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PASTOR'S WIFE MICA MILLER: ENHANCED 911: WHISPERS HEARD BEFORE TRIGGER PULL? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: The shocking shooting death of pastor's wife, Micah Miller, reignites
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  Speaker 1: tonight as enhanced 911 call footage before her suicide is revealed.
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  Speaker 1: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us. The feds
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  Speaker 1: indict a Myrtle Beach pastor, preacher John Paul Miller, after
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  Speaker 1: the shocking death of his young wife.
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  Speaker 2: Robinson County, number one, what's the address of your emergency?
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  Speaker 3: I'm about to self-end. I just want my family to
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  Speaker 3: know where to find me.
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  Speaker 4: In Jesus' name, in Jesus' name.
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  Speaker 5: We were told so many conflicting scenarios of what happened
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  Speaker 5: that day.
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  Speaker 6: Nothing added up.
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  Speaker 5: For her to drive an hour and a half into
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  Speaker 5: the middle of nowhere makes absolute zero sense.
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  Speaker 7: She's survived by her husband, the pastor at Solid Rock Church.
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to have you stand up and I'm going
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  Speaker 8: to make an announcement. My wife has passed away. I
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  Speaker 8: told them for years this would happen. I said if
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  Speaker 8: she gets off her medicine, suicide is the next thing.
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  Speaker 9: He is lying.
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  Speaker 7: This case has been eating me up because I know
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  Speaker 7: there was foul play.
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  Speaker 10: I know that she... did not kill herself.
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  Speaker 1: That from our friends at Netflix Philippines tonight, the suicide,
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  Speaker 1: the alleged suicide of a beautiful young pastor's wife, Micah Miller.
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  Speaker 1: That investigation is reignited. Number one, her husband, John Paul Miller,
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  Speaker 1: is headed to federal court on cyber-stalking charges against his wife.
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  Speaker 1: We've been able to document 14 phone calls she made,
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  Speaker 1: Micah made, to police about stalking, about harassment, about her
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  Speaker 1: fear leading up to her death. And tonight, enhanced sound
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  Speaker 1: of her 911 call.
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  Speaker 10: What does it reveal?
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  Speaker 1: So many people refusing to believe that she committed suicide
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  Speaker 1: all on her own.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Why is this still lingering as the case reignites? It's
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  Speaker 1: partially because of a Netflix documentary. Listen.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, look!
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  Speaker 6: Oh, you make me cry and I gotta go to work.
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  Speaker 6: I know, it's gorgeous. I love this rain. Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 6: Love it so much. I can't wait to get the
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  Speaker 6: veil on. Out of nothing to me.
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  Speaker 11: Father, state of South Carolina, and almighty God, I pronounce
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  Speaker 11: you husband and wife.
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  Speaker 6: You can kiss your.
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  Speaker 12: Bride.
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  Speaker 6: I'll be yours 100%. 100% of my encouragement.
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  Speaker 4: 100% of my.
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  Speaker 6: Efforts to make your dreams come true. 100% of everything
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  Speaker 6: that I am I.
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  Speaker 3: Give to you.
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  Speaker 9: I promise to always support your enthusiastic personality.
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  Speaker 6: I promise to remain faithful, loyal, and encouraging to you.
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  Speaker 1: That from our friends at Netflix as part of their
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  Speaker 1: three-part documentary, The Pastor's Wife. That's a documentary in real life.
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  Speaker 1: John Paul Miller's heading back to federal court as 9-1-1
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  Speaker 1: enhancement is going down. I want you to listen very
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  Speaker 1: carefully to the original 911 call. But first, straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Jennifer Wood joining us, Director of Research, Fitz News.
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: We knew about Fitz News for years, but they really
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  Speaker 1: shot to the forefront of the national consciousness during the
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  Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch double murder investigation and trial and trial. I
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  Speaker 1: will be seeing you, Jennifer, for the retrial as soon
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  Speaker 1: as that begins. Jennifer, it's hard to keep all of
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  Speaker 1: your cases straight, but I'm telling you, the Micah Miller
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  Speaker 1: suicide has taken on a gargantuan dimension now because there's
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  Speaker 1: more focus on what happened. What is happening right now, Jennifer?
