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Perp "Scales Wall" to shoot Gorgeous Lawyer Asleep in Bed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We think we're safe, right,
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Speaker 1: do you? Because this family had the top of the
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Speaker 1: line security cameras in a low crime area, yet still
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Speaker 1: crime tragedy entered their lives and of all places in
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Speaker 1: their home. Do you think money, education, power, prestige can
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Speaker 1: protect you, Because this is proof a suffering family can
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Speaker 1: tell you. No one apparently can be protected. I mean it.
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Speaker 1: See Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious x one eleven.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eight from Elie x eighteen.
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Speaker 1: First responders got here just after four thirty this morning,
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Speaker 1: but by the time they arrived, the intruder or intruders
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Speaker 1: had already fled. KSP Sergeant Robert Purtty reports that several
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Speaker 1: people were sleeping inside the home, which belongs to former
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Speaker 1: state Representative C. Wesley Morgan, when at least one person
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Speaker 1: broke into the house gunshots were fired. We believe that
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Speaker 1: shots were exchanged between the homeowner and the person who
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Speaker 1: was involved in the shooting, who then left the scene.
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Speaker 1: The coroner arrived at the home later in the morning.
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Speaker 1: We have learned the person killed as the former lawmaker's daughter,
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Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan, a family friend, confirmed the news, and her
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Speaker 1: employer called her a quote promising young attorney. She also
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Speaker 1: worked in the office of former Governor Matt Bevan. Think
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Speaker 1: about it. I've got a son and a daughter, and
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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you, but I am not right here
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Speaker 1: in front of this mike. Are out on a crime
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Speaker 1: scene or working on a crime I am with my children.
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Speaker 1: Think about it. Eport all your up, all your hopes,
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Speaker 1: all your dreams, all your money, all your time to
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Speaker 1: have some devil come into your home in the night
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Speaker 1: and you think you're all well protected and murder your daughter.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the parents wish they just killed them instead.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut seven Fox fifty six.
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Speaker 1: The Willis Branch Road home has a high tech security
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Speaker 1: system to keep intruders out. In Madison County is usually
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Speaker 1: pretty quiet, which is why residents are confused that such
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Speaker 1: a tragic crime would happen there. I don't understand how
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Speaker 1: somebody three or four o'clock on mon it's going to
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Speaker 1: go out to that neighborhood, especially if the cameras all
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Speaker 1: over the place and doing something like that. Back off
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Speaker 1: the road. He has a farm there, and you know.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he turns, you know, like shreal dad for me.
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Speaker 1: Kentucky State Police say is too early to determine if
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Speaker 1: there is an ongoing threat to the public. Police also
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Speaker 1: add that Jordan Morgan was a part time resident of
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Speaker 1: the home. Okay, I don't understand this. He's got it's
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Speaker 1: a beautiful home that backs up to a farm, very
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Speaker 1: low crime area, farm land, and he's got all type
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Speaker 1: of security on the home, surveillance, you name it. And
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Speaker 1: somehow somebody breaches that, comes into the home and murders
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Speaker 1: his daughter. This is not just anybody. This is a
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Speaker 1: high profile politician in Kentucky. How in the world did
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Speaker 1: this happen? And what would be the motivation? So far,
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Speaker 1: we're not hearing about a sex attack or the daughter.
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Speaker 1: We're not hearing about things stolen from the home. So
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Speaker 1: why again, I mean, I see grace, this this crime story.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us, with
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Speaker 1: me and all start panel to make sense of what
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Speaker 1: we know right now. Dell Carson high profile lawyer Jacksonville,
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Speaker 1: former fed with the FBI, former FBI, Asian author of
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Speaker 1: Arrest Proof Yourself. You can find him Delcarsonlaw dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jory Cross and psychologist faculty Saint Leo University, consultant,
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Speaker 1: author of Operation s o S. Professor Forensics, Jacksonale State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Starving
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Speaker 1: you hit series on iHeart Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: also with me, a longtime colleague you may know him
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Speaker 1: as Turtleman, Chris Adams at the wire Grass Ecological and
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Speaker 1: Cultural Project, and very special guests joining us, Don Foster.
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Speaker 1: This is victim, a gorgeous young lawyer, Jordan Morgan's stepfather
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Speaker 1: speaking out. But first I'm gonna go to Courtney King.
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Speaker 1: I'm a friend at Fox nineteen on Facebook. Fox nineteen
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Speaker 1: Courtney King, Courtney, thank you so much for being with
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Speaker 1: us in the middle of all of this. It's just tragedy. First,
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Speaker 1: I want to understand, Courtney, explain to me the layout
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Speaker 1: of this home, because when I go to a crime scene,
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Speaker 1: typically on a homicide, as I walk up, I have
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Speaker 1: facts just rolling through my head. Are there security cameras?
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Speaker 1: Is it off the street? Is there offense on the exterior?
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Speaker 1: What's the perimeter? Could a person have jumped over? Offense?
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Speaker 1: Is it scalable? Was a home locked. Is there a
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Speaker 1: back patio, Is there a swimming pool, Is there some
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Speaker 1: type of I don't know, playhouse or a storage unit
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Speaker 1: in the yard that could hide someone. All of these
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Speaker 1: things would be flying through my mind, and especially in
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Speaker 1: this case, I don't quite understand how this guy, the
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Speaker 1: dad with the prestige, the politics behind him, the money,
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Speaker 1: the beautiful home, the security system, how the hey did
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Speaker 1: this happen? Give me the layout? Where is this, Courtney sir? Nanthew?
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Speaker 1: This home is in Madison County. We're actually I'm with
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Speaker 1: Fox sinteen and Cincinnatis. It's about an hour and a
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Speaker 1: half from the Cincinnati area. It's closer to the Lexington
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Speaker 1: part of the Wait a minute, Courtney King, I'm getting
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Speaker 1: mixed messages. You're saying it's an hour and a half
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Speaker 1: from Cinnati, big metropolitan city, but yet I know there's
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Speaker 1: a farm behind. Let me understand the lay of the land.
