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Bonus Episode - Preserving Rock n' Roll, Solo Beatles, and Remembering John Lennon · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about this week's subject of the Disgraceland full episode, John
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Speaker 1: Lennon in his early seventies politics. We are also talking
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Speaker 1: about rock and roll animalism in the true spirit not
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Speaker 1: of Christmas, but of rock and roll. And of course
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Speaker 1: we are diving into your voicemails, text and more, and
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Speaker 1: as always, a whole lot of rosie. All right, disc goes,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it, all right, what's up, disc goes.
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Speaker 1: I hope you had a beautiful Thanksgiving with your families.
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Speaker 1: I did. I got the chill. I got to do
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Speaker 1: a little work as well. I had some time to
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Speaker 1: start this poster project that I've been noodling on. I've
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Speaker 1: been talking to different designers about designing a new Disgraceland poster.
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Speaker 1: It's not fully thought out of my head, but it's
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Speaker 1: basically the literal manifestation of Disgraceland, you know, as a place.
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Speaker 1: It's an image that is filled with vice, grime, crime,
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Speaker 1: and of course rock and roll. And in my head
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Speaker 1: as I'm trying to picture this so that I can
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Speaker 1: articulate it to these designers that I'm talking to who
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Speaker 1: will ultimately create it, who have the real talent, as
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Speaker 1: I'm picturing it, you know, through all this death and destruction,
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Speaker 1: there's a path, almost like Shoots and Ladders, like a
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Speaker 1: shoots and Ladders type of path, or like some sort
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Speaker 1: of board game. There's like a winding path, and the
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Speaker 1: path as a beginning and an end. And in my
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Speaker 1: head I was having a hard time figuring out what
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Speaker 1: the path was for at first, why I kept going
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Speaker 1: back to it in my mind, I was like, there
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Speaker 1: has to be this path, you know, I don't know why,
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Speaker 1: It's just something I'm thinking about. And then it hit
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Speaker 1: me because it's obvious. The path is the hero's journey,
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Speaker 1: the hero from our stories and what's at the end
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Speaker 1: of the path. That also became obvious to me because
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Speaker 1: in most cases in our stories, what's at the end
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Speaker 1: of the path is redemption. That's what happens to most
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Speaker 1: of the subjects that we discussed and disgraceland in most cases,
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Speaker 1: despite the awful horrible things that these musicians and entertainers do,
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Speaker 1: and despite the awful horrible things that happened to them,
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Speaker 1: at the end of the line, even if there's death,
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Speaker 1: there's usually redemption. And that's a powerful thing. It's a
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Speaker 1: powerful thing in storytelling, it's a powerful thing in life itself.
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Speaker 1: It's what makes these human stories that we tell so dramatic,
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Speaker 1: I think, and so resonant. And I bring this all
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Speaker 1: up because in this week's John Lennon episode, or I
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Speaker 1: should say, in this week's John Lennon episodes, because we've
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Speaker 1: got a couple rewinds coming your way as well. This
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Speaker 1: theme of redemption is certainly the case the episode on
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Speaker 1: John's political efforts from the early seventies. In the end,
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Speaker 1: John's a shell of himself, but he's closer to redemption.
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Speaker 1: And spoiler alert. Even though John Lennon dies by the
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Speaker 1: end of the nineteen seventies, by the end of nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty December eighth. In fact, by that date, John Lennon
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Speaker 1: is most certainly redeemed. He becomes what he was supposed
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Speaker 1: to become all along, which is a family man, a
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Speaker 1: family man who is expressing his love for his family
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Speaker 1: in his art. Personally and creatively. He's at peace with
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Speaker 1: himself finally. Now. Of course, John Lennon has always been
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Speaker 1: completely authentic, almost to a fault. He always expressed his
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Speaker 1: love of family, his love of Yoko in some ways
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Speaker 1: before the end of these seventies, his love of Sean
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Speaker 1: and Julian and his mother. But by the end of
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Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies he's really got it all clicking creatively.
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Speaker 1: Double Fantasy is an incredible record, and it's the realization
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Speaker 1: of John Lennon, I think, redeeming himself personally and creatively.
