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Hutton & Withrow: Titans Gun Incident Sparks Controversy, Robert Saleh Responds & College Football Coaches on the Hot Seat | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on sport and state.
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  Speaker 1: Glad you're with us for Hutton & Withrow presented by
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  Speaker 2: He's Withrow. I'm Hutton. Good morning to you. Good morning, Chad.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Hut.
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  Speaker 1: A lot to discuss today. We've got Thursday night football
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  Speaker 1: coming up. We have one big thing on every NFL game.
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  Speaker 1: There's now a coach who's been fired in the Power
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  Speaker 1: 4 conferences. And we've got the overachieving and underachieving players
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  Speaker 1: and rosters across college football. We start, though, with the
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans and Jordan Elliott. A lot came out over
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  Speaker 1: the last 24, 48 hours about Elliott, who was a
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  Speaker 1: defensive tackle for the Titans. He gets into a skirmish,
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  Speaker 1: a fight, something of that nature with J.C. Latham in practice.
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  Speaker 1: It carries over to the locker room. He goes out
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  Speaker 1: to his vehicle in the team parking garage and has
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  Speaker 1: a firearm. And John Franklin Myers goes out to make
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  Speaker 1: sure he doesn't go any further with that. The team
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  Speaker 1: released a statement on this. And, Chad, we thought this
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  Speaker 1: is exactly what you're seeing here, is where it was
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  Speaker 1: going to end. There was an incident on our team,
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  Speaker 1: in our team facility, with Jordan Elliott. Following our review
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  Speaker 1: of the incident, we've made the decision to release Elliott
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  Speaker 1: from our roster. We will have no further comment on
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  Speaker 1: the matter. Well, that doesn't end up being the case, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: We heard from Robert Sala, and Chad, I was surprised,
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  Speaker 1: quite frankly, with what we're about to see and hear.
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  Speaker 1: Let's react to it after we hear from the head coach,
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  Speaker 1: who goes in-depth about his feelings toward the Elliott incident.
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  Speaker 3: With regards to the news that Jordan had a gun.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why I think NFL and the organization
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  Speaker 4: did an outstanding job is because this is a man
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  Speaker 4: who's a father, a great husband, he's never committed a
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  Speaker 4: crime in his entire life, and he pulled a gun
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  Speaker 4: in the parking lot. And the first question that I
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  Speaker 4: think everyone forgets to ask is why would a great man,
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  Speaker 4: a great father, A man who shows up on time
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  Speaker 4: every day, works his ass off every day, contributes the
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  Speaker 4: way he's supposed.
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  Speaker 3: To contribute, is well-liked in the locker room. Why did
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  Speaker 3: he go off the rails and grab a gun?
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  Speaker 4: And to me, those are small signs of a cry
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  Speaker 4: of help in terms of, obviously, there's something greater happening.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought the team in the NFL did an outstanding.
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  Speaker 4: Job with regards to pausing and asking those questions and
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  Speaker 4: checking every single.
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  Speaker 3: Box with regards to getting him the help that he needs.
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  Speaker 4: In the last year, the NFL has lost two outstanding
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  Speaker 4: young men to taking their own lives because they may
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  Speaker 4: have had help. They may have been crying for help,
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  Speaker 4: and everyone ignored it. And I'm not saying that's where
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  Speaker 4: he was. I'm not going to speak on that. But
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  Speaker 4: these kids go through a lot, a lot.
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  Speaker 3: And... And like I said, I thought I will stand
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  Speaker 3: on the table for Jordan's character.
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  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, rules are rules with regards to guns on property.
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  Speaker 4: And sometimes it's far greater than the knee-jerk reaction of
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  Speaker 4: kicking somebody and kicking somebody when they're down. My message
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  Speaker 4: to 31 other teams would be if you need a
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  Speaker 4: hell of a run-stopping D-tackle that can help you on
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  Speaker 4: a playoff run, give.
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  Speaker 3: Me a call. I'll tell you everything you need to
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  Speaker 3: know about him. He's a good man.
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  Speaker 4: He had a terrible lapse in judgment that I recognize
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  Speaker 4: as a call for help more than a criminal act.
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  Speaker 3: And it's unfortunate the way it went down.
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  Speaker 4: But as far as Jordan's concerned and the locker room
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  Speaker 4: and all that, I think the locker room and Jordan,
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  Speaker 4: I think people see it differently here than the knee-jerk
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  Speaker 4: reaction of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Chad, right there, I heard a head coach who, my
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  Speaker 1: first reaction was, showed leadership, showed support, showed care. And
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't my first question that I asked when I
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  Speaker 1: heard about this that, oh, why? I asked, and I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking, well, thank goodness it ended when it ended, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like it didn't escalate any further than it already had.
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  Speaker 2: To that point.
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  Speaker 1: Then I started asking why and how it can get
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  Speaker 1: to that point. Because we see things like this on
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  Speaker 1: the practice field often, you know, during training camp, it
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  Speaker 1: never gets to this point. I mean, when it does
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  Speaker 1: get to this point, Salah has a point, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that things behind the scenes can escalate to this. But
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  Speaker 1: did you see the same thing? Did you hear the
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  Speaker 1: same thing from Salah? I thought, I thought he handled
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  Speaker 1: that as well as he possibly could. I, I, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think what he said handled it as well as
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  Speaker 1: he possibly could, and I'll get into that.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's two parts of this, okay?
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  Speaker 5: And I immediately saw that he spoke for two minutes,
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  Speaker 5: and I posted on Twitter that I'm the first to
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  Speaker 5: criticize the Titans for hiding behind written statements and not being.
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  Speaker 2: Transparent and not saying anything.
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  Speaker 5: So in turn, to be fair, I've got to be
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  Speaker 5: fair to the organization and say I'm thrilled that Robert
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  Speaker 5: Sala spoke at length about this.
