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The Stove is HOT · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three.
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O take where we talk all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the three O take
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presented by Sea Kick. This episode 496.
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I'll be your host Kyle Corwin. I'm here with my Co host Nate
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Reyes. Nate.
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Hello, everybody, Welcome. If you're catching us live,
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appreciate you. I did see a number while you
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were reading or reading the intro and then I saw that number
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drop a few and I'm not sure if it's from what they saw.
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Maybe they saw me and they were just like, we're not listening
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to the city. I said I'm not.
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I'm not signing up for an hour of Nate in a Santa hat.
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Well, too bad Santa hat. And if you can't tell if you
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want to zoom in. Yeah.
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What do you got there? We got.
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Jammies. We got jammies on.
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It's a polar bear skiing some mountains in here.
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And if you're wondering, yes, there's matching.
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Oh, the matching bottoms. That's right, because I'm here,
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I'm in the spirit and let's send it.
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You know what I mean? Let's just hop on in because
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maybe some people are looking at this is like, hey, this is like
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Christmas early. Maybe there's some some fans out
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there that are very happy. Heck yes, the stove is hot.
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The stove is hot. We got some, got some trades to
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discuss. We got some signings to discuss.
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And I feel if I'm being honest, in my heart of hearts, in my
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gut, I even mentioned to you. You feeling or something you
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mentioned? It to you a little earlier, I
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think I think we're due for a move on this.
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I'm ready for you to hit that buzzer.
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I am feeling a move and if we have any, if we have any people
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in the in the chat that have a prediction on who they think
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it's going to be. I have my.
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I have my thought. What do you got?
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What do you? Think there's?
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Yeah, say it. Should we say it on three?
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Just say the name. Hold on, I'm I'm deciding
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between two names that I think. That OK, Yeah, I that'll happen
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during this recording. Yes, I I think I have a name
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that I think is going to happen that is going to be moved during
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this recording. OK, who moved?
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Interesting. All right, ready.
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Do you have a name or am I just saying this on?
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Three, I have a name. I was going to stay with you
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all. Right. 321 Luis Castillo, that
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was, that was my other name. That was the other name I was
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deciding between. Luis Castillo is coming to
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Boston. Do you think that's the that's
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the other move, huh? There are some there's some
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rumors swirling, some reports coming in said that the Sox are
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are very much interested in snagging an arm out of that
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Mariner's rotation. So I think that's a name that
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makes sense. So that's why I've got going
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during this episode. So we'll see.
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We'll see. But let's talk about the deals
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that have gone down. Let's keep it.
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We'll start it here in Boston. Garrett crochet to the Red Sox.
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My goodness, they did something. Can you believe it?
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It's a Christmas miracle. They needed to.
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You mentioned, seriously, you mentioned you talk about fan,
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fan bases that are feeling like, you know, Christmas came a
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little early. Red Sox fans have to be.
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If they're smart, they have to be pleased with this move.
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How are you feeling? I'm happy we did something.
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This wasn't you texted me saying this wasn't like the name.
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If I had to rank. You're open for.
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Put it this way, you take the big three, two of which have
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already signed, and then you add crochet in the mix, because
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crochet obviously has been on the table for some time.
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You're saying pitchers are in general?
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Pitchers the big shout out to wretched 24 White Sox and Chat.
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And he's in an excruciating pain.
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A dying White Sox fan. Maybe you can talk him out of it
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a little bit. Maybe you can shed some light on
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no prospects. I think, I think he's having
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PTSD from the Chris Sale acquisition almost to the to the
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day. I I think that was that was like
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December 6th or 8th or something back in 14 No 16/16/16 it.
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Wasn't 14. No, it was 16.
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No, he was still at the White Sox 14.
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Anyway, Yeah, take the big three, rank the big three,
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adding crochet. If I had to rank those four
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names, I would probably go. And by the Big three, I'm
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talking Snell Freed Burns throwing crochet to the mix.
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It's crazy that my mind doesn't even go to snow.
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It feels so removed. Snell feels so removed from this
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free agency. Anyway, keep going.
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Right. Well, yeah, so Snell's out of
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the mix. Free is obviously out of the
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mix. So you've got Burns and now
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crochet in Boston. But if it prior to all of this,
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prior to this this offseason, I would have probably said, and I
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know some people are going to this is going to raise some
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eyebrows. I would have put free to the
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top. Now, whether or not he's going
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to whether like you can sit there and debate like what
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Fried's going to offer you versus what Burns is going to
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offer you. But there's just something about
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like a fit to me. And it's like Fried would have,
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I don't know, we got a thing for like lanky lefties.
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I don't know, it just it just seemed like more like a fit and
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his stuff is pretty gross. I.
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Know, but what I told you last night in the in a text was that
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I think if, if, if the Red Sox do pull off getting burns, which
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in my mind it, it just seems like that like whoever the
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Yankees got the Red Sox were going to hit the other guy.
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It's just it feels that way. It still feels that way, but I
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think that plays a little bit better just with the fact that
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like, you know, righty's hitting off of Freed and Fenway versus
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righty's hitting off of, of Freed and, and Yankee Stadium.
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Like if you're going to choose the two of which plays of the
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park, you know, like they go way back for like joking about, you
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know, trading Ted Williams for Joe DiMaggio, right?
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Like on a napkin or whatever. Like talking about who would be
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the better fit for the park. That that to me kind of feels
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that way. Like I, I feel like Burns would
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be a better fit. The beard, it already felt weird
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to me that if Burns was the Yankee like I do that I I have
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to do that. Like, sure, it's a part of the
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picture. So yeah, I don't know.
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But crochet I mean. Well, finishing up my list, I
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would, I would go freed Burns snow.
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Come on, snow crochet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But it's not like it. But for me, putting crochet at
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the bottom of that list, it's not like I'm disappointed with
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this move. Like I said, I'm happy they did
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something. I'm going to.
