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Normally Podcast: Terror in the Cockpit? Plus Mamdani, the Cornell Case & Eric Schmitt’s Big Mistake · Normally

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we're back on Normally, the show with normal-ish
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  Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird. I'm Mary-Katharine Hamm.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Carol Markowitz. That pause confused me just now. It
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: is one of those weeks. How are you, Mary-Katharine?
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe I booby-trapped you. I was like, I know what
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: I'll do.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about this, but like our listeners expect things
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: to sound exactly the way they sound every single episode.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: And you just you know, I feel like I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to write a letter of complaint.
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  Speaker 1: I understand. I, too, am a podcast listener, and I
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  Speaker 1: get bumped when I'm like, wait a second.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's not how you say hello. Oh, yeah. Well, it
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: is the end of September, and I'm excited for October,
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: even though we don't really get fall weather. I like October.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Fall's good. It was very nice here yesterday. The
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: weather is glorious today, and I'm thinking about having some
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: outdoor dinner tonight with the kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just embracing the couple of nice weeks before it becomes cold.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well, you can always come visit. We can
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: do a lot of outdoor dining here all through the winter.
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  Speaker 2: So much.
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  Speaker 1: I'll see what I can do.
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  Speaker 2: And again, if you have any Halloween suggestions for couple costumes,
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  Speaker 2: you're my go-to.
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  Speaker 1: Let me work on that.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to need you to get on that, actually,
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  Speaker 2: because we got nothing. I'm right now. We have like
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  Speaker 2: eggs and bacon, which, you know, is not good.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Shall we start with the news?
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with the news. The big story today is
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  Speaker 2: a flight from Dubai to Tel Aviv. There was an
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  Speaker 2: altercation in the cockpit between the two pilots. One of
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  Speaker 2: the pilots allegedly got an axe onto the plane and
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  Speaker 2: stabbed the other pilot with it, attempting to bring down
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  Speaker 2: the plane. The plane went into a very rapid descent.
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  Speaker 2: There's video from inside the plane, obviously. The passengers are
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  Speaker 2: all screaming and freaking out. It's a plane full of Israelis,
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  Speaker 2: so there definitely are some people being like, relax, it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: But in Hebrew?
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  Speaker 3: Amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Passengers and other crew intervened, subdued the attacker, helped secure
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  Speaker 2: the cockpit, got medical help for the pilot from a
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  Speaker 2: dentist who was on board.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of love that.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like dentists don't get enough praise.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just say it.
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  Speaker 2: And the aircraft was diverted to Tabuk, Saudi Arabia, where
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  Speaker 2: they landed safely and without any further incident. What a story. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning. I woke up to that this morning and thought, well, one,
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  Speaker 1: a plane full of Israelis, a tough choice for Trump
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  Speaker 1: to put something like this off, although it is innovative
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  Speaker 1: and scary to have the actual co-pilot be the attacker.
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  Speaker 1: That is scary. There is speculation, of course, this is early,
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  Speaker 1: that the attempt was or the intent was to take
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  Speaker 1: this plane full of Israelis and crash it somewhere. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Possibly in Israel where civilian populations are everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So congratulations to all of those brave people for foiling this.
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  Speaker 1: The New York Times, notably, in its early reporting on this,
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  Speaker 1: By the way, after I had read three different versions
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  Speaker 1: that made pretty clear what was happening here, so I
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  Speaker 1: was on top of it. Breaking news. A plane flying
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  Speaker 1: from Dubai to Israel was diverted after an altercation between
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  Speaker 1: the pilot and co-pilot, Israeli officials said. Right. And a
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  Speaker 1: later report says, while terrorism is one possible motive.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: What was the other one? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even if you're like, no, the pilot just really
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  Speaker 2: hated the other pilot. Like, do you know what happens
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  Speaker 2: if you take out the pilot on a plane? There
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  Speaker 2: are some residual effects to that. Even if we somehow
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  Speaker 2: get to where this is not terrorism, which seems extremely unlikely,
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  Speaker 2: it still was terrorism. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad that that was foiled. Did you
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  Speaker 1: see that another attack was foiled this week in Britain?
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Farmer, a lady farmer.
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  Speaker 2: A lady farmer. We love that.
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  Speaker 1: She remains anonymous, but she has stated that she rolled
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  Speaker 1: up in the countryside in the Cotswolds outside a an
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  Speaker 1: RAF base that America has used as a base for.
