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#79 Aaron 'Woodsy' Woods Shares IVF struggles · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: Ash.
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  Speaker 2: It's not very often that we hear blokes talking about
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  Speaker 2: their journey with IVF.
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  Speaker 3: And this bonus episode we get to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Matt with NRL front rower Aaron Woods, or Woodsy as
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  Speaker 4: he's known.
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  Speaker 2: Were you nervous going into this episode? Because he's a
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  Speaker 2: manly player he is. You're a big Manley fan. Were
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  Speaker 2: you starstruck at all?
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  Speaker 3: Ash?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 3: Were you?
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  Speaker 1: Nah?
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  Speaker 5: Woodsy's had quite a career.
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  Speaker 2: He's played for the West Tigers, Cornella Sharks and the Bulldogs.
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  Speaker 2: But today we're diving into his life off the field.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Woods is a father of three, with two kids conceived
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  Speaker 4: via IVF and one naturally. He's married to the lovely
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  Speaker 4: Sarah Woods.
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  Speaker 2: Growing up as an only child in a single parent household,
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  Speaker 2: Woodsey was living above a news agency in the inner
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  Speaker 2: West of Sydney. Aaron spent countless hours with his grandmother
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  Speaker 2: and Aunties while his mother worked.
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  Speaker 4: His upbringing has clearly influenced his approach to fatherhood. Now
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  Speaker 4: he's a hands on dad to Buster, almost fire of
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  Speaker 4: Coco who's almost three, and little Mac.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, and today will be delving into how Woodsy
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  Speaker 2: and Sarah decided that IVF was the right path for
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  Speaker 2: them and the challenges they face and how they supported
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  Speaker 2: each other through.
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  Speaker 3: It all, and how his experience growing up has shaped
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  Speaker 3: his parenting style.
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  Speaker 2: Ash, shall we get into it, my friend? Absolutely, Welcome
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  Speaker 2: back to Three Doting Dads. I'm Mattie Jay, I'm Ash
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  Speaker 2: and I'm Aaron Woods. And this is a podcast that
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  Speaker 2: it's all about parenting. It's the good, it is the
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  Speaker 2: bad and the relatable. And we've found out recently that
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  Speaker 2: the only time any advice is given is on these
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  Speaker 2: episodes where we have a guest and.
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  Speaker 4: It's unintentional advice, usually Matt. So we'll see what we
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  Speaker 4: get today. We've got Aaron Woods, of course from a
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  Speaker 4: current still a current rugby league player, but also.
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  Speaker 1: A radio sensation.
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  Speaker 5: At the moment, I have been called a radio sensation.
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  Speaker 3: Now you just do my best.
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  Speaker 1: Just put it on your LinkedIn radio sensation.
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  Speaker 5: Do you mind? I can I call you Woodsy?
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  Speaker 1: Call me whatever you want?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, don't tempt him? Could be anything here?
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  Speaker 5: Would you want to look.
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  Speaker 3: At you now?
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  Speaker 2: And I don't mean to pash you where you go
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  Speaker 2: whilst you're in front of me, but you seem like
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  Speaker 2: a very much an alpha male.
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, I mean buster, that's why he went nuts.
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  Speaker 1: The dog with Nazis likes to contest me a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a spray from the dog sits I come in
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  Speaker 1: and that.
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  Speaker 2: That's a compliment to you as a person and people
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  Speaker 2: with beards and people who are like he doesn't get
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  Speaker 2: scared of me, but to yourself.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I have a beard is because we've got
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  Speaker 1: a baby face, so I like to cover it me too, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I got it's good.
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  Speaker 3: It's easy to spot your games.
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  Speaker 5: When you were a youngster, we always like a real bloke.
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  Speaker 3: He bloke, Yeah, I was so. I don't really know
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  Speaker 3: my dad.
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  Speaker 1: He was around probably until about four years old. He
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  Speaker 1: split my mum and then basically it was probably put
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  Speaker 1: up on my pop. And he's like that old school
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  Speaker 1: like you know, when you're eating dinner, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: put some sauce on my steak, and he goes, mate,
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  Speaker 1: don't ruin your steak, right, A good no steak, no sauce. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: So it'd just be your old school had a couple
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  Speaker 1: of armies.
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  Speaker 5: Still to this day, put any sauce in your.
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  Speaker 1: Steak, peper, Is that right? And the only there reason
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  Speaker 1: I eat food is for s.
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  Speaker 3: Just a vessel, you know, like you put your elbows
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  Speaker 3: on the table, he'd clip the.
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  Speaker 1: Back of here.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's that my That was that my ground. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so he was real, real old school was he was?
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  Speaker 3: He was he just like I said, was the army.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't. He was just a a house just had
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  Speaker 3: manners for one houser to have a menace.
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  Speaker 2: And then what was your mum like in the mix?
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  Speaker 2: If you're if you're getting like the rules from your.
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  Speaker 3: Par mum was? She's pretty hard. But put it this way,
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  Speaker 3: like if I got in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: At school, I'd have to tell her the truth, but
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  Speaker 1: she would defend me NonStop, like I could do no
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  Speaker 1: wrong in her eyes. But if I got home, she goes,
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  Speaker 1: did you really do that? And I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I did you get it back? And oh wow, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So she was pretty angry, not angry, but she was
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  Speaker 1: good fun. But she'll protect me in front of everyone.
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  Speaker 1: But then when I got home.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus, I was scared to get out of the car.
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  Speaker 5: Did you get much trouble at school?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 1: I was all right because I had my Annie's there
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  Speaker 1: as well, so I had like, which is my mum's sisters.
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  Speaker 1: So there they were probably what four years and six
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  Speaker 1: years older than me, so they were floating around.
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  Speaker 3: We went to like our public school, so there was
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  Speaker 3: any other dramas or anything else.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was that little softie. I'd go to Marni's
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  Speaker 1: and say, look, this guy's picking on me and right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I had one of mynnie's name is Jane. She was pretty.
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  Speaker 1: She was a rat back and your only child obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Well with so we've got a sister, but we've done
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  Speaker 1: different dads. Yeah yeah, yeah, so but I stay my
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  Speaker 1: full sister. We've got a ten year gap. Oh wow, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it was hard at the start because like say
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  Speaker 1: when I turned eighteen, she was eight. Yeah, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going out to get on the piss of the boys.
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  Speaker 3: Like an uncle. Yeah, it's sort of like.
