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The Late Debate | 20 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late. Welcome the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: It's great to have your company on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Freileitch and Denika Di Giorgio.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Would you buy toilet paper, toothpaste and tea bags as
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  Speaker 2: a wedding gift? One major supermarket is betting that you will.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that shortly. Plus, when we look at
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  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow, I've got to tell you newspaper
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  Speaker 2: editors are having a field day with the coalition bust up.
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  Speaker 2: We'll show you some of the better headlines that we're
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  Speaker 2: doing the rounds tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: And striking workers on the Snowy Hydro.
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  Speaker 2: Project complaining that their work site has been turned into
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  Speaker 2: a jail. We'll get to that soon as well. But first,
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  Speaker 2: United Nations experts have slammed the Queensland government's tough approach
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  Speaker 2: to juvenile crime. The LMP one government promising that children
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  Speaker 2: charged with serious crimes like murder would be tried and
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  Speaker 2: sentenced as adults. This week, the Queensland Government will expand
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  Speaker 2: that list of serious crimes to about twenty, including attempted
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  Speaker 2: murder and rape. But experts at the United Nations will
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  Speaker 2: They claim the Adult Crime Adult Time policy is unfair
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  Speaker 2: to kids, you know, like kids who kill people. The
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  Speaker 2: UN Special Repertoire On Torture wrote an open letter to
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  Speaker 2: the Queensland government saying many new or proposed state laws,
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  Speaker 2: including Queensland's Making Queensland Safer Adult Crime Adult Time Amendment Bill,
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  Speaker 2: incompatible with basic child rights. If passed, the Queensland bill
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  Speaker 2: will result in additional adult penalties being applied to children
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  Speaker 2: for a wide arrange offences of offenses. Now the UN
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  Speaker 2: are calling for a child centered approach from Queensland courts
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  Speaker 2: when children commit murder or rape. I would have thought
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  Speaker 2: the point of the court is to be victim centered,
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  Speaker 2: not cuddling perpetrators, a point that David Chris fully made
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  Speaker 2: in regards to the UN telling Queensland how to behave
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  Speaker 2: have a look.
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  Speaker 4: And I say to the United Nations with the greatest
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  Speaker 4: of respect, this place will govern its laws. This place
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  Speaker 4: will determine how we keep Queenslander safe, and this place
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  Speaker 4: will be accountable to Queenslanders, not United Nations boffins. We
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  Speaker 4: stand up for Queenslanders, not unelected officials.
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  Speaker 5: A long way from this place.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Frayers should the Queensland government be kinder to children.
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  Speaker 3: Who commit murder or attempted murder or rape.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's pretty clear we need a victim centered approach.
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  Speaker 6: Just ask one of the many victims of youth crime
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  Speaker 6: in Queensland. And the reality is that fifty five percent
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  Speaker 6: of youth crime is committed by serious repeat offenders. Fifty
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  Speaker 6: five percent. These are not kids that had some sudden
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  Speaker 6: impulse and didn't think through their actions and had no
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  Speaker 6: idea what they're doing. These are kids that are in
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  Speaker 6: a life of crime that will keep reoffending and will
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  Speaker 6: keep hurting Australians unless they are locked up. And they
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  Speaker 6: talk about this child's centered approach. We've got to protect
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  Speaker 6: children's rights. But here's the thing. Rights are contingent on responsibility.
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  Speaker 7: When you violate.
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  Speaker 6: Your responsibility to your fellow citizens to treat them how
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  Speaker 6: you would like to be treated when you murder, rape,
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  Speaker 6: com in us and a whole bunch of serious offenses,
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  Speaker 6: Guess what, you don't have the right to claim you're
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  Speaker 6: just a child and you shouldn't go to prison.
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  Speaker 8: And a lot of these kids are repeat offenders. Right,
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  Speaker 8: they go through the system, the justice system, and what
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  Speaker 8: happens is that they get a slap on the wrist
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  Speaker 8: and they're back out there. There was even a case
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  Speaker 8: actually even in New South Wales last year there was
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  Speaker 8: an eleven year old boy who went to court for
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  Speaker 8: the seventieth time in his life.
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  Speaker 5: Eleven year old boy.
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  Speaker 8: So once again, what we're seeing here is a situation
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  Speaker 8: where the United Nations are just proving themselves to be
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  Speaker 8: a real irrelevant bunch of hacks.
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  Speaker 5: They just sit in a corner office making these decisions.
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  Speaker 8: I'd like them to face the families, the victims, those
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  Speaker 8: who have actually been the victims of home invasions by
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  Speaker 8: these little devils, or even the family for example of
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  Speaker 8: Emma Lavelle up in Brisbane who was brutally murdered by teenagers,
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  Speaker 8: and that case has already been and gone in court.
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  Speaker 8: But these are people, these are the real victims of this.
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  Speaker 8: And youth crime has actually jumped in Queensland. In fact
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  Speaker 8: it's jumped all across the country as well.
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  Speaker 5: The United Nations needs to actually.
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  Speaker 8: Get back to its basic work and stop intervening in
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  Speaker 8: issues that actually have nothing to do with them. Because
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  Speaker 8: youth crime is a serious problem in this country.
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  Speaker 5: But half of the problem.
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  Speaker 8: With it is the justice system itself, and not to mention,
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  Speaker 8: let's not forget the other issue are the parents?
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  Speaker 5: Where on over the parents?
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  Speaker 2: You said the United Nations should get back to their
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  Speaker 2: primary responsibility? Is there are what their primary responsibilities are?
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  Speaker 2: They've been freelancing on crazy issues for so long. I
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  Speaker 2: should point out the special repertoire for torture from the
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  Speaker 2: United Nations is Alice ed which she's actually an Australian woman,
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  Speaker 2: but she doesn't point out any solutions. And it's this softly,
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  Speaker 2: softly approached to juvenile crime that's got us into this
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  Speaker 2: position in.
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  Speaker 3: The first place.
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  Speaker 2: He's David Christofooley in Parliament today stressing that this problem
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  Speaker 2: has been going on for a long time and Queenslanders,
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  Speaker 2: who voted for a tough approach to juvenile crime have
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  Speaker 2: had enough.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to do something about it.