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  Speaker 2: I sent it to our group. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: I was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: He spoke way more about this than I was expecting,
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  Speaker 1: way more than I was expecting for him to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this incident when he got into mental health. And
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  Speaker 1: we need to ask what's going on with him that
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  Speaker 1: he would do this and all those things that he said.
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  Speaker 1: So I give Robert Sala credit for being a leader
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  Speaker 1: and not ducking the controversy and not ducking the issue
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  Speaker 1: and talking about it from his heart about what was
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  Speaker 1: going on and what he thought about and what the
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  Speaker 1: organization thought about and everything else.
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  Speaker 5: So I want to start there. Full marks to him
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  Speaker 5: for being upfront and honest about everything. Now, when you
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  Speaker 5: get into someone who may have murdered someone, had he
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  Speaker 5: gone through with it, or harmed himself, and he starts
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  Speaker 5: going into this, well, we got to ask what's going
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  Speaker 5: on with him.
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  Speaker 2: He's a great father. He's a great husband. He's a great.
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  Speaker 5: That's a criminal act when you threaten someone with a gun.
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  Speaker 5: You also can't get away from that part of it.
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  Speaker 5: And also, it's not an NFL rule that they had
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  Speaker 5: to cut him To my knowledge, he was going to
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  Speaker 5: get suspended. Something was going to happen to him with
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  Speaker 5: league discipline more than likely had they reported it to
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  Speaker 5: the league. But he's vouching for him for 31 other teams.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm thinking you could have him on your team
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  Speaker 5: if you vouch for his character so much. If you
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  Speaker 5: think this is a one off and he just needs
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  Speaker 5: to go get help and could come back. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: why vouch with 31 other coaches the way you're saying
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  Speaker 5: for his character when you could have just kept him
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  Speaker 5: on the team and had him get the help that
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  Speaker 5: he got?
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  Speaker 1: But instead, the Titans cut him. I don't think there's
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  Speaker 1: a rule about cutting him. And again, I think they
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  Speaker 1: did the right thing by cutting him. I'm not disagreeing
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  Speaker 1: with them cutting him, but to cut the guy and
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  Speaker 1: then to come back and talk about how great of
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  Speaker 1: a professional he is and how great of a dad
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  Speaker 1: he is and all of this, and we've got to
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  Speaker 1: ask what's going on with his mental health and worry
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  Speaker 1: about him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what about J.C. Latham?
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  Speaker 1: And all this too would be my response. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's why they cut him. I would also, I'd worry
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  Speaker 1: about him also. Well, I, I think, um, in reviewing
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  Speaker 1: this and listening to him, he said, Sala goes into the,
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  Speaker 1: the self harm aspect of this. And he says, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to speak to that, but he, he did.
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  Speaker 1: He mentioned two other players recently who have done this.
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  Speaker 2: And I went there.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that after reviewing this, maybe he was going
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  Speaker 1: to harm himself. Um, Because he never entered the facility.
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  Speaker 1: It stayed around his car or at his vehicle, based
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  Speaker 1: on the review. And Franklin Myers came out to talk
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  Speaker 1: him out of whatever he was doing, whether that was
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  Speaker 1: entering the facility or not. And keep in mind, Sala
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  Speaker 1: said in his statement he pulled a gun.
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  Speaker 5: It's not just he walked to his car and threatened it.
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  Speaker 5: He said, the guy pulled a gun. And I'm taking
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  Speaker 5: him and.
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  Speaker 2: His word for that. It has been reported that it
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  Speaker 2: was at his car. Yeah. And it never went further
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  Speaker 2: than that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's through, I guess, the NFL review that's gone
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  Speaker 1: out to an actual reporter.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But he pulled a gun.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I took it immediately as he threatened to
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  Speaker 1: pull a gun, walked to his car. John Franklin Myers
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  Speaker 1: walked with him, talked him out of it.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't pull a gun. I think he had a gun, yes.
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  Speaker 1: He had a firearm, and clearly after review, he's clearly
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  Speaker 1: on film with it. And I think in looking back
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  Speaker 1: on it, Chad, the NFL review of this is what
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  Speaker 1: took so long from last Thursday to now because Sully
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  Speaker 1: gets into how the NFL has handled this. Again, there
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  Speaker 1: are things now that they can do for him, and
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  Speaker 1: I think the Titans did the right thing, released him.
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  Speaker 1: If you violate the NFL policy– with this. They can
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  Speaker 1: release you, no questions asked, but they do get the
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  Speaker 1: NFLPA involved. And it sounds like everyone's in agreement with
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  Speaker 1: the decision that the Titans made and whatever help that
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  Speaker 1: they're getting for him. I listened to the key words
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  Speaker 1: and thought self-harm more than harm for someone else based
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  Speaker 1: on just the words that Sala used and why he
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  Speaker 1: ended up talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think Sala is a decent guy. I do.
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  Speaker 5: I think where he's coming from with this is from
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  Speaker 5: a good place. I will also say that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we're talking about a guy who threatened a teammate and
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  Speaker 5: walked to his vehicle and in Salah's work, pulled a
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  Speaker 5: gun at the vehicle. It didn't go past that, but
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  Speaker 5: pulled a gun.
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  Speaker 2: And I.
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  Speaker 5: Want to give full credit to Robert Salah for speaking
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  Speaker 5: openly and speaking as much as he did about this.
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  Speaker 5: I also think that it's very convenient that this got
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  Speaker 5: turned suddenly from a gigantic negative about the type of
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  Speaker 5: people the Titans brought in and this issue in the
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  Speaker 5: locker room into a, hey guys, we care about mental
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  Speaker 5: health here with this organization and with the Titans. I
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  Speaker 5: think when the narrative shifted towards that, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 5: that's what Robert Salas sought to do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying that is maybe an unintended.
