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54. The War at Christmas · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 2: You're thinking quite your jibber jab, but in fact me,
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  Speaker 1: But first we've good to gain our source on.
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  Speaker 2: Our sources are.
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  Speaker 1: Trench Warfare nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighty, The Live and
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  Speaker 1: Let Live System by Tony Ashworth, Meeting on No Man's
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  Speaker 1: Land Christmas nineteen fourteen and Fraternization in the Great War
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  Speaker 1: by Malcolm Brown. Silent Night, The Story of the World
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  Speaker 1: War One, Christmas Truce by Stanley Weintraump, The Christmas Truce
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  Speaker 1: Myth Memory and the First World War by Terry bloom Croker,
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  Speaker 1: Truce in the Forest by Fritz Vincoln, Unsolved Mysteries, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the TV show War History Online dot com, and of
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  Speaker 1: course our old friends History dot Com. I was sitting
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  Speaker 1: comfortably good. Then let's begin. First things first, this week's
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  Speaker 1: episode is actually dedicated to my dear friend Matt. Matt
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  Speaker 1: is a sometime historical reinactor and future historian. As I
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  Speaker 1: have ranted many times on this podcast, military history is
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  Speaker 1: not really at the top of my sort of knowledge set.
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  Speaker 1: To say, it's not my forte it is true that
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  Speaker 1: that's factually correct.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 1: And like most things that I do not have an
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  Speaker 1: expertise in, I will reach out and speak to someone
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  Speaker 1: who has a level of expertise, who has a knowledge
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  Speaker 1: that I don't have.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay not to know shit.
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  Speaker 1: That's why a lot of you listen to me. You
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  Speaker 1: don't know everything I'm going to tell you. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know everything I'm going to tell you. There's a
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  Speaker 1: possibility I spoke about something in episode and seven.
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  Speaker 2: You could repeat it to me. It might not even
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  Speaker 2: be in my brain anymore.
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  Speaker 1: It could just be gone, like I radiate today. Forgive me.
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  Speaker 1: But when I don't have expertise in something, I go
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  Speaker 1: ask Because even if, say, for example, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: know about muskets or bayonets, I had a bayonet question,
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  Speaker 1: and so I was asking him like about how bayonets
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  Speaker 1: and how they work, and like just general weapony questions,
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  Speaker 1: weapony weaponry questions. So I don't have the answers for stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and if he doesn't have the answer, he can definitely
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  Speaker 1: point me in the direction of where to find it,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So he has been helping me a lot
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  Speaker 1: with some questions I had regarding certain things. And so,
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  Speaker 1: my dear friend, this episode is for you because this
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  Speaker 1: is about the war at Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: The war on Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: You say no, no, no, no, at at Christmas. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why this episode is a little bit different, because
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  Speaker 1: it's more of a theme than one cohesive story because
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  Speaker 1: I thought this is pretty interesting and not everybody knows
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  Speaker 1: all about all of this, and I don't usually talk
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  Speaker 1: about wary a lot, but I thought this is kind
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  Speaker 1: of more fun and it's more social morkin of my alley.
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  Speaker 1: So we are going to start off with the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fourteen Christmas Truce. Now, quite a lot of you know
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  Speaker 1: about this. You've seen the Cadbury's advert where they're kicking
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  Speaker 1: a football on the field. And if you don't know this,
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  Speaker 1: we'll sit down and get ready to be informed about things.
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  Speaker 1: So the Great War, as it was known at the time,
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  Speaker 1: it had been raging for several months. Like they were told,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be you know, a couple months, you'll be home.
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  Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be over, lads, chill. It was not chill, and
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  Speaker 1: it was not over. So by the time Christmas starts
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  Speaker 1: coming around, you've got so much shit, you have a
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  Speaker 1: lack of morale. You have trench foot. Everybody trench foot.
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  Speaker 1: So the one thing I mainly know about World War
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  Speaker 1: One has trench foot lice. How they would light matches
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  Speaker 1: and just.
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  Speaker 2: Pop the lice off their body.
