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Speaker 1: How do you legally prove a murder took place when
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Speaker 1: you know you can't even prove the victim is actually dead.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's wild, right, It goes against everything we
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Speaker 2: think we know about the law, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Just think about the fundamental architecture of the justice system
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Speaker 1: for a second. We operate on this premise of physical certainty.
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Speaker 2: Right, Like a crime happens, you tape off the scene
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Speaker 2: and forensic techts come in to collect the evidence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then a conclusion is reached. The prosecution stands
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Speaker 1: in front of a jury, points to a physical reality
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Speaker 1: and basically said, hey, here it is, this is what happened,
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Speaker 1: and here is the biological proof.
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Speaker 2: But when you strip away that physical proof, when the
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Speaker 2: central piece of evidence, which is the victim themselves, is
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Speaker 2: entirely missing, the whole thing changes.
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Speaker 1: It really does. The entire legal apparatus has to operate
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Speaker 1: on this terrifyingly abstract level.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It forces the legal system to construct a reality
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Speaker 2: based entirely on the negative space left behind by a
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Speaker 2: person's disappearance. You know.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great way to put it. You're convicting
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Speaker 1: someone based on the shape of a.
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Speaker 2: Void, exactly, and that is exactly what we are dissecting today.
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Speaker 2: We're looking specifically at a highly gripping true crime narrative
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Speaker 2: that maps out this exact paradox.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's impact this. We are analyzing a very specific
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Speaker 1: piece of media today, which is a forty three minute
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Speaker 1: profile produced by the Audio Check Network.
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Speaker 2: Right from the show Crime Junkie, which was released way
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Speaker 2: back in March of twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hosted by Ashley Flowers and brit Prowad, and this
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Speaker 1: deep dive focuses on the nineteen ninety five disappearance of
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Speaker 1: a young woman named Kiplin Davis from Spanish Fork Utah.
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Speaker 2: And The Hook. Here. The reason this specific case completely
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Speaker 2: shatters our understanding of how investigations are supposed to work
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Speaker 2: is the timeline and the resolution.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we are looking at a local nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: five disappearance that just spirals into this grueling sixteen year
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Speaker 1: legal saga.
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Speaker 2: Sixteen years. Just let that sink in.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, and it ultimately ends in multiple guilty please
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Speaker 1: for murder, all while Kiplin herself remains completely unaccounted.
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Speaker 2: For, which is why the narrative choices made by the
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Speaker 2: creators of this media artifact are so crucial to analyze.
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Speaker 1: Right, because you have to fit all of that into
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Speaker 1: a short window.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, if you are tasked with telling the story
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Speaker 2: of a sixteen year geographically massive, legally paradoxical cold case
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Speaker 2: in a single forty three minute block of audio, where
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Speaker 2: you choose to start determines everything.
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Speaker 1: It dictates how the audience understands the sheer scale of
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Speaker 1: the tragedy, and their starting point is honestly totally counterintuitive.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what's fascinating here is how they bypass the
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Speaker 2: obvious beginning, right.
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Speaker 1: Because our source notes that in nineteen ninety five, Kipln
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Speaker 1: Davis goes missing from Spanish Fork Utah. But this audio
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Speaker 1: profile doesn't start in Utah at all.
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Speaker 2: No, it starts over one thousand, five hundred miles away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Through the perspective of a listener from Kentucky, it's
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Speaker 1: like throwing a stone into a pond in Utah and
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Speaker 1: watching the ripples inexplicably crash into a teenager's bedroom in Kentucky.
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Speaker 2: It's a crazy visual. This person and can Entucky was
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Speaker 2: Kiplin's high school pen pal, just going about their life.
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Speaker 1: And suddenly, out of the blue, this teenager gets a
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Speaker 1: phone call from the Spanish court police demanding answers.
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Speaker 2: Which, on the surface sounds bizarre.
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Speaker 1: Totally bizarre. I have to push back on this a bit.
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Speaker 1: If I'm a detective in Utah, why on earth am
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Speaker 1: I wasting my time calling a pen pal in Kentucky.
