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If I Murder My Family Can I Still Get My Inheritance? · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Meran.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're gonna be talking about melowtonin Dreams, Terry.
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  Speaker 2: Gross, Sorry, all our all.
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  Speaker 1: Our crazy ex boyfriends, deportation, flights in America, the Insurrection Act,
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  Speaker 1: your Last Will and Testament, and all the questions from
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  Speaker 1: my d ms stick around, sit your ass down. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I just totally trip. I just fell
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  Speaker 1: into the studio. I just found out that I got
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  Speaker 1: Jerry duty, I got jury.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like to They're not gonna You're not gonna want him.
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna want it. They're not no, no, no, But seriously,
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  Speaker 2: they're not going to want you. I hope not because
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been a paralegal in thank God, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how many years. And anytime they've ever asked, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, have you has anybody ever been like a
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  Speaker 2: lawyer or whatever? And I'm always just like and they say,
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  Speaker 2: get the fun out, and they're like, how long has
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  Speaker 2: it been, and I'm just like, you know, it's been
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  Speaker 2: a really long time and it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Comment below all the way is that you got out
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  Speaker 1: of jury, Judy, because I need your help I'm calling
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  Speaker 1: to the to the community, the girl lies, the dolls,
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  Speaker 1: the divas, the boots on the ground, tell me exactly
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  Speaker 1: how to go.
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  Speaker 2: I think you need anyone's help. I think if you say,
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  Speaker 2: they're not gonna want you.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna sit down for both legs behind my
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  Speaker 1: head and I'm gonna say you can't do that here.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that you are an attorney and the fact
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  Speaker 2: that you are, like your social media always talking about it,
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  Speaker 2: I would lead with that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, I'm whatever happens here, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: yell about it on social media. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: to my podcast podcast about me.
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  Speaker 2: It's just don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Because here's the t I have a hearing that day,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm going to court and then I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: jury duty an hour later in the same in the
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  Speaker 1: same Yeah, I've got to go to It's like a
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a calendar reset for a judge. It's
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  Speaker 1: a criminal charge. So I'm in I'm in the same
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  Speaker 1: friaking building. So I'm just gonna go downstairs. I mean, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'll probably know the judge, I'll probably know the prosecutor.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly think this is like, don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't worry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to I'll film and TikTok. I'll try and
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  Speaker 1: update everyone on social media. I'll film going going to
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  Speaker 1: social media, going to Jerry duty, see what they say.
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  Speaker 2: How are you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I feel like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's been it's been a crazy start to the week.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's been like a little bit. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's a weird week to be an immigration lawyer in
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  Speaker 1: America right now.
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  Speaker 2: I think generally, I think it's weird to be, you know,
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  Speaker 2: an American in America right now. But I can imagine
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  Speaker 2: that if you are somebody where this is like the
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  Speaker 2: work that you do, then it's insane. It must be insane,
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like I'm crazy, is what it is?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing like what do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like it is insane and it's busy, but like it's
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  Speaker 1: been in it's always been insane, So I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's been a decade. I have like good boundaries with it.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say that, like I think about this
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  Speaker 1: is such like a stupid way to describe it. But
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  Speaker 1: Tony Collette talks about her role in Hereditary where she
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  Speaker 1: had Did you see that movie? No, big horror fan.
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  Speaker 1: I love horror movies. I do, and I scare the
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  Speaker 1: crap out of myself, and then I get scared and
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  Speaker 1: I can't sleep.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of not being its self hard, Amaya tell me
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  Speaker 2: your thing, But I gotta tell you about my Melissa
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  Speaker 2: doesn't sleep story and what this doctor said to me
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  Speaker 2: the other day.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, can you just tell me? Just kive me? Then?
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  Speaker 1: What did you say?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? So I have had a lot of trouble sleeping,
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  Speaker 2: and none of the things are working right, like over
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  Speaker 2: the counter stuff isn't working anymore. For a long time,
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  Speaker 2: I was taking I was taking like benajol, like chicklists.
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  Speaker 2: And then finally I heard, but you can't do that,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear it through my TikTok that I made. No,
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  Speaker 1: I made a video and I was like, Everyone'm so
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  Speaker 1: worried about venonel. But have you ever taken a ben
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  Speaker 1: adroom because that shit knocks me out. If I take
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  Speaker 1: a benadrome gone for two days, well, I mean out
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  Speaker 1: of office.
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  Speaker 2: You don't understand, like when you cannot sleep, Sure, it
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  Speaker 2: impacts everything. It makes me cranky and bitchy and like,
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  Speaker 2: do you.
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  Speaker 1: Have like a conup in his annex or something anything.
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  Speaker 2: So I have not yet tried anything prescription. Where trying to.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to. I've been trying to do this naturally.
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  Speaker 2: Then I started taking like sleep gummies and that worked
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  Speaker 2: for a little while, and then it stopped working. Then
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  Speaker 2: I also and then I was like combining all these
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  Speaker 2: things like Michael jacksoning myself. And so I.
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  Speaker 1: Will say when Melissa walked into the studio this morning,
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  Speaker 1: shopunder bag and a handful of pills fell out, started
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  Speaker 1: crawling around on the floor screaming, crying where are my dollies? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was it was bad. It was a real Judy
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  Speaker 1: Garland moment, just to get her in the seat.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other thing is like, so melowtonin right,
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  Speaker 2: did you know that it gives you weird dreams?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, the hat man comes out of the ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, everyone's starts.
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  Speaker 1: I did not, Oh my god, everyone in the studio
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  Speaker 1: is not no Melotone.
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  Speaker 2: I was alone. I did not know this. The dreams
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  Speaker 2: are not bad dreams, they're weird dreams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like watching the opening sequence to American Horror story.
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  Speaker 1: Anytime I take a melatonin it's like I start hearing
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  Speaker 1: the creepy music it is, I start seeing things. It's
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  Speaker 1: spooky dookie, And I was listening to an MPR show
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  Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a Terry Gross girly love Terry.
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  Speaker 1: She was talking to a doctor who was saying melatonin
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  Speaker 1: is good, and like it's like point zero zero two
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  Speaker 1: five is all you need. Is like the only study
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  Speaker 1: you need for melatonin to actually work. It is such
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  Speaker 1: a small dose, and like the minimum dose in America
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  Speaker 1: is like ten milligrams that you can buy from this store.
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  Speaker 1: So we are all taking like way too much melatonin
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  Speaker 1: and we shouldn't been doing it, is what they were saying.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but the thing is okay, So if that's the case,
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  Speaker 2: then then that dose of melatonin was not helping me sleep, right.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was just fucking it was just so hard.
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  Speaker 2: So so I was talking to my primary care physician
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  Speaker 2: and I was just like I can't sleep. She's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I want you to go do a sleep study. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: no problem.
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  Speaker 1: So interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't do the study yet, but I had
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  Speaker 2: that first meeting with the doctor and she's asking me
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  Speaker 2: questions and this was a telehealth.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 2: Any questions she should not be questions. And then she
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  Speaker 2: says to me, you know, she says to me to
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  Speaker 2: hold one nostril, breathe on one side, do it on
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  Speaker 2: the other side. Right, Okay. There's a reason why she's
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  Speaker 2: asking me to.
