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TMCP Ep 22: Will David Benavidez Ever Get His Big Shot? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
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  Speaker 1: unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
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  Speaker 1: in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Town
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  Speaker 1: with six wins, three losses, two arrests, four late payments
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  Speaker 1: on student loans and two total painkruptcies hits the Classy
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  Speaker 1: I've got hold.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, and welcome back to another episode of the
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  Speaker 2: Mixed Company Podcast. Of course, my name is Jamison Welsh.
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  Speaker 2: As always, I'm with my Coe's the classy alcoholic classy.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on? Uh?
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  Speaker 3: You know, Jamison, I'll be honest, I'm a bit bummed
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  Speaker 3: out right now because of this new story that came
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  Speaker 3: out over the weekend. Normally talking about boxing is a
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  Speaker 3: lot of fun on the show. There's nothing fun about
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  Speaker 3: the story we're about to get into. Turns out, the
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  Speaker 3: two Japanese boxers died after fighting in the same event
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  Speaker 3: in Tokyo weekend. The first is shiget Toshi Katari. He
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  Speaker 3: collapsed after the end of his twelve round fight. He
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  Speaker 3: had to have emergency surgery for a subdural hematoma but
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  Speaker 3: didn't recover, and the next day after that, Hirosa Urkawa
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  Speaker 3: died from the same injury, and both guys were only
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  Speaker 3: twenty eight years old, which is really really tragic. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the cliche phrase that used a lot is you don't
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  Speaker 3: play boxing, and while that's true, we can't forget what
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  Speaker 3: it actually means is that boxing is a dangerous and
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  Speaker 3: potentially deadly sport. These fighters are literally taking their lives
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  Speaker 3: into their hands when they get into the ring, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not exaggerating or being dramatic about that, and the
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  Speaker 3: depths of these two fighters showed that. So it's really tragic.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I personally push back so often on boxing
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  Speaker 3: fans with their little instagrament grand comments and Twitter fingers
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  Speaker 3: colin fighters bums saying a boxer only fights nobody. You know,
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  Speaker 3: this is what's really on the line, where when y'all
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  Speaker 3: are making these comments, these guys's lives. So I just
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  Speaker 3: want to get your your thoughts on the situation.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely unfortunate. It is a constant reminder that you
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  Speaker 2: can die in the ring. It's a constant reminder that
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  Speaker 2: this is not a safe sport. It's a sport. It's
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  Speaker 2: a combat sport where you can literally die in the ring,
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  Speaker 2: like die, like literally die there's a situation where we
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  Speaker 2: think that, oh, they're just fighting in the ring, that's boxing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they're just we don't see a lot of brawls anymore,
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  Speaker 2: so it doesn't it's not the front of your mind
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  Speaker 2: when that happens. But we know that man boxing is
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  Speaker 2: boxing man, and it's one of those things where, for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, if the somebody is not healthy going into it,
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  Speaker 2: somebody takes a bad hit in the middle of a fight,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, it can be very bad. It
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  Speaker 2: can be a very very bad situation. But with that
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  Speaker 2: being said, definitely condolences to those gentlemen who did pass unfortunately.
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  Speaker 2: I do think we do take a lot of precautionary
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  Speaker 2: measures in the States when it comes to boxing. Very
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  Speaker 2: rarely is there any funny play or any foul play
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  Speaker 2: like that here. I think our refs are probably overly
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  Speaker 2: cautious when it comes to stoppages and warnings and signs
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  Speaker 2: and whatnot, which is a good thing, but just in general,
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  Speaker 2: it is a constant reminded that hey, you can die
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  Speaker 2: in that ring.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Another thing I always really don't like is when a
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  Speaker 3: ref stops a fight and you got the fancy bad stuffage.
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  Speaker 3: Let him keep going, Let him keep going. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, You're not in there, You're not
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  Speaker 3: seeing you know, it's very different watching a guy getting
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  Speaker 3: beat up on TV than it is being you know,
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  Speaker 3: right in front of you. And in these cases, most
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  Speaker 3: of the time I am going to defer to refs.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll say, well, maybe he could have gone, you know,
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  Speaker 3: finished the round or something like that. But very rarely,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't I don't know enough to say
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  Speaker 3: that with confidence ever.
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  Speaker 2: That. But also, here's the thing. We're mature. All of
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  Speaker 2: people are not mature. So at people just want to
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  Speaker 2: see blood, someone die, get hurt. We are mature. We
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  Speaker 2: are people who are in life. We understand how life works.
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  Speaker 2: You have families, So for us, we don't want to
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  Speaker 2: see somebody you fight to the death. We want to
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  Speaker 2: see a good, clean fight and people make home to
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  Speaker 2: their families. Some people don't care about any of that.
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  Speaker 2: They just want to see somebody die or somebody gets
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  Speaker 2: seriously hurt. And I'm not really here for that.
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  Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, when when we talk about, well this fight
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  Speaker 3: was kind of boring, I don't enough punches were thrown.
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  Speaker 3: We want to see you know, exciting fights, that's what
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  Speaker 3: the sport is about. But this sport is never going
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  Speaker 3: to be better if more athletes are not even just dying,
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  Speaker 3: but like getting seriously injured, you know, having their livelihoods,
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  Speaker 3: you know, ruined because of a fight Like that's not
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  Speaker 3: what makes the sport more exciting or more fun. So
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more notes on this situation. The Japanese
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  Speaker 3: Boxing Commission announced that this was the Oriental and Pacific
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  Speaker 3: Boxing Federation. They said their title BBOTS will now be
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  Speaker 3: ten rounds out of twelve. The exact reason why boxing
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  Speaker 3: went from fifteen rounds to twelve in the eighties was because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a fighter died and a fighter named dub
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  Speaker 3: kuk Kim, and you know that was a very clear
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  Speaker 3: response to that tragedy. So the reports of Japanese media
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  Speaker 3: are also talking about dehydration as a concern. When newspaper
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  Speaker 3: said dehydration makes the brain more susceptible to bleeding, quote,
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  Speaker 3: that sounds right to me. I'm not a doctor. I'm
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  Speaker 3: a dumb dum who barely graduated college with a political
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  Speaker 3: science degree. But I've also brought up personally on this
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  Speaker 3: show how I think I don't like how fighters put
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  Speaker 3: themselves in potentially dangerous or situations to make weight for
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  Speaker 3: a fight in a way that affects their health, especially
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  Speaker 3: because if you're struggling as a fighter to make that
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  Speaker 3: weight and your you know, health is in jeopardy, you're
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  Speaker 3: not going to fight it that weight anyway. You're going
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  Speaker 3: to rehydrate afterwards. So, like, I don't know, maybe there's
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  Speaker 3: something that could be done that says if have fight
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  Speaker 3: closer to the weight that you're actually working ticket down on.
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  Speaker 3: Not the cutting in itself.