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Speaker 2: I mean it sounds like a distraction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't Starting with a random pen pal thousands of
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Speaker 1: miles away seem like a huge detour from the actual investigation.
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Speaker 1: Her locker, her friends, the last place she was seen,
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Speaker 1: They're all right there in town.
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Speaker 2: It looks like a detour, sure, until you look at
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Speaker 2: the mechanics of a day one missing person protocol, especially
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Speaker 2: back in nineteen ninety five.
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Speaker 1: Okay, walk me through that.
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Speaker 2: What was different then, Well, when a person vanishes without
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Speaker 2: a crime scene, so no blood, no sign of a struggle,
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Speaker 2: no witnesses, the immediate physical radius of the investigation instantly goes.
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Speaker 1: Cold, right, because there's just nothing to physically search.
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Speaker 2: After a while, exactly, the local locker in the local
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Speaker 2: friends are basically exhausted within the first forty eight hours.
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Speaker 1: Wow, just two days and you're already out of local leads.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, at that point, detectives have to pivot. They shift
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Speaker 2: from a physical search to a psychological mapping of the
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Speaker 2: victim's entire universe.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I see, and in a pre social media landscape
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Speaker 1: that looks very different totally.
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Speaker 2: A teenager's private thoughts, you know, their escape plans or
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Speaker 2: their secret relationships weren't broadcast on the internet back then.
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Speaker 2: They were documented in letters.
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Speaker 1: So the US Postal Service was essentially the nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: five equivalent of direct messaging.
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Speaker 2: That's a perfect analogy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you wanted to find the digital footprint, you
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Speaker 1: actually had to find the physical paper trail.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, the police tracking down a pen pal in Kentucky
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Speaker 2: means they were systematically auditing Kiplan's entire life.
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Speaker 1: They were looking for any stray thought right, any mentioned
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Speaker 1: plan to run away.
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Speaker 2: Right, or any secret she might have shared with a
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Speaker 2: stranger that she just wouldn't dare share with her own
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Speaker 2: family or local friends.
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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. You tell strangers things
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Speaker 1: you'd never tell.
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Speaker 2: Your mom exactly. So when investigators dial a local police
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Speaker 2: department in Kentucky to go knock on a teenager's door
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Speaker 2: on behalf of Spanish Fork, Utah, it demonstrates the sheer,
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Speaker 2: desperate width of the dragnet.
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Speaker 1: And you know, from a storytelling perspective, starting the narrative
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Speaker 1: in Kentucky acts as this amazing psychological bridge for you,
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Speaker 1: the listener.
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Speaker 2: It really does. It anchors you right away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds you that these cases aren't just isolated
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Speaker 1: bubbles contained within a specific city limit.
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Speaker 2: No, they bleed out into the rest of the country.
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Speaker 1: Right A normal person going about their day in a
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Speaker 1: completely different state suddenly finds themselves pulled into the gravity
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Speaker 1: of a homicide investigation.
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Speaker 2: It makes the story deeply personal right out of the gate.
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Speaker 1: It really does, because it makes you wonder about your
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Speaker 1: own casual connections. I mean, if someone you casually corresponded
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Speaker 1: with vanished tomorrow, would you be the one fielding a
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Speaker 1: call from a detective in another time zone.
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Speaker 2: It establishes immediate empathy. It proves that the blast radius
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Speaker 2: of a disappearance respects basically no geographic boundaries, so true.
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Speaker 1: By anchoring this nineteen ninety five disappearance to a distant
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Speaker 1: pen pal, the hosts instantly bridge the gap between a
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Speaker 1: localized tragedy and their modern, widespread audience.
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Speaker 2: But you know, while the geographic sprawl is massive. The
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Speaker 2: temporal sprawl of this case is even more staggering.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, we really have to examine the sheer
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Speaker 1: weight of time involved here.
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Speaker 2: Because the source material highlights a highly specific, devastating metric,
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Speaker 2: which is sixteen years.
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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. Kiplin's case took over
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Speaker 1: sixteen years to unfold before reaching its bizarre legal resolution.
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Speaker 2: Sixteen years of just waiting.
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Speaker 1: Right, and when you contrast that with the media we consume.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a forty three minute audio format,
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Speaker 1: it completely warps your sense of time.