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Speaker 1: He's finally at peace with himself finally. These stories, as
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Speaker 1: dramatic and entertaining as they are, they're also cautionary tales
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Speaker 1: for me. They are anyways. They're big, glaring, blinking lights
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Speaker 1: warning us of what can happen if we let the
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Speaker 1: things in our lives that are important, if we let
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Speaker 1: our priorities slip, if we give into our base nature
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Speaker 1: to the darkness and ignore the light inside of all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden is propelling us, propelling us forward, propelling
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Speaker 1: us on our path. That's what I get out of
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Speaker 1: these stories when I'm researching them and i'm writing them. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: and I know you guys do as well, because I
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Speaker 1: hear it from you. But these stories, they're fading. We've
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Speaker 1: established here pretty much anyway. I think we've established that
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Speaker 1: rock and roll is dead? Where are the modern day
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Speaker 1: John Lennon's Where are the modern day Martin Scorsesees, for
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Speaker 1: that matter, the subject of last week's episode The Last Waltz.
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Speaker 1: Scorsese literally tried pushing himself toward death in service of
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Speaker 1: his art. That's what that whole episode was about. John
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Speaker 1: Lennon risk deportation to support the political causes that he
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Speaker 1: believed in and relevant to today. Anyways, John Lennon spent
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Speaker 1: a lot of money on the political causes that he supported,
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Speaker 1: which is a lot different than what we see celebrities
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Speaker 1: doing now. I don't want to retread in that water.
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Speaker 1: But anyways, both these guys, my point, Both these guys
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Speaker 1: when they were doing this were at the vanguard of
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Speaker 1: popular culture at the time. They weren't fringe artists Martin
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Speaker 1: Scorsese and John Lennon in the nineteen seventies. They were
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Speaker 1: making chart topping music and films and living like the
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Speaker 1: rock stars that they were born to be. And where
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Speaker 1: are the rock stars and the rock star artists and
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Speaker 1: entertainers who live in the wildest and freest ways imaginable?
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Speaker 1: Where are they today? Where are the wild, feral, true
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Speaker 1: rock and roll animals struggling to fit themselves into functioning
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Speaker 1: society while they create, who are always striving, always pushing
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Speaker 1: themselves to make the best art possible and ultimately be
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Speaker 1: the best versions of themselves possible. Where are they now?
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, Post Malone, Shaboozie, Kendrick Lamaro offense to any
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Speaker 1: of these artists, But by comparison to the musicians and
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Speaker 1: entertainers that we cover here in Disgraceland, most modern artists
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Speaker 1: live safe, normal lives. By comparison, I suppose we can
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Speaker 1: look at the insanity of hip hop, of modern hip hop.
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Speaker 1: I should say we could look at the modern hip
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Speaker 1: hop's connection to crime. But that behavior is so unoriginal
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Speaker 1: and predictable by now that it seems to me to
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Speaker 1: almost be like an act like a rite of passage.
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Speaker 1: The real ones do what they have to do on
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Speaker 1: the street level up and leave the street bullshit behind,
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Speaker 1: and that at least is interesting to me. See fifty cent,
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Speaker 1: for example, and Fiddy is an exactly modern hip hop
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Speaker 1: and Sean Combs's behavior notwithstanding this guy Diddy, He's an outlier.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure there's gonna be any redemption for Diddy.
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Speaker 1: If there is, it's gonna be a hell of a story. Anyways.
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Speaker 1: I think what I'm saying is this, in some weird way,
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Speaker 1: these John Lennon episodes in this poster that I'm designing
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Speaker 1: have caused me to realize something about Disgraceland that I
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Speaker 1: guess I always knew, but that I never articulated. With Disgraceland,
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Speaker 1: we're preserving rock and roll. Not in an academic way.
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Speaker 1: We're preserving rock and roll lore. Okay, rock and roll
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Speaker 1: is dead. It's dead on the charts, it's dead on
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Speaker 1: the airwaves, it's dead as a cultural force. Today's pop up,
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Speaker 1: today's country. By the way, what's the difference today's hip hop?
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Speaker 1: The genre doesn't really matter. It's all really just safe,
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Speaker 1: corporatized music for the masses. I'm not trying to be cynical.
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Speaker 1: I'm not, but that's what it is. It doesn't move
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Speaker 1: me in any way, hardly at all. It's corporatized music
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Speaker 1: for the masses. It's sad, but corporate America is what's
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Speaker 1: propelling us culturally. I can't believe I'm saying that, but
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Speaker 1: it's the truth. There's nothing subversive about any of it.
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Speaker 1: There's nothing compelling about any of it, and that's what's sad.
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Speaker 1: We don't need subversion for the sake of subversion. But
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Speaker 1: the beauty of subversive art is that it's compelling, and
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Speaker 1: it forces us to think, and it forces us to create.
