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124: Eileen McKusick - Biofield Tuning and the New Physics · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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Meredith Oke: Hi, Eileen McKusick. Welcome to the QVC podcast.
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Super excited to have you here. We appreciate
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your work so much and also the work that you've
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been doing to create, lay the foundation for this
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to be a true science, the science of waves and
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sound and all of it. Your contribution is really
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important. So thank you for that and thank you
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for being here.
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Eileen McKusick: Yeah, you bet. Thanks for having me, Meredith.
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Meredith Oke: So I wanted to start back at the beginning. A lot
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of almost everyone that I interview and everyone
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who listens to this, it's mostly people who ended
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up in a place that they didn't expect. They took
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a turn that they didn't plan to take due to
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following a fascination or having a health issue
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that wasn't resolved via the normal channels. You
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are so currently well known for biofuel tuning,
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but I was interested to hear your story,
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listening to you share that. You didn't start out
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there. You were in a completely different
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industry and this was a side hobby that grew. So
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tell us how that happened.
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Eileen McKusick: Yeah, definitely ended up where I didn't think I
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would by following a fascination to help my own
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health conditions. So I think I've got that in
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common with everybody else on this kind of path.
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I picked up tuning forks in 1996. I found a set
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in a catalog, and at the time I had owned a very
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busy restaurant that I started when I was 20. And
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100 hour weeks really ruined my back and my
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health. I ended up running away screaming after
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four years and went to massage therapy school and
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started to work to heal my back, heal my physical
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issues, you know, emotional mental issues that I
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didn't even realize that I had. And ended up
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having to go back to the restaurant, but kept
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doing massages part time on the side because I
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discovered that I really had an interest in
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natural health and healing, science and
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spirituality, human potential. And so I always
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had books going on the side, and one book always
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leads to another, as probably most of your
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watchers have that experience. And it led me to
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vibrational medicine all the way back in 1996.
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And this was really just starting to come out.
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And I read everything I could find on the use of
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color and sound and music and healing. And then
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these forks appeared in a catalog. So I just
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started playing with them. And they were very
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intriguing to me from the very beginning. They
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produced situations and outcomes that I
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absolutely didn't expect. But this was in
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Connecticut in the 90s, where people were
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extremely skeptical of this sort of thing. If I
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told anyone I was doing sound healing with tuning
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forks, I Was like, got backhanded. You know, it's
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skepticism. Like what nonsense. I mean, now I
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think there is something about when you hear the
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term tuning forks in energy fields, I think
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people have been really programmed to immediately
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perceive that and dismiss it as pseudoscientific
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nonsense. And anybody who engages in that is
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clearly delusional. And, and has, you know. No,
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they're just deluding themselves. And. But you
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know, the thing is, is that once you get past
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that first thought and you dig a little deeper,
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what you find is that the how and why of why
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tuning forks work actually makes sense. And
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that's what a lot of people say once they read my
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book and they, they start to grasp it. They're
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like, oh, this makes sense, right? It's a physics
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based approach to health, working with the body's
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electrical system instead of a chemical,
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mechanical based approach to health that we've
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all been so conditioned into. So I did it for 10
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years, just as a hobby, just on the side. And
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then in 2006, I made a discovery that I started
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to find things in the atmosphere around the body.
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And over the next four years, from 2006 to 2010,
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I explored what I now know as the biofield. And
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now see, that is a Taurus. But at the time, I had
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no idea. It was sort of this blind exploration
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that sort of fumble in the dark with momentary
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flashes of illumination. And what ended up coming
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together is what I call the biofield anatomy map,
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which is the basis of my work. And it's
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essentially the observation that we have an
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electrical system. Anything that has electric
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current running through it has a magnetic field
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around it. And the human body is no exception.
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And that this magnetic field is what I would call
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our mind, our conscious mind, our subconscious
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mind. It's where our memories are. It's really
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our sense of self, right? Because when you're
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alive and your light is on, that's you, you're
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here. And when you die, your light goes out and
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then you are no longer here. So I would say that
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this electrical system, this light body, is both
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biological and spiritual. So there's really,
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there's no, there's no separation there. Even
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though we've been taught to use language and
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beliefs to create a separation. And so I would
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say that the biofield is a torus. It is a sphere
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with a central channel. We draw up negative
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charge from the surface of the earth, we draw
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down positive charge from the sun and the
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atmosphere, and these circulate around and the
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field extends about 6ft off to our sides, front
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and backs about 12 foot diameter. But it grows
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and shrinks depending on where we are, how we
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feel, that sort of thing. This is just sort of an
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average. And what I discovered is that it holds
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our memories. So even though we're told our
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memories in our brain and our consciousness is
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inside our brain, what I found was that actually
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I could find very specific memories in the field.
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And that's what the map is all about. It shows
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where specific memories are stored in the field.
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And so when I started working in the field, my
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therapeutic outcomes became really dramatic. And
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at the time, I was actually making kettle corn.
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So I'd sold my share in the restaurant. I moved
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to Vermont, and I wanted to get back into a food
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business. And so I go to grocery stores on Sunday
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nights and see what people were buying and what
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they weren't buying. And then I came up with the
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idea for kettle corn. Because back in 2004, you
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could only get kettle corn in fairs and
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festivals. You couldn't get it in stores. And so
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I actually was one of the first people to bring
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kettle corn in stores. And I had. I had it in 50
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stores. It was flying off the shelves. It was a
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proven product. It had great profit margin. Like,
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I was going to grow it, sell it to Frito Lay and
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retire. Like, that was the track that I was on.
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And I got, whoop, diverted kind of unexpectedly
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and kind of reluctantly, quite honestly. Because
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when I started working out in the field, my
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therapeutic outcomes with my clients became
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really dramatic. You know, when we don't feel
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good and we go see a provider, we want to
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experience a state change, right? We want to feel
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different. After we spent money and come out, we
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want to feel different. And that is so much what
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was happening. I was getting people over anxiety,
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depression, pain, all kinds of stuckness in
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pretty short order. And I was like, this is the
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kind of healing people are looking for. And I
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really felt sort of a moral obligation to bring
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it out in the world. But there was this image
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problem. And so I ended up going to college as an
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adult and went full time for 4 years. Got my
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undergraduate degree, got my master's degree, and
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I wrote a master's thesis called Exploring the
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Effects of Audible Sound on the Human Body and
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its Biofield.
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Meredith Oke: Wow. Good for you. So what were the majors to get
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you to that?
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Eileen McKusick: Well, my undergrad was in business and wellness.
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And then my. Actually, my graduate program, I
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went to Northern Vermont University, which is
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like five minutes down the road from me in
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Northern Vermont. They only had two master's
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programs, one in education and one in counseling.