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Speaker 2: It has to right, You literally couldn't process it in
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Speaker 2: real time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, This deep dive compresses a decade and a half
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Speaker 1: of agonizing, waiting, dead end's, false hope, and cold trails
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Speaker 1: into a single commute.
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Speaker 2: You can absorb the entire arc of sixteen years of
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Speaker 2: human suffering between your morning coffee and arriving at the.
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Speaker 1: Office, which is wild to think about.
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Speaker 2: This raises an important question, though, how does a community
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Speaker 2: maintain the momentum of an investigation for sixteen years?
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Speaker 1: That's the million dollar questions in't it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that compression of reality is necessary for storytelling,
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Speaker 2: but it risks minimizing the operational nightmare of a sixteen
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Speaker 2: year gap.
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Speaker 1: Let's break down the actual mechanism of time in a
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Speaker 1: criminal investigation then, because it's not just a flat waiting period.
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Speaker 2: No, not at all. A disappearance in nineteen ninety five
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Speaker 2: that isn't legally resolved until roughly twenty eleven bridges entirely
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Speaker 2: different eras.
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Speaker 1: Eras of forensic science, investigative technology, and information sharing exactly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, in nineteen ninety five, widespread rapid DNA application
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Speaker 2: for local departments was basically still in its infancy, right.
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Speaker 1: You didn't just swave a steering wheel and get a
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Speaker 1: name back the next.
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Speaker 2: Morning, exactly. There were no ubiquitous cell phones pinging towers
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Speaker 2: to establish alibis, no.
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Speaker 1: Doorbell cameras capturing street movements either. You are essentially trying
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Speaker 1: to solve a crime using analog tools.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the time you actually get traction on
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Speaker 2: the case, the entire world has digitized around you.
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Speaker 1: But it's not just the technology that changes over sixteen years,
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Speaker 1: is it. It's the people.
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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, the degradation of memory, the shifting of loyalties.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you interview a high school or
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five. They might lie just to protect a.
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Speaker 2: Friend, and that is the exact pivot point where the
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Speaker 2: passage of time actually flips. It goes from being the
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Speaker 2: defense's greatest asset to the prosecution's most lethal weapon.
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Speaker 1: Wait, really the prosecution benefits from the delay, Oh totally.
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Speaker 2: We always talk about cold cases getting harder to solve,
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Speaker 2: but the social dynamics of the suspects often get more
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Speaker 2: brittle as time goes on.
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Speaker 1: Brittle, I like that, What do you mean, Well.
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Speaker 2: A fifteen year old in nineteen ninety five will lie
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Speaker 2: to the police out of misplaced teenage loyalty or just
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Speaker 2: fear of an imediate retaliation from their peers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're terrified of being the snitch at school exactly.
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Speaker 2: But fast forward a decade, that same individual is now
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Speaker 2: basically thirty years old.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, they might have a mortgage, a spouse, kids,
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Speaker 1: a whole career exactly.
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Speaker 2: The psychological calculus of maintaining a lie completely changes.
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Speaker 1: Because the stakes are entirely different. When a detective knocks
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Speaker 1: in your door in twenty ten and says, hey, we
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Speaker 1: know you lied for your friend in nineteen ninety five,
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Speaker 1: and now we are looking at accessory to murder charges.
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Speaker 1: You aren't a rebellious team anymore.
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Speaker 2: No, you have a real life to lose now, right.
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Speaker 1: The loyalty you had to your high school buddy basically
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Speaker 1: evaporates the second your own family security is threatened.
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Speaker 2: Which is exactly how prosecutors generate momentum in cold cases.
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Speaker 2: They rely on the decay curve of an alibi.
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Speaker 1: The decay curve of an alibi. That's a fascinating concept.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're basically just wait for relationships to fracture. They
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Speaker 2: wait for marriages to end in bitter divorces where secrets
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Speaker 2: get spilled.
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Speaker 1: Or for the sheer psychological weight of carrying a li
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Speaker 1: metal secret to just exhaust a person.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, for a community to maintain the momentum of an
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Speaker 2: investigation for sixteen years, it requires relentless pressure.