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  Speaker 1: launching attacks on Iran, she runs up on a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of white vans with weird markings. And then as soon
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  Speaker 1: as she's there and calling their emergency number, a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of guys flee into the woods with balaclavas on. And
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  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, this seems like a problem. So she
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  Speaker 1: calls the emergency numbers. She calls the Royal Air Force
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  Speaker 1: trying to get in touch with somebody to get this
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  Speaker 1: worked out. The British government seems not real excited that
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  Speaker 1: she's outed the fact that she was the person who
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  Speaker 1: busted this.
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  Speaker 2: What's their problem with that? I don't understand. She would
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  Speaker 2: be a national hero in America. Like, what are they
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  Speaker 2: doing over there?
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  Speaker 1: A lot of wrong things, I think. They have also
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  Speaker 1: taken the New York Times very cautious approach to saying
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  Speaker 1: whether this is like a terrorist attack.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I keep seeing Brits on Twitter being like, we
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  Speaker 2: don't make a big deal about stuff like this. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you should. You should make a big deal about stuff
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  Speaker 2: like this. And the line, I mean, so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just like the pilot said, if it wasn't terrorism, he
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  Speaker 2: was just trying to kill the other pilot for the
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  Speaker 2: hell of it or whatever. In Britain, they're saying that
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  Speaker 2: these guys were trying to steal oil. They were trying
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  Speaker 2: to steal petrol. And, you know, I don't buy it,
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  Speaker 2: but even if I did buy it, that would still
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  Speaker 2: be a big security risk that, Iranian nationals were able
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  Speaker 2: to get into the base to steal oil, maybe. Again,
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  Speaker 2: your other explanation also is no good.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, of course, they arrest these guys and
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  Speaker 1: then let them go.
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  Speaker 2: That is so baffling to me.
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  Speaker 1: It just, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm hard on Britain because I
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  Speaker 2: love Britain. I really do. I lived in Scotland for
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  Speaker 2: almost three years. I really love England, Scotland, Wales. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've never been to Northern Ireland, UK. But These are
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  Speaker 2: just amazing places that I root for and I want
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  Speaker 2: them to do well. And I feel like they're the
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  Speaker 2: last hope of Europe. The rest of Europe is looking
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  Speaker 2: like even worse than Britain somehow. And they're just doing
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  Speaker 2: these crazy things that are civilization ending, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw one the other day where somebody was
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  Speaker 1: being dealt with by the police for saying he didn't
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  Speaker 1: appreciate all the Palestinian flags. He said it on Facebook. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, got to got to get a visit from
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  Speaker 1: the police. Got to enforce the Facebook police. But they
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  Speaker 1: don't make a big deal about the unmarked vans outside
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  Speaker 1: Royal Air Force.
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  Speaker 2: They're not like you crazy Americans with your anti-terrorism. I
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  Speaker 2: have to say, the other thing is a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people today are like, you know, the only people that
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  Speaker 2: would fight back the way that Israel, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: plane full of people did were the Israelis. And I
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  Speaker 2: thought about that, like, who else would I want to
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  Speaker 2: be on a plane with? And the only other group
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  Speaker 2: I could think of that I feel like would be like,
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  Speaker 2: let's go is Americans. And that is why we have
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  Speaker 2: the close relationship that we do with Israel. I think
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  Speaker 2: the focus on values kind of always gets lost a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. Like people, you know, talk about it being
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  Speaker 2: the only democracy in the Middle East or any of that.
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  Speaker 2: That is so far secondary to the personality traits that
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  Speaker 2: I think we share and the vision of the future and.
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  Speaker 1: The cause of life.
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  Speaker 2: We love life. Both cultures love life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's a boldness and a fierce optimism in the face
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  Speaker 1: of daunting situations.
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  Speaker 2: I know, maybe sometimes misplaced fearlessness, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It's true. I'm going to play one person for you
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  Speaker 1: who is making a big deal of this. This is
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  Speaker 1: TV anchor Julia Hartley Brewer interviewing a defense secretary, UK
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  Speaker 1: defense secretary. And just I'm gonna let her go off
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  Speaker 1: for like a minute. You're the defence minister. You are
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  Speaker 1: the defence minister, son.