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So I got a master's in education. But I was very
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fortunate to have a thesis committee and a group
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of people that were super supportive of what I
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was doing doing. And so I got a degree in
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integrative education. I kind of created my own
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track and was fully supported in doing this
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research and writing this thesis. But my thesis
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advisor, she said to me, Eileen, if you're going
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to write an academic treatise on an esoteric
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topic, it has to be above excellent. And So I had
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five different editors for that, including this
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fellow named Dr. Carl Merritt, who's who wrote
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the Ford Tuning the Human Biofield and was also
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the first person I ever tried to do it at a
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distance with. And, and then that won an academic
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excellence award and it, and then it became the
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basis for Tuning the Human Biofield which has now
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sold over 100,000 copies. So it's, that book has
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sort of become a classic. It's maintained
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bestseller status ever since it came out 10 years
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ago. So. And then I wrote Electric Body, electric
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health in 2021. So along the way I formed a
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school and I now have 10 teachers who help me
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teach biofield tuning. We've trained over 3,500
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people worldwide in, in the method or if
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something in different stages of it. So that's
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very exciting. I formed a non profit institute,
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Biofilm Tuning Institute and we've had a number
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of papers published in peer review. Just did a
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big study last year with 100 participants and
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that is currently the data for that is being
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collated. That was for anxiety and we found that
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biofuel tuning works amazingly for anxiety,
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fears, phobias, that sort of thing. So we're, you
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know, we're doing, we're educating people in how
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to do the method and we're getting the peer
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review research done as well. And I really see
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that it's my job to take what has previously been
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considered to be pseudoscientific or you know,
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woo woo, as I like to say and just ground it. In
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science we already understand, just make it very
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matter of fact, because it is very matter of
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fact. And so that's what I've been working on.
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Meredith Oke: Amazing. There's so much in there. I love that
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you are able to take what was available in our
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current reality and use those materials to build
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a new reality. Basically what you did. Yeah,
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because I think sometimes we look around and see
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the brick wall, hear the negativity. It's like,
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oh well, they're not. No, no one's ready for this
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yet. But there's always the, you know, getting
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down, breaking things down. There's always the
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ingredients to build whatever it is we need to
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build, and then that gives a framework for people
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to come into and expand it and keep moving it
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forward. So you are a great role model in that
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way. I love it. Thank you. So you mentioned
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having a shift in terms of how you understood the
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biofield, which is really when you were like,
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okay, I have to give up my entrepreneurial life
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and take this more seriously. What could you say
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more about what that was?
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Eileen McKusick: Yeah, it was a message from God, quite honestly.
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It was a download that came in kind of like
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certified mail, clear as a bell. And it said, you
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need. It started off with, the world needs
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harmony more than it needs another snack food.
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Meredith Oke: Well, that's not ambiguous. That is clear.
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Eileen McKusick: That's very clear. It says, you need to go to
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college, get degrees, learn and teach about
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sound. Become part of the conversation moving the
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science of this forward. Get yourself in
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textbooks and peer review. Cover the globe with
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biofield tuning and awaken an army. All of these
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things. And at first I was like, absolutely not.
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Like, I'm not doing that. I'm not gonna. I'm not
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gonna go out on the world stage with tuning forks
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because I'm just gonna be such a target for
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people's rotten tomatoes, and I don't want to do
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that. Thank you very much. But after, you know,
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just a little while, I realized that. That I was
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well suited to the job because I am so practical
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and log. And the only reason why I advocate for
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any of this is because it's practical, it's
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logical, it's effective, it's efficient. These
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are all things that I really value. And. And so I
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said, okay, challenge accepted. I sold the
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popcorn business, and I went to college, and, you
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know, and I've done all the things that I was
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asked to do. So that's. Yeah, that's where it
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came from. You couldn't really say no.
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Meredith Oke: Yeah. No, you can't. Yes. And I understand. It's
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like this vision comes and it's like, sorry, I'm
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gonna do what? That's not. No, that's not who I
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am. That's not the plan. Everyone's gonna think
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I'm weird, but, oh, well, here we are. And here,
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you know, and you have truly changed the
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landscape. You know, you really have, in a very,
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very short amount of time, the combination of the
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qualities that you bring to the table.
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Eileen McKusick: Well, I think that part of the reason is. Is
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because everything that I put together, it really
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needs to ring true to me. It needs to resonate.
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Right. And if it doesn't resonate, if it doesn't
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make sense to me, I'm not going to share it with
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anyone. And so that's what. When people hear it
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and they start to understand it, they feel the
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resonance. They say, oh, this feels true. This
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rings true to me. These are things that I already
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knew, but I didn't even know that I knew them
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until I saw it there. And then I'm like, of
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course that's true.
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Meredith Oke: Right, Right. Yes. And that's that. That feeling
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of truth in the body, where it's. Because we talk
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a lot about sunlight and being outside. You know,
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I've had a lot of people on this podcast talking
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about how important that is, and people like, oh,
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no, no, you can't go in the sun. It's bad. And
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you're like, why do you think that? How do you
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feel when you're outside? It's like, oh, yeah,
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no, that makes sense.
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Eileen McKusick: Right.
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Meredith Oke: And there's not even a scientific explanation
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necessary. People just feel the truth of it. So
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tell me a little bit more about the anatomy of
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the biofield.
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Eileen McKusick: Sure. So what I observed, and this was, as I
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said, over the course of four years of combing my
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forks through the atmosphere around the body and
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making observations because the tuning forks
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interact with the body's electromagnetic field.
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Meredith Oke: And.
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Eileen McKusick: And I would. I would be going along, and I would
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hit an area where I would feel resistance in the
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fork, almost feeling like you're encountering
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mass. And then I would have a note drop into my
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head. Then I talk about having a male slot, mail
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slot on the back of my head, like, kind of right
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there. My friend Tiffany Barsodi, I met her at a
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conference, and she did all this work,
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understanding that we actually have a minor
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chakra there called the Alta major, or the mouth
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of God, which I. When I first learned about that,
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I'm like, that's my mail slot.
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Meredith Oke: You're like, oh, the mail slot you made.
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Eileen McKusick: And. And so the mail slot would open and a little
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note would drop in, and it would say, sadness,
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age 10. And so I'd be like. And I'd ask the
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person, what happened when you were 10? That was
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sad. And they were like, oh, that was when my
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grandmother died. And, you know, we were so
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close, and I was so sad, and we never talked
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about it. There's, like, to always be a sad story
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there. And so after a while of getting all of
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these drops that were then correlated by my
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clients, this pattern started to emerge. And the
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way I've come to understand the pattern now is
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that information encoded in the outer boundary.
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The double layer plasma membrane of our biofield
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contains information that was generated when we
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were in utero. Just inside that is birth. And so
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if I'm moving a tuning fork through someone's
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field, it's like dropping a needle on an album
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and reading the vibrational record of their
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lives. All the memories are encoded in the field.
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So if I'm working on somebody who's 60, I'm going
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to find memories that were generated when they
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were 30, around three feet away from them. And
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then as we get closer to the body, we get closer
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to now. So it's timelined in that as our body is
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feeling and sensing and speaking and hearing all
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the things. Right. That are all electrical
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impulses. So it makes sense that our memory is
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stored in our electrical system so that it has
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this timeline quality. But I also discovered that
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it was sort of striated, that it almost had like
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file drawers. And every time we felt the emotion
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of sadness, that would get recorded off of our
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left shoulder. So I found that people who came in
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who had left shoulder issues very often were
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carrying a lot of heavy sadness with them. They
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had undigested, unexpressed, sad emotions.
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Meredith Oke: Because that particular emotion gets stored up in
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a similar space in the biofield.
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Eileen McKusick: Yes.
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Meredith Oke: Which then reverberates into the physical body.
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Eileen McKusick: Yes. It's kind of one of the in.
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Meredith Oke: And out, all the waves.