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Speaker 1: Pressure from the family right to ensure the police keep
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Speaker 1: poking at those aging alibis until they finally crack.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically a war of attrition, it really is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that brings us to the resolution of this attrition,
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Speaker 1: which is honestly the most jarring aspect of the entire
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Speaker 1: source material.
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Speaker 2: Jarring is an understatement.
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Speaker 1: We transition from this grueling timeline into the ultimate legal.
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Speaker 2: Paradox, the transition from how long it took to how
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Speaker 2: it actually ended.
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Speaker 1: Right, according to the profile, after sixteen years, a group
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Speaker 1: of young men were accused of, and ultimately pled guilty
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Speaker 1: to the murder of Kiplan Davis.
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Speaker 2: But the fundamental core of the crime is missing exactly.
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Speaker 1: No one has ever found Kiplin or her remains.
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Speaker 2: The nobody murder conviction. It is one of the most
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Speaker 2: complex maneuvers in modern jurisprudence.
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Speaker 1: It feels like an impossible contradiction, doesn't.
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Speaker 2: It completely breaks the brain if you think about it
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Speaker 2: too hard.
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Speaker 1: Right, if we go back to the idea of physical
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Speaker 1: certainty we talked about earlier, this is like a prosecutor
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Speaker 1: charging you with stealing a priceless, one of a kind
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Speaker 1: painting from a museum.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I see where you're going with this.
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Speaker 1: But like the museum can't even prove the painting was
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Speaker 1: ever in the building to begin with, and the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: can't find the painting in your house, right, they can't
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Speaker 1: eve improve the painting exists at all. But somehow you
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Speaker 1: end up pleading guilty to the heist and going to prison.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy when you put it like that.
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Speaker 1: It is, why on earth would anyone, let alone multiple
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Speaker 1: young men, plead guilty to a murder if the state
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Speaker 1: hasn't even produced a body to prove a homicide even occurred.
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Speaker 2: To understand why a defendant would concede to that, we
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Speaker 2: really have to look at the legal doctrine of corpus.
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Speaker 1: Delicti corpus telicti, which literally translates to the body of
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Speaker 1: the crime right exactly.
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Speaker 2: Historically, under common law, you could not convict someone of
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Speaker 2: murder without producing the physical body because.
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Speaker 1: They wanted to prevent a sin where a supposed victim
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Speaker 1: turns up alive years after someone was executed for their murder.
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Speaker 2: Right, which actually used to happen. But over time the
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Speaker 2: courts recognize that this strict rule created a perverse incentive.
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Speaker 2: What kind of incentive, Well, it essentially rewarded killers who
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Speaker 2: were exceptionally good at disposing of remains.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, So it created a massive.
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Speaker 2: Loophole, a huge loophole.
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Speaker 1: If you could destroy the physical evidence completely, you basically
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Speaker 1: get away with it, regardless of how much other evidence
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Speaker 1: points to you.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, So the legal standard had to evolve. Today you
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Speaker 2: can establish corpustolicti using a matrix of circumstantial evidence.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so how does that work in practice? If there
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Speaker 1: is no physical body to scientifically prove a homicide, what
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Speaker 1: does the state do.
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Speaker 2: The state must build an inescapable trap of circumstantial reality.
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Speaker 2: They compile hearsay exceptions, prior bad acts, motive opportunity, inconsistent statements,
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Speaker 2: and witness testimonies.
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Speaker 1: So they just pile it all up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they build a wall so high that the absence
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Speaker 2: of the body basically becomes irrelevant to a jury.
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Speaker 1: But taking a plea deal implies they didn't even want
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Speaker 1: to risk going to a jury. Very true, which means
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Speaker 1: the prosecutors must have utilized some intense psychological leverage behind
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Speaker 1: closed doors. If there are multiple young men accused here,
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Speaker 1: this screams of a classic prisoner's dilemma scenario.
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Speaker 2: And that is the precise mechanism at play here. When
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Speaker 2: you have multiple codefendants in a circumstantial case, the state
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Speaker 2: doesn't need all of them to confess at once, No,
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Speaker 2: they just need one to break exactly. You separate them
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Speaker 2: and you create this intense psychological pressure cooker.