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  Speaker 9: So right now, John Paul Miller is awaiting trial in
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  Speaker 9: federal court. That looks to be scheduled right now to
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  Speaker 9: begin October of this year. There's been, I believe, six
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  Speaker 9: delays by his defense team. And that's for charges of
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  Speaker 9: cyber stalking and lying to federal investigators. Neither of those
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  Speaker 9: charges are tied to her death at this point.
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  Speaker 1: The stalking, however, she's the victim in that case. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: that right? The alleged victim?
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 13: She is.
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  Speaker 9: And the police reports that we obtained for our reporting
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  Speaker 9: right after her death, this showed a pattern of stalking,
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  Speaker 9: of harassment, and of nothing being done by local authorities.
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  Speaker 9: It is one of the most frustrating stories I've ever
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  Speaker 9: worked on because this woman was reaching, she was crying
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  Speaker 9: out for help, and very, very little was done on
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  Speaker 9: her behalf.
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  Speaker 10: Straight out to Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Dottie Owens, joining us out of Boise, former medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: and coroner for Ada County, now at Dottie Owens Consulting,
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  Speaker 1: and she consults with coroners and medical examiners all over
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  Speaker 1: the country. Dr. Owens, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: I find it very unusual that this guy who's paralyzed,
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  Speaker 1: he's a war vet, that somehow He manages to get
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  Speaker 1: himself paralyzed at the bottom of a pool and dies.
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  Speaker 1: But my question to you is, it was closed, and
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  Speaker 1: then suddenly, enigmatically, it's reopened. How often does the coroner
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  Speaker 1: or medical examiner reopen a case that's already closed, and
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  Speaker 1: why would they do that?
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  Speaker 12: You know, to be really honest, it's not very common to,
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  Speaker 12: for cases to be reopened. And usually that only will
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  Speaker 12: happen if there's new information that warrants reopening and reviewing those,
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  Speaker 12: you know, the case details in that case. It's not
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  Speaker 12: very common.
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  Speaker 10: Not common at all, Dr.
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  Speaker 6: Owens.
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  Speaker 1: In all my years investigating and prosecuting homicides, I rarely
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  Speaker 1: saw a case reopened.
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  Speaker 10: It's very odd.
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  Speaker 1: So there must be compelling evidence to reopen the case. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Regina Ward joining us, attorney for Micah Miller. Regina, who
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  Speaker 1: is the woman that John Paul Miller married about a
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  Speaker 1: year after Micah's death?
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  Speaker 10: What is her name?
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  Speaker 14: Her name is Susie Skinner, and that's her husband that
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  Speaker 14: was found at the bottom of the pool.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, tell me about him. What was the nature of
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  Speaker 1: him being? Why was he in a wheelchair?
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  Speaker 14: It's my understanding that he was actually in an automobile accident,
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  Speaker 14: and that's where he sustained all of his injuries.
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  Speaker 6: And it's also when he went.
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  Speaker 14: To rehab for that, that that's where he actually met Susie.
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  Speaker 14: So he was already in a wheelchair and paralyzed when
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  Speaker 14: she met him before they even got married.
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  Speaker 1: And when it came out that he had allegedly, Regina,
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  Speaker 1: committed suicide, Was the thinking at that time because he
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  Speaker 1: learned his wife was having an affair with a younger man?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, that was the understanding.
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  Speaker 14: And I'm not sure about the age difference.
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  Speaker 10: And who was that younger man?
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  Speaker 14: That's John Paul Miller in True Fashion, one after the next.
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  Speaker 1: Revolving door, revolving door.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, I'm getting to the 911 call.
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  Speaker 1: We're just drinking from a fire hydrant tonight because so
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  Speaker 1: much is breaking in the Micah Miller suicide investigation.
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  Speaker 10: Now reignited. I'm going to play that 911 call in
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  Speaker 10: just one moment.
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  Speaker 1: But hey, Eric Faddis, founder of the law offices of
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  Speaker 1: Eric Faddis, former prosecutor, now criminal defense attorney. Faddis, it's
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  Speaker 1: never good. When your client, a.k.a. John Paul Miller, is
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  Speaker 1: going to federal court on two federal counts, one of
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  Speaker 1: them lying to the feds.
