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Viva la Martin! MotoGP’s New King with Chris Vermeulen: MotoGP Pit Talk · Pit Talk

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Speaker 1: Johe Martin on the Prima Pramac dou Caaddie is your
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Moto GP World Champion, and what a
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Speaker 1: season it has been. From breathtaking overtag's unwavering consistency, Martin
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Speaker 1: has cemented his name in Moto GP history with one
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Speaker 1: of the most thrilling title runs we have ever witnessed.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rinita vmullan, and alongside me is our
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Speaker 1: Moto GP masa, mister Matt Clayton. But sorry Matt, because
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Speaker 1: of this episode's a little bit of a family affair
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Speaker 1: with Moto GP race winner and two thousand and three
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Speaker 1: well Supersport champion at Chris Mullan joining us.
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Speaker 2: Chris, welcome to pit Talk.
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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, I've done obviously, I know you rineda sister,
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Speaker 3: we know each other on a very long time and
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Speaker 3: yes I've worked with Matt for a little while, so yes,
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Speaker 3: all good to be back on you.
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Speaker 2: The background for this, Cris, you realized last week we
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Speaker 2: had Matt Burt on the podcast and I reckon this
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Speaker 2: is Ranita's comeback. She had two mats on the podcast
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Speaker 2: out numbered, so she said, the only way I can
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Speaker 2: do some one upmanship here is. I'm going to invite
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Speaker 2: my own brother who's in Botero GP Race Switter onto
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Speaker 2: the podcast and like, all right, hands off the whilk.
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Speaker 2: You've got me on that one. But I don't know,
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Speaker 2: I feel like I need to be like more Dutch
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Speaker 2: or something.
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Speaker 3: To well, more Dutch to be on this one.
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Speaker 2: Not yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you probably do need too. But obviously that's our heritage.
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Speaker 3: But ended there, ended ended fifty years ago. Grandma was
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Speaker 3: sixty years ago, seventy years ago, whenever our grandmother grandparents
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Speaker 3: came out from Holland. But no, great, great to be here.
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Speaker 3: And what about a GP season? And like you said,
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Speaker 3: you have Matt Burton last last week and Bertie he's great,
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Speaker 3: isn't he And he's involved in the action all year round?
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Speaker 3: And yeah, what a season it's been.
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Speaker 1: It's been interesting because coming onto this we were like,
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Speaker 1: what could we expect from the final round of of MOGP.
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Speaker 1: We had all that drama Valencia and then they moved
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Speaker 1: it to Barcelona and we didn't know that was happening
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Speaker 1: till last minute. But the biggest headline obviously Jorge Martine
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Speaker 1: winning the championship. But on an independent team is the
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Speaker 1: first time that's happened in GP history, and I feel
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Speaker 1: like the storyline's going in We had Peco who could
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Speaker 1: possibly take that hat trick Jorge Martin with the comeback
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Speaker 1: after last year, I think it was very well deserved
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Speaker 1: from my side. In my opinion, I think watching him
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Speaker 1: and how he's changed this year, Joge Martin talking about
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Speaker 1: here how he's mentally changed, and Matt, I'm sure you've
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Speaker 1: got some points on this, but Chris, I wanted to
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Speaker 1: hear from you, what's your thoughts on Jorgees ride this year,
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Speaker 1: because I think we've seen a whole new side to
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Speaker 1: the Martinita one hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: He was sort of the guy that did what Peco
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Speaker 3: did this year. Last year, that was Martin got to
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Speaker 3: go and win a lot of races, but make mistakes,
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Speaker 3: and not only did he turn himself around, he put
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Speaker 3: the pressure on his championship rival to do that. In
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Speaker 3: my opinion, Peco Bagna was a fast the faster rider
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Speaker 3: of the two this year, which in the past for me,
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Speaker 3: Jorge Martin is the fastest guy in the world. So
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Speaker 3: Peko's taken this step to beat Jorge Martin speedwak and
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Speaker 3: it's worked and he's won more Grand Price but made
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Speaker 3: more mistakes. So it's almost like role reversal. What do
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Speaker 3: you reckon, Matt. It's it's just changed, hasn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny because you and I for years, even
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Speaker 2: before he was really winning races or being up to
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Speaker 2: the front, we were pretty adamant that Jorge Martin was
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Speaker 2: the fastest rider in Motor GP. It was one of
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Speaker 2: our sort of standard lines that we had every time
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Speaker 2: we did something, but he never really converted on the speed.
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Speaker 2: What's interesting is that I reckon banya has been better
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Speaker 2: this year than he was in both of his championship
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Speaker 2: winning seasons, and he has won the championship because Martin
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Speaker 2: has taken all that raw speed and he's evolved. And
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Speaker 2: the evolution is he was quick enough to win it
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Speaker 2: last year. I don't think it's like a chatter. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that felt like a championship that he lost last year
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Speaker 2: more than Banyai won. Banyai stepped up his game, as
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Speaker 2: you said, he became a faster rider this year. You're
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Speaker 2: going to look back at this year and say a
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Speaker 2: guy won eleven Grand Prix didn't win the championship like
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Speaker 2: it's pretty incredible. But Martin just did the absolute best
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Speaker 2: he could do on the days he couldn't win, and
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Speaker 2: I think that was the key to the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: In that was at thirty two podiums out of forty,
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Speaker 2: and I think it was sixteen or seventeen second places.
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Speaker 2: So even when Banyai was winning, Martin was doing the
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Speaker 2: next best thing and waiting for Bangnyay to trip himself up,
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Speaker 2: and he just did it far too many times. And
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Speaker 2: the Malaysia one, Yeah, Malaysia one was kind of the
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Speaker 2: final straw.
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Speaker 3: Wasn't the Malaysia one was the final straw. It was
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Speaker 3: the straw of the camel's back that broke it, if
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Speaker 3: you like. But it's the Barcelona one, that sprint race
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Speaker 3: where was Miles in front earlier in the year and
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Speaker 3: went down, And if you take those twelve points, he
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Speaker 3: would have been world champion just from one of those
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Speaker 3: sprint races where he was leading by quite a margin
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Speaker 3: and fell off. That's let alone a Grod Prix. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's been an interesting year. And the points, those two guys,
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Speaker 3: both of them nearly at five hundred points in a
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Speaker 3: Grand Prix season, both of them out excelled what each
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Speaker 3: of them did each other did last year, and then
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Speaker 3: they had to fight guys like Mark Marquez on Aju Cadi.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't just it was their own those two guys
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Speaker 3: out in front. There was still plenty of other guys
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Speaker 3: in a Beastie and any winning, lots of grand PRIs,
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Speaker 3: you know, Pedro Costa coming in as the rookie and
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Speaker 3: giving him So it's not like it was just the
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Speaker 3: two of them, But the speed and the display from
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Speaker 3: the two of those guys this year was very impressive.
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Speaker 1: I think what I found really cool this weekend was
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Speaker 1: on Friday I messaged Matt in our group chat and said,
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Speaker 1: johe Martin looks nervous and this was like Friday practice
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Speaker 1: or something. And then we saw that and he openly
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Speaker 1: spoke about it this weekend. But how he held himself
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Speaker 1: throughout the weekend when there is so much pressure on
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Speaker 1: the line, I think was really exciting for me, because
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Speaker 1: you see, Pecos won it two times already, so he
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Speaker 1: kind of expected that there's a possibility. He knew how
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Speaker 1: to handle the situation, and we can talk about Peco
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Speaker 1: how he handled the situation after, But for me, Martin,
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Speaker 1: this weekend. It wasn't a replay of Malaysia at any means.
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Speaker 1: It was like, I'm going to do the job that
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Speaker 1: I need to do, and I'm going to work on
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Speaker 1: the tools and I'm not going to have a repeat
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Speaker 1: of last year. But Matt, you told me offer You've
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Speaker 1: got a really cool comment about Juhe Martin and that
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Speaker 1: final seven laps of the Grand Prix rate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just talking before about how he's evolved this year.
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Speaker 2: And there's something about and you might back me up
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Speaker 2: on this one, Chris, there's something about a non English
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Speaker 2: speaker speaking in English in a press conference setting that
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Speaker 2: maybe they're a little less guarded than you or I
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Speaker 2: might be in that sort of situation because there's a
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Speaker 2: translation element going here. Think something in Spanish translated to
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Speaker 2: English said in English with no filter, And he said,
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Speaker 2: you know, he talked a little bit about what he
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Speaker 2: had done in the off season on the mental side
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Speaker 2: with a mental coach and trying to get his mind right,
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Speaker 2: because he said he had a lot of fear coming
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Speaker 2: into this year, wondering, you know, am I ever going
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Speaker 2: to get a chance to win this thing again. He
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Speaker 2: was quite happy initially with how he gone last year,
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Speaker 2: but then went, well, what if that's it? And then
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Speaker 2: so he was deliberately not looking at his pitbull during
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Speaker 2: the race, and then with about seven laps to go,
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Speaker 2: he saw the pit boarder word, oh dear, like this
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Speaker 2: thing's right here now, and he said he found he
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Speaker 2: started his mind was wandering. He caught sight of his
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Speaker 2: parents being filmed in the pit box on one of
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Speaker 2: the track side big screens, and he said afterwards, I
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Speaker 2: was thinking about when my mum used to send me off,
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Speaker 2: you know, when I used to ride pocket bikes on
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Speaker 2: the karting track with a little, you know, bowl of
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Speaker 2: passer in case I've got hungri and I'm thinking all
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Speaker 2: these things that have nothing to do with what I'm doing.