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  Speaker 1: They would just you know, like snap, crackle and pop
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  Speaker 1: like the cereal. That's what it was like to just
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  Speaker 1: burn the lice off the body. This is not This
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  Speaker 1: is a segue back into it. So yeah, they are
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  Speaker 1: in these, let's face it, in humane conditions. They are
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  Speaker 1: just murdering each other left and right. And it's coming
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  Speaker 1: up to Christmas and Pope Benedict he's like, I think
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  Speaker 1: there should be a truce as it is. Christmas Jesus
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  Speaker 1: would want it this way. And the generals and the
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  Speaker 1: higher ups are like, don't be ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: No, we have a war to win.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to stop and have a truce.
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  Speaker 2: What Bobby Cog is this? No?
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  Speaker 1: And then Christmas Eve rolls up and it is wet,
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  Speaker 1: it is muddy. These men have been crouched in trenches
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  Speaker 1: for months. They're in this robberous of fucking terror. They
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  Speaker 1: are very aware this is a liver dye situation. They
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  Speaker 1: could lose themselves, their family, their friends if they fail.
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  Speaker 1: What happens to everyone back home? Do they feel themselves,
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  Speaker 1: do they feel their country? Do they fail their comrades?
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  Speaker 1: They could lose their lives. They are suffering from insomnia.
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  Speaker 1: They're seeing the faces of they're dead when they close
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  Speaker 1: their eyes they're trying to smoke cigarettes that are too
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  Speaker 1: damp to light. They're trying to eat biscuits that are
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  Speaker 1: too stale. They say it to the hope that kills you,
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  Speaker 1: and to them, hope is a soft bed and a
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  Speaker 1: warm embrace, something that they know they may never feel again.
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  Speaker 2: And on the.
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  Speaker 1: Pitch black winter's night, December twenty fourth, nineteen fourteen, instead
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  Speaker 1: of silence.
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  Speaker 2: They hear silent night Stay, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: Coming from the German soldiers in the trenches, what like
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  Speaker 1: several feet away. The trenches are actually so much closer
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  Speaker 1: than you think. It's like six feet three feet. There
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  Speaker 1: isn't a huge amount of space. The Germans are singing carols.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, it's Christmas Eve.
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  Speaker 1: See. Here's the thing about Germany anyway, is that Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: the general christmasiness of it all, it is done on
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, not Christmas Day. Christmas Eve is the bigger celebration.
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  Speaker 1: So that's when they would so of course they're singing.
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  Speaker 1: They're singing their carols. And as as the as the
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  Speaker 1: British soldiers crouch in the trenches, their clothes sodden with
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  Speaker 1: water and mud, they hear a German voice shout out, come.
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  Speaker 2: Over here, and he's like, I'm not coming.
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  Speaker 1: Over there because he's suspicious as fuck, because of course
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  Speaker 1: you are, because that's the enemy. They tried to shoot.
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  Speaker 2: You earlier in the day.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, fine, I'll come out if you come out.
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  Speaker 2: So they meet halfway.
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  Speaker 1: And they start sharing stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So like they're giving tobacco to each other. Pipe tobacco.
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  Speaker 1: That's you know, they can actually smoke and listen, nobody's
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  Speaker 1: promoting smoking on this podcast, but if you're at physical war,
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  Speaker 1: like literally, I'm gonna allow you a cigarette, I think
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  Speaker 1: you can have it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna yuck your yum in
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  Speaker 2: this situation.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no. So they're like giving tobacco and they're showing
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  Speaker 1: pictures of their women back home. They're chatting and laughing,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like swapping chocolate. Can you imagine like you've
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  Speaker 1: been living off absolute gruel and just.
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  Speaker 2: Snuff and other shit and you're being given chocolate.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's you're definitely you're definitely feeling good now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and wine. They had wine, so you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, they basically have a party, like in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of a war and they're just having drinks and sweets
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  Speaker 1: with the enemy. Like and it wasn't just on No
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  Speaker 1: Man's land that this sort of happened. These little truces
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  Speaker 1: sort of happened all over all over the show and
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  Speaker 1: like all over the Western Front.
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  Speaker 2: Like these little truces just kept happening.