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  Speaker 2: Is bad, I don't know, and the supplements guys take
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  Speaker 2: to cut weight, the things are putting in their body
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  Speaker 2: to cut weight. Most of the fights take place when
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  Speaker 2: it's tight outside. It's just a very bad mixture, like
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. That's why I do give
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  Speaker 2: credit to guys who are constantly in shape, who don't
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  Speaker 2: have to do anything drastic a week before the fight
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  Speaker 2: or day before the fight, because they put with your
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  Speaker 2: body at risk and all your other organs at risk.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I don't know enough about this to really speak
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  Speaker 3: on you know, what it takes to to cut weight
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  Speaker 3: to get in fighting shape at all. But there are
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  Speaker 3: guys that are just you know, like you said, really
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  Speaker 3: in shape, really checked and ready and able to take
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  Speaker 3: a fight. Don't drop ten pounds on top of that. Again,
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  Speaker 3: it's my opinion, but you know that's just me as
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  Speaker 3: a late person and just thinking about the health of
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  Speaker 3: the athletes. You know, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: I would never call myself like a libertarian because I
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  Speaker 3: think that ideology is kind of stupid, that kind of
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  Speaker 3: fits very But I personally don't think that many things
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  Speaker 3: should be banned or criminalized. You know, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: things can have adverse effects. Drinking alcohol is perfectly legal,
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  Speaker 3: and it has the ability to ruin your life. I
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  Speaker 3: am the perfect, perfect example of that. People have gambling
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  Speaker 3: additions that ruin their lives. I still don't think gambling
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  Speaker 3: should be made legal at all. You know, I think
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  Speaker 3: Boston should be made as safe as possible. But at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, you can't totally remove the
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  Speaker 3: danger from some activities. No matter how safe you try
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  Speaker 3: to make skydiving, you're still jumping out of a damn airplane.
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  Speaker 3: So what I really believe and what I call them
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  Speaker 3: like my personal philosophy is that people should have as
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  Speaker 3: much information as possible in order to make a decision
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  Speaker 3: for themselves, even if it's a bad one. We have
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  Speaker 3: the right to make bad decisions, but we got to
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  Speaker 3: be honest and upfront and say this could potentially happen,
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  Speaker 3: this is a risky sport activity, et cetera. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you decide to go for it, by a condios.
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  Speaker 3: But that's that's kind of where I land with those
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  Speaker 3: kinds of things.
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  Speaker 2: That and also, you don't want any negativity going towards
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  Speaker 2: the sport, you know what I mean, if someone passes
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  Speaker 2: or those health issues or story issues, it's not good
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  Speaker 2: for the sport. And this is not good for the sport,
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  Speaker 2: even though obviously it didn't happen in America, but it's
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  Speaker 2: still not good. It's not a great thing. It's not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily a black eye. It's just never good when somebody
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  Speaker 2: gets killed in the line of the sport.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the most evil thing is you
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  Speaker 3: can kind of suppress information like the NFL trying to
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  Speaker 3: downplay or you know, suppress information on CTE. I think,
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  Speaker 3: and I know it's not good, like you said, for
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  Speaker 3: the sport, but I would always rather say here, say
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  Speaker 3: you can do this, you can achieve, you know, make
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  Speaker 3: money off of this the NFL or boxing achieve greatness
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  Speaker 3: POSA or you could be seriously injured for the rest
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  Speaker 3: of your life, and just put that out there. Let's
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  Speaker 3: just be more open, you know. I I know that's
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  Speaker 3: never going to happen. I just feel that that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of the the ideal way to make decisions in life, right,
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, can Nolan's just to both of these fighters
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  Speaker 3: and to their families. You know, it's a it's a
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  Speaker 3: terrible situation, but I just wanted to get out there
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  Speaker 3: up front and just remind everybody, you know, these boxers
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  Speaker 3: are real people. They're not just you know, faces on
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  Speaker 3: an Instagram. And yes, we talk a lot about guys
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  Speaker 3: who've had dozens of fights, twenty fights, thirty fights, you know,
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  Speaker 3: their legends. They make a lot of money, the biggest
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  Speaker 3: names out there, but there's a lot of people out
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  Speaker 3: there that don't make it and are still putting their
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  Speaker 3: lives at risk every time they get into the ring.
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  Speaker 3: So let's remember that when we talk about the sport.
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  Speaker 3: Moving on to our next story, Dmitri bevol is recovering
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  Speaker 3: from back surgery for the next six to eight weeks
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  Speaker 3: and will not be returning to the ring in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty five, so no Better be Of trilogy this year. Also,
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  Speaker 3: kind of the worst thing is poor David Benevitez, That
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  Speaker 3: poor bastard, he keeps getting denied an opportunity. He wanted
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  Speaker 3: to fight the winner of Bevoll Better be of Turkey.
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  Speaker 3: Alahik said that he'd be willing to do it, then
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  Speaker 3: backed out, got duck by Canelo, got duck by bevol
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I just kind of feeling bad for
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  Speaker 3: the guy. You know, he's a great fighter. He deserves,
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  Speaker 3: you know, more chances than he's gotten, and he's just
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  Speaker 3: been getting kind of screwed. There is talk of a
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  Speaker 3: possible Better be Of versus Benavitez, which is something that
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  Speaker 3: my my drug cask is going to have trouble slurring
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  Speaker 3: through that for the next year, Better be Of versus
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  Speaker 3: bena Vetez matchup. Both of them are going to fight
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  Speaker 3: and be odd this November twenty second that card is
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  Speaker 3: actually will have him du La Mason, Ben Rodriguez and
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  Speaker 3: Devin Haney. You're my legitimate vary on that one. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what do we think about what do
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  Speaker 3: we think really at the end of the day, the
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  Speaker 3: question is Benavitez's situation here, because he's the one I
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  Speaker 3: feel most for.
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  Speaker 2: He's in a rough spot because guy wants to fight
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  Speaker 2: won't fight him. You know, the second next challenger as issues.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just weird. It's a weird situation, like it
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  Speaker 2: sucks because in boxing, the long you wait, the worst
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  Speaker 2: things get, you know what I mean. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: thing about boxing is like, you know, you kind of
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  Speaker 2: have to strike with I on top, because when it's not,
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  Speaker 2: you're in trouble. Why you're in a lot of trouble.
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  Speaker 2: So I really don't know what he basically asked to fight,
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  Speaker 2: stay active while avoid getting knocked out or knocked down
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  Speaker 2: or any trouble. Because here's the thing too, when you wait,
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  Speaker 2: you better win. If you wait and lose, it's all over.
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  Speaker 2: So those are things that's very tricky about boxing. That's
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  Speaker 2: why boxing is very fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if it is a talented enough guy that
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  Speaker 3: I think, if he's gonna fight, he always has a
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  Speaker 3: very very good chance to win. So I'm not as
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  Speaker 3: worried about him taking a fight and then getting humiliated,
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  Speaker 3: knocked out or a lot. Of course, it can always happen.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm you know, I would always put my chips
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  Speaker 3: on him. But the question is how many fights could
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  Speaker 3: he take before people are just like, oh yeah, that
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  Speaker 3: guy that Canela never fought. You know, it's does this
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  Speaker 3: guy get a fade away without really you know, getting
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  Speaker 3: his fast shot.
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  Speaker 2: So it depends because it depends how it's marketing. Because
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  Speaker 2: the fights are marketed and people are watching, you're fine.
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  Speaker 2: The issue is you gotta have people watching a fight
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  Speaker 2: in having a demand for him to fight. It's biggest thing.