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Speaker 2: And he's like, you've got to stop this right now, like,
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Speaker 2: get your mind back on what you're doing. And he
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Speaker 2: said he really leaned on the mind coaching and the
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Speaker 2: work he'd done in the off season to get himself
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Speaker 2: back on track. And that was really interesting to me
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Speaker 2: that he was aware enough in the moment that he
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Speaker 2: needed to stop going down a path that was possibly
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Speaker 2: going to distract him, but he was so willing to
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Speaker 2: discuss it as well, which a lot of that sort
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Speaker 2: of stuff goes on by and the scenes. We know
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Speaker 2: this in professional sport, but not people aren't as willing
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Speaker 2: to share in that situation. They might keep that under
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Speaker 2: their hat. You know, it's really interesting.
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Speaker 3: It is it's whether it is whether it is the
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Speaker 3: language thing, like you say, but you're right. I think
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Speaker 3: both these guys, Juge Martin in particular at PECO, the
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Speaker 3: way their relationship with each other, the way they openly
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Speaker 3: speak about each other, they speak about their own hardships
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Speaker 3: or their wins or It's not like Rainy Schwantz doing days,
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Speaker 3: is it. Let's face it, those guys would give each
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Speaker 3: other nothing and they would bloody they do. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's completely different. But yeah, I think going back to
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Speaker 3: what he did in those last seven laps, it is normal.
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Speaker 3: You know, when something major in your career happens, at
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Speaker 3: that point it's you do you start thinking about all
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Speaker 3: these little things and all the people that it means
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Speaker 3: so much to as well, that have supported you along
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Speaker 3: the way. Your parents are obviously number one, your family,
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Speaker 3: you know, the teams, all that sort of stuff, and
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Speaker 3: that that's just it. That just shows you he's a
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Speaker 3: genuinely nice guy. You know, he's thinking about everybody involved,
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Speaker 3: not just himself, and what it means to all those
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Speaker 3: people as well, you know, because this guy, he's the
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Speaker 3: first ever to win or is the first ever to
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Speaker 3: win the Motor GP Championship coming from Rebel Rookies Cup. Now,
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Speaker 3: his parents they were not wealthy by any means. They
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Speaker 3: were actually relatively poor people. They couldn't afford motorbike racing.
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Speaker 3: That was his chance. It was his chance to go
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Speaker 3: racing because it was a very very affordable and he
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Speaker 3: just got there on raw talent and speed, you know.
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of people that have put the
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Speaker 3: sacrificed a lot for Juge Martin to be there, and
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Speaker 3: he's reaped the biggest rewarding tool sport well.
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Speaker 2: And the thing I love about this from a journal
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Speaker 2: with my journo hat on here is that someone who's
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Speaker 2: come from a position like or hate, you don't need
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Speaker 2: to over ask questions of this situation. The best question
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Speaker 2: in that situation is how do you feel, like, tell
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Speaker 2: me what's in here right now? Because you can see
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Speaker 2: the wheels turning in there as he's trying to process
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Speaker 2: this thing that he's been aiming at for so so long,
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Speaker 2: and as you said about the family in the background,
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Speaker 2: so often after the race, he was talking about where
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Speaker 2: he came from, who got him there. I'm so happy
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Speaker 2: for the team. He was quite low on his own
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Speaker 2: list of people to be happy for because he was
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Speaker 2: enjoying seeing other people happy.
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Speaker 3: I can understand it, really, and I wasn't interesting inside. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I wasn't motor GP world champion, but I won a
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Speaker 3: super sport title, and I won Mato GP race and
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Speaker 3: lots of the world superweight races, and people say, oh,
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Speaker 3: you must have been so proud or excited at the time.
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Speaker 3: I can tell you when I won that race in Lemon,
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Speaker 3: I was more happy for all of my crew and
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Speaker 3: the fifty engineers at Suzuki that worked back in Hamamatsu
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Speaker 3: that hadn't won a race in six or seven years,
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Speaker 3: you know, and the effort and everything I was. I
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Speaker 3: was a long way down the list. So I completely
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Speaker 3: understand where he's coming from one hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about du Cati for a second, because
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Speaker 1: how how does this with Juhe my team been the
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Speaker 1: first independent team writer to win the championship.
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Speaker 3: And since so I'm going to fill in that since Rossi.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry, since thank you, But how does it
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Speaker 1: impact you? Caddi? Then, knowing that Jos taken that number
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Speaker 1: one plate and he is going to a Prilier Pramac
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Speaker 1: are leaving as well, going to Yamaha, how does that
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Speaker 1: impact the factory team?
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Speaker 3: That was a big call by Jacaddi. And let's face it,
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Speaker 3: I'm a massive Mark Markez fan, but this was all
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Speaker 3: This all started with Mark Makez wanting to get that
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Speaker 3: factory ride and Jacatti had to make a call. We
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Speaker 3: got three very good riders that could be the number
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Speaker 3: two rider or however you want to call it, Peco's
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Speaker 3: teammate next year. We're going to pick one of them
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Speaker 3: and the other two are going to leave. It's that simple.
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Speaker 3: So who do we pick? Do we pick the eight
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Speaker 3: times world champion Mark Markez, Do we pick Joje Martin,
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Speaker 3: probably the fastest guy in the world at the moment,
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Speaker 3: or do we pick an Ambasiinini who's been a great teammate.
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Speaker 3: So this whole thing is set off there and for
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Speaker 3: Jakati to make that call and it you know, they're
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Speaker 3: the only ones that know all the information and whether
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Speaker 3: they made the right decision or not we'll soon find out,
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Speaker 3: but for that decision to be made and then hate
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Speaker 3: to leave, that was big and I think that's set
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Speaker 3: off Pramak leaving as well. I know the talks were
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Speaker 3: always there with Yamaha, but I think Pramac had they
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Speaker 3: have a lot of respect for Joege Martin as well
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Speaker 3: as Jacadie, and I think that was that was again
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Speaker 3: just the last little thing that set it off. So
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Speaker 3: it's gonna be interesting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember describing it at the time. It was
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Speaker 2: like Marquez A just rolled a hand grenade and said
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Speaker 2: to deal with this because there's no this is the thing,
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Speaker 2: like the way you just laid that out. There's no
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Speaker 2: wrong answers here. They're all correct answers, which is the
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Speaker 2: more correct? And I reckon so much of this is
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Speaker 2: you look, they know who Martin is and how good
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Speaker 2: he is, and he's considerably younger than Mark and all
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Speaker 2: of these things. Can you imagine how much of a
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Speaker 2: pr black eye it would have been if you just go, well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you're pretty good on our bike, and we know you've
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Speaker 2: won six Motor GP world titles, but we're just gonna
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Speaker 2: let you go somewhere else because if that comes back
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Speaker 2: to bite you and you get beaten by the guy
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Speaker 2: you could have had and went no thanks. That is
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Speaker 2: a massive pr.
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Speaker 3: And and like you said, financially, did you Caddy having
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Speaker 3: Mark It's got a it's got to play dividends. And
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Speaker 3: if if they didn't take him, a Prillier or KTM
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Speaker 3: would have taken him because financially it would have been
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Speaker 3: massively beneficial to them and probably result wise beneficial to him.
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Speaker 3: So you're right, there was no there was no wrong
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Speaker 3: answer there and which was which was one? Was more right?
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Speaker 3: But yeah, a Prillier getting that number one play, I
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Speaker 3: reckon I'd almost bet on Joge Martin running the number
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Speaker 3: one next year because of influence from a Prillier more
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Speaker 3: than anything making him run that number one on the bike.
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Speaker 3: We we know how cool the max if.
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Speaker 2: You were him, If you were him, you'd one hundred
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Speaker 2: percent do it. Would you like the ultimate slap in
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Speaker 2: the face of.
