Latest / The SME Stream / Nick Tuffley: ASB Chief Economist on why your interest rates aren't coming down
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen, if you're wasted the major banks to
- 0:03Speaker 1: cut their fixed mortgage rates after the OCR was dropped
- 0:05Speaker 1: last week, you might be out of luck. It looks
- 0:07Speaker 1: like the wholesale market has been surprised by the Reserve
- 0:10Speaker 1: Bank firmly ruling out any further cuts, and that's led
- 0:13Speaker 1: to a jump in wholesale interest rates. Nick Tuffley is
- 0:15Speaker 1: the ASB Chief Economist and with.
- 0:17Speaker 2: Us Hello, Nick, good afternoon.
- 0:19Speaker 3: How much of the wholesale rates up by that does.
- 0:23Speaker 2: Vary by the term, but if you're looking at compared
- 0:25Speaker 2: to right before the NPS, you're probably anywhere between say
- 0:28Speaker 2: fifteen and thirty basis points, and you're up more than
- 0:31Speaker 2: that from the lows that we got to sort of
- 0:33Speaker 2: later in October.
- 0:35Speaker 1: Okay, so what brought this on?
- 0:37Speaker 2: Well, you had the markets before the Montreal policy statement
- 0:42Speaker 2: still in effect building into wholesale rates that there was
- 0:45Speaker 2: probably about a fifty to fifty chance of a further
- 0:47Speaker 2: interest rate cut, and the Reserve Bank, I guess you
- 0:50Speaker 2: could say they left the door slightly jar to cutting
- 0:53Speaker 2: further if the economy doesn't pick up like it was,
- 0:56Speaker 2: like it's generally expected to. But they were making some
- 1:00Speaker 2: pretty clear noises that they think they're pretty much done,
- 1:02Speaker 2: and so that markets have shifted to pricing in a
- 1:06Speaker 2: much greater chance of the official cash rate going up
- 1:09Speaker 2: is the next move rather than down?
- 1:12Speaker 3: Was this clumsy from the Reserve Bank?
- 1:15Speaker 2: Well? I think I would say it's inconvenient from the
- 1:18Speaker 2: point of view that we know that there are a
- 1:20Speaker 2: number of people who will be fixing their mortgage rates
- 1:23Speaker 2: and you run the risk of we certainly put the
- 1:26Speaker 2: cost of wholesale borrowing up a bit higher as a
- 1:29Speaker 2: result of this. But the challenges lot if you've got
- 1:33Speaker 2: markets pricing in a cut and you get to a
- 1:37Speaker 2: point where that's no longer likely to happen, you are
- 1:39Speaker 2: going to get a market reaction at some point. It
- 1:41Speaker 2: just feels like we're seeing quite a market lift and
- 1:44Speaker 2: rates in every short period of.
- 1:45Speaker 1: Time, right, So what do you reckon?
- 1:46Speaker 2: Nick?
- 1:46Speaker 3: Is it up from here?
- 1:49Speaker 2: From the Reserve Bank's view, look, i think we're on hold.
- 1:53Speaker 2: From here is the most likely outcome. I mean, that
- 1:55Speaker 2: was what we were thinking before this statement.
- 1:57Speaker 3: We were just What I was meaning is if you'll
- 1:59Speaker 3: think I'm just going to wait for those fixed rates
- 2:01Speaker 3: to come back a little bit, you probably have to
- 2:04Speaker 3: factor in that they're going to go up now right.
- 2:06Speaker 2: Well, from here, I think that's the more more likely
- 2:10Speaker 2: way you're going to be I'll put it this way,
- 2:11Speaker 2: is that the drivers to push rates down further. You know,
- 2:14Speaker 2: you are looking for something to happen overseas it's not
- 2:17Speaker 2: good news, or something domestically that's not good news to
- 2:20Speaker 2: sort of really be a key catalyst for there. So
- 2:23Speaker 2: look at it is that time for people to start
- 2:25Speaker 2: looking and going Okay, look, I've been waiting for the
- 2:28Speaker 2: Reserve Bank to get to the bottom. Maybe we're there,
- 2:30Speaker 2: you know what it is this the time to start
- 2:33Speaker 2: looking at what's the right thing to do?
- 2:34Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick, thank you very much for you to im appreciated.
- 2:36Speaker 3: Nick Toughly, a'sbchief Economist.
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