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  Speaker 1: Do okay, because there's a line of blow in front
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  Speaker 1: of you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so so then she says to me, let
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  Speaker 2: me see your tongue. Right, so I have my laptop.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's just a lady at the zoo. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like a lady at the fucking circus that Melissa
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  Speaker 1: walked up and it was not it was not a doctor.
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  Speaker 2: She says to me, let me see your tongue. So
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  Speaker 2: I kind of like bring my up. You don't have
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  Speaker 2: to do that. She wants your laptop in because I'm
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  Speaker 2: like what, So I stick out my tongue and then
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  Speaker 2: she was just like, yeah, you know, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: send you this machine to see if you have sleep
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  Speaker 2: apnea because you have quite a wide tongue.
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  Speaker 1: So, Mike, it's the guy from Kiss. It's like.
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  Speaker 2: Who got who got? In the notorious shitty interview with
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  Speaker 2: Terry Gross.
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  Speaker 3: Did he it's it's rolling around on the internets and
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  Speaker 3: Terry Gross and she reads him fulfilled and she's.
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  Speaker 1: Got It was so good.
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  Speaker 2: So then I been talking with my friends, Andrea shout
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  Speaker 2: out to Zann and I said to her. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do this sleep study. She's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: because she's also having trouble sleeping. So I said to her,
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  Speaker 2: my doctor says to me that I've got like a
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  Speaker 2: fat tongue.
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  Speaker 1: Did Andrea show you her tongue?
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  Speaker 2: No tongue emojis since then, that bitch and she just
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  Speaker 2: like fat. And I was just like, the doctor didn't
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  Speaker 2: say I had a fat tongue, but that just that
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  Speaker 2: I had quite a wide She's like, no, when I
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  Speaker 2: tell it, it's going to be that a fat song.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to get the sleep apnea thing and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Why can you document it for me? I got to
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  Speaker 1: see you with all the electrodes that what is it?
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  Speaker 2: That a hand thing?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I hate that And it's disposable, which makes me very
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  Speaker 2: concerned about all the medical trash that we're getting. She
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  Speaker 2: was just like, oh, it's disposable. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: is it plastic? And she was like yes, And I was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, do you remember when we were it was like
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  Speaker 1: the start of the pandemic. It was like still April.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Hanks still wasn't clear with COVID and he still
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  Speaker 1: had it, right, he still had it. And we had
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  Speaker 1: like ads on the radio. I remember listening to podcasts
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  Speaker 1: and hearing ads of like nurses begging people for like
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  Speaker 1: masks and gloves and stuff. Do you remember that we
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  Speaker 1: like didn't have anything. No, it was crazy. That just
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  Speaker 1: reminded me of that. Why just we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: like medical waste, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like doctors, nurses, medical professionals were like reusing masks. Do
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  Speaker 2: you remember also during the pandemic sort of everybody was
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  Speaker 2: getting like mask acne.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were getting like a line around their face.
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  Speaker 2: Like yeah, that was Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into a sidebar. We've got a lot to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. It's every day feels like it's been a week,
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  Speaker 1: a week condensed into eight hours. But we've got plenty
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  Speaker 1: of news to cover, so stick around, all right, So
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: this is Cydebar. We're going to jump into what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in the courts, what's happening in the what's going
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  Speaker 1: on this week? I was saying, it's a weird to
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  Speaker 1: be an immigration lawyer, but I had a client who
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  Speaker 1: people haven't reaching out to me a lot about this,
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  Speaker 1: and I actually would rather just address it on the
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  Speaker 1: show because I can't respond to everyone. But people are
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  Speaker 1: asking about what do you do if you get called
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  Speaker 1: to a USCIS appointment, like hey, you're going to get fingerprinted,
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  Speaker 1: or you get a request for evidence and you've got
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  Speaker 1: like an active asylum case, Like what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: Because what's happening is people are going we just we
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  Speaker 1: just saw it in the headlines. A New York City
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  Speaker 1: council person got arrested at like a routine immigration Did
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  Speaker 1: you see this? Did? Yeah? So people are being asked
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  Speaker 1: to attend these routine appointments and in a normal world
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  Speaker 1: under any other administration, and people don't want to go
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  Speaker 1: to their appointments anymore.
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  Speaker 2: So do you blame them?
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all, And especially because like council people
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  Speaker 1: are getting arrested at these immigration appointments, and those are
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  Speaker 1: like prominent public figures, like we have Mom Donnie speaking
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  Speaker 1: out every day about making sure that we release this person.
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  Speaker 1: So people are going to these appointments and they're not
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  Speaker 1: coming home, and it's like they're trying to comply, right.
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  Speaker 1: These are the rule followers. These are the people who
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  Speaker 1: are trying to do it right. They're trying to do
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  Speaker 1: it the legal way that came in. They're filing, they're trying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to get my lpr R. And then
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  Speaker 1: I go to the appointment and R permanent residence and
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  Speaker 1: they and they don't. They arrest them right then and there.
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  Speaker 1: So my client reached out to me and was like,
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  Speaker 1: I got this weird random request to get fucking fingerprinted.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like, we already did your fingerprint. I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at it. I'm looking at it in the case
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  Speaker 1: in the file right And anytime they want, like it's
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  Speaker 1: called an R if you have request for evidence, they
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  Speaker 1: submit it through a special system and I get notified
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  Speaker 1: as this person's lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm all right, did you get notified
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  Speaker 2: that they need?
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  Speaker 1: I did not get notified. So they contacted my client
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  Speaker 1: and said you have to come to this office in
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  Speaker 1: Queens for an appointment, and it's a USCIS office. Bitch.
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  Speaker 1: I went instead of my client, I went to the appointment.
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  Speaker 1: I went to the appointment. I said, what do you need?
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  Speaker 1: What are you looking for? Oh well, we missed a finger.
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  Speaker 1: I said, okay, because I'm looking at all ten on
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  Speaker 1: the documents, so which one is it? Oh well, we
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  Speaker 1: really need to talk to your client. You know. It
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  Speaker 1: just started to become like the uh A game of excuses,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, okay, great, what is it you need
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  Speaker 1: to ask my client. I'm happy to have them submit
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  Speaker 1: a written declaration answering whatever your questions are. And so
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  Speaker 1: I started pulled a power move, not just going but
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  Speaker 1: also I kept referring it back to the courthouse. So
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  Speaker 1: this is what I did. I said, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: let me know, submit it through the system, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell the judge. I'll tell the judge and the attorney
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  Speaker 1: for the agency, the DHS attorney the information you're seeking.
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  Speaker 1: Because the attorneys are like four people above the officer
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  Speaker 1: I'm dealing with. So I'm saying, great, submit it and
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell your boss's boss's boss what it is. And
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  Speaker 1: they kept being like, oh, well, where's your client? We
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  Speaker 1: need to touch your client. I advise my client, I said,
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  Speaker 1: do not be at home while I'm at this appointment.
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  Speaker 1: Go to a friend's house, go to the office, go
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  Speaker 1: where I don't be at the house because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what they're going to do, so I said submit
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  Speaker 1: it through the system. Still don't have a request. Still
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  Speaker 1: don't have a request an RFI in the system. It
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  Speaker 1: is so clear that these are ploys to get people
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  Speaker 1: into an office, so it's easy for them to arrest them, snatched,
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  Speaker 1: and you're screwed either way, right because if you don't go,
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  Speaker 1: then they're going to see you didn't comply.
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  Speaker 2: With the But if you do go, if you you
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  Speaker 2: and they send you anywhere, apparently.