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Speaker 3: I think it's brilliant anyway, I think they should be
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Speaker 3: made to run the number one. I think your champion
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Speaker 3: couldn't agree. You know, it was always the Mickdoing days,
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Speaker 3: the Wayne Rainy days, those guys with that big number
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Speaker 3: one on the bike. It's it's just cool. And then
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Speaker 3: you know Casey did it, Nicki, Hayden did it, Lorenzo
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Speaker 3: did it. Rossi was the first guy really not to
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Speaker 3: and then Mark followed in his footsteps. But I think
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Speaker 3: it looks cool. You are number one, You've earned that.
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Speaker 3: You're the only guy that can run that do it.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting. I almost forgot what number
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Speaker 3: Peco Bagnia is because that's what we've seen him the
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Speaker 3: last two years, you know, with that big number one on.
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Speaker 3: So I think Martin should run it. And I'm excited
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Speaker 3: to see how good the aprivier is in the hands
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Speaker 3: of him or someone like him, because let's face it,
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Speaker 3: Maverick Vinalees is not a racer, but he can be
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Speaker 3: the fastest guy on track. And Elisia Spargo the last Cup.
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Speaker 3: He was never going to be a world champion anyway.
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Speaker 3: In the last couple of years. You know, it's degragated,
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Speaker 3: hasn't it. It's slowly gone slower and slowest.
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Speaker 2: So it's so true because I reckon the a prilier thing,
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Speaker 2: like I don't know if we know how fast that
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Speaker 2: by had, thank you, because they haven't had an absolute
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Speaker 2: top tier guy on it because you know Elaish obviously
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Speaker 2: retiring after this race towards the end of his career,
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Speaker 2: and isn't the most Maverick Vignalist thing ever. Mine is
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Speaker 2: that we've had a twenty race season and you'll go, oh,
15:03
Speaker 2: Docadi's awesome this year. Oh, how come they didn't win
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Speaker 2: one Grand Prix? Oh, because Maverick Vignales won it, which
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Speaker 2: is the most Maverick thing of all time. I got
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Speaker 2: it could be anonymous for half the season and then
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Speaker 2: he wins a Grand.
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Speaker 3: I don't even think he scored points in the last
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Speaker 3: race of the year, you know, like score one? Did
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Speaker 3: he did get fifteenth?
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Speaker 2: OK.
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Speaker 3: I know he's battling for it, but it's like wow,
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the Aprier is better than we've seen.
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Speaker 3: It will be interesting to see what someone like Juje
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Speaker 3: Martin can get out of it because his whole Mateojipi,
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Speaker 3: has been on a Jacaddi, so this is going to
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Speaker 3: be a big change for him. But the potential is there.
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Speaker 3: That bike is very very good.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Peco this weekend because pole position won
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Speaker 1: both the sprint and the main Grand Prix. Matt was
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Speaker 1: this one of his better weekends of the year, comparing
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Speaker 1: it to like Magello where he did.
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Speaker 2: Similar right Japan. You know, he's had a few weekends
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Speaker 2: this year where there's a level of just operating with
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Speaker 2: him that he's as close to perfection as you could
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Speaker 2: be and the only person that can beat him is him.
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Speaker 2: And we've seen that a few times this year where
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Speaker 2: he's just on a complete ascent. Was another one. He
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Speaker 2: just absolutely smashed everyone for three straight days. And that's
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Speaker 2: we're going to go back and look at this season
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Speaker 2: and we're going to say, did the double here, did
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Speaker 2: the double here? Did the double here? So this was
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Speaker 2: a weekend where he had to be at his absolute
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Speaker 2: best to even give himself a chance, And there was
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Speaker 2: no doubt from the moment they rolled out on Friday,
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Speaker 2: who was going to win both races quite frankly, because
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Speaker 2: he had everyone under control. It was what had happened
16:35
Speaker 2: the previous time out of Sapang. He said afterwards like
16:37
Speaker 2: he pretty much knew it was over after Sepang, because
16:41
Speaker 2: even on a Martine bad day last year, might have
16:44
Speaker 2: predicted Martin woul dropping ball or just have a ropeie
16:47
Speaker 2: race and the key race for me, and this is
16:49
Speaker 2: going back a little bit Japan. He crashed in qualifying Martine.
16:54
Speaker 2: I think he was like eleventh or twelfth, Like he
16:56
Speaker 2: didn't do a lap in Q two basically, and that
16:58
Speaker 2: was the first time I'm like, ah, is this the
17:01
Speaker 2: weekend where he's on a front running bike and he
17:03
Speaker 2: gets it a bit wrong and he cracks a door
17:06
Speaker 2: open for Peco to come through, and he recovered and
17:08
Speaker 2: got back on podium, and I was like, all right,
17:11
Speaker 2: this is who he is now. And you know, it
17:13
Speaker 2: didn't matter how good bad Yaya was because there were
17:16
Speaker 2: eight DNFs, a lot of them self inflicted, a couple
17:20
Speaker 2: of unlucky ones. He keeps coming back to the Alex
17:22
Speaker 2: Marquez crashing Aragon is the one that really really hurt
17:26
Speaker 2: him because it was such a bad weekend in the
17:27
Speaker 2: context of his season, But there are a lot of
17:29
Speaker 2: them were self inflicted, and he said, you know, you
17:32
Speaker 2: can't win a championship with eight zeros next to your name,
17:34
Speaker 2: no matter how good you've been for the rest of
17:37
Speaker 2: the time. So yeah, massive highs. But he was the
17:40
Speaker 2: kind of the architect of his own demise in a
17:41
Speaker 2: lot of ways.
17:42
Speaker 3: So it's interesting that he comes back to that. Alex
17:45
Speaker 3: Marcus crash, isn't it? And I did speak to someone
17:49
Speaker 3: in race direction. I can't name names, but yeah, I
17:54
Speaker 3: at the time I thought it was more Peco's fault.
17:57
Speaker 3: But after actually seeing some data from the crash, maybe
18:01
Speaker 3: he's coming back to that because he's seen more information
18:03
Speaker 3: that was that was quite There was an intent there
18:07
Speaker 3: that Alex Marquez was not going to let him go
18:09
Speaker 3: past put it that way? Yeah, are you?
18:12
Speaker 2: Are you suggesting there might be some sort of you know,
18:14
Speaker 2: fractious relationship between Camp Marquees and Camp ROSSI of which Benya,
18:18
Speaker 2: what are you saying?
18:20
Speaker 3: And do we reckon? It's going to get even bigger
18:23
Speaker 3: next year?
18:24
Speaker 2: Yes? Oh boy, it's going to be good in it.
18:30
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's not open that kennel worms right now
18:33
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Let's wait till till next year, shall we?
18:36
Speaker 1: But continuing on with Mark Marquez and Ana bas Shanini,
18:40
Speaker 1: we had Matt Burdon obviously last week, like we said,
18:42
Speaker 1: and Matt said that An is going to do whatever
18:45
Speaker 1: he can to clinch third in the championship because Mark
18:48
Speaker 1: is stealing his seat. Unfortunately it didn't quite play out
18:51
Speaker 1: that way. But Saturday's sprint, I don't know about you, guys.
18:54
Speaker 1: I was on the edge of my seat going, noy,
18:57
Speaker 1: what are you doing when he was making those moves
18:59
Speaker 1: on Hoimar. It made it exciting.
19:01
Speaker 3: Though, it did make it exciting, but and look, I
19:04
Speaker 3: think to make passes, that's just the way you've got
19:07
Speaker 3: to be. Joge Martin is that fast and he's on
19:10
Speaker 3: the limit everywhere that it's got to be that close.
19:13
Speaker 3: I mean that that leg dangling out and they clipped feet,
19:16
Speaker 3: didn't they early on in the race. And what's ironic
19:20
Speaker 3: about that is is Joge Martin a couple of grandris
19:22
Speaker 3: ago that said, I think we should ban the leg
19:25
Speaker 3: coming out because there was an incident in a couple
19:28
Speaker 3: of other categories. Wasn't there where where riders have hit
19:30
Speaker 3: the legs dangling out? And I'm that old that I'm
19:34
Speaker 3: pre that era pretty much. But yeah, it's obviously got
19:37
Speaker 3: to get in your ay, I reckon. But yeah, and
19:40
Speaker 3: it was good. It was good to see him make
19:42
Speaker 3: those moves. And he didn't have it for the Grand Prix,
19:45
Speaker 3: which surprised me because I thought I actually put him
19:48
Speaker 3: down to be on the podium in that race and
19:49
Speaker 3: really challenged Mark. That's I thought he had would have
19:52
Speaker 3: the speed for that, but he just made too many mistakes.
19:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. One of the things I did enjoy
19:57
Speaker 2: in the post race, some ungodly hour of the sport.