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  Speaker 5: Positive consequence of this that now suddenly everybody's like, boy, man,
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  Speaker 5: this guy really cares about mental health and about his players'
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  Speaker 5: mental health when this happened. I would then go back
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  Speaker 5: and say, what about J.C. Latham's actual health? In this
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  Speaker 5: whole deal, when this goes down. That's a criminal act.
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  Speaker 5: Is he going to get prosecuted? It doesn't look like
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  Speaker 5: he is. And I'm not asking for the guy to
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  Speaker 5: go to prison for this. I want him to get
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  Speaker 5: the help that he needs. He may be able to
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  Speaker 5: carry a weapon, for all I know, licensed. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it says the way the story reads is that the
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  Speaker 5: firearm did not leave the parking area.
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  Speaker 1: And the situation was de-escalated, is what it says. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to criticize Sala for anything he said.
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  Speaker 1: Because I commend him for speaking out on it for
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  Speaker 1: two minutes and saying what he said about the player
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  Speaker 1: in an incident where things were de-escalated, thank God, and
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  Speaker 1: you end up having a situation that could have been
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  Speaker 1: just awful, being something where you don't have any injuries
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  Speaker 1: from this. What I've been thinking about is, Burt Nihill
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  Speaker 1: went and did an interview with Corey Curtis, because this
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  Speaker 1: happened on Thursday, and they released this interview on Friday.
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  Speaker 1: and made comments about stability and organizational growth and everything,
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  Speaker 1: knowing that this had happened the day before. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's where I could be critical of that more than
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  Speaker 1: I'll be critical of Salah.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good point. I didn't think about the timeline
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  Speaker 2: of that. And you're right. I mean, that interview dropped
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  Speaker 2: on Friday. I'm assuming he did the interview on Friday.
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  Speaker 5: He certainly would have done it at a time where
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  Speaker 5: he knew this incident happened on a Thursday. Again, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and then the part where he gets into 31 other
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  Speaker 5: coaches can call me and I'll vouch for this guy's character.
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  Speaker 5: He's a great run-stuffing defensive tackle who's a good man
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  Speaker 5: and a good father and all these things. I don't
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  Speaker 5: think that the NFL would– if the NFL forced him
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  Speaker 5: out of the league for this violation of policy– then
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  Speaker 5: no one else could sign him. So if you're vouching
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  Speaker 5: for him, I mean, look, I think they did the
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  Speaker 5: right thing based on policy and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: And I hope he goes and gets the help that
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  Speaker 2: he needs.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm just a little bit confused about how glowing
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  Speaker 5: he spoke about this guy in Jordan Elliott and that, well,
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  Speaker 5: if you feel that way, then suspend him from the
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  Speaker 5: team indefinitely.
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  Speaker 1: Let him go get the help that he needs. Keep
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  Speaker 1: him as an active member of the team. it's not
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  Speaker 1: really going to help him to cut him and cut
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  Speaker 1: him loose right now. If you truly care about the
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  Speaker 1: guy and keep him in the fold and let him
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  Speaker 1: go and do this, if you're vouching for him for
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  Speaker 1: other teams is my point. If you just said, look,
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  Speaker 1: we want him to go and get the help he needs,
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  Speaker 1: it's a violation of team policy.
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  Speaker 2: It's cut and dry.
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  Speaker 5: Here with the Titans, we're going to cut someone if
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  Speaker 5: they have a gun on campus. And this happens.
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  Speaker 2: Our hands are tied. There's nothing we can do. That's
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  Speaker 2: one thing.
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  Speaker 5: But then when you're like, we're going to cut him,
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  Speaker 5: but you should take him. And here's why to the
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  Speaker 5: rest of the league. That part confused me a bit
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  Speaker 5: in the messaging with that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there are.
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  Speaker 1: NFL programs that he's got to go through now. He
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  Speaker 1: would go on a commissioner's list. He'll be suspended if
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  Speaker 1: he were in the league. It's an organizational decision to
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  Speaker 1: release him. But it's not like they'll just release the
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  Speaker 1: guy that brought a gun on campus and, okay, you're
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  Speaker 1: free to go.
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  Speaker 2: Get out of here. You're cut.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather them handle it like this than not based
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  Speaker 1: on whatever support they're trying to get for him instead
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  Speaker 1: of having beef with J.C. Latham as he leaves the facility.
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  Speaker 1: That's one thing. Number two, Robert Sala knows him better
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  Speaker 1: than most. I mean, he coached him in San Francisco
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  Speaker 1: as well. They brought him in through the system that
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  Speaker 1: Sala was running, knowing the player. He would be on
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  Speaker 1: my list of coaches to call if I were about
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  Speaker 1: to sign the guy. And he wasn't with the Titans.
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  Speaker 1: So I think teams would do that anyway. But, I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: if this is Jeffrey Simmons, the best player at his position,
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  Speaker 1: Are they cutting him or are they putting him in
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  Speaker 1: the program?
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  Speaker 2: He's suspended, but he's still on the roster. He's on
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  Speaker 2: the commissioner's list, suspended.
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  Speaker 1: This is a guy who has started one game, appeared
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  Speaker 1: in all five, is good against the run.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He's the role player.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably handled differently. But that's how I think any
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  Speaker 1: team would treat this. But now they've set a precedent.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't mind that they did that in this instance.
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  Speaker 1: And also, saying what they said instead of just saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we have no comment. and he's free to leave, and
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  Speaker 1: he still has beef with Latham, and have at it.
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  Speaker 2: I think they held it well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, again, but if we're going to also go
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  Speaker 5: back and say if it was Jeffrey Simmons, they wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Have cut him. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: But again, my point would be if we're truly about
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  Speaker 1: the individual and his health and everything else, then it's
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  Speaker 1: got to be either you're cutting everybody who does that
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  Speaker 1: and forcing them to go get health, Or you're going
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  Speaker 1: to keep them on the roster and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be put on the commissioner's list and they can get
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  Speaker 1: the help while on the team at that point. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it would be the same programs or whatever else.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the programs that the NFL is doing.
