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Ep. 834: Dr. Crayfish, Fox Collars, and Blue Tarps | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain
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  Speaker 1: Time at seven pm for our Olympians listening in Italy
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  Speaker 1: on Thursday, February twelve, and we're live from Meat Eater
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  Speaker 1: HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by
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  Speaker 1: Seth and Maggie. On today's show, we'll interview doctor Zach
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  Speaker 1: Graham about some of the world's rarest crayfish. Then we'll
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  Speaker 1: have a hot tip off about wal tents and duck breasts,
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  Speaker 1: followed by an interview with Emily Davis about collaring predators
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  Speaker 1: and the Grand Tetons. And finally, Seth and Maggie will
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  Speaker 1: compete in Meat Eater's prices. Right, but first, Maggie Hot though,
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  Speaker 1: our director of web content has a few important updates
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  Speaker 1: for us out of Minnesota and Florida. Maggie, the floor
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  Speaker 1: is yours. Where are we starting Minnesota or Florida?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, let's kick it off with Florida.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So, Angler's health advocates and First Amendment advocates are
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  Speaker 3: all fighting against a provision that's in Senate build two
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  Speaker 3: ninety in House built four thirty three, And what this
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  Speaker 3: provision does is it expands on existing food liberal laws
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  Speaker 3: which basically we're set in place to protect perishable.
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  Speaker 2: Goods from being.
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  Speaker 3: You know, spoken poorly against two it was a protection
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  Speaker 3: for agriculture, okay. And so now what's happening is that
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  Speaker 3: this is being expanded to cover non parish perishable goods
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  Speaker 3: agricultural practices, and it throws on one way attorney fees.
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  Speaker 3: So sort of what could happen with this is if
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  Speaker 3: you are like an influencer and you make a post
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  Speaker 3: about how you don't like glyphosphate on your food, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you could be sued by whatever ag company for making
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  Speaker 3: a claim about this if you don't have like scientific
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  Speaker 3: studies that you're citing. So it sets this tone of
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  Speaker 3: like not wanting public critique and conversation. It's sort of
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  Speaker 3: this like muzzling of public input.
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  Speaker 1: And how does this affect hunters and anglers? Though?
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  Speaker 3: In Florida, so the organization Captain for Clean Waters has
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  Speaker 3: been sort of battling against a big sugar that's you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's ag but it's an industry and they've there's been
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  Speaker 3: studies that were released, I believe in twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 3: that directly correlated Big Sugar with Lake Okechobee.
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  Speaker 2: The red algae.
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  Speaker 3: Blooms that were coming from that, And you know, these
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  Speaker 3: Florida captains were seeing this. The algae blooms started in
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  Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, but they were, you know, they were raising
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  Speaker 3: the alarm for this in twenty eighteen. But if they
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  Speaker 3: didn't have that study, they could have been sued. They
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  Speaker 3: would have had to pay all of the attorney fees
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  Speaker 3: for the defendant and the plantiff. So it's just like that,
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  Speaker 3: it would remove the ability to have those conversations to
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  Speaker 3: bring up that kind of stuff because people would be
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  Speaker 3: so afraid of the legal fees and just you know,
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  Speaker 3: the hassle of being taken to court for using your
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  Speaker 3: First Amendment right.
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  Speaker 1: Already a challenging thing to do, even when there's not
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  Speaker 1: the threat of legal action like that, And so this
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  Speaker 1: just makes it even more crippling for hunters and anglers
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  Speaker 1: and conservationists in Florida. Meggie has covered this story very
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  Speaker 1: well on the meat eater dot com. She recently had
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  Speaker 1: an article Florida bilth Retin's public advocacy for Land, water
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  Speaker 1: and Wildlife. Where does this bill stand right now.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, read that because that's a better overview than
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  Speaker 3: what I just gave you right now. But currently, the
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  Speaker 3: Senate stripped the provision, but it still exists in the
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  Speaker 3: House bill, so orgs like Captains for Clean Water are
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  Speaker 3: keeping the hammer down, keeping the pressure on, hoping to
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  Speaker 3: get that provision removed from the House version of the
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  Speaker 3: bill as well. So it's good progress, but the fight's
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  Speaker 3: not over on that yet.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You'll see more updates, you know, on our website at
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  Speaker 1: the medeater dot com. You'll hear them on this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and then we also have a new social channel called
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  Speaker 1: meat Eater News that is meant to cover things just
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  Speaker 1: like this, so hunters and anglers are just more informed
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  Speaker 1: in general. All right, let's talk about Minnesota. What's going
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  Speaker 1: on there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the vote on the Boundary Waters HGR one has
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  Speaker 3: been delayed in the Senate until February twenty third. I
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  Speaker 3: think everybody here is probably pretty well versed on what's
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  Speaker 3: happening in the Boundary Waters. You know, no one, no
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  Speaker 3: one here wants to see the mining happen there. But
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  Speaker 3: the reason that was delayed is because people are raising
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  Speaker 3: their voices.
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  Speaker 2: They're being heard. That's why this was paused.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you don't live in Minnesota, if you
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  Speaker 3: don't live in Florida, Like, these issues impact everyone because
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  Speaker 3: they set a tone. You know, if if this bill
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  Speaker 3: gets passed in Florida, it could easily be copycatted for passing.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the same thing in like a mining setting
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  Speaker 3: where it's like, okay, we're doing this and you can't
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  Speaker 3: speak out against it.
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  Speaker 2: If this.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm blinking on what it is? The
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  Speaker 3: uh the congressional.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, having a brain.
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  Speaker 1: There are two you may in the observation before we
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  Speaker 1: turn on the mics. There're two unrelated bills that are
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  Speaker 1: very related, especially right now in this time and moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and it impacts conservationists across the country. And the
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  Speaker 3: more that we can have this like unified voice, the
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  Speaker 3: better we chance we have at protecting these wild places,
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  Speaker 3: even if it's not your home, even if you don't
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  Speaker 3: recreate there often like raise your voice because it could
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  Speaker 3: be in your backyard next time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of ways to stay updated on this.
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  Speaker 1: One of the best that I've found is BHA emails.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like the minute something happens or is about
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  Speaker 1: to happen. If if there are rumor circulating that seem
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  Speaker 1: to have some legs, they will send out an email
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  Speaker 1: and tell you what's going on and how you can
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  Speaker 1: act on behalf of yourself and fellowhunters and anglers and conservationists.
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  Speaker 1: So BHA newsletter is a great great thing to watch again,
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  Speaker 1: as well as the Meat Eaternews, the meeteater dot Com,
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  Speaker 1: and our future news podcast. It's coming in about a
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  Speaker 1: month from now.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us on the line first is ecologist doctor Zach Graham.
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  Speaker 1: He's here to talk to us about his new book
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  Speaker 1: called Crayfish, Crawfish, Crawdad, The Biology and Conservation of North
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  Speaker 1: America's favorite crustaceans. Doctor Graham, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 5: How you doing, Yeah, thank you all for having me.
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  Speaker 5: Very excited to be here talk about these animals.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Our first question, what do you call them crayfish, crawfish, crawdads,
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  Speaker 1: or something else?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I call them crayfish generally. It's kind of like
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  Speaker 5: a regional dialect. So I'm from the northeast. I'm from Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 5: and so most people around Pennsylvania are calling them crayfish.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we've talked about on the show in the past,
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  Speaker 1: how when you hear coyote versus coyote, hunters tend to
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  Speaker 1: call them coyotes, non hunters tend to call them coyotes.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything like that when it comes to crayfish, Like,
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  Speaker 1: what does that tell you about a person when you
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  Speaker 1: hear them call it a crayfish versus crawfish versus crawdad.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it tells you a little bit about where they're from,
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  Speaker 5: because it's kind of like a regional dialect whether you
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  Speaker 5: call them crayfish, crawfish, or crawdad. The other thing, you know,
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  Speaker 5: is kind of like a saying with among crayfish biologists
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  Speaker 5: where we say, if you're studying them, you call them crayfish.
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  Speaker 5: So like the scientists call them crayfish, if you are
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  Speaker 5: eating them, you call them crawfish, and if you're fishing
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  Speaker 5: with them, you call them crawdads.
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  Speaker 6: So sometimes people are.
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  Speaker 5: Calling them different names based on their interaction with them,
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  Speaker 5: but most scientists will call them crayfish.
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  Speaker 1: And we are looking at a heat map here of
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  Speaker 1: what parts of the country call them different things. The
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  Speaker 1: hottest spots on that map look like Deep South Louisiana,
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  Speaker 1: calls them crawfish, and then like the Minnesota Wisconsin border crayfish.