20:00
Speaker 2: I can't remember at this point, but you know, we've
20:02
Speaker 2: focused so much on who's won the championship and Banyay
20:04
Speaker 2: losing it and what have you. There was this quite
20:06
Speaker 2: amusing little spat between BASTARDEDI and Alex Marquez after the race,
20:11
Speaker 2: and that bastard he was saying, it's not right that
20:15
Speaker 2: Alisha Spargaro got my writers mixed up. It's late or
20:18
Speaker 2: it's early, or it's something. Yeah, and bashid he was saying,
20:21
Speaker 2: what the hell was a Spargaro doing basically playing wingman
20:24
Speaker 2: for Juge Martine. They're not writing for the same manufacturer,
20:27
Speaker 2: they're not even writing for the same team. They're just mates.
20:29
Speaker 2: He's getting in the way and blah blah blah. And
20:31
Speaker 2: a Spargo's comment was to look theatrically down the standings
20:34
Speaker 2: and see Bastidity in seventh or wherever he was, was like,
20:37
Speaker 2: he's down there on a GP twenty four race mate.
20:41
Speaker 2: And it was typically feisty Alaisho and his last race
20:45
Speaker 2: he was true to tight. But that was pretty funny
20:47
Speaker 2: because they were getting into it in those early laps
20:50
Speaker 2: and you knew that they were both doing something for
20:53
Speaker 2: somebody else. Bashially did. He was trying to help out
20:54
Speaker 2: his teammate, and as Spargo is trying to help out
20:57
Speaker 2: his best mate. It was just interesting to see that
20:59
Speaker 2: they were going in.
21:00
Speaker 3: I actually don't even know if Bastini was trying to
21:02
Speaker 3: help his teammate in the fact, trying to help himself
21:04
Speaker 3: and get in front of Mark, you know, or get
21:06
Speaker 3: close to Mark, because there's only a couple of points
21:07
Speaker 3: between them. Wasn't there, but but you're right as Alaisha
21:10
Speaker 3: was there and whether he was or whether that was
21:14
Speaker 3: his pace, I mean, fourth fifth place, that's about what
21:17
Speaker 3: you'd expect from him, right, So yeah, it's interesting though, what.
21:21
Speaker 2: Do you reckon about that though? Because we know that
21:23
Speaker 2: Alasia is really good there, like of all the circuits
21:25
Speaker 2: to get the final race of the season after we
21:28
Speaker 2: didn't go to Valencia Cashalunia was always going to be
21:30
Speaker 2: a place where he goes well because he always goes
21:32
Speaker 2: well there. He even sometimes he remembers how many laps
21:35
Speaker 2: there are to go with the rest to go.
21:37
Speaker 3: But he was always exactly doing an Elasious Bargo or
21:41
Speaker 3: doing a Jake Dixon.
21:42
Speaker 2: Doing an Elasious Barger's. Yeah, I think I think Jake
21:45
Speaker 2: Dixon did an Elasius Burger.
21:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right exactly.
21:48
Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts though as a rider where
21:51
Speaker 2: you know you're not even in the same team and
21:53
Speaker 2: the guys you mate, he's probably gonna win the World championship,
21:55
Speaker 2: he way, should you be getting involved in something like
21:57
Speaker 2: that or is it just kind of, you know, gloves
21:59
Speaker 2: off anything.
22:00
Speaker 3: Look, I think it's gloves off. Anything goes. You're not
22:02
Speaker 3: gonna You're definitely not gonna. You don't want to get
22:06
Speaker 3: involved in the championship. I didn't want to. I was
22:09
Speaker 3: there in six when it was the Rossy Nicky Hayden
22:12
Speaker 3: battle in Valencia and Valentino was in front of me
22:16
Speaker 3: early on in the race and he was struggling. And
22:18
Speaker 3: there's not many times I can ever say in my
22:20
Speaker 3: career that Valentino's holding you up a lot, right, You
22:23
Speaker 3: just it just doesn't happen out of Valencia in that
22:26
Speaker 3: race for whatever reason he was. But I couldn't make
22:30
Speaker 3: a clean move easy, and if I was going to
22:31
Speaker 3: make a move, I wanted to make it very clean
22:33
Speaker 3: because I didn't want to be the guy to touch
22:35
Speaker 3: him or push him wide or get involved.
22:37
Speaker 2: He ended up.
22:38
Speaker 3: Sucking the front and getting out of my way and
22:40
Speaker 3: I could move on after that anyway. But it is
22:43
Speaker 3: you just you just want to I think you just
22:45
Speaker 3: want to be I don't want to get involved in this.
22:47
Speaker 3: I want to do my best race for myself and
22:49
Speaker 3: I've got nothing to do with it, stay out of it.
22:51
Speaker 2: So yeah, you just didn't. You just didn't want to
22:54
Speaker 2: get deported.
22:54
Speaker 3: From it for exactly, and it would happen.
23:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, all right.
23:05
Speaker 1: We had a few writers who that was their final
23:07
Speaker 1: Grand Prix this year. Obviously Alisha Spargaro. He did that
23:10
Speaker 1: really cool slow down lap after the sprint. Was at
23:12
Speaker 1: the sprint where he had his first World Championship bike,
23:15
Speaker 1: and then he had the Alisia Spargaro number two ride
23:20
Speaker 1: his maner GP bike back.
23:21
Speaker 3: I thought that was really notice do you reckon? That
23:23
Speaker 3: was my first thoughts. It's probably his brother, right, it
23:25
Speaker 3: was probably Paul. I don't know. I didn't.
23:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the same. So I did read about this.
23:30
Speaker 2: It was one of the guys in crew that had
23:34
Speaker 2: been doing some filming days as Elash, so we actually
23:38
Speaker 2: had the overalls and the helmet, and so they'd set
23:41
Speaker 2: it up to do this, but only if Martin didn't
23:44
Speaker 2: win the championship on Saturday. So it was like this
23:46
Speaker 2: guy was like literally off hiding somewhere with the overalls on,
23:49
Speaker 2: ready to jump out with the one two five. But
23:52
Speaker 2: it's like, but if if Jorge wins the championship and
23:54
Speaker 2: Elaisia's in the celebrations, then we just won't do it.
23:56
Speaker 2: So it was very much let's just see.
23:58
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.
23:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had the stunt double prepared.
24:02
Speaker 3: Cool, that's really cool.
24:03
Speaker 1: I like that because there's that there's a film that's
24:06
Speaker 1: getting made currently that they're in production for a Moto
24:09
Speaker 1: GP or a Moto three film that a friend of
24:11
Speaker 1: mine at Empty Helmets Team is doing a lot of
24:13
Speaker 1: filming with, so I wonder if maybe this is where
24:15
Speaker 1: it's all coming in. That's why the stunt double was
24:18
Speaker 1: on the sidelines ready to go. But Alisha's finished for
24:21
Speaker 1: the year or retiring. Augusto Fernandez is also retiring Takanak
24:25
Speaker 1: and Gami is also retiring from Moto GP. But that
24:29
Speaker 1: makes way for some newcomers next year. I think that
24:33
Speaker 1: I'm excited for fresh blood, but I'm also excited to
24:37
Speaker 1: see what Pedro Acosta can do next year. On the KTM,
24:40
Speaker 1: let's talk about his year so far, because they started
24:44
Speaker 1: off well and we're thinking he's going to get that podium.
24:46
Speaker 1: Then he got it. We're going he's going to get
24:47
Speaker 1: that victory, and it never quite eventuated to the top, right,
24:51
Speaker 1: But what's your take on on Pedro this year, Chris,
24:54
Speaker 1: how do you think he's performed.
24:55
Speaker 3: I think he reminds me of I don't know what
24:58
Speaker 3: year was, twenty thirteen, ten eleven years when young Mark
25:00
Speaker 3: Marquez came into the championship. It's just that Pedro didn't
25:04
Speaker 3: have a bike that was capable of being competitive on
25:07
Speaker 3: all the time. Really, But look, he gave it to
25:10
Speaker 3: he gave it to Miller, he gave it to Binda,
25:12
Speaker 3: he gave it to Fernandez. Most races didn't he He made
25:16
Speaker 3: a lot of mistakes, but I mean, you've got to
25:18
Speaker 3: get used to those mitchell and tires, you gotta get
25:19
Speaker 3: used to those electronics, you gotta get you know, all
25:22
Speaker 3: the things that come with mato gip riding. But yeah,
25:24
Speaker 3: he was it was pretty cool to watch. It was.
25:26
Speaker 3: It was spectacular at times. It was very very fast
25:30
Speaker 3: most of the time, but learning to manage tires and
25:33
Speaker 3: things like that were his downfall and we saw that
25:35
Speaker 3: in the last racing Valencia there still you know, he
25:38
Speaker 3: faded more than anyone else really, so there's a lot
25:41
Speaker 3: of work to be done there. It's and that's the
25:43
Speaker 3: thing with Matogpit. It's not about just going fast. It's
25:46
Speaker 3: about going fast with using less tire where with using
25:49
Speaker 3: less fuel with you know, there's lots of things to
25:51
Speaker 3: play with. So he's got work to do. But he's
25:54
Speaker 3: definitely exciting and I love the character. He just doesn't care.