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Eileen McKusick: Yeah, yeah. I noticed that every time people came
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in with right hip issues, that they had a busy
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mind and a busy body and were almost always over
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engaged in some kind of guilt driven overdoing or
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overthinking and so on through the whole body.
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That every body part, the people came and said
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this hurts. That there was a common underlying
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mental or emotional imbalance there. And like
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almost without exception. Right. And I can, I can
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very easily, you know, if somebody tells me where
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they have pain, I can very easily diagnose to
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them, like what is going on in their mind and
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their emotions in their life. That's out of
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balance because magnetic fields guide and inform
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electric currents. So wherever you're generating
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a lot of magnetic emotional energy, it's going to
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affect the way that electricity is flowing
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through the body and you end up with excesses in
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some places and deficiencies in other. So what
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we're really doing, we're kind of like
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bioelectricians and we're working through the
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magnetic field in order to get the electricity to
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flow through the body in a Balanced open way. So
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that that's really the essence of it is finding
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traumatic inputs from different parts of your
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life where you developed a pattern of tension
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related to that. And that pattern of tension is
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inhibiting flow and it's stopping your body from
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self repairing. Because the body is designed to
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self repair, we all know that. And what gets in
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the way are these patterns of tension. In fact,
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I've come to the conclusion that anything that
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you can think of, for the most part, that goes
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wrong with you is tension based. And I've been
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waiting for somebody to come up with things that
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aren't right. Even, even something like heavy
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metal poisoning. We're all exposed to heavy
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metal. Why do some people end up with heavy metal
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toxicity and other people don't? And I found that
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there was a particular personality type that was
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more prone to this. And these were the people who
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suppressed their anger. And if you just think and
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feel for a moment like what has to happen in your
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body in order for you to suppress anger, right,
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you're creating tension across every membrane in
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your body. That tension is inhibiting your body
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from moving these heavy metals, from processing
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them, from getting them out. So when we release
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these subconscious patterns of tension, and it
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could be from in utero, a lot of stuff gets
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formed under the age of three. Even particular
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beliefs that we form create particular patterns
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of tension. If you were a baby that was left to
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cry it out and you were bottle fed on a schedule
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and you were neglected, you develop a belief that
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it doesn't matter what you say, nobody's
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listening to what I'm saying. And you go through
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your life and that pattern of tension informs
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your voice, your vagus nerve, so that when you
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speak, people hear that belief and they don't
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listen to you. And it's just a pattern of
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tension. So it's a sort of systematic approach to
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going through the memory bank, finding the places
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where you still have charge around unhealed,
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unexpressed emotions or experiences, unwitnessed,
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shameful things that you know you might have been
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victim of when you were little that put you in
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that state of tension and just gently teasing the
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body to release the energy that it's holding in
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that and that pattern of tension so that, so that
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you can relax and that your breathing opens up.
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Because in the electric health model, most of our
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life force and energy comes from our breath. And
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so if you're not breathing, and most people hold
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their breath regularly, they breathe shallowly,
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they overthink, and then they wonder why they're
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exhausted at 3:00 in the afternoon. And it's
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primarily because you are not getting enough
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breath. So this boosts our vitality by liberating
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our breath to its potential. Right, yeah.
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Meredith Oke: So fascinating. So liberating our breath and all
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of that energy that we're using to stay tense,
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that also becomes available to us to live our
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lives, to flow, to receive, to give.
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Eileen McKusick: Yes, all that and to really reach our potential.
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Right. Because we all know that we have more
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potential than what we're accessing. And your
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electric potential is literally frozen in your
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field and it's not in circulation because. And if
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you've had a lot of trauma, you have a lot of
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stuff frozen in your field. But I've found that
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people who've had a lot of trauma who
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successfully heal, become like superhuman because
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they had to figure out how to make do with less
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of themselves online. And when they start to get
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themselves back online, they've really developed
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a lot of skills.
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Meredith Oke: And I have noticed that. And you also become.
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You've also developed the skill of healing stuff
27:59
as it happens and noticing and knowing what it
28:02
is. Because I think, yeah, I noticed that there's
28:05
people. I'm like, oh, if only you were just
28:07
slightly more traumatized, you'd be forced to
28:10
deal with it. Which sounds terrible, but it's an
28:14
interesting topic. And I saw something online
28:16
this week that I wanted to respond to, but I
28:19
don't have time. And the person, you know, there
28:22
was someone who made a post about how trauma is
28:24
the cause of so many different things, and then
28:26
someone else reposted it, saying, like, why are
28:29
we blaming everything in the world on trauma? And
28:32
I. I'm curious what you feel like. My thought was
28:35
trauma is the source of all of those things, but
28:38
are the problem isn't blaming trauma. The problem
28:42
is that we somehow feel like that trauma is
28:46
permanent or something, when really it's what I
28:49
think the next phase is like, okay, people who
28:53
have a lot of trauma are very, very limited, and
28:55
it's a source of many different issues. But what
28:58
if the. What if we had a mindset where it's like,
29:00
oh, okay, so go and go and heal it. It's
29:03
possible. And it's not actually as hard as you
29:05
may have been led to believe.
29:06
Eileen McKusick: It is absolutely possible, and it is absolutely
29:08
not as hard as you've been led believe. I had a
29:11
lot of trauma as a kid and had a really hard life
29:15
for a long time. Many, many difficult things. And
29:20
I backed all of that out of my system. Now I've
29:23
had a lot of tune ups. I've received a lot of
29:25
tune ups. You know, that's a beautiful thing, but
29:29
we are absolutely capable of healing these
29:32
things. And you know what happens, and I think
29:35
kind of where we're at is as we go through this
29:38
process of discovering that the trauma has
29:42
created the. Our stuck emotions are a lot of
29:46
stuckness, really. You know, I think it kind of,
29:48
a lot of it boils down to stuckness in knowing
29:51
that you want to change your life or you want to
29:53
go somewhere, you want to do something different,
29:54
but you're stuck in the wiring of all of your old
29:57
habits and inputs. But you can be rewired and we
30:01
can access that potential. And it's happening,
30:04
it's happening now. I've treated many, many, many
30:07
people and I've trained many people who are
30:10
helping people to overcome this. But you have to
30:13
get out of victim consciousness. You have to stop
30:17
attaching to your pain body and self, identifying
30:20
with your pain body. And you have to stop looking
30:23
for like, the one thing that's gonna flip the
30:25
switch. Because there, there's a kind of like
30:29
desire for people to go from level 0 to level 10
30:34
kind of instantly. And so they're always trying
30:37
to make that big jump into like, you know, the
30:39
quantum leap into their, their perfect state. And
30:43
it doesn't. Maybe that can work very once in a
30:46
great while for very few people. But the fact of
30:49
the matter, what I've observed is we have to, in
30:52
layers, remove the wiring from the pain body and
30:56
wire it back into the light body. And, and, and
30:59
it happens in layers. You can't hold the energy
31:04
of your fully expanded self without the
31:07
scaffolding to hold it right. So we can have like
31:10
an expansive experience, a heart open experience,
31:14
and, and think, wow, I'm really great. I'm gonna
31:16
be this way. And then we go home and we contract.
31:19
And then people will often like, beat themselves
31:22
up for that contraction. But that's really how we
31:25
grow and how we start to wire ourselves to be
31:28
able to hold that expanded flow state by degrees.