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  Speaker 4: We have followed exactly the timeline we outlined to the
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  Speaker 4: people of Queensland. We said that the first reign of
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  Speaker 4: changes would be done before Christmas.
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  Speaker 5: We said there'd be an expert.
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  Speaker 9: Committee set up and then the second wave of changes
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  Speaker 9: would come into effect. And we are determined to end
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  Speaker 9: a youth crime crisis a decade in the making.
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  Speaker 2: I'll make one more point, Deneka, and that is if
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  Speaker 2: adult crime, adult time laws are the biggest issue for
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations special repertoire on tour right now, then
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  Speaker 2: I reckon the world is doing pretty well.
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  Speaker 5: I think we must be doing very very well.
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  Speaker 8: But look, youth crime is a very very big problem
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  Speaker 8: in this country and it should not be ignored. So
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  Speaker 8: you know, these boffins, as David chriso Foley rightly put,
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  Speaker 8: it needs to just get back to their knitting because
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  Speaker 8: we can't keep going and that youth crime cycle, that
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  Speaker 8: the cycle of crime.
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  Speaker 5: Can't keep going.
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  Speaker 8: But look, let's move on now because it's official. The
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  Speaker 8: divorce has happened between the Liberal Party and the National Party.
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  Speaker 8: It is not good. The coalition has now split. Now
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  Speaker 8: they've split for the first time in nearly forty years,
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  Speaker 8: and only for the third time since they formed a
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  Speaker 8: coalition back in nineteen forty nine. And they've only been
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  Speaker 8: two other splits since. And look, this is really really
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  Speaker 8: not good. If you have a look.
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  Speaker 5: At the numbers.
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  Speaker 8: Now, we'll bring up the graphic that the Parliament numbers
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  Speaker 8: after that split.
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  Speaker 5: Look at labor.
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  Speaker 8: Ninety three seats twenty eight for the Liberal Party, fifteen
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  Speaker 8: for the NAT's six for the tials. So Labor right
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  Speaker 8: now are rubbing their hands together saying this is fantastic
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  Speaker 8: and what we know is another three years of labor
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  Speaker 8: is an absolute disaster. But the Nationals in today announcing
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  Speaker 8: their split, have put out a number of different.
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  Speaker 5: Demands, mainly to do with energy policy.
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  Speaker 8: Firstly, they want nuclear power, which was obviously something that
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  Speaker 8: the coalition took to the last election, but it petered
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  Speaker 8: into the background in the final weeks. They want supermarket breakups,
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  Speaker 8: twenty billion dollar regional fund as.
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  Speaker 5: Well as telco services.
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  Speaker 8: And here was a Nationals leader, David little Proud today
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  Speaker 8: announcing the decision.
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  Speaker 10: Our party room has got to a position where we
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  Speaker 10: will not be re entering a coalition agreement with the
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  Speaker 10: Liberal Party after this election. What we have got to
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  Speaker 10: a position is that the National Party will sit alone
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  Speaker 10: on a principal basis on the basis of looking forward,
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  Speaker 10: how having to look back and to try and actually
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  Speaker 10: regain important policy pieces that change the lives of the
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  Speaker 10: people we represent.
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  Speaker 8: And look, I can see it from both sides, but
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  Speaker 8: I also think that David Little Proud is not wrong here.
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  Speaker 8: Why on earth are they going to wait around for
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  Speaker 8: the Liberal Party to make policy decisions on key issues
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  Speaker 8: that are actually affecting regional parts of Australia right now.
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  Speaker 8: The biggest problem, and as I mentioned earlier, is what
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  Speaker 8: this means for labor because Labour now are.
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  Speaker 5: Going to be in government for a very very long.
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  Speaker 8: Time while the coalition is in the wilderness and the
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  Speaker 8: Libs and Nats sort out all of their drama. And
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  Speaker 8: it's something a little proud was asked today.
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  Speaker 5: Happen your hands with Anthony Alberonizia a massive.
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  Speaker 10: Thing by splitting Yeah, as I said, our first the
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  Speaker 10: commitment both Susan and I made is that we will
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  Speaker 10: work together to give her the space. I'm still there
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  Speaker 10: and the door is still open, but you need the
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  Speaker 10: time and space to know who you are and what
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  Speaker 10: you want to be.
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  Speaker 8: Well, the door is still open, but what is it
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  Speaker 8: going to take Because it's going to mean that the
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  Speaker 8: Liberals are going to have to come out with a
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  Speaker 8: very very firm policy when it comes to energy, in
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  Speaker 8: particular net zero, dropping those targets by twenty fifty, but
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  Speaker 8: ensuring that they readopt that nuclear policy.
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  Speaker 5: Here was Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 1: It is disappointing that the National Party has decided today
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  Speaker 1: to leave the coalition. But the most important thing I
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  Speaker 1: want to say is this, the National's door remains open
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  Speaker 1: and our door remains open, and we look forward with
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  Speaker 1: optimism to rejoining at some point in the future.
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  Speaker 8: And John Howard tonight on Andrew Bolt's program had some advice.
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  Speaker 11: I am very sorry that this has happened, and I
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  Speaker 11: urge both parties to work over time to put the
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  Speaker 11: coalition back together again, because all the history of Australias
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  Speaker 11: suggests that the glory days of the Liberal Party, the
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  Speaker 11: National Party, the Old Country Party are when they are
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  Speaker 11: working together in government. My experience as a Liberal leader
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  Speaker 11: and as a coalition prime minister is that if you
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  Speaker 11: have a strong coalition and plenty of trust, you can
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  Speaker 11: resolve any policy different.
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  Speaker 8: Well, here's how I look at this. I don't blame
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  Speaker 8: the Nationals for what they have done. Do I think
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  Speaker 8: this is good? No, I think this is an absolute disaster.
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  Speaker 5: I think this is really really poor.