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  Speaker 2: Because what happens when there's a fight goes on but
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  Speaker 2: does not all TV can't find it knowing will be
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  Speaker 2: talking about it. That's when it gets spooky. But if
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  Speaker 2: he's fighting and he's on a co headline with someone
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  Speaker 2: else that's pretty popular, he'll be fine. As long as
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  Speaker 2: he's a your The main thing is winning. That's the
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  Speaker 2: first thing. Whatever fight you're in, you gotta win. Secondly,
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  Speaker 2: your win has to be talked about. And as long
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  Speaker 2: as those two things happen, everything else usually takes care
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  Speaker 2: of himself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think better Beef still has some cachet.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he he won the first be Ble fight,
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  Speaker 3: lost a second, so it's not like this man is lost,
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  Speaker 3: you know, fight fights in a row. Plus he's got
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  Speaker 3: a great legacy. He is an excellent fighter. It took
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  Speaker 3: a lot, it took a long time for somebody to
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  Speaker 3: take him down. So I think that matchup will still
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  Speaker 3: be good. I don't know how much more better Bev
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  Speaker 3: has left in him, just in terms of you know,
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  Speaker 3: age and thinking about retirement. Not that he's not even
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  Speaker 3: saying that he's lost a step, but you know, you
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  Speaker 3: can't do this forever. Better being is I think he's
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  Speaker 3: still got some guess in the tank.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I have been on record as saying that I wanted
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  Speaker 3: a Bevill Better be Of trilogy first and then having
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  Speaker 3: Benavidez get a shot at the winner. But at this point, man,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think Benavidez should should keep
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  Speaker 3: waiting for this for this trilogy. But I don't know
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  Speaker 3: Bevill still he's still the big name, whether he's going
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  Speaker 3: to be out for a few weeks, Like he got
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  Speaker 3: went into surgery a star and he didn't you know,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't get it was nothing that he did something
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  Speaker 3: stupid or you know, got himself, you know, injured. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know partying and get drunk and falling off of
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  Speaker 3: a balcony or whatever. It's just an ongoing back issue.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't see Beevil's kind of stock crashing. When
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  Speaker 3: he comes back in twenty six, I think it'll be
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  Speaker 3: a welcome return for him. But man, I just feel,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, I feel that that Benavidez just keeps
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  Speaker 3: losing his his opportunity to strike it really big. So
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  Speaker 3: and you know we talked about before about him waiting
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  Speaker 3: out of Canelo pay Day. Him fighting Beebel is not
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a light back, Like I said, the man
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  Speaker 3: is a start like he's if he really wants to to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, make a make a good return, save up
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  Speaker 3: enough money an esteg a Beevil fight would absolutely be
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  Speaker 3: worth it.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big question mark right now as to as
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  Speaker 3: to what's gonna happen for twenty six, but really also
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  Speaker 3: the for the rest of twenty five. You know, the
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  Speaker 3: biggest name in boxing names in boxing, or Canela Crawford.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't even know what's gonna happen after September
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  Speaker 3: and what we have to look forward to, because that's
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  Speaker 3: taking the oxygen out of the.
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  Speaker 2: Route So here's the thing. If that fight is any
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  Speaker 2: kind of clothes, if it is one sixteen, one twelve,
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  Speaker 2: either direction are tighter, we're gonna have a rematch, just
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  Speaker 2: like all that now be about a month out. If
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  Speaker 2: that fight is any kind of clothes, and that fight
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  Speaker 2: is if you can make an argument for either one
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  Speaker 2: winning or a draw, We're getting a match for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of reasons, primarily money. That's the first thing. There's
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  Speaker 2: no one else either guy could fight to make more money.
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  Speaker 2: And if it's a good fight and it's close or
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  Speaker 2: a draw, there'll be more intrigued and say, hey, let's
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  Speaker 2: run that back. So I hope people understand that. That's
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  Speaker 2: why anyone who's trying to fight Canelo is kind of
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  Speaker 2: in a rough spot because if you wait, it might
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  Speaker 2: be a two year wait. They have a rematch, it's
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  Speaker 2: not gonna be in December. You'll probably look at next May.
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  Speaker 2: If there's a rematch more than likely maybe sooner, you're
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  Speaker 2: probably looking at next May. Maybe. So if you're waiting
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  Speaker 2: for either of these guys, there's a possibility you might
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  Speaker 2: be on at least at minimum one year weight, but
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  Speaker 2: there's a chance to be eighteen months to two years,
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  Speaker 2: So I don't that's where it's difficult. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think this is the fight that gets made and talked
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  Speaker 2: about first, and you know, we'll see what happens after
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  Speaker 2: the first one and then we go from there. But also,
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  Speaker 2: both these guys are getting kind of up there too.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have a whole lot more fights left. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's not why oh they're gonna be fighting for twenty
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  Speaker 2: more times? No, No, I hypothetically this might be Crawford's
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: last go if he's gonna make a bunch of money
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: off this. He's moved up two classes and wait, we
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: know it. See happits with guys at this age that
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: move up like that. I don't have any more fights
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: for I personally do not. I would be shocked. I
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: honestly would be shocked.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see Canelos changing his brand up of
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: fighting May in September. That's been his thing. You know,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: it's worked out well for him as as fans of him,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: which I am, you know, I know to expect it.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: I know that to be ready for the Canelo fight season.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, if if this is close like you said,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: and there is gonna be a rematch, which I do
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: believe I expect it to be made. I do not
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: expect this to be run back as fast as December.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: I just don't see another reason too, you know, Canela,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Like I said, it's getting older. He needs his downtime.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: You know, he needs his recovery time. And we've seen
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: the guy, love the guy, but you know we've seen
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: his last TEW performance. This has been a bit spar
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: compared to just the last like let's call it, like
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: four years ago. Uh so I do not see a
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: rematch happening before me. I agree with you on that,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean, uh, Beta Videz has gotta has
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: got to find something. He's got to get some opportunity.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I'm glad he's he's back in November, you know, I'm
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: glad he and he's on you know, the the read
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: season card, the ring for they call it card. So
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: you know he's got big names. Devin Haney is disappointed
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: as we've been in him. You know, he's still name recognition.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Abdullah Mason, his story is only rising. So he's in
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: with a good He's you know, he's not in the
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: he's not a coach. My man is still in first class.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I think so so I'm happy for him for that.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Uh I do expect a lot of chat about the
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: better be of follow up after November after they both fight,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: seeing how their fights go down, But same thing. I
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: don't let's see, but uh I feel bad. I don't
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: know the name off the top of my head, but
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: better be a fighting a guy named Dean Nicholson who
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I'm actually not familiar with, don't know anything about his
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: style skills, and there was twenty two and one, but
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: I it's it's I'm not I'm never likely to bet
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: on a better be of loss, So yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: So I expect both these guys to come out victorious
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: and you know, hopefully maybe maybe before May, maybe before
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: the second Canelo Crawford fight, these guys will will have
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: a shot and you know, we'll we won't have Canelo
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Crawford sucking the oxygen again out of the room for
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: everybody else. And speaking of which, there's only so after
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: this episode. There's only two more episodes of our show
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: before Canelo Crawford. So for the next one, you know,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: we'll there'll be a lot of to talk about it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: But that final one is going to be a full
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Canelo Crawford extravaganza, So prepare yourselves.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: For that, all right.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Moving on to another big name of the sport whose
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: stock has risen and fallen like crazy over the years,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: but many Pakiao our Man has been officially ranked as
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: the number one WBC welterweight contender after his comeback fight.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: You Jamison made the great point that after his draw
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: against Mario Barrios, his group chat was probably buzzing, telling him, man,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: he looked great, he could probably fight again. There's no
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: way he's not coming back for another fight after this
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: breaking right, This is just gonna add fuel to the group.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: One better. We probably got two or three more left. No,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: you're right, You're right. Hey, if the money's there, the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: money is there. If he fights Tank in December or
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: in January, that's a big fight somewhere that's gonna sell