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  Speaker 1: He alludes to that, though, the support that the NFL
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  Speaker 1: is going to get and the way that they handle
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  Speaker 1: it with the NFLPA. I think there's a joint agreement
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  Speaker 1: there with whatever they have to do if this happens,
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  Speaker 1: like there would be with many other things that are
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  Speaker 1: on this policy, I'm sure. I don't pretend to know
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  Speaker 1: the very details of that, but it seems like Sala
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  Speaker 1: alluded to it and was there firsthand during discussions of it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'd prefer this than just that we'll have
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  Speaker 1: no further comment on the matter.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: The fact he spoke, I give him credit for. And
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  Speaker 1: he may be asked about this again. He may come
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  Speaker 1: back today and say, hey, I want to go further
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  Speaker 1: with what I said. We're concerned for J.C.
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  Speaker 2: Latham also. This is part of this, right?
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  Speaker 5: We don't tolerate someone getting into a verbal or physical
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  Speaker 5: altercation in practice and And it escalated to someone walking
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  Speaker 5: to their vehicle to go get a gun. So let's
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  Speaker 5: be clear on that, too. We're very firm against those
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  Speaker 5: type of things happening. What we heard there, though, was
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  Speaker 5: all about Elliott and all about concern about him.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Not a lot of concern about J.C. Latham that he
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: spoke about in that whole thing, right? That's where I
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: think people get the mixed messaging. I also think people
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: are responding to this in one of two extremes. It's
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: all about, boy, everything Robert Sala said, amazing mental health awareness,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: all of this.
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: And other people, it's in the YouTube chat right now.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: It's like, this guy's a criminal. This guy needs to
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: be locked up. Who cares about his mental health and
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: this and that? I do think there's a little bit
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: of both here. I like that Robert Sala said that
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: and what he said. I like that he cares about
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: him as a person.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I believe it. I buy it when Robert Salas says that.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: I also think you could be even stronger with what
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: you're saying about, but there's a zero tolerance policy here.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: We can't have him on our team now that he
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: did that on our premise.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: What he said was he's a good man. He had
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: terrible lapse in judgment. That would be a comment for
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: someone that's staying on the team, but this guy's not.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: They still got him. They did both in this. They're
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: showing support and also told him to GTFO as an organization.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I can't fault that. for the way it was handled.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And again, I'm listening between the lines here. He references
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: self-harm more than he references someone else's harm. So I
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: can't help but think about that than the other thing, which, again,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: it stayed in the parking facility. And if he has
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: a license to carry, the rule is he can't have
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: it on the campus of the Titans.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Not that he can't have it in his car. So,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, again, I don't know the details of all
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: of that, but there's no.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't sound like the fact that the
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Metro police or anybody, they weren't contacted. It doesn't sound
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: like they're all upset about that based on the reporting
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: of A to Z. I mean, look, whatever happened, whether
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: he's under some sort of, you know, welfare check right
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: now mentally or that he's under a self-harm alert or
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: anything like that. John Franklin Myers knows probably more than
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: anybody right now because he was the one who talked
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: him down and was at the vehicle with him.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: We don't know what Elliott was saying to him. In
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: all fairness, we don't.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: Know what was said there that Robert Sala is referencing
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: when he talks about something. I know what he's referencing
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: in terms of, hey, guys, there are NFL players who
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: have taken their own lives here recently. This has been
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: a problem. So my mind did go to that also
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: when he's got a gun in his car.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Totally fair.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: I think we all should agree, totally fair, that that
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: should be a concern with players in the NFL and
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: when things like this happen.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And clearly he knew to follow him out there to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: try to de-escalate something because of something he overheard in
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the locker room, right? That would be another point to
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: make in all of this. Look, we're very fortunate we're
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: not talking about something else with this story, with the
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: way that it was handled.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Thank goodness for Franklin Myers in this case.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm very interested now in the sequel to
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: all of this. Like, where does Jordan Elliott go from here?
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, I hope that he figures it out, and
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: it was just one brutal lapse in judgment, and he
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: let his temper get the best of him, and there's
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: not a lot of other underlying things going on with him.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: My assumption is that there are a lot of underlying.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Issues going on with him that would lead to something
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: like this, and he's going to have to get evaluated
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: and get the help that he needs. But I am
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: now interested in what is the next chapter of this
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: guy's life, not just football. But what's the next chapter
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: of his life? Because we've seen too many times where
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: one bad decision defines someone's entire life in terms of
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: what people perceive them to be. And that's oftentimes, I'll
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: say pretty much every time unfortunate, with the exception of
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: some truly awful things that take place. But with this,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: where no one ends up hurt, I hope he gets
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: the help that he needs. I'm glad that he's no
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: longer with the Tennessee Titans. I think the team made
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: the right decision to cut ties with him. I applaud
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: Sala for speaking. I applaud Sala for speaking. I don't
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: agree with everything he said in his message, but again.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here as someone who's been
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: so critical, and we have on the show, of the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Titans for hiding behind written statements, for not speaking, for
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: when it is time to answer tough questions, they go
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: on a damn show with Corey Curtis and Teron Davenport,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and they get softballs thrown their way in Burke-Nihill.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to sit here.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: And say, I was stunned when I saw Robert Sala
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: actually addressing it and talking about it and saying what
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: he did yesterday, because I fully expect the Titans to say,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: we'll refer to the statement. Go back to the statement
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: that was released yesterday. That's all we're talking about it
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: because it's a legal matter. They could have easily hidden
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: behind that and they didn't.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: An organization that needs leadership. I thought that Robert Sala
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: showed that in this. And for an organization that takes
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the field on Sunday, they've shown a lot more in
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: regards to this than the Cleveland Browns who will have
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson at quarterback. So, you know, there's two different
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: presidents set right there and I'm not faulting the Titans
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: for the stance they took.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: No.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And again, Kudos to Robert Sala for speaking. I disagree
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: with a lot of what he said, but I think
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: that he means what he said. Look, I disagree with
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of what.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders has to say on matters, but I've always
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: admired Bernie Sanders because.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I believe he believes it.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: He's not some paid robot that's going to regurgitate what
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: someone else wants him to think or believe. I don't
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: buy into Bernie Sanders' political policies, but I've always respected
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the guy because I feel like he's a 100% true
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: believer in everything that he is saying. He is not
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: putting on a front. He's not lying about his.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: Feelings or thoughts on anything, and I respect that. When
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: I watch Robert Sala, I feel the same way. I
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: don't think he's putting a front on. I don't think
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: he's lying.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I can disagree with him, but I can respect the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: fact that I believe he believes everything that he's saying.