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  Speaker 1: Part of Pennsylvania is hot for crayfish, and then the
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  Speaker 1: PNW looks like they prefer crawdad. A very interesting visual
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  Speaker 1: you can see on the Media to Podcast YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 1: During this interview doctor Graham, about seventy percent of the
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  Speaker 1: world's six hundred ish crayfish species are found in the
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  Speaker 1: United States. What is it about these animals that make
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  Speaker 1: them so uniquely American?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is something that's really cool, is that
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  Speaker 5: crayfish are kind of like an American group of animals.
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  Speaker 5: There's crayfish around the world, but most of them are
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  Speaker 5: in the Eastern United States. And so the reason that primarily,
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  Speaker 5: as we think, is that the Eastern United States has
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  Speaker 5: amazing freshwater biodiversity, primarily because of the Appalachian Mountains, which
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  Speaker 5: are very very old, hundreds of millions of years old,
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  Speaker 5: even compared to the Rocky Mountains, which are surprisingly relatively new,
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  Speaker 5: even though they're much higher. So it all has to
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  Speaker 5: do with the development of the Appalachian Mountains over hundreds
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  Speaker 5: of millions of years that's split up waterways and led
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  Speaker 5: to a lot of really unique freshwater biodiversity.
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  Speaker 1: Love that. All right, let's talk about some of the
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  Speaker 1: more unique species of crayfish. Tell us about some of
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  Speaker 1: the varieties that spend most of their life on land.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, these are some of my favorite because when we
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  Speaker 5: think about these animals, the crayfish or the crawfish, you
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  Speaker 5: think about them living in water like a lake or
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  Speaker 5: a creek or something like that. But there's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of about thirty percent of crayfish species that they're called
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  Speaker 5: burrowing species, and what they do is they essentially live
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  Speaker 5: on land, but then they dig down deep into the
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  Speaker 5: mud until they hit the water. So they're kind of
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  Speaker 5: like terrestrial animals. They live on land, but they dig
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  Speaker 5: down to the water and they make these little chimneys
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  Speaker 5: we call them. They're called chimneys. Very common throughout the
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  Speaker 5: Midwest and the Southeast. You seeing these little kind of
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  Speaker 5: piles of mud, and that's what the crayfish are doing,
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  Speaker 5: is that they're going down, getting a little pile of
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  Speaker 5: mud and then putting it at the very top of
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  Speaker 5: their burrow, and then they live down there pretty much
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  Speaker 5: their entire life, and most people never get to see one.
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  Speaker 5: But they're really unique.
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  Speaker 1: Are there any other animals that use those chimneys that
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  Speaker 1: they make, or is that's exclusively for those burling crayfish.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so they build it for themselves, but it essentially
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  Speaker 5: is like a nice little climate controlled environment, and so
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  Speaker 5: tons of animals love to kind of hijack the burrow
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  Speaker 5: or use it after the crayfish passes away. So snakes, frogs, salamanders,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of animals that like to use these burrows.
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  Speaker 7: Doctor Graham, I got a question for you. Are those
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  Speaker 7: crayfish that are making those burrows, are they coming out
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  Speaker 7: to feed at like a certain time, like at night
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  Speaker 7: or something, or are they just like in there all
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  Speaker 7: the time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So the kind of general consensus is that most
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  Speaker 5: of them are feeding down in the burrow, feeding on
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  Speaker 5: little bugs that are crawling into their burrow, feeding on
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  Speaker 5: the root matter of the plants. Some of them, though,
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  Speaker 5: we have observed and studied how they sit at the
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  Speaker 5: very top of their burrow and they'll wait for like
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  Speaker 5: a slug or a spider or a snail to crawl
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  Speaker 5: around and then they'll pounce on it. So they kind
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  Speaker 5: of do they kind of sit at the top and
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  Speaker 5: wait as a predator. But then they also probably forage
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  Speaker 5: in the immediate area, but they almost never are found
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  Speaker 5: out in the open.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about some of the species that live in caves.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so crayfish live in streams, creeks, these burrows that
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  Speaker 5: I'm talking about, and then they can also live in
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  Speaker 5: caves and so cave adapted crayfish. They're completely translucent and white.
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  Speaker 5: They often have no eyes whatsoever, and they live in
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  Speaker 5: caves and adapted to these caves. They can be found
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  Speaker 5: throughout Appalachia, primarily throughout Kentucky.
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  Speaker 6: Tennessee.
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  Speaker 5: Alabama has cave species. The one photographed here is called
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  Speaker 5: a spider cave crayfish from Florida. They're very small and
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  Speaker 5: they kind of look like spiders. They're about an inch long,
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  Speaker 5: so very unique adaptations and very unique kind of form
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  Speaker 5: that they come in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when most folks picture a crayfish, they
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  Speaker 1: envision one that's red and like four inches long. But
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  Speaker 1: you know better than anybody that they call them in
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  Speaker 1: all sizes and colors. Tell us about some of the
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  Speaker 1: crayfish species that break the mold and might be really
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  Speaker 1: big or really small or very colorful.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so crayfish are very diverse. They're not just this
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  Speaker 5: boring brown or red bug that many people think they are.
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  Speaker 5: They can be at adult size absolutely massive. So maybe
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  Speaker 5: you have all seen Jeremy Wade go to Tasmania and
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  Speaker 5: find the giant freshwater lobster. That's a crayfish. So that's
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  Speaker 5: the type of crayfish. And they can get you know,
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  Speaker 5: absolutely massive, who two three feet in the length of
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  Speaker 5: Oh goodness.
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  Speaker 6: They're huge.
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  Speaker 5: They can also be really small, and so there's this
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  Speaker 5: group called the dwarf crayfishes where they kind of max
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  Speaker 5: out at about an inch, So you know, they come
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  Speaker 5: in all shapes in size. And then you also asked
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  Speaker 5: about the colors. They can be wildly colorful. They can
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  Speaker 5: be almost any color that you can imagine. Reds are
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  Speaker 5: very common, blues are very common, oranges, reds, kind of
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  Speaker 5: everything in between. They're very beautiful. Many of them aren't
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  Speaker 5: appreciated for their beauty. But you know, this is what
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the work that I try to do
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  Speaker 5: is to teach people about how cool and unique they are.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned the three footers in Tasmania. What are the
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  Speaker 1: biggest ones that we have in the United States.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say that the biggest species they're called
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  Speaker 5: bottle brush crayfishes. It's one of the images that you
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  Speaker 5: showed a few slides back. But they're these really big
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  Speaker 5: ones that are like the size of a big text,
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  Speaker 5: so you know, maybe ten inches or so long, and
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  Speaker 5: they can be found in only a few streams throughout Kentucky, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 5: and Alabama. Pretty rare but quite large species. They only
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  Speaker 5: live under massive rocks that are like the size of
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  Speaker 5: your car hood.
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  Speaker 1: Damn. Now, it's estimated that about one third of the
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  Speaker 1: world's crayfish species are at risk of extinction. What are
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  Speaker 1: their top threats in the United States.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so many of these crayfish they require a.
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  Speaker 5: Clean, nice environment to thrive, and so anytime that gets disturbed,
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  Speaker 5: you know, there's some issues for the crayfish, whether it
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  Speaker 5: be local extractive industries like mining timber industries that can
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  Speaker 5: kind of clog up the streams nearby. There's also a
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  Speaker 5: lot of invasive crayfish. So I know you all probably
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  Speaker 5: talk and know about invasive fish that are brought and
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  Speaker 5: travel around the world because humans put them there. The
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  Speaker 5: exact same deal has happened for crayfish. So invasive crayfish
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  Speaker 5: actually hurt native crayfish populations in many cases, so there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of threats.
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  Speaker 1: That they face, Doctor Graham. Somebody who's watching this live
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  Speaker 1: in the chat asked a question about heavy metals that
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  Speaker 1: are found in crayfish. We always talk about mercury levels
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  Speaker 1: in fish that we catch and eat. Is that something
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  Speaker 1: we need to worry about with crustaceans like the crayfish.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's less well studied in crayfish. It is well
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  Speaker 5: studied in smaller other aquatic invertebrates like stone flies and mayflies,
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  Speaker 5: and so that's where people, you know, try to mimic
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  Speaker 5: flies for fly fishing. But presumably the exact same thing
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  Speaker 5: is happening with the crayfish, where they're kind of absorbing
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  Speaker 5: it through their environment and consuming it throughout their environment
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  Speaker 5: as well.
