a little bit this morning of what happens to a man or a woman once they find out God has special interest in the way they're wired and what they do, and how that can be a weird head trip for for people.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but God doesn't really want it to be.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: God wants us to wants it to be that combo of I want you to walk humbly honoring the fact that you don't belong to yourself.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like walk humbly in that.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Don't expect every day to be fireworks, but do honor the fact that you are this being who's living for my glory and take joy in that, um that that that really is um that's the contentedness of okay, how do I face trouble in my life?
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, part of the way that that we face it is remembering that we are God's image.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's remembering that the humility of life on earth is being in those mundane times and maybe even hard times for the glory of God.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: What do people see when they look at me in the middle of me going through a hard time?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that matters.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: It matters that God, God may actually impact a person's life greater when I'm going through a hard time.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: When they look at me than if I'm experiencing success.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it gives me grace toward toward other people going through hard things.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of judging them, I can I can actually be present with them, recognizing that they're still made in God's image, even though they're messing up right now, even though they've made a mess of things, they've disobeyed God, they've maybe even set their heart against God.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can stay with them knowing this person is still created in the image of God to glorify God, and my presence with them means God is also somehow involved here.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like I can they're feeling in me, like you're not walking away from me as a God person.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: And there and there's something, again, there's something in all of this to me that it goes right back to you know Genesis 2, right?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's really the you know, the the the mandate of fill the earth and subdue it.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, right.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: There is a there is so again, like right, right there, God basically gives in that those few verses there, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: Those are the marching orders of humanity.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: Still, still, yes, right, absolutely, right.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: And again, like you that you could say that's an all of whatever human con conquest is, you know, in science, technology, art, all that stuff.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's right, the the the compulsion to want to be the best or whatever, just the the competitiveness, all that stuff.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's really under this overarching of these this mandate that's seemingly hardwired into us, right?
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: To fill the earth and subdue it.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so to me, to me, it's like so, in in very, in a very true sense, now obviously you can take that and move it and point it in redemptive purposes or not.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: And there's there's a bunch of nuance and layers to that.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not even in even in the simplicity of the directive, the expression and the flushing out of it could be constructive or destructive.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's there regardless, but it's there regardless.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: And so, and so we could operate, you know, in that mandate in an you know, in an in an unsanctified way or uh uh in a in a way that's outside of that relationship and that conversation with God, and then produce something that's destructive.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: But that again, that mandate is still there.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, so there is so so there is a way in which humanity, there, there is a way in which humanity by simply living out that mandate is glorifying God.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: That there is God is glorified through his creation doing that.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's design.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: Humanity was designed to, because God obviously God wouldn't have said do those things if may if humanity could never have done those things.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I think I think that's the I think it's the I think what I would like for people to hear out of this conversation is, or at least get from this, is that they would all that people would allow them their imagination to expand.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe if you're listening to this, you've been in living in one ditch or the other.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: If you're listening to the Hearing God podcast, maybe you've been living in that ditch of like waiting on God for a word and then letting that it would seem to me that would be the ditch, right?
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you know not so people who are not either not prophetic or know it's not exist, they kind of like they may not even listen to this podcast.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: So so I'm going to I'm going to go out go out on a limb here and say the vast majority of us and again like me included right so we we've maybe allowed the lack of hearing something from God to allow us to to stall right yes.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: And again even in that statement there's nuance because we should wait on the Lord.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: We should be spending time with the Lord um inquiring of the Lord.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: We've certainly talked about that.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: But I still have to I still I'm still have to operate out of how God made me.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so so so the so then it's just really the so back to what I would hope people would hear out of just expanding understanding of what it means to give God glory.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that there is no, you know someone said this this is a this is not my original thought.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: Someone said that there is no secular sacred divide.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: There isn't right and I would very much ascribe to that believe that.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um in terms of what we do and just living your life and calling and purpose those kinds of things.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: So so really it comes down to is like my prayer is that God would allow our hearts to expand and that actually we would actually um maybe someone's hearing this and you've been waiting on God and you haven't been hearing anything and God's waiting on you say right do the thing do the thing move your body and your energy towards the thing the last thing that I told you.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: Move do something about the last thing and then maybe there's there's further instruction down the road probably there is.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like okay so get so necessarily get off the the sidelines because the enemy again whatever the enemy can do to keep you on the sideline right he will he'll love that person.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes and he'll maybe even encourage a little bit that person sitting on the sideline to say oh I'll just wait a little bit longer.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: And God and God in his mercy and kindness will intervene.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just I believe that there's a something about that.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: God in his kindness will say okay come on get off the bench yeah right but but I think it's just like so let's just expand our understanding of what it means to glorify God and what it means for you or me as a as a living breathing human being created as an image bearer of God actually glorifying God.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't always have to be conscious it can be and is plenty of times but it's also this realm of like I'm just going to operate how God made me.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that that is almost just implicitly or intrinsically giving God glory.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I just I guess yeah that's a that's just yeah go well maybe you could maybe you could pray for us yeah absolutely in that so as a as a reference I'd like to just suggest to people if this conversation intrigues you I'd encourage you to go to I believe it's John chapter 20 where Jesus reinstates Peter.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Is that John chapter 20?