• 21:47
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• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Chad, we can look at some odds on the next
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: coach fired because we know now that there's at least one.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Coach out for the first time this season. It took
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a while.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Mike Loxley. He's out with Maryland. That news coming down yesterday.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And there's several players Names and interesting names that are
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: on a list of maybe the next guy on the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: hot seat to take the pink slip and maybe not
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: even make the season complete. Well, let's first, I want
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to talk about the three guys that were initially mentioned
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to take over at Maryland, which jumped out to me.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Dan Mullen was the first name that popped up, leaving
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: from UNLV. Brian Kelly, getting back in the game at Maryland.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And then Jake Dickert.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: At Wake Forest.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I think Jake Dickert's a terrific coach, and he is
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a more with less type of guy.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: He did it at Washington State. He's doing it now
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: at Wake Forest.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: They don't spend anything compared to their rivals and what
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: they spend on that roster, and he doesn't even make
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: excuses about it.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, it's not an excuse.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: We have to do a better job of evaluating than
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: everyone else, and that's what we're going to do. We're
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: going to out-evaluate you even if we're not spending the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: money of some other schools. That sounds like a great
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: recipe for a job like Maryland. Now, you are in
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten. how much better of a job is
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Maryland than Wake Forest? With Wake Forest and the ACC?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: That's up for people to debate. That's up for how
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: much money each school is going to spend and everything else.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: But I think that's a reasonable question to ask. And
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: if you're Dan Mullen, if you can keep having success
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: at UNLV, do you take the Maryland job now or
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: do you wait for a better job to open up?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: So some questions to be answered there.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Speaking of jobs that could open up for Dan Mullen
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: or anyone else, here are the.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Odds right now of the next coach to get fired.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Mike Norvell, no surprise. The problem with Mike Norvell, Hud,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: is his team's shown a lot of fight. They had
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: a great chance to knock off number one Miami this
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: past week. They've done some good things, even though they
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: continue to lose.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Well, and this is a case of you have the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: university talking about how much debt they're in. You have
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a decision to make on the buyout. because he got
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: this contract whenever the Alabama job came open. And you
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: have to decide whether or not paying the coach is
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: too steep that you can afford to pay the coach,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: or can you afford or not afford for not firing
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the coach for the direction of your program. This is
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the top of the list just based on that and results.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: If we look at this list, Chad, let's just go
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: through it in the top five or six and say
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: yes or no if we think they're out.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Mike Norvell, yes.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: You'll eventually have someone step up and pay that ticket.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: That's always the case. They'll have someone step forward because
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they're so pissed off at the job and the fact
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that they want to win and keep up with the Joneses.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Because they're Florida State, they're on another list that we'll
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: look at coming up in the show. But, yeah, I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: say yes on this.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Lance Leipold, I feel like, just got a huge
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: extension and raise after a great start at Kansas.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't even know what the appetite for great
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: football is at Kansas half the time.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It looked like they committed. They improved their stadium.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: They have a beautiful new setup there with their football
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: facility and everything else. And I guess the thinking is, hey,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: we did all this, and now Leipold's not winning anymore,
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: so it's time to go get someone else that they
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: can bring into their new facilities, which is understandable. Dave Dorn,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: I thought, was dead the moment his quarterback wouldn't take
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: a knee properly against Vanderbilt and lost that game.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: They've done some decent things since then, shockingly. Greg Sciano
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: hasn't done anything at Rutgers in his second stint. So again,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: that's another one. It's a question of what is your
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: appetite for success at Rutgers? Have you thrown your hands
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: up and just said, guys, it's never going to happen.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: We made a mistake from a competitive standpoint joining the
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Big Ten and we can't win in this conference.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: So what does any of it even matter? I don't know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: but it's interesting.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: He's fourth on this list where I feel like Hutton,
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: he should be right there with Mike Norvell. If you're
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: looking at someone who hasn't gotten anything done at a place, right?
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Yes.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And then look at the run on 18 and 22
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to one, Mike Elko, Shane Beamer, Luke Fickle, and then
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Jeff Levy. Ryan Silverfield is there as well. At 28
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to one. Coaching for the buyout.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Great song.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, I mean, Elko, how does he handle the stretch
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: here when he's facing heat? You know, I, I think
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the way that we saw the thing go down with
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Billy's cesspool, I think to myself, Billy helped him keep
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: his job on that with how he handled it and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: didn't go after him because that was low-hanging fruit. If
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Billy took the high road, Chad, I think in most cases,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: if this is another university where the fans don't show
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: as much patience– and you don't have the sights that
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: are covering your team, show as much patience and generosity
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: in that moment. Billy released a statement saying he's going
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: to have comment later. He's going to think about things.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think most people would do that. They would
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: have buried this guy, because that's a battle he's not
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: going to win. Shane Beamer, quite frankly, if Beamer wins
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: this week against Tennessee... He's safe. I think he's safe,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: because he has an argument against Florida.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: I think they have rallied better than anyone expected. with
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: that blowout win at Florida. They're coming off a bye.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: We're going to get into that tomorrow with the top
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: ten college football games. But what are some commonalities between
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: surprising games that happen? Now, this wouldn't be a surprise
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: because Vegas actually has South Carolina favored by two and
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: a half, and I think it may have ticked up.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: To three, in fact. But Auburn, Georgia, a great example. Well,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: what happened in that game?