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  Speaker 8: But in the end, it's actually the Nationals who are
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  Speaker 8: propping up the coalition right now because the Liberals did
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  Speaker 8: so poorly during the election campaign, and it's actually the
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  Speaker 8: Nationals who did very well other than the seat from
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  Speaker 8: the former Deputy Leader Peren Davy. Other than that seat,
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  Speaker 8: they actually are propping up the coalition right now. The
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  Speaker 8: Nationals know what they stand for, they know what their
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  Speaker 8: policies are. Susan Lee came out last week after she
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  Speaker 8: was elected as Liberal leader and she was asked about
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  Speaker 8: nuclear She was asked about net zero by twenty fifty
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  Speaker 8: and she said, well, I need to consult with the
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  Speaker 8: party room. I'm not going to make a captain's pick.
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  Speaker 8: It didn't sound awfully convincing. Albeit she'd only been in
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  Speaker 8: the job for a couple of hours, but it was
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  Speaker 8: not convincing to me.
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  Speaker 5: And if this is a.
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  Speaker 8: Serious Liberal party then they're going to have to put
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  Speaker 8: some serious policies together. Otherwise the future of Conservative politics
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  Speaker 8: is going down the wayside.
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  Speaker 6: No look, I think we're being a bit unfair to
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  Speaker 6: Susan here. I actually think think about where we are.
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  Speaker 6: Less than three weeks ago the election was held. Her
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  Speaker 6: mother has tragically passed away. The Nationals have then come
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  Speaker 6: into the coalition agreement making process with a list of
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  Speaker 6: four specific policy demands. They also want the ability for
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  Speaker 6: shadow ministers to break shadow ministerial solidarity and vote against
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  Speaker 6: the party on contentious issues. Now, I just think that
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  Speaker 6: is unprecedented. Firstly, and also why now now? Some of
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  Speaker 6: the nationals are making the argument that if we don't
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  Speaker 6: assert this now, these policies aren't going to get up.
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  Speaker 6: But how can you really believe that? Even if you
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  Speaker 6: look at the numbers of the leadership battle, they were
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  Speaker 6: really close. I don't think the Liberal Party is ready
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  Speaker 6: to abandon nuclear or a range of those sort of
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  Speaker 6: regional Australian policies.
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  Speaker 7: So I just don't see why they've done this.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's caused so much more harm than good.
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  Speaker 6: And David little Proud was questioned about this on Paul
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  Speaker 6: Murray tonight and this is what he said.
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  Speaker 10: But the circumstances that Susan had in terms of wanting
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  Speaker 10: to be able to announce a shadow cabinet, which meant
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  Speaker 10: a coalition agreement had to be done in the coming days,
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  Speaker 10: but not being able to give us that comfort or
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  Speaker 10: guarantee that those policies that we were looking at could
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  Speaker 10: be guaranteed because she wanted to go through a longer
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  Speaker 10: elongated period of policy formation that we couldn't sign up
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  Speaker 10: to her because these are hard fought wings that would
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  Speaker 10: change the lives of people in region.
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  Speaker 6: Austrade, but that period of policy formation was one of
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  Speaker 6: the key planks Susan Lee ran on when she became
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  Speaker 6: a Liberal leader because there was criticism of the last
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  Speaker 6: leader that decision making was centralized, shadow minister's backbenches weren't consultant.
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  Speaker 6: Susan has been very focused in making sure those mistakes
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  Speaker 6: aren't repeated again.
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  Speaker 7: James, was there any point to this move?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, A couple of things.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with you on Frere firstly, and I want
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  Speaker 2: to be careful with this because I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be misinterpreted. Everybody is very sad and sympathetic for Susan
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  Speaker 2: Lee that her mother passed away.
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  Speaker 3: That's a given. That's a terrible thing for any family
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  Speaker 3: to face. But I have a.
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  Speaker 2: Little bit of a problem with that being used as
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  Speaker 2: her mother just passed away. To be fair, she took
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  Speaker 2: on the leadership knowing her mother was in pellative care.
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  Speaker 2: I think with the understanding that her mother could pass
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  Speaker 2: at any moment.
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  Speaker 3: So I think you've got a way up.
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  Speaker 2: Do I want to take on that position with my
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  Speaker 2: family facing this problem right now? If you take on
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  Speaker 2: the position, then you take on the position knowing full
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  Speaker 2: well you may have to deal with this while confronting that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you can use that as a where
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  Speaker 2: the Nationals should have been kinder and weighted. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think this is a divorce, Frayer. I think this is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, both parties having some alone time or they
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  Speaker 2: work themselves out.
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  Speaker 8: And I just think, it's not you, it's me exactly,
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  Speaker 8: and not you, it's me. But hopefully we might reconcile
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  Speaker 8: later on.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure, but how do you have a relationship
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  Speaker 2: with someone who's still trying to figure out who they are?
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  Speaker 2: And that's where the Liberal Party are at. They're not
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  Speaker 2: ruling anything in, not ruling anything out. They've got their
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  Speaker 2: feet firmly planted in mid air. How do you hold
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  Speaker 2: hands and walk with that?
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  Speaker 8: I agree, and I still think this is a problem
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  Speaker 8: with a liberal party right now is they do not
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  Speaker 8: know what their policies are.
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  Speaker 5: But the Nationals are full formed.
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  Speaker 8: They're going, let's drop net zero by twenty fifty, let's
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  Speaker 8: reintroduce nuclear and what are the Liberals doing?
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  Speaker 7: But that's fraggering it out.
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  Speaker 6: But that's the whole point of the party room. That's
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  Speaker 6: the whole point of having your shadow ministers. You then
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  Speaker 6: have those debates. I don't see why they couldn't do
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  Speaker 6: this in a couple months time, once those debates have
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  Speaker 6: actually been had. But bringing this now, it's just blowing
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  Speaker 6: the thing up before they've even got together.
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  Speaker 8: Doesn't it suggest to you that there are too many
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  Speaker 8: moderates in the Liberal Party who do not support nuclear
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  Speaker 8: energy and do not support pulling out of the Powers Agreement,
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  Speaker 8: And that is that is the problem here, because if
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  Speaker 8: you keep going down this track.
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  Speaker 5: The lives are going to be in the wilderness for.