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  Speaker 7: Doctor Graham, I get another question for states up north
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  Speaker 7: and like you know, eastern state states that get snow
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  Speaker 7: and ice once those lakes and rivers freeze, what are
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  Speaker 7: the crayfish doing that time of year.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So crayfish are kind of like most dominant in
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  Speaker 5: these types of temperate areas that have pretty serious winters,
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  Speaker 5: and what they do is they just burrow. So even
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  Speaker 5: the species that live in the stream, they'll dig down
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  Speaker 5: maybe six inches or one foot beneath the frost line,
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  Speaker 5: and they will kind of do like a little hibernation.
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  Speaker 6: More or less, is one of the best ways to
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  Speaker 6: put it.
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  Speaker 5: They'll sit there and just wade out until it's warmer
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  Speaker 5: and there's food available for them.
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  Speaker 4: And is it a water temperature thing that makes them
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  Speaker 4: do that or you know, and if so, what is
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  Speaker 4: that water temperature?
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  Speaker 5: Generally, yeah, it's probably a lot. It's probably a lot
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  Speaker 5: of factors. I wouldn't know the exact water temperature that
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  Speaker 5: they will start to do that, but I know, you know,
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  Speaker 5: in the Northeast for example, or really anywhere that's temperate.
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  Speaker 5: Once it starts hitting you know, air temperatures of forty
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  Speaker 5: degrees or so, the crayfish in the water, whatever the
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  Speaker 5: correlated water temperature would be, they start to be less active.
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  Speaker 4: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: Our listeners like to catch and cook crayfish, So give
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  Speaker 1: them some tips as a doctor who has studied crayfish
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  Speaker 1: behavior on how we can catch more of them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think some of the best tips that I
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  Speaker 5: would have are to put your traps. Most people are
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  Speaker 5: going to throw out of traps with you know, really
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  Speaker 5: any type of bait works.
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  Speaker 6: The smellier the better, though.
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  Speaker 5: I've used chicken livers and bacon and have great success
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  Speaker 5: with that. You need to put those trap out though,
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  Speaker 5: wherever the habitat, and so the crayfish like to hide
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  Speaker 5: under rocks and in little crevices and underlogged, so you
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  Speaker 5: need to put it where there's a.
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  Speaker 6: Lot of habitat.
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  Speaker 5: And also, if you get it during a specific time
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  Speaker 5: of year, look up when the crayfish around you are breeding.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Once you get the breeding males, those are the ones
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: with the biggest tails that are you know, the best
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: eating essentially in many cases those ones, you know you
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: want to look at when those are coming out.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: So it depends on where you're at.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, good notes. Now, our listeners also like to imitate
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: crayfish when they're fishing for bass and trout. Give us
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: some tips on how we can make those presentations look
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: super lifelike.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the crayfish they're typically on the bottom of
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: whatever body of water you're fishing, and obviously they're you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: living on the stream bed or the riverbed, and so
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: it's hard to kind of present a lore that stays
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: down there where the crayfish normally reside. But what I
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: often would suggest people to do. Is what crayfish will
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: do is they'll also do something called a tail flip
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: escape response. If you've ever tried to catch a crayfish
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: with your hand and a creek, you know that they
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: dart backwards and it's like one very quick movement, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: so you can try to mimic that by doing you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: a specific type of jigging where you just you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: yank on your bait a little bit or your lore
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: to try to mimic that, and that can sometimes trigger
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: the fish to.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: Go after them.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: Do you find that, Let's say a small mouth when
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: he's feeding, if he sees a crayfish with one claw,
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: is he happy or is it or is it not
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: matter to them?
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: It does not matter that much, I've seen, but they will.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: I have seen bass when I'm snorkeling, for example, and
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: I catch a crayfish, they'll come up and take the
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: claws off and just eat those. Oh really, yeah, I've
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: seen that a few times. Like they'll follow you around
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: if you're catching crayfish, the bass will follow you around.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Because I often snorkel, so I'm underwater with them and
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: it's really amazing. But yeah, I think they would probably
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: prefer to not have the claws, but I don't think
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: it follows.
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: There's been times when I've been using baits that mimic
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: crayfish that I'll like cut one of the claws off
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: just to make it seem like it's different.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just safer, Yeah, a little safer to eat.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think they mind too much, but you know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: that'd be something really interesting to look into.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Our listeners have one more question, and then I want
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to call out. They want to know if doctor Crayfish
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: eats crayfish.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: So funnily enough, I am deathly allergic. Whoa, Yeah, it
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: is a plot twist. I spend my entire life and
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: day thinking about them. But if they get in my mouth,
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: my throat swells and I will go to the hospital. Okay,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: so I do not eat them, but I condone eating them.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: I cook them for my friends when and whatnot. So
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: it's a great way to kind of learn about them.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, that's a good threat. I like that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: they have that power over you, that they could kill
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you if they just make it in your mouth.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: It's very ironic. I think it's kind of meant to
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: be all right.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Doctor Graham's Crayfish Crawfish Crawdad dropped last month and it's
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: available wherever books are. So doctor Graham, thanks for joining us.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Yep, thank you all appreciate it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Before the show, Seth was telling me about a theory
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: he has on a certain body of water where he
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: thinks the crayfish are making the wall live fishery much better.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: At that time, you tell us about it. You don't
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: have to tell us a body of water.
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I just I just found certain times a year,
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: when the water hits a certain temp, these fish are
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: staging on rock. And I got to thinking, and I
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: got to do some research and found out that like
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: around here, that same water temp that I'm finding where
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: these fish are staging is like potentially the same water
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: temp where crayfish are coming out of hibernation. Okay, so
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: that made me think that maybe that's why these bigger
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: whiley are are staging on these rock on this rock
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: to target crayfish coming out. So I don't know if
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: that's accurate or not, but I feel like it is.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I bought my first crayfish fly last summer, did not
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: catch a trout on it. But I sure tried a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: lot of trout looked at it and they thought, now
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that that guy's an idiot.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: He has no idea cut a claw off of it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Will next time there.
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: I want to know.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I want to know why bottom feeders are so delicious crayfish, crabs, lobsters,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: carb bourbon. This is something I was doing some research.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: There's I wasn't satisfied research by tasting them, tasting and
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: actual like Google googling. Sure, but I want to know why.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: All of our listeners now are going to be better
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: at catching crayfish and catching fish that eat crayfish. All right,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Our next segment is Hot tip Off.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: That's saltyt That's salty.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Hot tip Off is where two listeners go head to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: head with competing pieces of advice, and after we hear
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter. If you
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: have a hot tip, take a one minute video on
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: your phone and email it to radio at the medeater
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: dot com with the subject line hot tip Off. This
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: week it's Austin Rhinds versus Mark de Groot and they
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: are competing for a one hundred dollars Meat Eater store
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: gift card. Take it away, Phil.
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: Marked your croot, Hey meat eater, coming at you today
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: with a hot tip off. My hot tip is to
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: use a car port instead of a wall ten. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: picked up a carport on clearance for one hundred and
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: fifty bucks and we brought it into the shop here
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: and we did some retro fits to it. We permanently
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: connected some of the joints, we labeled and made quick
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: attached fasteners for the other joints just using bolts and
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: wing nuts, and some of the pieces of pipe we
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: eliminated them all together and replaced them with some PBC
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: condo it to make it a lot lighter. So now
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: we take a carport up to Bear Camp with us
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: every year and in about fifteen minutes we've got the
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: whole thing thrown up and installed. It's rigid, strong, it's
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: a good place to keep our gear nice and dry,
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: and uh sometimes it's just a good place to get
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: away from the mosquitoes. So that's my hot tip is
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: to use a car fork instead of a Walton's.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Austin rides am I editor Crue.
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: This is Austin from Arkansas, and I got a hot
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: tip for y'all. I'm preparing some goose for this weekend
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: that we killed this season. I got some cube up
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: right here that we're gonna put on some kebabs. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: then I got some whole breast that I'm gonna pan
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: s here and roast in the oven with some potatoes
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: and some carrots and stuff. And man, I just love
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: to lead the skin on my goose, my duck. It
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: just makes it more flavorful, more moist. You get a
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: little crisp on there. I just think it's altogether better.
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: The only problem you run into is you get all
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: these these pin feathers on here, I mean, and they
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: are just a headache to take off. And there's all
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: sorts of methods. I see people that burn them off.
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: I see people that pluck them by hand, and all
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: that just takes time. Burning them stinks and it just
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: gets meticulous. So what I thought of, I went down
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: the dollar store by the old cheap raizor just the
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: cheapest one you can find, and you just take this,
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: take this goose right here, and just.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Give them a little shaved shave goose. It's a little
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: shave just all over.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: He don't need no shaving cream, he don't care anymore.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: You just shave him.