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  Speaker 1: And he was without you know, any permission from the
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  Speaker 1: higher ups from command at all.
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  Speaker 2: These soldiers were just like, fuck, this were a game
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  Speaker 2: of soldiers. We need a break. And so for some
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 1: Something as simple as giving them time to reclean they're dead.
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  Speaker 1: For others they're sharing gifts. And for some these tresses
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  Speaker 1: actually lasted for several days, you know, for recuperation and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, chilling out morale, just somebody can have
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  Speaker 1: one night's sleep and all of this sort of weird stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I say weird because you know, you're at actual war
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  Speaker 2: starts happening all across the front.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got Germans using candles to like Christmas trees,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, doesn't seem like the smartest idea. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: everything is basically frozen, so there's probably a little damage
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  Speaker 1: to be done.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so they've got their candles.
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  Speaker 1: I know, Christmas trees were ridginally done with candles, don't
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  Speaker 1: at me so like they're lighting fucking trees up And.
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  Speaker 2: One British soldier, as it turns out, was a barber.
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  Speaker 2: So he sets up this little like impromptu barber shop
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  Speaker 2: and he starts charging the Germans like two cigarettes each
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  Speaker 2: for like a haircut or shave.
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  Speaker 1: I fucking love it. I am obsessed with like human ingenuity.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone who's listened to me for a while knows this,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's really it's really, I fucking love us.
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  Speaker 1: He's just like, yep, setting up shop. I've got a
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  Speaker 1: skill set. Your beards are really bushy. You need to
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  Speaker 1: sort this out. This is just not a look that's
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  Speaker 1: working for you. And I would like to be paid
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  Speaker 1: in cigarettes and maybe some chocolate please thanks. And then
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  Speaker 1: on No Man's Land, as sort of the Germans and
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  Speaker 1: the British and the Belgians are all just kind of there, a.
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  Speaker 2: Football appears from the British side, I might add like
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  Speaker 2: it came from the British side, not the German side.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is every every account I've read says
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  Speaker 2: it definitely came from the Brits, which is good enough.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, are we really surprised they really love football
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  Speaker 2: that much. They were like, we're bringing it to war.
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  Speaker 1: And so the ball comes up and like and it
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  Speaker 1: starts off with like a couple people playing kick about,
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  Speaker 1: and then it just builds to a point where there's
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  Speaker 1: just like there was one report that said that there
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  Speaker 1: was a couple of hundred people taking part in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Like it just so massive and all these men were
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  Speaker 2: just so.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, like like it decompressed.
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  Speaker 2: It was cathartic. It was something that.
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  Speaker 1: Was needed for the morale of war. And so they
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  Speaker 1: play this massive fucking game of football with a ridiculous
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  Speaker 1: amount of players.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, was there a goalie? Like there are questions
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  Speaker 2: I have to ask, like did they have goalies?
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  Speaker 1: Like did they think that hands over there was going
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  Speaker 1: to be putting goals and we were gonna have like
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  Speaker 1: gerald over here in our end?
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  Speaker 2: Like who was the reef? Was there were ref? No?
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  Speaker 1: Not?
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine being the ref? I was like, nah,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't all fun and games though. There were some
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  Speaker 2: truths as well.
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  Speaker 1: They were happening that you know, there would be soldiers
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  Speaker 1: out in no man's land just you know, chatting and
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  Speaker 1: the other side would just sniper them, which is I mean,
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  Speaker 1: rude if nothing else.
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  Speaker 3: And at the end of this, when you know, everything
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  Speaker 3: went back to normal, Like people who were known to
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  Speaker 3: have been involved in this truce, especially on the British end,
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  Speaker 3: which we would know more about, Like there was a
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  Speaker 3: lot of.
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  Speaker 1: Punishment for recognizing with the enemy like it was.
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  Speaker 2: They were not happy because they didn't want the.
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  Speaker 1: Other soldiers the enemy to be seen as human. You
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  Speaker 1: don't want to humanize your enemy. You don't want them
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  Speaker 1: to be a fully fledged, you know person, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with hopes and dreams and a.
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  Speaker 2: Family and everything else.
