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The Lions Needed Recording Artist Marvin Gaye vs Green Bay on Thanksgiving · Sports Exchange

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  Speaker 1: Goodn't hear everybody? And what were doing? An addition of
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  Speaker 1: that's fortunate, say, my name is Scott Morgan off the
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  Speaker 1: Motor City mad Mouth. There are just four of us tonight,
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  Speaker 1: but that's okay, four, It's just fine by me, all right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: without further the lane, we got Candy have linking back
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  Speaker 1: in the house.
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  Speaker 2: Candy, it's always great to be here. What a better
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  Speaker 2: way than to spend my birthday with you, fine gentlemen talking.
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  Speaker 1: Happy birthday Candy and Marvin.
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  Speaker 3: Hey Tom, But she says, fine gentlemen, she's talking about
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  Speaker 3: me and Scott, all right, but uh no, listen, happy birthday.
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  Speaker 3: And I love being here. As I said, this is
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  Speaker 3: one of the highlights of my week. So I'm ready to.
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  Speaker 1: Do it, all right, laughing, not leave Tom Shanahan kind
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  Speaker 1: enough to be on the night predominantly football with a
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  Speaker 1: couple of little minor tw us here and there at
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  Speaker 1: Plantay back Tommy as always.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Happy birthday, Candy. Pats fitzgerald birthday was yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Too, regard from Wisconsin Badgers. His birthday is today, the
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  Speaker 2: basketball coach, So there.
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  Speaker 1: You go, all right, Well, without further delay, let's get
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  Speaker 1: to a lot of our main topics. The last laugh,
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  Speaker 1: you've got it go to Trinidad Chambliss, who went to
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  Speaker 1: the last laugh after a Mississippi State fan went ahead
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  Speaker 1: and stole his jersey the night before the egg boll
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  Speaker 1: versus Mississippi State. Get this. He goes twenty three of
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  Speaker 1: thirty four for three hundred and fifty nine yard, four
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  Speaker 1: touchdowns and thirty eight to nineteen win over the over
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi and now having a eleven and zero record. All right, Tommy,
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  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about mister Trinidad Shambless.
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  Speaker 4: Remarkable season and as I've said before, he's from Farris
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  Speaker 4: State Division two school defending against a champion that's my hometown,
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  Speaker 4: Big Rapids, Michigan and h He's a great story. One
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  Speaker 4: story that's not being talked about though, is you know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe without him, whenever they are eleven and one, maybe
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  Speaker 4: without him they're nine and three. Right Lane Kiffing the
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  Speaker 4: big hot topic that he is now without Trinidad Chambless,
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  Speaker 4: maybe he maybe he owes Trinidad Chamblin with.
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  Speaker 5: Some of that money.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: I find it disturbing, and you know, money talks, what
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  Speaker 4: are you gonna do? I think it would be so
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  Speaker 4: disappointing if he were to leave Old Missed and follow
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  Speaker 4: Kiff in the LSU after he's endeared himself to those
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  Speaker 4: fans at all. Miss Farris State fans love him and
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  Speaker 4: they understand why he wanted to take a shot at
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  Speaker 4: Division one and it might not have worked out, you know,
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  Speaker 4: if they brought him in as a backup and the
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  Speaker 4: starter got hurt and to that Champers Wally Piptam, he
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  Speaker 4: was played so well they couldn't take him out. So
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  Speaker 4: it's a great story from that standpoint, and I just
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  Speaker 4: I just would hate to see him go to LSU.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I appreciate where you're coming from, Marvin.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Shenanigans with the steal in New Jersey, that's
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  Speaker 3: typical rivaliy week stuff. I know at USC they have
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  Speaker 3: a thing where, like three days before the UCLA game,
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  Speaker 3: they'll have a ton of students out there sleeping outside
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  Speaker 3: next to Tommy Trojan big statue in the middle of campus.
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  Speaker 3: Because we've had the situations where usulate students vandalize Timmy Trojan.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, these things happen. But yeah, the kid goes
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  Speaker 3: out there, has a hell of a game. Tom I'll
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  Speaker 3: tell you what you can absolutely bet he's going to LSU.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna do the exact same thing Caleb william did
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  Speaker 3: with Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. The coach who he went
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  Speaker 3: there for is leaving. Uh so the player is gonna follow,
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  Speaker 3: and that's just what it's gonna be, especially with quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: So expect him over at LSU this year for sure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know Lincoln, not like Lincoln, Lane went
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  Speaker 3: out with the win for his team. Unfortunately, that situation,
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  Speaker 3: you know, is what it is. As we said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the horrible calendar behind college football makes his whole thing
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  Speaker 3: horrible and it just destroys the Old Miss season, it
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  Speaker 3: really does. But yeah, they definitely had a quarterback Lane
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  Speaker 3: Kiff and definitely coached that kid up, and Lane Kiffin
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  Speaker 3: will be coaching them up again next year in Baton Rouge.
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  Speaker 1: Really, I like what he's going on A limit on
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  Speaker 1: that one, all right, Candy, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: He's a senior this year, so but there strange. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: let's face it, we've seen seven year players too.
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  Speaker 1: This kid.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as as a senior in high school, he
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  Speaker 2: threw for sixteen hundred and ten yards and seventeen touchdowns.