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  Speaker 1: Yes they don't. Oh yeah, and that's intentional, that's by design.
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  Speaker 1: They send you anywhere so that you don't have access
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  Speaker 1: to your community, You don't have access to an attorney,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have access to people you know, your family
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  Speaker 1: can come and visit you. It creates financial barriers for
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  Speaker 1: people to come and see you. I have clients who
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  Speaker 1: get sent to Colorado. They don't know anyone to call it.
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  Speaker 1: There are high elevations and they don't know like what
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  Speaker 1: the is actually crazy because detention centers are intentionally designed
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  Speaker 1: to be far away from city centers. They are not
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  Speaker 1: in the midtown, right, they are upstate New York. They
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  Speaker 1: are in West New Jersey, like, they're not near a metropolis,
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  Speaker 1: so it's harder for attorneys to access these people. So
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  Speaker 1: like this is like by design, like.
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  Speaker 2: This if somebody has been and remember everyone, while Michael
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  Speaker 2: is a lawyer, he is not you're a lawyer, So
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  Speaker 2: talk to your lawyer about this sort of thing. However,
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  Speaker 2: I do have a question for you. So is it
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  Speaker 2: okay if you were my attorney and I was asked
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  Speaker 2: to exactly what you did for your client? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's okay if the client doesn't go, but the attorney
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  Speaker 2: goes in their place.
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  Speaker 1: That is I'm not willing to tell everyone to do that,
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  Speaker 1: like that is not a risk and willing to take.
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  Speaker 1: But but I was willing to take it for my
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  Speaker 1: client given their particular situation. I said, why don't I
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  Speaker 1: go and do a little bit more fact finding here?
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  Speaker 1: You're not currently being held inttention, so the likelihood of
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  Speaker 1: them immediately departing you if you don't do something they want,
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  Speaker 1: okay is lower because they just don't know where you
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  Speaker 1: are exactly. Okay, So that was how I handled it.
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  Speaker 1: But getting I'm getting increasing reports people reaching out to
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  Speaker 1: me through my DMS, through my link tree. Hey, I
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  Speaker 1: was asked to go to my husband boyfriend was asked
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  Speaker 1: to go to this thing. They never came home.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: Which leads us to your algorithm as showing I think
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: we've got a lot to talk about in the headlines
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  Speaker 1: right now. I don't know if you are, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: not hearing a lot about deportation flights.
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  Speaker 2: I have, okay, but I think only as it relates
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  Speaker 2: to the Haitian community. Right It's like the the rumor
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  Speaker 2: mill about what they're doing. I don't know that it's
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  Speaker 2: actually happening, but my understanding is that they're like they've
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  Speaker 2: got all these chartered flights and they're shipping people off.
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  Speaker 2: I have don't know if it's yeah, do you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I don't know if it's.
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  Speaker 1: Most of my clients are detained and I've only had
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  Speaker 1: I mean Knockwood and this. I'm not like bragging, but like,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: only one of my clients in the past couple months
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: has been actually removed from the US. Everyone else's remaining
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: and detention. Okay, whether that's because I'm doing legal work
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: for them or not, it remains to be seen. But
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: usually what happens is people get moved to Louisiana and
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: that's where the staging happens before they're removed to their
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: home country.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: When people get deported. Because I feel like this administration
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: is different than others right in the past, would they
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: just put you on a commercial flight and send you
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: or would they sort of charter a flight and put
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: sort of all the people from El Salvador would go
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: to El Salvador and then dump them versus what might
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: be happening.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: It's very opaque, like they don't release a lot of information.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: The public has pressured certain airlines. I think a Vello
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: is the airline that the public like pressured them into
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: stopping deportation flights. It's a South American airline.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Oh gotcha, gotcha.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the spirit of South America.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's really comfortable.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: People really pressured them into and it worked, which is
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: why I made a video on TikTok about let's all
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: tag the companies that support ice contracts. I mean, that
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: really is one way to fight back, because boycott and
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: stop supporting companies that support, you know, deportition of migrants.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I wanted to say about the deportation flights, I think
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that I'm not hearing about them because the private prison
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: system is the goal, like lining the pockets of the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: private prison system, of the companies that are getting those
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: federal dollars from DHS. Like big beautiful bill went through, right,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: and all that money went to fund these contracts. A
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: lot of it went to prisons, and so those beds,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: they make more money off of migrant staying in the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: US in a deportation detention center then they make from
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: the flight sending them home. So not only are the
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: flights getting canceled because the companies aren't going to run
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: the flights anymore, or people are protesting and pressuring the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: companies to not run the flights. It's more lucrative for
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: those private companies.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Except that who's paying those companies is the federal government. Yes,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: and I thought that immigrants, illegal immigrants, undocumented people are
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: sort of a blight on the United States and that
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: they cost the United States money. So they've got these
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: prisons that are charging. Do you see what I'm saying,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: that are charging?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, I get what you're saying, but I'm thinking, like
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: who owns shares in those private companies lays in office.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: And we understand that their mo is to lie to
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: the American people, except that that doesn't make any sense.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean like that?
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Yes? I think, yes, you're right, it doesn't make any sense.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes it untrue though, Okay,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's like very much a myth that like
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: immigrants are costing the American people tax.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Done, I understand, but that's what they're saying.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Of course, yes, And I'm saying what they're saying isn't
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: necessarily what is actually reality.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: No, we know that it's not. But if they are
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: trying to make the American people believe that immigrants are
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: taking their jobs and they're using resources, and that's why
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: we're trying to get ridden.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: But what those people who want that and believe that that,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the Trump base. Yeah, all they're seeing our
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: ice officer busting down door, dragging person by ponytail into van.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: We don't see what happens on the other side of
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the end, and they don't care in their minds that
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: person is now gone. What I'm saying is from what
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I'm witnessing and what I'm reading about in the news,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: A lot of those people are still here in beds,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: costing American taxpayers a lot of money that then goes
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to private prison. So that is that's what I'm seeing.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There was this interesting thing Governor Hokel
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Did you see this? She was like, we are New
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yorkers could sue ICE under her new plan. She's like
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: trying to roll out this plan in twenty twenty six,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: so it's like it's on her like, you know, like
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Barbie Dreamhouse. Her like vision board is
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that New Yorkers would be able to sue ICE for
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: if they are like assaulting them or doing anything that
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Like there needs to be some sort of accountability for
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the individual officers. So that could be something that we
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: see New York do that other state's model.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Do ICE as an entity or the individual ICE officer?