25:57
Speaker 3: He doesn't care about anyone else. He wants to go
25:59
Speaker 3: and win races. He wants to get in fights, he
26:01
Speaker 3: wants to have battles. It's gonna be interesting because I
26:04
Speaker 3: think firm and Aldergare is a good mate of his
26:06
Speaker 3: and they grew up together. And he's coming in on
26:08
Speaker 3: a Jucati next year, so a lot of people saying
26:12
Speaker 3: aldergaer Is is fast. He's as fast as a Costa
26:16
Speaker 3: as a young kid, so that could be interesting a
26:18
Speaker 3: young guy on the Jucadi. And then we obviously got
26:21
Speaker 3: Aagura and Somkia Chantri coming in as well, so who
26:24
Speaker 3: knows what they're going to do.
26:26
Speaker 2: I reckon Agura is a sneaky, awesome sighting for a
26:31
Speaker 2: Prillier because it was so interesting, even like watching him
26:34
Speaker 2: race the Motor Tide race in Barcelona last night. He
26:38
Speaker 2: is so unbelievably good on the breaks. He just he
26:41
Speaker 2: rides in a certain way where he gives you absolutely nothing.
26:45
Speaker 2: And it's a really calm starting point for an Aprillia
26:48
Speaker 2: team that you look at those four apriliers next year,
26:51
Speaker 2: ral Fernandez is the only one of their riders coming
26:54
Speaker 2: back year on year, and I am still shaking my
26:58
Speaker 2: head as to how ral Fernandez keeps a job, thank you.
27:01
Speaker 2: Ever since everything, yeah, ever since he came in after
27:03
Speaker 2: the Moto two season against Remy and obviously Remy won
27:06
Speaker 2: that championship, I just don't get it.
27:08
Speaker 3: I think Remy Gardner should have kept the ride before him.
27:11
Speaker 3: There's plenty of people that he's been teammates with that
27:14
Speaker 3: should have had the ride. I agree, And I don't
27:16
Speaker 3: know what photo of who he's got that he that
27:19
Speaker 3: he puts out to keep his ride or whatever he does,
27:21
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, Ralph Fernandez is a guy that is
27:25
Speaker 3: on borrow time, I think. But you're right for mea
27:29
Speaker 3: when was the last time you saw a Japanese rider
27:32
Speaker 3: make his debut on on a not on a Japanese
27:36
Speaker 3: motors you know, yeah, yeah, or back in the day
27:40
Speaker 3: a Suzuki or Kawasaki or anything.
27:42
Speaker 2: But what are they?
27:45
Speaker 3: That shows where the Japanese manufacturers are right now? And
27:48
Speaker 3: he knew it was not going to be very good
27:49
Speaker 3: for his career because Honda wanted him twelve months ago
27:52
Speaker 3: and he held off, and he held off, and he's
27:55
Speaker 3: gone to ride in a Primer, which is well, it's
27:57
Speaker 3: not a Jacaddy, But I mean he didn't want to
27:59
Speaker 3: get on a police.
28:00
Speaker 2: Bike and you can't blame him either. And you look
28:03
Speaker 2: at the guys coming in, like you mentioned Aldegare before,
28:05
Speaker 2: because he's alger is a young, big kid, like he's
28:08
Speaker 2: going to be much more suited to a motor GP bikes.
28:10
Speaker 2: He's been big for a motor two bike. Chantra is
28:12
Speaker 2: going to be spectacular sometimes will crash a lot, got
28:18
Speaker 2: a massive got a massive personality, like he's going to
28:20
Speaker 2: be somewhere that gets a lot of headlines. I reckon
28:23
Speaker 2: Aguru is just going to be the guy in the background,
28:25
Speaker 2: just methodically, metronomically churning out and you look up and go, huh.
28:29
Speaker 2: He's just finished in the top ten for four straight
28:32
Speaker 2: races and we've barely seen him on the coverage exactly.
28:34
Speaker 2: He's just there and he builds and he doesn't make mistakes.
28:38
Speaker 2: I think he's a really good addition there because the
28:40
Speaker 2: Fernandez things a bit of a question mark for me.
28:42
Speaker 2: And then in the factory team you've got Martine and Betzeki,
28:45
Speaker 2: neither of whom have written in Aprilia before. So he
28:48
Speaker 2: might be that young, calm guy that they can throw
28:50
Speaker 2: a lot of development at as he gets used to
28:52
Speaker 2: motor GP and he can methodically pick his way through it.
28:54
Speaker 2: Because they're a massive unknown for next year. Obviously they've
28:57
Speaker 2: got the world champion riding for them, but there's no
28:59
Speaker 2: ex experience with this bike, so it's an interesting one
29:02
Speaker 2: for them.
29:02
Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting come Tuesday test.
29:05
Speaker 2: Oh boy, what's what I want to ask?
29:07
Speaker 1: What was your thoughts on Bazeki going to a Prillian.
29:09
Speaker 1: Do you think that that bike's gonna suit him? Because
29:13
Speaker 1: and the whole team change as well. Because he's been
29:15
Speaker 1: with VR forty six for forever.
29:16
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I don't know about the team change. Sometimes
29:20
Speaker 3: that can be a good thing, sometimes not. But it's
29:22
Speaker 3: going to be interesting to see how he adapts. Obviously,
29:26
Speaker 3: let me get this right. He rode a GP twenty
29:29
Speaker 3: two and he was extremely fast, and then he got
29:32
Speaker 3: a GP twenty three. Is he go twenty three? Yeah,
29:35
Speaker 3: he's got twenty three like Mark is on and they
29:38
Speaker 3: say that bike was good, but with mitchell entire change
29:42
Speaker 3: that they came with a new retire this year made
29:44
Speaker 3: that GP twenty three really really hard to ride, and
29:47
Speaker 3: only a couple of guys sort of could get their
29:50
Speaker 3: head around it. Mark was one, Alex on occasion, Fabio
29:53
Speaker 3: dig'antonio a bit more. But Bez just could not get
29:58
Speaker 3: He could not change his riding styles get his head
30:00
Speaker 3: around it. So it's whether he suits the style of
30:03
Speaker 3: the Privia. I think. I think bes is really fast,
30:06
Speaker 3: but maybe he's not a guy that can adapt himself
30:08
Speaker 3: to suit a motorcycle.
30:10
Speaker 2: So yeah, gonna be interesting completely right, Like, yeah, he
30:12
Speaker 2: is fast, but maybe there's like a narrow sort of
30:14
Speaker 2: operating window where he's fast. Ye, So yeah, the twenty
30:17
Speaker 2: two like you were saying. He was fantastic last year
30:19
Speaker 2: in a third the Championship, winning Grand Prix, but the
30:22
Speaker 2: moment things got a little bit outside of that operating window,
30:25
Speaker 2: he saw him really fall back this year. I thought
30:27
Speaker 2: he was one of the more disappointing riders this year.
30:30
Speaker 2: I rate De jan Antonio really highly. I think he's
30:33
Speaker 2: quite underrated, and I think he will win Grand Prix
30:36
Speaker 2: next year. To Janitor, he's going to be on. That'd
30:38
Speaker 2: be an absolutely suit.
30:39
Speaker 3: I reckon. I'd go for a pick with that because
30:41
Speaker 3: he's going to be on a twenty five at JUP
30:42
Speaker 3: twenty five. He pulled out a couple of races earlier
30:45
Speaker 3: this year to get that shoulder fixed. He said it
30:47
Speaker 3: just kept popping out of place and you just need
30:50
Speaker 3: to get that sorted. And he's ready to go, get
30:53
Speaker 3: ready and ready to go. Yep.
30:55
Speaker 2: I reckon he's a sneaky top five for the championship
30:58
Speaker 2: next year. That you go, there's my bold prediction.
30:59
Speaker 3: I like it.
31:01
Speaker 1: Get it in early. Then Matt let's touch on Jack
31:04
Speaker 1: Miller's season really quickly as well, because it's been a
31:07
Speaker 1: rollercoaster for the thriller Miller and obviously departing to my
31:11
Speaker 1: favorite place, Pramaha. I had to get it in there.
31:14
Speaker 1: If you're listening, take a shot there you go, I say,
31:16
Speaker 1: Pramaha a lot.
31:17
Speaker 3: Chris, Okay, you're wondering. It's my word.
31:20
Speaker 1: But what's your take on on Jack's time at KTM
31:23
Speaker 1: and in his season this year.