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: Don't worry I have to worry about nicking them. And
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: then I mean, this thing gets clogged up.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: He just rints it off. I mean, look at that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: I mean they're just coming off and it is just
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: this one's already done. I mean, not a pin hair
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: on that thing.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Look at that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: So that's my tip for y'all. Hope y'all like it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Y'all have a good one.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. The live chat is going to decide who wins
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the one hundred dollars Media to Store gift card. Phil
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: is going to put up a pull between markh the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: carport wall tent man and Austin the duck best razor.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Pull is live. We'll give you a minute or two here.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Maggie, what do you think who would get your vote?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Between Mark with the waltent and Austin with the razor man.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Wal tents are expensive.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I've been looking into wal tents and like, now I'm
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: gonna start looking at Facebook marketplace for carports.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: But also I want to try shaving a duck or goose.
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: Now.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I like them both. I think I think they're both
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: good tips.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: You gotta vote for one.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I'm skeptical of the shaving. Okay, so I'm going carport
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm skeptical until I try it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He showed us some evidence there on the cell phone
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: video that certainly had some feathers that the razor caught.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: But we'll see, Seth. What do you think Mark or Austin? Personally,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I think this is the closest one, Like they're hot tips.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: Typically, I'm like, I know, I'm going with this one
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: for sure. Yeah, but this one, I'm like, Man, I
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: have to think about both. But at the end of
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: the day, I like being frugal, and the carport wall
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: tent I think takes a w for me Ka just
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: because it's simple, it's it's cheap and seems like it
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: would work.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Two votes for the carport wall tent. I'm gonna give
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it to the duck breast razor that that did look
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: pretty effective to me, and that's a situation that it'd
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: be nice to have a very effective way to get
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: those or they pin feathers what are they called to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: get their small feathers out of the fat of a
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: duck breast. Mark's carport wall tent extremely well done. That
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: looked to me like some buddies who wanted to get
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: together for you know, like six nights in a month
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and drink some bush lights. Yeah, and have a little
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: project to work on. And that's a lot of fun.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I love that Mark did that, and I trust that
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that gets some good use at bear Camp. Both very
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: hot tips. So on that note, we are going to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: empty the clip on hot tips for our very last episode.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: We may have five or six or ten of these matchups,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: so you only have a couple weeks left to send
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: us your hot tips at radio at the medeater dot com. Again,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: it should be a one minute video on your phone.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Shoot it vertically for us, and then if you have
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a good one that gets submitted, we're going to use
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: it in that very last episode, So get those sent
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to us. Phil, what is the chat think?
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: I'm going to give him thirty more seconds because it's
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: close enough that the tide could turn in that amount
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: of time. So, okay, I'm not voted in the live chat.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Get your votes in. You have a few more seconds left.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, where does it currently stand?
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Currently? Still, I'll tell you the split that I'm not
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: going to tell you who's winning the first place contested?
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Is that only a fifty two percent.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: That is close car clothes could swing it. You should
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: see that carport wall tent you can. You can see
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that on the mediater podcast YouTube channel. Mark was gracious
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: enough to show it in action at bear Camp.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Wonder how it does in the wind.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I was wondering that too. You know, it's it's not
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: going to function just like a wall tent, but you
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: know a good place to maybe cook it or store
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: gear out of the rain.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: And I guess if it just gets totally demolished by
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: the wind, you could just go buy another one for
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: that's one hundred whatever.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Dollars, start another buddy project in your garage.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: It is now tied. Oh no, as soon as I
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: see someone jump up and the poll, all right, what
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: do we got? It was meant to be because this
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: person wasn't the lead for the entire thing. With fifty
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: one percent of the vote, just barely, I think by
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: maybe one vote. The winner is Austin with the goose shaving.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, he is going to get the one hundred dollars
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: media the gift card. That is the closest hot tip
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: off we've ever had. Seth identified it that way, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the chat agreed two very hot tips from Mark and Austin.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: what's the chat have to say?
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is from Spencer question for the crew. I
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: have an alligator ero amount skull which is drying and
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: splitting up the noes. Is there something I can put
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: on this skull to keep it from drying or cracking
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: up the snout? Thank you?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe like some bees wax or something bees wax would
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: be good.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: You know we were talking about earlier.
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: There's this group of dudes that hunt or dig for
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: fossils in Montana, dinosaur fossils, and they use that paleo glue.
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: It's sort when they expose a bone, they hit it
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: with that like right away, so it doesn't like dry
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: out and crack. I wonder if something like that would work.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on a lot of Like there's some fossils I
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: find that come out of the ground very moist, and
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: then they take a lot of time to dry, and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: in that time they will kind of like get warped
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: like they'll they'll if they were straight before now they're
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: shaped like a U. I hit a lot of those
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: with lacquer right at the beginning. I don't know if
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I'm doing it good. I've seen other paleontologists do a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: similar thing like Seth is talking about. So we don't
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: have the perfect answer for you there, Spencer. You're gonna
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: have to experiment and and find out for yourself. But bees, wax, lacquer,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: pale glue. Those are the three recommendations from us. What
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: else you got?
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Phil Master Chief John Halo himself asks, are y'all doing
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: trivia at the NWTF after party again this year?
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: We are.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: We will be there. That after party is on Friday night.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: It will be me, Jannie Klay, Newcombe, Brent Reeves. We
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: will be hosting the after party and there will be
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: some trivia that is done by the audience. That means
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you guys are answering questions about yourselves at the game
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: we call meat poll. So we will have trivia there.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And if that's not enticing enough to get you out
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: there again, come shake Clay Newcomb's hand and tell them
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a bear hunting.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Story Timee's lines has a simple question, do you guys
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: have some summer fishing trips planned that you're excited about?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, what do you got? Seith?
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: Well, just hitting local stuff here of course, for some
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: bass and walleye, and then heading out to Saginaw Bay
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: to do some fishing. What I'm here, that'll be in June.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I'll be a little film thing too.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: That'll be fun, so you guys will be able to
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: watch that at some point, Maggie, fishing trips.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I'm taking my niece on her first backpack in that
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: country fishing trip.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: How old?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Nice she'll be five five?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Is she ready?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: She's ready?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: She doesn't know anything about fishing or backpacking, but perfect.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: She'll have a good time.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Any other big trips this summer not planned.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I'll get up in the mountains, we'll take the boat out.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I'm bad at planning ahead, but there will be fishing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: My two big fishing trips this summer. I'm going to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: go to the Columbia River in Oregon and catch some
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: white sturgeon. I've never done that before. Metafela at a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: donut shop in Oregon a few years ago, and he said,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: if you ever want to come catch our big old
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: white sturgeon, hit me up. And whenever someone offers me
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: something like that, I say, don't offer that unless you're
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: willing for me to take it. Take you up on
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that offer, because I'm gonna do it, and I did.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go visit him and we're gonna catch some
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: big old sturgeon. The other one is I'm going to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: go to the Boundary Waters this summer as well. I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: spent a couple of days there last year, just passing
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: through on my way to Asle Royal, and I loved
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it so much I started planning my next trip right away.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: So and make a solo trip out there with my kayaks.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Try to get into some bass and walleye and some
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: panfish sounds fun cook them up while I'm there, Phill,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Let's do a couple.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: More yeah, free crank asks. Can we still get radio
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: live like once a month or once a season, maybe
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: special events, maybe for deer season or elk season or
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: spring turkey?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Phil, Yeah, we can do that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: We had a few times we flirted with.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: The idea of maybe doing some primetime radio lives, you know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: maybe like a six pm show a few times a year.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: We don't have anything set in stone yet, but radio
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: live we've we've talked about it as its sunsetting not dying,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: so you know the sun rises again.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: That's what they say about people with alzheimer.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that one.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Let's see, just found out. This is from Nate. Just
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: found out that Unit two goose season in South Dakota
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: goes till February fourteenth. Do I take a trip to
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: chase Honkers on Valentine's Day or keep my marriage intact?
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: What would you do?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Take your sweetheart with you?
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Obvious answer. Yeah, unless she absolutely hates it. It's probably
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: not how she wants to spend her Valentine's Day if
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: she has other interests.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: South Dakota's for lovers, right, that's as they say.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Is it Virginia?
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: Actually yes?
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Ohio, I don't know.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I saw somebody ask on there about have Alena hunting tips?
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: Phil.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that question.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: If you want to know, summarize the question.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: No, I just want to let him know to keep
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: an eye out that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: We got an article about that from Jim Heffelfinger coming
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: on the site. Okay, should be live today or tomorrow,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: depending on how much work I get done after this.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: You can now get in the record books with the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: big old Halvellina.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: We'll do one more here, Well, let me see if Yeah,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: we've got our next guest waiting, so we'll do one more.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: Here.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Say is for Seth from Garrison. Question for Seth. I'm
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: studying forestry in college and I'm realizing that it's not
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: really something I want to do for living. Oh how
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: did you go from your forestry degree to breaking into
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: another industry? Well, what I'm doing now is just kind
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: of a hobby. So you're getting paid for Yeah, No,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: I I planned on doing.