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  Speaker 8: So many more years to come unless I have actual,
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  Speaker 8: straightforward and straight down the line policies to differentiate.
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  Speaker 2: And the other issue I have is people saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: the Nats have blown up the coalition.
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  Speaker 3: The Liberals blew up the Liberals all by themselves. They
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  Speaker 3: did a great job.
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  Speaker 2: And the short poor number of seats they've got in
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  Speaker 2: the Parliament that you showed the nika A pretty much
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  Speaker 2: proofs that.
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  Speaker 6: I Well, it'll be interesting to see how they can
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  Speaker 6: reunite after this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they will. They'll come back.
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  Speaker 7: Well, they have to.
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  Speaker 2: Love always wins in the end.
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  Speaker 7: James first and beautiful exactly.
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  Speaker 6: Now moving on to the Australian housing sector is it
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  Speaker 6: is no secret that this has been a challenging industry
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  Speaker 6: for Australia for a long time, but some new data
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  Speaker 6: has revealed some startling statistics. Official productivity data has revealed
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  Speaker 6: that while dwelling construction productivity has collapsed over the last decade,
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  Speaker 6: the downturn has accelerated over the past five years, with
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  Speaker 6: estimates that the supply of new homes is forty percent
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  Speaker 6: below what is needed to meet demand. Now, what is
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  Speaker 6: causing this well, a whole range of things, mainly workforce
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  Speaker 6: shortages in the construction sector and also massive over regulation.
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  Speaker 6: So the Masters Builders Association said that last year there
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  Speaker 6: was a one hundred and thirty thousand trady shortfall one
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  Speaker 6: hundred and thirty thousand and around half the price of
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  Speaker 6: a land and new home build in Australia goes towards
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  Speaker 6: taxes and regulations. It is honestly a miracle that our
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  Speaker 6: construction sector is building anything at all at the moment.
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  Speaker 6: On top of that, you have high interest rates, you
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  Speaker 6: have high material cost and then you have militant union activity,
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  Speaker 6: particularly the CFMU, which has been shown to drive our
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  Speaker 6: building costs as much as thirty percent. Now it seems
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  Speaker 6: like we have layer after layer of problem here. How
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  Speaker 6: do we begin to unwind this?
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  Speaker 2: James Well, my question, Fray is when does a government
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  Speaker 2: pledge become a government out and out live is the
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  Speaker 2: Labor government would they promised one point two million homes
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  Speaker 2: by the end of the decade. According to these figures,
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  Speaker 2: we'd need sixty thousand new homes every quarter.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: We've never built that many.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Homes and at the same time we're demanding the most
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: we've ever asked of the construction industry. We've got the
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: lowest productivity ever in the construction industry and this would
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: not be news.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: To the Albanezy government. They would be fully aware of this.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So how can you promise one point two million new
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: homes whilst knowing you're asking for something never done before
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: from an industry that's never been less productive. It's an
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: out and out lie masquerading as an election problem.
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: And look, the Master Builders has been very strong on
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: this from the beginning. You've got Alberizi coming out promising
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: one point two million homes by the end of the decade,
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: but there were estimations last year that they would only
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: build one hundred thousand homes last year alone.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: So it was so it's so well below the target.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: But overall, you've.
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: Got housing affordability at its worst level in more than
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: two decades, and building approvals are already at two year lows.
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: People are being squeezed out of the housing market. We've
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: got record migration, well the one point one million migrants
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: have come into this country since Anthony Albanesi took office
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: three years ago.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Where are you going to house all these people? And
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: this is half of and this is half the problem.
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: And I just I just had this one more point
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: that they there was even predictions that Melbourne alone will
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: reach the size of New York City by twenty fifty
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: nine million people. Again, where are you going to put
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: all these people? We have not planned properly for the future.
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: The master builders have had it because they're under pressure.
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: They're trying to get their tradees and they're not they're
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: not being supported by the Anthony Albanesi government. And so
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: you know Anthony Albanezi, it's easy for him to say, oh, well,
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: look the economy's doing. Oh well, it's a Ponzi scheme
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: that's been propped up by Migro just on Melbourne.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Can you I mentione the population of New York and
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: then consider their social policies with the population of New
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: York with the culture of San Francisco would.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Want to live there.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: But he picked up on a really interesting point there, Dinaninka.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: The reality is that even if Australia was building at
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: our record high rate, which is around two hundred and
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: thirty thousand homes a year, it would still not be
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: enough to sufficiently house Australians because of the record migration.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: And that is the elephant in the room. No amount
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: of housing future funds, no amount of government funding, is
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: going to solve the fact that you have a huge
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: influx of demand coming in through net overseas migration. In
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty three alone we had over five hundred thousand.
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: That is like bringing in another Canberra in No amounts
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: of construction could actually meet that demand.
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: And the other thing is is that nobody ever voted
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: for a big Australia policy, but this is where we're
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: finding ourselves in and no wonder we can't get people
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: into homes. But the other issue, I don't actually think
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: it was properly front and Center at the election. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: know that Peter Dutton did put a policy on the table,
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: but I don't think it was prosecuted enough.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: And I also think that if the Liberals want to.