31:32
So we'll expand and then we'll contract a little,
31:34
and then we'll expand again and we'll contract a
31:36
little. So it's really important that you don't
31:39
resist the contractions on this journey. There's
31:43
switchbacks, there's.
31:45
Meredith Oke: Yes, loop around like this again.
31:49
Eileen McKusick: Yeah. And you gotta be patient with that and not
31:52
beat yourself up. Just understand that that's how
31:55
it rolls and just keep going and keep holding
31:59
that vision of yourself. And if you find
32:02
something that Works like biofield tuning, and we
32:04
definitely know that that does. But there's so
32:06
many other great modalities out there these days
32:08
too. You know, there's a lot of options for
32:11
healing. And recognize that your parents, their
32:15
parents, their parents, nobody in the generations
32:18
before you tried to do this right? You're not
32:22
just healing your own trauma, you're healing
32:25
cultural trauma, multi generational trauma.
32:28
There's a lot to do here, right? There is a great
32:32
big piles of mess. I call us the karmic cleanup
32:35
crew. Like, there are so many people who are
32:38
coming into under the healing path that know that
32:42
they are called to clean up their ancestral
32:44
lineage, that the abuse stops with them, that the
32:48
bad behavior stops with them, and they're going
32:51
to heal and create a new life in a new way for
32:54
those kids. So that is what is going on right
32:57
now. And for those of us who've taken on the task
33:00
of doing this healing, yes, it is a lot. And it's
33:04
okay that it's a lot. And if you keep going, you
33:07
get to experience yourself as more expanded and
33:11
more regulated for longer and longer periods of
33:14
time until you finally get to the place where
33:16
you're regulated and, you know, kind of happy, I
33:19
guess, most of the time because you've. Your
33:23
electrical system isn't, you know, got all these
33:26
things that are firing in it. They're triggering
33:28
you or sending you into dysregulation. Your
33:31
window of tolerance of stressors gets bigger and
33:34
bigger and you're able to, you know, you become
33:36
like a big boat on the ocean and the waves aren't
33:39
such a big deal anymore. And we all have that
33:42
capacity. It just takes time to get there right
33:44
now, in this moment in time. Right. Because going
33:48
forward, it might be a lot easier. But right now,
33:51
what we're all doing, what you're doing, what I'm
33:53
doing, what everybody listening to this podcast
33:55
is doing, is not easy. So just so you know that.
33:58
But it's doable.
34:00
Meredith Oke: Yes, yes. And I find for me, when it gets really
34:06
hard, it's almost always because I didn't put
34:09
enough support in place. I didn't have a bio, you
34:13
know, a biofield tuning. Like, I did it and then
34:16
I stopped or I, or I didn't, you know, I'm like
34:20
out on my own too much. And I feel like even
34:24
these conversations, like our fields are
34:26
entangling and we. There's that support is
34:30
growing. Even just when I listen to someone
34:33
else's podcast and they talk about something, I'm
34:35
like, I can feel that Support emanating out into
34:39
my field, even though I don't even know those
34:41
people.
34:42
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, yeah. And we're all here in the same boat,
34:45
helping each other. You know, it's an amazing
34:48
thing. I'm very grateful to be part of a number
34:52
of different communities of people who are really
34:55
full on committed towards their health, vitality,
34:59
sanity, and living the right way for themselves
35:03
and others.
35:04
Meredith Oke: Yeah, it's amazing. And it's so to be surrounded
35:08
by people who carry that message and then also
35:13
have the modalities to support it. But especially
35:15
carrying that message, if it still feels
35:19
terrible, then there's, then there's just room to
35:21
grow. And I'm thinking, my daughter does
35:24
gymnastics, right? And it's like she's learning
35:26
to do a handstand and it's like at first she
35:29
could barely stay up and then she could stay up a
35:31
few seconds and then a few seconds longer and of
35:33
course she comes down the other side. But it's
35:36
like that's just the process of learning. And
35:40
that's really what I'm taking away from what
35:41
you're saying. And in terms of growing past
35:44
trauma.
35:46
Eileen McKusick: Exactly. It is, it's a, it's a muscle like any
35:48
other muscle, you know, and you, you have to work
35:51
it and you can't just do it a poke at it and
35:53
think you're going to get somewhere. In a way, I
35:56
think if you're really serious about healing, it
35:58
has to become a lifestyle. It has to be what your
36:02
life is about. You know, my life is about health.
36:05
My life is set up to keep me healthy. And it
36:08
didn't used to be that way. I used to be very
36:10
much stuck in victim mentality, poverty
36:13
consciousness, addicted to drama, low level pain,
36:19
inflammation. You know, I had all the things I
36:22
don't anymore. And what changed? It was really
36:26
uncovering the electric health model. Discovering
36:29
that our body had an electrical system, realizing
36:31
that it was primary, realizing that if you try to
36:34
come at things at the level of chemical and
36:36
mechanical, it's downstream of what's going on
36:39
electrically. So when I started receiving tuning
36:42
from my first students and then started to
36:44
understand, oh, we have an electrical system and
36:47
that's, you know, that's what gets fed when you
36:50
go out in the sun. Your light body needs light.
36:52
That's pretty simple. Yeah.
36:56
Meredith Oke: I know. I just saw this research coming out
36:58
recently. Yeah, it was, you know, like our
37:01
capacity to navigate change, life changes, work
37:07
changes, is directly correlated to the strength
37:10
of our mitochondria, which is like obvious to us.
37:14
But, you know, there's a paper on that now. It's
37:16
like, okay, all right. So when you are cleaning
37:21
out, cleaning up the biofield, so you have your.
37:27
The tuning fork, and when you. When you sense a
37:30
space that needs to be cleared, is it a. Is it a
37:34
sound?
37:35
Eileen McKusick: What's really interesting, it's both a sound and
37:39
a feeling. It's a feeling of resistance that you
37:42
feel like you're hitting something that has mass.
37:44
And this was always really puzzling to me because
37:46
they claim that electromagnetism doesn't have
37:49
mass. But I'm like, there is mass here. Like,
37:52
that's what it would say.
37:53
Meredith Oke: So it's like flowing through and then it's like
37:55
hitting something or getting. Or like molasses or.
37:58
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, and it's always fun to teach people this
38:01
because you think, oh, that's not possible. Or
38:03
that's. No, I don't it. And then you do it and
38:06
you hit a spot and you're like, what? Like, you
38:08
can totally feel it. And I love seeing people's
38:11
reactions when they. When they figure that out.
38:14
So there'll be like a chaos pattern of the
38:17
memory. You know, if it was something like a car
38:19
accident, the. The alarm, the chaos afterwards,
38:25
and. And the resistance that your body went into.
38:28
So I'll hear it. I'll hear the story in it.
38:30
Because the language of vibration is very
38:32
precise. So every motion makes a particular
38:34
sound, every pathology makes a particular sound.
