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Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: Defenses Are A Step Ahead Of Eagles Protection Schemes · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Inside the Tape on Inside the Birds. I'm
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan. And of course, we're breaking
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  Speaker 2: down tape with Greg Cosell, who's going to sift through
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: the carnage of another Eagles loss. Four straight losses for
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles. I wonder if two guys actually predicted
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: the Eagles to win that game.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 2: We'll just talk about that.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Now, now. Come on, now. Sorry, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I had to throw that in there.
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  Speaker 3: Humble brag time, Gary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. But, no, another Eagles loss, and obviously the
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  Speaker 2: fallout from the loss is even worse. Jalen Hurts is
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  Speaker 2: now going to be out for the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: season with the multiple blood clots that were determined that
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  Speaker 2: he has. And so it's a Tanner McKeeshow, Greg, from
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  Speaker 2: here on out. And, you know, as we talk about this,
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  Speaker 2: we'll break down the offense from the Panthers game. in
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  Speaker 2: the loss here first. I'll leave it to you, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you didn't see a whole lot of opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for overall success, just given the environment to begin with,
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  Speaker 2: the blocking, the lack of a run, stuff we've talked about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the things that really stands
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  Speaker 1: out over these, not just this game, but of course
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  Speaker 1: it was very evident in this game, is clearly teams
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  Speaker 1: are blitzing the Eagles a lot. And when teams blitz
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  Speaker 1: a lot, and particularly with overload concepts, which happened right
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  Speaker 1: on the first play, but that was very foundational to
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  Speaker 1: what the Panthers did throughout the game. What that immediately
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  Speaker 1: tells me just from doing this for years and years,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure Adam and speaking to offensive line coaches,
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  Speaker 1: he knows a number of them in the league. What
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  Speaker 1: that tells you is that teams are very sure of
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  Speaker 1: how the Eagles protect, because what the whole point of
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  Speaker 1: blitzing is, is not just random. Oh, let's blitz. It's
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  Speaker 1: your attacking protections. And again, You know, that's what's been
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  Speaker 1: evident to me over the last number of weeks is
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  Speaker 1: that teams clearly they feel they have a very good
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  Speaker 1: sense of how the Eagles protect. So they feel by
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  Speaker 1: what they do with their pressure schemes and concepts that
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  Speaker 1: they can break down that protection. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: something that's been pretty evident. You know, that's we're not
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  Speaker 1: saying anything out of school here. That's what the tape shows.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Do you– I mean, I know you have always said, Greg,
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  Speaker 2: and we're saying, you know, not being an offensive line guru,
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  Speaker 2: but I know you've gone to masterminds. You've talked with linemen.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like there's a case of that it's
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  Speaker 2: a complicated protection scheme? Like can they simplify it to
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  Speaker 2: make it easier?
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  Speaker 1: You know, the thing about good blitzing teams too, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to make it seem like, boy, the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles stink because they're not the only team where teams,
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  Speaker 1: you know, create some free hitters, you know. obviously I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure fans in Philly think that's the case, but of
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  Speaker 1: course it's not the case, is there's not 50 protection schemes,
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  Speaker 1: you know? So it's, you have to, as an offense,
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  Speaker 1: you also have to have a sense of what the
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  Speaker 1: other team likes to do with their pressure concepts. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when they like to do them, what part
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  Speaker 1: of the, you know, everything I remember when, and Anna
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  Speaker 1: will remember this, when Paul Gunther used to come into
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  Speaker 1: the office on a number of occasions and you know,
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  Speaker 1: he helped put together the whole double mug concept for
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  Speaker 1: when he was with the Vikings with Mike Zimmer, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that seemed like a new thing back then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a number of years ago, and now everybody does it.
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  Speaker 1: And he would always talk about, you know, the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you build your rush concepts off your study of protections.