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  Speaker 10: You know what? That's why we have the fifth. So
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  Speaker 10: you don't have to start.
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  Speaker 1: His congregation may have just sucked it up with a straw,
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  Speaker 1: but the feds ain't playing.
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  Speaker 10: The feds ain't playing, Faddis.
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  Speaker 1: And now the other suicide has been reopened, Faddis.
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  Speaker 15: Federal charges are serious without question. One charge I see
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  Speaker 15: missing from there is murder. He is not alleged to
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  Speaker 15: have killed Micah Miller, at least at this stage. And
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  Speaker 15: I note, too, on the cyberstalking, they've got to prove
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  Speaker 15: that Micah Miller had a fear of death or serious
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  Speaker 15: bodily injury as a result of the cyberstalking. Unfortunately, without
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  Speaker 15: her testimony, you know, there's the confrontation clause. He's allowed
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  Speaker 15: to confront witnesses against him. She cannot testify against him.
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  Speaker 15: I'm not sure how the prosecution meets that element. I
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  Speaker 15: don't know how strong these federal charges really are.
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  Speaker 1: So Eric Faddis, I love the way you always look
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  Speaker 1: at the bright side. So in your mind, the only
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  Speaker 1: bright side to the federal stalking and lying charges, the
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  Speaker 1: only bright side is, hey, they didn't charge him with murder.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 16: Okay.
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  Speaker 10: And you're also saying she.
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  Speaker 1: Never exhibited fear of her husband, Pastor John Paul?
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  Speaker 16: Miller?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, I hope you're sitting down.
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  Speaker 7: Privately, Micah Miller tells her sister she is afraid of
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  Speaker 7: John Paul Miller, going so far as to tell her sister,
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  Speaker 7: Sierra Francis, if I end up with a bullet in
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  Speaker 7: my head, it was JP. two days after John Paul
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  Speaker 7: Miller is served with divorce papers, the body of Micah
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  Speaker 7: Miller is found in Lumber River State Park in North
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  Speaker 7: Carolina with a bullet in her head.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true, Regina Ward, that she, Micah Miller, told
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  Speaker 1: her sister, if I am found dead with a bullet
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  Speaker 1: in my head, I didn't do it, he did it?
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  Speaker 6: That's right, she did.
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  Speaker 14: She not only told her sister, but she told her
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  Speaker 14: best friend and I think someone else from the church.
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  Speaker 6: So She had said that more than once.
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  Speaker 1: So, Eric Faddis, your claim that she had no fear
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  Speaker 1: of him, for Pete's sake, he's facing federal charges of
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  Speaker 1: cyber-stalking her, telling her he would put partially nude photos
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  Speaker 1: of her online, post them. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: he admitted to that. He admitted he did that to
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  Speaker 1: his wife to ruin her chances of ever working at
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  Speaker 1: another church again. How can you say she wasn't afraid?
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  Speaker 15: Oh, just to be clear, I did not contend that
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  Speaker 15: she was not afraid.
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  Speaker 10: Did you just stutter?
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  Speaker 15: I think you were talking over me.
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  Speaker 14: Because you don't know what to say.
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  Speaker 15: Because it's true. What I'm saying is that she probably
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  Speaker 15: did have that fear. She probably did have that fear
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  Speaker 15: of him. But the realities of the courtroom are much
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  Speaker 15: different than the realities outside of the courtroom. In the courtroom,
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  Speaker 15: hearsay evidence is not admissible. Out of court statements are
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  Speaker 15: not admissible. You've got to bring a witness in to
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  Speaker 15: testify about this stuff. And I'm not sure there is
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  Speaker 15: a witness who can give admissible testimony regarding what Micah
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  Speaker 15: Miller said out of court years ago. the court's probably
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  Speaker 15: not going to allow that. So how do you prove
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  Speaker 15: that fear? That's really what I was getting at. It's
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  Speaker 15: going to be hard to prove that fear based on
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  Speaker 15: the rules of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Eric Faddis, I really respect what you just did
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  Speaker 1: because that would be a maneuver that you would use
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  Speaker 1: in court and it may be successful. It's called the
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  Speaker 1: hearsay rule and there are over 20 exceptions to the
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  Speaker 1: hearsay rule.