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Speaker 1: Is Madison County rural? Suburban? Urban? What is it? It
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Speaker 1: is more of a rural area. Specifically with this house.
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Speaker 1: If you look at some drone footage of it that
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Speaker 1: you might be able to see online on some of
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Speaker 1: the local news websites, it is pretty much by itself
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Speaker 1: in the area, so it's in a remote area. And
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Speaker 1: when you're asking about security from the drone footage, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't look like there's a fence around the house, so
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Speaker 1: it's in a remote area. There is a swimming pool
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Speaker 1: you can see out from Courtney hold on check check
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Speaker 1: your satellite. You're cutting in and out on me while
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Speaker 1: Courtney King is getting her SAT fixed to You just
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Speaker 1: got Morgan. That's really important, and that's where you start
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Speaker 1: with an investigation. Your timeline and the location. Explain why
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Speaker 1: in a nutshell, Joe goot Morgan. You know what you're
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Speaker 1: looking to do. Nancy's Creed's referred to as a geographical profile,
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Speaker 1: the nature of the environment, who has access, who has
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Speaker 1: points of egress, who can get in and get out?
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Speaker 1: And for instance, if you're talking about road that only
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Speaker 1: had that's a cult sack where you have to drive
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Speaker 1: in and then turn around and exit that road, that
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Speaker 1: location that's going to be important as well. And who
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Speaker 1: occupies the space around this area. We know that it's
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Speaker 1: a farming community, but if you just go back up
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Speaker 1: the road, there's some new home developments. And let's not
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Speaker 1: forget the I seventy five corridor runs right by here. Wow,
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Speaker 1: and that's a big deal because we know Del Carson,
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer out of Jackson, all former FBI agent.
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Speaker 1: And I always go back to the Shasta and Dylan
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Speaker 1: Grownie case up in Cord Delaye. I know, if you
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Speaker 1: look above it aerial, nothing but green forest. But a
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Speaker 1: PERV drove by on the Interstate in his truck and
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Speaker 1: saw Shasta in an above ground pool in the distance.
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Speaker 1: He had a bird's eye view very briefly from the Interstate,
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Speaker 1: comes off the Interstate and this no crime area stalks
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Speaker 1: the family kills a whole family to get Dylan and
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Speaker 1: Shasta grownee. So you can be out in the middle
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Speaker 1: of nowhere, like Joe Scott Morgan was saying, and still
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Speaker 1: fall victim to crime. But it tells me it's targeted
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Speaker 1: because there's nobody living around you, So it's somebody targeting you.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And it's probably well lit on the exterior,
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Speaker 1: so it draws the attention of anyone traveling on the Interstate,
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Speaker 1: and it seems to be targeted clearly. Yeah, and you
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Speaker 1: know you think, oh, like that helps me to typically
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Speaker 1: it does. But the flip side of that coin is
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Speaker 1: a per can see, So what's your choice. I still
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Speaker 1: go with the lighted area. Guys, take a list of
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Speaker 1: our cut nine from Eliot's eighteen. Many questions remain, who
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Speaker 1: was the shooter, Why did this happen? How did the
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Speaker 1: intruder or intruders break into the home? To begin with,
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Speaker 1: we've been able to determine kind of a point of entry,
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Speaker 1: but due to the sensitive nature of this type of investigation,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of information that we're not putting out
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Speaker 1: and can't put out at this time. You know, I
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Speaker 1: think some of the things we have that we think
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Speaker 1: may have occurred at this point, it'd be it'd be
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Speaker 1: speculation to release much more than that. Sp also reports
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Speaker 1: that at least one intruder and the homeowner, who is
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Speaker 1: listed at C Wesley Morgan, the former lawmaker, did exchange
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Speaker 1: gunshots and Morgan, who has identified as the homeowner, was
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Speaker 1: taken the UK hospital and was treated and released. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Back to Courtney King joining US
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Fox nineteen. That's n oww X I
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Speaker 1: X Courtney again, thanks for being with us. From what
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Speaker 1: I understand, the breaking happened around four am. You know
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Speaker 1: a lot of people say the witching hours midnight. I
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Speaker 1: think it's three am, four am. An invasion, a home
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Speaker 1: invasion into the family's four point two million dollar mansion,
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Speaker 1: and then without stealing anything, we think, without sex attacking,
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Speaker 1: anybody shoots this Kentucky lawmaker's daughter dead. Here's the kicker
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Speaker 1: as she lays sleeping. Now they're referring to the sensitive
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Speaker 1: nature of the crime. That's almost unheard of, Courtney King,
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Speaker 1: are those facts correct? What do you know? Well, we
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Speaker 1: know that the Morgan home was for sales or about
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Speaker 1: six five million dollars. It's currently listed if you look
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Speaker 1: at it Zillo page or one of its real estate
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Speaker 1: group pages. But we do know that if you look
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Speaker 1: on those real estate pages, there is a bunker that
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Speaker 1: is in the Morgan family home that's worth about three
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Speaker 1: million dollars. Again according to these real estates pages, and
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Speaker 1: according to them, it says that this bunker is about
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Speaker 1: twenty six feet underground and also has two escape tunnels.