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Speaker 1: As a culture, I don't see any of that right now.
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Speaker 1: The rock and roll animal does not exist in popular
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Speaker 1: culture as it once did, and I don't think it
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Speaker 1: ever will again. Where did you go, Jim Morrison? Our
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Speaker 1: nation turns its lonely eyes to you and Toto, Jimmy
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Speaker 1: Page and to David Bowie, into John Lennon and Iggy
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Speaker 1: Pop and Kurt Cobaine, and the list goes on and
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Speaker 1: on and on, but it stops somewhere around the mid
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Speaker 1: two thousands. So as I look at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, And as I look at the two
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Speaker 1: hundred and nine Disgraceland stories and counting that we have
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Speaker 1: in our archive, stories of real rock and roll spirit,
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Speaker 1: of real rock and roll animalism and redemption from both
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Speaker 1: literal rock stars and artists and actors and athletes who
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Speaker 1: behaved in rock and roll ways, what I'm realizing is
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Speaker 1: that we are quite literally creating a space where rock
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Speaker 1: and roll doesn't have to be dead, where rock and
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Speaker 1: roll lives at least through storytelling. And yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on, country, hip hop, classic country, classic hip hop,
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Speaker 1: classic jazz. You know what I'm saying, rock and roll spirit. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking strictly about you know, five guys in
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Speaker 1: a band with guitars. Again, what I'm realizing is that
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Speaker 1: we are quite literally creating a space where rock and
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Speaker 1: roll doesn't have to be dead. And I'm using the
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Speaker 1: word we instead of I intentionally dis goes listen. We
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Speaker 1: are preserving rock and roll. It's not just me, it's
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Speaker 1: you guys as well. Some of my favorite emails that
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Speaker 1: I get from you guys are the ones where you
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Speaker 1: tell me about listening to Disgraceland with your family and friends,
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Speaker 1: or the ones that tell me that you listen to
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Speaker 1: the episode so that you can tell your brother or
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Speaker 1: your sister, or boyfriend or girlfriend or husband or wife
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Speaker 1: about the story that I just told you. This is
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Speaker 1: exactly what I did as a kid. I would read
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Speaker 1: Rolling Stone or some nictotious book or some fanzine that
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Speaker 1: I sent away for, or annoy the shit out of
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Speaker 1: my dad and his bandmates until they told me the
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Speaker 1: stories that I was looking to hear, and then I
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Speaker 1: would hang out with my friends and tell them these
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Speaker 1: wild stories myself. Starting Disgraceland was just formalizing that process,
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Speaker 1: adding some bells and whistles with sound and story structure,
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Speaker 1: and spreading the word widely to you guys beyond my
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Speaker 1: friend group. And you guys are spreading these stories beyond
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Speaker 1: my reach through the listening with your family and friends,
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Speaker 1: like I said, through the sharing of these stories on
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Speaker 1: social through the reviews. So we quite literally are preserving
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Speaker 1: rock and roll here in Disgraceland. That's what is occurring
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Speaker 1: to me here six years into this podcast. It's pretty incredible.
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Speaker 1: I talked about the word we, because, like I said,
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Speaker 1: we're in this together. I should also talk about the
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Speaker 1: word preserve. Preserve. When thinking about this, in my head,
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Speaker 1: I went to that song God Save rock and Roll
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Speaker 1: by Kid Rock and No Shade It on rob But
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Speaker 1: saving rock and roll. Saving rock and roll isn't what
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Speaker 1: this is about. There is no saving rock and roll.
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Speaker 1: It's gone. But we can preserve it. We can pass
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Speaker 1: on these incredible stories of what once was and what
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Speaker 1: likely will never be again. It's not a secret, but
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Speaker 1: it kind of is. When we tell these stories, people
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Speaker 1: look at us in disbelief. Did you know John Lennon
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Speaker 1: signed over the royalties from one of his songs to
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Speaker 1: the IRA? No shit, Seriously, it happened. I heard it
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Speaker 1: on Disgraceland. These unbelievable stories of rock and roll, animalism
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Speaker 1: and redemption are worth preserving for that alone, but also because,
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Speaker 1: like I said at the top, they're not just entertaining.