38:39
And over the 29 years that I've been listening to
38:41
forks, I've really become extremely fluent in
38:44
this very pure language that actually animals and
38:46
plants speak the same vibrational language, which
38:49
was very fascinating to figure out. But for a
38:52
long time it was really puzzling to me. I'm like,
38:54
well, what is this sense of mass? Once the chaos
38:57
would resolve, the mass would release, and then
39:00
the tuning fork becomes like a magnet, and we're
39:02
able to actually, like, guide that feeling of
39:06
mass back into the central channel of the body
39:08
where it feels like it goes back into flow. But I
39:11
recently came across an article about how
39:15
scientists had discovered a new quasi particle
39:18
called the semi Dirac fermion that only exhibits
39:22
mass when it's traveling perpendicular to the way
39:26
it's supposed to travel. So as long as it's going
39:29
this way, it's massless, but if it diverges and
39:32
goes to the side, it exhibits mass. And I was
39:36
like, oh, so now.
39:40
Meredith Oke: Okay, now I'm seeing why that particle is so
39:42
important to you, because that's explaining why
39:45
we think there's no mass. But you were finding
39:47
Mass. But it's because physics is weird. Things
39:53
do different things depending. Okay.
39:56
Eileen McKusick: So because forever people will say, when you ask
40:01
them how they feel after a session, they always
40:03
say, I feel lighter. Everybody says the same
40:05
thing. My husband said to me one day, he's like,
40:08
can't you find more of a scientific thing to say,
40:12
feel lighter? But now I can say, actually we've
40:15
corrected the flow of their semi direct fermions
40:17
and actually release mass from their field.
40:23
Meredith Oke: I love it.
40:24
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, So I did. So I did an experiment because I
40:28
wanted to understand this. Now we've already
40:29
heard from people prior to this that they had
40:32
lost weight during a session. One woman messaged
40:34
me one day and said she lost ten pounds in an
40:36
hour session. And I was like, how is that even
40:39
possible? But other people had reported the same
40:41
thing. Not everyone. So I decided to create a 30
40:46
minute recorded biofuel tuning session where I
40:49
just. Over an empty table where I'm going in and
40:53
intentionally looking for. Now, I don't believe
40:58
in particles as a person, but certainly waves all
41:02
the way down, traveling waves, standing waves
41:05
that are not going the way they're supposed to,
41:08
and very intentionally combing them back into
41:12
movement. It's called the mass reduction session.
41:16
And I weighed myself before and after, and I lost
41:18
like a pound and a half in 30 minutes. And so I
41:22
was like, this is really interesting. So I shared
41:25
it in my Facebook group and I shared it on my
41:27
YouTube channel. And I started collecting data
41:29
points and what was in the data was really
41:32
interesting. So out of say 50 data points, maybe
41:37
15 didn't change. The rest all lost weight. And
41:41
the. And that was anywhere between 2 ounces and
41:43
then the highest one was 5.2 pounds in 30 minutes.
41:48
Meredith Oke: From one session.
41:50
Eileen McKusick: Yeah.
41:50
Meredith Oke: And these were sessions people did.
41:52
Eileen McKusick: Listening to the recording, Listening to the
41:54
recording. Just listen.
41:55
Meredith Oke: So you don't need anything, Just the recording?
41:57
Eileen McKusick: Just the recording.
41:58
Meredith Oke: Incredible.
41:59
Eileen McKusick: Incredible. But there is like, there's a caveat
42:01
here.
42:01
Meredith Oke: Okay.
42:02
Eileen McKusick: 5 people or 10 of my data set gained weight. Oh,
42:08
right. And I was, okay, I'm not gonna have to
42:10
adjust my grow up here gainers in there. And so I
42:15
was trying to figure out why that happened. And I
42:18
was querying some of the people. So one of the
42:20
women who gained weight had had a huge amount of
42:23
pain in her left shoulder and she gained like a
42:28
pound and a half. And she said the rest of her
42:30
body felt better, but her shoulders still hurt.
42:32
And then another woman who gained a pound during
42:35
it said to me that she had had a big emotional
42:38
release the day after in a therapy session. And
42:42
then when she listened to it again, she lost a
42:45
half a pound. So I started to think that if
42:49
there's some big block that is really stubborn
42:52
and it doesn't let go, the stuff that we've
42:56
released kind of bumps up against it and goes
42:59
even more haywire. And so you end up with a
43:01
bigger traffic jam of more mass because this one
43:05
bit isn't moving through. And so, yeah, I'm
43:09
really curious, you know, with repeated listens,
43:12
what happens? So I listened about seven or eight
43:16
times in two weeks and I ended up losing a total
43:19
of seven pounds. And then I listened a few more
43:21
times and I kind of plateaued. So I lost seven
43:23
pounds in two weeks just listening to this
43:27
recording. Now I tend to be an outlier in most
43:29
things, so there's no guess I would agree with
43:31
that going to happen for anyone else, but that
43:35
was my experience and, but to me it's, it's
43:39
really intriguing and it's really worth
43:41
understanding better. I'm like, who can I talk to
43:43
about this? I actually, I did send an email to
43:46
the lead author on the paper about this and I
43:49
said, hey, I discovered in the energy field with
43:52
my team. I tried to, I mean, I tried to be a
43:55
little more scientific than that, but needless to
43:58
say, he did not reply. But I think I'm onto
44:00
something here.
44:01
Meredith Oke: Yes, yes, no. And yeah, it's all coming together
44:07
because I was saying that I listened to you
44:09
talking about the semi direct fermion on your
44:12
YouTube. I was like, okay, but now that I hear
44:16
you explaining the biofield, we conceive of it as
44:21
not having a mass, but you are absolutely finding
44:24
vibrationally there to be parts of it that have
44:28
the mass. But it's because the wave. How would
44:32
you explain that Is like, like the wave gets
44:35
knocked off track by a trauma or.
44:38
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, I would say I would.
44:39
Meredith Oke: Locked up.
44:40
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, I would say we're designed. Frozen, right?
44:42
Meredith Oke: Yeah.
44:43
Eileen McKusick: And it just ends up getting frozen because of, of
44:46
the tension that's there. The tension in the
44:48
body, the tension from the memory, the chaos
44:51
pattern of the, the information field that is
44:55
holding that energy. Right. Because we're a
44:57
combination of energy and information and the
45:00
information is patterned and the energies flow
45:02
through that pattern. And so if you've got a
45:06
pattern of tension, that car accident that you
45:08
had that time you found out your partner was
45:10
cheating, that time you moved when you were 14,
45:13
you lost your whole posse and the kids at the new
45:14
school hated you. Do you mean these are all like
45:17
and so that is stopping that energy from moving
45:21
and it ends up going sideways. And what I
45:23
actually observed was that if it sort of went
45:26
sideways up, it had this feeling of hysteria or
45:30
of losing focus or, you know, get all like, ah.
45:33
So there was one way made you that way and then
45:36
the other way was more depressive. It was sort of
45:39
like shooting yourself in the foot, you know,
45:41
being down. So those were the sort of the two
45:44
directions of dysfunctionality that I found in
45:48
this. You know, you think about, they've gone the
45:50
wrong direction.
45:51
Meredith Oke: Yeah.
45:51
Eileen McKusick: And. And they had qualities that I can associate
45:54
that I've seen with people in. In different moods
45:57
of dysfunction.
45:59
Meredith Oke: Right. So fascinating.
46:01
Eileen McKusick: So fascinating.
46:03
Meredith Oke: And it's so funny like that that example you
46:05
chose to use. So I have, I have my daughter's
46:08
permission to discuss this. I've. I've shared it
46:10
before, but she had, she had some birth trauma.