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: out twenty thousand plus seats. People gonna watch and tune in.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Even you get this face knocked off, people still gonna watch,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you know. So it'ser some one of those things where
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: if there's money to be made, especially in this economy
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: where everything is getting cut off, everything is not things
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: are you know, there's a struggle to make money these days.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: So if you're able to make twenty million dollars in
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: a night or thirty million dollars in a night, I
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: think he's gonna take the chance to do it. Hey,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's gonna happen. And right, so if you
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: train and look like he did. No, No, of course
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it wasn't prime manny. Right, it wasn't O seven manny
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: or oh, it wasn't any of that stuff. But it
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: looked relatively well for a guy that age and his experienced.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: So my thing is this, if he continues, he's not
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: just fighting no tuna fight, He's gonna fight some sort
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: of somebody with a name. Because you have to have
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: a draw, you gotta bring some money to the table,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: which is fine. I'm just curious what direction they going
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: in because the next fight will kind of give us
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: a direction on how they want to milk this. Cause
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: he fights let's type of thing. Let's say he fights
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: with Devin Haine, just hypothetically speaking, then okay, there's probably
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: a two more fights after that. Wind lose a draw.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: If it's a tank, then are you got one left?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: We kind of happen in that fight, We kind of
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: idea what would happen but we know that the major payday.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: So it just depends on what this campus looking like
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and what they're what they're talking about. But I know
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the group TET was buzzing because like, hey man, we
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: got a couple more fights. We can take advantage of
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the situation. I think that's what's going on.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: You've already said struck when the iron is hot. I
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: mean it's just like that's a universal truth, not just
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: in the sport anytime. So my man is is hot again,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: and yes, people are gonna win even if he loses.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: That clip of him get knocked out by Marquezes it
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: keeps coming around. That doesn't get old. People love it,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: you know people.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: So I remember that night I'm watching that fight. I
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: told someone, somebody gotta go. Somebody's gonna get dropped. There
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: was It wasn't going to the cars the way they
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: were fighting, the way what happened previously in the round,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: previously in the in the previous rounds, that that's the
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: only way it was gonna end. Somebody was gonna get
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: knocked out like that. It has happened to be Manny.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: That clip was on Instagram and it was without commentary,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: just the sounds of the fight and when the knockout happened,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: in my head, I of course heard he's not getting up, Jim,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: he's not getting up, because that's burned in my brain,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: right right, right, Well here's the one for you. Let's
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: let's add a wrinkle here. I think Manny needs a win,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: like a win win in this in his next fight,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: which will and it's not it's a matter of when.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: It's a matter of it what if.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: He does when win. I just think, honestly, a competitive
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: fight keeps him fighting. Okay, that's the thing. If your competitive,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: if you can we can make an argument that hey
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: could have won that one or a it was close.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: That keeps you fighting. When you get when you get
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: dropped or if you're getting washed, then it's like all right, man,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: hanging up. That's why the Devin An anything is interesting
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: because you fight a guy like that, he got the chance.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying he's gonna win, but you gotta
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: got a better chance versus Tank, even though I think
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Tank has some other issues, but I think you gotta,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: you gotta, you got honest action in these bouts. So
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: it's just it's this interesting to see that's all, okay, okay,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: So you.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Think that if he has a competitive fight still loses,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: that he would come back for another one, maybe even
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: two or three more and.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Long as the money's there long and it will be
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: because people want to fight. We don't have a lot
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: of fights that draw the casual person in. I think
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: that's what's so big about Canela Crawford is it's drawing
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: casual fans in. We need more fights that draw casual
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: people and I'm glad we're talking about this. Over the weekend,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: UFC and Paramount Plus came to an agreement with the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: fall our stuff on Paramount Plus and CBS. Boxing needs
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: something like that immediately. I understand dazz In or Zone,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I understand some things with Amazon and all that. You
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: need somewhere where we know what every fight's going to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: be on and we know that every now and then
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a fight on network television. If you
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: want the sport to grow, it has to be that way.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: In the last twelve months, we've seen both the WWE
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and UFC get network contracts. Boxing needs to figure it
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: out soon because they're going to get left behind. That's
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: not good and it yes, it is different than UFC
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and WWE, but they're all similar to where they are
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: all in a Simil swats where they all had high
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: payer views once upon time. That's the longer the case anymore.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing that makes them completely equal is that
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: they all want the most eyeballs possible. Like that's that's
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: another universal truth. Like you know, you can't play it
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: to nobody. And I think that both UFC and WE
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: even smart for the direction they were going, and boxing
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: is going completely opposite. They're completely different direction. So I
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: have said before, you know, We've talked about this many
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: times on the show. I'm not as optimistic about the
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: future of boxing when it's not available, if not it's
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: on if it's not on ESPN, like you said, regular TV. Yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: and the popularity has wayne compared to UFC, of course,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: but you still you still gotta try. Man he still
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: gotta try as hard as you can to make new
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: fans and get new viewers. And I just don't know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that's gonna look like. But you know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: so far, these couple of names that have been you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: kind of flow around Manny Pacio's return and Canela Crawford
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: they're only good for the sport as as much as
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: we were kind of hamming in hauling about old man
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Manny coming back, and you know, the the nostalgia killing
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: our culture and expecting, you know, these old guys to
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: save us. The man look good. You know, we can't deny.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: He looked damn good. And you said not prime Manny. No,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: but he looked as good as you know, any other
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: any just mid tier fighter today. A young guy in
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: his twenties was mitterer today.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: He looked better than a lot of guys that currently
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: fighting that are way better shape and way better athletic prime.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: He looked prepared. And I can appreciate that because we
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: get a lot of guys that are in their prime
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that don't be coming to the ring prepared.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And that's the problem, speaking of being prepared, many being
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: prepared or not. Ryan Garcia supposedly turned down to fight
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: against Telfy Ma Lopez, which I think is down just
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: fight guys. But he said he wants to fight Manny.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Of course, is there is there any well, Okay, sure
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: of course he does. But if he does, there any
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: universe where Ryan Garcia has chance to get to Betty.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It's a universe, because you know, Ryan is actually unfortunately,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Ryan is actually a somewhat of a talented boxer. Mam Ryan,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: he's an idiot. So you know, when you combine those two,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: all bet all things are possible. However, without that being said,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it's not gonna I I don't see paciows Camp getting
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: involved with that. It just feels too unpredictable. It feels
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: way way too unpredictable in a lot of ways. I
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: don't think they want to deal with that surface. I
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: think we get Ryan Garcia and Roy. I think we
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: get that. I've heard rumors of that, and I think
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that'd be cool for both parties, but we don't. Honestly,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia, o'me deserve a good, big fight right now.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I'd be honest with you. I don't think he deserves it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I honestly don't think he deserves it at the moment.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think you know what, You've been so good
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: at predicting shit on the show that I want to
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: do the same thing too, even if I'm wrong. I
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: want to just put it out there and say say
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: with my chest, I think Ryan Garcia doesn't have the
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: ring IQ to beat Manny. He's a talented fighter. I
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: think Manny's smart enough to know that. And you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Ryan Garcia, Yes he doesn't deserve a big fight, but
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: he's still a name, and he's still a draw, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: he still got his following. So I would say that
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Manny would take the Ryan Garcia fight. I think he
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: would take it over the Tank Davis fight, because that's
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: another thing that brought Ryan down is Tank's ring. Iqu