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  Speaker 2: As a junior, he threw for two and twenty five
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  Speaker 2: yards and twenty six touchdowns and rushed for one thousand,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen yards and twenty five touchdowns, leading Farris State to
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  Speaker 2: the national championship. In the National Championship Game against Valdosta State,
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  Speaker 2: he combined for five touchdowns in the forty nine to
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  Speaker 2: fourteen victory. As a result of his play, he was
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  Speaker 2: named Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference Player of the Year
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  Speaker 2: and a finalist for the Harlem Hill Trophy. After that year,
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  Speaker 2: then he'd yeah, he entered the transfer portal. My only
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  Speaker 2: thing is, yes, he might follow. But the question is
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  Speaker 2: is the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: That he.
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  Speaker 2: Took over from will he transfer? And then will he
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  Speaker 2: will they both want to transfer because he's gonna want
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  Speaker 2: to play, let's face.
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  Speaker 3: It, yeah, oh yeah, get paid and play. Absolutely, it
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  Speaker 3: would make the most sense for Lane to take the
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  Speaker 3: hot hand period. And and I thought he had eligibility.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he had eligibility because it.
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  Speaker 4: Is easy he's going to have to petition, But it's
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  Speaker 4: something about his red.
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  Speaker 3: Shirt year that he might that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but we'll see. But no, yeah, I would expect him
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  Speaker 3: to follow lane. If that's you know, if he gets.
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  Speaker 2: That year, he's got the numbers, he's hot.
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  Speaker 1: Well. The reality, well, the reality is these rivalry games
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  Speaker 1: tend to do crazy things. And this guy here goes ahead,
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  Speaker 1: has a game of his life and now he's being
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  Speaker 1: talked about where he could go somewhere. If it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: for this big game, would we be having this conversation
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  Speaker 1: to begin with? With the egg ball that he performed
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  Speaker 1: so admirably. Admirably. With that said, okay, Georgia Tech coach
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  Speaker 1: Frank Keey had to show his credentials to security. Will
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  Speaker 1: walk in the field at Mercedes Been Stadium. My goodness, Candy,
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  Speaker 1: the guy has to go out there and show his
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  Speaker 1: credentials at the stadium, which is right across the street
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  Speaker 1: from where the college stadium is.
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  Speaker 2: Candy, you know, that just tells me that security is
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  Speaker 2: tight and that the security person doesn't know who people
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  Speaker 2: are and so are they doing their job? Yeah, because
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  Speaker 2: if they don't know him and recognize him, which they should,
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  Speaker 2: but if they don't, they're doing their job. Then they're
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  Speaker 2: going to make him, make him show credentials as someone
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  Speaker 2: that has been on the field, you know, with credentials.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thankful because there are sometimes there are people on
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  Speaker 2: that field that shouldn't be on that field. But in
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  Speaker 2: the same breath, you should know the coach of the.
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  Speaker 5: Team, Tommy Well, usually they walk in as a group
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  Speaker 5: and that makes it clear who he is. But it
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  Speaker 5: reminds me. I gotta tell this story. It reminds me
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  Speaker 5: of a story with Jack Nicholas. Jack Nicholas is one
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  Speaker 5: of my all time heros.
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  Speaker 4: And he was opening a golf course and they had
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  Speaker 4: an event to kick it off, and and the media
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  Speaker 4: was invited and he got there.
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  Speaker 5: They had name tags for everybody and you put.
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  Speaker 4: On your name tag, and they even had a name
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  Speaker 4: tag for Jack Nicholas and Jack put it on, walked
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  Speaker 4: around the whole day with a name tag Jack Nicholas,
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  Speaker 4: as if he needed it.
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  Speaker 5: But that shows you his humbleness.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And I follow on what tom said
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  Speaker 3: because my point is this, he isn't Nick Saban this,
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  Speaker 3: this dude isn't you know that we're not talking about
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  Speaker 3: Bill Parcells, you know what I'm saying, Like, it is
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  Speaker 3: realistic that there are many people in Atlanta who couldn't,
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  Speaker 3: who couldn't pull him out of lineup seriously, So you know,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't have any distinct features or looks or you know,
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  Speaker 3: redhead or nothing like that, you know what I mean. So, uh,
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  Speaker 3: he's he's he's a two thousands college football offensive lineman
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  Speaker 3: and uh he's a big guy. That's pretty much it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they had a they had a really good
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  Speaker 3: season compared to what their standard is, and you know
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  Speaker 3: what they've been doing, uh in the last few years.
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  Speaker 3: And he's definitely he's definitely is the right guy there
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  Speaker 3: as he is a former player that school. But it
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  Speaker 3: does not shock me at all that Pete. You now
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  Speaker 3: again it's as part of the you know, they're their
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  Speaker 3: their their rehearsal or security screening. They should know or
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  Speaker 3: you know who who certain people are. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 3: I get that, you know what I mean. I'm assuming that,
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  Speaker 3: as Tom said, they all got there on the bus
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  Speaker 3: together and he tried to get onto the field or
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  Speaker 3: something like that a separate way coming out of the
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  Speaker 3: locker room with maybe I don't know, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: shock me at all. Win the national championship, they will
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  Speaker 3: talk about, you know, people recognizing you, So.
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  Speaker 1: That guess that leads it up to me for a
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  Speaker 1: guy who's familiar with credentials. I still find it hard
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  Speaker 1: to believe that right down the road to his regular
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  Speaker 1: citium he has to go out there and show is credentials.
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  Speaker 1: But hey, you know what, more power to security. Ah
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  Speaker 1: they're doing is doing his job. But sure they got
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  Speaker 1: it resolved, and it didn't help George attack. They lost anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: So hello Eddie Frather, good to have you on tonight. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's continue the narrative. The Detroit Lions, my gosh, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you can't. You cannot ask for a much better Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 1: host than they are. I mean, in this game where
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  Speaker 1: he lost thirty one to twenty four, Amonron Saint Brown
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  Speaker 1: suffers a lower angle's brain, but he's thankfully for him,
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  Speaker 1: he's luckily luckily Hill of Void injured reserve. The thirty
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  Speaker 1: one to twenty four of the Packers improved to eight
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  Speaker 1: three and one. The Lions are seven and five good.