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  Speaker 1: And then the offense also builds how they protect off
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  Speaker 1: their study of what you do defensively. So that's the
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  Speaker 1: chess match part of it, because there's not like I said,
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  Speaker 1: 10 or 20 protections. So there are times, and I've
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  Speaker 1: done pieces like this in the matchup show, where a team,
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  Speaker 1: they can set up an overload look to one side
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  Speaker 1: and then they can dictate your protection because you have
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  Speaker 1: to account for bodies and then they'll come from the
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  Speaker 1: other side and you don't have enough bodies. So teams,
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  Speaker 1: it's that chess match. So some of them look bad
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  Speaker 1: and others are just really, they happen to get you
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  Speaker 1: on a given play. Teams can do that on both sides.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so it's just, it seems, of course, in
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  Speaker 1: these last number of games that the Eagles have been
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  Speaker 1: on the losing end of that more often than not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, Greg, that part of what you're talking about,
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  Speaker 3: and there's this sort of communication that goes on with
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  Speaker 3: linemen who've played together a long time. Yep. And they
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  Speaker 3: have certain signals, pre-snap. Trey Thomas, when he worked with us,
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  Speaker 3: told us this stuff. You know, it was very interesting education.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And the problem is you're playing with three backups. who
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  Speaker 3: are just, and they shouldn't be playing. And then you
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  Speaker 3: add that you've only got two veterans on the line.
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  Speaker 3: It's really hard.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard. And the other thing too is, look, we've
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  Speaker 1: spoken about how you can't change the protection in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the play, but you do need your offensive
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  Speaker 1: linemen to have awareness. I mean, if you're playing a
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  Speaker 1: team that pressures, you know, you have to have awareness
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  Speaker 1: of more than just the guys right in front of you.
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  Speaker 1: There has to be a sense that, hey, based on this,
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  Speaker 1: defensive alignment, this guy might come, you know, what does
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  Speaker 1: that mean? You know, so many times you'll see communication
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  Speaker 1: with offensive linemen where they talk to one another, or
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  Speaker 1: you'll see an offensive lineman sort of tap his, his,
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  Speaker 1: you know, his ass, so to speak. I think I
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  Speaker 1: can say ass tap his ass. And, and that tells
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  Speaker 1: the back, Hey, I'm doing this. So you do that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's always communication. And when you're playing with
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  Speaker 1: new guys, sometimes that communication, number one is wrong. Number two,
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  Speaker 1: it could be too late. Number two, it could not
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  Speaker 1: be clear. You know, there's any number of factors because
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you'll watch a play and you'll, you guys don't
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about as well. The people listening,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you watch a play and you go, how did
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  Speaker 1: that guy just not see that guy? He literally ran
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  Speaker 1: right next to him, you know, and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: the answer to that, but I mean, you see it
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Greg, uh, obviously, you know, Drew Kendall couldn't go, they
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  Speaker 2: warmed him up on the field.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't ready.
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  Speaker 2: So we saw another, uh, Playing with Jake Majors at
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  Speaker 2: the center, Willie Lampkin at left guard, Steen at right guard.
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  Speaker 2: Eagles could not generate much of a running game. What
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  Speaker 2: did you see up front individually from that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they had two good run plays. They were back-to-back.
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  Speaker 1: They were both outside zone to the right side of
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  Speaker 1: the line, both nine-yard runs. And you thought, okay, maybe
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  Speaker 1: they'll have a run game. Other than that, they couldn't
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  Speaker 1: run the ball. And it's funny because the play right
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  Speaker 1: after the second nine-yard run, Lloyd shot the gap. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they just couldn't. He was right in the backfield.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a three-yard loss. but they just
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  Speaker 1: can't run the ball. They don't, they don't really move
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  Speaker 1: people very well. I think there's a communication issue with
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  Speaker 1: their run game as well. I don't think they, you know,
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  Speaker 1: don't forget zone run game is based. It's, it's synchronized swimming. It's,
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  Speaker 1: it's not just, Oh, you, it's not individuals. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not, you got him, you got him, you got him. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes it plays out that you have to
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  Speaker 1: make an individual block. Like I thought on one of
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  Speaker 1: the two nine yard runs, I thought majors did a
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  Speaker 1: really nice job working up to the second level. but
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  Speaker 1: there's a ton of communication involved. I remember when I
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  Speaker 1: first met and worked with Phil Sims, which goes back
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  Speaker 1: to the first year he retired. And he told me
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  Speaker 1: that the run game is so much harder to teach
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  Speaker 1: and master than pass protection. He said, it's just really,
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  Speaker 1: really hard and it requires an incredible amount of work.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously played on a Giants team that ran the,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ran the ball, you know, back in those days,
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  Speaker 1: that was all about the run game. I'm sure many
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  Speaker 1: remember Otis Anderson in the Superbowl, you know, so he, he, And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you nailed it. The fact that they're, and
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  Speaker 1: Adam just spoke about it. He's, and he's a hundred percent, right.