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I, I, I'm certain that I'm going to be pleased with his
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performance this year and beyond because he's got, I think what,
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two more years of, of service there or, you know, two more
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years of time before free agency control, control.
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That's the word I was looking for.
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Thank you. And look, I know what I said
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about and I still stand by it. I I, I was not a fan of how we
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handled the whole I'm demanding an extension before I I agree,
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like before I land wherever I land next.
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I still think that was a a bit over the top and I still I still
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stand by that. I just want to make that clear.
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However, I don't know, I, I just feel like I'm in a better place
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now, now that we've made it to the like.
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This wasn't, this wasn't something that we were
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overextending ourselves at the deadline.
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Because remember, if you go back to the deadline, moves that were
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being made, you, you were, you were asking for halls in return.
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And if you remember, I said you were asking me like, well, are
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you are you glad the Red Sox are are, are you OK with the fact
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that the Red Sox didn't really do much?
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And I said, yeah, because if we would have done something at the
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deadline, it would have meant overextending ourselves, giving
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up too much. And I just, I would have rather
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have just stayed put and not not done that.
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But the the return that the White Sox are getting, I feel
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like is a reasonable return for for both parties.
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You, you don't give up any of your truly top guys.
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I mean, the headlining name going back to Chicago is, is
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Kyle Thiel, who you you talk again, it goes back to the whole
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proven talent versus prospects issue for me.
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And this is a situation where I'm like still early in his
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career, but I'm still taking a guy like Garrett Crochet and you
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can have the prospects that you want, especially considering we
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didn't give up the The Untouchables, as it were, so.
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I think teal is supposed to be like the top catching prospect,
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maybe top three at least. Yeah, yeah.
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As far as catching goes. Yeah, let me check the updated.
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That's see this to me. Tell me if I'm wrong.
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I mean I with this being their first move, then your prediction
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of trading. Top he's.
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Top three with your prediction of of the Red Sox making a move
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to go get Luis Castillo, Doesn't it feel like this?
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Like, do you see two trades where there's still like Burn?
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I still feel like Burns is out there for the taking.
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Like, I don't know if it makes sense to just trade in, like
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deplete the farm, but then not go get a free agent in in
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return, you know? But I think this would change a
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little bit. I think I'm assuming Yoshida
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would be in the mix and if there is a trade for.
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Well, if there's a move specifically with Seattle,
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Tristan Casas is going to be a name that's.
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So you think those two move out the door for Luis Castillo?
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Would you do that? It really comes down to what
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they're looking. Whoever, if there is an arm
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that's traded for, whether it's with Seattle or I've even seen
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Pittsburgh in the mix, there's going to want to it.
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It really comes down to what that other team has to get off
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the books. So if if that's something that's
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becomes a priority for said team, Yoshida is going to
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probably, that's probably that's going to impact whether or not
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Yoshida is involved in that as well.
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But I think with the resources that you still have after this
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trade, if you're the Red Sox, you can still, if you want to
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trade, if you don't want to, you don't want to spend money on
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Corbin Burns, which I have a hard time believing they want it
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given that they're a a legitimate contender for Soto.
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If, if that's if that's the case, if you don't want to go
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down that route of spending the money and you just want to trade
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assets here, I still think you can go out and get a frontline
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guy and still be in good shape in terms of what you're hanging
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on to. Yeah.
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How do you feel about about crochet?
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Obviously last year, 32 starts last year.
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Yeah. And and I was getting into it
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with somebody on on Twitter today where I was talking about,
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you know, proven talent versus prospects.
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And this individual was talking about, well, like what is
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proven? What like he hasn't done
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anything. And I'm, while that is a point
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that maybe I would have made back at the deadline when we're
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talking about this whole demanding of an extension that
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we referenced earlier, like he, he was making the transition to
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a, to a starting role this year. Yeah, which is something you
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have to keep in mind. So like you, you, you can, you
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have to take that into consideration.
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The strikeout stuff is. Yeah.
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Gross so well, I think I .912 nine yeah, it was a 12/9 KS per
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nine this past year and he had a a fifth point O.
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Two point O walks per 9. Yeah.
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And I think he had a FIP of like two.
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It was in the like 269. Yeah, 269 when his ERA on the
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year I think was like a three five or something.
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So that just goes to show you like better than what the
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numbers may show in, in certain categories.
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So I'm like I said, I'm fine with it.
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I'm I'm very much looking forward to having an actual
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frontline guy take the ball on opening day.
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Yeah, I'd be soaked too. I think there's a lot of talent
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there, a lot of upside. I mean, even with I was
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surprised at the 32 starts because I remember there being
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obviously, look, no offense, but there's a certain point in the
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year where we all kind of check out of White Sox anything.
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And there was a certain point where like once that came out
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and he didn't get moved at the deadline, I don't know if I ever
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really put my eyes on the White Sox again after that.
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So I didn't realize that he put up 32 starts.
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I know there was a little bit of a limit on on innings.
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There was midday. And and even with that, he he
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pushed 150. So you got to assume that like
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if he can stay healthy and he's in that 30 plus start range with
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no limitations, you're talking, you're talking to the immediate
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180 hundred and 90 inning guy and strikeout stuff is crazy and
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you got to have that strikeout stuff in Fenway.
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So I think it's a really good move.
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I I think it's to me, I'm like, what else?
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Like it? If I'm, if I'm looking at it
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from the outside, I'm like, they're the Red Sox need to do
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one other thing. This is nice, but I need to see
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one more and I'm curious where that goes.
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Is it a Bregman? Is it splurging for a burns
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here? I think there's a lot up in the
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air. Here are the names that are that
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I've been here and are are in the mix right now.
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Corbin Burns. Obviously you're linked to
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Corbin Burns, a Mariner starter. I'm we're just going to say Luis
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Castillo for conversation sake. Alex Bregman, you're linked to
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Alex Bregman. Nolan Arnado, you're linked to
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Nolan Arnado, to Oscar Hernandez.