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  Speaker 1: You want them to just be the bad guy because
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  Speaker 1: it's easier to get your men to just kill the
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  Speaker 1: bad guy. That's an objective. He's bad, he needs to go.
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  Speaker 1: But when you humanize that person and you realize that
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  Speaker 1: they're just doing the exact same thing that you're.
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  Speaker 2: Doing, then that leads to issues like you don't want that,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: And as a result of this, as a result of
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  Speaker 1: the Christmas Truth, there was a ban on this kind
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  Speaker 1: of fratnization, which is why it never happened again.
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  Speaker 2: Like this didn't happen, especially not on this scale. This
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  Speaker 2: did not happen post nineteen fourteen, like it's the this
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  Speaker 2: truce particularly has not happened before, and it did not
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  Speaker 2: happen since, like this was underlined, like nope, not happening again,
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  Speaker 2: not being said. There was at least one wartime Christmas
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  Speaker 2: truth that happened post nineteen fourteen, and that is in
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  Speaker 2: Belgium in World War Two.
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  Speaker 1: My Katie, what a smooth transition that was.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good segue, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, So the Alden Forest in Belgium, which I've
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  Speaker 1: probably mispronounced horrifically, you know, December sixty and the Nazis
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  Speaker 1: launched this surprise attack on the Allied forces and this
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  Speaker 1: becomes known as the Battle of the Bulge.
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  Speaker 2: You may have heard of it.
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  Speaker 1: It is this brazen, last ditch attempt to take the
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  Speaker 1: Western Front. It really is, and it is fucking brutal,
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  Speaker 1: Like it is heavy.
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  Speaker 2: The losses are massive.
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  Speaker 1: On each side, and it's made worse by, like I think,
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  Speaker 1: a week.
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  Speaker 2: Later, massive snowstorms. You've got blizzards, you've got fog, you've
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  Speaker 2: got rain. Everything is just fucked like it is cold,
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  Speaker 2: it is wet, and your vision's impaired.
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  Speaker 1: Anything that could go wrong, basically did in this point.
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  Speaker 1: What makes it worse as well is that a lot
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of the American soldiers who had landed on D Day,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: which where there's summer uniforms because you know, it was
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: June when they landed, and it's now fucking December, they
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: are not dressed for you know, winter in Europe, shall
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: we say so, they're in like freezing conditions. They're in
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: their summer clothes. Meanwhile, not so very far away from
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the fighting, there's a wee cabin, an old cabin, not
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the best of abodes, but it will do when there's
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: a fucking war raging around you, where Elizabeth and Fritz
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Vincoln are staying. So they're there because mister Vincoln he
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: had sent them there because their home back in Germany.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Had been destroyed. So he's like, go there, you should
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: be safe and protected, and I will join you.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: But because of the snow and the blizzards and the storms,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: he was a wee bit delayed. So I think Fritz
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: is twelve years old at this point, and he and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: his mother Elizabeth are in the cabin. She's making soup,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: like the most basic soup, just enough sustenance to keep
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: them going until you know, his father returns and as
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: she's making what is probably a very basic and you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: less than tasty soup, there's a knock at the door
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and they open it up and who is there but
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: three Allied soldiers. This is a time where taking in
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the enemy would get you killed, like that is a
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: corporal punishment type thing. So being German and taking in
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: these soldiers would have been a massive fucking risk to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: this woman and her twelve year old boy, because to them,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: a twelve year old boy could be seen as a
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: man and as such would be deserving of the same
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: punishment as his mother.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: But she lets them in anyway.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So these are i think American soldiers, and this may
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: surprise you, but they don't actually speak any German.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: One of them, however, does know a wee bit of French,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and so he explains that. You know, one of the
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: guys is injured.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: He's got a gunshot wing to the leg and he's bleeding,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and there's a snowstorm.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: They're lost, they're hungry.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: He's like, can we please just come in and spend
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the night out of the cold.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: So we don't freeze to death? You know, if we're outside,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: we are going to freeze to death, and so he
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: manages to convey this in his broken friend and interpretive
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: sign language, Shall we say and yes?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Even though harboring an enemy soldier was illegal and they
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: would be executed, Elizabeth Vincoln decided.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It's Christmas Eve. She was a religious lady, this was.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Time of the Lord and other things, and so she
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: invites them in. So the wounded fella she gets a
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: nice and comfortable or as comfortable as she can make
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: him in this cabin in the middle of nowhere, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: so she gets Fritz the boy to fetch like potatoes