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  Speaker 10: What is hearsay? Someone told me X.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't that come into evidence? Because it cannot be cross-examined.
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  Speaker 1: That person that first said it is not there to
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  Speaker 1: be cross-examined. Under the Sixth Amendment, you have a right
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  Speaker 1: to cross-examining witnesses brought against you that is specifically stated
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  Speaker 1: in the Constitution. That is why hearsay is disallowed. But
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  Speaker 1: isn't it true, Regina Ward, that there are over 20
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  Speaker 1: exceptions to the hearsay rule, such as dying declaration? That's
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  Speaker 1: typically a statement that you make close to death. There
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  Speaker 1: are exceptions to showing excited utterance. Excited utterance is an
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  Speaker 1: exception to the hearsay rule. That sounds a great deal
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  Speaker 1: like an excited utterance to me.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, not only that, it's a present sense impression, which
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  Speaker 14: is also another exception. So someone can testify as to
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  Speaker 14: what their impression was.
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  Speaker 6: Of her statement.
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  Speaker 14: And so there are ways to work around some of that. Plus,
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  Speaker 14: there's a lot more to it than just what Micah said.
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  Speaker 14: She left a trail of evidence that can be authenticated
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  Speaker 14: by others that's not her.
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  Speaker 10: To Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Gerilyn Utter joining us, clinical psychologist specializing in psych evaluations
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  Speaker 1: and assessments within the criminal justice system, author of Mainlining Philly,
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  Speaker 1: author of Aftershock, How Past Events Shake Up Your Life Today,
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  Speaker 1: and producer and star of Utter Nonsense. It's a documentary
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  Speaker 1: exploring severe mental illness.
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  Speaker 2: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Gerilyn, here's the thing. If you were suddenly told, hey,
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  Speaker 1: remember all those nudie photos I took of you way
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  Speaker 1: back when? I'm going to post them and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to destroy you. You will never work as a shrink again.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: Who wants to go to a shrink that posts naked
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  Speaker 1: photos of themselves online? I'm going to make you look
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  Speaker 1: so bad you'll wish you never met me. Okay, that
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  Speaker 1: would scare me. I would be very concerned. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: know what to do. And that is what he allegedly
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  Speaker 1: told her.
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  Speaker 10: So these claims, she wasn't afraid.
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  Speaker 1: It's BS.
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  Speaker 17: I mean, I think it's absolutely BS, Nancy. And a
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  Speaker 17: couple of things to bring to life. Number one, it's
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  Speaker 17: called coercive control. JP, her husband, is also her pastor.
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  Speaker 17: So he's coercively controlling her by threatening her and scaring
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  Speaker 17: the bejesus out of her. And he's saying to a
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  Speaker 17: woman whose identity is rooted in her religion. She was
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  Speaker 17: a very faithful woman.
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  Speaker 6: She was a very religious woman.
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  Speaker 17: And he's saying to her... In no mixed words, hey, if,
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  Speaker 17: you know, I'm going to take these pictures and I'm
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  Speaker 17: going to blast them all over the place and you'll
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  Speaker 17: never be able to be part of a religious community again,
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  Speaker 17: which is something that she held so close to her identity.
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  Speaker 17: And so we have coercive control there as far as
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  Speaker 17: he's concerned. The other thing that we have that he
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  Speaker 17: possesses is he's considered to be a spiritual leader. So
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  Speaker 17: now you're taking someone who has an authority over her
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  Speaker 17: just by sheer nature of his position, spiritual leader, husband,
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  Speaker 17: and now you're talking to a woman that's significantly ingrained
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  Speaker 17: in her religion. It's part of her identity.
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  Speaker 6: So fear.
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  Speaker 17: is just, you know, is at the top of the
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  Speaker 17: list for her. But also let's talk about how confused
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  Speaker 17: she was, how it really damaged her mental health. She
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  Speaker 17: was completely lost and scared, and she felt like she
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  Speaker 17: had nowhere to turn because every time she turned to
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  Speaker 17: the authorities or to folks, she didn't get the help.