31:25
Speaker 3: Look, I think initially when he signed for KDM, I
31:28
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's a step backwards from the Jacadi
31:31
Speaker 3: And then Jack and his crew that came over with him,
31:35
Speaker 3: they really I think they really took something to KTM
31:38
Speaker 3: and they stepped it up. And the early part of
31:42
Speaker 3: the start of his career there was good as a
31:44
Speaker 3: couple of podiums, it was challenging for podiums. A bad
31:47
Speaker 3: weekend was like six or seventh. You know, Jack was strong,
31:51
Speaker 3: but then Brad really overtook him. And then coming into
31:54
Speaker 3: this year, a Costa's overtaken him as well, and for
31:57
Speaker 3: whatever reason, Jack hasn't been able to get any further forward.
32:01
Speaker 3: So it's like it was stalemate. I mean, there was
32:03
Speaker 3: a couple of races where they were better than others,
32:06
Speaker 3: but realistically he just he's just struggled with little things
32:10
Speaker 3: on and off. So it's a shame because I'm I
32:13
Speaker 3: like Jack and we want an Aussie in the championship
32:15
Speaker 3: and we want a strong Aussie. But yeah, it hasn't
32:18
Speaker 3: been hasn't been successful and that's why he got let
32:21
Speaker 3: go unfortunately from there. But at least he's on the
32:24
Speaker 3: in the field next year.
32:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been pretty honest about it, like he's
32:28
Speaker 2: been super disappointed, you know, from their side and from
32:31
Speaker 2: his side with the way it's gone. And you know,
32:32
Speaker 2: we spoke to him obviously Ronda a while before Philip Island.
32:36
Speaker 2: He was saying he thought maybe this would be his
32:37
Speaker 2: last one. I think if it wasn't for this very
32:40
Speaker 2: specific job description with Pramaha take another shot and everybody
32:45
Speaker 2: the fact that he's going there where Yamaha need guys
32:48
Speaker 2: have experienced with other manufacturers and just experience on the grid,
32:51
Speaker 2: and that's why they've gone with that Oliver Miller lineup
32:54
Speaker 2: because you've kind of got the best of both worlds.
32:55
Speaker 2: They've got every other manufacturer covered, ye and Yamaha right
32:59
Speaker 2: now need heaps and heaps of data to try and
33:02
Speaker 2: get that bike right. The problem for Jack almost and
33:06
Speaker 2: I think if he does his job too well, I
33:07
Speaker 2: think he'll be out at the end of next year,
33:09
Speaker 2: irrespective of how well he goes, because they're not really
33:12
Speaker 2: trying to progress that bike for him or for Oliver. Really,
33:14
Speaker 2: they want the next young guy to come in and
33:16
Speaker 2: take it and be the guy that backs up Rins
33:19
Speaker 2: and Quaero. They don't want a bunch of guys in
33:21
Speaker 2: the same age profile. They'll try and bring some younger
33:24
Speaker 2: guy through once the bike's up to it. So Jack
33:27
Speaker 2: serves a very specific need for them. But you know,
33:30
Speaker 2: him and Oliver are similar age, similar stage of their careers,
33:33
Speaker 2: both very experienced. But Oliver is on two year contract.
33:36
Speaker 2: Jack's on one. So that's the key thing for me,
33:39
Speaker 2: Like Jack needs, Jack needs a massive verse five or
33:42
Speaker 2: six races next year if he's going to have any
33:44
Speaker 2: chance to stay on the grid for twenty six, because
33:47
Speaker 2: on results alone, he probably doesn't deserve to be there
33:50
Speaker 2: next year. But he feels a very specific job skill set.
33:54
Speaker 3: He's almost like he's almost like a permanent racer test
33:57
Speaker 3: driver in a way. You know, oh yeah, and why
34:02
Speaker 3: not take it if you if you want, if that's
34:04
Speaker 3: what you want to do. And I think Jack realizes that,
34:07
Speaker 3: and and the role might turn into Yamaha's testrata if
34:11
Speaker 3: he does, if he does the role perfectly. But I
34:13
Speaker 3: agree with you, Matt, I don't. Jack's gonna have to
34:17
Speaker 3: really do something special. He's gonna have to be on
34:19
Speaker 3: corduro Pace in the first few Grand Prix of next
34:22
Speaker 3: year to keep it right, I reckon for twenty six Yeah, yeah, agreed.
34:27
Speaker 1: If you didn't watch yesterday's Grand Prix, just to fee
34:29
Speaker 1: you in. Unfortunately, John Mire crashed. I know, surprise, surprise there.
34:34
Speaker 1: We weren't expecting that, were we.
34:36
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that poor guy.
34:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, poor Honda. I mean, just to like cap off
34:43
Speaker 1: the rest of the field. No real changes to Honda.
34:47
Speaker 1: We saw a glimpse of hope from Zako after in
34:50
Speaker 1: those flyaway rounds, and we saw him progressing, But it
34:52
Speaker 1: seems like he's Honda's star pupil now right.
34:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, yea one hundred percent. And when you know, talking
34:59
Speaker 3: to a few guys, all all four Hondas are identical
35:01
Speaker 3: or supposedly get the same support tech support. So the
35:05
Speaker 3: repsol ones aren't ahead of the LCR bikes by any means.
35:08
Speaker 3: Apparently things come out and I mean Nakagami fastest in
35:14
Speaker 3: FP one at Barcelon. I was like, wow, what's going on?
35:17
Speaker 3: You don't want to get you don't want to stop
35:19
Speaker 3: now tackle Like, what's what's happening? You can just still
35:21
Speaker 3: at speed and Zako making it straight through to Q two.
35:25
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's where it ended. But yeah, you're right.
35:28
Speaker 3: From a Honda point of view, I've always rated Jo
35:30
Speaker 3: and Zarka. I really like the guy and I'm a
35:34
Speaker 3: fan of his of his writing ability, so it's been
35:37
Speaker 3: good to see what he can do. But yeah, from
35:40
Speaker 3: from my side, Mir and Marini really need to pick
35:42
Speaker 3: up their game. They've got to be in front of Zako.
35:45
Speaker 3: But I mean Honda, Honda's got to pick up their game.
35:49
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is, it's just it's funny. It's funny.
35:54
Speaker 3: If you don't watch a whole weekend and you only
35:57
Speaker 3: to tune in for the race, you forget what a
35:58
Speaker 3: repsol Honda looks like because you don't see it. So true,
36:02
Speaker 3: you don't see it. And that used to be the
36:04
Speaker 3: go to motorcycle, like from you know, the nineties when
36:08
Speaker 3: Dowan was riding them right through. So yeah, it's unreal and.
36:12
Speaker 2: To show you how to show you how far it's
36:13
Speaker 2: fallen as well. We don't get to say Repsol Hondre
36:15
Speaker 2: anymore because there is no such things as of right now,
36:18
Speaker 2: it doesn't exist. And how many times are we going
36:20
Speaker 2: to say or I'm going to write that. Next year,
36:22
Speaker 2: I'll write it and go no, just do it.
36:24
Speaker 3: It's just shorthand, Well it is what nineteen ninety five, Yeah,
36:28
Speaker 3: you know, Mickdwan was world champion on a Repsol Honda
36:31
Speaker 3: for the first time, you know, and right through to
36:34
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. It's thirty years of racing.
36:36
Speaker 2: So yes, here's the stat for both of you. I'm
36:38
Speaker 2: just looking at these ridiculous assortment of numbers that I
36:41
Speaker 2: keep over there. This is this is what gets me
36:45
Speaker 2: out of bed the morning. So there were two riders
36:48
Speaker 2: that had double figured DNFs this year. Augusto Fernandez had ten,
36:52
Speaker 2: Juan Mia had fifteen DNFs. Yep, fifteen. That's more than
36:57
Speaker 2: Martine and Banolt put together. And yeah that's that. Poor
37:01
Speaker 2: the guy's got the crash writer. Okay, graphic that gets
37:04
Speaker 2: put up at least three times a weekend. Yeah, poor Jois.
37:07
Speaker 2: I think he's of all the guys ready to see
37:09
Speaker 2: the back of the season. I reckon he's time.
37:10
Speaker 3: And I mean when that guy was on the Suzuki,
37:12
Speaker 3: he was missed consistency. He won the championship by winning
37:15
Speaker 3: one Grand Prix, you know, like he just would put
37:18
Speaker 3: away and always finish races and hardly ever crashed. So
37:22
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, he just cannot get on with that Honda.
37:25
Speaker 2: But I kind of admire it to some degree because
37:28
Speaker 2: Marine's clearly made the decision. It's like, well, I'm not
37:30
Speaker 2: going to hurt myself. Probably I'll probably be slower and
37:34
Speaker 2: score a fewer points, but at least I'm going to
37:35
Speaker 2: finish some races and not hurt go home and yeah, yeah, yeah, correct.
