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Major break in case of double life soccer mom murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A gorgeous young mother of one ends up dead in
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Speaker 1: the street and their suburban home front yard, half in
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Speaker 1: the yard, half of the street, wearing a sports bra.
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Speaker 1: How did that happen on a quiet suburban called a sack?
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Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, This is crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation in Sirius
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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. As always, there's more to the story,
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Speaker 1: but let's start at the beginning. Take a listen. The
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Speaker 1: gruesome discovery of Cad West's body was made by a
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Speaker 1: neighbor's daughter at five am on Saturday morning. The young
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Speaker 1: woman was on her way to work when she saw
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Speaker 1: a body in the roadway. She went back to get
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Speaker 1: her father. West was faced down both in the street
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Speaker 1: and in the grass of a neighbor's yard. It was
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Speaker 1: the neighbor directly across the street from West's home. The
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Speaker 1: man says he touched West's back to see if she
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Speaker 1: was breathing. She wasn't. Nine one one was called. Police
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Speaker 1: reports state that West was partially pressed, wearing only a sportsbra,
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Speaker 1: and that she was bleeding from the head. A cell
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Speaker 1: phone was found nearby and a green liquor bottle on
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Speaker 1: top of it. Well, so many clues flying through my head.
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Speaker 1: Right there was she jogging? If so? Was she jogging
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night? Or did nobody notice
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Speaker 1: that mom was gone? Obviously she was sex attacked? Or
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Speaker 1: was she? Why was she only wearing a sports bra?
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Speaker 1: Why was she half in the yard and half in
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Speaker 1: the street? Is there surveillance video? What do we know
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Speaker 1: about this woman? Again? I'mancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Let me introduce you
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Speaker 1: an all star panel of guests to break it down
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Speaker 1: and put it back together again. First of all, James
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Speaker 1: Shellnutt twenty seven years Metro Major kse Swat now lawyer
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Speaker 1: at Shelnut Lawfirm dot com. Doctor Daniel Bober, chief of
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Speaker 1: psychiatry Memorial Regional Healthcare, Sister Professor Yale. You can find
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Speaker 1: him on insta a doctor Daniel Bober. Bobby Chicone, former
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Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI, now screenwriter for Criminal Minds.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Katherine Maloney, you know her name well, Deputy Chief
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Erie County. That's Buffalo. But first to Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot com investigative reporter Dave mac let me understand,
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Speaker 1: a neighbor found the body, found the woman laying there,
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Speaker 1: half in a yard, half on the street, exactly Nancy.
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Speaker 1: A neighbor, a young girl is driving on her way
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Speaker 1: to her a weekend job just after five o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning, and her headlights catch what appears to be
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Speaker 1: a woman laying partially in the road, partially above the curve,
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Speaker 1: in their quiet Neighborho, okay, stop right there, Dave mac
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Speaker 1: because I want to analyze that. When you don't know
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Speaker 1: who your victim is, you don't know what happened, You've
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Speaker 1: got to analyze first what you can tell from the
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Speaker 1: saint and who calls nine one one, like right off
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Speaker 1: the bat, Bobby Chicone. You look at who finds the body? Okay,
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Speaker 1: so you have to question why is this person out
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Speaker 1: at five am in the morning. But I have a
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Speaker 1: hard time thinking a teen girl neighbor is going to
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Speaker 1: crack this woman over the top of the head. Plus
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Speaker 1: because she's very scantily clothed, naked except for sports bra.
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Speaker 1: Teen girl doesn't fit the scenario here absolutely. And the
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Speaker 1: first thing that teen girl does, I believe, is go
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Speaker 1: back and get her mother and father to help her
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Speaker 1: with this obviously overwhelming situation for her. By all accounts,
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Speaker 1: she was very, very upset, and even afterwards, for months afterwards,
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Speaker 1: this person who found this body was upset. It's in
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Speaker 1: front of the victim's house. You have to assume she's
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Speaker 1: naked except for the sports bar. You have to assume
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Speaker 1: she had just come out of the house for some reason.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't going on errand she wasn't. She wasn't going
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Speaker 1: on in the early morning and all that though. We
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Speaker 1: don't know, Bobby, if she had come out the night
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Speaker 1: before and was going to the car. We don't know
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Speaker 1: if she was. In fact, it's five am. Maybe she
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Speaker 1: was out. You know what, Bobby, I get up at
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Speaker 1: least at five am. Believe it or not. There are
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Speaker 1: a lot of people, mostly women, out jogging at that
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Speaker 1: time of the day. But I hear what you're doing, Bobby,
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Speaker 1: to come with me. Former special agent FBI and now
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Speaker 1: screenwriter for Criminal Minds. You're like a computer. You're processing
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Speaker 1: all these possibilities about why is this woman there. I
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Speaker 1: think we I and your computer brain can agree on
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Speaker 1: one thing is that this team girl had nothing to
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Speaker 1: do with it. James shell Nutt twenty seven years met
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Speaker 1: her a major case. Right at the get go. You look,
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Speaker 1: you look at who finds the body, all right, because
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Speaker 1: very often that person is involved. But this girl, man,
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Speaker 1: I'm just not seeing it. I would reject that possibility.