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I think bolth So that was she did her like
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: State of the State speech last week, and they covered that,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: which I thought was really interesting.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: We can talk about the Insurrection Act because Trump said
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: he wanted to invoke the Insurrection Act.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I did see. I did see that, actually.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Which is insane. The Insurrection Act of eighteen oh seven
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: is a rare and powerful US federal law that allows
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the president to deploy military inside the United States. So
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: it includes active duty troops but also the National Guard.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: And it's to respond to insurrection, rebellion, or domestic violence
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: when normal law enforcement can't maintain order when federal laws
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: are being obstructed.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: So it's an exception to the general rule. And I
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: love this posse. What is this possy Comatatis Act?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's I love that, And that forbids using military
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: for domestic police. Okay, because it's only been it actually,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it's only been invoked a couple times in American history.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: It was during the La Riots, but there was yeah, yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: born it was. I was very young.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Ok.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: What was it like though?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I mean I was in New York, so I don't I.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Know, but like what was it?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Crazy?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: It was? It was insane. You're like glued watching TV.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And I think I feel like that might have been
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I don't remember which came first, the La Riots or O. J. Simpson,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: but like those are the things that sort of stand
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: out to me.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I think LA Riots came first. It was like nineteen
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: ninety two or ninety three.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Oh then yeah, and I so, yeah, I was really
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: young can remember being like absolutely glued to the TV
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and like talking them with both my friends, like what
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the fuck is going on? This is crazy? And I
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: also remember like there was there was this truck driver.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: He was a white truck driver who and I forget
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: it was in downtown Los Angeles. It may or may
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: not have been in Compton, I don't remember, but he
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: was driving. He got to the middle of the intersection,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people pulled him out of the of
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: his of his truck started to beat the absolute crap
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: out of him. There's we can find the video somewhere.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: And it was like my reaction was to be like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I can't believe I missed this. But I was four,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: so it was like I think I got a pass.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I can't believe I missed this
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: is crazy. Where was this?
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Huh?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Whose nap time?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: No nap time for you.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: But I didn't miss the OJ. I saw the truck.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I watched the truck driver and oh yeah, a core
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: childhood memory. Okay, yeah, that's why I got into the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: courts in the first place.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: That's no reason why he got into the courses, because
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: you watch your dad get perp walks out of a museum.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: It's to touch one, touch the painting.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: He touched one, Rauschenberg, I will tell.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: You even I don't know why. I don't remember where
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I was when I was watching the Riots, but I
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: do remember where I was when we were watching the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: o jasonson thing. I was in a bar at a
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: pool hall with a friend and my boyfriend at the time.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Pool hall, pool hall. Wow, I know, billiards. Can you
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: hustle and pool No? I can't, Okay, but your but
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: your boyfriend at the time, Yeah, he was. He and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: we stayed his name for the record, or is it.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: We don't have to use his whole name, but call
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: him Cliff. We love Cliff.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: That's a cute name. What was his deal?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: He was a good dude.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: It just broke up. Are you okay?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I did want to I'm all right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Messages from my ex boyfriends have reached out to me
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: since the show. Actually, I got to do a sidebar
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: on this, Michael. I know.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I told you.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: It's well because Mom, if you're listening, turn this off
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah might uh uh.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I've got a lot of ex boyfriends, man, Like I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: was busy in my twenties, so like the the people
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that I not that I forgot about, but that I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: haven't thought about in a long time.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Well because and not even in necessarily in a bad way,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: because we've moved.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: On, right, some of them weren't a bad way. Like
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it didn't end well, And if I do run into you,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to you.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah you don't see them?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But then to reach out to me and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, like do I even give him the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: New York time? Yeah? Sure, fuck it, let's do it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: This guy I was dating reached out to me and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: he was like we were really we were dating for
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: a long time, like we were very close. And he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: reached out to me and he was like, hey, I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: just want to let you know. First of all, coming
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: in hot, it's been at least fifteen years, it's been
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: a long time. I just want to let you know.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: First of all, how did you get this number? Second
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of all, how dare you?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Then? Let me let me let you know?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: He says, I'm so happy to see that you finally
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: found your thing in life that makes you well.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: You and I were together, you were I was.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Like, oh okay, noted bitch, Like this thing that I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: built that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Is definitely earrings off, vaccine kind of stuff.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Get out of you, which I said, You've got the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: right bitch to put you in the wrong motherfucking place. Listen,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I'm from Long Island, honey, I was born in a
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: tanning bed. I will fuck you up, so I said. So,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I of course called my friend, you know her. I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: won't say her name. I called her and I was like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: this bitch, and she took me down. She was like,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: no review is better than a bad review. Do not
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: respond to this person. Yeah, don't give them. Pretend like
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you don't even have the same because.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: They obviously reached out to you to needle you. Oh,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it's very different if somebody if somebody's like, hey, I
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: saw that you're doing this thing. Good for you, hope
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that you're well and we're moving on right.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see an X of mine doing something in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the public space. I am too busy leading a wonderful
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: life that I'm very pleased with to reach out to
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that person and be like hey, and like retread old
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: tea the fact that like, clearly he has nothing going
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: on because he's like watching my up fifteen years later.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not that good in bed like it's not maybe.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: But so you know what's really interesting, I will say,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: oh man, this is not the same. God here, what
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: is it again? At least twenty years ago now because
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: mother has lived at This guy that I used to
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: go out with every year on my birthday sends me
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: a message and it's always and it starts out the
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: same way, Happy birthday, Oh my god. I hope that
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you're doing well. And I don't know why. I always
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: forget what happened the year before, and I'm like, wow,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that's nice.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: You forget. It's all you're taking.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's shocked and he you know it's but like,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: this is not an opportunity for you and I to
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: reminisce about the time that we fucked, Like I don't
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: want to go off to you. And it's so weird.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my birthday is not about us talking about the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: years ago.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. And so again, so I so I
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: told I tell my friends Ann and she's just like,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you put it on him, and I'm like you did.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: But it's so it's so weird to me, like what
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: what what do you want?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I know? And then when that happens, I start thinking,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what did I do that night two am
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and Saucilyito, what was happening?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: It was that biker gang and sauce Alito, what was
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I doing?