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Give me one of those position players and one of those
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pitchers. You need to.
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And I'm, I'm happy. And it like if you really want
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to, if you really want to take a step further, like I said, I
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keep going back to the Tanner Scott thing.
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Go out and get go out and get another arm for the pen.
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And then you're you're really in good shape.
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But I'll be I'm not going to. I'm not going to you're.
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Going to be happy with Chapman. I'm not going to be, no not
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happy with Chapman, but I would be.
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I'd be satisfied with one of those arms and one of those
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position players. Fair enough.
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Let's talk Max Freed here. Yeah.
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Eight-year $218,000,000 deal with the New York Yankees.
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Sort of alluded to it a little bit earlier, this is the largest
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contract ever for a lefty. I know, that's kind of crazy,
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huh? Ironically enough, it was a
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loan, $1,000,000 more CC now David Price 217 million with the
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Red Sox back in 15 and actually Kershaw's are after that 215.
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What does CC get? No I have no idea.
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I just threw a a lefty name out there.
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Those are the only ones over 200, so I mean it.
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Was 2009 when it happened, so I'm assuming yeah.
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CC would have been probably well below that.
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Yeah, probably stupid guess. How do you feel about it though?
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I mean, we, like I said, we sort of touched on it, but how do you
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feel having Max Freed as you're sliding in as your number two
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guy? There's there's two ways to feel
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about it. I, I do agree with you that I
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wanted freed overburns despite the questionable, you know,
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health issues, It's not terrible, it's not great. 28
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starts in 2021, thirty in 2022, only 14 in 2023, which was the
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trouble year and then 29 last year.
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So even with that, I mean career ER as three O 7, like he still
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managed 174 innings last year, 185 in 2022.
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So it's one of those were like, is he going to stay healthy for
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the full eight years? Probably not because who does?
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But I feel really excited. I mean, that's a 1-2 punch that
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I mean, you you can argue that's that's, you know, a top five 1-2
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punch in baseball when when Cole is going right and Freed is
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going right. I love the the lefty play in in
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Yankee Stadium with Death Valley and left center there.
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There's a lot of it that that looks and feels right.
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Solid mustache. I wonder if that sticks around
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it. Has to.
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It has to. I think so.
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Now the other side of it is like, how is Cole healthy?
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Is Garrett Cole fully healthy? Are we going to see if there or
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is this like the safety net and, and the fall back plan on some
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underlying issue to Gary Cole that we as fans don't know yet?
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So I like I'm, I'm happy, but I'm also nervous for that.
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But I, I do think it opens up a lot more options for them.
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You know, they talked about being my number is like the 55
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million that's left after this of, of what they would do is
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they shook off like 80 something million this offseason and not
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getting Sodo I think is a blessing.
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So being able to allocate that money elsewhere in certain other
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holes. It also opens up the the big
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league names that can be moved because there's, you know, the
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farm names. They don't want to move on from
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Spencer Jones, you know, Jason Dominguez, they're not going to
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move on from. So it's like you got to have big
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league guys ready to go. Now Luis Heel can potentially be
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shopped coming off of a rookie of the year.
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Now you can maybe offload some Stroman money, Nestor Cortez,
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names like that don't want to. But maybe Clark Schmidt, like
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some of those guys that are fighting for the fifth spot in
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the rotation, can get shopped and.
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That can that can add for a bat that can go somewhere.
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And does that go to a Nolan or does that go to, you know, crazy
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enough, like maybe a Kyle Tucker?
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I have no idea. Question for you with with the
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Mets, which we'll sort of touch on very briefly because it's
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we're we're days past it now, but we haven't had a chance to
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talk about it. But with the Clay Holmes thing,
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with the Mets repurposing him as a starter, was there if the
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Yankees would have hung on to him for whatever reason, was
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there any rumblings about them doing the same thing?
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Nope, OK, nothing. This is like one of the few
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things that I'm super confident in with Cashman and the Yankees
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and analytics. They're good to find one under
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like diamond in the rough, under the radar reliever.
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Every year they're going to find one that like no one's ever
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heard of because, you know, metrics show that one of their
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pitches is insane, whether it's a cutter or a sinker.
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So like, I do feel like they could fill that role.
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I'm not a Marc Lighter junior believer personally.
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I don't think he's it. I just saw before we hopped on
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that they're bringing in, they're bringing back Louisa.
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So if he stays healthy, like maybe that's to soften that
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blow. But like, yeah, there was never,
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I never heard any kind of idea that Clay Holmes is going to be
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a starter. The dude walks everybody.
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So I don't know. Interesting.
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Fair enough. Any other thoughts on Max Reed
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for move on to our next individual?
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Kind of like you man. They still need two more names.
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Starting pitching is good. Go get Tanner Scott and a bat
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trade for somebody. I don't know.
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I'm not super stoked about Bellinger, but there's a lot of
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a. Lot of smoke there.
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I'd stay away from that. Yeah, if I'm any team out there,
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really. I know.
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There's a lot of smoke there, though.
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There's a lot of traction going. Oh yeah, yeah.
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No, but the last thing I'll say with Freed though, and I I
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should have mentioned this off the top with him, but a lot of
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people saying this was an overpay, a lot of people saying
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this was like a panic move. This was not a panic move.
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This was a this was a pivot. Did we had we were talking about
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this before Soto had like for for days, weeks freed Burns.
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These those were two of the guys.
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I'm honestly still surprised as of right now, this very moment,
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Burns is still out there, still surprised he's out there.
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But Frieden Burns were the two guys that were going to be the
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plan that we're going to serve as the plan BS for these teams
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that didn't went out with the Soto sweepstakes.
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People are going 8 years for a what, 30?
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What is he, 31? Please hold 30.
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He's 30. He'll be 31 in January.
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OK. Yeah, yeah.