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Georgia just had an emotional win over Alabama on the road.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: They had gone– All these weeks without a break, with
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: no bye week, and you had Auburn coming off a bye.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Going into that game, getting ready for them, and they
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: pull off the upset.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Tennessee, South Carolina.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Tennessee's about to go eight straight weeks without a bye,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: which is a late bye in the season. South Carolina's
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: coming off their rest. They blow out Florida on the road.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: They're feeling good about it. They get a week off,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: and now they're getting ready for Tennessee. This is Tennessee's
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: last game before they get two weeks. They get the
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: week off before then going into November in the back
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: part of their schedule.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Again, I'm not saying that as an excuse.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying if you're looking for some common themes
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: of how these games happen, that could be a factor
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: in this game for sure.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: But I'm with you. I think Beamer's safe, especially if
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: they win this week. They win, for sure.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even if they lose, I don't know that
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: he's going to get fired based on what they have
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: left and games they could win.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Fickle's going to get fired. I firmly believe that.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I think he would have last year had the jobs
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: in the SEC not.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Been wide open the way they were. He should be
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: way higher on this list. I agree. I think.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Jeff Levy should be lower on the list. Lincoln Riley's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: way down this list for some reason.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if Kamario Taylor's healthy, Jeff Levy's not even on
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: this list right now.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Totally agree on that. Ryan Silverfield, I mean, I.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Think the only way Ryan Silverfield's going to be a
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: one-and-done is if there is some sort of coup that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: is orchestrated by Arkansas people that gets rid of the AD...
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that brings in a new administration and says, we're going
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to do a complete reset of the football program and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: start anew.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And after one year, it's not a huge loss. He
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: was only here a year.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: We're going to go get somebody else and rebuild this
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: thing with a different head coach. I think he's probably safe, though.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Bill O'Brien's interesting. Good start for him. Has not been
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: good since. Lincoln Riley. Dabo Sweeney's not getting fired, I
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: don't believe, anyway. Kalen DeBoer's not getting fired. The guy
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: would leave before he's fired.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Deion's going to retire before he gets fired. You're spot on.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Steve Sarkeesian I don't think is getting fired. But if
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: they lose their third straight game this week and things
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: start to fall apart with how much investment has gone
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: on in that program and how much investment into Arch
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Manning and Hutton, we know the political pressures with that
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: job in the state of Texas. I'm not saying it's impossible.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: that Steve Sarkeesian is out of a job by the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: end of the year?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: And again, he's not an easy guy to deal with.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And I understand this is just Vegas. This is not
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: actual reporting of people going. But if you want to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: look at an example of, okay, college football has jumped
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the shark in terms of expectations of fans and where
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: we are right now and job pressure for coaches, look
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: at the final two entries on that list. Kyle Whittingham
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and Matt Campbell in year one.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Come on now. Come on now. They're just taking that
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: as a flyer. I don't care what happens.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Sharon Moore had his issues with the program. Kyle Whittingham
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: inherited those. They invested way too much money in Bryce Underwood,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: who's not very good. They're already replacing him with Lloyd
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Carr's grandson to start this weekend after replacing him last week.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Kyle Whittingham is completely safe at Michigan. The only risk
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: of Kyle Whittingham not being at Michigan is if he
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: decides I'm going to retire after a year because I
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: don't want to deal with this stuff anymore.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: And Matt Campbell, the same thing. They're not going to
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: fire Matt Campbell after one year. And the next coach fired,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: which is what you would be– it would be in
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: season here. So we're looking at the top three options
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: is what I would say for what could happen realistically.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, will we see as much movement in
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: the SEC? No. Not like we did last year.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: No.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Last year was crazy. And this year, maybe a bit
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: more stability, at least for right now. I mean, Jeff Lebby, again,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: you're dead on with what they've done prior to the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: quarterback injury. No, he should not be fired. And same
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: thing in Arkansas. I mean, if we saw the walkout
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: or whatever that they had for the first game, the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: first home game where they didn't show up, that didn't continue.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Had that continued?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Maybe. With the fans not showing up and just
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: apathy towards anything they're doing. And they're just going to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: basketball games now. But Arkansas has basically declared they're a
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: basketball school. But they did that whenever they hired him.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Not when they fired him. They're not going to spend
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: money all of a sudden. They clearly showed that they're
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: just putting all their money in basketball.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: I think you're spot on with that. Also, another name
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: on the list that jumped out to me. Do you
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: remember when Sonny Dyches was playing for a national championship
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: with TCU?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Just a short time ago?