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like what was did I just something different?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Like it was?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: But I just find it so fascinating, like because because
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: like my other ex boyfriend, Clip, who's such a decent guy,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like we exchange you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: greetings on our birthdays and we you know, you keep
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: it clean, right, happy birthday. I hope you're doing well.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: How are your kids? How's your husband doing?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So sweet?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Super super nice? He came to my dad's funeral, like,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: so sweet, such a.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Good do was there? You didn't introduce me?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: He you went to the wake, he came to the service.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, And.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Like my mom was happy to see you. Clip was
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: happy to see Clip. Like it's but like it's so
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: fascinating to me how there could be that kind of
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: person and this other motherfucker, Like like it's bizarre.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: It's passit that our judgment and sexual partners can spend
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: such a spectrum, right of like the nice guy who
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: comes to Thanksgiving and kisses your mother on the cheek
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and then this mother.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: But I think, I really think that everybody has that person.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Sure, the guy on the chain gang.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, or you know, I always feel like I mean,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is for like men, but
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like every woman has a man in their
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: past that is the man who made them crazy, Like
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: that was the guy, Like that is the guy that
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: pushed you to a place where you have never been.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And I am I am dead as there is there
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: right like, no, no, no, there is every woman as
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: a man in her life who was the one that
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: you were Like, I think I'm going crazy. I am crazy.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I'm about to step five to this motherfucker's house, Like
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: there is something that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: My friends had a guy's car on fire?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yes you did.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, get it, girl, get it guys. You
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: keda guys, Melissa, that is so nineteen ninety two of you.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It was ninety ninety It was king a car.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, she's like, my mom can't watch this. My mom
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: can't watch.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: That's why they have keylas fobs now, because Melissa me,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: everyone's car.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I had a friend of mine who literally it was
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: it was not me, but I was her lookout. I
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: had a friend of mine who took a drill to
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: a guy's car.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: One you were the look.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: Look this coordinated the he had a he had a
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Navy blue Ford probe.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Not even that's like a car that a drill isn't
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: even the drill is more expensive than the car. Is
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a pinto What was this?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: She took a drill to his probe?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: That would get you what? That would get you covered
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: under the Insurrection Act. Let's take a brobe. My god,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: this is under oath. We're going to do a deep
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: vibe into into some hot topics. Melissa actually programmed this
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: entire segment. I have no idea what we're going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: talk about.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: She wants to talk about Lauren Bobert giving a hand
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: job to a guy at Beetlejuice. Did you see that?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: You remember that, I will Mifeel will always stand on
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Bobert's neck about that hand job. She's throwing neck in
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the front row of fucking Beetlejuice.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: And here's the I can't believe right, wait you wait,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: this is the thing like you go somewhere, go to.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: The bathroom, at least like my god, doing a car.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Sit there the front first of all.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Of all the shows, of all the shows, to just
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: give a reach around to you choose, you choose. It
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: didn't even get good reviews. I'm sorry it didn't even
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: do that. Well, it closed pretty quickly. Well well no,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I mean they were joining it, joking it in the front.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Interest.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: It was so bad that it was like, you know what,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: let's do, let's throw down, right, I will. I will
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: never let you forget that alarm bowbird as long as
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you live. We're going to do it a featured segment
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: every week. Anyway, let's get into under Oath and Melissa,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: what was the topic you wanted to talk about?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I hate you. I hate it here. I want to
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: talk about wills and estates.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, State lost.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: You know everyone's favorite.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: You're never too young to have a will. That's what
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: we say in the biz.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I think that people think that they are I will say.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: As someone who doesn't have a will, yes, that is true,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: as someone who has high blood pressure and a family
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: history of high cholesterol and heart attacks and I still
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: don't have a will.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And I think that people are very superstitious about that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Even if they are not outwardly superstitious, they feel like Oh,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: why are we planning for my death while I'm still
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: alive and well? And I think that that's actually the
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: best time to do that. And I remember when several
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: years ago now, we had a relative who passed away
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and she was unmarried, didn't have a partner, didn't have
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: any children, and she died. And I think the thing
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: about that that sort of really bothered me was that
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I remember going to see her in the hospital and
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I remember looking at this woman and thinking to myself, Oh,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I have to tell my mom because my mother was away, okay,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: that this woman is going to die like she was very,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: very sick, and she had been sick for a long time.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And I think she knew she was ill and sort
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: of opted not to do anything.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: So that a lot of people, a lot of people
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: do that, and I and a.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Part of me understands, right, because she had no partner
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: and didn't have any kids, it sort of fell to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: me to clean out her apartment and go through her things.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Wasn't this in my neighborhood Upper East Side?
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: No?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, what a different auntie who she lived like right
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: across the street from me.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a different person. Actually, her sister and her
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: apartment too.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: This is okay. Sorry. I just got a text from
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Melissa that was like, are you walking your dog right now?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: No, it's Brad. I saw Brad. I saw Brad. It
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: was and I was and I was like, had headphones,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: why are you? Yeah? And she lived in the apartment
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: for forty years and she wasn't a hord or anything,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: but she had a lot of stuff and she didn't
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: have a plan. Ye. This made me start thinking really
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: hard about my parents and at the time, they didn't
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: have any estate plan right. And I remember getting on
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: my mom and dad about it, and my father especially
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: was very superstitious about it, and he was just like,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: you know, your mom gets everything, You get everything, Joey
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: gets everything. And I was like, it doesn't work like that.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And I think that people think that it does.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And I think that people think that my family is
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: going to collaborate and get along and they're just going
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to figure this out when I'm gone. And I don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: think people take into account like how they are oftentimes
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the glue keeping everyone together, or underestimate the grief that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: people are going to be going through and that people
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: won't be in their right mind when they are trying
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to do this, and that's often when family rifts occur.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it was what I said to him, and like,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I remember trying to explain to them that,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you know, in the middle of grief, is not the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: time for the rest of us who were left to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: try and figure stuff out. Yes, right, yes, And I
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: will say that I'm so glad that my parents' estate
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: was in order by the time my father died, so
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: that we weren't like scrambling trying to figure stuff out. Right,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: there was a plan. I was his healthcare proxy, which
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: was difficult, but like it made the rest of it
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: a lot easier to take because they had had a plan.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: God.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And the other thing I think that people don't realize
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: when there is no privacy in death, no right. And
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I remember going through my aunt's apartment being like, you
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: know what, she would not want me to be looking
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: at this stuff.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Everyone has that friend where you're my friend, like that
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: where it's like if I go to me, wipe the drive,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: wipe the drive, clean out that drawer.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Why you have bread?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess Brad too. No, there are some things
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want really, you know, I have a.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Really good friend of mine who says that she knows
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: that her husband will not if there's if there comes
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: a point where she's on life support that she knows
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: that her husband will not be able to do it,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: She's made me her person perfect.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I'm not a person for some people.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I don't much love that, but like I also get
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: it right, because when you love somebody, you're like no, no, no, no, no,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe maybe yeah, And she's just like, he won't
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: be able to do it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So I will say for like wills for me, I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: guess like my logic, which I'm not saying this is
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: like the right logic, but I know that like, if
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I die, it will be in testacy. So basically intestacy
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: law is what happens when you don't have a will
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to die without a will. It's called intestine and that's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: sort of like the legal term for it. It just
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: means you didn't have a will, and the governing laws
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: of your state will apply to your estate. So I
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: know that the laws where I'm domiciled New York will
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: distribute my estate how I want to distribute it, which
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: is that if I die, it goes to Brad right,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: But if both of us die. It goes to right,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I think my sister. See, but you don't know it
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: does it goes to my sister.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but wouldn't it be more prudent for you to
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: have a plan, like an actual plan? Yeah?
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I guess so.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: See. I think that's what happens to That's what it is.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: That's what happens to people. People are just like, yeah,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want to think about it, but like I
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: will say, their own property, if you have investments or
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: you know what, though, even if you don't. When I
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: was a paralegal at the y Men's Health Crisis, we used.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: To do will you would do trust in estates?