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So it's like an 8 year deal for that and you're going to give
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him 218,000,000? It's like this is what you were
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going to have to do like. Yeah, I personally like the 8th
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year because I mean a lot of people were saying six or seven
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years. I think it keeps the AAV down,
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which is beneficial to the Yankees.
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So I I don't hate this. I think if you're in Burns camp
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like that maybe starts to creep into like a 23240 number.
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He he could very well be looking at like 250 upper twos.
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Upper twos, yeah, would be my guess.
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I don't know, I don't, I think this whole market look like I, I
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like that the Yankees didn't go weird and try to replace Juan
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Soto and like overpay like a Santander.
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You know what I mean? Nothing against him, but like
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he's not Juan Soto. I think what they did is looked
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at the market and said like who, who's the best available, right?
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Like when you're drafting, like I want to take the best
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available player, whether it's a immediate need or not.
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But what they did is they gave themselves wiggle room with the
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with the rotation to use that as, you know, assets to move on,
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you know, to go get a bat just because maybe the bats that they
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see on on the market don't check all the boxes they're looking to
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check. So I think it's a smart move.
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I like it. And it is an easy transition
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because, again, Garrett Cole's 35, like there's a little
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changing in the guard that will happen in the next few years for
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him to step in to the number one roll.
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Was there was there an opt out in that?
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I don't think there's an opt out.
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Yeah, I don't think there's a full no trade clause as well.
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Yeah, I don't, I don't remember seeing anything about a opt out
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so. Yanks don't do a ton of opt outs
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to be honest with you. I wish Nathan Ievaldi could opt
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out of this deal with the Rangers and and come back to
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Boston like I usually wanted. Look, since it's gone down, I've
25:21
honestly, I've had some time to reflect and I as much as I love
25:26
Nathan Ivaldi, it, it honestly just would have felt kind of
25:31
weird. Like he, he gave us, he gave us
25:36
the years that he did. He had some highs, but he also
25:40
had some lows. But I don't know how it would
25:42
have felt about a reunion. It just would have like I, I
25:44
wanted him here. Sure.
25:46
Because just because we we have nothing when it comes to
25:50
starting pitching, when it really comes down to it, at
25:53
least guys that I mean, we'll see with a guy like Tanner Hawk,
25:56
we'll see in terms of consistency whether he can
25:59
replicate, but. I think he's stud personally.
26:03
Like how? We'll see.
26:04
And I and I and I, I hope that's the case.
26:06
But with Nathan Yavaldi, you, you know what you were getting.
26:10
And I think even as he's creeping up in age, I think he's
26:14
still going to be able to go out there and get like when he's on,
26:17
he, he can give you innings, which like we just weren't, we
26:22
just weren't really getting from guys.
26:23
So that's why in addition to the fact that I'm just a fan of his,
26:26
I, I wanted him back. But alas, signs a three-year
26:31
deal with the Texas Rangers staying in Texas, his home
26:35
state, for $75 million will be 35 at the start of this coming
26:40
season. And I, I, I don't know, I, I
26:49
don't know what the driving factor is here.
26:51
Like, I, is it just staying close to home?
26:55
Is it staying where you're, you're comfortable?
26:57
Because I feel like there were some, there could have been some
27:01
suitors out there that would have had you in a better
27:03
situation, you know, outlook wise in terms of how the the
27:08
season would go. But.
27:10
Yeah, I it's hard to say, man. I mean, there's, there's a lot
27:15
to like about the Rangers. There's a lot that make you
27:18
have, you know, some questions, you know, the ground coming
27:24
back, like, you know, how much is that going to uptick their
27:30
production? Maybe there's some, some pull
27:35
that that Mike Maddox has. I mean, I still think he's one
27:38
of the best pitching coaches in the game.
27:43
You know, it's, it's, it's strange.
27:45
I, I think the Rangers are in a good place.
27:50
I think the window is still there as far as the Rangers go.
27:53
I I think this was a good deal because let's face it, you're,
27:57
you're not in, in the, you know, now they're gone, but like you
28:00
weren't in the Blakes now Corbin Burns, Max Freed conversations.
28:05
You you weren't going to spend that much money.
28:07
So you know, where else are you going to be pivoting?
28:10
And do you take your chances with like a Jack Flaherty or, or
28:14
do you bring back someone you're familiar with and, and Nathan
28:17
Givaldi? So I, I like that aspect to it.
28:22
I'm I'm with you. I like native already, man.
28:24
He's a gamer, he's a dog and I think it's smart.
28:29
Maybe maybe you're right. I I would guess the only thing I
28:33
would consider is that maybe the market was not going higher than
28:38
than two years. Maybe he wasn't seeing that
28:41
third year and maybe that's what the Rangers, you know, were were
28:45
able to provide. That's the only thing I can
28:47
maybe guess. Yeah, that's, that's honestly
28:51
probably what it ended up being because like you're saying it,
28:55
if if you're Texas, you're you're not necessarily
28:57
necessarily linked to a lot of these premier arms.
29:03
And if if you see an opportunity to bring back a guy that you are
29:07
comfortable with, like I said, you know what you're going to
29:09
get from them, just extend them that that third year and chances
29:14
are you can bring them back. And my guess is that Nathan
29:17
Yavaldi is a fairly easy guy to work with as long as you you you
29:21
give him what he feels like he's worth.
29:23
He's going to he he's going to make it work for you and feel
29:28
like that's what how it went down.
29:29
So good for the Rangers for bringing back one of their own,
29:34
Willie Adamus. It's been a handful of days now,
29:39
but if you recall, we had the Soto Emergency pod that took up
29:45
exclusively or took up the entirety I should say, of last
29:51
episode. So we didn't get a chance to
29:52
touch base on some of these other deals that are are going
29:57
to follow here in the next few minutes.