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  Speaker 1: You're playing with three new guys. They have no idea
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  Speaker 1: how to do all this together. Yeah. Think of it.
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  Speaker 3: If this had been early August, right. They could get
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  Speaker 3: these guys work together. You know, it was not the
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  Speaker 3: pressure of the season. In fact, how he could have
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  Speaker 3: signed a veteran.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't know Lane Johnson was going to retire. Marco
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  Speaker 3: Bo's not supposed to play this season.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Jake majors was a nice story. He's a third string center.
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  Speaker 1: He's a third drafted player. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. And Willie Lampkin is good as a story as
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  Speaker 3: he is. He goes, don't want him playing. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you're dealing with an two undrafted players
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  Speaker 1: now starting and a, and a right tackle who played
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  Speaker 1: left tackle in college, who a lot of people like,
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  Speaker 1: but all agreed was not ready to play this year. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what you're dealing with.
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  Speaker 2: And that forces guys like Jordan, my Lada and Tyler
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  Speaker 2: Steen to try to have to pick up the pieces here.
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  Speaker 1: And then if they have some bad snaps, it really
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  Speaker 1: gets magnified. Steen had a number of bad snaps in
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  Speaker 1: this game in the run game. And there was one pass,
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  Speaker 1: which were my, a lot. I don't recall ever seeing my,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of get beat like that. And then, and,
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  Speaker 1: and he, it wasn't a sack cause the ball came out,
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  Speaker 1: but he, I mean, he was totally spun around. He
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  Speaker 1: was lost. I don't recall seeing him like that. Now
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  Speaker 1: he didn't have a terrible game. It's just this one
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  Speaker 1: play that was so glaring. Cause you don't see that. Right.
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  Speaker 2: From a receiving standpoint, did you, did, What are you
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  Speaker 2: noticing about who, I know they don't always do X, Z, but,
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  Speaker 2: you know, condensed formations split two by two.
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  Speaker 3: Anything really?
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  Speaker 1: That's the other thing that, and I'm sure you saw
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  Speaker 1: that in my notes as I was watching the tape,
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  Speaker 1: I was just thinking to myself, I said, God, they're
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  Speaker 1: not really lining up very much in three by one sets,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because like I told you guys, I don't
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: look at numbers or stats until I watch because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's very easy to be prejudiced or biased by numbers,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then you watch it and you that's
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  Speaker 1: the way you think no matter what you see. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But so then I looked and they didn't line up
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  Speaker 1: very much. You saw the numbers. I think on my,
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  Speaker 1: in my notes that it was high percentage two by two.
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  Speaker 1: And what that probably tells you is they don't really
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  Speaker 1: feel that they have that boundary X receiver, because if
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  Speaker 1: you have that guy, you're going to use that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Adam and I did this. I mean, not that this
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  Speaker 2: guy is a natural boundary X, but they did not
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  Speaker 2: decided to make healthy scratch out of Hollywood Brown.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, Darius Cooper is a guy that Adam
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  Speaker 2: and I have spoken about on other shows where we
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  Speaker 2: thought maybe it's time to really see what he is,
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: see what he's got in certain.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, again, it's hard to know the answer to
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  Speaker 1: that just because the sample size is small. But my
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  Speaker 1: sense is because I did watch his college tape last
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: summer when he remember he did well in the preseason.