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  Speaker 1: But then as she's got over eighteen and got a
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  Speaker 1: bit older, we've got a lot closer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's more like sort of like like you said,
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  Speaker 1: like you're a bit more of an uncle figure, like
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  Speaker 1: I'd help change the happiers, I'd help you move around,
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  Speaker 1: feeder and that. But then as she got older, we
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  Speaker 1: come closer and the bond become tighter. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I find that a lot of people who do have
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  Speaker 2: a relationship with a sibling with there's a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a gap. It's almost like they get that little taste
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  Speaker 2: of like being a parent. Yes, for you, did that
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  Speaker 2: plant the seed of you wanting to be a dad?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Did? I always wanted to have kids young and like,
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  Speaker 1: I want to have like six or seven kids. Do
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  Speaker 1: you still want to have? Yeah? I do. I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna say, honestly, after seeing like what my wife's gone through. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy with what we've got. If she doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to go again, as good as go.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think that came from wanting to have
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  Speaker 5: so many kids?
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  Speaker 1: Well, so my NN worked for family daycare, so we'd
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  Speaker 1: always have a lot of kids around home. And so
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  Speaker 1: when I was with my mum growing up, we lived
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  Speaker 1: with my end and my pop obviously Pop being the
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  Speaker 1: file figure, but then would always have like five six
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  Speaker 1: kids that suld look after around the house. So it
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  Speaker 1: was always like it was just mad, like there was
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  Speaker 1: always something happening, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes would have kids that range.
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  Speaker 1: From you know, anywhere from I think it was six
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  Speaker 1: months to three or four years old, just before they started,
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  Speaker 1: So it was like having a heap of siblings all
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  Speaker 1: the time.
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  Speaker 3: Like it was just like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like sometimes you'd have like some some would come
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  Speaker 1: three days, some would come two days.
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  Speaker 3: But there's always someone there.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like you could play foot in the park,
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  Speaker 1: you play lego, as you could draw.
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  Speaker 3: It was never a dull moment.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it helped you at all with your
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  Speaker 2: aunties when it came to dating and trying to understand
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  Speaker 2: the opposite sex? Like would you go to your unies
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  Speaker 2: and be like, hey, how do I attack this situation?
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  Speaker 1: No, you can't understand the opposite sex. I'm still trying
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  Speaker 1: to understand them now.
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  Speaker 3: Now, look it's it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a way I could create a relationship, be
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  Speaker 1: able to talk have conversation.
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  Speaker 3: They were different, like they were like they were like
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  Speaker 3: tom boys.
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  Speaker 1: But no, it didn't give you confidence in being able
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  Speaker 1: to speak to it to ladies or women. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was completely different like from what I was going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking to them too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, did you feel like a little brothers and they
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  Speaker 4: rough you up like a little brother all the time.
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  Speaker 4: I had a bigger sister, but she wasn't really rough,
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  Speaker 4: but all my cousins that were older and her age
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  Speaker 4: kind of treated me like I was a little brother.
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  Speaker 1: Roughed me up. Yeah, Like I was always the one that, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if there was something that had like say
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  Speaker 1: you had you tried to steal something, not still, but
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  Speaker 1: like trying to get something from mum's room or can
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  Speaker 1: you go get that.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like I was the guinea pig.
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  Speaker 1: Can you across the get the ball from next next
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  Speaker 1: door neighbor ar official land? Yeah, So you just put
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  Speaker 1: your hand up and at the time I thought, oh, geez,
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  Speaker 1: they really like hanging out with me. When you get older,
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  Speaker 1: you realize, yeah, you're.
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  Speaker 4: Just the like you said, just artificial land, absolutely just
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  Speaker 4: making you do the things that they just didn't want
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  Speaker 4: to do.
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  Speaker 6: Trouble.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I see that in my kids now, Like my older
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  Speaker 1: fella does that with the Lord. Yeah, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I just makes it just a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: smirk and go, I know what he's doing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember where you met Sarah you're now wife.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny, like we've always been in the same spots
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the time. So when I went to
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  Speaker 1: Samaria's Cathedral before I went to Holocross College, so she
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  Speaker 1: went to Sinurshla's College at Kingsgorove I think it is,
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  Speaker 1: and she.
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  Speaker 3: Used to catch the school bus all those blokes.
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  Speaker 1: So a couple of times I'd go to birthday parties
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  Speaker 1: with those boys because a lot of them live in
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  Speaker 1: the area, I mean at the moment, which is sort
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  Speaker 1: of like Saint George's area, and she'd been at parties
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  Speaker 1: there which I didn't even know, so like i'd probably
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  Speaker 1: spoke to her before, which I probably couldn't even remember.
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  Speaker 1: And then funny thing is like turn around. I think
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  Speaker 1: I was eighteen or nineteen. We were just going out
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  Speaker 1: and like I said, back with the Samari's boys. I'd
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  Speaker 1: catch up with them on the weekend in the city
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  Speaker 1: and then her girlfriends will be there and we just
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  Speaker 1: end up talking. And then the best thing in every event,
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  Speaker 1: it was Facebook did some of my best work on that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so made I hammed her for about a good nine months,
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  Speaker 1: and she gave me nothing, a like just give me
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  Speaker 1: a long court I should give you, like should give
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  Speaker 1: you a little bit, and then she'd pull back there
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  Speaker 1: to give you a little bit, like just enough to
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  Speaker 1: suck you in and then yeah, I was lucky enough
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  Speaker 1: I hung around.
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  Speaker 4: For those Yeah, I mean, especially like that sort of age,
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  Speaker 4: you kind of think, well, am I going to play
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  Speaker 4: the game for that long?
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  Speaker 3: To credit to your persistence? For sure?
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  Speaker 1: Keyboys.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people ask us, how do you know
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  Speaker 2: they're the one? How did you know Sarah was the
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  Speaker 2: one for you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, man, I didn't. I didn't know she was one.
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  Speaker 1: It was funny, like the first time I went to
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  Speaker 1: take her ound a day and I took it to
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  Speaker 1: like an ice cream joint and.
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  Speaker 3: Then nice, that's nice. It was down a crowd. I
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  Speaker 3: can't remember what it was called.
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  Speaker 1: But so I go knock on the door and then
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  Speaker 1: when the door opens, her brother entswered, and I had
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  Speaker 1: no idea who her brother was, and I actually played
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  Speaker 1: he was playing for Balmain.
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  Speaker 3: Reserved, and I was like what. I was like, because
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  Speaker 3: what are you doing here?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, just taking this Sarah
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  Speaker 1: is Sarah and he's like, yeah, that's my sister. Was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: We're just going to go get ice cream. Sure.
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  Speaker 3: I was like.
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  Speaker 1: That was like, yeah, pretty shop myself.
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  Speaker 3: First I was half radutled, and then yeah, we went
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  Speaker 3: ice cream.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing happened, but I think I was more worried about
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  Speaker 1: taking it back home and what he was say, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for sure?
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  Speaker 3: How many years before he got married? So that was
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  Speaker 3: probably nineteen got married at I think it was twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty four, Yeah, twenty four, twenty five?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, holy yeah? Is that? Yeah, that's pretty standard twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: We all didn't meet on the Bachelor. I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was definitely not nowhere near mature enough to be
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  Speaker 2: dropping a knee.