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  Speaker 4: What are you doing about the small boat crossings, the
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  Speaker 4: terror cells, Islamism, the threat from Russia? Why is Israel
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  Speaker 4: sanctioned when they provide a lot of our intelligence reports
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  Speaker 4: for us? Why does the government seem to ignore warnings
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  Speaker 4: from agencies and former big beasts in intelligence who connect
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  Speaker 4: immigration with the security threat because I'm I would take
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  Speaker 4: a little guess here Wes let me teach you a
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  Speaker 4: thing or two in case you don't get it yet
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  Speaker 4: I would imagine that whatever has gone down near Fairford
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  Speaker 4: the people who have done it probably came into.
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  Speaker 1: The country from somewhere else and came.
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  Speaker 4: There specifically to do whatever it is they were planning
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  Speaker 4: to do so perhaps let me make it clear you
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  Speaker 4: should join a dot right Between Iran saying, oh, we
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  Speaker 4: shipped in various terrorists from the IRGC to your country
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  Speaker 4: via a boat over the channel.
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  Speaker 2: They told you. It came out of their mouths. Who
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  Speaker 2: is that? I love her. Let's get more of her.
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  Speaker 1: She's an anchor named Julia Hartley Brewer. She goes on
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  Speaker 1: for another two minutes at him. I love it, Julia.
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  Speaker 1: Hammering it. And this is the thing about the mass
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  Speaker 1: migration enthusiasts. They never deal with. They just gaslight you
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  Speaker 1: and say, no, there's no problem. You're just a racist
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  Speaker 1: and you're just xenophobic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But then you see the problem, which everyone with common
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  Speaker 1: sense can see. And they're just like, I don't let's
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  Speaker 1: just choose not to see. Right. What are we even
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  Speaker 1: looking at here? Yeah.
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, so bad. Meanwhile, in New York City, Zoran Mamdani
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  Speaker 2: put out his plan to fight anti-Semitism. And it's a doozy,
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  Speaker 2: let me tell you. I read through the thing today.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Tackling Hate, the Mamdani administration's strategy to combat anti-Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: No mention of Jews attacked in New York City exists
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  Speaker 2: in this plan.
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding? What? That can't be real. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I know. How could that be true when
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  Speaker 2: New York City is the number one place where Jews
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  Speaker 2: get attacked? New York City has more attacks on Jews
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  Speaker 2: than all the red states combined. It's my little favorite
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  Speaker 2: factoid that I don't understand why nobody else has picked
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  Speaker 2: it up. I don't know why it's limited to me
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  Speaker 2: sharing it, but that is true. You can look it up.
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  Speaker 2: And then people are like, oh, it's by, you know, population.
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  Speaker 2: California has a lot of Jews. Florida has a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Jews. Texas has Jews. Ohio has Jews. None of
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  Speaker 2: these places are seeing the kind of thing that New
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: York City is seeing. Brooklyn is number one spot for
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  Speaker 2: physical attacks on Jews and has been for many, many years.
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  Speaker 2: In this report, no mention of anything that happened at
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  Speaker 2: Columbia University. No mention of Israel or of Zionism at all,
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  Speaker 2: or the fact that the new anti-Semitism is called anti-Zionism.
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  Speaker 2: There was this great quote from Rabbi Cosgrove. He's the
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  Speaker 2: rabbi at Park Avenue Synagogue, which I think is a
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  Speaker 2: fairly leftish synagogue. He said, grateful as I am for
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  Speaker 2: the steps outlined to construct the plan to address New
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  Speaker 2: York Jewish insecurity without addressing anti-Zionism is like writing a
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  Speaker 2: report on lung cancer without mentioning smoking. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just dereliction of duty. And apparently he does
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  Speaker 1: mention other anti-Semitic attacks like Lord of Faith in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: Right. He starts with those.
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  Speaker 1: And Charlottesville, because those are more politically convenient for him.
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  Speaker 2: To engage with than the What is it?
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  Speaker 1: 200 confirmed hate crimes against Jews between January and July
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  Speaker 1: in New York City. Right. It's quite a lot. Just
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  Speaker 1: pick one of those, maybe. One.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. A Jewish teenager was just chased in Brooklyn by
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  Speaker 2: a man wielding a knife. And when the teen ran home,
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  Speaker 2: the man screamed, now I know where you live. focus
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  Speaker 2: on that one.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, look, I didn't love Charlottesville. I didn't love
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  Speaker 2: them chanting Jews will not replace us. But this is
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  Speaker 2: now what, 2018? We're going back eight years to find
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  Speaker 2: anti-Semitism in America, because let me tell you, there's been
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: a couple of incidents since then. And that to me, again,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like the language. I hate those people. But
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  Speaker 2: it's still just words. Like to me, the far greater
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  Speaker 2: problem is the violence in the streets of New York City.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what this report should have been addressing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this reminds me of what, remember when Biden's Surgeon
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  Speaker 1: General put out a report on like youth mental health
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  Speaker 1: and closing schools for a year?