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  Speaker 17: And also one very other important thing is her mental
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  Speaker 17: health and the state of her alleged mental health, because
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  Speaker 17: we don't really know a lot about that, was weaponized
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  Speaker 17: against her again from her husband, who is trying to
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  Speaker 17: control and manipulate her. So at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 17: you know, listening to everyone and looking at everything, you
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  Speaker 17: have somebody that started to feel very helpless and hopeless
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  Speaker 17: because she was significantly abused by JP, who was her
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  Speaker 17: husband and supposedly a pastor, a man of God.
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  Speaker 1: You are seeing video and photos from Solid Rock Ministries
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  Speaker 1: where Miller was a pastor.
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  Speaker 10: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. I'm not a shrink like Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Gerilyn Utter. I'm not a medical doctor like Dr. Dottie Owens.
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  Speaker 10: I'm not an investigative reporter like Jennifer Woods. But I
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  Speaker 10: know what I'm seeing. And I want you to.
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  Speaker 1: See Pastor John Paul Miller, reportedly his first sermon after
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  Speaker 1: Micah's death.
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  Speaker 6: It just got.
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  Speaker 18: Stranger and stranger from there.
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  Speaker 10: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's from Zed Amart on TikTok. Faddis, did you see that?
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  Speaker 1: He's totally jamming. He's like tearing it up.
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  Speaker 15: Thoughts?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, he's getting after it in there. And it's not
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  Speaker 15: the reaction we would expect. You know, folks have to
• 17:46
  Speaker 15: put food on the table. You can't just pause your
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  Speaker 15: entire life for an indefinite period of time when something
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  Speaker 15: tragic happens. You know, I don't know what was going
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  Speaker 15: on inside of his head, but he was the front
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  Speaker 15: and the face of this large congregation. And so he
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  Speaker 15: could have taken some time off. He chose not to.
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  Speaker 15: He chose to do what apparently he loves to do best,
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  Speaker 15: which is sort of be this perceived charismatic pastor and
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  Speaker 15: lead this big congregation. I'm not sure that that's a crime.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't ask you if it was a crime, Faddis.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are a multitude of things he could
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  Speaker 1: have done. He could have preached a sermon on grief.
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  Speaker 1: He could have preached a sermon on how Christ dealt
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  Speaker 1: with disappointment and grief and mourning. He could have preached
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  Speaker 1: a sermon on finding strength from your Holy Father after
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  Speaker 1: a death of someone close to you. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: a million things he could have done, but let's just
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  Speaker 1: take a tiny peek at what he did do.
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  Speaker 4: We just got stranger and stranger from there. That from
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  Speaker 4: our friend Zed Amark on TikTok. Okay, let's get down
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  Speaker 4: to the facts as we know them right now.
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  Speaker 6: We know, Jennifer Wood, that.
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  Speaker 1: John Paul Miller is headed back to federal court. We
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  Speaker 1: know that the seeming suicide of his new wife's ex-husband,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the paraplegic, has been reopened for further investigation. Now we're
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: hearing an enhanced 911 call from Wynn Michaels.
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  Speaker 10: Was killed. Am I missing anything? I've got a funny
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  Speaker 10: feeling I am.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, nothing about Micah's last day has ever
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  Speaker 9: made sense to me. You know, I went to Myrtle
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  Speaker 9: Beach and I drove to followed her last steps the
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: entire day from the pawn shop to the Lumber River
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  Speaker 9: State Park. And I can't make it make sense. I
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: don't know if it ever will, but she left her
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  Speaker 9: apartments with just enough time to get her shift to
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: a shift at work in her uniform. She packed herself
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: a lunch for work and somewhere between the drive to
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: her restaurant where she was working She turned into a
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: pawn shop and purchased a gun and went up to
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: a state park in North Carolina that we've got no
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: indication she's ever been to before.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to some of
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: what we've learned in the Netflix documentary, The Pastor's Wife.
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: Micah told me multiple times, don't call me before 11
• 21:04
  Speaker 13: unless I call you first. John Paul does not like
• 21:08
  Speaker 13: it if I get out of bed before him, so
• 21:11
  Speaker 13: just don't call me. I'll call you first in the morning.
• 21:13
  Speaker 13: I was like, well, that's weird and unhealthy.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: She had, I.