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think so and think and sit with the reality in that scripture that Jesus doesn't ever really say to Peter when Peter you know confesses and and is looking for restoration Jesus never really says to him it's okay Peter I forgive you right he never really says it's okay whatever Jesus' response to Peter is let's go.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: His response is like I've called you Peter.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah do you love me?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then and obviously this is like this is Peter was wired to be a fisherman.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah right yeah and he was a fisherman up to that point in his life and then Jesus comes in this is our part where the where Jesus comes into our life and calls us to something else.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: I get that you're fishing.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_02: I get that you're fishing and I've called you to do something else.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: So then obviously then it comes down to do you love me?
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: Do the thing do the thing that I've called you to do.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well let's go.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: Which I would say like again that that's a throwback to you know things that we've said like God's love language is obedience.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well do you love me?
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Keep my commandments.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: Do you love me?
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: Do what I've called you to do feed my sheep feed my lambs right so and so there's so there's something very healing re remedial whatever the word is yeah that you're healing your per like your togetherness that you feel when you know you're living in union with Christ oftentimes it does come by doing the thing that Jesus is saying let's go.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like let's go.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well and the other I I think this is encouraging to people because I know it's encouraging to me at times is that if I'm down sort of kind of like putting one foot in front of the other and it's been like if I've heard if it's been a while since I've heard a directional word from God.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: If it's been if it's been a while since I've really felt like I've heard God say go and do this right um then it encourages me to know that even still right I can talk to God plenty and I can hear his word I can read be in the word I can be in prayer I can know the presence of God right and I can still glory like I just let let myself enjoy the fact that I'm giving glory in putting one foot in front of the other.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yes that's right and rather than rather than you know just feeling disappointed that I haven't heard God say you know go and do this thing.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: So whatever I am doing he wants to glorify himself in it.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely and he will and he is and he's continuously what like whether we're we're necessarily conscious of or not.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah so yeah like so I think that that's a I mean how did we get here but we are I know but we enjoyed we we enjoyed this conversation everybody hope you did too.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: I and these are like and some of these things I probably have never said out loud before.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: So it's fun to hear it's fun for me to hear you talk about that because I have really over the years really appreciated and noticed amongst my friends who move prophetically you in a unique way seem to really be looking for okay so what does this mean we're going to do like it's like a this is beautiful love what God's saying so what are our next steps?
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I've been like oh yeah I always have to talk about but but it but it's it's contribute the contribution it brings to my life and to the body is a real blessing.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah love it.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: All right so let's pray Lord we just uh Father we just come before you just first of all just want to honor you um rightly as the creator as the one who is sovereign Lord over all God in this moment Lord I pray for whoever's listening Lord to Lord that there would be an expansion of their understanding and their paradigm about what it means to give God glory.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: Lord and so we say God that you are glorified in in creation according to your word you are glorified in creation living as designed yes and so Lord uh let that word sink deep into our hearts even as it means our own lives and us living day to day and fulfilling our calling and our purpose.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_02: Lord would you help I I pray God that you would pull us anyway out of ditches Lord that you'd wake us up to something that we're not seeing right now.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: We pray for grace to not walk in either ditch Lord we say you've you've invited us into relationship and you've wired us Lord for interests and skills and those kinds of things God and so Lord I thank you Lord I thank you Lord for your word I thank you for your presence I thank you Lord that that you're the one who orders our steps Lord and so we receive your counsel your direction your encouragement Lord but we just thank you God I thank you Lord that you are glorified in us.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes that it's your desire to be glorified in us Lord so I just pray for grace Lord and so Lord I pray I we just I just break off lies and fear and uh self-criticism and harsh self-talk in the name of Jesus Lord because it's all rooted in fear Lord and so we break the power of fear over anyone listening in the name of Jesus.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_02: God thank you for your plans and your purposes Lord thank you that you're so good Lord and that you're able to redeem anything.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_02: Lord and so we bless you we bless your name in Jesus' name amen.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: Amen well that's a wrap on this episode it's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest as we all learn to hear God better.
• 54:58
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• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: Until next time