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't. There was another team that did that, but
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: you know, and oftentimes these were people who didn't have
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: much money. But you know, maybe you want to leave
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: your favorite leather jacket to somebody, you know what I mean.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe you want someone to have your photography or your
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: diploma or whatever it is. But that's why you need
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: a plan.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I will say, there is this one cemetery that I
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: actually really want to be buried in, and I just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I really want.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: To be buried.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so does brad Or like cremated and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: buried is fine with me. Okay, yeah, Brad knows that
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: he does. Yeah, but it's like on my list to
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: buy a plot there. I'm like, oh, yeah, I need
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to do that. I need to do that, and it always.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: It's on your list of things to do, but you
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: haven't done anything.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I know, I haven't done it yet. I know I
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: really need to do that.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: But I think that everybody thinks that they have time.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And I mean, and not to circle back around to
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: renee good, but I'm pretty sure that you know. And
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the point is that nothing is absolutely right. Anything could
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: happen to any of us at any moment in time,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: and if you have wishes, you should make them known.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And I was looking I was thinking about this a lot,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: and I was looking at all the famous people who
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: died without a will.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: And let's do some quick definitions first. I got some
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: just like quick definition. So will is a legal document
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that says who gets your property after you die and
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: who will handle your estate. A trust is a legal
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: arrangement where a trustee holds and manages assets for a beneficiary,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: often to avoid probate, which is oh probate like probate court.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I actually did really well in trust in estate's classes.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I got like it is some of the few a's like.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Why don't you do that?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I don't want to. It's like kind of boring. I've
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: written wills before, and I'm like, oh my god, this
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: is it's just like a lot of it feels like
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: boring paperwork to me as someone who is like a
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: litigator goes to court like that's fun and exciting. But
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: then to be like, oh right, someone's will, I'm like,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: oh my god, this is like really tedious. So I've
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: done it. I really don't want to, really, but I'll
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't do that.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I'll do it for you. Of course, I'll do it
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: for you. But I'm gonna bitch the whole fucking time.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I'm a gay man. I'm allowed to complain the entire time.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I'm doing your family as your friend, I'm allowed to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: complain the whole time. But yeah, I'll do it for you.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Let's do it on their what do who do you
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: want to get?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: One's yeah? No, no, no, no, no, no, okay.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Power of attorney a document that lets someone make financial
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: decisions for you if you can. A healthcare proxy a
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: document naming someone to make medical decisions if you're unable
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to speak for yourself. Beneficiaries are the people and organizations
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: who receive the money, property, your assets from your will
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: or trust probate, the core process that legally settles the
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: person's estate. I was right, you are a A for
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you A and trust in the State's law is still
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: It's just one class on just in the state.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: There's there's like I think there's like a normal one,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and then there's like an advanced one, and then I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: think it might have been like a four credit class.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It was like a long It was like a big
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: heavy curricular lift. And then they covered so much on
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: the New York State Parkaxan. When I took it, it
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: was like days of covering it in New York. So
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I have drilled into my brain like the New York
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: statutes around it. Okay, they really made us go through it.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I wonder why.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's because it's just one of those things
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: that it's gonna everyone knows someone who's gonna die or
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: will die themselves. Sure, huge of true.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Right, and huge, huge, huge.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Of true and everyone, so they try and make sure
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: all lawyers it's going to come up. A friend is
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: going to turn to them on their podcast and be like,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: will you write my will for me? And you're gonna
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: have to kind of know how to stumble your way
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: through it and do it right. So New York, you
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: need I know that you need witnesses. You have to
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: have like witnesses in person. And it sounds like so extreme,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: but it really is, like it could be literally anyone
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: just sign and write your name for your will.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: When we did our parents, my brother and I was
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: sitting there signing our lives away. Everybody was okay.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: So tell me about these weird celebrities who died without wills.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Prince no will.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Prince has like a full like a library of music.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: They can like release the song every year forever.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Come on to music for the ages. And he had
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: no will, which is really surprising. He had no will.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Aretha Franklin didn't have an actual will. She had a
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: bunch of handwritten wills all and like they were all
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: over her house, which apparently was a mess.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: So that happens a lot. Not saying that this is
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: what happened with miss Aretha. What did I just did?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I just what did I just call her?
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: They're going to come for you. They are going to
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: come for you, sir.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: So sorry, I'm so sorry, so sorry.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: The Queen so I love her.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I just I burnt
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: my tongue on really hot I really did lawsuit come
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in for your ass. Sorry, he's lying. I really did.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no, no no, you stumbled on
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Aretha's name, which is okay, but you want to lie
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I took a Benadryl and I drank hot coffee and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: now I'm sollurring in the studio. But Aretha, I'm not
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: saying this happened to her. But people have, like we
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: are at a lot of cases in that class about
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: people who would like kind of go crazy and lose
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: their mind and write little letters and then it would
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: be like four conflicting letters and they all say something different.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: And they're not dated and they're not dated, and no.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: One knows who to believe in which one, who should
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: get what. And there's always like that that nephew from
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: out of town.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Who he said that I was his favorite, uh huh, yeah, yeah,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I've never seen you before.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Great expectations, yeah.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Amy Winehouse, which is I'm not surprised that she didn't
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: have one. She was really young, but again that is
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: not an excuse, especially when you reach a certain level
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: of success, you should really have one. Kirk Cobain, Emmy Winehouse,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cobain, Jimmy Hendricks all twenty seven years old when
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: they died, and none of them. There's like a whole
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: list of people.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: And who else Janice Joplin died at twenty seven? I
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: think as well, Yeah, there's.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Like this whole Paba Picasso.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I wonder where we expected he died like really old
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: as well. I don't think he He did die really old.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Wasn't like a sudden tragic Oh, he was one hundred
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and seven years old.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: He was really old when he died. And he should
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: have had a will and he didn't.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, Martin Luther King and Princess Diana.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Princess Diana didn't have a will.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Who got the revenge dress?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Megan? If it's Megan, was like, I need that.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Were you silent or were you silenced? There's a tweet.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Brad likes to quote it all the time. Were you
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a container ship or a ship contained?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: That's so fucking stupid. Said, I'll just be.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Like in the kitchen cooking and I'll hear him talking
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: to himself in the other room. That's someone who's going
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: to write a will on a little piece of paper
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and leave it around the house.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Brad talks to himself. We both no, no, no no.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: So I'll be like doing the dishes and I'll.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Be like, I talk to myself all the time.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I'll be like Bobert.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: No, I'm like, I'm like having imaginary arguments with things
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: that I wish that I could say.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: You're fighting, see me, It's just like a brain rot,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: millennial brain rot of different memes.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: No, I'm fighting with people who have sucked with me
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't able to say something.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Or you weren't able to fucking keep their car.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I was for anything too. It'll be like some random
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: memory from like nineteen ninety eight. I'm like, and let
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: me tell you something about.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: That should have said something. But we don't hold grudges.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: These are two tauruses on the air. We are both tauruses,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and we absolutely hold grudges.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Deeply damaged.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have some weird rapid fire facts about trust
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: in estates that I looked up because there's the slayer rule.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: The slayer rule is if you kill someone to get
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: their inheritance, you can't inherit their money. So it like
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: skips over you. So if like a rule about that,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: there did. Yeah, and there's a lawsuit. There's a case
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: around it because someone someone you know, ye did their
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: husband in order to get that inheritance.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: It's actually weird too.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Mendez brothers like, I don't like someone killed someone to
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: get their inheritance and then then had to go.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Or kill their parents to get the money.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think, So don't quote me on that. Even
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: get sued, they're still around and we've got Ryan Murphy involved. Now,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: So did you watch that? No? I didn't watch that.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I started to watch it. It was so weird, the
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: constant Millie Vanilli in that. Did anybody else watch this? Okay?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: The music plays the music.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: And they apparently I don't know if this is true
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: because it could be just Ryan Murphy doing this thing,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: but apparently at the funeral of the Menenda's mom and dad,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: they played a Millie Vanilli song and it was weird. Girl,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: you know it's true. Ooh ooh, ooh. Can I even
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: say that you can say you can't sing it oo
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: oo ooh, I love you. And that is what it
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: was what.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Was played at the funeral. Yes, I bet they didn't
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: have a will or a plan for what was going
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: to play at their funeral, and that's why they did that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: So that's why I got yourself a lawyer. Don't ask me,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Before my mom had a will, she had said she
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: was going to funerals and she would see like people's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: PowerPoint presentations at their funeral, and she got a box her.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Mother reviewing other people's funerals and being like, you know what,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I actually don't want I don't want that.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Have you.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Coming home and she's like.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Not even roasting people, but being like, I don't want that,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I want this. And she she had this box in
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: her coat closet where she would deposit pictures of herself
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: that she liked and she would say to me, I
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: need you to make sure and I And the thing
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: about it is that's the kind of ship that like
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: my parents, my parents would leave all these things to me,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: right so like before, way, way, way before my dad died,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: he would say, and especially if he had a friend
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: of his who had gotten really sick. He would be like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: don't let that happen. And I was like, well, see
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: what we can do right, and he was just like,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: listen to me, Menissa, put a bullet in my brain
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: before you let that happen to me. And he would
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: say because he can't do it, and Joey can't do it,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: and I'm like I can do it, and you think
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I can do it, and he was just like, you'll
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: be okay. Like my mom and my mom, well, my
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: mom didn't want me to kill her. She did put
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: all these pictures in a box and she was like,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: because your fun. I enjoy it. They can't do it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: You have to do it.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: My mom's always like once the grays, like once they're
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: not doing my roots or my nail, She's like, just
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: fucking do it. She's like, don't let me get to it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: She's like, the minute it's like not.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: As somebody her gray hair, I am deeply disturbed that
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: your mom feels like should I just it's just like.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: An indicators, Just like the minute it starts getting a
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: little bit less than like a glamour icon, like, let's
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: just shut it down. She's like, I'm good.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, my mom had all these pictures in a
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: box and she was just like, at my funeral, these
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: are the photos that I want you to put on
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: the PowerPoint presentation. But now that we're all on phones
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: and stuff, if she sees a nice picture of herself,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: she's like, this is.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: This is saving sa save this? You know what. That's pragmatic.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want any busted ass photos of my face
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: at my funeral. How are you going to do me
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: What do you want you to send me?