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Speaker 1: So the prosecution leverages that circumstantial matrix.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned, right, They sit them down and essentially say, hey,
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Speaker 2: we may not have the body, but we have enough
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Speaker 2: peripheral evidence to convince a jury to put all of
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Speaker 2: you away for life or maybe worse.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, And then they drop the hammer. The first
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Speaker 1: one to talk gets a plea deal, and the rest
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Speaker 1: of you go down for the maximum penalty.
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Speaker 2: You weaponize their own self present against each other.
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Speaker 1: That is so dark, but so effective. Even if the
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Speaker 1: state's physical case is completely empty, the threat of one
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Speaker 1: co defendant flipping is so terrifying that they all scramble
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Speaker 1: to take a plea deal.
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Speaker 2: Just to avoid life without parole.
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Speaker 1: Right, So they are pleading guilty not because the state
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Speaker 1: actually found the victim, but because the circumstantial vice grip
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Speaker 1: just got too tight.
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Speaker 2: But you know, we really need to consider the profound
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Speaker 2: cost of.
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Speaker 1: That resolution, the cost of the family.
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Speaker 2: You mean, yes, because a guilty plea offers legal finalities. Sure,
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Speaker 2: the court's process, the paperwork, the judge slams the gabble,
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Speaker 2: the defendants are incarcerated, and.
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Speaker 1: The bureaucratic box on the police whiteboard is officially checked
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Speaker 1: as closed.
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Speaker 2: Right, But what does that actually mean for the family
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Speaker 2: of the missing person.
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Speaker 1: It means absolutely nothing in terms of biological or emotional closure,
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Speaker 1: nothing at all. The legal system has processed the crime,
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Speaker 1: but the primal human question where is she? Is left
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Speaker 1: agonizingly unanswered.
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Speaker 2: It's basically a legal triumph built entirely on top of
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Speaker 2: a physical void.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the family gets a piece of paper saying someone
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Speaker 1: is punished, but they don't get the fundamental right to
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Speaker 1: lay their loved one to rest.
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Speaker 2: It leaves them in a permanent state of limbo, just
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Speaker 2: masquerading as justice.
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Speaker 1: It highlights a severe limitation in how we process tragedy
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Speaker 1: as a society. The justice system is designed to determine
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Speaker 1: guilt and issue punishment, right, It is not designed to
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Speaker 1: heal the emotional wounds of the survivors.
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Speaker 2: And when the legal process concludes without the recovery of
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Speaker 2: the victim, it creates a deeply fractured resolution.
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Speaker 1: And yet, this incredibly dense, deeply painful, legally complex, sixteen
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Speaker 1: year saga from Spanish fork Utah is currently available for
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Speaker 1: download on your phone.
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Speaker 2: Right now, wherever you are in the world.
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Speaker 1: Exactly which brings us to the final layer of this
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Speaker 1: deep dive. Today, we have to look at the massive
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Speaker 1: media vehicle that actually delivered Kiplin's story to us because we.
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Speaker 2: Have to examine the infrastructure of the crime junkie profile itself, Yeah, and.
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Speaker 1: The global true crime phenomena it represents.
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Speaker 2: We are looking at a highly optimized system for narrative
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Speaker 2: delivery here, operating under the Audio Check network Empire.
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Speaker 1: Empire is the right word for it. This isn't just
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Speaker 1: some grassroots storytelling recorded in a garage.
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Speaker 2: No, this is a highly sophisticated media apparatus.
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Speaker 1: The source material lays out the framing of this operation
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Speaker 1: pretty clearly. You have Ashley Flowers and brit Prey Watt
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Speaker 1: utilizing what they call an investigative storytelling.
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Speaker 2: Style, supported by a massive network that even offers dedicated
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Speaker 2: fan clubs for ad free listening.
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Speaker 1: Right. But the part that requires real analysis, I think
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Speaker 1: is the global distribution aspect.
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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. The scale is hard to wrap your head around.