46:13
She was getting ready to go off to college. So I
46:15
had her do some sessions of like, primitive
46:19
reflex integration. And she had also had a lot
46:25
of. Always carried extra weight that seemed
46:27
totally unrelated to diet, physical activity,
46:31
anything. It just would. That was just how she
46:34
was. And she did this, the primitive reflex
46:40
integration, which as I'm hearing you talk, I'm
46:42
like, oh, I bet it's working on a similar way.
46:45
And we did it for anxiety and she lost all this
46:49
weight after.
46:50
Eileen McKusick: Wow.
46:52
Meredith Oke: And we, like, that was not the intention. And
46:55
it's funny because one of one of her traumas was
46:58
we moved in eighth grade and she lost all her
47:00
friends and no one at the new school liked her.
47:03
Eileen McKusick: It's so exciting. It was the worst age to move.
47:07
Meredith Oke: It was the worst. We felt so bad. We, you know,
47:11
it was for my husband's job, so that was that.
47:14
But it, yeah, but again to what you're saying, we
47:20
can, we can rebound, we can unfreeze these
47:23
things. We don't have to stay stuck in this. In
47:26
whatever cycle got activated by these experiences.
47:29
Eileen McKusick: Yep. We can absolutely free them. As simple as
47:31
running a pinion fork.
47:32
Meredith Oke: Through your field, through your field.
47:34
Eileen McKusick: It's not that hard. And anybody can learn how to
47:36
do it. And in my first book, Tuning the Human
47:38
Biofield, there's a chapter on how, you know,
47:41
this is the basic steps of moving the fork
47:44
through the field. And if you want to do it, you
47:46
can't really do it with a cheap fork from Amazon.
47:49
You know, I was just going to.
47:51
Meredith Oke: Say, do you have a special one on your website or
47:54
something?
47:54
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, the 174. So if anybody is intrigued by this
47:57
and wants to learn the language of vibration. My
47:59
174Hz fork is absolutely designed for this. And
48:03
my forks are different. They're made out of a
48:05
custom alloy that you can't get anywhere else
48:08
that has really strong mid tones, it has a long
48:11
duration ring time, it's got a lot of overtones
48:14
and undertones and in this particular frequency.
48:16
And remember, I've been doing this for a long
48:18
time. I've had a lot of prototypes made. I've
48:21
worked with a lot of different frequencies, many
48:23
tens of thousands of hours. So this is. Of all
48:27
the ones I've tried, this one is really the best
48:30
for this field. Combing, learning to hear, feel,
48:34
understand. I, when I first started doing it, I
48:38
really heard the differences. But when I started
48:40
teaching, I discovered that most people come to
48:44
this practice more kinesthetically oriented and
48:46
they don't always hear the changes first, but you
48:50
can feel it in your fingertips. You can feel when
48:53
you, if you just go slow, you have to go slow.
48:55
You go slow, you feel the change, you feel the
48:58
vibration change. When my kids were little, they
49:01
were like maybe 6 and 9. And this was before I
49:04
started teaching my first students. I used to
49:06
have really bad chronic mid back pain. And so I
49:09
tried and my husband is a carpenter, he wanted
49:11
nothing to do with my tuning forks. I'm like,
49:13
okay, it's on.
49:15
Meredith Oke: You have a good time, honey. I started going to
49:19
build something.
49:20
Eileen McKusick: Exactly. I started teaching them how to do it and
49:23
they were like, mom, it's so subtle. And I was
49:25
like, learn to understand subtleties and women
49:27
will love you. So I got them trained early in
49:32
that their girlfriend thanked me. But I asked my
49:37
son and he, when he was six and he came up with
49:39
two really brilliant things. I was like, how can
49:41
you tell when you found something in the field?
49:43
He said, because the fork gets more vibrating.
49:46
Okay, that's it. Fork gets more vibrating. Six
49:49
year old can do it.
49:51
Meredith Oke: Okay, perfect.
49:52
Eileen McKusick: And then I asked him, okay, and what exactly are
49:54
we doing when we're doing this work? And he said,
49:57
it's taking energy from where it doesn't belong
50:00
and putting it where it does belong so it can get
50:03
to work doing what it's supposed to do. What
50:08
isn't that brilliant? As best explanation. Best
50:11
explanation, perfect. Yeah.
50:14
Meredith Oke: So he, yeah, and he was just describing his
50:18
experience of it, what he was seeing, what he.
50:21
And that's it?
50:22
Eileen McKusick: Yeah. So anybody can learn, right?
50:26
Meredith Oke: So we order the fork, we order the book and we
50:30
can just do it.
50:31
Eileen McKusick: You can start and then if you find it really
50:33
intriguing. Then I would definitely recommend
50:35
coming and taking a training with us.
50:37
Meredith Oke: Do you do those in person?
50:38
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, we do them in person in Vermont, San Diego
50:41
and Oregon and we do them online as well. So you
50:45
can do it virtually, you can do it in person. Uh,
50:47
it's a couple levels of training with some
50:49
homework in between. But people are always, you
50:52
know, who become tuners. It, it's life changing.
50:55
You know, it's that lifestyle of healing that you
50:58
want because you're always bathed in coherent
51:01
sound. Your job is to listen. So it trains your
51:04
brain to go from the beta state that most people
51:06
is always in into a quiet alpha state of
51:09
listening. So it trains your mind and your own
51:12
system to be quiet, to be regulated. And you
51:16
learn so much in every session about what it
51:20
means to be human. Plus in most cases, not,
51:25
certainly not all. It is absolutely not a fix
51:28
everything kind of thing, but it helpful for so
51:30
many. You get the satisfaction of knowing that
51:34
you helped get someone out of pain, improve
51:37
someone's quality of life, get them self
51:39
empowered enough to choose to leave a bad
51:42
situation. You know, you get to really, truly
51:46
help people and really see the very tangible
51:49
results of that. Which I think is, you know,
51:51
we're wired as humans I think for that to make us
51:54
feel good. So it's really gratifying and really
51:57
satisfying. And it's endlessly fascinating
51:59
because you're always learning the language of
52:02
vibration. Like one day you'll, you'll be working
52:05
on someone and you're all of a sudden the fork
52:07
will go into that what we call alarm. And then
52:10
you can consult your map and you can be like
52:12
okay, according to the biofield anatomy map, this
52:15
happened when you're around 23 and maybe relate
52:18
your father and then the person be like that's
52:20
when my father and I got into a car accident,
52:23
right? And you're like oh, that sound, that's
52:27
alarm, right? And like and now I know that that
52:31
sound means that or you'll hear that a fear in
52:36
something and you'll correlate it and you're like
52:39
wow, now I know what that sound means, right. And
52:41
so it's this very pure language that can't lie
52:46
and that you just can't help but learn because
52:50
you already intuitively instinctively know it
52:53
because your own body operates in that language.
52:56
So it's just endlessly fascinating as well. And
52:59
you know, for those of us to get bored easily and
53:01
I'm sure you're one of those people too. Meredith.
53:04
Meredith Oke: Guilty.
53:06
Eileen McKusick: You won't get bored infinite it's infinite. Yeah.