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Doesn't that feel like light years ago when you think
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: about Sonny Dykes losing.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: To North Carolina? It feels like 10 years ago to me.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Flying to Ireland and losing to Bill Belichick in a bog.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: You know, just to open the season. I'm thinking, that
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: guy played for a national championship.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: He got boat raced by Michigan, but that was not
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that long ago, and now he may get fired in season.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Brooke says, Fickle has coached his way off the hot
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: seat according to most Big Ten people. They'll likely finish
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: 7-5 or 8-4. currently 4-2 favorite in three to four
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: more games this year. 7-5 with their schedule, if that's
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: enough to keep him, good for you, Wisconsin.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: He saves it this week, probably. Good for you.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: I've got higher expectations for my Wisconsin Badgers than what
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Luke Fickle has accomplished at Wisconsin in his time there.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Crazy. We've got USC this week. But USC's been better
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: on the road within the conference.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: But again, a quick turn and Again, Fickle's trying to
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: coach his way back there. Maybe Brooks is right, but
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I felt like he was going to lose his job
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: last year had there not been so much movement with
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: all the coaches choosing to go elsewhere. They didn't take
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the dive. They didn't decide to go spend that much
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: money on coaches for the guys they wanted.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Catfish Jake says, if Bama loses to Texas A &
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: M and LSU, a good chance DeBoer is gone, and
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: there's a damn good chance that happens. They're not losing
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: to A & M at home coming off that loss
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: to Tennessee. I don't think A & M has the offense– Now,
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: that could be an uncomfortable game with Texas A &
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: M' s defense. That could be a close sort of slugfest
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: type game. But I think that game's probably like a
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: 24 to 19 type weird score. And Alabama holds on
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: and Texas A & M scores late to make it
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: look closer than it actually was. But yeah, I mean,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: if I'm picking a winner right now in Death Valley,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: LSU is going to win.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: At home over Alabama, and that's going to give them
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: a third loss on the season.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Just pondering how quickly things change. The coaches that either
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: made the playoff last year, like Elko, or the coaches
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: who have been to the playoff or played for a
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: title that are on this list quickly.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: There's not one truth.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: We're going to get into this in the next segment
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: on underachievers and overachievers. There's never just one truth when
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: it comes to a team and a coach in what
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: he's done. Alabama's a great example of this. Alabama Hutton
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: three weeks ago was God's gift to offensive football. I mean,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: they went into Starkville in a game that I picked
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Mississippi State to win and just pulled the larynx out
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: of the Bulldogs in that game. And Keelan Russell is
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: running around, dropping dimes 50 yards down the field. They're
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: doing whatever they want offensively. They're breaking records for points
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: on the road in the SEC and killing Mississippi State.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: Defense is opportunistic. They're scoring touchdowns. Kalen DeBoer, we're talking
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: about his record is better than Nick Saban's through his
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: first so many games or the same as him in Alabama.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: All those things. Two weeks later, they win one close.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Game on a controversial call that should have been a
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: pass interference that would have given them another chance to Georgia.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: And they get their doors kicked in by Tennessee.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Physically, they got whipped in that game. But two weeks
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: ago against Georgia, DeBoer's not on the hot seat. He's
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: being praised for the way he handled the player who
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: made the dumb decision to push the player that pushes opponent.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: This is your fault.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: That was the storyline. You lost the game. I love that.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: When you can see, it's.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Back to back weeks for him with a means because
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: he's got the Rocky top meal on the sideline to
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Rocky top where his face is.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: That needs to be a t-shirt. That's a, uh, that face. Yes.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Sporting state, sporting state marketing. If you're listening, uh, If
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: we get a picture of DeBoer's weird face in Neyland Stadium,
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: that would be a great shirt to sell. But yeah,
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, again, I think Caleb DeBoer's a good coach.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: I will believe he's a good coach the rest of
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: this season. But there are multiple truths about a college
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: football team in any given one season.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: What was said.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Three weeks ago about Caleb DeBoer is still true. And
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: about that Alabama team. What we know now about Alabama
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: is true. They lost a close home game to a
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: very good Georgia team. And Tennessee decided to whip them physically,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and they accomplished it. Those two things happened in the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: last two weeks. And now they've got a chance to
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: go home and beat A & M. But I am
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: with Jake. If they lose to A & M at home,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of people calling for
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: his head.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Whether right or wrong, and I think that's wrong, there's
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: going to be a lot of people calling for his head.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And it's not that Tennessee beat them. Tennessee beats them
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: at Neyland. We've seen that. It's how they lost.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: That's how Tennessee beat them. This was not a 50-yard
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: field goal at the buzzer. This was not an interception
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to seal a 24-17 win like it was in 2024.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: Jason Swain, who you had on last week, I know, Hutton,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: said this was the best win he has witnessed for
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Josh Heupel because it is not just winning. He said
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: it was thrilling in 2022 to beat Nick Saban. 2024
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: was great to win a close game. This was a
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: physical manhandling of they were telling Alabama where they're going
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: to run the football right down the middle, and they
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: did it over and over again in the second half.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: And defensively, we've talked a lot about it. It's as
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: good of a game plan and as well executed of
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: one as I can remember for any Tennessee defense. To
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: do that to that offense with Jim Knowles, it's as
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: good of a one-game sample as As I've ever seen,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: and there's been some really good Tennessee defenses over the year,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: including one that won them a national title in 1998.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: That's as good as I've seen from Jim Knowles.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: So again, Kalen DeBoer's a good coach.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Is it going to get nervy for him if they
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: lose to A & M?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: But they should not fire him no matter what happens
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: this year. Coming up, over and under achievers across college
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: football and the SEC. That's straight ahead here on Huntington Withrow. John,
• 39:43
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  Speaker 1: Right now, the 25 most expensive rosters not in the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: top 25. So looking at them, right at the top,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the most expensive unranked rosters, Oregon, Texas A & M, Michigan, Oklahoma,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Penn State. The money doesn't surprise me based on the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: competitive level of these conferences, but Chad, it's the SEC
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and the Big Ten, and these teams are, well, they
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: may have been all in two or three years ago
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: with this number, but they've kept the number right where
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: it was. They're finally reaching the level of LSU, courtesy
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: of 2024.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: We've seen the other rosters go way up.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Michigan, though, Texas A & M, Oregon, the teams at
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the top have an expectation of not just top 25,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: but college football playoff numbers. And if you start looking