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  Speaker 2: Got like a sentence.
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  Speaker 1: It was a, no, it wasn't even that. It was
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  Speaker 1: a literal footnote in the report. It's like, the thing
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  Speaker 1: that everyone can see, you need to talk about that one.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I think that might be it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I thank you for writing a Fox News
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: piece about Miss Rachel? I love thanks. Because I think
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: people do need to know that that chick has gone
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: off the rails. Miss Rachel is the like pink headbanded, overalled,
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  Speaker 1: cutesy children's performer who now has decided he's a full-time
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  Speaker 1: anti-Israel activist.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not just Israel, right? I often say this.
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  Speaker 2: Being anti-Israel is part of a basket of leftist lunacy.
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  Speaker 2: It's why, you know, when there were climate marches in
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: the last few years, there were free Palestine, there were
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian flags. When you see an anti-data center protest, like
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: we saw recently outside the Google offices, there's a Palestinian flag.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: It's the omni-cause. So if you're leaving your kids alone
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  Speaker 2: with Ms. Rachel, understand that it's not just about Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you don't care about Israel. And I fully understand that.
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  Speaker 2: But It's not just Israel. She's got a wide range
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  Speaker 2: of Looney Tunes positions that you don't want your kids
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: exposed to. Or you don't want her building trust with
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: your kids when they're toddlers and then them seeing her
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: when they're teenagers and being like, I trust this lady.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: She used to watch me when I was a little kid. Yeah.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: It's also not just Looney Tunes takes, but actual relationships.
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  Speaker 1: really misinformed and also lies that she propagates um that
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: can be easily disproven and the idea that she's doing
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  Speaker 1: that uh with an audience as vulnerable as children is
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  Speaker 1: real problematic i i I've never wanted anything to do
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  Speaker 1: with her because of the voice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the voice is no good.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's been solidified. And to your point, she does.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Years ago, she had like a trans identifying sidekick on
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: her show. She just does whatever the thing is that
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: everyone's doing. But she does it in an overzealous manner.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: And I would not want it anywhere near my kids. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: I totally agree. Keep that away from your children. We're
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: going to take a short break and be right back
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: with more on Normally. We are back on Normally where
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: a really disturbing case is all over the internet right now.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: A 20-year-old Cornell student says she was sexually assaulted at
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: the Key 5 fraternity house in Ithaca in October 2024.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: The story is she went to police at the time
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  Speaker 2: and has since then said that they didn't take her
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: case seriously. But the story that she told police in
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: 2024 is different from the story that she's alleging in 2026.
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  Speaker 2: And so, of course, this has opened up a lot
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  Speaker 2: of conversation on the old internets. In 2024, she said
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  Speaker 2: that everything was consensual and that's why no criminal charges
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  Speaker 2: were initially filed. Now she alleges that seven fraternity members
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  Speaker 2: sexually assaulted her Over several hours and that there had
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: been drinking, there had been drugs, ketamine, marijuana, which had
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: left her incapacitated. Yeah.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: A couple of things about this. This is a civil
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: complaint that's being brought now. So it's important to understand
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: that these are all accusations from one side without anything
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: answering it at the moment. There are three versions of
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  Speaker 1: the story. And I want to make clear that unlike
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: the Duke Lacrosse case, which ended up being fabricated aside
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: from the fact that these people were in the same
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: place at the same time, and unlike the UVA case,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: which was made up out of whole cloth, written about
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: in Rolling Stone, reasons that you would be skeptical of
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: these cases that become giant national stories without having all
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the facts. This one is confirmed. The encounter happened. No
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: one's disputing that the encounter happened. that the sexual contact
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: took place. And the question is, was this consensual? Was
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: this criminal? Were they treated with kid gloves? There are
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  Speaker 1: three different versions of the story, though. There's the one
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  Speaker 1: that she gives in a statement to the DA in 2024,
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  Speaker 1: which does indicate that she was conscious and that she
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: was actively engaging throughout and that it wouldn't, you know,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: several lawyers have noted this really wouldn't meet the statutory
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: requirements to do a criminal prosecution. Right. because of these things.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: There's also parts in that original account that say when
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: she set a limit that they observed the limit. Nonetheless,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: there are seven men involved. This is very bad, immoral behavior.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they're sending out messages to say.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Come have some fun.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So really bad behavior. There's also... When she spoke to
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  Speaker 1: the original police at Cornell... There's allegedly a transcript that
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: is more detailed than her statement to the DA. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested in what that says. But the criminal complaint