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Speaker 1: So that's a little bit of the background of what
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Speaker 1: we know about the house. You're absolutely right. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut two. Our friend Marvin Bartlett at
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Speaker 1: Fox fifty six. Wesley Morgan is a well known figure
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Speaker 1: in central Kentucky. The Republicans served one term in the
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Speaker 1: State House of Representatives from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: but was defeated when he ran for reelection in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: He tried to unsee US Senator Mitch McConnell, picking up
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Speaker 1: about six percent of the vote in the primary. The
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Speaker 1: homework Today's shooting took place was listed for sale last
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Speaker 1: year with a price tag of six and a half
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Speaker 1: million dollars. It sits on two hundred acres. The listing
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Speaker 1: received nationwide attention because the home includes an underground shelter
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Speaker 1: that's been referred to as a doomsday bunker? What exactly
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Speaker 1: is that? To Jerry Cross and psychologist Faculties Saint Leo
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Speaker 1: University and author of Operation SS right now, I wish
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Speaker 1: I had a bunker with putin in action? Dare I
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Speaker 1: even mention his name? But how common is a bunker?
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Speaker 1: And why do people have bunkers? And maybe some people
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Speaker 1: need a bunker safe him so to speak, more than
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Speaker 1: other people. Well, I'm old enough to remember here in
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Speaker 1: Florida where the Cuban missile crisis and they were selling
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Speaker 1: bomb shelters back there in the homes in Tampa area
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Speaker 1: back in the sixties, so that kind of goes in trends.
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Speaker 1: I would take it. One of the points that it
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Speaker 1: has been brought up is the whoever this perpetrator. There
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Speaker 1: was like a targeting and it you know, I am
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Speaker 1: from a psychology perspective, it's got to be somebody in
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Speaker 1: the house. It's got to be something in the house.
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Speaker 1: I mean to go in there and systematically encounter the
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Speaker 1: residents and kill them. And when he met resistance, he left. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: for our friends at Fox fifty six. This is a scene.
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Speaker 1: This isn't something that we see very common here in
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Speaker 1: Madison County, and we've got several people on the scene
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Speaker 1: trying to determine exactly what happened. So hopefully we'll be
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Speaker 1: able to have some more answers later. You know, we've
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Speaker 1: been able to determine kind of a point of entry,
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Speaker 1: but due to the sensitive nature of this type of investigation,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of information that we're not putting out
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Speaker 1: and can't put out at this time. Sergeant Bertie says
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Speaker 1: it's too early to determine if there is an ongoing
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Speaker 1: threat to the public. Now Madison County residence I spoke
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Speaker 1: to today. I mean that Morgan owns the liquor World
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Speaker 1: here in the area. Okay, right, there is that, correct,
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Speaker 1: Courtney King. He is a Kentucky politician but also owns
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Speaker 1: a liquor world. Yes, yes, so we do know that
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Speaker 1: he was a local businessman as well as once being
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Speaker 1: a state roup. Okay, you know that really opens up
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Speaker 1: a can of worms. Joe's got Morgan because you've got
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Speaker 1: is this politically motivated? Did the dad Wesley Morgan, high
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Speaker 1: profile politician in Kentucky? Did he say something that infuriated
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Speaker 1: some kuk or is it some somebody that's against liquor
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Speaker 1: or against drinking? I mean, it could be anything. Because
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Speaker 1: we're not having a robbery and we're not having a
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Speaker 1: sex attack. Yeah, you're right, And you know, the high
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Speaker 1: profile nature of the family in and of itself creates
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Speaker 1: a myriad of problems because you know, if it's a
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Speaker 1: common everyday Joe that winds up being attacked, it's one thing.
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Speaker 1: You know, you're limited. You have this kind of limited
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Speaker 1: spectrum of people that they're going to come in contact with.
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Speaker 1: But as your profile rises, people become aware and you
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Speaker 1: can draw in all manner of folks into your world.
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Speaker 1: So as an investigator, you have to cover a very
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Speaker 1: broad spectrum, Nancy, simply because of the bandwidth as these
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Speaker 1: individuals have who they're reaching out to, maybe somebody they've
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Speaker 1: gotten cross with. You never know business dealings that have
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Speaker 1: gone bad, and so in a case like this you
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Speaker 1: have to be very, very meticulous. That's also why the
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Speaker 1: police are holding back on information. Nancy. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut three. This is from Flax fifty six.
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Speaker 1: Friends describe at Jordan Morgan as her father Wesley's pride
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Speaker 1: and joy. Now it's been a little over twenty four
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Speaker 1: hours since rom suspect entered Wesley's multi million dollar mentioned
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Speaker 1: on Willis Branch Road in Richmond. Wesley Morgan was shot
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Speaker 1: during the home invasion. He was taken to UK hospital
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Speaker 1: and has since been released. According to Steve Police, Wesley
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Speaker 1: shot back about Wesley's Jordan was killed. Authority say Jordan
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Speaker 1: Morgan lived part time at the Willis Branch home. The
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Speaker 1: thirty two year old just accepted a position as an
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Speaker 1: associate attorney at a Lexington law firm. Friends of the family, say,
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Speaker 1: Wesley lit up around his daughter. He was a very
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Speaker 1: proud father of her. She went to law school, and
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Speaker 1: you know, Wesley has been very successful, but you know,
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Speaker 1: to see him light up, was always talking about her
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Speaker 1: and talking about you know, being able to put her
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Speaker 1: through law school and going through all that and watching
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Speaker 1: her through all that. This morning, no arrests have been
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Speaker 1: made in Kentucky's Day of Police says this investigation is
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Speaker 1: still too early to know if there is a threat
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Speaker 1: to the public. Joining me right now is a very
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Speaker 1: special guest. It is Don Foster. This is Jordan, the
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Speaker 1: murder victims stepfather. Mister Foster, thank you for being with us. First,
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Speaker 1: I'm just sick with what has happened to your family.
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Speaker 1: I just hate it. And when I hear how proud
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Speaker 1: the father is, and I'm sure you are two of Jordan,
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Speaker 1: it just reminds me so much of my dad. That's
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Speaker 1: one person I know would never ever, I don't care
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Speaker 1: where he was, ever miss my program ever, not once.