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: Forestry stuff for most of my life and then would
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: picked up a camera and started shooting photos on the side,
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: and kind of one thing led to another, and here
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: I am so.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Not really in your will.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: I didn't experience what your experience. I kind of wanted
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: to be a forester all through college, but I don't know.
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: It's not too late to change.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: One thing, I'd say to Garrison. We've talked about this
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: before on trivia. We had a trivia question about this
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: profession in the United States has the happiest people. This
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: was a stat that pulled I don't remember how many
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: dozens of different careers and the number one happiest profession
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: was foresters. So Garrison may maybe think about how happy
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: that would make you versus doing something.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: I will say.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: On day one the forestry school, our professor said, how
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: many raise your hand if you guys would like to
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: make a decent amount of money someday, And like everyone
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: raised their hands. She goes, you've chose the wrong major.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: That's what they say to all the fun majors.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: That's but you're outside all the time, so it's great.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: There you go.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna do our next interview.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Now, all right, we got Emily Davis. She's a PhD
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: student at the University of Wyoming currently studying how wolves, kyletes,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: and red foxes coexist and the Greater Yellowstone Eco System.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Emily, Welcome to Radio Live.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Hello, thanks for having me. Glad you're here. Are you
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: currently out and about in the field.
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we're out digging out traps because it snowed a
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: foot over the night last night, so wow, wouldn't have
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: allowed any foxes to get in. But those are all
• 38:23
  Speaker 11: the people doing the real work over there. They just
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: got dumped on by snow from a tree too, so
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: perfect for the camera. But yeah, we're out, finally able
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: to ski. They drug this trap in yesterday over dirt,
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: so it's nice to have a foot of snow on
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: the ground.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Makes it a little easier.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Huh. Well, tell us a little bit about your research
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: and why you're trapping foxes.
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so this project has kind of been coming into
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: itself for a long time. The park has historically monitored
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: foxes across the landscape. Because foxes are really cute, people
• 38:57
  Speaker 11: have learned to feed them. That in turn has allowed
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: foxes to become pretty habituated and learn how to sit
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: for food in.
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: A lot of cases.
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: And so, actually, my previous lab Mae Emily burke Holder
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: also my best friend, actually study the red fox population
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: in Grand Teton and looked at how they used human areas.
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: But this project specifically includes coyotes and wolves to kind
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: of expand on this idea of trophic interactions from the
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: large predator to the smallest predator, to see how they
• 39:25
  Speaker 11: interact on the landscape, how they share space, time, and food.
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: There's this historic understanding that you know, wolves reintroduced thirty
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: years ago, and this idea that when wolves come in
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: they decrease the meso predator population or coyotes through competition.
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: And prior to that, anecdotally there's a lot more coyotes
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: on the landscape, but through wolf reintroduction, the kyotepopulation has
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: anecdotally been limited, which has allowed the red fox population
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: to rebound. And so while that's a really beautiful story
• 39:55
  Speaker 11: and I think it's awesome to think about, it's probably
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: way more nuanced than that. So we are finally at
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: this time where we have enough technology to get really
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: fine scale data on these animals. So we have collars
• 40:07
  Speaker 11: on wolves, coyotes, and red foxes, hence the trapping that
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: are all synced up at the same time, so we
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: can actually get where they are at the land where
• 40:14
  Speaker 11: they are on the landscape. We also are doing backtracking
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: to collect their scat to get DNA at a bar
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: coding done on their diet to see how often they
• 40:23
  Speaker 11: share resources or don't share resources across the park and
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: the greater landscape. We're using anonymized cell phone data to
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: get at human pressure on these animals because the park,
• 40:34
  Speaker 11: although beautiful and seemingly serene, obviously has a lot of
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: visitors and very heavy visitation in the summer, so I'm
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: sure that makes an impact on how they share the landscape.
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: And we're just incorporating a lot of cool technology that
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: hasn't really been available before to ask these questions, and
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: a lot of the questions have previously asked are very
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: coarse and just like where are wolves in this area?
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: Where are foxes in this area? But we're really diving deep,
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: deep into it.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: That's awesome, And your research is pretty much conducted during
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: the winter months, right you guys aren't out here trapping
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: in the warmer months of the year.
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we trap foxes in the winter because bears are
• 41:15
  Speaker 11: out in the summer. And I think it would be
• 41:17
  Speaker 11: and we use really smelly lower gusto and which is
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: skunkluer and red fox luer, but the bears would probably
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: be keyed into that pretty heavily, and we don't want
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: a little fox stuck in a trap while there's a
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: bear around.
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: That would be pretty horrible.
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: But yeah, they it's also their breeding season right now.
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: So we've caught six this year so far. We have
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: fourteen more callers to put out. We caught fifteen last
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: year for callers, and so we're hoping it picks up
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: and we're hoping they're starting to seek their mates out.
• 41:46
  Speaker 11: The snow was a bit of a change, so hopefully
• 41:48
  Speaker 11: they'll come out tonight because the snow's a bit heavy.
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: But yeah, most of our most of the fun works
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: in the winter, and it's been pretty awesome to skier
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: around out here. We do have some summer work checking
• 41:57
  Speaker 11: cameras and stuff, but most of it's.
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: In the winter.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: Emily.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: In July, there was a lot of coverage of the
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: park and a specific fox there. The New York Times,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: among other places, had a headline Beware of Swiper, a
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: fox at Grand Teeton Park who steals shoes. Are you
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: familiar with that fox and can you tell us more
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: about him or her?
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: Yes, we are familiar with that fox. That was the
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: second fox we trapped last year. Our name for him
• 42:24
  Speaker 11: is actually Lee Roy or in joking terms, Leroy, because
• 42:29
  Speaker 11: he was trapped up near Lizard Creek campground and actually
• 42:34
  Speaker 11: two of the people that are here right now went
• 42:36
  Speaker 11: and found I think.
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: Three shoes for him. But he's he's collared and he's.
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: Actually a pretty trapped, happy fox. So we caught him
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: this year, recollared him. But yeah, I heard that. I
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: heard a trivia question from you guys about him, and
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: my boyfriend was like, call him up, tell him his
• 42:53
  Speaker 11: real name, and I get Swipers, like a pretty good
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: name for him, but we call him Leroy and he's
• 42:58
  Speaker 11: he's a pretty funny fox interact with. But the people
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: would ask me questions about like what's it about, Like
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: do they cashed and stuff, And we just think he's
• 43:05
  Speaker 11: got a fetish for shoes because they didn't find like
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: a pile of shoes or anything. We think he's just
• 43:11
  Speaker 11: messing with people, and they're kind of, you know, funny
• 43:14
  Speaker 11: in that way. We've seen some interesting behaviors of them.
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: We actually had He's not the only fox to steal
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: something urtech. Jess had makes her own Kinko gloves with
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: like pictures on them, and we usually set them on
• 43:27
  Speaker 11: the ground to put our phone on to get awesome
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: videos of their release. Yeah, this is the fox and
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: she that fox got released, immediately went to Jess's phone,
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: stole that Kinko glove, ran off. We have an awesome
• 43:41
  Speaker 11: video of us all slow mowing running off after the
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: Fox couldn't find them in the project bought Jess Moore gloves,
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: but I like to think we like to think that
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: she had it up in her den as like artwork.
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: So but yeah, they're weird little animals.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Great stories of about Larroi.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: But before your PhD work, you did some really cool
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: research with your master's degree as well with bears.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, can you talk about some of the stuff you
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: did with bears for your masters For sure.
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: I've been really lucky to have two really awesome projects
• 44:19
  Speaker 11: and through the University of Wyoming with my advisor Joe Holbrook.
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: So my PhD works in collaboration with Game and Fish
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: is mostly primarily with Granteeton National Park, and then my
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: master's work was collaborative with Wyoming Game and Fish. And
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: so the reason that project came about, we call our
• 44:35
  Speaker 11: black bears and we looked at their movements. But the
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: reason that project came about was actually shockingly, hunters came
• 44:41
  Speaker 11: to the American Bear Foundation founder Joe Condilas and Game
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: and Fish and we're like, you know, we can't get
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: large males over bait sites, so it'd be awesome if
• 44:50
  Speaker 11: you guys could figure.
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: That out for us.