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  Speaker 1: So I went back and watched his tape. My sense
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  Speaker 1: is he's more of a movement guy. That would be
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  Speaker 1: my sense. You know, guy who's kind of a Z,
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: you know, a movement Z, a slot, you know, that
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  Speaker 1: would be, you know, I don't see him that way.
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  Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean I'm right. I'm just telling you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what I see. But as much as we
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: love Devante Smith, he's that guy too. He's not a
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  Speaker 1: true boundary X either. So they don't have that guy.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's one reason they lined up in
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: so much two by two. And then, you have to
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  Speaker 1: be careful because then that stuff becomes predictable too. Correct.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's go right to the footage and sort
• 10:54
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  Speaker 2: when you say protection is somewhat of a.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, you're not expecting this, okay? And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, this time they are lined up in a
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  Speaker 1: three-by-one set on the first play. And you're not necessarily... Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's put it this way. I don't think you're expecting this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I... It obviously is not the kind of
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  Speaker 1: play you want to have happen because all of a
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: sudden your first play of the game and you're right
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  Speaker 1: behind the eight ball because it's an 11-yard loss, but
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  Speaker 1: they come with an overload blitz into the boundary, which
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  Speaker 1: they did quite a number of times. And they can't
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  Speaker 1: pick this up based on how they protect because how
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  Speaker 1: they're protecting here, and this is just a protection call.
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  Speaker 1: They made the call in the huddle. It's the protection
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  Speaker 1: because the right guard, Steen, goes to, the two eye
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  Speaker 1: or the, or the, you know, that D tackle. So
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  Speaker 1: now you end up with just two to pretty much
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  Speaker 1: block and you can see it. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 1: run this Jeff, you'll, you'll see there's, there's really, they
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  Speaker 1: can't pick it up. There's two guys who are free
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  Speaker 1: hitters here. Right. And, and, and I mean, technically one
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  Speaker 1: guy because Pierce is there, but it's play action. It's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be a play action boot, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing. If you go back to the
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  Speaker 1: sideline real quick, you can argue they would have had
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  Speaker 1: a play. Because, you know, look at, is that Goddard?
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  Speaker 1: Who's number three to trips? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: 35.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I imagine the defense knows that that's going to
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  Speaker 2: be the case if they, but they know they're going
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  Speaker 2: to get the free run or they expect to get.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah. They anticipate that based on the call, but
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: they end up really with a high low on the corner. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're anticipating that McKee is going to, boot
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  Speaker 1: out to his left, you know, relatively clean, and he's
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  Speaker 1: going to have time to decide where to throw it.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Here's the best angle you can see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you see that Steen, you know, blocks the
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  Speaker 1: guy right in front of him, 95. And now you've
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  Speaker 1: got 21 and 58, and it's going to be play action.
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  Speaker 1: And one thing you're taught, by the way, and I
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  Speaker 1: learned this from Errol Hodge, if there's a blitzer as
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  Speaker 1: a back, you abandon the play action. You've got to
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  Speaker 1: go block someone. You don't run through the fake. You've
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  Speaker 1: got to go block someone. Right. He kind of does,
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  Speaker 1: but there's two guys. I mean, he can't block.
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  Speaker 2: Both of them.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Greg, I don't know if you saw
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  Speaker 2: the numbers, but their under center play action game against
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: the Panthers might be the worst in terms of either
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: production or EPA you'll ever see in your life. It
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  Speaker 2: was really bad. And it's been bad all year.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Which is surprising because we thought that would be
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  Speaker 1: a strength. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: You got to have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're missing a lot of elements to help make
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  Speaker 2: that work as well. Here's another sack. This is the
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  Speaker 2: third quarter one where Devin Lloyd comes through.
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  Speaker 1: So wait, this is which one now?
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  Speaker 2: Devin Lloyd sack.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: And when is this one?