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Speaker 1: I don't care where he was. He would find a
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Speaker 1: TV or else. He wouldn't go never. I remember the
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Speaker 1: day I graduated from law school after he and my
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Speaker 1: mother helped put me through law school in undergrad. He cried.
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Speaker 1: And here's the funny story, Don Foster. When I did
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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, of course, I was almost thrown
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Speaker 1: off the very first night, Dawn. And you know they
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Speaker 1: hold you in JEP what they called jeopardy, where you
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Speaker 1: and another person stand there and wait for them to
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Speaker 1: tell you who's going to get thrown off. I looked
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Speaker 1: across that stage and I saw my father crying, and
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Speaker 1: he had tears in his eyes because he thought I
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Speaker 1: was upset. Well, I didn't get through it off that night.
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Speaker 1: But that love, there's just there's nothing like it. And
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Speaker 1: boys and girls are different. I don't love one of
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Speaker 1: mine more than the other. But there's something different about
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Speaker 1: when I hugged my little Lucy versus when I hugged
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Speaker 1: my big boy John David. It's just one smile from
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Speaker 1: her and my heart just melts and hearing about her.
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Speaker 1: Just tell me about her. Let me just start with that.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about Jordan. Jordan was an awesome gal, and
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Speaker 1: she had so much love here for a mother, and
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Speaker 1: her mother had so much love for Jordan, and they
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time together. But she was a
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Speaker 1: very smart kid. Want to law school and she was
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Speaker 1: a prosecuting attorney for a while and she's ended up.
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Speaker 1: She worked eight days at this new job. She was
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Speaker 1: one of those job, dream jobs of a lifetime that
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Speaker 1: she just received and she was so excited about it.
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Speaker 1: And she's been there eight days when this happened. What
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Speaker 1: was the dream job, mister Foster, what was her knee jow?
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Speaker 1: It's a drink. Well, you know from her salary before that.
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Speaker 1: This was income with all the perks and downtown Lexton,
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Speaker 1: super nice office building, an office looking the downtown listing
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Speaker 1: and it was at her young age. It was just
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Speaker 1: as a lifelong dream for her to have a job
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Speaker 1: with this large company which has twelve offices in an
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty attorneys. And she's so excited, and I
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Speaker 1: am my wife. I'm a businessman. I was on the
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Speaker 1: real estate company here for fifty years and my wife's
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Speaker 1: a realder and she was sharing her homes in Lexton,
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Speaker 1: getting ready to moved to Lexton, and probably another couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks she would have been at that house. But
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Speaker 1: you know, just unfortunate, and we have in the funeral today.
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Speaker 1: At one visitation was last night and she had over
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Speaker 1: two thousand people that come by and in pay respect.
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Speaker 1: It was an awesome and an individual last night. For
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Speaker 1: so it's just unreal that that she's no longer here.
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Speaker 1: Special job. Oh mister Foster, how is your wife holding up?
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Speaker 1: It's I've never in my life, I've had five days
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Speaker 1: in my family and this has never been anything like. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she has not done well at home and was breaking
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Speaker 1: her heart. On top of this, it's you know Wesley
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Speaker 1: as this, you know he was politician and even he's
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Speaker 1: getting all they've never mentioned ever had her face on
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Speaker 1: all these TV stations and she said, nobody knows it.
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Speaker 1: I'm Jordan's mom and uh, and there's so much love
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Speaker 1: between these two. It's unreal, and it's it's just broke
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Speaker 1: her heart as all Wesley or Wesley and not lisaan
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Speaker 1: over her mother and she you know, her heart's already broken.
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Speaker 1: And then for her to say, well, nobody knows on
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Speaker 1: the TUE stations that I'm her mother, And well they
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Speaker 1: know now, mister Foster, they certainly know now. And I
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Speaker 1: know how you feel. Not no, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: you feel, but I can remember at my fiance's funeral
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Speaker 1: and it did not upset me at the time. But
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Speaker 1: I think about it that the pastor kept referring to
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Speaker 1: Keith's family and he would call me Mary, and it's
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Speaker 1: just and I'm hearing what you're saying. All this time,
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Speaker 1: Wesley Morgan, the politician, has been the one who's a
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Speaker 1: focus of all the love towards Jordan. When I can
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Speaker 1: tell you right now my husband would disagree. Nobody lost
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Speaker 1: my children more than me, nobody, And just to feel
22:12
Speaker 1: so helpless with her coming into the home, the perp
22:17
Speaker 1: coming into home as she lay sleeping, Jordan was totally defenseless,
22:22
Speaker 1: mister Foster, she was asleep, Nancy. They I don't if
22:27
Speaker 1: you want me to tell you a little bit, wi
22:28
Speaker 1: me and I know what's like the back of my hand.
22:33
Speaker 1: When they called us that morning, we ran over there,
22:35
Speaker 1: but they had a mister Morgan had a scafflin. They
22:38
Speaker 1: were working on side of the home, and Jordan had
22:41
Speaker 1: the upstairs and her bedrooms off in this balcony. Well,
22:45
Speaker 1: they skilled. They tried the camera shows. They tried to
22:47
Speaker 1: get in the front door. So he went up the
22:50
Speaker 1: scaffline from his balcon and then shot the law off
22:54
Speaker 1: in horse or bed was at there, and then they shot.
22:58
Speaker 1: The ordan was in asleep and they shot several times,
23:01
Speaker 1: and detective indicated that she know she wasn't up and
23:06
Speaker 1: moving around and she was shot in her sleep. And
23:10
Speaker 1: you know, it's just, you know, it just saves a
23:14
Speaker 1: heartbread of your chest. I mean, the thought that someone
23:21
Speaker 1: could break into your home on your watch. You're the parent,
23:26
Speaker 1: You're responsible for their safety, all right, you know, mister Foster,
23:33
Speaker 1: with all the stories I cover in the cases I
23:35
Speaker 1: investigate there, it's not an exaggeration to say I'm up
23:40
Speaker 1: at least four to five times a night worried, and
23:44
Speaker 1: I just go in and look at the twins as
23:46
Speaker 1: they lay sleeping, and in my head, I know the
23:50
Speaker 1: likelihood of anything happening to them is far fetched, astronomical,
23:54
Speaker 1: but it's on me to protect them and watch over them.