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Speaker 1: They're cautionary tales. And there's stories that bind us, stories
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Speaker 1: that have formed us. Because we're all rock and roll
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Speaker 1: in our hearts. These are stories that are preserving a
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Speaker 1: little bit of who we are. That's how I'm seeing it. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: I don't know it's that time of year, or I
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Speaker 1: don't know what's going on Christmas. As you can see
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Speaker 1: has got me in a reflective mood. Maybe it's because
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Speaker 1: we're coming up on the end of the year and
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Speaker 1: that's just my nature. I'm grateful to be here with
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Speaker 1: you guys in this space. I'm grateful you're here with me,
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Speaker 1: and I'm stoked about the holidays. We've got an incredible
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Speaker 1: episode coming up next week on Shae McGown from the Pogues.
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Speaker 1: Talk about a rock and roll animal, talk about a
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Speaker 1: rock and roll spirit. Shame of Gown embodies it as
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Speaker 1: much as anyone before or Since this is a Christmas episode,
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Speaker 1: it's one of a few that we have coming your
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Speaker 1: way in December. And you know, Shane co wrote one
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Speaker 1: of my favorite Christmas songs, fairy Tale of New York.
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Speaker 1: So when you're listening to this seam Acgown episode, be
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Speaker 1: thinking of your favorite Christmas song and be sure to
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Speaker 1: hit me up and let me know what it is,
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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna want to know so that I can
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Speaker 1: put it on my disco holiday mix and then I
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Speaker 1: can share it with you. Get your favorite Christmas songs
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Speaker 1: to me, all right, Try to keep it to one,
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Speaker 1: and I want to know why, because then I can
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Speaker 1: talk about it here. We can come back next week
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Speaker 1: in the after party. We can talk about it and
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Speaker 1: it'll be fun. Okay, that's what the holidays are all about.
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Speaker 1: So what is it about the holiday song that makes
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Speaker 1: you love it? Let me know, Let me know what
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Speaker 1: the song is. Get in touch. I'll play your voicemails.
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Speaker 1: I'll read your text and your DMS right here in
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Speaker 1: this space, and like I said, I'll get a mix
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Speaker 1: together that we can share and vibe on for the holidays.
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Speaker 1: Know one that we put it together all, you know,
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Speaker 1: we all contributed to it. I think that's pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight
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Speaker 1: voicemail and text at Disgrace lampod on the socials. Okay, though,
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Speaker 1: before seam McGown for the rewind episodes this weekend, this
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Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday, we're rewinding the first two John Linon
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Speaker 1: episode we ever released, which chronologically take place after this
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Speaker 1: Lenin episode that we just released yesterday. So you're getting
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Speaker 1: a full picture of John Lennon in the seventies and
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Speaker 1: you're getting it chronologically. These are being released because, of course,
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Speaker 1: this weekend is the anniversary of John's death December eighth,
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Speaker 1: and both these episodes deal with the assassination of Lenin
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Speaker 1: at the deranged hand of Mark David Chapman. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: be sure to check those out, even if you've already
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Speaker 1: heard them. I guarantee you'll hear them with fresh ears
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Speaker 1: this time. They're so packed with information you're gonna get
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Speaker 1: more out of it on repeat listening. And I don't know,
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Speaker 1: John Lennon just forever reminds me of Christmas, probably because
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Speaker 1: he died during this time when I was a little kid,
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Speaker 1: and it's just singed in my brain. Fun fact about
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Speaker 1: these next two Lenin episodes, though, when I wrote them,
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Speaker 1: I was totally in a flow state, head down, just
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Speaker 1: blast furnacing words out of the old brain hole. And
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Speaker 1: when I finished and I looked up, I did a
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Speaker 1: word count and I was like, holy fuck, what have
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Speaker 1: I done? It was so long what I had written,
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Speaker 1: and it occurred to me, Hey, dummy, just make it
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Speaker 1: a two part episode. So that's what I did. In
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Speaker 1: the first two part Disgraceland episode was born Anyway, that's
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Speaker 1: coming your way next in the feed, and as a reminder,
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Speaker 1: if you happen to be listening to this bonus episode
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Speaker 1: way off in the future, not during its original time
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Speaker 1: of release. And there's a good chance that those lenon
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Speaker 1: Rewind episodes that I was just talking about have shifted
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Speaker 1: back into the feed to the time of their original release.
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Speaker 1: So if you're having trouble finding them, we have preserved
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Speaker 1: all of our episodes by their original release dates and
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Speaker 1: by season on our website disgracelandpod dot com. See what
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Speaker 1: I did there, We have preserved Okay, back in the
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Speaker 1: flash with your voicemails, your texts, your your dms on
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Speaker 1: which Beatle had the greatest solo careers? Was it John?