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: To be style? I think, like, you know the Guns N'
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Roses music video where she's in the wedding dress. I
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: think if I could wear that Stephanie Seymour septemborine, yeah,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: September Raine. I think something like that. I love subtle.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I want like the short wedding dress skirt.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, but okay here, so here's the reason why.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Wait. There was this woman in New Orleans. They sat
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: her upright and a throne. Yeah. Sorry, I know. I
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: said I wanted to be cremated, but I changed my mind.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: But that's not they sat her upright. I can have
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: it all, Wendy's have it your way. So you're standing upright.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: She had a pin that said bitch and it was
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: like made of diamonds, and she had like she always
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: carried around like a goblet. So she had her like
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: crystal goblet with her and they like created her through
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the streets. I think something subtle like that.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me see you dresses. Okay, all right, then
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I'll put you in a dress I've got.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I will say, like, I I know, I've got like
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: a crazy ego in that. I think very I think
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I look much better than I do. I will say objectively, yeah,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I've got great legs if I'm in those, like I've.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Seen your legs running. I think that.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Compliments on my legs.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I believe.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like if we did like a short number
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: like a yeah, we could do a romper. I was thinking,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: like a Maxi.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: No, because then you don't see the legs in the mix.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know what a MAXI.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I think you don't know what I don't think.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, well.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: You are the worst game man.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Well hopefully I don't die soon. That way, I have
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: time to like figure this out before my funeral. Yeah, okay,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: so the slayer role, you can't murder? We got such ADHD.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe we need to have we need to have like
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: this will.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah layer role. You can't kill the person who you're
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: going to inherit from and still inherit that is.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Like I still think that's a weird Sorry.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I ruined all your plans.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's uh right.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Like you can sometimes disinherit your spouse, which is interesting.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: In New York it's the one third rule, so you
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: were automatically owed a third from your spouse as a
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: state in no matter what. So people try and like
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: screw over their spouse, like they stay married, but they
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: hate each other very like you know, Catholic thing to do.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: And then from an Irish Catholic family, I'm allowed to
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: say it. I'm allowed to say it. But people will
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: be like, you know what, fuck that guy and write
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: him out of the will. You can't do that automatically.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: It gets like overridden. So you know, stay married.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: If you stay married.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: A lot of people leave one dollar to someone that way,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: that person can't claim they were accidentally left out and
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: go to court and be.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Like give me my kill.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: We remembered. There's a little there's a little subplot of
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: something like that in Better Call Saul. It's like that
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: is I love that show. But they give him like
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: a couple thousand dollars so he can't like contest it.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And it's like just enough but not It's like not
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: a lot, but it's just enough that you can't go
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: to court.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: When we were talking about what we wanted our funerals
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: to get, so you want to be buried in address
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: and carted around?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so really, and that feels right to me.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want any of those things. I want
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: to be cremated. I want to be cremated. I literally
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: don't care where you spread my ashes. It doesn't matter
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: to me at all.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the tcby at Penn Station is that good?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: If you want to, I'm gone, it doesn't matter. I
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: do want a really nice repass with like really good food.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: It's the reception after after the funeral. Yeah, but I
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: don't want a buffet. I was like, I don't know,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: but my friends Andrea knows, like I like lemon desserts,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: so they're and I want like a really good signature cocktail.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: You love lemon dessert, A lemon tart.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I love a lemon tart, A lemon meringue pie. I
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: also like, I also love like a lemon drop. So
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I want like a good signature cocktail. Okay, really good
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: signature cocktails. Some kind of a lemon.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Drop could talk slow or I'm writing, that's.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: What I want. I want it to be fun. I
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: don't want people. I want people to wear what they want.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: What if we did like scratch offs, like we could
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: like give out scratch offs some of the money. Okay,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: all right, you know there's no bad ideas in brainstorming.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: That was a bad idea.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: A little scratcher, put scratch offs at my funeral, all
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: martinis and scratchers. Okay, that could be fun because as
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: you're sad. But then like, oh, you want to let a.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Serious question though, so can you put all of those
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: things in your will? And you should probably if it's
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: something that's important to you, if.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: You're dedicating money towards it from your estate, you can,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: like you can put your stuff in there, as long
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: as it's not like breaking the law. Don't give the
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: martinis to like the kids.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Who has your phone password? No one, nobody? And is
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: that what you want?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: You want? Brad probably knows it, huh. And I have
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: to keep it really safe. I got to keep it
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: really safe because I have like confidential client information.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, but I mean, is there anything in your phone
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: that you think that Brad would need to know if
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: God forbids something happened to you? Do you know? Is
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: there any information in your phone that is relevant to
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: like any wishes or how you live your life that
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Brad should know or is.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: It just like I think so? Yeah, I don't think so.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: And I also think that like there's nothing like superent
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: like important that's in there that only I would have
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: access to. Okay, Like anytime he and I travel together
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: because we copar and a dog, I have a friend
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: that I give like important information to of like, hey,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: something happens, we do go to some weird remote places,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: like we were hiking Machu Pichu a couple of weeks ago,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: so like that, I was like, Okay, that could be
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: potentially treacherous. I don't know, I don't know what I'm
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: getting myself into. So I did give my friend like
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit of information of like, hey, if something happens,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Sue has the dog, Like this is what his needs are,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: like Cure's access to know certain past and stuff. Like
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: that I do.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have life insurance. Yeah yeah, it's important.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, this has been a really great like working
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: group sort of moment. I got a lot to do.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Let's take a break and we're going to come back.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I want to do Tales from the DMS because we've
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: had a lot of questions from folks, which is I
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: love to see it. Remember, leave us your questions and
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Okay, So this is Tales from
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: the DMS. I'm going to answer all the weird questions
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: you send me cool interesting things. You can go to
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: my link tree and record your question and we will
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: play it on the air.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: And what I always say, friends, while Michael is a lawyer,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: he's not your lawyer. These are just for fun and information.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: All right, let's roll with the first clip.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: As an international and European fan of the podcast, I
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: was just wondering if there's any type of law from
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: another country, no matter where in the world, that you
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: find extremely interesting that does not exist like that in
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: the US.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Well interesting, yeah, do you have any No, you don't.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: There's nothing like a weird law that you heard. There's
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: one in j I really well, maybe it's not a law,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: but there's one in Japan that I thought was really cool. Okay, basically,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: there are two types of jury. There's like a judge
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: and a jury in Japan, but the jury collaborates with
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the judge on the decision in the case. Interesting, so
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: the jury will like go and deliberate with the judge.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: So in the US they're totally separate. The judge is