23:58
Speaker 1: I just the lance must just be completely distraught. I
24:04
Speaker 1: don't know how your wife is getting through it. She's
24:07
Speaker 1: having a difficult time. We've had it's oh, I mean
24:12
Speaker 1: just there were a few minutes and if you just
24:14
Speaker 1: can't believe in it's it's really broken her and we'll
24:18
Speaker 1: get through it, but we'll never be the same. Our
24:21
Speaker 1: last will never be the same. What devil straight from
24:27
Speaker 1: hell would do this, as we now learn new information
24:33
Speaker 1: that the front door was tried. When that didn't work,
24:36
Speaker 1: the part was so intent he crawled up the side
24:40
Speaker 1: of the building on scaffolding. Yes, go ahead, mister Foster,
24:46
Speaker 1: I was saying, yes, that's true. They'd had scapine or
24:49
Speaker 1: you know, we're then working on southe house and that's
24:51
Speaker 1: how you got an entry in. And you know my opinion,
24:55
Speaker 1: it was not a murdery, of course, he just shot
24:58
Speaker 1: her several times. And are and a R what straight
25:04
Speaker 1: out to you? I guess Del Carson and Joe Scott
25:07
Speaker 1: more Go will be the best to answer that question. Dale.
25:09
Speaker 1: You want to take a crack at at first, and
25:11
Speaker 1: a R was the weapon. I saw it rifle speed
25:14
Speaker 1: bullets and when it when it hits, it leaves a
25:18
Speaker 1: hydrostatic shock, and uh, at that distance which would apparently
25:23
Speaker 1: was pretty short, it would have all men almost been
25:26
Speaker 1: instantaneous death. What's rather surprising is that the the father
25:32
Speaker 1: there uh got it hit apparently three times and that's
25:37
Speaker 1: a miracle that he survived. I mean, Joe Scott and
25:40
Speaker 1: AAR looks like a machine gun. No, yeah, yeah, and
25:43
Speaker 1: you know it's based on a military platform. It's AAR
25:46
Speaker 1: actually stands for arm a light. It's what the original
25:51
Speaker 1: M sixteen was based upon, and so it has You know,
25:54
Speaker 1: the earlier models had a switch, a selector switch from
25:57
Speaker 1: semi automatic to full automatic. So when you say machine gun,
26:00
Speaker 1: you're talking about a fully automatic weapon. In this case,
26:02
Speaker 1: it's probably semi automatic. But to Dale's point, yeah, this
26:06
Speaker 1: is a very powerful round. Tiny round, but very powerful.
26:09
Speaker 1: It delivers a tremendous amount of energy. Jordan god Wrestor,
26:14
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have had a chance at this range, and
26:18
Speaker 1: the fact that this was done as she lay sleeping night.
26:22
Speaker 1: I find it very curious that this person was very purposed, Nancy,
26:26
Speaker 1: because it's not like he scaled or entered this house
26:30
Speaker 1: carrying a concealed handgun in his waistband. You're talking about
26:34
Speaker 1: a shoulder fired firearm. This is a rifle that he's
26:38
Speaker 1: carrying up the scaffoling as he is getting into so
26:42
Speaker 1: into the residence. This tells me that this person was
26:44
Speaker 1: very very purposed in going into this environment. And a
26:48
Speaker 1: fifteen style rifle, any lightweight semi automatic rifle based on
26:54
Speaker 1: the cult AAR fifteen design as Joe Scott stated the
26:59
Speaker 1: original I'm allt AAR fifteen scaled down derivative of the
27:03
Speaker 1: AAR ten design and they look like they're straight from Hale.
27:08
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten Elliott's eighteen. Police
27:12
Speaker 1: say they're looking for twenty three year old Shannon gil
27:14
Speaker 1: Day of Taylor Mill, Kentucky, and they consider him armed
27:18
Speaker 1: and dangerous. Gilday is alleged to have forced his way
27:21
Speaker 1: into the home behind me around four am Tuesday, armed
27:24
Speaker 1: with a rifle. Police say he then shot and killed
27:27
Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan, who was in bed at the time. An
27:30
Speaker 1: exchange of gunfire then allegedly broke out between Gilday and
27:33
Speaker 1: Morgan's father, businessman and former state lawmaker C. Wesley Morgan,
27:37
Speaker 1: who was shot but has since been released from the hospital.
27:40
Speaker 1: Gilday lives in Northern Kentucky, the region where Jordan Morgan
27:44
Speaker 1: had worked as a prosecutor. As far as connections between
27:48
Speaker 1: the victim and the alleged suspect, there's still a lot
27:52
Speaker 1: of things that we're looking at at this time. I
27:54
Speaker 1: don't believe that there's any connection between the two. Previously,
27:59
Speaker 1: I believe that we have information and based on our
28:01
Speaker 1: initial investigation that was not she was not necessarily the
28:05
Speaker 1: particular target. Police have an active rest warrant out on
28:09
Speaker 1: guil Day for murder and several other charges. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to a special guest, Corny King Fox nineteen n ow
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Speaker 1: nw x i X Who is this guy? Guilda, Yes, so, Nancy.
28:23
Speaker 1: We've learned a bit about his background. We know he's
28:26
Speaker 1: twenty three years old. His full name is Shannon Vincent Gilda.