53:12
Meredith Oke: I love it. Well, I really. Yeah, I might. I might
53:16
come to Vermont. We have a place in New
53:18
Hampshire, so I'm there a lot. I'm gonna look up
53:22
the dates. This sounds really fun. So I wanted to
53:28
ask you because you. I heard you tell this
53:30
incredible story, so you. You reading the
53:32
biofields in, you know, in person, people would
53:36
come to you, you would go to them, you would be
53:38
in the same room with. With the person. And then,
53:42
thanks to the lockdown lords, we were in person.
53:46
Appointments were not possible for a while, so
53:49
you started to do sessions remotely. And then
53:53
that was a whole other.
53:55
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, no, it was actually in 2012.
53:58
Meredith Oke: Okay.
53:58
Eileen McKusick: It was way before COVID It was 2012. So I. My. My
54:05
friend Dr. Carl Merritt, who's an MD in
54:07
California, had helped me with my master's
54:09
thesis. He went through it page by page with me
54:11
to make sure that everything was correct. So it
54:13
was above excellent. And. And then he said,
54:15
eileen, how'd you like to try doing this at a
54:18
distance? And people had asked me for years if I
54:20
could do it at a distance. And my. My response
54:23
was arrogant and skeptical. I was like, of course
54:25
not. Like, how dumb? Like, don't even ask me to
54:27
do that. You know, it just didn't seem possible
54:29
or plausible. It sounded ridiculous.
54:32
Meredith Oke: Well, and I understand because you're. You're.
54:34
You're in someone's biofield. So if the person's
54:37
not there, how can you be in their biofield? Oh,
54:42
well, then I guess physics.
54:44
Eileen McKusick: Yeah. So then. But I am a scientist, right? And I
54:48
love experiments. I mean, I've spent my life
54:50
following my curiosity and experimenting, you
54:53
know, find out the natural world. I think I fall
54:55
in the category of what's called the national
54:56
natural scientist. Natural philosopher. So Carl
55:02
lay down on his treatment table in his office in
55:06
California. We were not on the phone or on Zoom
55:09
or anything. I pretended that he was on my
55:13
treatment table in Vermont. And I approached the
55:16
table.
55:17
Meredith Oke: You weren't connected in any way?
55:18
Eileen McKusick: Did in any way? Nope. And I approached the table
55:22
like as if he was there. And much to my
55:25
amazement, the same pattern of information that
55:28
shows up around a person showed up around the
55:30
table. It totally blew my mind. And so I went
55:33
through. And at this point, I had really
55:35
understood the field, understood what was going
55:37
on. They went through this whole field, and I
55:39
took notes about all the things that I
55:41
encountered and things like, this is your mom's
55:45
personality, and you had a head injury when you
55:48
were five and you have inflammation in this Joint
55:50
and this organ isn't firing quite right. And, you
55:53
know, the age of this was really difficult. And,
55:56
like, all kinds of just the things that I
55:58
observed that the field tells me. And then we got
56:00
on the phone and I read my notes and he said,
56:03
eileen, all of those things are exactly correct.
56:06
And I felt a state change. I feel lighter. And I
56:08
tested my resting blood sugar before or after,
56:10
and there was a beneficial shift. And I was like,
56:13
oh, my God, like, get out of town. Like, now I
56:15
gotta eat pro. Because I've been, like, so
56:18
arrogant about how it's not possible. And now it
56:20
is possible, but, like, how is it possible?
56:22
Right? So then the next person that I did it on
56:25
was my friend Brendan Murphy, who was living in
56:27
Australia at the time. I'm like, okay, it works
56:29
from Vermont to California. We'll work all the
56:31
way to Australia. Same thing. No open line of
56:34
communication. Nailed him. Just completely nailed
56:37
him. And he also felt it. So then I started doing
56:41
distance sessions with no open line of
56:44
communication. And what that forced me to do was
56:47
to drill down even deeper in my understanding of
56:50
the language of vibration. Because I didn't have
56:52
somebody to be like, okay, I'm around 13 and it
56:55
feels kind of like this. You know what happened
56:57
then? I had to be like, okay, that. That is a
57:00
breakup. That is a first love breakup. I know.
57:03
That is the sound. There is a sound. Okay, this
57:06
is blown people away in the handful of times that
57:08
I found it. Very specific spot in the field,
57:11
right side of the sacral center. Relates to
57:13
shame. Out towards the edge of the Biofield. Age
57:15
6 or 7. Did you ask to go to the bathroom in
57:18
first grade and the teacher wouldn't let you go
57:20
and you peed at your desk. And they're me, like,
57:23
how do you know that there's a sound for that?
57:26
Like, that shame of just that kind of feeling of
57:30
like being at your desk because the teacher
57:32
wouldn't let you go. Like, and it blows people
57:34
away. They're like, you know, you're a witch,
57:36
you're psychic. I'm like, no, this is pattern
57:38
recognition. This is a specific sound in a
57:40
specific area of your field. This is science.
57:43
This is not me making this up. This is a pattern
57:48
that is the same in everybody who's had this
57:50
experience. Yeah. So then I started to work on
57:55
zoom after that, and then now that's the way that
57:58
I do it. But our two big studies on anxiety are
58:02
all over zoom. And so people are like, well, how
58:05
does this work? And so there's lots of different
58:07
ways you can expect. Explain it. But lately I've
58:09
been like, have you ever caught in the vibe of a
58:12
loved one? And then all like, a moment later you
58:14
get their text, like, how do you explain that?
58:19
Are you demanding the science be behind catching
58:22
someone's vibe or you just know that it happens?
58:26
Right, yeah. So we, we are connected non locally
58:30
through the ether. We are antennas. We are
58:33
broadcasting on specific frequency bands, and we
58:37
pick up the frequency transmissions through the
58:41
ether of each other. You know, we. We are all
58:45
like Google Docs on the World Wide Web, and I can
58:49
go in and pluck out your document. You know, we
58:51
can edit your document together in real time
58:54
through the ether. And, and it is real. It
58:57
happens. And I've trained, like I said, thousands
58:59
of people have done this. This, this hypothesis
59:02
has been tested countless times, always with the
59:06
same outcome. I can tune into your energy, I can
59:08
read your energy, I can shift your energy and you
59:10
can feel it. Therefore, there is a law of nature
59:14
that supports it. You cannot dismiss something
59:17
like this out of hand as pseudoscience. When it
59:20
is science, it is happening. It is repeatable.
59:23
There has to be a net.
59:24
Meredith Oke: It's all of the things required.
59:27
Eileen McKusick: All the things required are there.
59:30
Meredith Oke: Yeah. And as we were saying earlier, it's like
59:34
you can't dismiss things that are happening. I
59:36
was delighted to see, like, the Telepathy tapes
59:39
were the number one podcast in all of the United
59:42
States, which is like tens of millions of
59:45
downloads.
59:45
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, right. It is, absolutely. That podcast
59:50
series has taken the paradigm wall and made it
59:53
much thinner. You know, for those of us who've
59:56
been working to like, break down this paradigm of
59:58
materialism and get over the mind, the father
1:00:01
culture mind, that says these things are nonsense
1:00:04
and don't exist and you're all delusional and
1:00:06
people are like, they, you know, now all of a
1:00:09
sudden it's like, people are like, oh, like even
1:00:11
I have. I love my sister, but. But she's, you
1:00:14
know, kind of what some people in my group would
1:00:16
call a normie. And. And you, you know,
1:00:20
appreciates me, but, you know, has never been
1:00:23
very interested in anything. And she recently
1:00:26
read an article about a study in the University
1:00:30
of Virginia where they had basically proven
1:00:34
reincarnation through these kids accounts of
1:00:37
their past lives. And because in her mind, the
1:00:42
University of Virginia is a legit thing, and
1:00:44
whatever reported on it was legit, all of a
1:00:46
sudden her mind is open, and she actually asked
1:00:50
me to explain ether and distance healing to her.