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: just like presiding over the preceding and saying, you know,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like yes, you're following the procedure, right attorney, or no,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: you're not the rules, and then they tell the jury
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: like this, these are the rules, this is your mandate.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: But in Japan they say we're going to bring We're
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: going to send you into the deliberation room with an expert,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: and the expert is the judge who like oversaw the
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: whole trial. And they actually have like better conviction. They
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: have like a ninety nine percent conviction rate in Japan
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: because the prosecutors only bring cases that they know they
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: can win. There there's none of this like guessing that
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: a jury might stumble into a conviction if there is
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: doubt in their mind or that so, so in Japan
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: they have like a much better convictionery because they have
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: a professional in the room, practitioner who oversaw the whole trial,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: understands the law thoroughly, sort of like advising the jurors
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: in the room.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: It's actually really fascinating. Apparently it's so the mixed panel
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: is called I'm going to butchert this, so forgive me
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: a SI bond in feel free correct.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Interesting, but it's pretty new. I think they started at
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: like it's it hasn't always been like this, but they
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: started doing it like ten years ago or so.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Interesting. I wonder why. I wonder what happened or what
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: was happening to make them do that. That's actually really interesting.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into the next question.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Hi, Michael and Melissa. So my mother's family is of
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Italian descent, and the way the laws are in Italy,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: I am eligible for Italian citizenship. It's something I want
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: to do for a number of reasons. But giving the
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: state of xenophobian this country right now, I was wondering
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: if you know of any legal issues being faced by
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: people with dual citizenships.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: That's a good question, it's.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: A really good question. And actually did you sorry. I've
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: heard recently that Trump has been saying that he wants
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: to get rid of dual citizenship.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have. Yeah, I have not seen any sort
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: of bill or any sort of executive order put in
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: place that would threaten dual citizenship. It's still like very
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: much a robust part of American citizenship. Even if some
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: people in the US are xenophobic or have nationalist views politically,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: that doesn't change the legal status of dual citizenship. There's
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: no law in the books right now that would sort
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: of undercut that. I don't see like a downside to
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: having dual citizenship at all other than the moment at
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: a moment. But I guess I would want to talk
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: to this person and like really understand what their specific
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: concern is in so far as xenophobia, Like being someone
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: who's identified with a non American status, Where you living,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: what community are you in? Are you someone who has
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: to like get by by passing as an American? Like
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: what is the sort of specific situation I think is
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: something that, right, do you.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Mean, like what is her this person's particular worry?
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I just think like someone who's sounds
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: and presents as American, I wouldn't right understand how your
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: dual citizenship could sort of factor into like seeing a
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: phobia unless you were like open about.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: That, open about having duels.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is something that is kind of like
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: between you and the government, which I understand you're concerned
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: that the government is a nationalist perspective right now, which
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: it is, but at least on the books and so
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: far as the laws concerned, I think you're fine.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, So somebody emailed us a question, and here's what
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: they say. I just finished listening to your November twenty
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: seventh episode. The gay panic defense is ridiculous, and I
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: have a slightly off topic but related question. The question
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: is the difference between first degree and second degree murder
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: and the cooling off period for an emotional response. How
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: does that work for domestic violence victims or victims of
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: physical emotional abuse, where there is often years of big
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: and small, big and small instances and the triggering event
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: is a culmination of that experience, but not might not
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: be seen that way by looking at it at face value.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Okay, Well, thank you for your question
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: and for sending us such a you know, sensitive topic
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: like I appreciate that. In all so, it does get
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: kind of messy here, like there is no clear picture.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I think when we're talking about gay paddic defenses, we're
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: talking about these heat of passion crimes, we're looking at
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: like well established case law from decades. So I think,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you know, conversations around domestic violence have really changed, like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: pretty recently in the eyes of the law. The law
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: is always like twenty years behind the present day in
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: order to get cases litigated and really established precedent, it
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: takes a while. So when someone has endured sort of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: like years of domestic violence or coercive control, courts don't
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: always treat the last incident as like the whole story.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: So I would say that like the cumulative provocation is
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: something that people that some judges will sometimes consider okay,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: they'll allow that. And again panic defenses or like these
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: heat of passion reactive to get a reduced charge. Like
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: there's no like statute that defense attorneys are looking to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: for these. These are really like trial strategies, So there's
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: no like law in the books that says this is
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the defense you're allowed to use. It's like will this
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: work in front of a jury? Yes or no? That's
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: like what the defense attorney's asking themselves as they're sort
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: of putting together the defense. Some courts let juries consider
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: sort of like years of abuse. It's really up to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: the specific judge of like, Okay, I will allow that evidence,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: or no, I don't think it's credible, which is really
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: interesting bec because judges are elected officials and they're often
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: reflective of the communities they come from. So you might
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: have a different result in a more liberal state versus
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: a you know, deep southern conservative judge. So if the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: person reasonably believes they were in imminent danger of death
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: or serious harm at the time of the murder, it
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: could be an acquittal, or it could be a reduced sentence.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Do you remember there was this case. It was this
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: case that oddly enough, Kim Kardashian had gotten involved in.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: It was this young girl who was sexually trafficked and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: she killed her trafficker. Apparently she was eventually given clemency.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: She was convicted. She wasted. I remember seeing that and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: we were all like, this is so fucked up.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: And she's not the only one. There was another young girl,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Alexis Martin. That was in twenty twenty. Oh. Kim Kardashian
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: also was very supportive of her case. So she was
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: fourteen years old when she was trafficked by a man
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: and she killed him, and she was convicted as an
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: adult and sent this twenty one years to imprison This.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Brings up for me something that I notice is that
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: if there is an act of a crime and there's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: evidence of it, it's really hard for American judges to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: get over that, regardless of what the excuse was. I've
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: just sort of like noticed that as a trend as
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I read case law. If there's an act and they
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: can prove it, it's really hard for your men's raya
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: to like totally overcome all that evidence. Judges are seasoned litigators,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: lawyers who've been in the BIS a long time. They're
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: oftentimes previously prosecutors, so it's really hard for them to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: kind of get over these all that evidence, seeing someone
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: who we know for a fact committed the crime. An
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: affirmative like a self defense defense, is that it's an
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: affirmative defense. You're admitting that you did it. But here's why.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't see them as often being like successful
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  Speaker 1: defenses or with like complete acquittals. It's usually a reduced sentence. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's like a factor that the judge considers right, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't. You're a ton about these lif things.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, get off Scott free.
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  Speaker 1: Later, you're good. Yeah, check in with your prole officer.
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  Speaker 1: Have a nice life. Like it's just really hard for
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  Speaker 1: judges to get over that. Yeah, it's like something. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's psychological. Okay, Thank you for sending us all
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