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: Be fed income, they should go hard on migration, because
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: I do I think that it is a vote driving issue.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Let's change pace for a moment because I want to
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: talk about a drug that has become incredibly popular right
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: around the world, including here in Australia.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: There's a miracle drug.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Ostensibly to treat people with type two diabetes, ozem pic,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: but it's also been found to help people lose weight,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: so it's become very popular. And I get the appealed
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Dane could take your drug, you lose weight. You don't
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: have to do other things, just take the drug. But
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: get a load of headline which we'll be ringing alarm
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: bells for people taking this drug both here and overseas.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: The headline reads, Ozenpic and wigo v have been linked
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: to eyestrokes, as the TGA reports ten cases of blindness. Now,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: there's a chemical in this drug that reportedly reduces blood
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: flow to the optic nerve and it's been found to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: cause vision impairment and even blindness. As I said, the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: TGA have had ten cases here in Australia. There's about
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: nine cases at least that I read of in the
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: United States. And so now people are being worn to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: consider whether or not this is an appropriate drug to
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: take off label to use as a weight loss stimulus.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure Freyer, that this is going to worry
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: too many people. This is what I imagine the conversation
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: will be, Well, there's millions of people taking this drug,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and we've got what eight examples of people having vision
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: impairment here nine overseas, the odds are pretty good. And
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: secondary to that, I think most people calculate, you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: everything has a risk, right, there's a price for everything,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and I reckon most people won't worry too much. But
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: still a very concerning headline I would have thought.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: And it does frustrate me that I spent an hour
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: a day in the gym and now other people can
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: so injecto Zepik. I'm like, seriously, but if you do
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: look at the statistics on a macro level, I do
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: think this is an incredible drug, despite some serious side
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: effects because obesity in twenty eighteen, it costs the Australian
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: economy eleven point eight billion dollars. Around thirty percent of
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Australians are obese. That puts a huge burden on our
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: healthcare system. And so I think if there is anything
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: that can assist people to lose weight, and this will
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: particularly help disadvantaged communities. So for example, in Central Australia,
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: among Indigenous people, the obesity rates up around like forty percent,
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: if not higher.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: So I think it's a really great drug.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: I just think the way it's being used at the
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: moment as an off label drug to basically assist wealthy,
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: probably Sydney siders to shed a few kilos'.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: Is probably not ideal.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Now one of the unintended consequences of this has been
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: there's now a shortage of OZM picks in Australia.
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: Look, I look, I think that, and I go to
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: your point there, Freyer. The problem that I have with
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: ozen peak is that OZM peak it is so readily
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: available now. You know, I even know people who take
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: it just before their wedding, just to shed a couple
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: of kilos just before their wedding.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I how long had you take it before the event
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: you take it?
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: Maybe a couple of months before you lose a little
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: bit of weight then you stop. And I don't agree
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: with this, okay, I don't think. And the reason is
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: that I know Type two diabetics who have been on
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: this drug and it has helped.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: It has done wonders. It has actually lowered their sugar levels.
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: But the problem is is that these type two diabetics
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: cannot get access to the drug because it is that
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: there's such a shortage because everyone is using it as
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: a quick fix and I'm talking healthy, young adults using
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: it as a quick fix. The other problem is is
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: that we still don't know the long term side effects.
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: And I mean, if it's causing blindness, that is a problem,
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: and I've heard of other people who have had quite
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: significant side effects. A lot of digestive issues are a
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: complete loss of appetite, and you just don't think long
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: term that that is particularly healthy.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: We just don't know. But I do agree to your point, Freyer.
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: If it can help people, it can help certain communities,
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: go for it if that's what people want to do,
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: but take it only if you need it, if you're
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: a young, fit, healthy adult.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Come on, seriously, So what we're talking about medicine.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you a story that happened to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: me last week, and I want to get your thoughts
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: on this because I went to my GP just for
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: your general checkup.
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: It's okay.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Not to get the weight loss drug just for my
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: general checkup. And he asked me a question I've never
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: heard from a doctor before. He said, do you mind
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: if I use AI to take notes from our discussion?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: And that kind of caught me by surprise, But because
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I like you, I said, yeah, sure, didn't think.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Too much about it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I've just read today that now one in four
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: gps in this country are using AI to write their
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: consultation notes. Their argument is that it's faster because, let's
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: face it, if you've ever written a doctor's read a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: doctor's script, their handwriting is not great, and I suggest
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: they're typing not much better. On top of that, they
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: argue it enables them to focus more on you, the patient,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: rather than looking away and scribbling notes.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: The downside, of course.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And I did ask this, does this mean the Chinese
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Commanist Party now has access to all of our discussion?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: He assured me of privacy, But is anything really private
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: these days? Like that The other argument against it is
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: when AI is transcribing conversations, it's not always accurate. And
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: what if down the track you're reading medical notes that
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: have been transcribed inaccurately, and then a diagnosis or medication
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: is prescribed on the basis of inaccurate notes.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Who then is liable? So I guess I'm not a
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: fan of it, But that's the first I had heard
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: of it last week.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Now reading it today in the media, this is going
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to be a common thing.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: I think it will be, and there is no way
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: we can get around the AI revolution. This will be
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: the new frontier in productivity growth because I think we've
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: all been in the doctor's office and you see your
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: doctor sitting there two finger typing for like half of
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: your fifteen minute appointment and you're just seeing the money
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: go down the train while you watch them type. So
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: anything to speed that up I think is good. But
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: it does raise some interesting concerns as well around privacy.
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: Can insurance companies subpoena those transcripts to then you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: look at more of your records? Are they able to
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: be used in court? But there are some other benefits
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: of AI in the medical field, So I have a
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: friend who had a spinal injury. They went and got
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: a radiology report and MRI and it was full of
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: medical jargons, so they had no way to interpret it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: Uploaded it into chat GPT, said analyze this and tell
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: me what it means. They got this great report, went
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: to the spinal surgeon. The spinal surgeon said, exactly what
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: was in the AI report. So there are some definite
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: benefits for diagnosing cases.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Doctors don't want you to go and google things, right,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: because then you become a medical expert and.
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: You've become a hypod time, you've become a hypochondriac because
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: suddenly you've got every single.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Day he's under the sun if you use it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: But look, I look, it does worry me because my
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: concern is the privacy aspect, as we mentioned. But I
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: do believe that there are benefits to using chat GPT,
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: because there was also this article here that says that
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: a number of young ossies are using chat GPT and
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: almost like as almost like a therapy as a therapy session.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Now was that good?
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Look you know, look, I actually.
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: Don't have a problem with it, because if you're struggling,
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: if you know you're struggling, and it's late at night
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: and you need something to talk to to help calm
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: you down. I think putting a couple of lines into
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: chat gpt. This is how I'm feeling. Can you provide
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: me with a bit of advice? Chat GPT comes back
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: to you and says, take a breath, relax. I don't
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: mind it, James, I don't mind it. Now call me
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: a bit cuckoo here, but I don't have a problem
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: with chat GPT being used as a therapist as a friend.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Far bit from me to call Denika de Giorgio a
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: bit cuckoo, but totally con the past that the point
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: of these AI configurations is to create dependency. So if
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I was to go to a therapist, the therapist would
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: properly advise me, but that the goal would be to
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: get me to a point where I no longer be
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: am dependent on therapy. But AI its whole modus op
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: randi is to keep you in if.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: You agree he do become addicted to it. I always
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: say that I do believe it's an addiction.