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and a rooster that they'd been saving for their Christmas dinner,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: because she's like, we're gonna have to feed these boys.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Like look at them, you know what I mean. I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever met an old school European mother,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: but they take no.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Shit and they it's it's they they have opinions and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you don't really want to mess with them, really, I find.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: And so she's like, no, we need to feed these boys.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: We can't be doing this. So so.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Fritz gets the potatoes and they get the rooster, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: obviously missus Rinkin's like kills it starts plucking it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And then there's another knock at the door, so yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: and again Fritz opens the.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Door, and who does he come face to face with
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: but four German soldiers. One of them says that, you know,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: they got sepage from their unit. They're fucking hungry and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: they're going to freeze to death if they stay out.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Side, and so faced with the fact that they're harboring
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: the enemy, those Nazis outside, I feel like the pun
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a recipe for disaster would be in protest, which is
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: also in proteste hmm.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: AnyWho, Elizabeth goes outside and she closes the door behind
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: her so that the Americans do not hear her, and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: she informs the Nazis outside her door that she has
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: some visitors inside that they may not like, and if
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: they want to enter her cabin, they have to leave
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: their weapons outside.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And they have to not start shit when they get
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: in the door. And these are hungry, starving soldiers who
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: are escaping a blizzard and are trying not to die,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: so they say, yes, ma'am, absolutely one. Naturally, though, everyone
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: is way where as fuck. And Elizabeth goes inside and
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: she explained to the American soldiers this is what's happening.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You're gonna give me your weapons too, So everybody agrees.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: All the weapons are put outside, and Missus Vincoln gets
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: started on dinner. So they shuffle in and it's like
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a middle school dance, you know. So you've got the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Germans on one side, up against one wall, You've got
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the Americans on the other side, up against the other.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And they were just like looking at each other across
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the cabin.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Is one, are you gonna ask the other to dance? No? Okay?
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Then, so things are really can of tense, and you know,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: then everyone's favorite social lubrin gets involved alcohol. So the
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Germans happen to have some bread and wine and they
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: share the bread and wine, you know, the Americans.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And as it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Turns out, one of the Germans he speaks English and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: he was training to be a medical student before he
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: joined you know, the army. So what he does, he
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you know, examines like the gunshot wound on the American
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: soldier's like.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Leg, and he basically does whatever he can to.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Treat it given the situation, and he's like, you know what,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: with rest and a bit of food, you should actually
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: be relatively okay.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: So by the time dinner is actually ready. They're all
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: kind of you know, jovial.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And there's a bit of camaraderie going on, you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: because they see each other as actual people. See the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: whole humanizing thing again here you go. And so they're
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: chatting to each other in like bits of English, bits
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of French, bits of German, depending on who is involved
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: in the speaking, and everyone gets.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: A good feed.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And the very next morning, you know, the Americans collect
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: their weapons and the Germans collect their weapons. But before
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: they shake hands in part ways, they do a couple
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of things. The first thing they do is work together
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to fashion a stretcher for the wounded American soldier. And
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: another thing that happens is that the Germans bring out
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: this map in a compass and they show the Americans
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: how to get back to like, you know, the Allied lines.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: But they also point out the booby traps that have
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: been set along the way so they know how to avoid.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Them, which is pretty cool.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And so the witnesses to this are these seven soldiers,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Mamma Vincoln and then Fritz and so yes, the soldiers
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: shake hands in part ways, never to see each other again,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think. And the vincouns in their cabin. They
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: survive the war, and Fritz he grows up, he gets married,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and he travels to America and becomes an American citizen.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: He ends up in Hawaii and opens a bakery because
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: of course he does. And he's been telling people this
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: story all his life, and of.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Course nobody believes him. Guess who the fuck would believe this.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, you were a kid, Fritz.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: We're talking about you know nothing until an episode of