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: I believe third quarter.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. This is the second and eighth, Manolo, third quarter. Yes.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: And another snapshot of a free hitter. This is the
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: one that was bang play action with McKee under center
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: with outside zone run action into the boundary. You can
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: see Lloyd started to react to the run. Then he
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: just triggered vertically, and there was no one to account
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the carries. I mean, it looks like the
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: play action does its job until Lloyd just realizes it's not,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: and he's able to pounce on it.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's not that it didn't do its job.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: It's just that he's– and this is a great play
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: by Lloyd, not because he made the sack, because with
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: the run action where it is, he realized that that's
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: not his play. So instead of just running over there,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: it's not his play because it's going to be outside zone.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: into the boundary. He's, he's the stacked backer basically on
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: the field side. So it's not his play. So instead
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: of just covering, you know, a grass, he sees what's
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: happening and he goes. Yeah.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Is this on anybody? I mean, well, it's too late.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, months trying, but he's, he's too late.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: No, I meant even on, on like the quarterback to
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: throw it to a spot.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Well, he's dropping back and he wants to throw it immediately.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: And yeah, See, he wants to throw it to the
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: receiver on the right there. I can't see the number.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's Devonta.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's Devonta. That's what the play is. But also,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the other linebacker is kind of in the passing lane,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: so he probably wouldn't have had the throw. We've seen
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: every team run this. I call it bang play action.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: It's quick play action. You hit your back foot, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: you're basically delivering the ball. The old A.J.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Brown Titans play.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I've got to give the linebacker credit because he doesn't
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: really bite too hard on this.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: No, he does not.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: So it allows him to get depth.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: He does not. So something tells him that this is
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: not a run. But I can't tell you what it is.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's film study, you know. But something told
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Okereke that it's not a run.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was smart on his part. Last, another sack,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: again with a free hitter, I believe. This is the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: combined sack between Moorig and Jalen Phillips in the fourth quarter.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, this was the one pretty much at the end
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: of the game, right? Yes. Fourth quarter. This came out
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: of a loaded front with both linebackers on the ball
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: opposite the load. Okereke dropped. And then Mayrigg from the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: field added in as a rusher. And they knew how
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the Eagles would protect because the back, they forced Pierce
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to have to block all game. So they rushed six
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: because they knew that Pierce would protect. And there was
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: no one to account for Mayrigg. Right.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, another free hitter right through.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, this stuff's hard, guys, but you got to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: figure it out. I mean, you can't just go into
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: a game and say it's hard. You got to figure
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: it out. And I certainly don't know the answer. So
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not pretending I do, but look here, stop, go
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: back to us before Mayra comes in. If you can.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. Right here. So what do you got here is
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: a six man front. And if the, if the tight
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: end does not, is not part of the protection, then
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the back's part of the protection. So you got six
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to block six. So now if, if a seventh guy
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: comes the way the rules state is that's on the quarterback. Correct.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't, it doesn't matter who drops out because
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: somebody drops.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Out, but they all stay or all the, the protection
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: drops out, but he makes sure he eats up the
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: left guard, uh, Lampkin.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And now there's no one to block. Um, Merrick, there's
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: no one to block them.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: They got stuck though, because they did use Goddard here
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: as a blocker. So, um, again, that's something with communication.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: You got to figure out because technically they had seven,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to block seven, and it didn't map out the way
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it should. Right.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I was wondering if it's on the quarterback. Usually that's
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: where the tight end comes in.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's not on the quarterback because Goddard's clearly a
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: primary pass protector here.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at the routes. I mean, no one's there
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: to catch the ball. If he notices that free rusher
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: now and wants to throw, there's no throw. There's no
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: one there. So, yeah, rough time. This is obviously something
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: that they– continue to have to figure out as you
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: said i want to switch focus we'll go to the
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: running game a little bit greg uh they didn't have
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: much you know you pointed out one of the early
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: runs a minus three on damian pierce here.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah i'm trying to uh this was in the first quarter.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Uh yes sir no no not first quarter yeah first
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: quarter i think third possession fourth possession where they're trying
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: to establish the.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Run Oh, the run blitzes that caused problems. Pierce minus
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: three yards on the fourth possession was a strong snapshot. Yes. Yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: So it's outside zone, right?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like it. No, it's not. No, no, no, no. Okay,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's not outside zone. It's probably more inside
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: or mid zone. Yep. Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: But he didn't have a shot there.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: No. No, I'm trying to remember exactly who made the