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I think Many still got the smarts and he's got
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the moves, he's got the tools, he's got the talent,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna say official prediction, if not the very
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: next Manu fight, he would fight Ryan Garcia. And let's
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: see how ridiculously we're all got turned out to be.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: There's a couple other guys I would be interested seeing
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: many involved with, but for right now, it's cool. There's
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of options. There's a lot of options depending
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: on how they want to go with it, but it
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: feels like they're all gonna be money options from here
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: on out, because the only reason why man is still
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: fighting is because the money. There's no other reason why.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: When you're in in forties, you either owe somebody or
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: you're extremely bored. I don't think anyone's this bored. So yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I do think.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I do think Tank would be in much better fight.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. There's also the pre fight stuff. You would
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: get a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff when
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: it comes to that. So yeah, Well.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Moving on to another another fighter that had a lot
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: of stuff go on that we've been talking about, Keishaan Davis.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: He did an interview with Oh damn it, I'm sorry
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Ariel Hawani. I apologize for not having that ready, but yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: he did an interview with Ariol Hawani, his first major
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: interview after the fracas when he missed wait and you know,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: had an altercation after the fight. I'm sure the Kishan,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: you know, we we sat on the show that he
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: is ex communicado like in John Wick because of his behavior,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure he would have wanted to come on
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: our show to talk about it. But we did say
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: he was ex communicado, so I'm sure he respected that.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: So you know, I understand when you wanted to go
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: out on Ariel Hawani instead, even though we are the
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: most prominent voices in boxing media right now. But did
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: a long interview there, talked about his behavior you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: fested up to a lot of stuff about You know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: he his mind was in the right place. He wasn't ready.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: He was trying to force this fight, trying to force
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: making weight. Apologize to a lot of people, Apologize to norfolk.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: The first question to you is are we forgiving him?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Do allow Keishan back into the fold? Or are we
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: writing him off? As you know as has been we forgive,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: but we don't forget.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: This is also a powerful a message because you have
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: to as an adult, the moment something ain't going right,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you got to speak up. Like, for instance, we have
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: a show, we have a set time that we had recorded.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: If anything comes up with any of our lives, we
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: hit the chat immediately. Hey can y'all adjust? Or hey
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: we have a guest that can only do this time
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: this day. Can we adjust. That's what this is all about.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: If he would have came out and said a month
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: before the fire, say hey, you know what, it would
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: be unhealthy of me to try to get out to wait.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I will pay whatever, fine, but I'm letting you know
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: this the situation. You can back out now and we'll
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: still pay you, or we'll get somebody out there. Ask
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: me some sort of like, hey man, instead of putting
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: on this situation, it could have been handled way differently,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: but it just didn't go down that way. It was
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: lack of professionalism. It was very arrogant and it's one
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: of those lessons that, to be honest with you, he
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: may not recover from Why there's a chance that he's
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: gonna need to be spectacular in the ring to recover
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: from this situation.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Well, and I'll definitely got to give him some credit.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, yes, agreed, he was arrogant, he didn't speak up,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: but also you learn from sucking up, you learn from
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: your mistakes. And you know, the guy did say you
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: know that. It was a long interview, but just trying
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to pull some some thoughts from it. That he was
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: going NonStop after the Olympics, fight after fighter to fight
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: his name rising. There's a lot of pressure, there's a
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: lot of eyes on you. And we've talked about young
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: guys on social media not even on there just because
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: for fun they have to be to get their brand going,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: they have to fight often. They we've even said some
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: guys aren't fighting as often as they should be, so
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: we're kind of it's a double led sword. You know,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: when you're in that position trying to make a name
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: for yourself, that shit's hard, and I would never I
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: don't know anything about what that's like. You know, my
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: liberty is solely centered on the Arizona craft beer seed
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: that's gone the ship because the industry is in the toilet.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: But you know, that's that's a lot of pressure.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Being on TV and always having to be on your
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: piece of cubes and then with the training. My god,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: there's one thing to be I don't know, like Brad
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Pitt or George Cooney with cameras on you all the
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: time and you know, focusing on acting, which not saying
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: that it's easy, but it's not the same as being
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: a boxer. And he also did say, you know, he
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: his whole thing was don't let anybody see you sweat,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: don't let anybody see you worry. He even said, like,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I'm from the hood, man, we don't talk about this
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: We keep it, we keep it. So being from the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: hood thing I don't like, because I know a lot
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: of people from the hood who have decency and communication skills.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: The same about being from the hood, it's about being
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: able to communicate. Hey, man, I can't make weight. Let's
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: try to figure something out with the contract. Now, I'm
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: not able to make the weight. If you want to
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: still fight, that's cool. If you want to back out,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that's fine too. Will work out the financials. But don't
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: say you from the because now that's the simple communication,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and be honest with you. He's a younger guy, so
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I give him a lot of I give him some.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I saw him out a little bit. However, like anything else,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: your performance in the ring will always overshadow everything out
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: of it. But you better be damn good. We've given
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of fighters a lot of grace for a
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: lot of the bullshit they've done out of the ring,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: because a lot of fighters should not be given the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: grace we've given them. However, they've been really good in
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the ring, so we allow that. The moment you aren't
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: not good in the ring, all bets are off. So
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: he bet his next fight. Whenever the next fight is,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: he better put on an amazing performance.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm I did appreciate him saying near the end, guys,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: mental health is real, you know, talk to your friends,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: talk to your people. Don't just say are you good?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: He's at Stop asking that stop asking are you good?
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: That's not enough for real conversations, which I do appreciate,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: But there's a thing though, if you ask that, If
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: someone asks that, say no and get in a conversation.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Like we're adults, so we can't keep on ask people
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to read our minds. If someone asks you a question,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: answer it truthfully, and I'd be like, you know what
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not. If you've got some time, I'd be more
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: than happing to explain. Don't just shrug it off. If
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: someone asks you, they're asking for a reason. They're not
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: asking because it sounds good. They're asking for a reason.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: So if someone asks that question, answer it. I don't.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: The problem I have with these kinds of things, these
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: kind of interviews, is this, he wouldn't be doing this
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: if the backlash was so crazy. You messed up. You
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: got to own up to that and don't put it
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: on everybody else. So eventually, here's the thing. If you
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: want to see the change, well it should be the change,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: like if people are genuinely asking. For the most part,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: that if I was in his hometown, there's people who
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: look forward to that fight. There's people who generally have
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: his best interest at heart, I don't think there's many
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: people just trying to be around us to be around.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: With that being said, if there's an issue, speak out
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: about people who are trying to help you. They want
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: to see you succeed. That whole city, that whole night,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: they had club performances, they had concerts. There was a
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: bunch of events ready to go based off of him.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: So it's hard for me to believe that he uses
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: mental health as all people really advantage. No, no, no,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: you gotta seek that. Like as an adult, if you
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: got a problem, if somebody asks you a question and
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: they're asking to help you, you better accept her. That's
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: on you.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Sure, But not everybody who asks are you good or
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: how you doing? Really cares. I mean, with you go
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: to the grocery store and they ask how your day is?