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: But if you can't afford to go and see a
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: therapist and you want immediate adverts.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: You've had a bad real ers.
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: What if you don't have a friend, James, I mean
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: not everybody's a social join the club, maybe for a.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Walk and talk to someone in the past.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: But maybe some people aren't.
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: Maybe some people are genuinely lonely and they need an
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: outlet to make themselves feel better than I am all
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: for artificial intelligence.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: I do not have a problem with it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: I'm with you on this one, Dania. I think that
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: there's a role.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: It feels like you're ganging up the joke about my weight.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Now you're ganging up at me on this.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: There is one hundred percent a role for AI. Now.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: I saw a girl on TikTok who told this story.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: She downloaded all the messages between her and her ex boyfriend,
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: uploaded them into chat. GBT said, analyze this conversation and
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: tell me where he's manipulating me. Then write an essay
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: back rebutting all of his points. And she did that.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: She sent it back to Himan speechless. So this can
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: result relationship dramas as well.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: The coalition you get the Nationals A.
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: David, little crowded artificial intelligence is waiting for you to
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: resolve your divorce exactly. Well, look we've got to talk
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: about half the City of Sydney Council. I mean, I
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: wish they would get a divorce, but no.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: They're still there.
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: Now, look, let me just paint a little bit of
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: a picture for you. It's a bustling night in Pop's
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: Point in Sydney's a fancy eastern suburbs. There's a restaurant
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: called Lady Chu. It's a famous Vietnamese restaurant. It's a
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: busy night when Lady Chu is visited by a number
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: of council rangers. Now, council rangers weren't there to discuss,
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: you know, what's going on.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: It's a busy night. Is everything going okay? No?
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: No, is it a picture that we just brought up.
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: The council rangers were upset by the pop plants. That's right,
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: by the fake plants, the fake greenery, everything on display
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: that makes the ambiance of this fantastic Vietnamese restaurant just
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: so absolutely brilliant. They rocked up unannounced, they say, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: they meant serious business. Choose plants, Lady Choose plants were
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: obstructing the footpath and that is when the owner.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Lost it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: She whipped out her phone to film an expletive. Layden
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: ran to the rangers, who probably wish that they could
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: have been anywhere else, and well, we don't have the video,
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: but I've got the quotes and I'm going to try
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: and read them out to you. She said, I'm trying
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: to activate a dead city and you're trying to effing
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: shut it down.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: I'm not an effing naughty school kid, so don't speak
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: to me like that.
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: And then in a subsequent video, I'm paying effing taxes
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: and I'm paying your wages.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: Well, you certainly get the picture there.
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: Now the owner of this restaurant and got on her
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: at Naji Chu is her name. She said that she
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: escaped communists Southeast China for freedom, only to come to
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: a worse ragime. She said, if I have to go
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: to jail to change this stupid.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Law, I will.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: I mean, good on her, Good on Naji Chew. I
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: think for taking a stand. And once again, what does
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: this suggest the City of Sydney have absolutely no idea
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: what they're doing. I mean, they're going after busy, bustling
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: restaurants that actually was putting money into the City of Sydney,
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: that is trying to revive the city.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: Which Lets be honest, Sydney's nightlife is absolutely dead as
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: They're trying to do the City of Sydney a favor
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: and instead of focusing on roads, rates and rubbish, they're
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: always picking the wrong find this city.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I got to say, I'm not a massive fan of
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Vietnamese food, but I would go and eat at that
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: restaurant just to support someone who stands up for her
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: rights like that. Talk about just getting over getting stumbling
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: over little stupid, petty issues. You've got enough problems trying
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to run a small business in Sydney without council rangers
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: complaining about the pop plant obstructing the foot path.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Give me a break.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: It is honestly ridiculous.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: But this seems to be a theme with the City
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: of Sydney council. They also banned festivals because of climate change,
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: because apparently, like standing on the grass is really really bad,
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: except there's an exemption to the ban for Invasion Day
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: festivals and mightighti grass, So they're keeping the essentials going.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: But it is honestly ridiculous, and they can't complain about
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: a dead Sydney when they're the ones killing it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I agree with you, Hey, just Before we go to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: a break, I've got to show you the latest aircraft
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that the Chinese military are putting on show.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I'll show you this because Australia has recently signed up,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: at a cost of about five billion dollars to buy
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: twenty or thirty new Apache attack helicopters, but the rest
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: of the world is going with drones. This is a
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: new Chinese plane that can fly at high altitude and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: then it releases into the sky up to one hundred
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: drones that could be used for surveillance or that could
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: be armed with weapons. And you can imagine all of
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: a sudden, one hundred drones being unleashed. It would completely
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: overwhelm an enemy. I find it really interesting that the
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Chinese are doing this kind of weaponry at a time
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: when we're buying attack helicopters. The Japanese military have decided
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to do away with attack helicopters in favor of drones.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: The Russian military learned a pretty stiff lesson in Ukraine.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: They've lost thirty seven attack helicopters to the Ukrainians, some
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: of them shot down with drones that, of course, are
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars cheaper than these very expensive helicopters.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Australia seems to be investing in old technology while the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: rest of the world is embracing drones.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: Well, meanwhile, our adf are struggling with recruitment. They've got
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: pronouns on their enrollment forms, and we really are leaving
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: ourselves exposed in the event that we are attacked me
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: while China have got these sophisticated drones.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: That is very concerning.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: And keep in mind Trump has asked the EU to
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: raise NATO, sorry, to raise their defense spending to far
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: percent of GDP. Australia's is stagnant at just two percent.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: It's not just that we're investing in the wrong things,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: We're not investing in anything at all.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Well, we're going to go to a break.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll take a look at what's
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: making headlines tomorrow, including the fun newspaper editors are having
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: with the coalition split, all of that more in just
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: a moment. Well, it's a great week to be a
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: newspaper editor, and tomorrow's front pages show they have a
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: lot of fun with the Coalition bust up. I'll show
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you a few of tomorrow's front pages. Will start with
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the Adelaide Advertiser. They've gone for noalition divorce, eighty year
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: marriage hits the rocks as Nats dump Liberals.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: That's not bad.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: The Canberra Times have gone with an atomic bomb nuclear
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: option Libs and Nats blow up the coalition with the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: faces of the two lead is. They're large, but probably
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the best of tomorrow's headlines I think with regards this
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: particular story is the Courier Mail in Queensland.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: It's not me, it's you.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Coalition divorce, how NAT's broke bad news to lives. It
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: reads a little bit like a reality TV show. So
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: that's how the coalition bust up is being covered in
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the papers tomorrow. There's a lot of other news making headlines.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Rape laws overhaul is the second story featured there in
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the Career Mail. The opinions of friends and family of
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: accused rapists will be given less weight in court under
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: major new reforms for sexual assault sentencing in Queensland.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: This comes from recommendations from the Queensland Sentencing Advisory Council, who,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: amongst other things, have advised that there needs to be
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: a reduced weight given to character references when people are
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: convicted of sexual crimes like rape. Those character references could
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: be used to assess someone's suitability for rehabilitation or their
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: likelihood to re offend, but should not be given weight
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: when it comes to sentencing.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: The other recommendation.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: From the Council is that harm done to the victim
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: needs to be the key factor in sentencing and needs
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to take priority above all else. And a third recommendation
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: is that sex offenses against children should be regarded as
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the most serious of sex offenses and sentencing should reflect that.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure afraid those are the sorts of recommendations
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: to be implemented in Queensland that everybody would agree very
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: sensible and long.