28:30
Speaker 1: We've learned he went by Vince, but his mother when
28:33
Speaker 1: she made her Facebook post begging for him to turn
28:36
Speaker 1: himself in, she referred to him as Shannon. So we've
28:39
Speaker 1: used this full name just because some people know Ms Shannon,
28:41
Speaker 1: some people know him that since. But we did learn
28:44
Speaker 1: through our reporting that he was once in the Army
28:48
Speaker 1: from it looks like August of twenty eighteen to October
28:51
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, and a source did confirm to us
28:55
Speaker 1: that he was dishonorably discharged from the army, So that's
28:59
Speaker 1: one thing. We also know that he was living in
29:02
Speaker 1: an apartment complex called The Farm. This is in Taylor Millkentucky,
29:06
Speaker 1: which is about fifteen minutes or so from downtown Cincinnati,
29:10
Speaker 1: and through speaking with some of his neighbors and neighbor
29:13
Speaker 1: told us that about a week before the crime happened,
29:17
Speaker 1: Shannon Gilda knocked on her door and asked to use
29:20
Speaker 1: her computer. She said they knew each other in passing
29:23
Speaker 1: and had lived next to each other for about two years,
29:25
Speaker 1: so she didn't think that was strange at first. However,
29:29
Speaker 1: she says that he took out a thumb drive asked
29:32
Speaker 1: her to put files on her computer, and that's when
29:34
Speaker 1: she got a little uncomfortable. And she says that those
29:37
Speaker 1: files were labeled to whoever and were also about Russia
29:41
Speaker 1: and the Ukraine. And she alleges that Shannon Gilda told
29:45
Speaker 1: her that those files would be updated soon. She says
29:48
Speaker 1: as soon as he left, she deleted them. However, when
29:51
Speaker 1: she found out he was a wanted suspect, she did
29:54
Speaker 1: come forward in contact POLICEE. So, just some things that
29:59
Speaker 1: have been going on that the neighbor says it which
30:03
Speaker 1: she was very uncomfortable. That is extremely bizarre. Courtney Cake.
30:07
Speaker 1: So he goes into his neighbor's home just before the shooting,
30:10
Speaker 1: a couple of days before the shooting of the victim
30:13
Speaker 1: in this case, a beautiful young girl out of law school,
30:17
Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan, just landed her dream job, the love of
30:22
Speaker 1: her mother's life. He goes in, does her dana her sleep,
30:26
Speaker 1: and he's downloading files on the USSR and Ukraine. Yeah,
30:31
Speaker 1: that's that's what this neighbor said. And she did say
30:35
Speaker 1: she found it very bizarre. When we spoke with her,
30:38
Speaker 1: she was so nervous about him still being on the
30:41
Speaker 1: run that she didn't want us to show her face
30:42
Speaker 1: or use her name, which we completely understand, but yes,
30:46
Speaker 1: that is one thing that she said. And then his mother,
30:51
Speaker 1: when she released the statement, she said that her son
30:55
Speaker 1: had not had not been in the right sound of mine,
30:58
Speaker 1: alluding to that he was having mental health issues. The
31:01
Speaker 1: mother also said in her statement that he had been
31:03
Speaker 1: talking about building a bunker and thought that, you know,
31:08
Speaker 1: a nuclear war was going to happen. So we did
31:12
Speaker 1: ask once we found out that the home did have
31:14
Speaker 1: a bunker, and then the mother posting, you know that
31:18
Speaker 1: he was speaking about and funker. We did check with
31:21
Speaker 1: Kentucky State Police to see if that was the motive
31:24
Speaker 1: behind what happened. They did tell us that it is possible,
31:27
Speaker 1: They think that that is a possibility, but they told
31:30
Speaker 1: us repeatedly that they won't understand the motive until they
31:33
Speaker 1: are able to speak with him. Well, okay, a twenty
31:40
Speaker 1: japan You know it's important to note here that people
31:42
Speaker 1: who are dishonorably discharged from the military are not allowed
31:46
Speaker 1: to possess firearms. I didn't know that. I did not
31:50
Speaker 1: know that. Del Carson, I can tell recognize your voice.
31:54
Speaker 1: A high profile lawyer out of Jackson and former fed
31:56
Speaker 1: with the FBI. A twenty three year old suspect wanted
32:02
Speaker 1: a bolo be on the lookout for this guy for
32:05
Speaker 1: shooting dead a Kentucky lawmaker's daughter as she lay asleep
32:09
Speaker 1: in her bed. So hell bent on getting in, he
32:14
Speaker 1: crossed up scaffolding on the side of the mansion while
32:18
Speaker 1: carrying an r assault rifle. Then he goes on the
32:24
Speaker 1: Lamb Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. So question Chris Adams
32:45
Speaker 1: joining us from the wire Grass Ecological and Cultural Project. Chris,
32:49
Speaker 1: First of all, what are you facing if you are
32:53
Speaker 1: trying to hide out in the wilderness at this time
32:56
Speaker 1: of year in Kentucky. Well, depending on the area, you're
33:00
Speaker 1: looking at a lot of woodlands, some of the streams
33:04
Speaker 1: maybe a little high. There's an abundant amount of rainfall
33:06
Speaker 1: in an area, The biggest thing right now with the
33:09
Speaker 1: temperature is getting down into the thirties at night and
33:12
Speaker 1: jumping up into the fifties and sixties during the day
33:15
Speaker 1: is if one was to get wet, they might actually
33:17
Speaker 1: have to deal with hypothermia, and once that sets in,
33:21
Speaker 1: you know that's dangerous for anybody. Well, okay, let's try
33:25
Speaker 1: to narrow this down with me. He swamp survival expert
33:28
Speaker 1: Chris Items. Based on what we know of Kentucky terrain,
33:32
Speaker 1: where would he be camping if he's trying to elude
33:36
Speaker 1: police or the heads. I mean, he's going to be
33:39
Speaker 1: looking for areas that are secluded away from people. He's
33:43
Speaker 1: not going to be in those main camping areas or
33:46
Speaker 1: probably traveling along marked hiking trails. He's going to be
33:49
Speaker 1: beating a path through the woods if he is a survivalist.