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  Speaker 3: I dropped the knee at twenty five. How hard is that?
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  Speaker 3: That's the worst thing ever?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually I want to ask you about that. How
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  Speaker 1: did that go down? Well? One wasn't good really because
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: I so the week leading up to it on the Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: we were playing in Canberra on the Monday night, so
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  Speaker 1: I'd have to leave Sunday to travel down there. And
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  Speaker 1: what I said to her, so I was just catched
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  Speaker 1: up with a mate in a certain area, which was Damoyne.
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  Speaker 3: Was actually gone in the city to pick up the ring.
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  Speaker 3: So sneaking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a porky pie, but it was okay. And then
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  Speaker 1: for some unknown reason, my missus was driving past five
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  Speaker 1: and gets a flat tire. Oh and you know, Jamo
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  Speaker 1: in five what's that five minutes away?
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  Speaker 3: She rings up.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, can you just you know, I'm just in five, doc,
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  Speaker 1: I was never forget. It was at the seven eleven
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  Speaker 1: on Great North Road, and she goes, can you just.
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  Speaker 3: Come help me? I need to change my tire? And man,
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  Speaker 3: I'm in the city. I said it, I said, and
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  Speaker 3: the like. So she's got the ships and she's like
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  Speaker 3: just hung up. You know, she reckons she made her
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  Speaker 3: biggest lie. I reckon her dad went and helped her out.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, she said, did she say she changed herself?
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  Speaker 1: Comes home that night, doesn't say a word to me,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm pumped, my how good is this? Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: bout to propose, like not this week but next week.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm like super excited, got the ring, tucked it
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  Speaker 1: in the in the closet, and she's given me nothing,
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  Speaker 1: man like, she didn't say a word to me.
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  Speaker 3: And then like by the probably that was probably about
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  Speaker 3: what four or.
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  Speaker 1: Five and THEO and about eight or nine, she's just
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  Speaker 1: given me an absolute god fool, like just sprayed me.
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  Speaker 3: You could helped me.
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  Speaker 5: I was picking up the fucking name.
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  Speaker 1: I just stuck solo, stuck solid. So we played against
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: Cameerra come back. She's still off me all week and
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: we play Newcastle at Cameltown and we're supposed to go
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: back to an alf match function after the game. I
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: hurt my knee during the game, so I'm in a
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  Speaker 1: freaking knee brace at the end of it walking around
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  Speaker 1: and then.
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  Speaker 2: Terrible conditions to drop an egg disgusting, and then like so.
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  Speaker 1: All I'm thinking is like, I'm so nervous because I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to drop the nee tonight. It's so nervous. Taken
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  Speaker 1: to a favorite restaurant in like we used to always
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  Speaker 1: go to. It was called Customola, and we go to
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  Speaker 1: the art match function. She never eats. She starts fucking
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  Speaker 1: eating at this one, and I was like, man, what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing, Like we're going to dinner, we booked
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  Speaker 1: the table in a restaurant, blah blah blah, and she's like,
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  Speaker 1: because she's still off me, She's like whatever, blah b
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  Speaker 1: I still kept it.
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  Speaker 3: So I picked her up, so let's go.
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  Speaker 1: We go and get in the car, drive home and
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  Speaker 1: then we get home because it's from where we live
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  Speaker 1: at Kemeltown to Legano is probably about half an hour.
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  Speaker 1: She sits down and she starts like, looks like she's
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  Speaker 1: settling in. Was like, mate, yeah, are we going to go?
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  Speaker 1: Because it was only a two or two o'clock game
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  Speaker 1: in the arbow and she's like, no, I'm not very
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  Speaker 1: feeling pretty tight. I've told him we're going for dinner,
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And then we go to dinner. I've
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  Speaker 1: got the ring tuck in my pants because like she's
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  Speaker 1: offer me one place she ain't gonna touch it down there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah done.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's probably the worst I've ever made it
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  Speaker 1: like it was cold, half cold to feed it was
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  Speaker 1: rang and then like I'm just thinking how we're going
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  Speaker 1: to do this?
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  Speaker 5: Were you thinking I'm postpone now?
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: But once you see my head, I'm just I'm not
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: a bloke that just pushes back. I want to get
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: it done otherwise I'll be sweating up shoot himself for
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: next week. So I take it to ice cream shop
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: up the road by it's like one of your favorite.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: Started at ice cream, come back to ice exactly exactly.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: And then we brought a house.
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: You like her, So I was like, why do we
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: go check out our house? And like she goes, no,
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: you got a knee base. We can't walk, what's the point.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: So we end up walking past. And then we walked
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: past the house and go, oh, you're happy you see
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: your house? Do you want to move on now? Like
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: we go so, and as we go back that next
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: door next door, Nate opens his door. I'm like, I
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: can't go down now, I've got to wait for this judge.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: Pretend on.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: We needs a little bit sore, blah blah blah. And
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: she's like, hurry up, mate, you're making a gigg of yourself.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: And I just went down one days. I mate, we married.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: And then she's like, what the hell, like she's so rattling,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: and she said yes.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: And then I told her the whole what happened a
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: week before where I was, and she goes, you're a
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: fucking idiot, like she.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Had told me. I don't want to ruin this.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: I've been off you all week. And I was like, well,
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: it's part of the surprise, isn't it.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: It's hard for off you now. I mean, it's the
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: rest is history. I suppose a couple of kids.
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: Kids where you like, settle in for six kids.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: I love that sparts up to her, we go how did.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: That conversation come about, like when you're going to start
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: trying to start your brood.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: So so Sarah wanted to have a house first.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to know that we've got something.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: And then she always wanted to be married first, so
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: we obviously got married.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: It was funny story.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I got married on the Friday and on Monday I
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: was on a kangaroo tour, so I was away for
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: seven weeks. Oh right, straight to England.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: She obviously come over the back end, so she came
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: over for the last week, and then we obviously went
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: around Europe.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Wasn't the best time to go around Europe because it
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: was in November.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, she wanted to see the Greek islands.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: And literally I went.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: I think I went in October and it was cold.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I remember walking in Switzerland somewhere and like we're walking
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: our bags and then it looked like it was a
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: puddle and I went to walk over it and almost
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: slip because it was ice. I couldn't believe it.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: So but then on that we so I just spoke
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: and she was like, she's keen, she's ready, and I
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: was always excited. So it was just up to hers
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: because she had a few problems on the inside. I
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: think it was like a little bit in endometrosis and
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: something else. I can't remember exactly what it was. So
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: we tried for like two years and just just naturally
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: actually try and yeah, packs our best on the workbench,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: no success. You know, it's like, what day of the
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: month is it. It's oh, yeah, the sixteenth or eighteenth.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: And did you in your mind did you think this
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: will take like a month?