1:00:53
Like, after all these years of me doing this, her
1:00:56
Mind was cracked open enough. She's like, no, I
1:00:58
really want to understand. I was like, wow, I
1:01:01
wasn't expecting this.
1:01:03
Meredith Oke: Really? You do? Yeah. Those are the shifts.
1:01:08
Eileen McKusick: Yeah, it's happening.
1:01:09
Meredith Oke: Those are the little shifts. Oh, that's amazing.
1:01:13
Yeah. Because. Yeah. Listening. I haven't
1:01:15
listened all of it, but even just the first
1:01:17
episode of that. Of that telepathy. And my big
1:01:21
takeaway was that it was like the union of the
1:01:24
doctor and the scientist with the creative
1:01:27
podcast producer who was like, let's tell this
1:01:30
story. And it took the two of them coming
1:01:35
together to break that wall. And I think, you
1:01:39
know, we've always, like, deferred. Maybe I'll
1:01:42
speak for myself. I always want to defer to the
1:01:44
science. Defer to the science and I'll. I'll
1:01:47
interview you or. But, you know, the rest of us
1:01:49
are just like, oh, on the sidelines of the
1:01:51
science. But you merged those two things
1:01:54
together. And what I really felt was the message
1:01:57
for me listening to that was that those of us who
1:02:01
can tell the story have a place, because the
1:02:04
science is all there. Like, it really is. It's
1:02:06
all there.
1:02:07
Eileen McKusick: There's. There's.
1:02:09
Meredith Oke: We can like. It's there. It's just like in a
1:02:14
warehouse under lock and key, and no one's going
1:02:17
in to look at it.
1:02:18
Eileen McKusick: Well, but plenty are, you know, and that's the
1:02:20
thing. I'm giving a keynote at the 66th Annual
1:02:24
Dowsers Convention coming up in May. And I'm
1:02:28
going to be talking about how people who have
1:02:32
been interested in these more esoteric things are
1:02:36
very often objects of ridicule by family members,
1:02:39
even by spouses, and how the time has come for
1:02:44
you to stand in your authority and speak
1:02:47
confidently about these things and not apologize
1:02:50
and not shrink and not feel bad about yourself,
1:02:54
because you are actually in the know. What you
1:02:57
know is backed up by science. And these people
1:03:00
who are arrogantly expressing skepticism were
1:03:05
like me with the distance sessions. Right. I was
1:03:07
like that. And. And very often you need some kind
1:03:11
of experience to change your mind. But I really
1:03:15
want to encourage those of us who have been kind
1:03:19
of shrinking around this topic to become more
1:03:22
confident, to find the studies, to share them, to
1:03:25
speak with confidence. Because you're not wrong.
1:03:28
They are actually wrong. Yes, they are ignorant
1:03:32
and you're not. And so that's something that I've
1:03:35
really had to learn to do over the years, is a
1:03:38
kind of verbal jujitsu with people who are
1:03:41
skeptics. And I've gotten so good at it that I
1:03:43
can Take any skeptic and within five minutes or
1:03:45
less change their mind simply by speaking with
1:03:47
confidence, citing scientific things, things that
1:03:50
make sense. If I can learn to do this, anyone can
1:03:53
learn to do this. And I really want to encourage
1:03:55
people to engage their inner warrior as we are
1:03:59
working to break down this last bit of this
1:04:02
paradigm because we need all of you, you know, on
1:04:09
this mechanistic worldview that really keeps us
1:04:13
all small, separate, diminishes us. We're heading
1:04:16
to a very different world in this age of
1:04:18
Aquarius, and it's going to take all of us to get
1:04:20
there.
1:04:22
Meredith Oke: Yes, all of that. Yes, I'm absolutely. And there
1:04:27
are so many brilliant people who feel. Who are a
1:04:29
little bit hiding and it's like, own it, own it,
1:04:33
own it. It's not. We're not the crazy ones. It's
1:04:35
like, I'm sorry, have you not updated your
1:04:38
paradigm lately? Like, what do you. Oh, you're
1:04:40
still, you still think that? Like, yeah, we are.
1:04:45
We're, you know, it's the beginning of the
1:04:47
beginning. But we are on the path and those
1:04:51
trying to block it, they just have, you know,
1:04:55
there's nothing left to stand on.
1:04:57
Eileen McKusick: There's nothing left to stand on. Truly, there is
1:04:59
nothing left to stand on. And that's what we
1:05:00
really have to own, you know, for those of us the
1:05:03
bringers of the new paradigm, is to own that.
1:05:07
Meredith Oke: Love it. So I wanted to make sure people know how
1:05:13
to find you. So your website and then also I will
1:05:17
put in the link to the healing session that you
1:05:22
have generously made public at the moment. And if
1:05:25
people wanted to do the track their weight before
1:05:28
and after and send you, are you interested in
1:05:31
getting.
1:05:32
Eileen McKusick: More results or collecting data points? What I'm
1:05:35
really interested in now because at first I was
1:05:38
like, okay, we'll do it once and see what
1:05:39
happens. But then when I did it repeatedly and
1:05:41
explain, experienced sort of steady and now I
1:05:44
sort of plateaued. And I didn't really wasn't
1:05:46
trying to lose weight. Like, this is just an
1:05:48
experiment that led to that. So I plateaued. But
1:05:52
I'm curious for people to do it, listen every day
1:05:55
for like a week and track that. Because I'm
1:05:58
curious if it in if there are other people who
1:06:00
are going to have the same experience that I did
1:06:02
and keep on going. So I'm also curious about the
1:06:07
people who, if anybody gains weight, what their
1:06:10
perspective is on their own emotional blockages
1:06:14
and how that might be getting in the way. But
1:06:16
either way, it's a great session. It's very
1:06:18
expanding. It just makes you feel lighter. It
1:06:20
gives you more energy. And, you know, the there
1:06:24
is a maybe share the YouTube video that kind of
1:06:27
gives it context, because.
1:06:30
Meredith Oke: Under the video.
1:06:31
Eileen McKusick: Yeah. And so that's a place you could go to.
1:06:34
Report data is just in the comments on the
1:06:37
YouTube channel.
1:06:39
Meredith Oke: Oh, perfect. Okay, so we'll I'll put the exact
1:06:42
link in the show notes, but if you're driving and
1:06:45
just making a mental note, just look up Eileen
1:06:48
McKusick on YouTube. And it's one of the more
1:06:52
recent videos where she explains the semi direct
1:06:56
fermion mass changing non particle wave. Eileen,
1:07:08
thank you so very much for coming on. It's
1:07:12
absolutely delightful to speak with you. And my
1:07:16
world has been expanded. I appreciate it.
1:07:18
Eileen McKusick: Yay. My pleasure, Meredith. Thanks for having me.