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: They know they don't give it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: That's that's different. But the people who are around him,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: people in the circle who are asking that they I
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: believe from what I know about that that talent and
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: how things are done, I juny believe they actually care
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: and if they can't help, they would get somebody who can.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: That's the thing, and I think he needs to take
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: advantage of that, because again, it's very rare that a
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: fighter has a hometown like that, to where the whole
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the whole city shuts down when you fight. We don't
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: have that anymore. We used to when we were growing up,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: but we don't have the oh shit, this guy's fighting,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the whole city's out, the whole entire hoods out. We
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: don't have that as much anymore, and it's very rare
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: to get that. So it's hard to believe that whoever
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: asked him if he's good was just doing it just
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: as a courtesy. That's all.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: That's fair. Yeah, I mean the Philippines entirely would shut
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: down with many Pecio would fight basketball. I'm saying so yeah,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: And I don't know much about anything about Norfolk in Virginia. Honestly,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I have no soul experience to that place.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: In my day job, I know people who live in
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: that area because for the company we work for, it's
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: based out of Virginia, so I have a lot of
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: people who are from that area or around. So they
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: were going to the fight like they had bought Tickens.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: They had talked about it two weeks in advance, and
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: they were like, Hey, the whole hood like everybody's out,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: people were coming into the city. It was a movie.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a movie and turn into
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a horror film.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: So yeah, well, I definitely agree that he needs to
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: have an amazing performance, but I think he's got it
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: in him. I mean, he hasn't had really bad performances.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: The last fight before this one was against Dennis Berrycheck
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: when he won the title. Fantastic. I saw that when
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I was on vacation in Austin at a Mexican restaurant
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: that had a giant TV in the middle of that
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: was on ESPN two, And by the way, I asked
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: the manager there, can you switch at ESPN for boxing?
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: And he did, which again goes back to the ship
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: that we're gonna lose with top Recks not on regular TV.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: But that's a conversation we've already had. But no, So yeah,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I I don't know where we stand with
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: this guy. He said that he's not coming back right away.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: He said maybe he'd fight in a year or so.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: He's going to take time for himself, for his mental health,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: first family. He said he's not even training. He did
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: say he's gonna help Bud Crawford train for the fight,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: but to him, that was more helping Bud than you know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: for himself. But I don't know. I mean year from now,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I don't he's going to be around, you know, his
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: brother's still fight. He said to be at their fights.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: He's not going to disappear and just you know, uh,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: just be completely you know, on the scene anywhere. But
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: who's no Who's to say what's going to happen a
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: year later when he comes back and whether people come
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: out for him.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: That part that that's a big part. And also how
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: being away from the ring for more than a year
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is not an easy thing. That is not a guarantee,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: especially when you're that kind of boxer. You guys stay sharp,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: you guys stay efficient. Everything's timing, I don't, I don't know.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: But it is good that he's taken time away for
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: his health. I agree with that.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Sure, there's some things that I've heard that I don't
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: know what it's based on, like, you know, psychologically speaking, again,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: barely graduated with a bachelors or with the s bachelor's.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: But you know, there is this heard people talk about
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the start where when people become famous, they stop developing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Like both as a child actor, or even to somebody
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: in their twenties. You sort of like begin living in
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: a bubble and you don't really see anything outside of
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: it because you got your you got your team, you
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: get a promo. All you thinking about is your career,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: your celebrity, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So you know,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: my man, he's twenty six. He's not a little baby
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: compared to us or watched this. Hell, yes he's a baby,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: but he's an adult man. But you know he's been
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: he's been in the spotlight for a long time. You know,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: who's to say where he is? You know, he's an adult,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: we're adults. We talked about maturity and speaking up when
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: something's wrong. I don't know how much he actually knows
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: to do that or new to do that before the situation.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe this is what it took, you know, just people
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: throwing metaphorical you know, popcorn and cans and tomatoes tomatoes
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: at him from the stands for him to realize like, oh,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: this shit is serious. I don't know that he knew
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: how serious this situation was before he went in. Not
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: making excuses, I'm just saying I can there there's there's
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: avenues where I can see where his mindset was what
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I was on this, So what is our our take
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: on the show was that man is ex anikado. You
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: know he's no longer the conversation, how are we gonna
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: treat him going forward?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: That? But also here's the thing. A lot can change
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: in a year help boxing, A lot of things change
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: in a year. It's like this, you have you have
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: you done, have a second chance. What do you do
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: with that second chance? That's what's gonna be. There's not
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: enough quality boxers in the game right now to say, oh,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: you can't fight again. However, you got to earn a
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: lot of trust back. So when you earn a lot
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: of trust, that means you got to put on dominant
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: performances and you probably gotta fight once every four months.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: So you probably look at like three times a year
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and just get back into good graces because once you're
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: going for a year, people kind of forget about you.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Like that's just kind of how it goes. Like once
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: you stop fighting for whatever reason, whether you're heard or
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: legal issues or whatever, people kind of move on to
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: the next guy. Keep it rolling. Like for instance, Guy
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Richardson Hutchins are Hitchens Hutchess, Are Hitchins, Richson, Richard Hitchins,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: hitches Y. A guy like that is a guy that
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I can fight two more times on the next year
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: and take a lot of that buzz away, you know
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: what I mean. That's a guy that's very talented and
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that's very confident in his abilities. He's in New York.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: He would do good numbers in New York. Those guys
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: like that are waiting for the opportunity. So my thing
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: is this. I understand he probably needs some time off
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: for mental health and his own mind. I get that,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: but be careful what you wish for, because once you
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: sit out, something else is gonna take that spot. That's
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: just how it goes.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: They talked in that interview about Abdullah Mason is fighting
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: for the very same title that Kishan vacated. So you know,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: there's people ready and waiting. And another thing that's always
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: been this has been my issue with other sports. My
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: personal issue is that, you know, basketball football, as much
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: as I can enjoy watching it, there's too many damn teams.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: There's so many people on a team, there's so many names,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: team names to remember. Most of them are birds, like
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: they can't fit in my tiny little peop brain. With boxers,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I'm a lot more aware of who's out there. But
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: still there's a lot of guys fighting and and women fighting. Who,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: like I just said earlier, better be this fighting guy
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: with twenty two fights only one loss, I don't. I
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: don't know anything about him if I saw him fight,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: because I just just put on fights anytime. I don't remember.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: There's so many names out there, even if they're at
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: the top tier guys. I want to learn those names.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I want to see who's up and coming. And yeah,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: it's it's easy to just say you know Kisha and who.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: As much as that would suck, it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Is it would happen. I'm telling you. The moment, the moment,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: six months goes by and we don't hear nothing from you,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: we forget we honestly, Like, for instance, if Tank didn't
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: have legal situation, which you I'm glad they didn't decided