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: is very different than the one or the excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: the civil complaint is very different from the one that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: she gave in 2024. And that is where, you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it becomes tricky for in a court of law to
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  Speaker 1: adjudicate this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a really terrible story. The text
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: messages are disgusting. It's really just, I mean, awful. But
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: is it a rape case? It simply doesn't sound like
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it based on her original statements. And it's tough to
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: have to have that conversation and say, you know, there
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: have been very splashy, high profile cases before that turned
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: out to be either, like you said, completely made up or,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: you know, lied about. And so it's It's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: hard to care about people who engage in disgusting behavior
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  Speaker 2: like this, but these men now are losing their livelihoods.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: One has been fired from Wells Fargo before there's any
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  Speaker 2: court case, before the civil trial even proceeds. And, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: it's a tough question of whether a woman who consents
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: to stuff like this, what the end result is and
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: what it should be.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: There's also sort of a myth out there that there
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: was no punishment doled out by Cornell. There was there
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: was an investigation by Cornell. They immediately, at least temporarily,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: suspended Kai Fai and I think several of those brothers.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: There were there was an expulsion of at least one
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: of them and there were punishments for others and suspension
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and various things. So there was not no. punishment. And
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I think one of the things that gets cast aside
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: whenever we do a Me Too story is And it
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't get cast aside when we're talking about criminal activity
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: by illegal immigrants, by the way. The same people who
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: say we should cast aside due process now don't agree.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: If you're picking up a Salvadoran guy who's been found
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: guilty of several rapes, right? They think that he should
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: have multiple chances at due process. In this case, look,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's true that women are sometimes not taken seriously.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: That it can be re-victimizing and re-traumatizing to have to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: go to the police and adjudicate this. To try to
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: adjudicate it in court. That many women decide, oh, I
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: don't want to bring this forward because it sounds like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: it would be horrible and I'll eventually not win. Okay? Also,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: due process is an extremely valuable civilizational support beam that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: we do not want to just pretend doesn't exist. Right. Right.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point about the same people
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: who want due process for illegal immigrants don't want due
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: process here. You have to have it. That's just, it's
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: what our civilization is built on. One of the things
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: is that her statement to campus police and the DA
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: in the Cornell 7 case says that she said all
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: activities on the night in question were voluntary, conscious, and consensual. So,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: You know, does that make sense? You know, somebody said
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: on Twitter that made no sense in the first place
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: because who gives a statement to police about a fully
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: consensual encounter? But according to a new reporting, she told
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: campus police, I can say with 100 percent confidence I
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: was raped and that was during the assault. She was
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: being hit at the same time, physically hit very hard.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And so it's it's it is a confusing situation that
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I hope they get to the bottom of.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I do want to say also, because we get into
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: this like sexual politics discussion and the I confess to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: being confused by the reaction of the left often because
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it's bad and funny and mockable for Mike Pence to
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: have rules for not putting himself in a bad position.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: observe very carefully the vows of his marriage. Right. But
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: because there are no sexual mores and sexual mores are
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: dumb and everything is sex positive and laudable and empowering
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: for women. But then you get to this situation where
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: some of her statements indicate this is a consensual group activity.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: The old sort of third wave feminism would tell you
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: that that is fine and empowering.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that she's allowed to have that kind of consensual activity.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Right, as long as everyone consents. It's also interesting that
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: everyone knows exactly what a man and a woman is
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: as soon as we have this discussion.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: It's amazing, yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And I would say.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they're also like, what woman would consent to this?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: But like you say that women would consent to all
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: kinds of crazy things. So now now no woman would
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: consent to this.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a there's an argument that the men should
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: have understand because no, quote, normal woman would consent to this.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm just I'm confused by the whole sex positive take,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: depending on the moment. I understand that consent matters. Also,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: her account matters. And I think like just in advising
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: my own children and having lived my own life, like
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: We've lost the language of if you engage in something
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: like this, man or woman, although I think women are
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: more susceptible to the sort of spiritual damage from it. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: You're scooping a hole out of your soul if you
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: do this kind of thing too often. It's bad and immoral.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: You will not feel good. And instead of having that