33:54
Speaker 1: But we do know he was in the army. We
33:57
Speaker 1: know he knows how to handle a weapon, But is
34:00
Speaker 1: he is survivalists going for a day trip in your
34:03
Speaker 1: boy scout tents a lot different from living in the wild.
34:08
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Chris Adams, what would you
34:11
Speaker 1: be looking for if you were trying to follow his trail?
34:15
Speaker 1: So if he's going through dent's brush, He's going to
34:18
Speaker 1: leave a trail much wider than a deer or a
34:21
Speaker 1: rabbit or a bobcat. You're going to be looking for
34:24
Speaker 1: broken branches, down grass, trampled areas. It would be easy
34:28
Speaker 1: to distinguish a human trail from an animal trail or
34:31
Speaker 1: game trail like that. I think it's much too cold
34:34
Speaker 1: right now for snakes to come out. I don't know
34:36
Speaker 1: if that's right. But would wildlife be a concern at all?
34:41
Speaker 1: Chris Adams. Essentially, there's nothing in that area of the
34:44
Speaker 1: country that's going to go out of its way to
34:46
Speaker 1: harm you, you know, bears, bobcats, etc. The biggest concern
34:51
Speaker 1: that one would have being out there in the wilderness
34:53
Speaker 1: like that would be hypothermia setting in. As I mentioned, basically,
34:57
Speaker 1: you the weather conditions can change up on your quick
35:00
Speaker 1: you know. To Courtney King, reporter Fox nineteen n OW
35:03
Speaker 1: and w X I X Courtney, how was he first identified?
35:08
Speaker 1: So we do know from the Kentucky State Police. They
35:10
Speaker 1: say that a tipster came forward on Tuesday night and
35:14
Speaker 1: then he was later identified on Thursday. The Kentucky State
35:18
Speaker 1: Police have been very vague with that information. We really
35:21
Speaker 1: don't know who that tipster is. So that's kind of
35:24
Speaker 1: what got the investigation going, is that once someone came
35:28
Speaker 1: forward seeing what happened, seeing the news, they came forward
35:32
Speaker 1: and then alerted police. So are you saying it's because
35:35
Speaker 1: of surveillance video that I don't know. We just know
35:38
Speaker 1: that a tipster saw the reports that Jordan Morgan had
35:42
Speaker 1: been shot and killed, saw the news reports, something triggered
35:46
Speaker 1: them in their brain. They came forward to police to
35:50
Speaker 1: give a tip about Shannon gil Day. Apparently they knew
35:53
Speaker 1: they had some information and about him and then came
35:55
Speaker 1: forward once they saw reports. Do we have any idea
35:58
Speaker 1: of what this guy did for a living? Who is he?
36:01
Speaker 1: Courtney King? What do we know? We're not quite sure
36:04
Speaker 1: what he was doing. According to his Facebook page and
36:09
Speaker 1: things that neighbors said, it looks like he was working
36:11
Speaker 1: as either a waiter, a server, or as a bartender.
36:14
Speaker 1: Neighbors said that they would often see him coming out
36:17
Speaker 1: of the building six to seven o'clock at night, dressed
36:19
Speaker 1: nice like he was going to a restaurant. So they
36:22
Speaker 1: believe that he was working in the service industry. And
36:24
Speaker 1: then the guy is no more mentally ill than the
36:27
Speaker 1: man in the moon coming out at night, dressed up
36:30
Speaker 1: to go out. Oh h double l No, don't even
36:34
Speaker 1: start with me, cross and about mental illness, take a
36:37
Speaker 1: listen out twelve our friends at WCPO nine after the shooting.
36:40
Speaker 1: It appears that there's a possibility that he was injured.
36:43
Speaker 1: We obtained Madison County Assessor public records which shows some
36:47
Speaker 1: of the exteriors of the home Friday. A clearer picture
36:50
Speaker 1: coming from Shannon's mother on Facebook. She says she tried
36:53
Speaker 1: getting him psychiatric help and that he hadn't been of
36:56
Speaker 1: sound mind the last couple of weeks, adding that he
36:59
Speaker 1: is distraught with a certainty and nuclear war is imminent.
37:02
Speaker 1: He spoke of building a bunker and the CIA following him.
37:06
Speaker 1: Kentucky State Police say it's possible the house he targeted
37:09
Speaker 1: has a bunker inside, and that something investigators are actively
37:13
Speaker 1: looking into. The public records show the home, but make
37:16
Speaker 1: no mention of the possible underground bunker. And while we
37:20
Speaker 1: don't have permission to show you, we have seen multiple
37:22
Speaker 1: pictures inside of the home of an underground bunker. Okay,
37:27
Speaker 1: isn't it on Zilla Courtney King? I mean this guy
37:30
Speaker 1: is convincer's going to be nuclear war. He wants underground bunker.
37:34
Speaker 1: This time has an underground bucker. It's really hard for
37:37
Speaker 1: me to take in that could be motive for murder.
37:40
Speaker 1: Can't you see online? Yes, Nancy, so you could go
37:44
Speaker 1: to Garrett's Garrett's Real Estate Group, but then also Zillow
37:48
Speaker 1: as well has some Morgan family home posted and you
37:51
Speaker 1: can go through the pictures online and you can see
37:53
Speaker 1: photos of the bunker like that. Reporter said, Unfortunately, we
37:57
Speaker 1: don't have permission to use that in our reports, so
37:59
Speaker 1: we just had to describe what it looks like, and
38:03
Speaker 1: you know how it was built, what did it look like?
38:06
Speaker 1: Very large. There's also what looks like a pantry with
38:09
Speaker 1: a lot of canned and nonperishable goods. The colors are
38:12
Speaker 1: white with blue trim doors. It looks like there's a
38:16
Speaker 1: door that almost almost looks like a safe at a bank.