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Speaker 1: Was it George? Was it Paul? Come on, it was
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Speaker 1: a ringo. Anyways, we're gonna find out. Talk to you
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Speaker 1: a few all right, guys, we are back. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: being here with me. I want to hip you to
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Speaker 1: something we have going on in December here, December twelfth,
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Speaker 1: that's next week. We've got a special what's called a
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Speaker 1: drop happening on our Patreon. In our Patreon, I should say,
16:36
Speaker 1: if you remember, we were going to do this digital
16:39
Speaker 1: live event a couple weeks ago, but the hurricane happened.
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Speaker 1: This is actually last month, two months ago. The hurricane
16:45
Speaker 1: happened and we weren't able to pull it off. So
16:47
Speaker 1: what we're doing is we created this documentary as part
16:52
Speaker 1: of that event that we were going to host live digitally.
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Speaker 1: We don't have a home for it now, so rather
16:59
Speaker 1: than ResQue with the whole event, it's the holidays, it's
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Speaker 1: a weird time, it's you know, everybody's busy right now.
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Speaker 1: We're just going to put the doc in the Patreon
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Speaker 1: and if you're a Patreon member, this is going to
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Speaker 1: drop on December twelfth at eight pm Eastern Standard time.
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Speaker 1: I will be in there when this drops. I'll be
17:19
Speaker 1: in the chat. We can talk about it. We can
17:21
Speaker 1: talk about the movie as we're watching it. It's it's short,
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Speaker 1: and believe me, I'm putting air quotes around documentary. I'm
17:27
Speaker 1: not a documentary filmmaker. But it's basically a visual version
17:31
Speaker 1: of a Disgrace Slam podcast on Tom DeLong from Blank
17:36
Speaker 1: twin eighty two and UFO UAP Disclosure. It's just imagine
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Speaker 1: a visual version of the Disgrace Lam podcast and we're
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Speaker 1: going to watch it at the same time together and
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Speaker 1: we can geek out on it. We can be vis
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Speaker 1: and butt head it. We can we I'll be in
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Speaker 1: the chat. This is happening December twelfth at eight pm
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Speaker 1: Eastern Standard time. The doc is called We Are Not Alone.
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Speaker 1: Music won't save us, but Tom DeLong might And I'm
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Speaker 1: excited for you guys to check this out. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: I will be in there with my popcorn and my
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Speaker 1: bourbon watching this take place. I hope you join me again.
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Speaker 1: That's December twelfth, eight pm Eastern time. You got to
18:12
Speaker 1: be a Patreon member, but you can be a free member.
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Speaker 1: It will be available for free members and for paid
18:16
Speaker 1: members as well, So if you have not yet signed
18:18
Speaker 1: up for our Patreon, this is a great reason to
18:21
Speaker 1: go to disgrace lampod dot com slash membership. You can
18:24
Speaker 1: sign up there and once it's over, it will remain
18:30
Speaker 1: there for paid Patreon members, but free members. You only
18:35
Speaker 1: get this one chance to watch it, and that's that's
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Speaker 1: when it drops live on Live Ish on December twelfth
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Speaker 1: at eight pm. So join me. Okay, they'll be future reminders,
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Speaker 1: but mark your calendar now December twelfth, eight pm in
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Speaker 1: the Patreon chat. I'll see you there, all right. Listen,
18:53
Speaker 1: you guys don't want to stop talking about JFK and
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Speaker 1: that's awesome. The rabbit is getting deeper and deeper and deeper.
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Speaker 1: Every voicemail that I've received in the last week has
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Speaker 1: been about JFK. Not everyone, but most of them. And
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Speaker 1: we received not a one voicemail on who your favorite
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Speaker 1: Beatle is, but we did receive a ton of incoming
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Speaker 1: dms on the Beatle topic, and I'm going to read
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Speaker 1: some of those now. I'm also going to remind you
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Speaker 1: guys to go to our Instagram at Disgrace and Pod
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Speaker 1: and check out the recent the conversation that's developed around
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Speaker 1: the recent John Lennon reel that we dropped this past
19:36
Speaker 1: Tuesday to coincide with the episode release. It is wild.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to really, I'm not going to read
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Speaker 1: those comments, but you can dive in there. People are
19:43
Speaker 1: pretty worked up over it. We got more lending content
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Speaker 1: coming about the end of the week. But let's get
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Speaker 1: to the question of which Beetle had the greatest solo career.