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  Speaker 1: The Lions reside in third place in the NFC, north
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  Speaker 1: of the seven and five record. Green Bays eight three
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  Speaker 1: and one in Chicago obviously is now nine and three
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  Speaker 1: after their win over Philadelphia, and the Lions are rolling
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  Speaker 1: two against the Packers this season, and the Lions have
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  Speaker 1: lost eight of their last ten Thanksgiving games. I'm telling
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  Speaker 1: you one thing, it's nice to be very nice to
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  Speaker 1: your visitors with the Lions. Don't need to do it
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  Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving, and they seem to make me making a
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  Speaker 1: habit of a candy go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can't say it's unfortunate for the
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  Speaker 2: Lions because obviously I was on the opposite side of it.
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  Speaker 2: Your Lions are injured, your lions, your offensive line is
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  Speaker 2: banged up. You thought you were gonna get Rag Now
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  Speaker 2: or the guy coming back out of retirement and he
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  Speaker 2: didn't passage physical so he's not back. Green Bay's defense
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  Speaker 2: came to play that game. They really wanted to prove
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  Speaker 2: because everybody's been talking about how good Detroit's defense is
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  Speaker 2: and you know all that, and we haven't talked a
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  Speaker 2: lot about the Packers defense. Well, Michael Parsons wanted to
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  Speaker 2: prove a point that he could play and take you
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  Speaker 2: guys down. We had three sacks on the day compared
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  Speaker 2: to you guys as zero. I mean totally yardage. It
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  Speaker 2: was a really close game. It was three fifty nine
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  Speaker 2: to three fifty two, but the difference I really think
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  Speaker 2: was some penalties and sacks, and like your guys's injury,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm on right round, Saint Brown going down did
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  Speaker 2: not help you guys, and your running game just didn't
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  Speaker 2: wasn't clicking on its normal cylinders. So credit to Green
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  Speaker 2: Bay's defense. They really needed the win because they want
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  Speaker 2: to take the division. Now we have a tough opponent
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  Speaker 2: because we go up against the Bears. But you guys
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  Speaker 2: haven't played as well on Thanksgiving for whatever reason, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't quite understand why because you're always home. But
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  Speaker 2: it was not the game I expected. Let's put it
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  Speaker 2: to you that way.
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  Speaker 1: When the game I expect either. Fraser said, Campbell has
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  Speaker 1: been doing dumb things this season. Yeah, going for way
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  Speaker 1: too many times in fourth down in some cases where
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  Speaker 1: he's cost of the game. I understand at he's point.
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  Speaker 3: Mervin, Yeah, you know, thinking about Detroit is they were
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  Speaker 3: so bad for so long, and because they were in
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  Speaker 3: this small market, like you would forget about them, but
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  Speaker 3: then you had the Thanksgiving game to remind you and
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  Speaker 3: show you just how bad you know they are. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: And you guys have been part of that for you know, listen, man,
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  Speaker 3: that division is uh a stick right now, You've got
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  Speaker 3: a couple of teams in there, Detroit, Green Bay, Chicago
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  Speaker 3: looking you know, who are for a fire for that
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  Speaker 3: top spot right now. You know, Detroit is really feeling
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  Speaker 3: what it's like to lose Ben Johnson. You know, this
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  Speaker 3: is why you got your head coach, Colin plays on.
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  Speaker 3: Colin plays on fourth down when Ben Johnson want to
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  Speaker 3: have that whole situation differently, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: You're feeling the effects of Los losing your offensive true
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  Speaker 3: offensive leader, you know what I mean. And Dan Campbell
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  Speaker 3: is not it. That whole situation is being exposed, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And then you see, you know, Ben Johnson take you know,
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  Speaker 3: these Bears uh to first place in in the division
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  Speaker 3: with three games to go. So again, you know, he
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  Speaker 3: he was the guy uh in that whole situation. And
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  Speaker 3: you know with Detroit, you know they've they've they've turned
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  Speaker 3: things around. They are a different organization for sure, but
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  Speaker 3: they got they got holes to feel primarily at the
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  Speaker 3: OC the guy get healthy. Losing uh uh I mind
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  Speaker 3: Saint Brown uh former great Trojan doesn't help obviously. He
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's one of the guys that makes it
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  Speaker 3: happen for them. So they got to figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: This is what you call adversity, you know. So the
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  Speaker 3: whole culture that Dan Campbell preaches, this is what it's
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  Speaker 3: made for for these situations. So let's see if they
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  Speaker 3: can dig themselves out of this hole.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that lose NAT of ten is surprising. What's Campbell
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  Speaker 4: been there five years now?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's here believe what.
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  Speaker 4: His record is on Thanksgiving, But historically the Lions have
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  Speaker 4: been tough on Thanksgiving when they've had good teams, So
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  Speaker 4: that that's something he needs to turn around.
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  Speaker 5: The two things, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like Marvin said that losing Ben Jonson's bigger loss,
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  Speaker 4: and then they realized the teams are they're not able
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  Speaker 4: to protect golf and teams are forcing them out of
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  Speaker 4: the pocket, which he's not as comfortable. And then I
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  Speaker 4: guess on the defensive side, even though Aiden Hutchinson was
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  Speaker 4: hurt last year and he's back, the pass Russell isn't
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  Speaker 4: as good as it was last year. So that's that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of can be fuddling too. But you know, every
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  Speaker 4: franchise goes through these ups and downs. They may bounce
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  Speaker 4: back next year.