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: play here, if you keep going. Yeah, I'll go. Yeah,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: so they're going to bring Mayrig, and he's unblocked here.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And there's no way that whoever that is can block him.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: That's impossible because he basically is a run blitz.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Lampkin.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So he comes in, and he makes the play. I mean,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: there's– and then other guys got beat as well.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, he makes it from the backside, though.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: It looks like from the play side, the blocking.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Just– Yeah, they didn't handle this really well. Look at Steen.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: They're in a reduced front. They're in a bare front. So,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you know, it becomes one-on-one blocking. Even in his own call,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you have to sort of block the guy in front
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of you because he's right in front of you. Right.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So it looks like Steen has matched up against number three,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: and he gets tossed around there like a rag.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: He just gets tossed away. Three is Newman-Milan, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: he just beat him with quickness off the ball. Yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: as I said, Steen had probably three or four tough
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: run-blocking snaps in this game.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: This might be another one. I think this was– it
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't noted, Greg. It's a two-yard game, but it looked
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: like he tried to run duo, but Steen can't hold up.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: It's duo. Yeah.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, look how he just got completely ripped off
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: there by– is that Wharton? He's a good player.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. 98? Yeah, I mean, that's the kind of stuff
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you just, you know– that's communicate– I mean.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: This is a great– by the way, this is a
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: great look you want to run duo against. I mean,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: they have the opportunity, and you got two big guys
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: in Steen and Markel Bell right there on one– I mean,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: if this block holds up just a little bit, then
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: he's got.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Steen lost it there because Bell, he's going up
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to the next level. Now, he probably could have waited
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a touch longer because that linebacker is still five yards
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: off the ball, but that's kind of the unspoken communication
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that those guys don't have. Right, right. That's what we
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: So that's another not a great run.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: That's tough. I mean, it's just a tough deal.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: We're legally obligated to show something good from the Eagles offense.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: So you like this bender from Goddard here that went
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: for 15 yards in the second quarter?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this was, I mean, you know, you
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: saw flashes with McKeon. By the way, I thought he
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: hung in there pretty well. You know, this is tough.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: No run game. A lot of pressure. you know, some,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: some clear, you know, issues in pass pro. I mean, he, he,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I thought he hung in there, you know, don't forget
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it was 1914 when they got the ball and majors on,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: on the first place snaps that, you know, throws a
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: ground ball at them and they lose 12 yards. Now
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they would have scored one in the game.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: We have no idea what would have happened, but right
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: at that moment, you're probably thinking, Hey, they got a
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: shot here. They had just scored a touchdown, their defense held,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: and it's now 1914. Right. Let's see this again.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Is this an RPO, Greg?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Let me see. Could be. You know, every team categorizes
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: this differently. You know, it could be RPO or it
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: could just be quick game with run action.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I like how he got rid of it quickly. Greg,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: sometimes I watch him. His whole process from snap to
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: drop back to release could take a little bit longer.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Well, that's because he's so long. Right.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: But there were some throws that were short, which there
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: was no one around him. And the ball just kind
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: of didn't go. We saw this in the preseason at
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: training camp where you just couldn't understand why is the
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: ball not being driven? He's a little bit mechanical sometimes.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think that's who he is. You know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: there's a college quarterback right now at the University of
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Minnesota who I've seen on TV who is somewhat like
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that named Drake Lindsey. You know, he's a tall, under center,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: play action, drop back quarterback. Right. You know. All right.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: And then the touchdown to Smith.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is beautiful. Two by two. It's beautiful. I mean, Smith,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Will Lee, by the way, is a good corner. And
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: he's a rookie. He's going to be a good player.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: This is beautiful throw, beautiful catch. This is not bad
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: coverage at all. Nope.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: This is a great throw.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: This is a great throw and a really good catch.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is, I mean, that's not, it's not
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like Lee was beaten badly here. This is high level
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: execution by the quarterback and the receiver.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: What do you think, just based on what the defensive
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: look here is, what's going through McKee's mind right now
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: on this two-by-two versus this, what, cover? It looks like
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: one high look.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: What's going through his mind is he's got his best
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: receiver one-on-one on the outside, and there's nobody who can
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: help because the other players over, whoever that is inside
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: of Smith, and the safety is not getting there. It's
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: single high. The safety is in the middle of the field.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: He's not getting there on a three-step timing fade ball.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: He's not getting there. Right.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: That was the argument.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: He knew he was going to Smith pre-snap. Got it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: And look at how quickly he got rid of it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, he planned that foot and that ball was out.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: That's what you want to see from him?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to him pre-snap. He knows. Yep.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: He got the look he wanted and the matchup he
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: wanted right there. And like you said, good coverage, Greg.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: But that's why, you know, Devontae is one of the best.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Well, it had to be perfect.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: It had to be a perfect throw.