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Speaker 1: Through RSS feeds and platforms like Apple podcasts, this forty
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Speaker 1: three minute synthesis of a nineteen ninety five Utah cold
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Speaker 1: case is translated, localized, and basically instantly accessible across hundreds
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Speaker 1: of countries.
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Speaker 2: And the mechanism of that distribution is fascinating. Because it
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Speaker 2: relies on the economic viability of true crime as an
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Speaker 2: exported commodity.
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Speaker 1: Explore that mechanism a bit. How does a local American
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Speaker 1: tragedy become financially viable in the United States, let alone
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Speaker 1: in places highlighted in our sources like Burkina, Fasso, or Cambodia, France, Brazil,
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Speaker 1: or the UAE.
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Speaker 2: It's a huge leap.
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Speaker 1: It is why does someone sitting in a cafe in
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Speaker 1: Taipei or on a train in London care about the
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Speaker 1: municipal geography of Spanish fork utah?
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Speaker 2: Because the creators have successfully distilled the highly specific legal
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Speaker 2: and procedural complexities we just discussed into universally recognizable emotional arcs.
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Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for me. How do they do
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Speaker 1: that well?
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Speaker 2: The investigative storytelling style mentioned in the source isn't just
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Speaker 2: about reciting cold facts. It's about parasocial architecture.
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Speaker 1: Parasocial architecture meaning how they build a relationship with the
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Speaker 1: listener exactly.
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Speaker 2: The hosts modulate their tone to sound like you were
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Speaker 2: just sitting in a room with a friend discussing a
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Speaker 2: profound mystery.
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Speaker 1: Right. They strip away the dry bureaucratic language of the
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Speaker 1: court documents and replace it with narrative tension.
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Speaker 2: They essentially translate the law into raw human emotion.
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Speaker 1: Ah. I see, So a sixteen year wait isn't just
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Speaker 1: a legal timeline anymore. It's a mother staring at an
18:08
Speaker 1: empty chair at the dinner table. Right.
18:11
Speaker 2: And the nobody conviction isn't just circumstantial matrix leverage. It's
18:14
Speaker 2: the agonizing frustration of a killer withholding the final secret.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yet, by focusing on those primal human elements, the
18:23
Speaker 1: geographic location basically becomes irrelevant.
18:26
Speaker 2: The story transcends Utah entirely and taps into a universal
18:30
Speaker 2: human fear of loss and injustice.
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Speaker 1: And through the technology of global RSS distribution, that synthesized
18:36
Speaker 1: emotion is instantly bounced off servers worldwide if.
18:40
Speaker 2: We connect this to the bigger picture. In the past,
18:43
Speaker 2: a local tragedy stayed local, right.
18:45
Speaker 1: It was a cautionary tale told within a specific community,
18:48
Speaker 1: bounded by physical geography.
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Speaker 2: Today, though digital platforms have turned a high schooler's disappearance
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Speaker 2: into a universally accessible piece of media, it is a.
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Speaker 1: Global campfire story, now completely untethered from its origin.
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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate paradox of modern true crime. Really
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Speaker 2: also On one hand, you have the commodification of someone's
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Speaker 2: darkest hour. We are literally consuming a family's sixteen year
19:10
Speaker 2: nightmare while we commute to work or full laundry.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it can feel a bit grim when you phrase
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Speaker 1: it like that.
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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it grants a strange, undeniable
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Speaker 2: kind of immortality to the victim.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's a powerful point. A teenager vanishes from the
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Speaker 1: physical Earth in nineteen ninety five, but because of this
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Speaker 1: massive media apparatus, her name is echoing on servers in
19:32
Speaker 1: dozens of languages all over the planet.
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Speaker 2: Right now, Millions of people who would never have heard
19:36
Speaker 2: of Spanish, fork Utah now know the name Kiplin Davis.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we consume these stories for intrigue, for education, or,
19:45
Speaker 1: let's be honest, to fulfill a more big curiosity about
19:48
Speaker 1: the darker aspects of human nature.
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Speaker 2: But in doing so we ensure that the victims are
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Speaker 2: not swallowed by the void.
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Speaker 1: The sheer scale of the media distribution acts as a
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Speaker 1: sort of counterweight to the physical disappearance.