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  Speaker 5: Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the reality is the Lions have some work to do.
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  Speaker 1: And they're gonna have a big testomer a night against
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  Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. We can go only non sports topic
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  Speaker 1: of the night, and that's this, And it's about the
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  Speaker 1: guy that was the ninth It Hurt transplant, Ken Long,
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  Speaker 1: fifty four year old veteran from Eating denying a heart
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  Speaker 1: transplant at Christ's Hospital who was refusal to receive the
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  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen vaccine candies just right or wrong?
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  Speaker 2: He was denied a heart transplant because he.
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  Speaker 1: Did didn't have a nineteen vaccine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a very personal choice, but to
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  Speaker 2: deny a heart transplant, that's taking it a bit far.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm guessing there's probably more to the story,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know. It's too bad that he was
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  Speaker 2: denied a heart transplant because that's got to be obviously
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  Speaker 2: something that he really needed. So that's unfortunate. And to
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  Speaker 2: force somebody to take a vaccine that hasn't been tested
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  Speaker 2: that it's always effective and good and that there aren't
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  Speaker 2: side effects after the effect, So especially with meds that
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  Speaker 2: you would be taking with a transplant like that, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I realize your high risk, but also there could be
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  Speaker 2: some long term side effects that we don't even know
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  Speaker 2: about yet, So that's a little bit harsh, I think, Marvin.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a completely different perspective. My thing is,
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  Speaker 3: what wouldn't I do for a heart transplant? If I
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  Speaker 3: needed a heart and I was gonna die, what wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: I do? Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 1: Today?
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  Speaker 3: Today I had accountations with my daughter, she's in eighth grade,
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  Speaker 3: about the flu the flu shot. I haven't had a
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  Speaker 3: flu shot. I don't like the idea of putting you know,
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  Speaker 3: the flu in me. All right, but if I needed
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  Speaker 3: a new heart, it's in mark. You gotta get the
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  Speaker 3: flu shot?
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Come on?
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  Speaker 3: So if they're telling you, yeah, we'll give you the heart,
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  Speaker 3: this take this jab? You take the jab?
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  Speaker 1: What are we talking about, right, Tommy?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I agree with Marbor one hundred percent. How dumb do
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  Speaker 5: you have to be? Rodriguez?
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  Speaker 4: Why don't you say that I was inoculated? Yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: reminds me of that Nick Rolovich. The idiot was in
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  Speaker 4: Washington State making millions of dollars and he won't get
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  Speaker 4: a vaccine because he listens to Robert F. Kennedy Junior
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  Speaker 4: and Trump and all those idiots.
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  Speaker 5: I know about.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it's been fifteen years. I didn't really care
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  Speaker 4: about getting flu vaccines and I got the flu and
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  Speaker 4: it turned into pneumonia and it was the worst I've
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  Speaker 4: ever been. I thought I was going to die. I
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  Speaker 4: was in such pain. And I have never missed a
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  Speaker 4: flu vaccine since then, and I haven't had.
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  Speaker 5: The flu since then either.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: So I mean, how stupid do you got to be
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: to not get a vaccine that the government has, the
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: CDC has approved.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: And it ended the pandemic. People are so stupid.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take the needle through that I've been. I'n't
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: had so many needles with's another one. Yeah, if I
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: needed a heart, Tan wen't know if that's that, I'll
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: leave it at that. The other topics I want to
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: get to here tonight, you're on the Sports to Change.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: My name is Scott Morgan Roth. Let's be joined by
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Kane Eveley Harvin follow the third time Shanahan Candy wonder,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: what's upon a time a guy by the name of
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Seneca Wallace played for the Green Bay Packers. Candy, can
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you give us an update about where Seneca Wallace is
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: right now? He played for the Seattle I'm sorry the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Saint Louis battle Hawks of the United Football League. Senate. Uh,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy, Senator Wallace, who I think,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: to me is unquestionably one of the better quarterbacks out there.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I gotta believe that he's out there coaching or whatever.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she'll provide us with an update.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yep, I'm looking up right now. Let's see playing college,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: he came coach.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: What He's an Iowa State boy. He was phenomenal in
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: college man athlete.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: He is a quarterback coach for the Saint Louis BattleHawks.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: All right, So he's a QB coach for him?