29:58
But Willie Adamus 7 years, $182,000,000 with $182 million
30:05
contract with the Giants, their largest contract in franchise
30:09
history. All right, If I recall, I texted
30:17
you like pretty shortly after this and I said I'm like the
30:21
Giants. I like it.
30:24
It's a it's a strong move. Giants are doing something.
30:28
For once, they didn't miss out on a guy.
30:30
Granted, it's not a $300 million guy, but.
30:33
Yeah, I mean, I, I agree. I, I think Buster Posey coming
30:37
in and like he immediately getting something done is, is
30:40
something that's necessary. Like as a fan base, you you
30:44
can't see that move and then not see any kind of splash in the
30:48
free agency. So like, I like that.
30:51
I like that. I mean, I think day one when he
30:54
came into office, he was like we were getting a shortstop and
30:57
like we're in the hunt and going and getting him is good.
31:01
I similar to what I mentioned before, like I, I think there
31:06
are certain other things they need to do.
31:09
They need to go, you know, give they need to go get a number two
31:13
behind, behind Logan Webb. I don't know how they do that,
31:18
but they need to go get somebody.
31:22
But I like this. I mean, the defensively shoot
31:27
left side of the infield is solid.
31:31
And if you can start bringing in, you know, more guys that fit
31:35
the Logan Webb conversation of like keeping the ball on the
31:38
ground, you know, I think that plays, but they got to keep
31:45
going and I don't know where they spend that money.
31:48
I obviously, obviously they have plenty of money to spend.
31:50
You know, obviously they want to they want to get after it.
31:53
They have been throwing out $300 million offers last few off
31:57
seasons and it's been, you know, gut punch after gut punch.
32:00
But I like this. I think.
32:03
I think the the Willie, the Willie numbers fall a little
32:05
bit, I should say, is what it is.
32:09
You know, when you go from Tampa to Milwaukee and then, you know,
32:14
now to San Francisco, it's like, yeah, a little bit of that
32:17
offense production is going to change.
32:19
So. But I like it.
32:22
I'm I'm a Willie fan. I like the way he plays, I
32:26
think, yeah, I think I saw he stole a a good number of bags
32:29
last year. So you know that brings another
32:31
element to it. I feel like he could have stood
32:35
the benefit from maybe waiting out the Soto deal just in terms
32:40
of driving his market up a little bit.
32:42
But you know, like maybe he's just one of those guys that's
32:47
happy with with what was presented to him the the offer
32:51
that was slid across the table, if you will, and you know, 182
32:55
for seven years like that's. That's solid.
32:59
Yeah, that's good money. I I'm.
33:00
OK with that if I'm Willie Adamas, I think.
33:02
I agree that's good money and security.
33:07
I think when I saw the deal like the first thing that my mind
33:10
went and and you probably thoughts on the similar because
33:15
you had prediction of him going to Atlanta and I was like where
33:18
are the Braves go now? You know what I mean?
33:21
Like because I if you're a Braves fan or you're in the
33:25
chat, let me know. I think the RCS stuff is dead.
33:29
It's not, it's not it. That's.
33:31
Not the. That's not the move.
33:33
Doesn't give that to you and I I really would have liked that
33:37
fit. I mean, especially in a.
33:40
Year where you're trying to reassert yourself in that
33:43
division like the like we'll, we'll chalk up last year to what
33:46
it was for the Atlanta Braves, but like this year, you got it.
33:49
You got it, especially with the the soda sweepstakes.
33:52
Him ended up in in in in in Queens.
33:56
Like you got to you got to make a splash here and reassert
33:59
yourself. Sit and let make sure people
34:01
don't forget about you in that. Right.
34:03
And I don't know like there's it's Hassan Kim, like that's the
34:07
only other free agent move that you can really make to plug that
34:11
hole. Outside of that, you're trading
34:14
like, I don't know what their farm looks like, but they got to
34:20
do something and I, I think we got to be patient.
34:26
I think everyone knows what Alex Anthropolis is capable of.
34:30
I think there may be some something that he's got hitting
34:33
up his sleeve that he can do, but they got to make a move,
34:35
man, like RCA ain't it? I've I've heard things like Beau
34:39
Bichette, which would be sick, which would be really
34:42
interesting, you know, kind of a Bilo situation because he didn't
34:48
have a Goodyear last year. But I don't know if the Blue
34:51
Jays are willing to to do that. So I don't know.
34:56
I can't really think of any other names.
35:00
Maybe you make the the Tigers eat a ton of contract and see if
35:04
Javi Baez has anything. No, I'm not touching that with a
35:08
10 foot pole. I don't care.
35:10
I don't know, man. I don't know.
35:12
I don't care how much they eat, at a certain point you have to
35:14
have some self respect and and and maintain some dignity.
35:18
You know? Javi bias is not.
35:20
The is not. Where else like there's.
35:22
No, you're right. That's it's literally house on
35:24
can. Anyone else?
35:24
Yeah. I can't think of anyone like
35:28
Korea, like you're you're going around and you're trying to find
35:31
shortstops that are maybe up for grabs.
35:35
And it's tough. It's Slim Pickens.
35:38
That's why I felt like Adamus had to happen.
35:45
The Orioles believe that Tyler O'Neill had to happen, having
35:49
lost out on, or not lost out having let Anthony Santander
35:55
walk out the door. And I think at this point, we're
35:59
assuming that Anthony Santander is what ETA on that deal.
36:08
When do we think, when do we think Santander's that's going
36:10
down? Because that was obviously
36:14
another name that had to wait out the whole Soto Yeah
36:17
situation. Yeah, I don't know.
36:18
What's tough about Santander is that like you just you look at
36:21
how much of A liability he is defensively, he's got to get
36:27
armed. But like, other than that, like
36:30
a right field in Baltimore is nice, like a right field in, you
36:35
know, a smaller park. It it plays.
36:37
But like there's certain places where you just like limited,
36:40
like the giants getting Santander great, get some bop in
36:46
that lineup. But like you got to DH them and
36:49
like, are you willing to spend this much money on a full time
36:52
DH right now when TA Oscar is still out there?