19:58
Speaker 2: It does it keeps the memory alive on a massive scale.
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Speaker 1: So we have covered an immense amount of ground today.
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Speaker 1: Let's trace the logical through line of everything we've.
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Speaker 2: Explored sounds good.
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Speaker 1: We started with a surprising Kentucky pen pal connection, right,
20:12
Speaker 1: that realization that a local disappearance immediately demands a vast
20:17
Speaker 1: interstate psychological dragnet just to map the victim's hidden universe.
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Speaker 2: Which naturally transitioned into discussing the grueling sixteen year timeline.
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Speaker 1: Right. We examined how that temporal sprawl isn't just a
20:29
Speaker 1: waiting period, but actually a mechanical weapon for prosecutors.
20:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, using the decay of alibis and the shifting of
20:36
Speaker 2: allegiances over time to finally crack the suspects, And.
20:39
Speaker 1: That cracking point led us to the most baffling revelation
20:42
Speaker 1: of all, the ultimate nobody legal paradox.
20:45
Speaker 2: We broke down the concept of corpus delikti and how
20:48
Speaker 2: prosecutors utilize a claustrophobic web of circumstantial evidence and.
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Speaker 1: The prisoner's dilemma using that to force a guilty plea
20:55
Speaker 1: for murder even when the physical reality of the victim
20:58
Speaker 1: is entirely missing.
20:59
Speaker 2: And finally, we analyze the massive storytelling apparatus of audio.
21:03
Speaker 1: Chuck, examining how they synthesize sixteen years of localized legal
21:07
Speaker 1: and emotional complexity into a forty three minute globally distributed narrative,
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Speaker 1: essentially exporting an American tragedy to the rest of the world.
21:15
Speaker 2: So what does this all mean.
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Speaker 1: For you the listener? I think the takeaway here is
21:21
Speaker 1: a profound awareness of the mechanisms behind the media you
21:25
Speaker 1: consume every day.
21:26
Speaker 2: Definitely, when you listen to a true crime deep dive,
21:29
Speaker 2: you aren't just hearing a scary story.
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Speaker 1: No, you are listening to the friction between human tragedy,
21:34
Speaker 1: legal architecture, and digital globalization.
21:38
Speaker 2: You are participating in a system that turns local pain
21:41
Speaker 2: into global memory.
21:42
Speaker 1: Which leaves us with a critical lens to view not
21:45
Speaker 1: just this specific case, but the entire justice system as
21:48
Speaker 1: a whole. The hosts of the show present the guilty
21:51
Speaker 1: Please as the resolution to.
21:53
Speaker 2: The narrative, but we have to question the very nature
21:56
Speaker 2: of that resolution.
21:57
Speaker 1: I'm listening. Where does it leave us?
21:58
Speaker 2: Well, we discussed how the state utilize circumstantial leverage to
22:01
Speaker 2: force those young men to plead guilty. The gabble came down,
22:05
Speaker 2: the paperwork was filed, and the bureaucratic machine declared the
22:08
Speaker 2: case closed.
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Speaker 1: Right, the box is checked.
22:10
Speaker 2: But when the legal system checks the box of guilty,
22:13
Speaker 2: while the physical reality of the victim remains entirely unaccounted for,
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Speaker 2: and the family has denied the biological closure of laying
22:20
Speaker 2: their child to rest, Has justice actually been served? Wow
22:23
Speaker 2: or as assigned? Plea deal and a prison cell merely
22:27
Speaker 2: a bureaucratic illusion of closure, a sterile legal construct designed
22:31
Speaker 2: to mask a wound that the system is entirely incapable
22:34
Speaker 2: of healing.
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Speaker 1: An illusion of closure that is a brilliant and unsettling framing,
22:40
Speaker 1: because ultimately, you can use circumstantial evidence and plea deals
22:43
Speaker 1: to build a sprawling, legally binding house of justice, but
22:47
Speaker 1: if you can't find the victim, you are still forcing
22:49
Speaker 1: a family to live in an empty room. Take that
22:52
Speaker 1: thought with you today, keep questioning the structure of the
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Speaker 1: stories you hear, and we will see you next time.