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: There will be two months.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: At the start, I was like, oh, how cool we're
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: going to start. China was like mate, you know, it
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: happened over night. Like you know, you just sort of
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: think you never really like, you don't hear when you're
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: not in the situation of telling people you're having kids,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: you don't think about all the like dramas that goes
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: with it, like and how many people try so hard,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: how many people don't like sort of get, you know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to have kids.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: So and when we start to go through it.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Was like, oh, wow, this is this is actually hard.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: And you know there'll be times where should get a period,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get a period, and then she's go, I think
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: it might be.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: And then come and then like you know, yeah, er emotional,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: this is it. No, it's not, this is it, No,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: it's not.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: And then her obstetrician, who's like, she's outstanding, it's one
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: of the best laders we ever met. She's just like,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: why don't you just try IVF. So we end up
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: doing IVF.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: I was the two year marter mark.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, about two years so, and it was funny, like
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I just changed club from Tigers to Bulldogs and I
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: was having a horrid time, Like footy was terrible, Like
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: like you know, people give it to me everywhere medias
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: was just copying it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: But it's what comes with that.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: You know, you become a big game player, you signed
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: a good contract. You know, you got to play well,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't playing well and then end up getting
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: oportunity to go to Kernella. So I signed a four
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: you do it at the Dogs and then they had
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: some salary cap dramas and then luck enough to have
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: an opportunity and that I got out halfway through that
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: year and they went to Kronella And as soon as
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: like immediately as I walked into Cana.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: It was like I just felt he was happy. Yeah,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I wasn't happy to do.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it must have been a big relief. I mean,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: I think I recall it was it was just for
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: the team. For yourself, nothing was gone right. I mean
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: they're in the media too. There was so much going on,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: and then yeah, you it must have been a big
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: relief to go somewhere where it's like, Okay, I feel
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: like I've got a fresh start. Yep, especially with the
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: pressure you've got of like trying to start a family
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: and it's not happening.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing, like people will just see you
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: for that eighty minutes every week, Like I don't know
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: what you go through throughout the week, like.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: If your missus had a miscarriage.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: You know, what if you broke up with someone or whatnot.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was pretty hard off the field.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: There was a couple of times like I just didn't
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: go home, like there's my missus and I was just
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: sitting in the park. I'm like, what am I doing myself?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Like this is torture. And then like I said that,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it was like literally I went to Kana, so I
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: went to Bulldogs training in the morning. My manager Ringing goes,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: we've got the release, so straight from Bulldogs training, had
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: to go to a manag's office get the It was
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: like a piece of paper that you're leaving Bulldogs, take
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it back to the Bulldogs then to sign it, and
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: then went straight to Krana that quick, that day, that quick,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that quick, and then it was just done, like and
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: it was like what a weight off the shoulders. And
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the thing was that I had a lot of blokes
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that paid rep footy with so it was like it
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: was like I was already.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Been for a long time. Did any club like offer
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: to provide you any like mental support?
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: You they always do, but you know when you're young.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I was only twenty five, twenty six this time, I
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: think I'm thinking invincible. Who does that stuff? Yeah, I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: mean like he's like, yeah, not talk about it. I
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: didn't really talk about to my mates, to be honest,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: with only a couple of clasemtes I went to school
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: with day and that one's knew the I was struggling. Yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like it's sort of like yeah, like
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the clubs were good, Like I'm not going to buy
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: your clubs because they've got like they've got a counselor
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: then yeah, they've got people everywhere and they always come
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to you like, how you been going, how's your own
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: good to hear.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we heard that from Maxico and we had and
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: he was talking about it a lot with the young
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: players coming through and that there is support for them
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: that like these days, which is really good to hear
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: when your obstitution has said one that you try. Yeah,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: what was your.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Next for me?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: It was like as long as it makes Sarah happy, like,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: as long as she's into it, like I'll back one
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: hundred percent, yeah you know, and so.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she was keen.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: So we did with IV of Australia, which is I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: think they were at Alexandria.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Yep, are there only a new building?
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Do you want not to sound really ignorant here?
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Ask anything? Man?
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: We like we're that annoying couple where we kind of
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: first one was an accident, the second one happened pretty quick.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: So then if you're trying for two years, do you then,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: like do you get your eggs tested or your sperm test?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I got sperm tested.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Like that's the hardest thing man, because you're like you
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: do it, Like I said, you can either do it
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: at home or you go to do it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I did in there.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But then there's like a brown chair, like how many
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: blokes out of that chance? I sat down on that thing,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: but you stood I stood up, and they had like
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: this old.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: TV was not using that TV was put your leg
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: up on. And then it's funny.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: The lady that gives you the she gives you like
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a jar, and You're like, she knows what I'm going
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to get about it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: She probably she probably.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I did get the good luck, but she was so
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: straight faced, like didn't give me any n behind it. Yeah,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And I was like yeah, sweet. And then the good
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: thing was I don't have to give the jar back
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to her. You got to take it back to this
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: other room and give it to them to a stranger.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: You feel like a urine test but handed back.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: And the worst thing is it's like six ladies just sitting.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: There in the waiting line and then they goe Aaron.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: They were watching me. Was like, I was just like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: please don't make it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I'll be rattled. So you get that done because they
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: just wanted to test me first. That's the first thing
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you gotta do.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: And I would feel like that's a test of my.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: As strong as my manho I wonder how many guys
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: go in and come out and go.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Couldn't do it. Wait, I've heard of a couple of
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: guys that Ben had to get like hormones put into
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: them and they still got nothing.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Oh my god. It's similar like when you have a sax.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Maybe I've had there, like you to come back and
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: get a test. I still haven't been back. I'm still
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: afraid to wanking around it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: But then you get the coll probably a couple of
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: days later, and then like talk about this rollercoaster, right,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: so then they go, yeah, sperm's perfect, like it's sweet.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Then miss like, oh, so it's definitely me. I'm like, yeah, mad,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: and then my miss is like so it's me. Oh fuck, yeah,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: how do you deal with that?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: You know, it's all right, Like we're here to help
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: each other out, like you know, you know, it is
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: what it is, like, there's not much we can do
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: about it how we were born, but we're going to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: try avenue to try a kid like it's it might
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: not be easy, but you know, I said, you're lucky.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: You got it accidentally. Some people have to try even
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: harder than what we have to try. So we go
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and do the the Yeah, that's the hard process. Man, Like,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: all right, my missus, so we were busted. Were very
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: lucky we got him first go. But the process to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: get the eggs out and that, that's like, so I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: had to inject the missus sort of.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Like an EpiPen.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And you've got to you speak to your obstecution how
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: much meals you put in, and then like you've got
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to twist it's a bit more, and then you put it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: It's got to do it for from the belly button
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: to the pelvis. Oh wow, yeah, you just got to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the first couple. I've never done a needle before. Boys,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you had to do it. So I helped her, like, yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I'm here to help her. Yeah, And I didn't put
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it hard enough, so I had to kneedle her again.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I was nervous to doing it. I was like,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: this is like shake because you're right. Yeah, I'm sweet.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I've got no problem with needles. But someone else completely different.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Boys, how often do you have to do that?