37:41
Speaker 2: And Mer is just like this guy just like yelling
37:43
Speaker 2: at a cloud. It's like, no, this can be better,
37:45
Speaker 2: and he just tries and tries and tries. They're the
37:46
Speaker 2: same big ames every time.
37:48
Speaker 1: Matt. Have you had any rumors of who is replacing
37:51
Speaker 1: Repsol as the title sponsor at HRC.
37:54
Speaker 2: No. The last I heard is it might be a
37:57
Speaker 2: Castrol thing, so it will be another fuel lubricants type deal.
38:01
Speaker 2: But then they've they've had some involvement with ELCR in
38:03
Speaker 2: the past, so that they might have to Chris, you
38:07
Speaker 2: don't have Luccio Roles. I'll probably go to Luccio and
38:08
Speaker 2: say we'd like to take one of your sponsors please,
38:10
Speaker 2: and Lucia will save sure, here's what it costs.
38:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right, you know, but look, I'll move
38:16
Speaker 3: the I'll move the decimal cats over a little bit. Castrol,
38:19
Speaker 3: I've at a type with Honda for a long time
38:20
Speaker 3: though they were I rode for Castrol Honda in World
38:23
Speaker 3: Supersport in two thousand two and one. I mean they
38:25
Speaker 3: were around with the Edwards, Aaron slight days, some cool liveries.
38:29
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's gonna be interesting Honda. It's it's a
38:33
Speaker 3: funny one. Financially, I don't know the numbers ins and outs,
38:37
Speaker 3: but I can I can bet you that Repsol don't
38:40
Speaker 3: chuck in a lot of money. Ninety five percent or
38:42
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of that budget probably comes from HRC directly,
38:46
Speaker 3: So they might just go with a full Honda livery
38:50
Speaker 3: or they did it in ninety four with doing it
38:52
Speaker 3: worked out all right.
38:53
Speaker 2: That ye, well, as you just said before, it almost
38:55
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what color they paint the bike because you
38:57
Speaker 2: didn't see no anyway.
38:58
Speaker 3: That's right, exactly, exactly true.
39:02
Speaker 1: Let's move on to Moto too. We touched on it
39:05
Speaker 1: a little bit with Ayagura, but Aaron Connett, he wasn't
39:09
Speaker 1: the bridesmaid this time. He did win the final round
39:12
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, but we were talking during the
39:15
Speaker 1: race and obviously Sena age is good qualifying. He got
39:19
Speaker 1: up the front early on, but just chew through those
39:21
Speaker 1: tires and what away for him to finish the season.
39:23
Speaker 1: But for a rookie season, I feel like he's done
39:25
Speaker 1: really well, managed to get on the podium, had some
39:27
Speaker 1: solid top ten performances throughout the year, so I think
39:30
Speaker 1: it's been a good ride from the Aussie Yeah.
39:32
Speaker 3: I was impressed. I didn't know Sena at all. Met
39:34
Speaker 3: him at Philip Island, spent fabut of time with him
39:37
Speaker 3: over the weekend, jogged the track on Wednesday, a few
39:40
Speaker 3: different things and impressive young fella, very driven, knows what
39:45
Speaker 3: he wants and that podium at Philipollum was sensational. But yes,
39:49
Speaker 3: some of the rides this year have been really impressive
39:51
Speaker 3: and that's what a rookie season's about. I mean there
39:54
Speaker 3: were circuits for him to learn this year. It's you know,
39:57
Speaker 3: putting it all together easy and Yeah, fingers crossed. They
40:02
Speaker 3: can move forward staying with the same team. It's not
40:04
Speaker 3: going to be husked Vanner branded, but the intact team
40:07
Speaker 3: is staying there, and yeah, it should be good next year.
40:10
Speaker 2: And even things like the cadence of the calendar, like
40:13
Speaker 2: you can't prepare yourself until you get to World Championship
40:15
Speaker 2: to do seven races in nine weekends and five of
40:19
Speaker 2: those seven are flyways, like things like that. When you've
40:22
Speaker 2: not done it before and you're getting used to these
40:24
Speaker 2: tracks and the category and everything else, that takes a toll.
40:27
Speaker 2: And so he'll be so much better for the run
40:29
Speaker 2: next year.
40:30
Speaker 3: I reckon percent really really impressive from him. Yeah, looking
40:34
Speaker 3: forward to it.
40:36
Speaker 1: I have to touch on Sergio Garcia's season though, because
40:40
Speaker 1: started off on such a high, didn't it, and then
40:44
Speaker 1: just out of nowhere, it just seems like you fell back.
40:46
Speaker 1: And I think I touched on this on a podcast
40:48
Speaker 1: earlier in the year where I was like, it seems
40:50
Speaker 1: like all that talk of the possible motor GP ride
40:52
Speaker 1: kind of got to his head. And I don't know
40:55
Speaker 1: if that impacted things or possibilities or changes or whatnot,
40:59
Speaker 1: but man, I feel for him because that was so
41:01
Speaker 1: long where he was leading the championship, wasn't he and
41:03
Speaker 1: then got overtaken and then all of a sudden.
41:06
Speaker 2: He dropped out.
41:06
Speaker 1: I think he finished third or fourth in the championship
41:09
Speaker 1: in the end.
41:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I was him or someone that manages him,
41:13
Speaker 3: I would be straight on the phone to hold mutt
41:16
Speaker 3: in and find out who that mental coach was and
41:18
Speaker 3: get that sorted in this offseason.
41:21
Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't agree that's the issue.
41:23
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, this the guy is fast and he
41:25
Speaker 3: was very fast to study. There's got to be it's
41:27
Speaker 3: got to be away of getting getting that sorted, you know.
41:30
Speaker 3: If that is the case, yep.
41:33
Speaker 1: And Moto three to round it out, David Alonzo and
41:38
Speaker 1: we say, there's every race that we met. If you
41:40
Speaker 1: watch Moto GP, make sure you watch the Moto three
41:43
Speaker 1: pick a three racing because it is some of the best.
41:46
Speaker 2: I was on the edge of my seat once again.
41:49
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys says they're overtaking and they're passing.
41:52
Speaker 1: But David Alonzo, what a talent.
41:54
Speaker 3: I'm so excited to watch him and what he's going
41:56
Speaker 3: to do in Motto two next year. You know. But
41:59
Speaker 3: did he correct me? If I was at twelve or
42:01
Speaker 3: thirteen races, fourteen in the closest category that we have.
42:09
Speaker 3: It's but he just has the ability to sit in
42:15
Speaker 3: the group and then with three or four laps to
42:17
Speaker 3: go make his way to the front. And then he
42:20
Speaker 3: is just so good off the turn that he doesn't
42:22
Speaker 3: allow the guys to get up beside him, and he's
42:24
Speaker 3: strong enough on the brakes, and then he turns it
42:25
Speaker 3: a little bit better than everyone else. He's just we've
42:29
Speaker 3: got to remember the rest of these guys are the
42:31
Speaker 3: best riders in the world. But what he can do
42:34
Speaker 3: on that machine, it's sensational. Needless to say. He does
42:39
Speaker 3: training away from the track with Mark Marquez. I mean
42:43
Speaker 3: the guy, he's a star of the future. He is.
42:46
Speaker 3: He is your next one for sure.
42:48
Speaker 2: What's interesting is I was talking to a few people
42:50
Speaker 2: in the lead up to Philip Island. They were saying,
42:52
Speaker 2: the bigger the bikes get, the better he's going to
42:54
Speaker 2: be because his sort of supernatural talent. Compared to the rest.
42:58
Speaker 2: He's awesome on the breaks, which in Moto three is
43:01
Speaker 2: not such a big thing as it's all slipstreaming and
43:03
Speaker 2: light bikes. When you've got a bigger, heavier, bike, and
43:05
Speaker 2: you've got to get it stopped. That's when they reckon.
43:07
Speaker 2: He's going to really come into his own. But here's
43:09
Speaker 2: one for you, Chris. I was talking to Ronita last
43:11
Speaker 2: night when that race was going on. So every rider
43:14
Speaker 2: in every World Championship category this year, do you realize
43:16
Speaker 2: there's only three riders in the entire paddock that have
43:19
Speaker 2: won more Grand Prix in the World Championship than Alozzo
43:23
Speaker 2: has after two years of Moto three Maverick Vinalez, Mark Marquez,
43:27
Speaker 2: Pecavagnaya Alonso has won eighteen Grand Prix in two years.
43:32
Speaker 2: Nobody else in any World Championship category has won more,
43:35
Speaker 2: and I thought that cannot be right, so I went
43:37
Speaker 2: and checked he's won more World Championship races and Jue
43:40
Speaker 2: Martin has No way World Championship races in an abasity
43:43
Speaker 2: and he has. He's won eighteen Grand Prix in two years.