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: Would say, max three hours to hang out. Right around
• 21:21
  Speaker 13: the two-hour mark, he would call her.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Dr. Gerilyn Utter joining us, renowned clinical psychologist. So she
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: had to lay there and pretend to be asleep. That
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: was from our friends at Netflix. She had to lay
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: there and pretend to be asleep until he woke up.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: There's something wrong with that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 17: If that's not control, I don't know what is. I mean, again,
• 21:46
  Speaker 17: if you watch the film, there are so many examples
• 21:50
  Speaker 17: like that. You can't get up until I get up.
• 21:53
  Speaker 17: You can't be out with your friends. Once you hit
• 21:55
  Speaker 17: the two and a half, three hour mark, he starts
• 21:57
  Speaker 17: to call. I mean, He wanted to control every aspect
• 22:01
  Speaker 17: of her being. Again, we're looking at something called coercive control.
• 22:05
  Speaker 17: Just because a man is not beating you physically and
• 22:08
  Speaker 17: putting his hands on you or a partner does not
• 22:10
  Speaker 17: mean that you are not victim to significant, significant abuse.
• 22:15
  Speaker 17: And he controlled every aspect. Not only that, he also
• 22:18
  Speaker 17: used religion to manipulate her. This was a person who
• 22:22
  Speaker 17: was invested in her faith. And she's trying to follow God.
• 22:25
  Speaker 17: And he's using scripture. He's literally using scripture and quoting
• 22:29
  Speaker 17: scripture to basically say, you must follow me. You must
• 22:32
  Speaker 17: obey your husband. There's actually sermons of him preaching, talking
• 22:36
  Speaker 17: about how you have to give your husband the sex
• 22:39
  Speaker 17: that he needs so that he doesn't become tempted outside
• 22:41
  Speaker 17: of his marriage. There's just so much manipulation that took
• 22:46
  Speaker 17: place as far as psychological manipulation that it's It's so disheartening.
• 22:50
  Speaker 17: And you can see the physical wear on her face.
• 22:53
  Speaker 17: I mean, you could see how she was upset. I mean,
• 22:55
  Speaker 17: there was records of her taking testosterone to keep up
• 22:58
  Speaker 17: with his sexual appetite.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, it just goes on and on and on.
• 23:02
  Speaker 17: It was so emotionally and psychologically abusive what she went
• 23:06
  Speaker 17: through leading up to her passing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 16: There was a knock on the door one day. It
• 23:11
  Speaker 16: was a florist delivery person. And he said, there'll be
• 23:16
  Speaker 16: one every day this week. And Micah said, I don't
• 23:20
  Speaker 16: want any more flowers delivered here from John Paul. He
• 23:24
  Speaker 16: managed to continue to harass her with a constant barrage
• 23:28
  Speaker 16: of texts, telling her that she wasn't being biblical, that
• 23:32
  Speaker 16: she was going against God's will. He had tried to
• 23:35
  Speaker 16: contact her 53 times within a three-hour period.
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: And he says, did Micah share with you her phone number?
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: Would you mind telling me which number? I'd like to
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: know if it was her burner or not. and I'd
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: like to know as to what level she trusted you.
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: And then he follows up with, the police ask me
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: as well. They're investigating the death, even though it all
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: points to suicide. He is trying to take access of
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: every communication she could have possibly had with any person
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: so he can end her narrative and start his narrative.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: That from the new Netflix documentary, The Pastor's Wife. It's
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a three-part documentary on Micah Miller's death. Grandiosity. Controlling behavior.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Controlling even the phone calls and the texts that she
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: got in return. Controlling what time and how she got
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: out of bed. Was her death her own decision?
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: J.P.
• 24:40
  Speaker 14: Miller.
• 24:40
  Speaker 19: Had this grandiose behavior over Micah. He preyed on her weaknesses,
• 24:46
  Speaker 19: shot her down, and then built her back up and
• 24:48
  Speaker 19: shot her down again. Made her feel she wasn't good enough.
• 24:52
  Speaker 19: Made her feel like he could make other people think
• 24:54
  Speaker 19: and feel about her the way he wanted them to
• 24:57
  Speaker 19: think and feel about her. He made her feel like
• 25:00
  Speaker 19: he was all she had.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: She doubted herself. She doubted her image.