38:21
Speaker 1: We know that there's two tunnels that are considered escape tunnels,
38:25
Speaker 1: and there's pictures of that. And again there's a picture,
38:28
Speaker 1: if you're able to look at it, Dancy, of a
38:30
Speaker 1: pantry where it looks like there's just a very very
38:33
Speaker 1: large supply of nonperishable goods. Guys, I am I am
38:38
Speaker 1: hearing right now the suspect in the shooting of the
38:44
Speaker 1: young woman, Jordan Morgan, suspect Shannon Vincent Guilda, has been apprehended.
38:53
Speaker 1: We're getting the report that he was walking along Barnes
38:57
Speaker 1: Mill Road in Madison County. He didn't make it very far.
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Speaker 1: Don Foster, what are they telling you about the arrest? Yes, ma'am.
39:06
Speaker 1: He was a captured on the overpass of H seventy
39:12
Speaker 1: five at X eighty seven, and that's about a one
39:15
Speaker 1: mile approximate to the Morrigan home. So he was very
39:19
Speaker 1: close by my office complexes backs up to that lamp
39:25
Speaker 1: and the whole back parking lot covered with law enforcement
39:30
Speaker 1: vehicles looking for clues. But I've been told liable source,
39:35
Speaker 1: reliable source that he was seen in the Morion area
39:41
Speaker 1: walking around by one of the neighbors and they reported it.
39:45
Speaker 1: So I don't know if he was left Richmond or not.
39:48
Speaker 1: They have captured and he was wearing an all black
39:51
Speaker 1: He was dressed in a black attire. It sounds like
39:55
Speaker 1: the same clothes he was wearing at the time he
39:59
Speaker 1: gunned down the victim, Jordan Morgan, lying there asleep in
40:04
Speaker 1: her bedroom. Courtney King just a mile away. He must
40:07
Speaker 1: have been hiding out in the woods. Yeah, we still
40:10
Speaker 1: don't know for sure. Like Don was saying, if you
40:13
Speaker 1: left her, if he came back, but what I can't
40:15
Speaker 1: tell you. When I spoke with Kentucky State Police this morning,
40:18
Speaker 1: they did say that he was not armed when they
40:21
Speaker 1: found him, and also he was not injured. And we
40:23
Speaker 1: do know from reports that mister Morgan said that he
40:26
Speaker 1: thought he might have struck Guilde in the gunfire exchange. However,
40:31
Speaker 1: police are telling us that he did not appear to
40:33
Speaker 1: be injured, and again, he did not have a gun
40:36
Speaker 1: with him, He was not armed, So we still don't know.
40:38
Speaker 1: We know that there are wooded areas or forest wooded
40:42
Speaker 1: areas over in Madison County, but we still don't know
40:45
Speaker 1: if he ever left or if he was just hanging
40:47
Speaker 1: out and hiding nearby. I mean that tells me Jerry Crossing,
40:51
Speaker 1: he is not mentally ill. He's hiding, he's ditches weapons
40:55
Speaker 1: and he gets caught. Well, a lot of people you
40:58
Speaker 1: don't have been so much logically unstable, but you can
41:01
Speaker 1: be delusional, you know if you look at his behavior,
41:04
Speaker 1: I mean, he was assaulting the house. It was like
41:06
Speaker 1: going through a clearing the house like in a military operation.
41:11
Speaker 1: You know his point of entry. He just shot in
41:14
Speaker 1: and he basically met resistance. Is probably why he left.
41:18
Speaker 1: But you know, if he could have cleared the house,
41:21
Speaker 1: he would have took the house over possibly and gone
41:24
Speaker 1: to that bunker, locked himself in the bunker. I mean,
41:27
Speaker 1: you can't tell. From the delusional state of mind, you
41:30
Speaker 1: know what they're thinking. You just got to look at
41:31
Speaker 1: their behavior. Mister Foster place, now as the funeral approaches,
41:39
Speaker 1: how much we are praying for your family, and please
41:45
Speaker 1: please pass on our thoughts and prayers to your wife,
41:51
Speaker 1: Lisa Foster, Jordan's mother. I surely will. I know she'll
41:56
Speaker 1: appreciate that because it's been a tough road and one
42:00
Speaker 1: thing and it's just a guest. Nancy lived here all
42:04
Speaker 1: my life, knowing the layout of everything. My office building
42:08
Speaker 1: is the last building there on the ramp, and that
42:11
Speaker 1: the side of me is I call it to moteel
42:14
Speaker 1: from Hell because the deal grows the other and it
42:18
Speaker 1: would insprise me as all if he was standing that
42:21
Speaker 1: little cheap motel which is right next to the ramp
42:25
Speaker 1: going over our seventy five there, which is about a
42:28
Speaker 1: mile from the Morgan's property. Now it's just a guess.
42:32
Speaker 1: No one's told me that, but you know, if there's
42:35
Speaker 1: a good possibility that could have happened. You know what's important,
42:39
Speaker 1: mister foster Man, that we find out every single scrap
42:44
Speaker 1: of evidence, even a sintilla of evidence about this purpose
42:48
Speaker 1: and what he has been doing in the day since
42:51
Speaker 1: he gunned down Morgan in her sleep to combat an
42:56
Speaker 1: insanity defense at trial, and shaking into a hotel, staying
43:01
Speaker 1: there undetected or camping out living in the wild shows
43:06
Speaker 1: a great deal of mental acumen and they're gonna need
43:10
Speaker 1: this every bit of evidence at trial. If you know anything,
43:16
Speaker 1: please dial eight five nine six two three two four
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Speaker 1: zero four repeat eight five nine six two three two
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Speaker 1: four zero four. Nancy Grace Crimes story signing off, goodbye,
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Speaker 1: Fred