43:46
Speaker 3: No way. That is undelievable. He's the most winning Motor
43:51
Speaker 3: three rider of all time, isn't he most.
43:53
Speaker 2: Of the season and he's on two seasons two seas.
43:56
Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable that ASPA team doational thing with young riders.
44:01
Speaker 3: They always have, you know, from right back when Alvaro
44:05
Speaker 3: Artista was in there in the early two thousands, all
44:08
Speaker 3: the way through. Yeah, they just they just do such
44:11
Speaker 3: a good job with young, young guys and they've obviously
44:13
Speaker 3: got an extreme talent here, and he's just a good
44:17
Speaker 3: young kid. He's just got to smile on his face
44:18
Speaker 3: all the time. He's happy, he's loving what he's doing,
44:20
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's gonna be exciting to see what he
44:23
Speaker 3: can do on the bigger bike next year.
44:26
Speaker 1: We have to touch on our Aussie riders though. Jacob Rulestone.
44:30
Speaker 1: After a very not the best second half of the season,
44:34
Speaker 1: he seemed to bring the bike home in P eight,
44:37
Speaker 1: which is phenomenal for the young rookie rookie first year
44:40
Speaker 1: again in the World Championship, and we spoke about this
44:43
Speaker 1: earlier din We Matt where how Jacob seemed to start
44:46
Speaker 1: the year off really well and then the end of
44:48
Speaker 1: the season seemed to tip down and it's like the
44:50
Speaker 1: opposite of what we expected from a rookie ye roto GP,
44:53
Speaker 1: we thought that it'd take him while to find his feet,
44:55
Speaker 1: but honestly, that's start of the year. He was solid
44:58
Speaker 1: top ten performances, battling with the leading group.
45:02
Speaker 3: I was really.
45:02
Speaker 1: Impressed with jac and I'm excited to see how he goes.
45:05
Speaker 1: Same thing with Donner. He's back in that same team
45:07
Speaker 1: for next year. I think he knows that he's understand
45:10
Speaker 1: he's done one whole lap. Now let's go for fighting
45:13
Speaker 1: for the wins or podiums at least next year.
45:16
Speaker 3: Right, you said it, right, And so I think he's
45:19
Speaker 3: he excelled expectations at the start of the year and
45:24
Speaker 3: then the end of the year probably didn't get as
45:26
Speaker 3: well as we thought. But an eighth to finish the
45:28
Speaker 3: season is quite strong. But the team Tech three is
45:32
Speaker 3: a great team. There's a lot of experience there and
45:35
Speaker 3: it's really it's a good sign that they wanted to
45:38
Speaker 3: keep him for next year, so they obviously see potential
45:40
Speaker 3: and they see growth there. So again, great young fella,
45:45
Speaker 3: and I think, yeah, the future is right there, So
45:48
Speaker 3: fingers crossed he can get that sorted.
45:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
45:50
Speaker 3: The others Joel Kelso, well, Joel's been there a few years,
45:53
Speaker 3: hasn't he. And he's had again an up and down
45:54
Speaker 3: season pole positions, challenging quite often in the front group,
45:59
Speaker 3: but just lacking that little bit to be a constant
46:03
Speaker 3: Grand Prix podium challenger, so he's gonna be in the
46:07
Speaker 3: championship again next year. So we've got Twosi's there, So
46:09
Speaker 3: fingers crossed Joel can can find something.
46:13
Speaker 1: Chris, I wanted to ask you. We often talk about this.
46:15
Speaker 1: It seems like Joel's mid race pace just drops off.
46:19
Speaker 1: What do you think that is or why do you
46:21
Speaker 1: think that is?
46:22
Speaker 3: I got I can't tell you exactly.
46:25
Speaker 2: I don't know.
46:27
Speaker 3: It's obviously something that's constant with him or the bike
46:30
Speaker 3: set up or the team, something they've got to work on.
46:33
Speaker 2: You know.
46:34
Speaker 3: I imagine that Joel is just lacking that tenth of
46:38
Speaker 3: a second a lap compared to the other guys, So
46:41
Speaker 3: he has to push that little bit harder early on
46:44
Speaker 3: to sit with the group, and then when those guys
46:47
Speaker 3: picked that pace up that one or two tenths, he
46:50
Speaker 3: just doesn't have that little bit extra to go and
46:53
Speaker 3: so he's just lacking that little bit, whether, like I say,
46:55
Speaker 3: whether it's machine set up, whether it's a writing style thing,
46:58
Speaker 3: whether there's something that he's got to be able to
47:01
Speaker 3: find and manage there. But it is quite consistent, isn't it.
47:04
Speaker 3: It's a lot of Grand prize it happens so yeah,
47:07
Speaker 3: fingers crossed. You can work on that and find something
47:09
Speaker 3: for the future.
47:12
Speaker 1: Well, before we wrap things up, Matt, you did give
47:14
Speaker 1: us a little spicy bold prediction earlier. But from you both,
47:19
Speaker 1: who are you most excited for or what are you
47:21
Speaker 1: excited for to see Tuesday's test or next year in
47:24
Speaker 1: Moto GP, Let's go for the MotoGP category.
47:27
Speaker 3: Oh, you can go first. Mark, think about this one.
47:33
Speaker 2: There's a lot, Yeah, because you've got so much change.
47:35
Speaker 2: I mean it's twelve twelve out of the twenty two
47:37
Speaker 2: on this year's greet to either stepping out or stepping
47:39
Speaker 2: into new garages on Tuesday in Barcelona. It's a massive
47:43
Speaker 2: amount of change. I think it was six or seven
47:45
Speaker 2: last year. For context, it's almost double. But we haven't
47:49
Speaker 2: had a super team like Marquees Badyay, Like this is
47:53
Speaker 2: going to be absolute box office When you think, do
47:56
Speaker 2: you Cati probably the best bike, certainly the best team. Yeah,
48:02
Speaker 2: you've got all of the varying sides of the Italy, Spain,
48:05
Speaker 2: Marquez Rossi stuff coming together in the same garage. Mark's
48:08
Speaker 2: going into Peco's domain.
48:11
Speaker 3: This is two thousand and nine Rossi, Lorenzo. You could
48:15
Speaker 3: nearly be saying the same things, couldn't.
48:17
Speaker 2: You Yeah, one hundred percent are going to are we
48:19
Speaker 2: going to have a wall down the middle of the
48:20
Speaker 2: garage back in the day. But watching one of the
48:24
Speaker 2: things I've really enjoyed this year is Mark sort of
48:26
Speaker 2: in his own head, has got the answer to is
48:28
Speaker 2: it me or is it the machinery because he wasn't
48:31
Speaker 2: sure when he was at Hondo, like do I still
48:33
Speaker 2: have this or not because the Honda had a hard
48:35
Speaker 2: ceiling on it. Seeing him on that bike, Oh boy,
48:39
Speaker 2: that's going to be matt. I can't wait to see
48:41
Speaker 2: that in twenty twenty five. That's my storyline. But I've
48:44
Speaker 2: now given you at least ninety seconds of padding Chris
48:46
Speaker 2: to actually think, oh, yeah.
48:47
Speaker 3: No, no, I wasn't. I was excited with your comment,
48:49
Speaker 3: and that is a big one for me and Mark's. Obviously,
48:52
Speaker 3: there's going to be so much talk about all these
48:54
Speaker 3: personal sponsors that are changing, you know, between you know,
48:57
Speaker 3: what the factory team have in his personal ones and
49:00
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. There's lots to talk about that. Yeah,
49:02
Speaker 3: I think in the test we're not going to see
49:04
Speaker 3: a lot because I think Mark is going to get
49:05
Speaker 3: them to work straight away. He's going to have a
49:06
Speaker 3: twenty four and a twenty five j Caadi and it's
49:09
Speaker 3: just going to be get ourselves in the right position.
49:11
Speaker 3: But I think come next year we potentially are going
49:15
Speaker 3: to see the fastest guy on the fastest bike. It
49:17
Speaker 3: could be a bit like Lewis Hamilton a few years
49:20
Speaker 3: ago having a Mercedes in Formula One, you know, or
49:23
Speaker 3: a Max for Strappin in a Red Bull or whatever
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Speaker 3: like that scenario. But I'm excited to see what Yamaha
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Speaker 3: bring their development that side of the bike. Is that
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Speaker 3: V four coming out that they're talking about already, the
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Speaker 3: other two Yamahas, the Pramaha. There you go, I got
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Speaker 3: it in for it everyone.
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Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 3: But OLIVERA and Miller on that Yamaha and what they
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Speaker 3: can do and the development forward for the Japanese bikes
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Speaker 3: from a testing site, and then Johe Martin a number
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Speaker 3: one on an a Preer. I think we'll see we'll
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Speaker 3: finally see what is the actual speed of that a Priyer.
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