• 25:04
  Speaker 19: She felt like she wasn't good enough, and that is
• 25:06
  Speaker 19: exactly where he wanted her.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: That from our friend TheGoChristine on TikTok. Many believe that she,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Micah Miller, did not commit suicide, at least not on
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: her own.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like Micah was lured to where she was found.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I just have a gut instinct that she did not
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: do this to herself.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I think something happened. Somebody killed her and tried to make.
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: It look like a suicide.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: I believe she bought the firearm for protection. For her
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: to drive an hour and a half into the middle
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: of nowhere makes absolute zero sense.
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: Interesting.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Interesting points. Did she commit suicide all on her own?
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: That from the brand new Netflix three-part documentary, The Pastor's Wife.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to the actual 911 call.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Robinson County 911, what's the address of your emergency?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Hi, are you able to trace the location of my phone?
• 26:21
  Speaker 14: Let me see.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: You don't know where you're at?
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: A national park.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Where's the park located at?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: In....
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Fair Bluff. I have my location on, I think, on
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: my phone. I find my phone is on. I just
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: did my share of my location.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Lumber River State Park.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I am.
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: Tell me what's happened.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I'm about to kill myself. And I just want my
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: family to know where to find me. Okay, ma'am.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Just listen to what I'm saying, okay? Let me make
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: sure I got the exact location where you're at, okay?
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: Just one minute.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Regina Ward called me crazy, but did the dispatch person
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: ever try to talk her out of killing herself? Or
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: was she just like, hey, let me get that location
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: where you're about to kill yourself?
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: And it really shows the lack of training for that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 14: I think myself and everyone else thinks the first thing
• 27:44
  Speaker 14: you say is, oh my goodness, why would you ever
• 27:46
  Speaker 14: even want to do that? Or what's happening? Or what's
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: going on that's got you feeling this way while you
• 27:52
  Speaker 14: keep them on the line talking and talking and talking
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: while you're pushing the button to send out first responders
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: to go save this woman's life? I also wanted to
• 28:01
  Speaker 14: say too about with regard to Micah, she tried to
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: so many times get the proper help like through call
• 28:09
  Speaker 14: and law enforcement, et cetera. And all of these things
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: failed for her primarily because there's no law in the
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: state of South Carolina that defines coercive control abuse as
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: a form of abuse. And had that law been changed
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: back in 2020, where coercive control abuse tactics is actually
• 28:28
  Speaker 14: included in the law, then he could have been held
• 28:32
  Speaker 14: accountable for that. And so it's very, there's no doubt
• 28:36
  Speaker 14: in my mind that Micah would still be alive today
• 28:39
  Speaker 14: if that law had been enacted. And maybe she would
• 28:41
  Speaker 14: still be alive today if that call, the 911 dispatch
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: person had been trained properly. But of course, you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 14: that's an overwhelming phone call to receive. And it's easy
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: to sit here and say, well, I would have said,
• 28:54
  Speaker 14: what's going on?
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: What's happening? Tell me, you know, talk to me. But
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: maybe that's just me.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I want to look back at his first sermon after
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Micah's death.
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: I got a call late last night. My wife has
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: passed away. Yeah, it was self-induced and it was up
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: in North Carolina.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: In the middle of my life.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: It just got stranger and.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: Stranger from there.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to confirm that his announcement that his
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: wife was dead was the same day he was tearing
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: up the keyboard by looking at his appearance and his
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: shirt and the background. And yeah, it looks like it was.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And that's from TikTok Z-A-Mark.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Dottie Owens is joining us, former medical examiner, Ada County,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: founder of Owens Consulting to coroners and medical examiners across
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the country. Dottie, while the one body, the suicide of
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: his current wife's ex-husband, the war vet.
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: Is reopened.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: If Micah's body was exhumed. What would the coroner or
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: medical examiner be looking at as far as trajectory path
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: or anything else to suggest this was not a suicide?