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: She had to do it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I think it was for like twenty something days and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: then the last every yeah, every by the end of it, sir,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: spinning on your hand.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: You know, it's fine.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: So you have to do like we did it at
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: eight thirty nine o'clock at night for the first one,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and then we had footy games. So halftime with our games,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: my missles would go to the toilet and have to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: inject herself. Oh, no one knew, Like, we didn't tell
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: anyone were doing idea. So we didn't tell no one,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: like it was just between us two.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Why is that? She just wanted to keep it because.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: She thought if she told it, like we love her mother,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Mum's the best ever, but that'd always be like enough
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: time my mom, They'd be like, oh, how are you going?
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Like, we just didn't want that extra like pressure. Yeah,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and it has it all going there, expectations.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we just kept it to ourselves and then yeah,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: so she got halftime or whatever time nine o'clock, you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: even playing in the games audio toilet and boom inject herself.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, she did that for twenty or thirty days
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: and then the last one. It's got a trigger shot needle.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: It's like a big needle. But I did say that again. Boys,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I ship myself and I put it in, but then
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't squeeze enough out and I pulled it out.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: They're still a little bit left in my god, the
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: poor thing.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: And you look at like her belly from like the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: pelvis to the but it's just like little bruises everywhere. Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Man, yeah, she's so hard for them, man, like it sucks.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: So after twenty seven days of that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: So they got to get blood tests.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So they get a certain amount of blood tests and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: then they got to get knocked out. So you take
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: it to the IV of Australia. It's just like day surgery.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And then they pulled the eggs out.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you got to do another went into
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a jar again.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: So they leave, they let the eggs sit overnight with
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the sperm and see how many take into the eggs.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Easy the second time round in the jar easier.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Much easier.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Sitting on that area.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so the second one, that's probably like because
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: when you wake up from surgery, you've got a number
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: on you, so that's how many eggs they've taken out
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of you. And if you got a high number, it's
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: not necessarily the best thing because sometimes when you leave
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the eggs over night, they will die. So we got thirteen,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So we had thirteen eggs and I think eight took
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the overnight, so we're very lucky.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: That's good. That's some people only get one egg. Wow. Yeah,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: so yeah, we were very lucky.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: So if you've got eight, that means you've got like
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: eight goes.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: To Yeah, so you know how everyone goes, Oh, every
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: time you do I vfg's that'll be expensive. So it's
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: not as expensive if you get a certain amount of
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: eggs out. So because we've got eight, we don't have
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to go through that whole cycle again where she's got
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to get knocked out and take more eggs out. All
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you've got to really do is I think just the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: needles on the from the pelvis to the thing, just
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to get the hormones flown.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: And then what's the process. Then if she does, she
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: gets an egg put back inside her.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yep, how do you know when that's so you've got
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: to wait.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Obviously, they you know, they it's funny the doctors know
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: which is the stronger ones, so they put I don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: know how they know, but yeah, so you go back.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's in a week's time. And then they
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: they even shown you like we got to see on
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the screen like just a little like a tiny little blob. Yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it was crazy. I continue the photos. My missus has
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: got it at home and they put it in here.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And then you've just got to keep getting blood tests.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's every second day now. And then obviously
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: you take a pregnancy test you're pregnant, but then you
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: gotta wait till the was it seven weeks or the
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: twelve weeks? Yeah, there's a big one of seven weeks
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you got to do. Yeah, you actually got to go
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: all the time, and it's really so it's a long process.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, so then you get obviously I think
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the twelve weeks you can start telling people. Yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: So for yourself, when did you knowing that it's you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of potential issues, you're not in the clear.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: When did you allow yourself to enjoy the thought of
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: being a potential dad.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Not until I sort of seen her get bigger, Yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: because it's sort of like this is a g up,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Like we've been through a long proces. It's probably about
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: two and a half three years now. We're just thinking like, wow,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: is this really happening. But then like when we got
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you could notice her hormones and changes. So my wife
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: every time she's been pregnant, sick every day, yeah right,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: worse pregnancies, man, worse pregnant vomits, and then every time
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: she eats, she vomited up, so she'd be on like
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: an iron iron infusion last week.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So it's a torture process.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Boys. But we sort of got to the twelve week
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: mark and then yeah, we were lucky enough. We told
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: her parents and my mum and it was just like, mate,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Still wasn't didn't sink until about probably the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: third trimester.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's buster successful. And your second one
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: was IVF as well.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, the second one was Coco. She was IVF. She
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: was six go, sixth go.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, So I was I was talking to see
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: her on the way and he I was like, just
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: so I get some like remember how two hundred and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: seventy two days needling her? Oh yeah yeah, and then
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: like you can imagine so like that's just hormones just
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: go on every which angle.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: You could imagine. That's crazy.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: One day I was like, say, I was on that
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: side of the table, she was over here. She chipped over.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: She looked at me like it was my fault. You
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: go like see obstritionian once a week check on the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: baby going good, seven week no heartbeat, so we sort
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: of know what that means and don't yet. This is
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: during COVID man, so only one person go in. So
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: buses are the in laws. So we had to make
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: on a spot. You've got to cure itte straight away
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: because said like, you can wait another week, but you
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: know all the tests with darn it's no good. Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: So speaking of the roller coaster or back down the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: bottom again? Boys, so we've been at high you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I thought we're pregnant again. Back down the bottom, Yeah,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: with Coco on the Yeah, after that one we tried again,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: like still got three left in there, so we know
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and then we've got it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you spoke.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: About with your footy when yet the pressure was on
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: your shoulders and you're reluctant to reach out and get
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: help and talk about the situation with the incident where
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: you don't have the heartbeat?
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Do you have that same approach? Do you want to
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: talk to people about it or is it just something
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: that you and Sarah discover?
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: The hard thing about that one?
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Right, it is a funny story, like, so we so
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that was on a Thursday, and then on the Friday,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I like to play against Newcastle. Fuck and this was
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: COVID year, so you were only allowed to travel that Friday,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: so you normally would stay overnight. So we'll do a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: cape on Thursday and Cranella drive up, stay out there,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah. But this one was hard
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: because we were strapping the ship, getting the strap in
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the sheds and then one of my boys, surely you're
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: gonna have kids again, And the day before we just
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: had a cure out but like so innocent, I didn't
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and I never spoke about it, and I was just like, noah, no,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you know, probably soon hopefully, you know, you never know.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I told miss and she goes, oh, yes, it's not
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: his fault, like but yeah, like just.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: You know, And I told him later on down the track,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: like after we did have the second he says, man,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I feel so did you just make him real?