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries comes on. So Fritz's story is on season seven,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: episode sixteen, nineteen ninety five, an episode of Unsolved Mysteries,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and it recreates like the Christmas Eve meeting between the soldiers,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and this volunteer in a nursing home is looking at this, going.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, that looks like Ralph's story because Ralph,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Ralph blank, he's been telling this story to everybody, and
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: just like Fritz, everyone was like, yeah, fucking right, Ralph,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: wait talking about stop. Clearly you were on the ampheta
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: means during the war because this didn't happen, you know
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: what I mean. And so this chaplain he contacts Unsolved
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Mysteries and he's like, I know one of the soldiers,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: like I know one of the dudes, I know one
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: of the vets, you know, and so.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries contacts Fritz, and Fritz ends up phoning Ralph
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: and they and Fritz flies to Maryland like the next year,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and then I think Fritz manages to find one more
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: of the soldiers, the American ones, after that, but he
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: never finds any of the German ones.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: That being said, I don't know if you.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Were in the German army in the nineteen forties, if
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you wanted to be telling people that, or if they'd
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: even survived, like we have no fucking clue. But finally,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: can you imagine how validating that would be for like
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Ralph Blank, especially if he'd been telling people this story
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: about his time in the war and everyone kind of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: like brushed it off, like it's such an amazing and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: important experience that you know, and to have it probably dismissed.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: For so many years, and to finally have that validation
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: into have living proof of what happened.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Because I don't know about you, but sometimes I look
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: back at, you know, my life, and.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: It feels like a completely different life.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: It feels like a completely different age. And like there
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: are portions of my life that I've straight up forgotten
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and then when I remember it, I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I did write pantomimes in Scotland. Like these are things
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that you know, they just feel like a completely different person.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And so if you have something that's deeply ingraining your
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: memory like that and it just you're constantly dismissed, it
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: can make it feel like it's not real even to you.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: But for him to have that fucking validation, Yes, Ralph,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you go, Ralph. Ten points to Ralph. Speaking of points,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: do you like board games or even playing cards? Again,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I'm so smooth with these segues.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So smooth.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Hmmm.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Oh. The next part, or should I even say the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: final part of today's story involves the Bicycle Playing Card Company.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So if you happen to know a soldier, that soldier
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: has probably played cards at.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Some point during his time. You know, they're easy to carry.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Most people collid her to play a basic game, whether
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: it's poker or pontoon or anything like that. You know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: maybe you just don't like people you want to play
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: a game of like patience or Solitaire. We're not gonna
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: duck your dumb here go fish who knows whatever you're into. Snap.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: If you really struggle with all card games.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I feel like snap might trigger something. Anyway,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that's never you're another there. So throughout history, as long
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: as playing cards and soldiers have had the opportunity to mix,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: they have been and during World War Two, British Forces
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: or Allied Forces i should say, decided to contact the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Bicycle Playing Card Company because they wanted to use the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Geneva Convention to their advantage you see, gentle listener. Thanks
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to the Geneva Convention, prisoners of war were allowed to
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: receive packages and mail from the Red Cross as long
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: as the aforementioned packages SLASH mail did not contain weapons,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: which was like an Aha light bulb moment for the Allies.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: So they used this to their advantage as much as
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: they could to smuggle in, you know, useful things to
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: help prisoners escape. And this led the Allied Intelligence forces
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to contact the Bicycle Playing Card Company with this suggestion
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: SLASH request to make a very specific set of playing cards.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: And this was a.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Top secret mission to produce a deck of cards that
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: included a hidden map, directions, escape routes like information and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: tips which could help someone reach you know, friendly lines,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: or cross a border into neutral territory or neutral country.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: But how did it work? Well, I'm glad you asked,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: because I'll tell you. So.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Playing cards are actually made of two layers. So there's
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the layer which makes the back of the card and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the layer that makes like the face of the card.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And the map and the instructions were actually sandwiched. People
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: always say concealed, like it was stuck between the two.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: So it was between these parts of the playing card,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and once it was submerged in water, you could peel
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: off the layers and find like parts of the map