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: You know, honestly, if they were to exhume her, that
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: would be the first thing that we would look for
• 30:51
  Speaker 12: would be trajectory. We really don't know. I'm what happened
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: in regards to that. I didn't see a whole lot
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: of investigation, you know, pertaining that. So that would be
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: one of the first things we would look at. And
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: then a full toxicology panel, definitely on her.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Dr. Dottie Owens, I just recalled, there cannot be an exhumation.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: There cannot be any further investigation of, regarding suicide or otherwise,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: because she was cremated. Whose decision was that, Regina Ward,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that she be cremated?
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: Well, of course, it was her surviving spouse, and he
• 31:31
  Speaker 14: had excluded her family from seeing her body. By the way,
• 31:34
  Speaker 14: there was a toxicology report done. I had actually called
• 31:38
  Speaker 14: it there to North Carolina and asked about that myself.
• 31:42
  Speaker 14: And I also had a phone call with John Paul
• 31:45
  Speaker 14: Miller about him. It basically cremating her. And I was like,
• 31:51
  Speaker 14: are you going to get an autopsy done? He's like, no,
• 31:54
  Speaker 14: he goes, I don't understand why, why that would even
• 31:56
  Speaker 14: be necessary. And I said, well, because it'll give you
• 31:59
  Speaker 14: more answers about that, about her death and the circumstances or,
• 32:03
  Speaker 14: you know, whatever the situation was.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: And he's like, no, no. I don't think we need
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: to do that. I don't see the reason for doing that.
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: So anyway, because he was our legal spouse and there
• 32:14
  Speaker 14: had not been any orders issued with regard to their separation.
• 32:20
  Speaker 14: And he went to work immediately to exclude her family
• 32:24
  Speaker 14: in every kind of way with regard to that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Just total disrespect.
• 32:28
  Speaker 14: The same old control, manipulation, harassment, controlling the narrative all
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: the way past her death, you know.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: It just never, ever, never, ever, never, ever stopped.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Never.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: And, you know, Regina, you have worked so hard for
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: MICA's law to be enacted, but Eric Faddis, you see
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: problems with it?
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: You know, I do.
• 32:50
  Speaker 15: I think that this issue needs to be addressed, but
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: we've got to be careful in terms of how we
• 32:54
  Speaker 15: do that legislatively. When you look at the examples of
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: course of control listed out in MICA's law, some of
• 32:59
  Speaker 15: them are problematic. You know, one of them is monitoring
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: your partner's time. Well, that could be construed rather broadly.
• 33:07
  Speaker 15: You know, people might have a partner who's not great
• 33:09
  Speaker 15: with time management, that they're not punctual to family gatherings.
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: And so, you know, being on top of that person's
• 33:15
  Speaker 15: time management, that's course of control. Another one is repeated insults. Well,
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: I don't condone insulting your partner, but I think there
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: might be a First Amendment issue that could arise. with
• 33:25
  Speaker 15: some of these examples. So we got to be very
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: careful in terms of how.
• 33:28
  Speaker 18: Any such law.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Are you actually saying, Faddis, that abuse, verbal and emotional
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: abuse is protected by the First Amendment? I thought I'd
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: heard it all when I found out you could burn
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the flag or say the F word. But now you're
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: saying spousal or any type of verbal or emotional abuse
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: is protected by the First Amendment.
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: Did you just say that? Because if that's your complaint,
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: it ain't flying.
• 33:51
  Speaker 15: I think if a partner were to call their partner
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: an SOB or something like that, that is probably protected
• 33:58
  Speaker 15: speech of the First Amendment, whether we like it or not.
• 34:01
  Speaker 15: And so is that also coercive control such that it
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: rises to the level of a crime if other requirements
• 34:06
  Speaker 15: are met? I think we get into problematic territory there.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: death of Micah Miller, the pastor's wife, Please call FBI 803-551-4200.
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: Repeat, 803-551-4200.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: And I want to stress, as of tonight, Micah's death
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: has been ruled a suicide with no contributing factors by others.
• 34:28
  Speaker 10: We wait. as justice unfolds.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And tonight, we remember an American hero, Trooper Chad Wolf,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Michigan State Police, just 38, killed in the line of duty,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: leaving behind his wife, Erin, and their children, Autumn, Micah, Corbin,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and Colton. American hero, Trooper Chad Wolf. Thank you to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: our guests, but especially to you for being with us.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, signing off for tonight, but I'll see you
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night. And until then, Good night, friend.