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Good? You know what, you can never have enough good
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: coaches out there, especially a guy that knows the position well.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Any talks from any of you guys.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: The Saint Louis BattleHawks is in the United Football.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: League, just so, right right, I understand. So Tommy here
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: talks about tenneco Wallace.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: I just remember as a great player. I've never really
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: heard of him much since then. I would think he
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: would have lots of connections to get into coaching if
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: you wanted to.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think there's any question about it, that's
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: for sure, especially with some of the college openings and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: some of those that come out there. Or what about you, Marvin.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, great college quarterback and was able
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to create a nice little career as a starter backup
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: for a few years. At this point, I'm sure he's
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: invested player. And yeah, it makes sense. You know, you
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: have that much perspective, that much experience. It's you know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: you can have real impact on young people, and you
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: know these guys who are in the minor leagues of
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: football here in this UFL. I mean, he'd be a
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: great teacher mentor coach with that question. So I think
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: it's a good story.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, very good. Okay, Well I'll tell you what.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Back in September, can I just say one thing?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Wallace was the first African American to start a game
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: as a quarterback for the Packers. Just so that's kind
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: of an unusual thing throwing out there.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what year was?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: It was in two thousand and thirteen.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Twelve years ago. All right, Well, you know what, when
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: we get all this coaching carousel, one guy that helps
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: get it started was a guy by the name of
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Trey Lamb, who's the fourth youngest head coach in fps
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: football at thirty six, he led Tulsa to his first
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: win and still water Oklahoma since nineteen fifty one, nineteen
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to twelve over Oklahoma State. That turned out to me
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the beginning of Mike Dundy Oklahoma State cause his name
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: being named to watch it and feature coaching cycle.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Marvin for as young as he is, you know, having
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you know, winning these kind of games, that's how you
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: do it. Man, You know, you don't. He doesn't have
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: to go undefeated over there. He doesn't have to, you know,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: could almost get into the playoff. He needs to compete,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: you know, compete, win a few games that you shouldn't win,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: and you know people will project him up and say, yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: you give him a better better, give him some nil money,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: give him better talent. You know, he can leave to
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: a championship. That's how you do it. You know what
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I mean. You have a lot of coaches that have
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: gone through the coaching ranks for years, collecting a lot
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: of money. And he don't win a lot of games.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, They have moments, you know
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: what I mean that the media runs with and fans
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: run with, you know, so listen, good for him. I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: wish nothing but the best and go get it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: As a Tulsa Golden Hurrid team dating the Oklahoma State College.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Dundy out of there, Tommy.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Well, what position is he taking it at Oklahoma State?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Well, he's a coach that defeated Mike Dundee and Dundee
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: proceeded to get fired.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, I thought you
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: was going to Oklahoma State.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: No with Eric Morris, Well, he Tulsa is a tough job.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: They've had some good teams. I don't really know a
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: lot about this guy, but anybody that can do anything
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: in a place like Tulsa, it's more than just being
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: in x's and o's. You gotta gotta know how to
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: motivate guys. You got to know how to connect with
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: the alumni, fundraisers, et cetera.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: So it's a big job. It's a lot bigger job
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: than it used to be. Yeah, you can't be Bill
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Belichick with everybody. You got to communicate with your alumni
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: in your fans.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Pity.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: So, just as a side note, in his playing career,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: he attended Tennessee Tech, where he was a three year
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: starting quarterback. In twenty eleven, he led the Golden Eagles
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: to the program's first Ohio Valley Conference championship victory in
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: thirty six years. The same year, he helped the Golden
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Eagles break nine program records, including points scored in a season,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: highest scoring average in a season, most first downs in
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: a season.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: He was.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And he graduated from Tennessee Tech with a bachelor's degree
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: in interdisciplinary studies. So he actually went back and coached
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: there too, but twice and now he yes, he is
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: at Tulsa. He didn't have the best year. He was
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: fourn eight this year, but hey, kudos to him for,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you know, moving up the coaching ranks, and hopefully he
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: has better success. I mean, this was his first year
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: at Tulsa, so hopefully he has better success next year.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Well, well, one of those wins is against the say rival,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and that fourth win hasn't so bad. You can cushion
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the blow for sure. All right, let's continue on Terry Brant.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I actually wonder how Terry Branshaw is feeling. In his
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: comments earlier when the Steelers were pursuing Aaron Rodgers, he said,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: this guy needs to stay in California and go somewhere
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and chew on bart Well in whisper to the guys
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: out there, Well, guess what, Terry, He's playing for your
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: team and he isn't doing that band of a job.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I wonder what Terry's thinking now, Marvin about when he
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: made those comments.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Uh, well, I'll tell you what I mean. It's subjective
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: in regards to how he's playing. I mean, right now,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I think he has some of the lowest numbers in
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: the NFL is to starting quarterback. But you know, with
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: that said, the Steelers are now they're playing for first
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: place here this week. Just because of the division. You know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: you've had some parody. So I don't know that you
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: know he feels bad about that. I don't. I think
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: he was right on, to be honest with I think
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of people feel that way. I still think,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: you know, let's with three games left and the division
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: completely up for grabs, with them being tied for first place,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Let's see what they do. Man, because the playoffs is
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: a whole new season. And you know that he doesn't
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: have to be vintage Aaron Rodgers. But if he could
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: be a shell of himself and they can, they can
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: move that ball and not have turnovers. You know, you
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: never know, even with that bad defense.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Tomy.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Hey, Jerry Bradshaw's always giving you his honest opinions, whether
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: you agree with him or not. So that's what I've
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: always liked about him. Even if he says something controversial,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: it's is what he honestly thinks. He's not playing to
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: his audience. The Steelers organization, they've lost something, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: They've always been so structured and so together, from the
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: general manager and the head coach, scouting department. Sometime's missing
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: that things are falling apart now and that they got
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: stuck in a situation where they needed Aaron Rodgers, Rodris.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Kenny, Aaron Rodgers. You know, I think the Steelers are
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: missing pieces to really help him. I think when you