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  Speaker 1: He hung in there, guys. I mean, look, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of fans and obviously with the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Hurts news, it's, you know, very, very tough for Eagles
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  Speaker 1: fans right now. And who knows what the future holds
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  Speaker 1: for McKee. I mean, he's going to play again next
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: week for sure on Monday night in Philly, you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and I guess they'll decide, you know, as he plays more,
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  Speaker 1: whether they want to keep putting him out there or
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: whether they think they need to put someone else out there.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you know, that that'll be a decision based on how
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: he plays, but they're going to have to shore up
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the protection. It's, and look, I don't know what the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: run game is going to be like. Obviously Barkley is
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: going to come back at some point, but you know, and,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and you have to assume that the old line will
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: get better the more they play. You know, I don't
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: know if Landon Dickerson is going to play. I guess
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: he was close this week from what Adam said on Friday.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So maybe he's going to be back this week. You know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: they do have the extra day who knows your, you know, But,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just hard to play when there's no
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: run game. It's really hard.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And maybe, you know, we've talked about the whole
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: senior offensive assistant for Mannion. Maybe what they need mostly
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: was a senior O-line coach. Maybe somebody like Chris Cooper.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: A lot of teams have two O-line coaches. They have
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Greg Austin, but who used to be second toward. No,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: but if you remember, Mike Munchak was with the team
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: in summer. And as sort of a consultant, he's tight
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: with Cooper.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: And I believe Cooper brought him in. So, yeah, this
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: is where, to finish this off, we've talked two or
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: three years about them not having a senior offensive assistant.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: That was a mistake.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: They really need that, but we'll move on.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: That is a look at the Eagles offense. It wasn't pretty,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: but we wanted to bring you inside what protection schemes
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: look like and why they weren't working in this specific
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: game and maybe look forward. to the next week and
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: see if anything changes.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: One final point about that, just so people truly understand,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a long time and when
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I sit here until I learn more and more and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: more and you still don't know for sure, but protection
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: schemes can often be the toughest thing to figure out
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: when I'm sitting here with a clicker and watching tape
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: So just keep that in mind. It's not, oh, they stink.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: You know, that's an easy reaction when you're a fan.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: But those are very hard things to figure out. Sometimes
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the center changes something four seconds before the ball snapped
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and you don't know what that change is. You know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: so it's just I just want people to understand that
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: those are not easy things. Yep.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And that's why I said in the postgame show to Adam,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you know, three backups on the O-line, two guys not
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: even drafted, a lot of inexperience. Every defensive coordinator right
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: now is trying to be Brian Flores. against the Eagles
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: and actually succeeding. That's going to do it for this
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: episode of inside the tape, looking at the offense in
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the next one, we will look at the defense with
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  Speaker 2: Greg Cosell for Adam Kaplan and Greg Cosell. I'm Jeff Mosher.
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  Speaker 2: You've been watching inside the tape on inside the birds.