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: And of course hunters know tons about bear behavior. So
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: what we found when I talked to hunters, they're like, yeah,
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: no crap obviously. But that project started in conjunction with
• 45:03
  Speaker 11: American Beer Foundation to kind of understand male behavior around
• 45:05
  Speaker 11: risk taking and bait sites. But it also started because
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: Wyoming wanted to understand population dynamics of black bears across
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: the state because that hasn't been done, and so they
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: started collaring females I think in twenty fifteen to get
• 45:19
  Speaker 11: their home range size, to put hair snare work out
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: to do demographics on them, and then I got attached
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: onto the project, mainly primarily for the caller data. And
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: so we we have one chapter published, which is awesome.
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: That chapter is pretty nerdy and not super fun to
• 45:34
  Speaker 11: talk about with anyone besides people that want to nerd
• 45:36
  Speaker 11: about how cool bears.
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: Are and how individually varied they are.
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: But our second chapter is currently in review, and that
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: chapter is looking at how bears take risk around bait sites.
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: And it's a pretty cool way to ask this question
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: because obviously bears are hunted, so there's risk, there's mortality
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: risk on the landscape for this large carnivore obviously, but
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: they bait creates this uni dynamic where this there's this
• 46:02
  Speaker 11: high reward area too, and so what we actually found
• 46:05
  Speaker 11: was males did avoid baits more than females, and both
• 46:11
  Speaker 11: sexes actually shifted to using bait sites more at night.
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: Males also shifted more at night, so we kind of
• 46:16
  Speaker 11: found that there is this difference in mortality risk across
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: the black bear population. And there's the bait site information
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: was from the Big Horn Mountains and the Laramie Range
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: specifically the other chapters on the whole state.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: But we found that.
• 46:32
  Speaker 11: Males probably handle mortality risk a little differently than females
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: and younger bears, probably because you know, hunters don't want
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: to shoot young females, even though they're hard to tell
• 46:42
  Speaker 11: sometimes unless you have a really really knowledgeable hunter that's.
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: Over a bait with you. But yeah, so it's pretty
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: interesting to see.
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: That young female bears are interacting with that high reward
• 46:52
  Speaker 11: food source more than males. And we also found that
• 46:55
  Speaker 11: obviously hunting pressure varies greatly in the from the spring
• 46:59
  Speaker 11: to the fall, especially in the Big Horn Mountains where
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: people can't sometimes put out baits differently, and Wyoming has
• 47:04
  Speaker 11: a female quota system, so it kind of depends on
• 47:07
  Speaker 11: if how many females are getting shot at that time,
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: if people are going to shoot the first bear they see.
• 47:12
  Speaker 11: But we found that bears are actually more likely to
• 47:14
  Speaker 11: engage with baits during fall during hyperphasia when they want
• 47:19
  Speaker 11: more food, which we had originally hypothesized that you'd take
• 47:23
  Speaker 11: less risk when you have more fat, more food.
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: More resources.
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: But bears are always doing things differently than we expect,
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: which is why I love them. They're kind of a
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: pain to study, but they actually engaged more with bait sites,
• 47:38
  Speaker 11: which makes a lot of sense when you think about
• 47:40
  Speaker 11: a fat bear eating all the time prepping for denning,
• 47:42
  Speaker 11: which is what we got to do too.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: But yeah, Emily, back to the fox trapping. I'm a
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: trapper myself, so I'm really interested in this. What kind
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: of sets are you using, What kind of traps are
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: you using? And I know you mentioned Gusta, which I'm
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: real familiar with. What other stuff like, what other types
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: of baits and lures are you using?
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we use so we use Tomahawk traps.
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: We trap in the park, so we're restricted to box Trapskay,
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: They're they're bobcat traps from Tomahawk, you know, the like
• 48:14
  Speaker 11: real skinny ones. Because foxes are real skinny. We use Gusto,
• 48:17
  Speaker 11: which we think pulls them in pretty good. And I
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: just want to shout out to my field team here,
• 48:22
  Speaker 11: Austin Lindsay and Jess because they're the ones doing.
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: The real work. But you know, they've they've been out
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: there sticking their hands.
• 48:28
  Speaker 11: And gusto and red fox lure, which is that disgusting,
• 48:31
  Speaker 11: sweet smelling lure.
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: But yeah, without snow, it's been harder.
• 48:34
  Speaker 11: But we've been we know, set the traps up, We
• 48:36
  Speaker 11: put pine boughs around them to create a cozy little
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: home for them, and uh, we use roadkill ground up
• 48:43
  Speaker 11: road killing little bait balls to try to entice them.
• 48:46
  Speaker 11: But we hope that the bait entices them to go
• 48:48
  Speaker 11: on the back of the trap and then really the
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: lure is what's pulling them in from afar uh. But
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: so far it's been pretty successful. They had a lot
• 48:56
  Speaker 11: of success with it when Emily was first trapping here. Obviously,
• 49:00
  Speaker 11: we've got a bigger crew and we have skis, so
• 49:02
  Speaker 11: we're able to get a little bit further away from
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: areas off the roads in the park. Oh and one
• 49:07
  Speaker 11: big thing for trapping is we've noticed that fox urine
• 49:11
  Speaker 11: is really helpful.
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: We actually just have a.
• 49:13
  Speaker 11: Giant gallon of it that we refill a little sauce
• 49:18
  Speaker 11: bottles that you buy at Target, and we spray it
• 49:20
  Speaker 11: around and we're always talking to each other about like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 11: oh we need pea and the people that come out
• 49:25
  Speaker 11: with us.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Another question, are you catching bobcats at all in those sets?
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: No?
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: Actually, no, and we don't. We've never seen a bobcat
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: on camera.
• 49:36
  Speaker 11: We actually this year, first time, we actually had two
• 49:39
  Speaker 11: different mountainlines coming to do different traps and eat a
• 49:42
  Speaker 11: little bit of food up front.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: So that's surprising.
• 49:44
  Speaker 11: It's been a weird winner though usually we're not getting
• 49:47
  Speaker 11: anything but foxes and a ton of Martins. Martin's are
• 49:51
  Speaker 11: problem children off the park, so we catch them a lot,
• 49:54
  Speaker 11: but this it's been a weird winner, so it's just
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: been hard to predict. But no, we don't get we
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: don't even get bobcats on cameras.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Really a what about wolverines? Do they ever interact with
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: your sets?
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: No?
• 50:06
  Speaker 11: I think all of us would be so excited if
• 50:08
  Speaker 11: we saw wolverine on camera. And actually, our helicopter crew
• 50:12
  Speaker 11: that flew for us last year because they they helicopter
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: fly and capture for wolves and coyotes, they actually saw
• 50:19
  Speaker 11: wolverine from above, but none of us have been lucky
• 50:22
  Speaker 11: enough to get that on camera.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: So well, thanks so much for taking the time to
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: chat with us.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Emily, I hope you guys catch some foxes tonight and
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: look forward to seeing when those next few interesting chapters
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: of your research get published.
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: Awesome. Thanks and Maggie, you gotta come out with us.
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: You gotta work up of fox with us. They're pretty fun.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Will do I would love to?
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: Awesome? Okay, thank you, Thanks you guys.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Meg you got to take her up on that offer.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I know I want to.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: That was a real offer, it was. That sounds like
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: a fun job.
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Beautiful scene that she was in there today.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Just fresh snow on the mountains.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Which is surprising because she's about an hour north of
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: me and it's been mud season winter.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: It is a we have not had a foot of
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: snow on the ground.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: It's about snow.
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: If those bears like out and about with this weather,
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: if they just go in and you know, even though
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: it's warm, should ask for.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: That next next.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: All right, Moving on, Our next segment is meat Eater's
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Price is right.
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  Speaker 9: Here.
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  Speaker 4: It comes from Bozeman, Montana Media Radio's most exciting ten minutes.
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  Speaker 4: It's the price is right Chef Morris, come on now,
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  Speaker 4: Snaggy Hublow, come on down contestants on media radios. The
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  Speaker 4: price is right now, here's your host, Spencer new.
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  Speaker 1: It always brings it all right, This game is really simple.
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  Speaker 1: Phil is going to tell you about a product from
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  Speaker 1: the meat Eater universe, and you need to guess its price.
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  Speaker 1: The player with the closest answer without going over will
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  Speaker 1: be declared the winner. If both players go over, then
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  Speaker 1: you'll both be told to try again, and the chat
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  Speaker 1: should play along as well, because whoever has the closest
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  Speaker 1: answer to the correct answer, we'll get a shout out.
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  Speaker 1: All right, there are three products up for bid today, Phil,
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  Speaker 1: get it started.
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  Speaker 4: Our first item up for bid today is a blue
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  Speaker 4: tarp from Harbor Freight. At eleven feet by eleven feet,
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  Speaker 4: this iconic cobalt colored tart gives you one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: twenty one square feet of coverage. It's waterproof and weather proof.
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  Speaker 4: Laughing in the face of rainstow and wind.
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  Speaker 1: Ha ha.