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: at the bottom of the top 10, Florida State, Vanderbilt, Clemson, Auburn,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: maybe some teams that are not in rebuild mode, but
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: in a level that's not up to the standard or
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the expectation, I think is a better word, of what
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the top five looks like here.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: I think the number is either 10 or 11 of
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: programs that spend $ 40- plus million. And I believe the number
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: is one, maybe two, that spend plus $ 50 million. That's
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Texas and maybe Ohio State. On that list, it's closer
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: to 50. Oregon at $ 43 million, not being in the
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: top 25. Their quarterback got hurt, a big reason why.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: And they had a disappointing loss early at Oklahoma State.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Even at the start, they were getting out slow to
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: the gate.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: I'm surprised they're $ 10 million more than A & M
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: and that Michigan. They're $ 10 million.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Less than Oregon.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I thought that would be a little bit closer, honestly,
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: with the amount they're spending. Vanderbilt spends more than Nebraska.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: On football. Vanderbilt being this high surprised me. Yeah. 24.5 million.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: But higher than Nebraska, higher than South Carolina.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, think about the dudes on South Carolina's roster.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: They're 12th at 21 million. But you know what?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: There's only $ 4 million that separate 25th from Vanderbilt.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah. You're tight on the money there.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: What that tells me is there are a lot of programs–
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: They're just spending $ 20 million to $ 25 million for the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: opportunity to be in the top 25 and go to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a top-tier bowl. Yeah, and next year being in the
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: top 25 could get you in the playoff, as long
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: as you're not number 25. So that'll be a big
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: gain and a big difference for those teams. Clemson at
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: $ 25 million jumped out to me a little bit. I mean,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Mississippi State, you want to talk about how it's hard
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to compete and contend? $ 21 million is a lot of
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: money on a football roster.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: But when you look around the SEC and you consider
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Auburn spending $ 6 million more on their players, Vanderbilt spending
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: $ 3 million more, and you've got to contend with it's
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Mississippi State, which is not the top hot spot for
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: players to go in the SEC, makes things very, very difficult.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: And Colorado's spending at a good clip.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: For what Colorado is right now, I feel like that's
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: still a bit of the shine of Deion Sanders that's
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: getting them that $ 21.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: 5 million. I mean, South.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Carolina surprised me being this low with all the players
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: who came back. If they hit the portal, they're getting
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: paid more than what they ended up getting just based
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: on the number here.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: Louisville's another one that if they took a little bit
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: of their basketball spending.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: where.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: They're maybe the top spender or one of the top
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: spenders in the sport of college basketball. And understand, Kentucky,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: a basketball state, Louisville, a basketball school first and foremost.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: But if they could just give them a little bit
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: of that money to football, how much better they could
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: be in the ACC if they're spending more than that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, could Louisville theoretically spend $ 30 million on their roster?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I think so. with some of the money in that program.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Let's show it again. That's one to watch.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I want to just look at North Carolina. They went
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: all in with Bill Belichick, but they're not all in
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: with the money compared to other ACC schools ahead of them.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Just looking at the conference comparison, Virginia ahead of them, Louisville,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Virginia Tech. There are others. For the money, they're spending
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: $ 10 million more on their entire roster compared to their
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: head coach. You know, like that's that's the surprising part.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: They went all in with their head coach who when
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: they came in, there's going to be the NFL team
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: of it's going to be the 33rd NFL team or
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: whatever they said. Well, to me, that means more than
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: being outside of the top, the top 25 spending that
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that much money compared to compared to that of the
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: top five on this list who are not in the
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: top 25.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Well, and they went all in on Michael Lombardi, who
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: is no longer there.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: They went in on not just Bill Belichick as a coach,
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: but his staff got paid a ton and his support
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: people and everything else. That's where they invested the money
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: where I'll continue to ask the question, what's the smartest
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: route in today's college football to invest that much money
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: in the coach and the staff or to take a
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: little bit of that money from the coach and the
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: staff and reinvest it back in your roster? I think
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: it all depends on the coach and who he has
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: coordinating for.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Him to answer that question. Chad, what are we looking
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: at next?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: We are going to look at overachievers based on FPI,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Football Power Index, of rosters in the SEC from 2021
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: until now. There is a volunteer state theme to this.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: The two biggest overachievers from 2021 to 2025 based on
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: roster and the value of the roster and the players,
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: recruiting rankings, everything else. Tennessee and Vandy are both in
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: the plus column of overachieving rosters.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Over those years.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: I think about Tennessee, 2021, they definitely overachieved inheriting a
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: team under NCAA sanctions.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: 2022, absolutely overachieved.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Based on what they were expected to be that year. 2023,
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: about where people thought. 2024, about where they thought, maybe
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: a little bit better. 2025, around with the expectation. And
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: now 2026, they are exceeding expectation right now at six
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: and one. So that's a really good, this is a
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: good graphic for both Josh Heupel and Clark Lee. Now,
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: overachieving at Vandy in that 10-2 season, especially, there's various
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: levels to this because Vandy hasn't had a ton of
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: success other than the two seasons with Diego, the last
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: two years. But they still could not have a lot
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: of success and technically be overachieving. based on the talent
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: on the roster, right? So that's something to keep in
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: mind with this. Ole Miss, obviously doing a good job. Georgia,
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: even with all their talent, still overachieving.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. Look at the difference between Georgia and Alabama
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  Speaker 2: on this list.
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  Speaker 1: Well, then look at the difference between Tennessee and Florida
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  Speaker 1: on the list and the players in the state of
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  Speaker 1: Florida that the Gators still get in recruiting and the
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  Speaker 1: lack of wins that have followed with that program.
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  Speaker 2: A & M is a no-brainer. I thought A &
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  Speaker 2: M would be lower.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean, LSU, the Brian Kelly years drugged
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  Speaker 5: them down, obviously, with those numbers were their way down
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: the list.
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  Speaker 2: But found that interesting. State of Tennessee should be very proud.
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  Speaker 5: A couple of overachievers in Tennessee and Vandy based on
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  Speaker 5: metrics of talent on those two rosters and what they've
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: done each season.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up, one big thing on every NFL game to
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  Speaker 1: get you ready for week seven, already week seven for
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: the National Football League.
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  Speaker 2: Straight ahead.