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: to not press to not press charge with which is good.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: If he didn't have that, he was still mulling over
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: everything else, we would just move on. Like we're already
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: in a sense moving on already. There's already mega fight happening.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: There's already talks of pack Yaw fighting again. Their Hell,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: there's talks of Andre Warden and Anthony Joshua fighting, so
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: just in general there, Yeah, and I've heard something with
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Triple G coming back. So there's just always stuff in
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the boxing news that if you don't fight over around
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: a six to seven month timeframe as a fan, we
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: just move on.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Triple G never officially retired as far
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: as I remember, unless I missed it. But you know what, Hey,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: let me give you a name and see if you, uh,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: have you ever heard of this guy, Andy Ruiz Junior
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Andy Ruiz. You know, one of the biggest upsets in
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: modern boxing history against against Joshua. You know, he was
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: the top of the town, my god, and you know
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: everybody has decided about what he's going to do next. Another loss,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: which again I never wrote him up. I don't write
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: people off just for one loss.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: So that can happen when you kind of have a
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: major upset and get high on your supply and you're unprepared.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: He has set himself. You didn't prepared, and then nothing
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: like I do bo life.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: From what I've heard, he got caught in the Hey,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I'm the champ. I got the money, I'm the channel,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I got the belt, look at me, et cetera, et cetera.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Never really took his conditioning seriously in my opinion, like
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: for a guy it's a world champ, or was a
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: world champ at one point, why he never took the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: conditioning the way he should have because it hands is nice,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: the hands are very concise, fast, strengthen a point compact.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: But it just felt that conditioning wise, you kind of
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: knew it was what it was because it just didn't
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: see a lot of improvement. I'm not asking to be,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: you know, two hundred and ten pounds, but it just
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: felt that he had a pot belly gut and there
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: boxing and you just can't last that long in that
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: sport with that kind of you know, belly on you. Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Well, I kind of feel like I'm like, I'm digging
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: back into a core memory in the back of my
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: brain remembering that a guy named Andrew Luiz existed, because
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: that feels like, so what what I don't remember off
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: the top of my head, But how long ago was
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: that fight? Was in the last like four or five
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: years twenty nineteen? Yeah, yep, and shit, I mean forget
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: about just boxing in general, just life. You know, when
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: the Rona happened, you know, our memories all just got discombobulated.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: So twenty nineteen, remember Andrew Reis's you know, his his upset.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: That is a lifetime ago that that was his day. Yeah,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: but that is at least, speaking for myself, that is
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: a lifetime ago.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: That at least I mean I have friends that had
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: kids during that time and now they're kids like seven,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: six or seven, So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: So just in this conversation is you know, Keishan Davis
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: went on the show apologize. However you feel about it
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: the general, y'all, you're mile lage of may vary. I
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: give him credit for getting out there talking about this,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: saying that he fucked up, and you know, apologizing to people.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: You can't ignore that. Whether you think it's like, well
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: he's doing it just for his name, blah blah blah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he eddy boxer can just kind
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: of retire and disappe here into the into the void
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: like we talked about, but he made the effort. He
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: came back, and so I will give him a lot
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: of credit for that. Whatever anybody else feels about it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: I think, how about this, It's important for fighters to
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: do this, for our fighters to fess up and say
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I fucked up, blah blah blah. And like you said,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: we excuse a lot of behavior that we shouldn't and
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: that's just how not just boxing, but you know, celebrity
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: world actors, we do that, uh, and we should kind
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: of just expect, at the very least answering for people
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: for their own behavior. So thumbs up on that and
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: we'll just see what happens in the next year. Shout
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: out to you, and shout out to Arieljwane for being,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: you know, one of the one of the third or
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: so best prominent voices in boxing media after us. So
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: moving on to or, we go on to our next segment,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Pop Pugilism, the recurring segment in which we discuss a movie,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: TV show, or documentary about boxing. Today we were talking
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: about Undisputed to Last Man Standing, a direct to video
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: film from two thousand and six. We discussed the first
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Undisputed movie in a previous episode. That movie starred Ving
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Raimes as George the Iceman Chambers. For this sequel, Iceman
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Chambers returns, but this time he's played by Michael Jay White,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: a badass martial artist I personally love. Y'all might know
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: him from playing Spawn in the terrible nineteen ninety seven
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: film from Black Dynamite, which is awesome, a small role
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: in the Dark Knight as Gamble. His rival in this
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: movie is a character named Yuri Boyca, played by another
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: great martial artist named Scott Atkins, probably the current king
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: of kick ass. Direct to video action flicks have a
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: lot to say about this, as usual, but James didn't
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: want to get some thoughts from you on this movie.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: It was interesting. A lot of fights, like he was
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: text earlier, a lot of fighting. It felt like the
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: movie basically a fight movie, Like How Fast It Fears
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: was just basically a bunch of loud music and car racing.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: This is just much fighting. Why it wasn't no movie
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: in it just felt like fighting. Somebody's perform just fights
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: and that was it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: What this feels like is a movie that script that
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: came in too short, Like the script was like an
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: hour they needed to get it to, you know, hour twenty, hour,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: thirty whatever, and they're like any place who can put
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: in just a brawl, not even in the ring, Just
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: like Michael Jay White is just kicking like prison guards
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: asses other prisoners, any reason they can come up with,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: just just to put it in there. So I it
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: was It was definitely fun. I definitely wanted to watch
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: something less depressing than Fat City what we did for
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: our last episode. That was a little heavy and a
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: great movie, but very heavy. I'm gonna be honest. So
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: this movie came out in two done six when we
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: were twenty. I used to be a big film snob.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I still am, but I've softened. In my old age.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I used to look down on direct to video movies.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I thought they were like cheap crap. They were good
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: enough to be theatrically released. A movie like this couldn't
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: get its original act you back, so I would never
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: have seen it. Back then, I would have just thought,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to waste my time on this. But
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: now I realized I was wrong. A lot of direct
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: to video action films fucking rule, and they're just an
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: excuse to have, you know, action seems like they don't
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: make anymore you know, stunts, non stop fights, and I
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: can really really appreciate it here. And you're right, there's
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: not a lot of movie there's not a lot of story.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: The character of Vice Man Chambers. You know, he went
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: to jail in the first movie for being accused of
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: sexual assaults rape. I don't remember what they said there.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: And this time he's broken Russia, and the Russians kind
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: of fake a drug bust to get him in there
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: so that he could fight Poika, which is ridiculous. It's
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: it's but this movie is like the right kind of
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: stupid for me to enjoy. So yeah, I definitely, you
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: know if I kind I kind of feel bad that
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I missed on a lot of cool stuff like this
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: because I was, like, you know, I believe in the
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: theatrical releases for film. Yeah, So a question for you, Well, firstly, say,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Scott Adkins uses MMA to fight Michael J. Michael J.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: White used traditional boxing, and he has to learn to
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: adapt after the first fight that goes wrong. So, now,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: is this movie secretly about the waning popularity of boxing
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: versus UFC. Do you think do you think this is
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: what what's the heart of this?