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: Overdue one hundred percent.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: And the thing with character references is, in a lot
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: of cases sometimes these crimes literally occur out of the blue.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: There was the high profile case at St Andrew's Cathedral
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: School where there was no obvious indication before this horrendous
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: murder happened that there was any character flaws with the murderer,
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: and if anyone had given a reference, they would have
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: said he was a pretty good guy. And that was
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: what all the witnesses said, everyone who knew him, And
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: so I think this is good. Like, we have to
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: judge people on their actions, not on what their friends
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: and families are going to say about it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, because it does carry a lot of weight in
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: a court room. So I think it's I think it's
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: a good one. Now let's move on now to the
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: Gold Coast Bulletin their headline tomorrow is police probe into
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: DV post.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: A Gold Coast police officer.
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: Is under internal investigation after a Facebook comment on a
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: domestic violence rally post said quote, all I see is
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: a lot of women sitting around and a lot of
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: sandwiches not getting made. Queensland Police Services said it was
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: aware of this matter. I mean, look, obviously time and place,
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: you just come on, you pick your time, pick your place.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: You don't say stuff like that.
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: That's just absolutely ridiculous to be putting on your Facebook
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: in the middle of a domestic violence rally, especially in
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: Queensland where there have been multiple instances of domestic violence
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: where women have allegedly been murdered at the hands of
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: their partner.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: I think it's pretty poor taste.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: It's a very poor taste joke and unfortunately I suspect
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: for that officer not the sort of joke that a
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: policeman who's dealing with domestic BARANCS issues can be seen
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to be making so.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: And I don't get what he was trying to achieve
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: by this, Like, seriously, your job is to protect women
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: and to enforce the law, and you really undermine public
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: confidence when you make comments like this.
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: But moving on to Victoria.
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: Now, Victoria's state debt is on track to hit a
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: record two hundred billion dollars.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: That's seventy one thousand.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: Dollars for every household, amid serious questions over future spending
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: in education, health, justice, energy and transport. Official forecast release
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: in Tuesday's budget predict a net debt will continue to
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: arise to one one hundred and ninety four billion by
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty eight, with an attached interest bill of ten
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: billion dollars per year or twenty eight million dollars a day.
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: That is truly staggering.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: I feel like, just when we think Victoria can't get
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: any worse, they somehow managed to do it again. But
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: that figure there, especially the interest bill twenty eight million
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: a day Victorians are paying to service the existing debt.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: I would feel outraged if I was a Victorian.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you get real quiet.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: You can actually hear the cars driving across the Victoria
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: ordering in New South Wales and up in the Queensland
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: right now, because who would want to live in a
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: state where the government is spending that much money from
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: taxpayers just serving interest. Interestingly, the Victorian Premier Jacquelin Simes,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: she said, Danika, we're not like Perth, and I know
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you're from Perth and you love Perth. She said, We're
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: not like Western Australia where they can just dig up
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: wels from the ground. We have to tax people on
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: their income and we have the tax property.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: She actually said that, but I didn't think to myself,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: hang on a second.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I know Western Australia is very rich in mineral resources,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: but doesn't Victoria have gas sitting right under the refusing
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: to access.
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: And also, let's be realistic, the Victorian government absolutely bugged
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: things up during the COVID pandemic.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: Everything was shut down.
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: So not only have businesses gone broke, the state's gone
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: backwards and now people are going to have to play
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: higher taxes to repay all of the debts that the
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: Victorian government has put that state in.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: I just think it's absolutely appalling.
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: Let's move on now to the Australian newspaper tomorrow.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: A couple of stories there. We'll look at this one here.
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: RBA flag specter of recession. The RBA has rushed to
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: cut the official interest rate by zero point twenty five
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: percentage points and considered a half percentage point reduction after
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: downgrading economic growth and business investment forecasts on a weaker
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: global outlook and a slow and household expenditure. The Central Bank,
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: which warnted of an outside risk of recession in the
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: extreme case of Donald Trump's trade war, lowered its forecast
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: for its key measure of inflation. So look, obviously that's
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: I think a positive from the Reserve Bank, though I've
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: got to say when it comes to inflation though, when
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: we were talking about migration earlier on, it's been a
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: complete Tonzi scheme economy. It's all right for Albert to
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: come out and say, well, look we escaped a recession.