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: conversation because it feels prudish and icky to judge, we
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: go straight to consent and legal ramifications.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: That's right. Such a good point. Mary Catherine, you are
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: killing it today.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of caught points.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: All right. We're going to take a short break and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: be right back with more on Normally. All right.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: We are back on Normally with, I apologize, a cringe
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: fest for you guys in this last segment, but we
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: must do it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I can't watch this again. I can't.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I've rarely seen anything like this, even in a Senate
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: committee hearing. And look, senators are not generally renowned for
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: nailing their line of questioning, as Carol and I make
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: clear all the time. This is Republican Senator Eric Schmidt
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: of Missouri. And he's putting a line of questioning to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: former special prosecutor Jack Smith about where he was and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: when and whether he might have perjured himself by lying
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: about where he was. We're not going to play the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: full like seven minutes of this unfolding.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: No, we're just going to let you cringe for like
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: two minutes.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: But I'll say what he's attempting to do is establish
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: some sort of conspiracy where Jack Smith, investigating Trump, would
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: have gone to Atlanta to meet with Fannie Willis, the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: now disgraced legal figure down there who was doing a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: case against Donald Trump. But he gets it wrong in
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a very specific and checkable way that Amy Klobuchar is
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: happy to check. Let's listen.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Did you go to an NBA game between the Golden
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: State Warriors and the Atlanta Hawks on February 3rd, 2024?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: What city would that be in?
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Atlanta.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: No.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: So your testimony today is that you did not go
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: to a Hawks game on February 3rd, 2024. Is that correct?
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I have no recollection.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: OK, is it your testimony that you were not in
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Atlanta on February 3rd, 2024? Let me let me just
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: give you a little context. The day before Fannie Willis
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: came clean with her affair with the prosecutor, you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: the Atlanta prosecutor that was also trying to get Trump.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: The next day, were you in Atlanta?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I do not believe so.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: Did you ever go to Atlanta during your time as
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: special counsel?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I really don't think so. It's possible I flew through
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the Atlanta airport on the way to Florida, but I
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: do not have a recollection of going to Atlanta. I
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: definitely did not go to a Hawks game.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure of that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: If this is the correct basketball game. I recall going
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: to a University of Maryland basketball game where Caitlin Clark
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: was playing right around that time, and the Marshal Service
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: was there with me. You could check if that was
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: the exact date. It was Maryland playing Iowa, I think,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: February of 2024. But again, you could check that out
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: if that's what we're talking about.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: University of Iowa. Is it the Hawkeyes? Yes.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Could.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Could it then be that University of Iowa is the Hawkeyes?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Could that be it?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And maybe before we show this kind of thing.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: But if he was at an Iowa game, is that correct?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: It was because Caitlin Clark was coming to Maryland to play.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: It's funny because Klobuchar could have been so, so much
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: more pointed.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And she actually was just.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Like, could it be you've made a mistake, sir?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: It could have gone so hard, but I guess don't
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: mess with your adversary when he's shooting himself in the foot.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: This is a giant mistake.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: You know, he calls Smith a dirtbag and alleges he's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: perjured himself. And you really got to you really got
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: to check that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You got to you got to have your ducks
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: in a row for that kind of thing. I like
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the guy. I like Schmidt. I don't I you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't like seeing him. I didn't like seeing any
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of this really. I watched this whole thing with like
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: my fingers over my face. Like, oh my God, this
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: is so bad. And he's still kind of holding to the,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't make a mistake. I, you know, he was
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: at a basketball game and it's like, you just made
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a mistake.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Like, let's just say, I'm sorry. I messed this up.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: There's a fantastic curb your enthusiasm level zoom on Katie
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Britt's face when she realizes what's happening. And she's just
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: cannot like jaw on the floor. It would have taken
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a lot for Eric Schmidt to cancel out one of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the coolest things I've ever seen a senator do spontaneously,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: which is that diving catch at the congressional baseball game.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, did he do that?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there he bloodied his nose. And I don't know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I think I'm glad he had some cool credit before
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: this happened, because yowza, yowza.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's a toughie. Well, thanks for joining us
• 28:43
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