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Feel real? It was chaos. The boy he was rat on.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: He would like insane that people just don't know what
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you go through outside, and like, because we're going through either.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: We didn't even tell our parents again for the second time.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So when I did drop my missus to for the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: curate on that Thursday. No one was allowed in hospital,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: so only it was only when the only the patient
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: was aloud in must be so hard. Yeah, So I
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: dropped her in eight and they said that ring me
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: at three B three comes around, no answer, four, no
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: answer five.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: And I was, what the hell's going on? He ship?
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: So about five point thirty six I get a call
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: she's ready to pick up. Oh my god, there would
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: be nice to time with the surgery was done and.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah three hours You're just like, fuck, what's going on?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: So I wasn't Eve allowed to take a reception like
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: in and out?
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was such It must have been such a
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: hard time for so like for so many people through
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: the same thing, especially going through that and having on
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: the sixth go like having to see doctors on her
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: own and it must have been must have been so
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: stressful for her.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: The worst part about it boys women did have coco.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: So that was when so we're playing on the Saturday
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: or Sunday against the Warriors come off at half time.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: We didn't know it was a playing group but has
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: been shifted to Brisbane.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Oh that's right. Moms is due in two weeks the bubble,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: the bubble.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: So she's on the phone making all the calls to
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the obstetrician like what's going on, Like he's got to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: go on Wednesday or Thursday?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Can we have it beforehand?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: And they're like yeah, just his small wife had to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: go in that night get a couple of like steroid
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: needles for the.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Baby, just for the lungs. Yeah, so we're lucky.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I remember I end up ringing Peter Blandy's up and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I was like pete mate, like because people, he's the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: big NRL, so's you need something done?
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: You're in mister people and his.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Can we get? Isn't it's a few things?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I like that good luck.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: So there was flights for the NRL on the Wednesday,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: so all the players going up and if you missed
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that flight, you have to do two weeks quarantine. Yeah,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: so I was stressing, was like what the hell do
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I do? So I ring him and he goes, yeah, mate,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: no problem, I'll get I'll get back to your literally
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: within five minutes. He goes, mate, when is the baby?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm we were able to have it
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, so we're getting induced Tuesday night. We're going
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to have it Wednesday. He goes, sweet, I've got a
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: flight for your Thursday. And I was like, what about
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: my missus, Like, she's got a He goes, We'll get
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: her on the flight with the families, and you can
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: bring her parents as well, so she can get help
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: because we obviously got a two year old.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, so that was really lucky.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: He was, Yeah, like them being that flexible for for
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: players welfare, he was unbelievable.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: And like, you know what, We're going to move heaven
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: and on earth for you so that we can make
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: it work.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: I heard with Coco's birth you were quite involved.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: But all of all three yeah, Like so mate, I
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: was in there holding the legs up. What do you
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: mean up for missus?
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: She had natural birth, so I've got like one leg up,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the other leg at home, inspit in.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: The hospital, in the hospital.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: But Hans, hang on, you're talking about making you feel queasy,
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, you.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Like, just giving the needle made me feel queasy. He's
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: in the delirio doing tackling practice.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: All three babies. I said the same thing with Missus.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: She was off a heavy so that they g you
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: want to pull the baby out? I was like, yeah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I'd love to. I hope I've got better hands. I
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: had a train this morning, quick offload.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I couldn't.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: I couldn't look down there. It was just quite as
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: full on.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: It's different but part life boys. I was just like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: I honestly couldn't. I went in a planned c section. Okay,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I fainted during the epi dural. What about the needle.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't even see the needle I was. I was
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: not even looking at the needle.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I was looking at my wife and I just went,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that's so bad with my legs up.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: But when they've got the needle, they're unbelievable, like, oh,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: doctors can do it. Oh it's wild.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: With our first April went into labor and she was like,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: oh my god, like it was so painful epidural and she.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Was like, oh, I was like, fuck he was. When
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: he was coming out, he was sort of half stuckbuster.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: So he used like a plunger on his head. Yeah,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: he came out like a conead. So you helped deliver
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: all three three yep, that is whild The last one
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: was pretty. The last one was pretty like the umbilical
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: cord was like a backpack tucked around his arms and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: look around his neck. I was like shooting myself and
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the doctor's like, nah, so it's not tied around the neck.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I was like wow, like that that was
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a bit confronting.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Did you only know that once barber come out?
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, once it come out?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so once it come out, and was like, oh,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: we're going to cut this cord quickly, and I was
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: like okay, sweet and then yeah, then they.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Called and was your third child? IVF as well? It
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: is natural, unbelievable, unbelievable.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: What's the year difference between the middle of Baal two? Like,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: so Busses turning four in June, turning five in June,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Coco three in July, and Mac was January, right, yeah,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: so January sixth or something of that.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Your third one you sort of forget.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Not a bad thing, but but honestly, it's yeah, they're
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: all close in age, mate, Like I said, holmes Ko like, yeah,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: for sure, it's just different.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: It's pretty It's pretty wild childbirth because not only you
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: know you're becoming a parent for the first time or
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: second time, but then also what you see your partner mate,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: go through How did that change how you saw Sarah?
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I think instantly, like we become a lot more closer,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: not that we weren't close already, but you've been through
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: that together and like all you've got you guys know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: like you've seen it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: You've seen what your wife have to do. Like it's
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: not just given birth, it's the whole process.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: And then and then afterwards as well, like they just become.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Like they become mums like that a overnight's so good.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Like my wife is unbelievable. I love him and she's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: all my material and radio deep down, like mate, she's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: a machine. Oh yeah, she's the best ever. Like she's
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: got four kids of the house me as well, Like
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: she's she's a machine what she's able to do. Like
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: funny story about so, like I said, when they first
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: become mum, they've got the best for you. They So
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: her brother comes in, the one that answered the door.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: When I he's like, he's like my best mate. Now
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: we're we're so tight, and he's looking at a bust.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: He looks a bit like purple. So when his best
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: friend her boobs because they get bigger with the milk
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: or the I think it's click. What's the stuff colostrum? Yeah,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: her boob covered his nose as well, so he was
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: he wasn't breathing.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: He wasn't breathing like.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: A breasting.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: It was like you look at the babies, man, I
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: don't think baby is not with that color. Brother shouldn't
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: be looking down there just as sick puppy. I want
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: to talk.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: About the names of your kids because they are a
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: bit unique, weird.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Coco, Mark Buster. How did you come up with it?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: So bust?