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Speaker 1: All right, dumb Rolling Stone on Instagram. If you're not
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Speaker 1: following dumb Rolling Stone you should be. I think it's
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Speaker 1: at e F and Good Music. He posts good content
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Speaker 1: on there. I like this kid a lot. He's always
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Speaker 1: got something thoughtful to say. He says here on the
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Speaker 1: question of which Beatle, he writes John's inner life and
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Speaker 1: emotional art can be summarized in three songs, Run for
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Speaker 1: Your Life, Jealous Guy, and Woman. And I think that's
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Speaker 1: I bring this up not because dumb rolling Stone is
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Speaker 1: sitting here going like yo, John's John's my favorite solo
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Speaker 1: Beatle artist, but because I really like the framing and
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Speaker 1: I like what it says about my choice here. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so run for your Life. You've got lenin In in
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Speaker 1: his Beatles Beatles Days talking about abusing a woman. Really,
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Speaker 1: I mean really, it's that's what it is. Jealous Guy,
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Speaker 1: which is the sort of emotional turmoil of the Lost
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Speaker 1: Weekend era lenin In the in the early to mid seventies.
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Speaker 1: And then Woman, which is his love for Yoko, which
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Speaker 1: is an imperfect love, of course, which is in part
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Speaker 1: what makes it so damn compelling and keeps us glued
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Speaker 1: to it now some almost fifty years later. And I
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Speaker 1: say this because if you asked me the question of
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Speaker 1: which Beatle had created my favorite body of solo work,
21:20
Speaker 1: if you asked me this question last year, I probably
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Speaker 1: would have said George. In fact, I think we did
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Speaker 1: talk about this in the after party last year, I
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Speaker 1: probably would have said George. If you asked me five
21:31
Speaker 1: years prior to that, I definitely would have said Paul.
21:34
Speaker 1: For my wife's thirtieth birthday, I hired a band, my
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Speaker 1: friend Korn's band, and I paid them to learn and
21:42
Speaker 1: play Paul McCartney's Ram album from start to finish at
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Speaker 1: my wife's thirtieth birthday party. And it was pretty damn awesome.
21:51
Speaker 1: But that speaks to the level of my Paul McCartney's
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Speaker 1: solo love and hers, I should say more than mine.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I love Paul solo and was obsessed with
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Speaker 1: Paul solo and wings about five ten years ago. And
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Speaker 1: prior to that, I'm not embarrassed to say I had
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Speaker 1: a solo ringo phase. And prior to that, of course,
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Speaker 1: it was John. And now I'm right back with John. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how it happened, but it happened. And
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Speaker 1: I think I vibe on John's solo work more than
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Speaker 1: I vibe on any of the other Beatles. And you know,
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Speaker 1: thumb rolling Stone here, help me figure that out. Okay.
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Speaker 1: At a boy James Underscore on Instagram, rights George, George, George.
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Speaker 1: The only answer is George guys, A lot of George
22:31
Speaker 1: love almost not almost, definitely more George Harrison choices here
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Speaker 1: than anyone else except on X. I did a poll
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Speaker 1: on X and Paul came out in the number one
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Speaker 1: spot with George and second, I believe I need to
22:48
Speaker 1: I'll check that. Let you know, Eddie James on Instagram.
22:50
Speaker 1: Right ten, A good couple members of my family are
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Speaker 1: avid Beetle haters, which is sacrivilege. I know I don't
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Speaker 1: hate them, but I do like to say I do.
22:59
Speaker 1: Just for a little light ribbing on that note, I
23:01
Speaker 1: will say Yellow Submarine is the best song ever written,
23:05
Speaker 1: which you would not believe the look on people's faces
23:08
Speaker 1: when I say that. And then Eddie goes on Eddie's
23:12
Speaker 1: not a Beatles fan, really begrudgingly enjoys a couple songs,
23:16
Speaker 1: but that's it. It likes to troll his family members,
23:18
Speaker 1: who I guess do hate the Beatles. How do you
23:20
Speaker 1: hate the Beatles? Come on, man, come on, Eddie, got
23:24
Speaker 1: to educate your family. Shitter's full, said Eddie. Cynthia Manetola
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Speaker 1: on Instagram. Minetolo mentol am I saying that, right, Cynthia
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Speaker 1: writes in Hey, beautiful, we love John Lennon love for
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Speaker 1: the Beatles and Paul McCartney. And then there's this nice
23:41
Speaker 1: little note here from Cynthia. You know, I live near
23:43
Speaker 1: a nearby a theater in Brooklyn called the Roulette, and
23:46
Speaker 1: Sean Lennon plays here constantly with his friends. I saw
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Speaker 1: him twice this past year, seen him live playing. Seeing
23:52
Speaker 1: him live playing is like looking at John Lennon alive.