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: on the card, and so you would effectively like jigsaw,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you would like put it together and then tida, you
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: have a map. Luckily, you know, being soldiers and all,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm assuming some of them are boy.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Scouts, you know fairly certainly knew how to read a map,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and they would be able to put it together luckily.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine if you were just like absolutely fucking
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: shit in cartography and you were just like sticking Belgium
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: on the wrong side, like oh no, so yeah, anyway,
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: they'd put like the pieces of the map together and
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: it would show a map of the area they were in,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: so depending on the camp you were in, you would
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: have a different map. So yeah, when it comes close
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: to Christmas time and the parcels start getting handed out
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: by the Red Cross, when they're also handing out these
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: decks of cards, like, it's completely unnoticed by you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: the German guards because the soldiers were always receiving decks
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: of cards and they were always playing cards, so it
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: wasn't an usual it was very typical and it just
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: went right under the radar. So we don't actually know
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: too much after the fact about this. We know that
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: called its Castle, at least thirty six prisoners managed to
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: escape using these decks of cards, and that there was
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: like three hundred and sixteen escape attempts using the Bicycle.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Playing card cards. But one of the reasons why we
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: don't actually know much about these now famous yet incredibly
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: secret map cards is because they are kind of sort
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of technically a violation of the Geneva Convention because yep,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: so for a long time it was kept stum like,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: people were not talking about it.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: And we know very very little.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: About these the clandestine deck of cards. And even though
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the Bicycle Playing Card Company did like recreate these, except
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: they had the map on the back of the cards,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: so like there was no like submerging and peeling involved.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: There's like so many details and information that that we
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: are probably never going to know because somebody sealed the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: document somewhere and hid it or burned it or whatever. Like, well, no,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: this stuff they want us to know. But I feel
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: like there's some stuff that's just going to be fully
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: blacked out and we're never going to know the details of.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: But yes, that is the story of how playing cards
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: helped prisoners escape pow camps in World War Two? And
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: so what have we learned today? That owning a deck
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: of cards is probably a good idea that humanity often
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: shows itself in the diarist of circumstances. And never mess
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: with German moms. They they are scary ladies and they
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: will fuck you up if you mess with them.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Let's face that, we know it's true.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So that being said, if you liked my retelling of
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: these Christmas story informations at War, please feel free to
• 39:21
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• 39:23
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• 39:26
  Speaker 1: you know you got.
• 39:26
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• 39:28
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• 39:31
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• 39:34
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• 39:34
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• 39:36
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• 39:38
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• 39:41
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• 39:58
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• 40:00
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• 40:03
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• 40:22
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• 40:26
  Speaker 1: probably very awkward with the listener listening recommendation. I am
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: going to recommend one of my favorite Christmas songs and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: it is the perfect Christmas single by Frisky and Mannish.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Go listen to it on Spotify.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It is I enjoy it. I listen to it every
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: year and I regret nothing.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: It's it.
• 40:50
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• 40:53
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• 40:59
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• 41:03
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• 41:06
  Speaker 1: a couple episodes of ted Lasso. It's really fun. It's
• 41:10
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• 41:15
  Speaker 1: You can watch it with your mum.
• 41:17
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• 41:21
  Speaker 1: And for reading, I'm gonna go classic and I'm gonna
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: recommend The Mystery of the Blue Train by Agatha Christie. Listen,
• 41:31
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• 41:34
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• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Are you really here? Am I here?
• 41:37
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• 41:38
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• 41:40
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  Speaker 1: and there is the Amazon wish List if you want
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to send me some books for research or I don't know,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I have some random shit on there just because I
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: was like, that's cool and I end up just like
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: yep ad list. There's alwso a care of address and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: fanmail address on hoodedwnaipod dot com, so if you do
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: want to send something you know you can always do
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: it on there if you want. I'm always happy to
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: receive mail. I like mail that isn't bills, it's nice.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: And with that, dear friends, I shall bid you ad
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you adios or.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Of war of w as them my friends. Bye bye