36:57
There's also the trade market, like the Cubs coming out and
37:00
saying like they're willing to move now, the Astros saying like
37:03
potentially willing to move Kyle Tucker.
37:05
So like when you're looking at it like is Bellinger say Suzuki,
37:09
Kyle Tucker, is that a better fit for my organization then a
37:14
Santander who's going to, you know, maybe play the outfield
37:17
for another year or two and then move into a full time DH role.
37:20
And now you have an aging DH and we've seen that movie over and
37:25
over again. And presumably a sizeable
37:27
contract on the books because exactly we talked about he's
37:29
going to come in some dollars here this, this.
37:32
Office, I think it's going to be late.
37:34
I I think it's going to be a little while because I fear that
37:37
his number is probably not getting to where he he wants it
37:40
to get. And again, like you can
37:43
potentially, don't get me wrong, the power is great, but like you
37:47
can potentially piece something together in different ways
37:51
without forking over that cash. In the aggregate, Shut up
37:55
Moneyball Tyler O'Neill Getting back to Tyler O'Neill 3 year 49
38:00
and a half $1,000,000 contract with the O's.
38:04
I like this deal. Talk to me.
38:05
I mean, you're more familiar with him from last year, so 31
38:10
bops last year. It's a good.
38:12
Yeah, I mean, it's a good, it's a good answer.
38:15
I'll say to to Santander walking out the door.
38:18
I mean, it's not, you're not getting quite the same amount of
38:23
power out of O'Neill when you look at the counting stats, but
38:29
it's, you could have done far worse.
38:32
Yeah, I'll, I'll say that. So, and he can, he can, he can
38:36
play some decent defense. He he loves going all out for
38:43
some reason in the outfield. So you, you know, you're
38:45
getting, you're getting Max. Effort left field got brought in
38:49
a little bit. So yeah, so we'll see.
38:56
Oh, like it. I like Tyler O'Neill.
38:58
I think I I kind of like this. What it could, what it could
39:03
provide to that lineup kind of spaces things out a little bit
39:09
and maybe this allows them kind of like what I was talking about
39:13
the Yankees. Like what a sign can do to give
39:17
you room with your assets to move.
39:21
And maybe this is when the Orioles finally pull the trigger
39:26
and move some of this farm some of this.
39:28
I mean, there's log jams in multiple positions.
39:30
Like maybe they move on and and plug other holes because of this
39:35
kind of signing. I'm going to I I still need the
39:39
Orioles to commit to somebody long term.
39:42
Like we, we just still. They got to bring back burns, I
39:45
really do. I don't.
39:47
I just don't see it at this point.
39:48
There's two, there's too many other two too many other teams
39:51
at this point that are too desperate for a frontline guy
39:54
that are willing going to be willing to overpay and and
39:57
overspend. Which is something that the
39:58
Orioles have proven they are not necessarily willing to do right
40:01
now because they have an embarrassment of riches that
40:03
they can work with with with trades and and.
40:06
See, to me that like as as a Red Sox fan, that should make you a
40:10
little nervous for who's vying for the Mariners staff because
40:16
like you got to imagine if the Red Sox are a good, a good match
40:19
for the Mariners. So the Orioles and the Orioles
40:23
would also like a little bit of rotation help, obviously.
40:26
So that's a. That's an issue there too.
40:33
Speaking of making a deal, the Blue Jays and the Guardians made
40:41
a something made a little something happen.
40:42
Andres Jimenez headed to the Blue Jays.
40:49
This is one that I I don't think a lot of people necessarily saw
40:52
coming. This scene.
40:53
This sort of got dropped into the mix yesterday when signings
40:59
have been going down in the last 24 to 48 hours.
41:04
I like this though. For who?
41:10
For the Jays. For the Jays, yeah.
41:12
I mean, it's not it like we talked about you're, if you're
41:14
the Jays, you I'll, I'll say it again, you were not a serious
41:18
contender for Juan Soto. I, I, I personally believe that
41:21
and I stand by that. I don't think you were one of
41:23
these, these finalists for Juan Soto.
41:28
And so if, if that's, if that's the case, they were already
41:35
looking elsewhere like they, they've been looking past Juan
41:39
Soto for some time. I would have to think and I
41:42
still think that they should be open to to spending some money,
41:49
but they they looked internally and saw what they could do with
41:53
with the trade. So they went out and got
41:56
Jimenez. But you know, they I'm not going
42:02
to say no to that defense from the.
42:04
Chase I I think he's incredible defensively.
42:10
Watching him do what he does in in the ALDS was was, yeah, was
42:14
impressive. Excuse me, ALCS, Yeah.
42:18
I think what makes me nervous is like some of the numbers just
42:23
kind of gradually going down. He came on the scene in 2022 and
42:26
I think he was an All Star. He was, he was an All Star in
42:29
2022. You know, 837 OPS, you know, 141
42:35
OPS plus like a lot of that stuff look good.
42:40
And then some of these other numbers like start to creep down
42:42
like, you know, 2023 that OPS dropped to 712.
42:46
You know, 2024 dropped down to 638 on base percentage has
42:52
dipped over the last few years as well.
42:55
Now he's only 25. So you're like, what's, what's
42:59
the, what's the norm here? Are you the, the 2022 Andres
43:03
Jimenez or was that a little flash in the pan?
43:06
And now we've kind of lost things.
43:09
So it's interesting. It's definitely interesting.
43:13
I'm curious to see which one they get.
43:17
But yeah, we'll, we'll see. I I guess.
43:20
Good, good job doing something I don't know, the Blue Jays need
43:23
to. I'm so so confused with that
43:28
organization. Like I said, you should have
43:34
been like, if if you're serious about this year, if you're
43:37
serious about trying to maximize this last potential year that
43:40
you have with Vladi, you should have been ready to fire from the
43:45
hip. And in fact, you should have
43:48
been making that. You should have been making
43:49
moves before the Soto deal went down because now the price is
43:53
only going to go up on certain guys.