23:55
Speaker 1: He looks like John so much it's incredible. I felt
23:58
Speaker 1: I was seeing a ghost, very talented and disturbed man.
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Speaker 1: At times. You can see Yoko played a number on him.
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Speaker 1: He definitely grew up hearing that sound at home. He's
24:06
Speaker 1: weirded out by his mother. Okay, Cynthia, I like the
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Speaker 1: idea that you can just roll down to your local
24:12
Speaker 1: theater and check out as Sean Lennon set. I got
24:15
Speaker 1: a same kind of jealous of that. JT Mangu always
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Speaker 1: good for a good a good DM on Instagram. Rights
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Speaker 1: in John was always my favorite Beatle. There you go,
24:25
Speaker 1: and JT is has hit me to this this book
24:28
Speaker 1: about Elliott Mints, Sorry book by Elliott Mints, John and
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Speaker 1: Yoko's longtime publicist. I believe this just came out like
24:37
Speaker 1: this week and if any of you have read it,
24:39
Speaker 1: let me know. I'm excited to read it and check
24:40
Speaker 1: it out. Jamie Smith on X Rights and George. George
24:43
Speaker 1: is my fave, especially if you can chuck in the
24:46
Speaker 1: Traveling Wilbury's that would be a bonus. I think we're
24:48
Speaker 1: definitely including Traveling Wilberries, just as we're including Wings, and
24:51
Speaker 1: that pushes George pretty high up on the list. But
24:54
Speaker 1: again I go John number one. And just so you know,
24:56
Speaker 1: the ex poll came in Paul number one at thirty
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Speaker 1: nine percent, like I said, George at thirty two percent,
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Speaker 1: John at twenty five, and Ringo down at four. Ringo
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Speaker 1: has a new album coming out, Guys, produced by t
25:09
Speaker 1: Bone Burnett. Again, just lots of George stuff here at
25:13
Speaker 1: Disgrace lampod fun subject who's your favorite Beatles solo career?
25:17
Speaker 1: But let's move on, Okay, let's move on to next
25:20
Speaker 1: week's subject of the week. Let's move past JFK, past
25:23
Speaker 1: that wormhole. You guys have gone further than JFK. Okay,
25:28
Speaker 1: I'm getting flat earth stuff from you, guys. I'm getting
25:31
Speaker 1: from the five to four to zero. I mentioned that
25:33
Speaker 1: because it's right up in front of me here I'm
25:36
Speaker 1: getting the lizard under the Denver Airport or the ice
25:40
Speaker 1: ring at the North Pole that hides all the rest
25:42
Speaker 1: of the world that we don't get to see. Yeah, listen,
25:48
Speaker 1: I'm into the concept that yesterday's conspiracy is today's fact.
25:52
Speaker 1: I think there's truth in that. But I don't think
25:54
Speaker 1: there's truth in a lot of these conspiracies. And I
25:57
Speaker 1: do think there's a line we can draw to talk
25:59
Speaker 1: about this stuff, but I don't want to go too
26:02
Speaker 1: far with it. Okay, I don't want the tinfoil hat,
26:05
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying, all right, Disgrace lampod six one
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Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight for next
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Speaker 1: week's question of the week guys, which is a very
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Speaker 1: simple one. What's your favorite Christmas song? And why? Let
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Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six three eight, or you can
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26:25
Speaker 1: And more importantly, I want this because I want to
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Speaker 1: put together a disco playlist, Okay, Disgrace lamb playlist. Why,
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Speaker 1: because we are preserving the spirit of rock and roll
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Speaker 1: even during the holidays. We aren't taking any time off.
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Speaker 1: Get it at me six one seven nine oh six
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Speaker 1: six six three eight. I'm gonna take a quick break.
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Speaker 1: I'll be back in the flash with your emails and more.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are act disgrace slampod at gmail
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Speaker 1: here from Gemma Layton or lighton, Hi Jake. I always
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Speaker 1: try to be objective when answering this question of best
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Speaker 1: soulo Beatle, and it's something I could debate for hours,
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Speaker 1: but as I've got limited time, I'm just gonna say
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Speaker 1: this in the simplest way. I know how. John Lennon
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Speaker 1: songs just mean more. At least that's what I think.