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I've always loved it, you know. It's funny walking here today,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: dogs together, and my wife she's always in to me, like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: why would you name our son Buster? It's a dog's name,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to tell her tonight. But it
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: would be easy to control him. But honestly, I just
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like different things. Yeah, I'm just whatever I think. Like
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get my own dog and I was
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: going to call it Buster, but then I was like, no, I.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Just like Buster, so's a cool name.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: It's not that I would I would definitely associated with
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: a dog's name, but that doesn't matter.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Like you're like, there's so many names out there. He's
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a buster, he's a pain.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: The ass. He's a ball of energy. Everyone knows, like, yeah,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: it's Buster.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: So we gave him middle names or like Buster Bruce,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: So Bruce Buster Bruce, Solid b b W.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that the meaning of the Bruce is really
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: really cool.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: So Sarah's father, it's his middle name, and it's Sarah's
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: mom's dad's name.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so I like that. Yeah, and then it
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: was nice.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: It was a good touch for the family once they
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: come in and we told them the name, because no
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: one knew what we're going to call them?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: What about what about Coco?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And the funny thing about with the kids, we didn't
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: know what we're having, so they're all surprises, so we
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: weren't sure co Go is missus really But then like,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: you know what the worst thing is, do you think
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: about this lady's just had a matidal.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Or you know this person you know?
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, my wife come with that one. Sarah
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: came with that Coco ray. I don't know where she's
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: got the ray from, but that's sold as well. Yeah, Wood,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that's a fault. But the worst thing is she comes
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: up to me and she goes, what do you think
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: with this Coco bark? I don't care as long as
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you're happy.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: I'm happy. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Someone who has come from a family with the most
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: beige names. We've got my family Adam, Tom case Best,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I like, I like a bit of spicy.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: So when we had Mac, I wanted to call him
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Bob Moss. That's a normal name. You can't do that.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Mac and a c K and a c K and
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: any particular reason. Missus liked it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's gone through that ten month cycleman. So
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: yeahs Mac Aaron maca yeah. Yeah. And the funny is
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I've got like Tatto the kids name. It's now going
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: to get freaking tattle name. Yeah, so you don't forget
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I've already got Woods.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, double way.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: One thing you said before is that before you had kids,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: you always hated Father's Day.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, why was that? I just it wasn't really a day.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: That's sort of like I want to bring up like
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: where's my dad? If that makes sense?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Like, and I was always like not dirty, but I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: was just like, man, I never like I see like
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: not I'm dirty, but I see my mates with their dad,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Like some of my best mates their their dads are
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: their best mates. Like ye see how close they are
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: with them and you know, a footy, Like first person
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I go to it was obviously my wife or my mum,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you know, and now it's my kids. So like I
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: never got to have that father figure. I never got
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to go home and talked about like, oh, like you know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: playing footy, and I just saw really my mom and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: she'd be working all the time.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: So I was like just by myself a lot. So
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: it was just sort of not that I was dirty,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: but I'll just be like, you know, probably more upset.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't really have my dad around, and then I
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: had my sister's dad, stepdad. He needed a good job
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: for a long period of time. But it's not your
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: real dad, you know what I mean. Like, and then
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I always think, now I watch my like now that
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I've had kids, like how could you walk out on
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: your kid at four years old?
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, that's that's crazy, isn't.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: But what I've learned is I've learned a lot of
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: things and what not to do. So it's been a
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: really good lesson. And then like, mate, may I love
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: going home to the kids, like it's my first thing.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Is like the thing I find hard at the moment
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: is like my time because I go to footy sometimes
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a quarter six in the morning and I wake it
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: under seven thirty at night. Yeah, it's just because you
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: go to radio and all that afterwards, or if you're
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: doing some Fox stuff. Yeah, they there at school. You
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: got to within your time with them. It's so hard
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to space all that and then like there's time I'll
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: get out at seventh day, I'm cooked and all they
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: want to do is just muck around. They've been waiting
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: all day for it, and then my missus wants to
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: get to the gym, will do something. So you've got
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to learn to not to be selfish, Like, you know
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: these kids, you're their idol, you know, And that's what
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I missed as a kid, Like I never had that.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: So like little things, a lot of lessons that have
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: been really cool for me.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Do you think then, like when you're taking I know
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I've seen some footage of Buster, your first child playing footy.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: So are you parenting in a way which you're you're
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: giving your child what you never had?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, Like it's funny at games, he's just started
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: playing footy. I'm really quiet, like I won't say nothing.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Because I don't want to be that one parent, you
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: know that's sort of here he is and my missus
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: is the one now going come on. My son started
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: playing union now and I'm like, but then when we
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: get home, he like talks about it a lot, and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like I just tried to like not I don't want
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: to like he's five years often five. I don't want
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to be saying you need to tackle this, Betty. Yeah
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: you have fun today, like maybe you were awesome. And
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I said to one missus actually, like so it was funny.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I was on the way to radio and I just
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: missus up to mate, I was so happy today, like
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: just so proud of me young bloke, Like he was
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: out there having fun, you know, and like that's all
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I want to see him do, and you know, me
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to be able to be there. And then as soon
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: as you come off the field, he sprinted straight to me, Dad,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: You see this, Dad, You see that.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I never had that.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: So I was like, but I felt like that was
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: just like a I could die right now, Like you know,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is so complete moment. This is what
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: being a dad's all about. And that's like things I
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: didn't get when I was a kid. So little moments
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: like that, you sort of not that I make a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: big deal of them, but I'm like, oh, this is
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: really cool.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: A lot of people they message us on Instagram and
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: they say, my partner didn't have a dad. He's worried
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: how he's going to parent. But I think it's such
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: a nice example. They can go either way. Oh yeah,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: but you know, because you think you're you're behave in
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: a way that you were taught. But it's funny, like
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: you're just doing well you never had that's it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then like I'll tell you want to think,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: But before I had buster, I matter like anxiety attack
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: a yeah, like two nights before because I was like, man,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I've got to look after a kid now, Like it's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: just a changing life. It's not about you anymore. It's
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: about it's about it's about yeah, like you want to
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: be there, like like I don't be one of those dads.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: It doesn't change nappies, it doesn't feed you know, a
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: little fellow, or you always shower and NonStop. So it's
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: like your whole like mindset just changes.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I know. It's that that moment letting out be like
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: for that nine months you kind of think it's happening. Yes,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: but you always have those little moments you're like, fuck,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: this is surreal.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Even now you've got three Some days you're like you
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: might be driving to the office or driving the radio,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: driving the footy training and you're like, oh shit, holy shit.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Mate, And me and Sir always say, like we've got
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: three kids, like this is like like it is chaos,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: but it is the best chaos we've ever had. Yeah,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't have any other one. Like, we've got some
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: mates that like have been trying and they're going through
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: some you know, because we are very open about the
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: IVF Like if anyone even anyone listening and you want
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to reach out, I'll talk to anyone about it. Yeah,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: just try to help someone. We've helped probably about four