43:55
But they're I don't I don't know what they're necessarily waiting
44:01
for because there's still some guys I think that they could add
44:03
that would make sense or or improve their chances of of
44:08
succeeding this year. Again, with flatty, possibly
44:10
with his being as last year, but at again, a lot of what the Blue
44:14
Jays do confused me at times. So I'm not going to necessarily
44:19
question it, but. Yeah, whatever.
44:23
Decent move though. Shane Bieber.
44:27
This one bummed me out a little bit.
44:29
I don't know, is it just me? Oh, I'm with you.
44:33
I was kind of ready to see him go throw on some new threads and
44:36
like and dice and just have like a little revenge tour in a way.
44:43
I don't know, I think there's still something in there.
44:46
Oh yeah. And that's, I mean, you have to
44:49
assume that's what the whole one year's back got and go out and
44:52
show the league what you what it is that you still do have or
44:56
still believe that you have. Yeah, Here's what I'm bummed out
44:59
about is like, if you're going to take a one year deal to go
45:03
back home, you got to assume that that offer was going to be
45:05
on the table for a little while. You couldn't go another few
45:09
weeks to see what else was out there.
45:12
Like you're telling me there's no other like similar to how
45:16
when the soda ball drops and other teams start making other
45:20
moves and pivoting, you got to assume that something's going to
45:23
happen around the burns around the freed move.
45:26
So like, if those guys start to, to sign and commit to places,
45:31
why not wait out to see what these other other teams are
45:35
going to do from there, how they're going to pivot?
45:38
And I don't know, man. I mean, maybe he's in love with
45:42
Cleveland. Maybe he wants to stay home, but
45:44
I, there's always other circumstances or factors into
45:47
the circumstance. But I just to me, like I, I do
45:51
think that there's a ton of upside there.
45:53
I think there's a lot of teams that see that and I would have
45:58
maybe waited it out. I don't know, I would have I
46:01
would have seen because like now, if if you go out and
46:05
struggle or if God forbid, you get hurt again in some kind of
46:09
way and you don't make at least 2728 starts this year, like
46:14
you're in trouble. This is this is real trouble.
46:18
But you can't tell me that there wasn't a team out there maybe
46:21
saying, you know, here's a three-year deal for 40 mil, 45
46:27
mil. I think I could have been out
46:29
there. Sure, but if you're coming off
46:30
elbow surgery like he is and and you're, you're and your mind,
46:34
you're setting yourself up for a prove it deal, Where do you want
46:37
that to happen? You want it to happen where
46:39
you're comfortable. Where are you comfortable?
46:41
Who with the people you've been working with, with the people
46:43
you've been rehabbing with and and the people you've been
46:47
around for, for some time that's.
46:49
Part of it, too, is the rehabbing process.
46:51
It's definitely a part of it. You got to stay with the people
46:53
that have been helping you. So I get it.
46:56
I. And he seems like, I mean, I
46:58
don't know the guy from Adam, but he seems like a pretty down
47:01
to earth guy. So I would have to think that
47:02
that that the the the people aspect.
47:05
It's hard to tell. It's hard to tell.
47:07
I feel like Cleveland just just grooms robots, but he seems like
47:12
a Kluber 2 point O to me. Couple more smiles.
47:17
He's got a little more dog in him, I think.
47:19
Thanks. Kluber's very much a robot for
47:21
sure. Yeah.
47:22
But we're sure. And lastly here, Clay Holmes.
47:28
Yes, it's it's been some days now.
47:30
But we didn't get. Didn't get a chance to talk
47:32
about a three-year, $38 million deal with an opt out after the
47:34
second year. And as I mentioned, Mets plan to
47:38
make him a starter, so. Yeah.
47:41
And this was obviously before the SODO news, so this was.
47:45
Yeah, just another, another. I think it's interesting.
47:49
I think it's, I mean, like I there are flashes where we all
47:53
know this, like he could have the nastiest pitch in baseball
47:59
when that sinker is going right, Like it can be one of the best
48:04
pitches in baseball. It's it's interesting that they
48:10
want to move into the rotation. You know, I always had issues
48:15
when Boone would bring him in with guys on, when he would
48:17
bring him in, you know, trying to finish out the 8th and
48:20
potentially cover the 9th for a save.
48:22
Like that's that's a problem thing for him coming in with
48:25
guys on base because it's weird, man.
48:29
Like his stuff is so nasty that he gives up almost too soft of
48:33
contact. You're going to see a lot of
48:35
infield hits, you're going to see a lot of bloops, like a lot
48:39
of weird things, broken bat singles that end up kind of
48:43
coming back to to bite him a little bit, which is hard
48:45
because it's like that's what you're supposed to do as a
48:47
pitcher. So it's really hard to like be
48:51
too critical of Clay Holmes because at times, like a lot of
48:55
those, a lot of those times where he struggles or gives up
48:58
runs or blows saves or holds or whatever, you're like, Dang,
49:02
dude, like you weren't even looking that bad, but you had
49:05
one walk and an infield single and then all of a sudden it's
49:08
unfold time, so. Wheels fall off, Yeah.
49:11
Yeah. So I mean, I'm interested to see
49:14
if he can learn a third pitch and and start to implement that
49:16
more. We saw that a little bit because
49:20
he likes to go sinker. That has that really downward
49:22
action 2 seam has the really flat inward action towards
49:25
righties and then a a pretty nasty curveball.
49:30
Maybe a change up gets thrown into the mix.
49:32
I don't know what the Mets plan on doing, but if it works out,
49:35
they could be a genius. This could be very smart, but I
49:40
don't know, like prior if this if the Mets didn't get Sodo,
49:44
this was like a typical little brother Mets move in my mind.