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Speaker 1: There's more emotion, a message, substance, and purpose. They're not
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Speaker 1: just silly love songs. I think it's a lot easier
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Speaker 1: to write a love song than a protest one. And
27:31
Speaker 1: there's an argument there for George dark Horse indeed, but
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Speaker 1: Lennon gets my vote. I wish I had the time
27:36
Speaker 1: to go deeper, but it'd be like reading an essay.
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Speaker 1: Love the show, keep on keeping on from Gemma. Gemma
27:42
Speaker 1: love the email. Like the structure of it, pretty sound,
27:46
Speaker 1: I like the thesis. I even like the way you
27:51
Speaker 1: laid it out a lot of great spacing in this email.
27:54
Speaker 1: You guys can't see it, but I'm telling you Gemma's email,
27:56
Speaker 1: Che's kiss. You're gonna get a lot of shit here
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Speaker 1: from George listeners, I think. But yeah, I'm with you.
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Speaker 1: I am. I agree, I agree. I love the McCartney stuff,
28:07
Speaker 1: I really do. But you know, the McCartney stuff. The
28:11
Speaker 1: reason I love the McCartney stuff is the weirdness of it.
28:14
Speaker 1: McCartney's a weird motherfucker, even back in the Beatles. I
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Speaker 1: said this before, why don't we do it in the road?
28:21
Speaker 1: That song came on the other day, were driving with
28:22
Speaker 1: our kids and my wife changed the channel, that changed
28:25
Speaker 1: the song, skipped the song, I should say. And I
28:27
Speaker 1: looked at her like, what are you doing? And she
28:29
Speaker 1: just gave me a look like you know, and she's right.
28:33
Speaker 1: I knew we didn't have to say it. I didn't
28:35
Speaker 1: want to explain to my ten year old what Paul
28:37
Speaker 1: McCartney was talking about, what it was that he was
28:40
Speaker 1: trying to do in the road. He's a fucking weirdo.
28:44
Speaker 1: Can I say, ram is weird? It's really weird. The
28:48
Speaker 1: wingshit is weird anyhow. But to Jema's point, do those
28:52
Speaker 1: songs mean as much as John's. I go for the
28:55
Speaker 1: lenon authenticity more than anything I heard. There's songs I heard.
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Speaker 1: First time I heard Jealous Guy as a kid, I
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Speaker 1: think I started crying. I'm not trying to be a
29:03
Speaker 1: whiss about it, but that's the truth. Just fucking hit
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Speaker 1: me man, all right, Guys to Sgracelampod at gmail dot com.
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Speaker 1: You want to hit me up with anything, any conversation
29:12
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29:15
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29:16
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29:26
Speaker 1: And I want to read this Facebook message that I got.
29:29
Speaker 1: This is from Hannah Victoria and it's it's more like
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Speaker 1: an email, which is why I saved it for this section.
29:33
Speaker 1: It's a little long, but it's uh. It has to
29:37
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29:39
Speaker 1: in the B block here, all right. Unless it's not
29:41
Speaker 1: about the Beatles, it's less about that. So Hannah goes
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Speaker 1: I have to say thank you for being a steady,
29:50
Speaker 1: calming voice through these chaotic years. You get this rare
29:52
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29:58
Speaker 1: just finished listening to the eighty six Mets episode Friday,
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Speaker 1: November eighth, and I was struck by words that were
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Speaker 1: had to offer is its people who unquote. Today, those
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Speaker 1: words resonated more than ever as I, along with my
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Speaker 1: in recent days, wondering what lies ahead. I shared those
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Speaker 1: I'm clearly moved by your words, and I wanted to
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Speaker 1: the above items wound up in a donation pile and
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Speaker 1: freaked up some dark and powerful force. Nope, it was
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Speaker 1: self involved, boring pseudo intellectual that I ever encountered. What
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Speaker 1: a waste of money and time. Ohesh. I have to
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Speaker 1: agree with you there. For those of you who are
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Speaker 1: I'm blanking on the name of it right now. It's
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33:43
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Speaker 1: bunch of cocaine way before people did cocaine, or a
33:48
Speaker 1: lot of people did cocaine, I should say. And I
33:52
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33:57
Speaker 1: through David Bowie, like I said, through while we get
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34:02
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page was deeply into this through Jim Morrison as well.
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Speaker 1: And to Old Pasha's point here, they're pseudo intellectuals. It's
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Speaker 1: on chart ten, number two, More than I Can Say,
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Speaker 1: last week four, peak positions on one weeks on chart
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Speaker 2: Twel number six, Just Last, Quit talking and start mixing.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Matt, my wife's making it Smoothie,