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  Speaker 4: What will you do with yours? Cover a grill, maybe
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  Speaker 4: keep firewood dry, build an emergency shelter, or let it
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  Speaker 4: blow into your neighbor's yard. The possibilities are tarpless, but.
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  Speaker 1: They won't be tarpless any longer if your price is right,
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  Speaker 1: Seth and Maggie, what does that eleven foot buy? Eleven
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  Speaker 1: foot blue tarp from Harbor Freight cost. Don't watch the
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  Speaker 1: chat too close because the chat likes to cheat.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I can't hardly read that far.
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  Speaker 1: There's not good students. So Phil is going to keep
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  Speaker 1: an eye on the chat though, and see who can
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  Speaker 1: get closest. Uh, Seth, when's the last time that you
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  Speaker 1: brought that you bought a blue tarp?
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  Speaker 7: Um? Trying to think within the last year. Uh not
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  Speaker 7: within the last year, in the last two years. Uh No,
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  Speaker 7: I wouldn't even say in the last two year. I
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  Speaker 7: have several, but I bought them several years ago and
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  Speaker 7: they just keep it. I have a couple that I
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  Speaker 7: need to replace. Actually, so maybe I'll be buying one
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  Speaker 7: in twenty six and actually I'm sure I will be.
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  Speaker 1: When's the last time you bought a blue tarp?
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  Speaker 2: A blue tarp? Blue tarp they just exist in the garage.
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  Speaker 2: You don't buy blue tarps.
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  Speaker 3: There's just showing just an endless pile of blue tarps
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  Speaker 3: that you grab.
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  Speaker 1: From that's right, of all different sizes, and some of
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  Speaker 1: them have paint on them. Yeah, some are missing the
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  Speaker 1: little rivet. You know where you tie things down. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's garage just has a blue tart portal that produces them.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to see who knows the price. It's
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  Speaker 1: eleven foot by eleven foot? Are you two ready?
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  Speaker 4: Ready?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead and reveal your answer. Set says nine ninety
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  Speaker 1: five Maggie's twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Two dollars eleven plus eleven.
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  Speaker 1: The correct answer is nine nine.
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  Speaker 4: Four pennies off.
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  Speaker 1: Well done, Set, That is going to be hard to beat.
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  Speaker 1: How did the chat, new Fiel?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Pretty well, we had several correct answers round the money
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  Speaker 4: from Harrison, Mike js Co, Ryan Daniel.
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  Speaker 1: Great job, everybody, a lot of blue tart purchasers out
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  Speaker 1: there knowing that they cost exactly nine ninety nine. That
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  Speaker 1: gives seth Morris the first point in today's game of prices?
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  Speaker 4: Right Art, Phil?
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  Speaker 1: What's next?
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  Speaker 2: Told you it's going to be bad at this game?
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  Speaker 4: Is your grand foyer feeling a little empty? Well, how
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  Speaker 4: about adding this one of a kind piece to it.
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  Speaker 4: Our next item up forbid is an entire pleasiosaur skeleton.
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  Speaker 4: Wow Jesus. This seventy million year old dinosaur was found
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  Speaker 4: in the Sahara Desert of northern Africa. It measures eighteen
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  Speaker 4: feet and weighs five hundred pounds, which actually makes it
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  Speaker 4: a small specimen for a species that grows fifty feet long.
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  Speaker 4: It has an elegantly long neck, streamlined marine body for
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  Speaker 4: a dramatic paddle like flippers, and a fierce tooth lined jaw.
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  Speaker 4: This isn't just a conversation piece. It's a conservation center piece.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that was a type of Oh it's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be conver yeah, conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, let's just take that again. This isn't just a
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  Speaker 4: conversation piece. It's a conversation center piece.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Phil, And this Jurassic piece of sea life
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  Speaker 1: can be yours if the price is right. Seth and Maggie,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think it costs to own an entire dinosa?
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  Speaker 3: I was?
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  Speaker 4: I was, this is like a little hint.
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  Speaker 7: I guess, but I was, uh, the hell creek cooligaan
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  Speaker 7: Instagram page what we were talking about. I saw they
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  Speaker 7: sold t rex too the other day for like thirty
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  Speaker 7: five grand Oh wow, okay, oh okay, it helps you
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  Speaker 7: at all.
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  Speaker 1: Seth has a reference. This is it's eighteen feet long
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  Speaker 1: and weighs five hundred pounds. And this was priced by
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  Speaker 1: the fine folks at the Fossil Shack in Utah. They
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  Speaker 1: do great work. If anyone in our listening audience is
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  Speaker 1: looking to purchase an entire dang dinosaur, they have multiple
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  Speaker 1: for sale.
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  Speaker 2: Good to know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Maggie and Seth, do you have your answer? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and reveal your answer. Set says four point
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  Speaker 1: two million. Maggie says three point one million. The correct
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  Speaker 1: answer is lower than both of those. Take another stab
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  Speaker 1: at it so we know it's less than three million dollars.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: They're coming up with their second batch of answers, an
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  Speaker 1: entire pleaseosaur skeleton. Maggie, are you ready reveal your answers?
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  Speaker 1: Seth says one point eight million. Maggie says one point
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  Speaker 1: seven The correct answer is lower than both of the fs.
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  Speaker 1: Take another swing at it. We have had three tries
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  Speaker 1: before in the prices right, we have never had four.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see if we can set a record with Seth
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  Speaker 1: and Maggie today he is less than one point seven million.
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  Speaker 1: Seth has his answer, Maggie, do you have yours? Those
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  Speaker 1: are all fail Your answer Maggie says one dollar less
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  Speaker 1: than a million, and Seth says one dollar.
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  Speaker 4: Like a strategy.
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  Speaker 1: The correct answer is four hundred and seventy five thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 1: giving Seth sec points and the victory. He was only
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and seventy five thousand dollars off, but that
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  Speaker 1: was good enough.
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  Speaker 4: That size cheaper. It's way cheaper, and I thought that
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  Speaker 4: is cheaper. We have several people get pretty close, but
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  Speaker 4: the closest without going over, I believe, was wonder Weld's
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  Speaker 4: with four forty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well done.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go buy one of those tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if we all pitched in, maybe, Yeah, Seth
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  Speaker 1: has two points, he's wrapped up to victory. We'll see
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  Speaker 1: if he can get the clean sweep and get this
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  Speaker 1: third one correct as well. All right, Phil, what do
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  Speaker 1: we have next?
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  Speaker 4: Are you struggling to find the perfect last minute gift
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  Speaker 4: for your Valentine?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well how about getting them sixty pounds of live crayfish,
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  Speaker 4: which everyone knows is the most romantic of the freshwater crustaceans.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: Of course, these live mudbugs would make our first guest
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  Speaker 4: today proud. They are rushed to your door with overnight
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  Speaker 4: shipping straight from Louisiana. This sixty pound batch has roughly
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  Speaker 4: twelve hundred crayfish that will feed ten to twenty people.
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  Speaker 4: Order by four pm today to have them in time
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  Speaker 4: for Valentine's here's the fine print. Due to DNR restrictions,
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: we can't ship to Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Michigan, Illinois was content. Pensylvania, Minnesota.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Organ Laberqui's crafish transportament included that fine print reading was
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: so great.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: If you don't know, on TV, they always speed that up.
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  Speaker 1: They hit it like, you know, times two point twenty
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  Speaker 1: five speed. Phil, he just did that all organic. I
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  Speaker 1: was sixty pounds, sixty pounds of live crayfish.
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  Speaker 4: I got my calculated getting shipped right to your door.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Oh and we're not kidding. We're not kidding about them
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  Speaker 1: being the most sexy shellfish. In Jamaican culture, crawdads are
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: considered an aphrodisiac, with local lore saying that eating crayfish
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: will help you get lucky. Phil, Can you deliver this
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  Speaker 1: next line with a Jamaican accent?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love to hear you. Yeah, mon, gonna get
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  Speaker 4: my Valentine. Some crawdaddies on love.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Couldn't trip up Phil. Phil did not want to do
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: the Jamaican accent. He said that would get him canceled,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: And Phil is I know cancelable?
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: What if?
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: What if?
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  Speaker 10: Phil?