49:49
And they've done it a bunch of times like Severino Bader,
49:52
you're just like, OK, like you're just you eventually got
49:55
to be not the the little brother and then Soto happened.
49:58
That's. Richest athletic ever.
50:01
Louis Severino to you. My bad.
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You didn't say Oakland. Good for you.
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I was very I. I was a conscious.
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Yeah, good for you all. Right.
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I think that's it on personnel. Is that correct?
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Nailed it, nailed it. Nothing happened.
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Man, should we stall? We still.
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Got we still got, we still got something we got to get to.
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Yo, something something. There it is.
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Freaking love it. Freaking love it.
50:56
Whose quote was this? This was from episode 42.
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Oh, no back. Deep in the archives.
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Back in February, February of 2019.
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Whoa. The quote, and this was in
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reference to Nolan Arenado, who I believe at the time had just
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signed, had just signed. The deal with the Rockies?
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No. No, no.
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But this was the, I want to say the one year R or the 11 year
51:32
deal. Let's see.
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To avoid avoid arbitration. I believe it was like for 2020
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something mil. This was it back in February of
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2019. Think it was a two year
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extension that waved. No, it was a one year.
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Yeah, you're right. 2019, one year, 26 mil.
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Yeah. Good memory Sir.
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The quotes. I think Colorado would be dumb
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not to offer him a Max contract, but I don't know if he stays.
52:12
Like we've talked about how much you and I in kind of the old
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school ways, really appreciate those guys that are or that just
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stick around with their single franchise their whole career.
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I think it would be great for his legacy, but I don't think he
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sticks around. I mean, we both feel so similar
52:33
about that. It's, it's tough to say.
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I'll say me just 'cause I was in, you know, I was familiar
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with Denver and familiar with Arenado's game.
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Correct. All.
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Right. No, the only I I wanted to
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honestly, with these first two quotes that I've gone with as as
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part of this little segment we've got going, I wanted, I
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just wanted to go with it, given that it was somewhat timely,
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given that Nolan's name has been floated around and again linked
53:03
to Boston. And you know, I, I still, I
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still believe that I, I still, I still feel strongly about guys
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that stick with a franchise their entire careers.
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But with the way that Nolan's career has, has panned out, I
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don't think that was ever going to be an option for him 'cause
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he just, he just hasn't been able to figure out a place to
53:39
call home. And it, and it go well, like
53:42
there, if you remember the way, the way it ended in Colorado,
53:45
very much a bad blood situation, it seemed.
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Oh. Yeah.
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And now with with Saint Louis, I think there's you can make the
53:54
argument a number of Cardinals fans that are looking to shed
53:57
this quote UN quote dead weight because he had a down year
54:03
offensively last year. It's one of the best defenders
54:06
in the league. But I guess that's not good
54:07
enough. I don't know.
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But yeah, was never going to be a guy that was going to stick
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around with a franchise in his entire.
54:15
Career. Yeah.
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And it's too bad because like, that's why he signed the
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contract in in Colorado. Like that's why he accepted that
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structure of that and for the Rockies to shop him the very
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next year after that is is, you know, kind of a slap in the face
54:30
and you didn't like it. Yeah, I'd like to see him get
54:33
back to form. I'm definitely a pro arnotto
54:36
guy. Just looking at this contract is
54:38
insane. Said to be a free agent 2028.
54:45
He'll be age 37 at that point. Next year it will make 21
54:51
million. It'll fall to 16, then 15 after
54:55
that ton of deferred money. He's going to make 2 million a
55:00
year from 2022 all the way to 2031, and then from 2032 to 2041
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he's going to make 3 million a year in deferred money.
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I'm not overly familiar with how money can be moved or changed
55:20
when it's deferred. I don't know if it stays with
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the team. I don't know why.
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I just don't know how any of that stuff works.
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But I think there's more in them.
55:33
I think there's something in there.
55:37
Maybe you don't get the the crazy numbers that you used to
55:40
get, but the defense plays man defense.
55:45
My goodness, I want to see it. I want to see it somewhere.
55:50
It's it's growing on me for sure.
55:52
Like bring Nolan, trade for Nolan, Bump, bump Rafi to the DH
55:58
spot because he's going to end up there anyway.
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So why not just get a head start?
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Yeah. And like I said, I mean, we
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don't have to go back down the Red Sox route, but, you know, go
56:08
out and get another frontline guy and I'd be happy.
56:11
I'd be happy with that. Yeah, Yanks have been lead kind
56:14
of leaked to him as well and and Astra has been linked to him as
56:18
well. So it I think it really like the
56:22
the Arenado domino falls shortly after the Bregman domino falls.
56:27
So I would agree it'll be it'll be interesting.
56:34
But yeah, I think it's time to go and we go.
56:37
Wouldn't be surprised if Goldie gets moved as well.
56:41
True, true. I.
56:43
Think the Cardinals might as well just really kind of flip it
56:46
on its head at this point. Yeah, yeah.
56:51
Maybe the Christian Walker domino has the effect on the
56:56
Paul Goldschmidt domino. There's a lot to this.
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A lot of Domino's. I like Domino's.
57:02
Yeah. Both both the game and the
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pizza. There you go.
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Well, not as much anymore, which we talked about in our last.
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Still gets. Three hour change up.
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Yeah, bonus pod if in case you missed it.
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That's all I got unless you got anything else.
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Nope, Nope, jam packed, got it all in.
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Hopefully something happens. I'm sure something will happen
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in the next hour or two. That's how it goes.
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It's only 9:00 on the on the where are they?
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Where's the winter meetings? Dallas.
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Oh, only 8:00. There's still plenty of business
57:41
to happen. We're going to have something
57:44
tonight. I already know it.
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Dang it. Oh well, good stuff.
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Love you, everybody. Don't go chasing curveballs.
57:52
Love you all, and as always, looking forward to talking more
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baseball with you guys soon. Until next time, stay filthy.