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: have a NFL quarterback, and let's face it, he is
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: going to going into the Hall of Fame, there's no doubt.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: But I think he's also on the We all know
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: he's on the end of his career. Whether this is
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the last year or next year will be the last,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't say for sure because only
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: he knows. But he does not have the same mobility
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: that he once had, and so when you have a
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: quarterback like that, you have to have a really strong
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: offensive line. You have to have receivers that are quick,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you have to, and you have to have a running
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: game that is working well because you have to. You
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: can't become one dimensional because if you become one dimensional,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: you're not going anywhere. And yes, the Steelers have had
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: success this year, but if they have hopes of doing
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: well in the postseason, they've got to make sure they're
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: protecting him so that he has time to be able
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: to make the throws that we all know he can throw.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Like we know he can throw it on a dime,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: he can throw it to where he wants to and
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, but he needs to have time. So, yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Eddie prayed. The Steelers O line is terrible, and that's
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that's unfortunate because his caliber where he is in his
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: game now, he needs to have a better O line.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Well, then't thing I'll say about Aaron Rodgers. Last year
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: he was at the New York Jets and that was bad.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: At least he can go out with dignity this year
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: with the Pittsburgh Steelers and you're not having the drama
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: that you had a year or so. We'll see how
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the rest of the season plays out. But I think
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: he's a little bit more at ease with himself in
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh than he was with New York. Okay, we're gonna
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: go back to the Detroit Lions. Our future topic of
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the night. There's the Lions needed recording Marvin artist Marvin
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Gaye to depict Green Bay on Thanksgiving. I haven't fun
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: with this. You better believe I'm having fun with it,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: because even if we talk about it, we'll revisit the topic,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: which we've already done before. But I want to talk
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: about it again. So Actually, former artist Marvin gay actually
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: tried out for the Lions in the early nineteen seventies.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: He trained incredibly hard, bulking up actually by buying equipment,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: saying I'd rather catch a pass and score a touchdown
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: at Tiger Stadium than rack up another gold record. The
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Lions never signed him, they definitely admired his determination. Candy
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: some thoughts.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: You know, here's the guy that has had quite the career. Know, man,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: what can you say about Mark? To know that you're
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: recording artists and yet you tried to try out for
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: the Lions and stuff like that means you were good
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: enough to at least try. But hey, excellent singer. Kudos
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to him.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, Marvin, Yeah, man today, you know, these rappers want
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: to be ballplayers, and these ballplayers want to be rappers.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's no different. I guess
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Marvin Gaye started that, you know, but it's great. Obviously
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: he has a passion for that team, passion for the game.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: You know. Aside from being you know, a phenomenal singer,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: he's a real person and real people in America love
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: sports and he loves his home team. He's no different
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: than anybody right now on the on the show. So
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: kudos to him.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: You love to hear these kind of stories. And you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: again one of the great R and B singers, singers
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: of all time. And yeah, great story, Tommy.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Marvin gay loved Detroit and the Lions. He's a
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Motown Records guy. His song What's going On? What do
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: they call the It's not Namby, what do they call
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: the Grammys? His song What's going On included backup vocals
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: from Lembarney and Mel Farr Too Bad, Mel's not on
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: with Us tonight, Mel Junior for the song What's going On?
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: And that's because he just liked the lions and told
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: those guys to double in a couple of lions. And
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: that's one of the great things about that song. Limbarney
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: and Mel Farr both on there. And I don't know
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: if if you guys saw this, but there was a
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: news report that Lombardy was dead.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that. Mel denied it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: And then they had both I think both a son
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: and a daughter came out and said, no, he's he's
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: he's I guess he's in one of those senior care centers,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: but he's alive.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: And well, Okay, Kenny, have you talked about this yet? Yep, Okay,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: how about a station break? A few more topics to go, Tommy,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you're definitely gonna get out of here before your bedtime
• 32:23
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• 32:26
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• 32:27
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• 34:14
  Speaker 1: One story I want to update before we go on
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: to our final topic of the night and the Shanahan
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Report follows, is this, Marvin. We talked about Tom Thibodeau
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: when he went up to help out the Boston Celtics
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: right a few weeks ago. So here's a little update.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we talked about it then, but
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the Nick's actually owned thirty million dollars. He've ended up
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: building New York Defense and gets what he's helping Boston
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: defense right now for thirty million dollars of New York money. Marvin,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: you didn't like it, then I'll give you thirty million
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: reasons why you should like it now.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's you know, it's it's uh, you know.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: In thinking about it, to be honest with you, I
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: look at it a little bit differently. My thought has
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: my thoughts have evolved, So now I just look at
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: it as this guy was fired. He didn't he didn't
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: want to leave. I'm sure you know he built rapport
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: hit with his players, and you know the best way
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: for him to say fu really is to go to
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: the opposition. Why you still pay him money? You know
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So, yeah, you know I thought about
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: that question when you asked it afterwards, and yeah, I
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: feel definitely now.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah me too. You get fired, what do you want
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: him to do? Just sit around and do nothing?
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Right, I get a million dollars help the team out
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: that get By the way, you were an assistant for that.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: You're showing that they appreciated it, and Nick let you go.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I still don't think you should have been fired the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: first place. Why you got fired. As anybody's guests, Mike
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Brown is going to bear the bruner that pressure that
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: if you can't do as much or win as much
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: there and Tams is gone, then it's going to be
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: worse time. Anything you want to add to it or not,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: because you only have one more topic to go.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you know the NBA, they go through coaches
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: even faster than any other sport, right, I don't really
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: have anything to add to that.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: All right, Katy.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: You know, anytime somebody gets fired, the first thing that
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: that person wants to do is to get back at
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: who fired them, because they're like, well why did you? Like,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: nobody thinks that what they do warrants a firing, especially
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: as a coach. I mean, as a coach, you realize
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: if you don't have the results that everybody wants, that
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: could definitely end up happening. But the first thing you
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: want to do is you want to get back at
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: whoever fired you. So do I blame him?