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: We're all okay, Well, you know that's because of migration,
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: but also inflation stayed higher for longer than what it
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: should have been. But obviously if you're a mortgage holder,
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: you would be pleased James that there's a rate cast.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one's ever going to complain about a rate cut,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: but I'm not sure that that says the economy is
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: doing well. The other interesting part of this article, and
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: you alluded to it a moment ago, Danika, is that
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: the article says a further increase in government spending is
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: forecast to make up for the shortfall in business investment growth.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And that's a really concerning thing when government spending is
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: propping up the economy, because you never wind that back.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Can you get yourself into trouble a la Victoria exactly?
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: Well, over the last three years under labor, the majority
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: of jobs growth has come from government funded sectors. Our
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: entire economy right now is being propped up by government spending,
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: and that itself has pushed up inflation. It's kept inflation
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: higher for longer. It is also leading to a less
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: productive economy where labor isn't allocated based on demand from
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: the private sector. It's being allocated based on a government
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: that just wants to boost its headline GDP figures. And
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: ultimately it's Australians that are going to lose out under this.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: And I would also just make the point that one
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: interest rate cut does not make up for the twelve
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: rate rises that have happened under labor, families are around
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: fifty thousand dollars worse off if they have a mortgage.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: One rate cut is not going to change that.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: No, your spot on it certainly won't.
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: Another interesting story on the front page says Snowy workers
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: in prison. Snowy Hydro two point zero has been accused
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: of turning the project into a jail after telling striking
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: workers they will effectively be confined to their rooms and
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: face discipline reaction if they try and leave the site.
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: When they stop work for twenty four hours. Ahead of
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: workers walking off the job on Wednesday, Future Generation Joint
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: Venture Deputy project director Kevin Dunning told them.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: Site access would be restricted from five pm on Tuesday
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: until six am on Thursday. I mean, look, look Snowy
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: two point Oh, let's be realistic.
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: I mean the scheme is an absolute disaster as it is,
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: but now the workers are apparently in a prison, not
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: allowed to leave the site. They can't do anything. Looking
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: over their shoulder, Am I going to get sacked? What's
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: going to happen?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: That's one way to deal with strikers.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Well, that's true. Good point.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: As our associate Tim Blair, a Sky News correspondent, remarked,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: today the snowy Hydro workers could go on striking, I
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: don't think anyone would notice.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: Correct, And they're the ones who chose to strike. So
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: if snow we Hydro take some precautions to make sure
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: they don't destroy the place.
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: I think that it's their.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Fault and the project will just be delayed by another
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: decade and go to a break when we come back.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Would you buy toilet paper, toothpaste, tea bags as a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: wedding gift? One supermarket is betting that you will. We'll
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: talk about that in just a making.
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Whenever you're invited to a wedding, you've got to think
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: what am I going to wear? And what gift are
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: we going to give the happy couple? But Danika One
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Supermarket reckons they've come up with an idea.
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, you think maybe you might get you know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: wishing well, you might get a bit of money, perhaps
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: some kitchen utensils. There's something something more practical that you
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: can use when you and your then husband enjoy your
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: lives together. But look, Tesco is taking it to a
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: whole new level, launching their own apparently useful quote unquote
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: wedding gift service.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Now here's some of the options.
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: It includes a five pack of twelve rolls of own
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: brand luxury soft toilet tissue, toothpaste, refuse sacks, kitchen towel,
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: an antibacterial hand wash, as well as shower products. So
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: the supermarket giant says it's introduce a service after finding
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: that many couples actually prefer practical items rather than extravagant gifts.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: And according to a Tesco.
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: Supermarket spokeswoman, she says, while toilet roll and tea bags
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: might not immediately seem like the most romantic option, it's
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: clear from our research, but these are products that could
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: help get married life off to a brilliant start.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: Look, look, I actually don't have I want to see
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: the research. I don't have an issue with this, no,
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: but I mean what happens if you don't You know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: you don't have a lot of money. You're starting from
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: scratch here, and this could actually help somebody.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: I think it. Actually, you don't have money when you're
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: starting from scratch. You want yeah, but you might not crockery.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: You're not having a big you might not be having
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: a big wedding. You might just have a quick, little, small,
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: little family function. It's very expensive and.
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: You just need a couple of items to help you
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: buy in the middle of a cost of living crisis. James,
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: come on, I actually do not have a problem with this.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: To be honest, Denika, when you eventure get married, I'm
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: going to remember this conversation.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Don't tolet and tea bags what you saw.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: No, I'm with you here.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: Look, I just got married and before my wedding, my
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: grandma rocked up to my new apartment with a laundry
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: basket and some towels and some nice spatula, just some
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: kitchen essentials and I still use that laundry basket.
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: My mother in law.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: We've actually got a picture of the gift you got
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: from your grand here it is.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's amazing.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: You must have loved that my mother in law got
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: me sprain wipe and sponges, and that it's practical. Maybe
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: not as your only wedding gift, but certainly if you're
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: just moving into a new place, cleaning supplies are a
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: great gift.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: But moving on now to another fun story. In France,
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: there was a horse racer happening and a jockey was
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: seen holding on for dear Look at this.
• 48:03
  Speaker 12: Go into the Bullfinch and it is Lason who's very
• 48:07
  Speaker 12: brave and at the back we have lost Lord Brett,
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: Lord brod Lor. Look at Lord Brett's jockey. They're hanging
• 48:14
  Speaker 12: on for dear life to Amazon's jockey and horse. Spectacular stuff.
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: So he fell off his horse.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: He didn't just manage to hold onto his own horse.
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: He also managed to grab hold of another horse and
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: there was a solid four or five second period there
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: where he was straddling both horses while going probably what
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: sixty k's an hour.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: It was an incredible effort, I'll tell you what. And
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: lucky he didn't injure himself.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: It was very lucky, and it didn't injure the other
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: jockey as well, the other horse that he was trying
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: to pull down.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: He'll probably be banned for a couple of races for
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: cheating by grabbing onto the other horse, but he saved
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: his own hide. That's all we've got time for tonight
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: stick Around. Coming up is the Reader Penalty Show.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Good Night, m