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: You can make an argument. I don't think it's necessarily that,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: but you can doesnite make an argument for it. That's
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: right around the time where we start hearing those whispers.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: You know, six o seven was you had a lot
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: of big UFC stars and they were trying to take
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: over boxing. Boxing is going through some weird stuff, So yeah,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: you can make an argument by just think more and
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: more is to be honest with you, people like fighting.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: They like combat, so whenever they combat, people will watching
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: tune in. That's always how it goes. There's no way
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: around that. When you have people fighting, people tune in. Now.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: People have fallen in love with UFC like they love
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: UFC people for whatever reason. Again, teach his own not
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: my thing personally, but teach his own. People enjoy it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: With that being said, boxing back in the day, when
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: guys maybe weren't so technical, but maybe brought it out
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit more than they should have. People fell
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: in love with the sport then, so when they have
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: what we have now, they don't know how to quite
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: react to it. UFC has a lot more action in
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: it and there's more chaos in it. So that's why
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: the average person who's not a fan fan of either
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: gravitates towards that rather than boxing. But it's just how
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: it goes.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the weird guy who really likes the technical
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: aspects and even when a fight starts slow, I really
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: love watching the fighters kind of download information, kind of
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: like try to do jab up top jaba bottom adapt.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I think that that's cool as hell. But yeah, you know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm the weird one.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: People people want to see, you know, action pack fights,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: and I do. I do understand. I do understand the
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: appeal of UFC. For some reason, like you, I just
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: never got into it. I don't know, it just doesn't
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: for me. Yeah. So UFC has been around since like
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: the early nineties, but I don't remember hearing about it
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: in the nineties.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Awl the two thousands, but I don't remember hearing about
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the nineties either.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what I kind of want to ask,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: is like, what do you remember? I think I want
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: to say that I remember really hearing about it and
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: realizing that it's a thing. Let's say about let's say
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: like fifteen years ago, which even might have been late.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe I was off the not in the loop.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: But what do you.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Remember hearing the UFC was not just the thing that existed,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: but the thing that people were really gravitating towards.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I remember hearing about it in the right when I've
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: seen your high school. I remember hearing about it, like
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Tito Ortez and guy you heard the name that I
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: didn't know. It's like Chuck the Dale. I remember hearing
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: the names, but I didn't know much about it because
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: it wasn't my thing. I was always in the boxing,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: so I didn't know all. With that being said, it's
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: one of those things to where it gravitated very quickly
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: and the type of person it attracted was very interesting.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: So it attracted the person that may not play any
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: of the sport, but they like this one so much.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Here they go. So that's what it signified to me personally.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well in this movie, I really the message
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: is you're not good enough just with regular fist boxing.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: You have to adapt, you know. Michael J. White has
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: to learn how to do that. And that's a little
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: that's a little heartbreaking for me, you know, because it
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: just kind of it's like I'm not gonna say it's
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: spitting into my face, but it just kind of it's
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: noting its nose. I'll say that at my love of boxing,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: and also, you know, personal grudge of the fact that
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not flexible and they can't kick for shit, they
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: take a boxing lessons. You know, I've thrown hands, but
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: never actually try to throw a kick. So it's so.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: You would need to do pilates first. You would need
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: to increase your flexibility and do that first before you
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: got the kickboxing or anything like that because we're so
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: old and our joints don't work that way. You got
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: to activate all that stuff first for you go into kickboxing.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: If you went to be kickboxing or jiu jitsu or
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: anything like that, you would harm yourself because that those
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: muscles ain't been getting used.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of muscles that haven't gotten.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Used in the last couple of years.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: But let's not talk about that. But yeah, I mean,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I think what I really liked about this movie is that,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: like I said, both Michael J. White and Scott Atkins
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: are trained martial artists, and it always looks cooler when
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: you have guys that really have training and know how
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: to fight, as opposed to I don't know, let's teach uh,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: let's teach Brad Pitt and Matt Damon how to box
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: and you show him hitting the heavy bag and the
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: little shit right, no, no shade. You know they're doing
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: what they got to do, and I'm sure they work hard,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: but it's never the same, never the same as just
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: watching a guy that you know knows how to work
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: the pads. Uh, and even the choreography here, you know,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: it's it's awesome and it's brutal. This movie was bloody,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of dude blood.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: A lot of blood, a lot of gory scenes. I mean,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: they have my guy out there cleaning the the the
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: you know the guy. Yeah, let's put it that way. Yeah.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: So but at the end of the day, though, I mean,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: the movie was what it was. Can't take it too seriously.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Weird storyline where it basically got plented drugs or whatever
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: on and then they buzzed them and it's just it's whatever.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: But the fighting was what it was. It was a
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: lot of fighting. But yeah, it's not I don't remember
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: it in the theater, I'll put it that way.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Well, it didn't come out, didn't come out in theaters.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: The first one came out in theaters.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this one straight, Yeah, this happened because they're watching
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: it like, yeah, this was like so, you know, you
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: can watch a movie like one point five or two speed.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: This was a two speed movie.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah you can. You can watch it
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: and like during the talky talk parts if you're doing
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: something else or texting, and you know, there's not a
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: complicated plot to follow, folks.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: This movie for me was done like a thirty seven
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: minute I basically it was two speed fall fall fall along.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's what happened. Okay, this was go I'm doing.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: This is what happened against Jackets everybody, you know, Okay,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: he helped him out when he was awesome. Oh so
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: it was good. It was had some parts in it, yeah,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: some part but it was kind of like you said,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: it was a straight to blockbuster. You know, we old
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: so back then this wasn't a blockbuster, but yeah, it's
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: straight to blockbuster movie.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: And you know, like I said, I'm realizing now that, uh,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: you know, because I watched a lot of great films
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: over the years, and when I was younger, in my
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: teenage years, discovering things, you know, Seven to the Lembs
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: and you know, Citizen Kme blah blah blah. But now
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: that I'm older, I'm like, you know, John Claude, man,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: damn movies were actually fucking awesome, Like all that ridiculous,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: you know, NonStop action. And another thing I always go
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: back to with films is that this is from an
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: era that we've lost. A lot of this stuff is CGI.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of green screen, there's not
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of real sets, even a lot of a
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: lot of stunts when you know, dudes used to actually
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: get thrown out of windows. Now it's like a CGI
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: body falling, you know, from building. And I understand kind
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: of the same thing. I understand that you want to
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: make this thing safer, but I feel like action movies
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: like boxing, like skydiving shouldn't be that safe. I think
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: there should be an element of danger where dudes are,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: you know, jumping off of buses and off of helicopters
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. And that's just what it's always
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: got to be. And this movie, really it holds up
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: better than I imagine it would op when I was in
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: my twenties. And it's just fun, you know, watching these
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: guys trained martial artists kick ass and have these amazing
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: you know Corey Gap fight moves. It's a lot of fun.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: And it's it's from it's from a bygun era. I
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: hate that I'm the grampy. Now that's like back in
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: my day trudo movies like they used to.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: But they really don't.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, they just really really don't. So what what
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: do you?
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: What do you write?
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: This? Out of four gloves?
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Jamison two point seven five. I could be convinced him
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: of three, but two point seven five I had his
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: min I said, the movie had its moments. It wasn't great,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: but it had its moments. The fight things were cool,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: they were what they were. The acting was what it was.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: There was some capassion, there was some some villain moments.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: So I would say at two point seven.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Five, I I'm the other way. I could be convinced
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: three point two five, but I'll go three out of
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: four for mine. I do like I like both of
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: these guys. You know, Michael J. White just doesn't have
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: the uh the acting range of the big raims, but
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: he's good, you know, he's he's got some good moments.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: He can be very funny. If y'all want to see
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: some more awesome direct to video movies with him in
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Scott Atkins Triple Threat is amazing, got both of these
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: guys in it. It's got Tony Jah's got Eco aways
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: from the Raid. Uh Scott Atkins movie Ninja two, Shadow
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: of the Tier. I've actually read online that the first
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Ninja Ninja one is not that great, so skip to
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: the second one. Amazing, great fight scenes, NonStop action. You
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: will not be lost after if you skip the first one.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: So check these guys out. Definitely support our action superstars
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: that are kind of just relegated to DVD only, or
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: I guess that would be direct to streaming, is what
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: it is. We're so old we're still thinking about direct
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: a blockbuster, but that's it went direct to Blu ray
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: and then directed streaming since we were kids, right right, Well,
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: that's gonna do it. For today's show, Jamison, where can
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: people find you on social media?
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: At the Jamison on Twitter? Find me on there. You know,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: love talking boxing and boxing. I get they shit together, man.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Everyone else is they can't be last in a party
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: because sometimes there won't be a party to go to.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: So hopefully the powers that be all come together for
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: the greater good and get this streaming situation figured out.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Whereab I can go to one place for all the.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Fights one hundred percent percent. Yeah, we're uh, we're in
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: the need for great fights. After the Canela Crawford because
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: we don't we don't want there to be dead air
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: after that.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: You can keep pushing it. We need you, Chris Stevens
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: to fight, and we need all the all the guys
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: that have a name, they're undefeated, they're young, all those
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: guys got to keep fighting, man, You got to keep
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: that fire burn. You gotta keep being active. Guys shouldn't
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: be off less they're hurt. Guys shouldn't be off more
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: than four months. Man, I'm sorry. Guys got ninety days
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: get back on track, and you should be fighting that
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: in that next thirty day window. And that's what's my opinion.
• 59:47
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