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: No?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: No, not in the least.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, the big news over the weekend. Everybody knows that
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Michigan State highest former Northwestern coach had fitz Gerald. But
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: here's how we got to this point, and then we're
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: gonna left this will be the finals topic of tonight
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and then we'll go to a Shanahan report. Here's how
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: we got to this particular point back around October twenty.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: October twenty, at this time, Michigan State was six and eleven.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: There were three to ten in the Big Ten against
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: fps teams under Jonathan Smith. The eleven losses have been
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: by an average of at least twenty point six points
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a game. That is an awful lot. The team is
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a competitive and of course we wish mel was on
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: because UCLA was one of those teams for which they
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: got hammered. Let's continue the narrative. Okay, Jonason Smith at
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that point looked like he was cooked. His overall record
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: is eight and twelve, and the Big Ten he's three
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to eleven and one, five and twenty twenty five. From there, okay,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Michigan State is hit. Football is hit with vacated wins
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: by the NCAA or violations in mel Tucker's era of
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: three years probation, forced to vacate fourteen wins, including five
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: under Jonathan Smith. So now Jonathan Smith loses five wins
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: in this unfortunate situation, then those vacated Jonathan Smith leans
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: it is zero Big Ten wins with the Martins. So
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: what do you happen here? How does all of this
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: take place? Michigan State suffers as eighth consecutive Big Ten
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: loss of the season, ninth in a row, and dating
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: back to Rutgers fartens are three and eight at that
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: particular point. This is how we got to this point. Marvin,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about what God is here? And
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: now the end result? And that fits? That fits Gerald?
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So the situation with the mill Tucker sanctions man
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: is horrible because you're punishing kids that had nothing to
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: do with this. That's really what it comes down to,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: and I think the better thing to do, if you
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: want to force these institutions to encourage proper behavior, that
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: you should probably have it set up to where the
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: school and the coach are heavily penalized, and primarily the school,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, so that you know, because
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: it's unfortunate that these kids have to pay for that
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: and they had to vacate wins. In regards to Pat Fitzgerald, Man,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I played against padd in the ninety six Rose Bowl.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: He was a star middle linebacker, great player. I thought
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: he did a great job as a as a coach
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: as well, just considering what their standard was at Northwestern,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I think he I think he may have got a
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: raw deal in that situation, but I think he won
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: his lawsuit. Listen, Michigan State is getting a great coach,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: but it means nothing if they don't put that money up,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: that nil money up, if they don't Tom, if y'all
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: don't increase, then if you don't increase that that payout
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: that you that you that you're giving out every month,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: you're going to have a hard time, man. But that's
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: what it comes down to, because he could be the
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: best coach in the world. But if he ain't got
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: if he doesn't got at least, you know, fifteen to
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: twenty more to play with, then you know he's not
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: many competitive in this big ten.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Tommy, Well, obviously you love talking about Michigan State. It
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: saw I laid out the events for you and the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: end result Patford schedule at Fitzgerald go ahead.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Michigan State has been a fiasco since Meltucker and
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: then Jonathan Smith. Everyone thought that was going to be
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: a good hire because it was a lot like Mark
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: D'Antonio that he could do more with less. He had
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: a ten and three team at Oregon State and had
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: a great season after taking over a program that only
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: won two games, and the general consensus nationally was that
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Michigan State had made a great hire, but the donors
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: were upset that he was hired without any of their input.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: They weren't happy with Alan Haller, the athletic director. He
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: kind of did it on us, did the whole process
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: on his own. So then you're not getting your donor
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: money in this time and age, you're not going to win.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: So Smith was kind of got a bad deal there
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: that he wasn't able to They didn't have enough funding
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: to bring in the right players. And then Howard got fired,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Mischigs State got a new president. Howard got fired because
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: he couldn't connect with the donors to raise money, and
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: the new athletic director came in was hired by the president.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: And that's especially Jay Batt. He's done that everywhere he's
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: been is connect with the donors and raise money. And
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: they've got a They launched a program at the same
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: time they are hired Fitzgerald called a Sparta Fund or
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: something like that, and the goal is to raise a
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: billion dollars and the donors are back in line because
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: you have the president, the athletic director, and the football.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Coach all on the same page.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: And that was part of the reason Fitzgerald took the job,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: and he liked the alignment, which is the word he used.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Fitzgerald is also a better fit for Michigan State because
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Smith was so passive on the sideline. He wouldn't yell
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: at players when they made mistakes, he wouldn't challenge refs,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: and he just wasn't good at communicating with the fan base,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: and Fitzgerald has already won the press conference because he's
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: a very excitable guy, very personable guy.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: He can talk to to people, all kinds of people.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: So it's going to be.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: You know, we thought Smith was a good hire, but
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: he didn't fit. Cheryld looks like a good hire.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: But he does fit.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: And he is going to have the financial backing that
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: he needs because he's got a president athletic director on
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: the same page.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Or more importantly, won in Northwestern as well. He can
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: win at Northwestern.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you can win, you can win anywhere.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Right was a record.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he won one hundred and ten games.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: And I think more importantly, they were consistent winners before
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: you know, Gary Barnett. They had a good year where
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: they played against USC and the Rose Bowl, but then
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: they went back down and I don't think they've had
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: a consistent run like in their program history like they
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: did under Pat fitz Stereralald for he was the head
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: coach for seventeen years and he's only fifty one, so
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: he can go another ten years if he can turn
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: things around with the Spartans.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: The other thing about the other thing.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: That backfired on Smith is just a lot of questionable
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: calls in the games. He just didn't do anything to
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: win over the fans.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Well, the reality with Fitzgerald is number one, He's gonna
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: have a lot more to work with in terms of
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: talent available to him, with Michigan State being the number
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: two school in the state. In Northwestern, he was trying
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: to make the best out of a school which is
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: really known for his journalism program and fielding some pretty
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: good players, has had a decent history. So he's got
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: more to work was there. So you want to ant
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: entertain Marment. Are you good on this?