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: What if I was like singing along to Shaggy and
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I it was very respectful and honor bull and I'm
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: peer of heart.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Singing along to Shaggy be respectful enough.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Of course, if you're singing you know it wasn't me.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Of course you could do that, Peer of Heart. It's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: a song about cheating.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Will let you do that during the finale extravaganda?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, right, so Phil says, it's okay. That's that's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: when it's fine.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Well, we've we've we've blocked out three hours for Shaggy karaoke.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: So now you are bidding on an extra Spicy batch,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: which is their hottest option. The shipping cost is calculated
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: as though they're arriving at Meat Eater HQ. So it's
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: sixty pounds of live crayfish Extra spicy getting shipped overnight
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  Speaker 1: right here to our front door.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: How are they live and extra spicy?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I imagine they send you a pack with it that
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: you add to the boil afterwards. I don't think they're
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: pre seasoning the live crayfish. Yeah, I don't know that.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna call him out because he's a he's a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: I've seen his name in the chat a lot. He
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: watches the show many weeks. His name's Garrett Spranger, and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: I know that he cheated. So Garrett, shame on you.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: I'm calling you out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you've been identified sixty pounds and this this Seth,
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  Speaker 1: you said you are looking for the perfect Valentine's Gift
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  Speaker 1: live crayfish.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's too late.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: It's not And when I said four pm, that means
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: four pm tomorrow for our podcast. They will literally get
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: it to you overnight. I don't I don't understand how
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: they pull that off. But the perfect Valentine's Gift is
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  Speaker 1: awaiting you. Do you have your answers? Go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: reveal your answers. Seth says three hundred and sixty dollars
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: he got out of his calculator to do his math.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Maggie says two hundred and forty dollars. The correct answer
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: is six hundred and forty eight dollars, twice the price
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: that Seth thought it was, but good enough to give
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: him the point and the clean.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: Sweet, clean, sweet all now that that is wrong.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Six hundred twenty dollars for the crayfish and twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: dollars for the overnight shipping.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: That's right. I see Garrett included the price without the shipping,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: and he got it right on the money. So that's
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: why I'm calling him out. Maybe he's just incredibly smart.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: He's a rain man over there, but I would see
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: two f fast guests six twenty five and we had
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: somebody else guests six hundred rob.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: So thanks for playing along, everybody, and remember help control
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: the pet population. Have your pets, Spade and Newtered. All right.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of today's show, Phil.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Let's get some final feedback from the chat.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacob asks Spencer, how is your Ham Special light
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: stash and when do we kick off the campaign to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: get it back.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I have multiple cases left Seth was just in my
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: garage and saw them up where they are kept. The
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: problem is they are starting to not taste like Ham
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Special Light, so I just had to start rifling through them.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I had this very romantic idea about, you know, maybe
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: if I have kids, someday when my son is old
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: enough to have his first beard, you know, like sixteen
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: years old. But I don't think they can make it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: if we had to that baby lack of cigarettes. So
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I kinda have to wait sixteen more years. That's that's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: too long. They're not going to make it. So I'm
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: in the next year, next two years, I need to
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: get rid of it.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: Maybe you could share some during the grand finale.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: There is an idea seth Well, said Phil. What else
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: do you have from the chat?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, this is from riding. He's asking when Blood Trail
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: season two is coming out? The hit show from Jordan Stillers,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: and it's we're hard at work on it. And by we,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: I mean Jordan and Jake are the illustrious producer of
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: this show as well. He is the editor of that show,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: and they're they're they're cranking out season two right now,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: so stay tuned. I don't know if there's an exist
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: year though, yes, if Jake Pipe's in here, he says,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: April sixteenth, I believe, so that's not it's not a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: firm date, but I think around there is when you
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: can expect it this spring. Yes, has any of you
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: fished Lake Havasu?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: No, okay, we had a trivia question about it before.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Where I think the world wreck shell cracker was caught
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: there though someone was asking about fishing Lake Habsu. Maybe
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: try to catch the next world record shell cracker while
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: you're there.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's there might be some more questions, but Price
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: is right. I'm not you know, the check. It's time.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: It's taken over. So I don't have many flagged right now.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: So if you guys want to get questions in here
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: at the end of the show, I will say that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: we had a We wished good luck to McCullough on
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: her first Havelena hunt during the show last week, and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: she was successful. We were sending some pictures and I'm
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: gonna we can.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Share those next week, Phil Convenience.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: That's fine, okay. Oh, yes, we had some questions about
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: all the Soul the Sportsman shows happening. Uh this season?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: Is anyone from the crew going to be in Harrisburg?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Is Randall going to Harrisburg?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I think Randall is going to the one in Utah,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: the Western Hunt exposing.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: He's going to Western Brent Reeves was in Harrisburg's still there,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: but he was at the case booth.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: M Okay, he was there.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: That's a tricky show because that one like two whole weeks,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: isn't it ten days? Ten days?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: If you are there though, and you want to check
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: out some meat eater merch and some first light gear,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: hit up center boot company booth, say hot to my mom,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: she's there.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Did you go to that when you were a kid?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Was that like calendar?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 11: Oh?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what did you do there?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Did you were there some trout for you to catch
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: in tanks?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: There was that.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: I never did that, but we would just walk around
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: and look at stuff, and you know, like Fantasiz dudes
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: would be there, and Lee and Tiffany and Yeah, you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: just go look at boats and look at all there's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: like a whole call section you like, check out the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: new calls for the year, just all it. Yeah, it's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: it's a huge show. I think it's the biggest east enormous.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: It might be the biggest in the country. Definitely biggest
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: east of the Mississippi.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have a trade show in your neck
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: of the wood, you should go check it out. The
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Turkey one that we're going to this week. That one
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: is like the biggest assault on all of your senses,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Like just the sound of all the calls. It's constant,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: just the bright lights and all the you know, the camouflage,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: everything happening there, the smells because you know, there's a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: lot of cooking happening there. Go check one out. You'll
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: have some tired feet after the day. You'll be happy
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: you saw everything. Anything else film.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I have to answer this one. I'm so sorry.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: It's it's video game related. Brandon is asking if I
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: ever played Guitar Hero. Brandon, I was guitar Hero, that
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: is true.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: What was your favorite song?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: That picture I showed during Radio Live either a week
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: or two ago from the band room with a trombone
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: in my hand and the long emo hair. What you
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: What I didn't say was that after the band I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: would throw my trombone in the back of my ninety
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: seven Geo Metro drive home and play Guitar Hero and
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: you know, just beat all my high scores that I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: set the night before. I never stopped playing Guitar Hero.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: I played Rock Band. I got every single achievement in
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: Rock Band two. There's one called the endless setlist, or
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: you have to play like eighty five songs in a
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: row without pausing the game. I did it. Oh, it
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: was a long time, but there are some that have
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: instrumental breaks. So that's when I sprint to the battle
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: income like you know, like like a drum solo or
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: you know, where the guitar is not not happening, And
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: I had to I had to plan those. I had
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: like a little like a notepad and I was like
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  Speaker 4: to take a break during this song because there's a
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: long and just a few months ago, I bought an
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  Speaker 4: electric drum kit and a converter so I can play
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  Speaker 4: rock band with a family, the real drum set. I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: tried to get my family into it. They don't care.
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  Speaker 4: It's a very sad.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Fill is a solo.
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  Speaker 1: Active Yeah, right, he's he's the headliner and the opening act.
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  Speaker 1: He's everything.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a fulfilling one.
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  Speaker 1: What was your favorite song, Phil, Well, that's how do.
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  Speaker 4: I choose that? I mean, I really liked from If
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: We're Gonna Go Rock Band one, well, Guitar Hero one,
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  Speaker 4: Hangar eighteen from Mega Death. I was out one or two.
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  Speaker 4: It's just half that might be two, might be getting
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: my lore mixed up. But any of the metal songs.
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  Speaker 4: For Guitar Hero, we're the most fun because it was
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  Speaker 4: just purely guitar, so those those are a lot of
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  Speaker 4: fun to play.
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  Speaker 1: Phil is so good that one time I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: what establishment we were at, but there was a Guitar
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  Speaker 1: Hero arcade game.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was at the Tap the Tap House
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  Speaker 4: on College there.
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  Speaker 1: Phil played it didn't put up a great score, and
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  Speaker 1: he said that the machine was broke.
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  Speaker 4: Well, no, I believe making sound You're making me sound
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: like a sore loser. How you just say, from from
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: literally from from two decades of playing rhythm games, that
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: I know when a machine is not calibrated correctly, and
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: unfortunately the greasy arcade cabinet in the back of the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: brewery wasn't calibrated correctly. I don't want to be one
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: of those people it says the controllers broken and when
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: I lose. But guess what, the controller was broken.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: You know.
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  Speaker 1: That's how good Phil is. I did believe him when
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: he told me that, I had no doubt that he
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: was right and the machine was wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well, I'm so I'm sorry I took that much
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: time to talk that. It's okay.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: That is the end of this week's show. We're going
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: to end right there. We'll see you act your same
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: time and place next week.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: By now later. Oh no, I didn't play the outro.
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  Speaker 4: We're still here.
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  Speaker 3: No,