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Speaker 1: Ad to get go a teen girl who runs home
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Speaker 1: to mommy and daddy. Plus the victim's naked except for
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Speaker 1: a sports bra. Yeah, you know at that point, you
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Speaker 1: know you wanted two things. You want to go back
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Speaker 1: and say, Okay, well if this was, if this person
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Speaker 1: wasn't involved, who really was the last person to see
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Speaker 1: her alive? Well? Did you hear what Bobby Chicoone was saying,
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Speaker 1: James shell night He started off with saying she must
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Speaker 1: have just come out of the house. Well I did,
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Speaker 1: of course, she was in her house at some point,
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Speaker 1: But I disagree with that right there. I don't know
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Speaker 1: she came out in the night before. My daughter loves
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Speaker 1: to go walk after dinner it gets dark, right, So
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Speaker 1: how do I know she didn't go jogging the night
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Speaker 1: before after her daughter's already put to bed and nobody
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Speaker 1: noticed that she's been lying in the road. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it could be any number of variants to you, James
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Speaker 1: shell Nutt could be Um, you know, you'd want to
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Speaker 1: look at whether or not they're dressed for jogging. Um,
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Speaker 1: or you know this person normally jog. Was this some
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Speaker 1: type of pattern? I don't think. Okay, yeah yeah, but
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Speaker 1: I do exactly she had on a sports craw that
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Speaker 1: would tell me maybe she wasn't why while we don't
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Speaker 1: know how long she had been out there, and we
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Speaker 1: don't know what time she got there, um, And that
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Speaker 1: can possibly be determined, you know, by taking the internal
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Speaker 1: temperature of cat west when she's located. Um. But with
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Speaker 1: without those things and not knowing the exact time she
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Speaker 1: came out, I agree with Bob. It doesn't appear that
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Speaker 1: she was jogging, and it fears a lot more like
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Speaker 1: she was actually placed there or that she was injured
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Speaker 1: and collapsed there. Um, guys, we're trying to analyze the
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Speaker 1: scene for this, and I mean, gorgeous young she looks
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Speaker 1: like a soccer mom. Doesn't she look like a soccer mom?
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Speaker 1: Do you with a little girl? One daughter is found
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Speaker 1: dead and their upskills a bourbon cul de sac, half
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Speaker 1: on the road, half in a yard, naked except for
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Speaker 1: a sports bra I you just heard from Jackie Howard
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Speaker 1: at Crime Online. Take a listen to Steve Fabian inside
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Speaker 1: Edition Kathleen's body was found around five am outside her
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Speaker 1: home here in the small town of Klera, Alabama. Her
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Speaker 1: body was discovered by a neighbor's twelve year old daughter.
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Speaker 1: Kathleen was face down, wearing only a sports bra and
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Speaker 1: bleeding from the head. Police also found a cell phone
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Speaker 1: next to Kathleen, as well as a bottle of alcohol
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Speaker 1: known as lucid, a type of absence. Okay, right there
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Speaker 1: at the beginning, I just learned something new. The girl
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Speaker 1: he finds her is twelve. I thought she was older
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Speaker 1: than that because I understood from Dave mackett the gate
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Speaker 1: because she was driving. Is she twelve or no? Dave
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Speaker 1: mc how old is she? No, man, she was not
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Speaker 1: twelve years old. She was actually up and driving to Okay,
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Speaker 1: so they've got it wrong, all right, She's back in.
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Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to determine is a little bit
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Speaker 1: more face down. It's what I just learned, Dave mac
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Speaker 1: face down, which is critical, that's important. She's bleeding from
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Speaker 1: the head and a cell phone is found next to
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Speaker 1: her and a bottle of Absinthe tell me where is
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Speaker 1: the cell phone and where is the absinthe? Dave max
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Speaker 1: the cell phone is just to the well, putting all
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Speaker 1: your standing just near her body. But the bottle of
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Speaker 1: absence is actually placed on top of the cell phone.