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: No, I'm good on it. I think Tom hit some
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: good points.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this hard. Pat Fitzgerald is concerned. He's
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: had time away from the game reflect on why he
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: ended up leaving Northwestern, and he said, he's fifty one
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: years old. If there's anybody that I think can sustain
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: a long period of time at his age, you know,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: we've talked about Duffy Doherty, George Burlis this as a
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: guy who could do it. So I wish him well,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I really do. Pat Fitzgerald. He's got a lot of energy,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: he's a right age, and more importantly, I think it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: a great fit with Michigan State.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: The other thing about Fitzgerald is he was fired over
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: that hazing incident, right, and then after two years investigation,
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: he won his lawsuit that he didn't know about it,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: And so that's good that he didn't know about it,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: but also it raises a red flag. Why didn't he
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: know about it. He didn't have control over his team,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: He didn't have complete control, and those last two years
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: they were too in ten, So maybe that all dovetails
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: together that he wasn't watching over the program the way
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: he had earlier in his year and what earlier in
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: his career and what he has been saying is that
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: he learned a lot about the mistakes he made and
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: how to adjust the new college football world. He said
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: he got a PhD because of in college football, because
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of his coaching buddies let him spend some
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: time around them, around their programs, and he was able
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: to look under the hood was the term he used
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: to understand how coaches are adjusting to this new world.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Nil, he and he's.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Just reinvigorated and learned from his mistakes, and I think
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: he'll be more of a top to bottom guy as
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: far as controlling the program, Candy, not a.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Lot more to add, except though I will say that
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: he is good friends with Michigan State football legend head
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: coach Mark Dantonio and his wife Becky, and they're very
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: special to him, and he expects Stantonio to be at
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: practices and around the program as things move forward. He
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: also says, like like Tommy just said, he's spent time
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: going around to other schools, and he went around to
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: the NFL teams to survey and evaluate the new landscape
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and how it might help him in his job. He's
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: been looking forward to getting back into coaching obviously right now.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Number one it is he has to look for great
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: people to assemble a good coaching staff. But with signing
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: day being as equally as a big priority, he had
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to focus on that before he will start working on
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the staff. Is what he said in his press conference.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Well, it is an interesting forty eight to seventy two hours.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: We've talked about all the coaching changes that have taken place,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: but as this one dating towards the latter part of
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: that coaching hirings, this one appears to be the biggest
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: high pro while the most interesting one. And I'm just
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: glid that Pat Fitzgerald is getting a second chance to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: be able to do what he does and that's coach well,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: so we'll leave it at that. All right, we have
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: time for the Shanahan Report, one last station break and
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: we'll call it at night tonight. We want to thank
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: everybody for joining us. Any pray there's going to start
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: are in the chat room. We appreciate him as well,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and again every now and then would all like to
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: do is depending on who we have on tonight. There
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: are a lot of good stories that we weren't able
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: to get to on Inside Depicting, so we can highlight
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: him a lot more tonight here on the Sports Exchange
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: as well. Tom Shanahan joins us here in the Sports
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Exchange twice a month and he's a trooper on Inside
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Depicttion when those shows go a little bit later. Thankfully
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: worth in a decent timeframe as well, as I have
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of other projects I have to work on
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: as well. Keep in mind, I'm fo R fresh off
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the road from Tampa. As we were really busy during
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: We're trying to catch up on things. So Tom, I'll
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: turn it over to you for the Shanahan Report and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: then we'll wrap it up with one more breaking in
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Marvin and I we have a lot of other projects
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: that we're gonna be working on as well, right.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Martin, absolutely can't wait.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: All right, Tommy, give us the Shanahan Report.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, go to my website. Go to my website, tom
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: sand Anne dot Report. Buy my books. There's links for
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: the to purchase my books. Ray of Light, Jimmy Ray,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Duffy Dorty, The Integration of college Football in the nineteen
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: sixty five sixty six Michigan State Spartans forward by Tony Dundee,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: a big fan of Jimmy Ray and Duffy Doherty. And
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: then my other book that is more of a national story, Yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: about how Michigan State spread integration throughout the country, coast
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: to coast through Duffy Dorty's assistant coaches who followed his
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: blueprint of ignoring the unwritten quota of just having a
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: half dozen black players the right thing to do. The
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: two pioneers of college football integration in the nineteen sixties.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: If you don't believe me, On page one, there's a
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: quote from Barry Switzer. It says nobody did more for
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: college football integration than Duffy Doherty.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Well done, Tommy. Okay, Marvin, let everybody then get ahold
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• 49:37
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• 53:52
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• 54:04
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• 54:08
  Speaker 1: if we get you out in time, my friend, yes,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: thank you. Oh you're welcome. Hey, thanks for being a
• 54:14
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• 54:17
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• 54:20
  Speaker 1: That's what we all get to leave on time tonight.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Thanks to you, Tommy. I love it when you push
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: me like this. It worked out nicely. But meanwhile, we
• 54:27
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• 54:29
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• 54:32
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• 54:34
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• 54:37
  Speaker 1: and Tommy, enjoy the rest of your night, my friend,
• 54:40
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• 54:43
  Speaker 1: We'll have a lot more on Inside the Picskin as well, Marvin,
• 54:46
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• 54:48
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• 54:52
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• 54:54
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• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Night. By now thank you, Bye bye guys.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: No, no,