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: or five people we know and they've had kids now,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: you know. And that was just for speaking about it,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you know, Like he said with the footy, I wouldn't
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: talk about my issues because I thought it was a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: bit a bit soft.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Now I just talked about everything. I couldn't care less.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: You know what I reckon will be a perfect job
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: for you down the track, being an obstetrician.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: You mentioned chaos before, and you've mentioned to me you've
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: got Coco who loves Coco loves the tantrum.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Oh mate, So like the boys are outstanding, but like
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: buses at an age, where can go listen?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Man, just shut up and let's just be quiet.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Coco, she's a three, right three. She was like her
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: own person. For example, last night, literally we're doing dinner.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: So my wife Sarah makes beautiful dinners for these kids,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: like forget that. When I was a kid, I'll be like,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: this is a grouse had like mad pasta and chicken,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and then Coco is like she just picks it up
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: with a spoon and yuk dad.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I'm it's beautiful.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I had something. It's really nice. And she goes, yuck,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: dad and puts it on the ground and wait, do that,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Like please don't do that. She looks at me and
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: she goes and does it real slow and.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Then he drops it and I'm like and.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, mate, like if that's busted, I'm going off
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: my head. Oh yeah, she has got me wrapped around
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: her finger and it just kills me and I go, Sarah,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you're up, you're up.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get this girl. Just the blank stare
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: when they're doing it too.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Like my my daughter's coming up to three, and you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: if it was Oscar, same thing, I'd be stuck into him.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: But with her, she'll be like, throw the playoff the table.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: And then she's found these things and my watch. Sarah
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: will tell her something and she will roll her eyes
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: and like, no, one doesn't happen. So I'm like, and Sarah,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: did you see that? And I was like, I didn't
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: see it. I'm just laughing. It's always good and it's
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: not me back to the tantrums.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: So we've taken to the movies one day at Miranda Westfields,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and then Sarah wanted to let's just a little bit
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: of shopping afterwards. And then, like you kids, like, they
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: see one thing in the eye and they want and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, we'll get at the end. No what now, dad, Yeah,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay strong here, stay strong, and then if
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: you're good, we'll get it at the end. And they
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: literally we walk off and then I turn back. She's
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: on the ground screaming, crying. So I just picked her
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: up by hand and just grabbed it and we walked
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: straight out to see her. We've got no gun chopping,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: We're going like that would she goes, sorry, daddy, and
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: she's just sweet. This is back normal for me.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: She's she's a she's a throw herself on the ground
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: sort of girl mate, throw things at you mate, like
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: just and so like Buster is a big softy like
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: he's and the thing we bust you is he's a
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: big kid, like obviously me being tall, he's a lot tall.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: He's got real thick hair. So everyone's like, oh, what's
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: is he a lot older than five? Like they always
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: think he's like seven even when he was younger. They
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: thought he was like five when he was two because
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: he could move around, but he couldn't really speak as
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: well because he's only two.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: But so like she will just whack him, and he's like, dad,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: she whacked me. And I'm like, she shouldn't be doing this.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: You're bigger. Yeah you can't.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: No, he didn't go even when you're as angry as
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: you possible. No, you just tell her no coco and
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: he goes, dad, I went, no cocoa, and.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: She slapped me again.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: But he does these things now, like they'll be run
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: around and he'll just ankle tap her from behind, And
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, why do you do that, like
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the house is nice and quiet, just the center and
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I just and then the we call her a shenny.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but that's her nickname in the house.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: My missus called it a shenny. So and the Shenny
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: just gets set off and it's just a long night
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: after that with Buster. Are you his favorite footy player? No?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Who is it?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: That's a winger of all people. So that come from
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the COVID year. So so when we did have cocoa,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I had to leave the next day fly away. Then
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: my wife did two weeks quarantine. I think it was
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: a week later she did. Still to this day she
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: goes if she knew her herd it was going to be,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: she would never came because that was when remember I
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: think James Roberts had the smoke. They had to lock
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: up the windows. She had two kids and a two
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: parents in one room. Wow, so she's taken a few
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: of the teams Sarah. So we're saying that an overtoll
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Brisbane South Bank, which was really good, like it was
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: an unreal spot. But the hard thing was so it
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: was like it was myself, Sarah and two kids just
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: in a normal hotel room like one bed, one shower.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: That was it.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: We weren't able to get because she could only bring up.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: One bag for the plane, so we basically all Coco's
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: baby closed were still home, so we would just.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Vacuum bag and use it for Mac now.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: But it was hard and then we were staying with
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: so in that hotel was sharks, Dragons, tigers and the referees.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Got the worst class and so the boys would like
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: that would grab a buster some days. Can we take
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: it part?
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gay for gold. But my dad get him chocolate milkshakes.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I'd get him chips like every day. And you know
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: it's like kids made.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: They can't pooh properly understand, like they get constipated. It's
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: another problem.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: My boy. He's up on the milkshakes and the chiefs
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: just give him some water or something. Yeah, and they
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: come back the last lay that afternoon and they're like, oh,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: here you go. This is great. So that's loved all
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the sharks. So and to this day he still supports
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the sharks. I encourage I want him to like, if
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: you've got something, mate, you do what you think is right.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: The worst thing is my missus puts him in the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Sharks Jersey.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: So last year was.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Made him mainly. So we beat him once and lost
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: him once. So but when we lost him, we lost
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: him at brook Fale and I broke my hand that day.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: So I was already off the world because we've got
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: to get surgery blah blah. And then he comes into
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Afriking Sharks Jersey. But the boys are awesome. They love him,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: even like the clubs I've been at with when you've
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: got kids, it's unreal. Every So every game I packed
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: his budget smugglers. We're a Brookie because he comes in
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: the part of the hot baths and the cold bathrooms
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: and the boys love him.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, before you go, woulds he when I see one
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: last question? When you are a much older man and
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: your your children are no longer living at home, what's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the one thing you want them to remember about the
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: house they grew up in.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Sort of liked that it was the halfway house, like
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: that that anyone was welcome to come in. You know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: it was a place where everyone could feel like they
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: were at home. You know, like say, if you bring
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: your mates from footy or school. You know, my missus,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: no bless her, she'd be making snacks for him. You know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: they get away with whatever they want to our house
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: and just to never be like scared to bring someone there,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: like whether it's your mate, your missus, whatever, coker to
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: bring their girlfriends, whatever, just some place that they felt
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: safe at and then everyone was always welcome. That's that's
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: the place that you know, That's what I had when
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I was growing up. And because we lived I lived
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: in like our in Nounton Street and we're on top
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: of a paper shop, and that was just the halfway house.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: The boys used to just come there all the time.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: They didn't even come there when I wasn't there. A
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: safe home, Yeah, a safe home.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: If their mate's struggling, if they even't need a place,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: obviously tell your parents where you are. But yeah, just
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: a place where you can enjoy your time, enjoy each
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: other's company.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: It we do. Thank you so much.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, thank you for coming on, jumping on and
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: giving us, giving us a spiel about your kids.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: We really appreciate time.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Thanks having its awesome. Matt funchat with Woodsy as always
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: great guy. He's just total off to training. I reckon,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: do you know who he reminds me of?
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: A big, barely strong lumberjack who could crush me with
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: his hand seed.
• 52:39
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