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Speaker 1: And I say placed because it was balanced on that
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Speaker 1: cell phone. That is significant jump in Bobby each cone,
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Speaker 1: because that bottle of absinthe didn't put itself on top
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Speaker 1: of the dead Vix's cell phone. It didn't happen that way.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, Nancy, Absolutely right. The significant in the fact
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Speaker 1: that you know, if she was alone and she hit
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Speaker 1: her head by accident, she fell and stumbled and dropped
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Speaker 1: her phone, that bottle would not be carefully placed on
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Speaker 1: top of her phone. So that immediately to me, puts
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Speaker 1: another person at that scene. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the body of a suburban soccer
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Speaker 1: mom one daughter found naked in her suburban cul de sac.
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Speaker 1: How did this happen? Interesting to you again, Bobby Chicone,
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Speaker 1: It was a bottle of absinthe. I first became aware
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Speaker 1: of absinthe. I don't know if you remember this case
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Speaker 1: or not, but I believe his name is George Jones,
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Speaker 1: the missing groom. I'll have to remember his last name,
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Speaker 1: but he had just gotten married beautiful bride, happy outlook
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Speaker 1: both she's a teacher, he's got a job. They're going
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Speaker 1: on a dream cruise to grease many different places for
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Speaker 1: their honeymoon, and he meets up with people on the
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Speaker 1: cruise ship and they're all drinking absinthe. I had to
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Speaker 1: look it up, Bobby. I had never I mean, I
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Speaker 1: guess I'd heard of it, but I didn't really know
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Speaker 1: what it was. Did you know that in many jurisdictions
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Speaker 1: they don't even allow you to have absinthe. It is
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Speaker 1: that potent, that's right, Nancy. Yeah, and it supposedly causes
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Speaker 1: like hallucinations or whatever. And in fact that in the
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Speaker 1: United States it was illegal for a period of time.
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Speaker 1: That's how powerful it is. I've never tried it or
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Speaker 1: anything like that, but I do know that when it
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Speaker 1: first hit the market, it was it was very controversial.
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Speaker 1: I just thought of saying, George Smith, the Missing Groom.
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Speaker 1: It's all coming back to me right now. Absent Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, did you know, Bobby, I recall learning that
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Speaker 1: it is so powerful that it is normally diluted with
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Speaker 1: water before it's consumed. Yeah, this is a very special
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Speaker 1: type of alcohol. I mean, it has very powerful effects
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Speaker 1: on people. I mean, if it's made illegal in certain places,
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Speaker 1: you know that people have a concern about consuming this.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, doctor Catherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner,
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Speaker 1: Erie County. That's Buffalo, New York. Doctor Maloney, is so
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Speaker 1: great to have you with us. Let's just pretend the
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Speaker 1: body had been out overnight, because we don't have a
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Speaker 1: time of death yet. What would that do to determining
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Speaker 1: cause of death? And how do you determine how long
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Speaker 1: she's been dead if she's outside overnight. Well, with her
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Speaker 1: being outside overnight, you could look at certain postmortem changes,
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Speaker 1: so you could see how much her body had cooled
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Speaker 1: down from unassumed base temperature of ninety eight point six degrees,
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Speaker 1: so that could give you a general range of how
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Speaker 1: long she might have been there. You could look at
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Speaker 1: settling of the blood, which we call the video after death,
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Speaker 1: which starts to settle as soon as someone dies and
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Speaker 1: then at some point will become fixed, which means it
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Speaker 1: won't move when you move the body. And then we
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Speaker 1: could also look at rigidity or rigor mortis and see
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Speaker 1: how stiff her muscles were, and that could give us
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Speaker 1: kind of a general idea of how long has she
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Speaker 1: been lying there? I want to talk to you about
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Speaker 1: a rigor mortis and live or mortis. So the body
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Speaker 1: begins to stiffen up. Why does it do that? Basically
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Speaker 1: it has to do with the muscles and how they work.
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Speaker 1: So in order for our muscles to relax, it requires energy.
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Speaker 1: And so if we're dead, our body stops making energy.
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Speaker 1: So without the energy, our muscles can't relax. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I know you had to dummy that down a lot
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Speaker 1: from me, but it worked. I get it now. The
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Speaker 1: settling of the blood. For instance, if cat West is
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Speaker 1: lying on her face, all the blood settles to the
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Speaker 1: front of her body. It would be her face, her chest,
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Speaker 1: the front of her stomach, the front of her legs.
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Speaker 1: The blood sifts down if you're on your side, all
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Speaker 1: cysts to one side. And what does that tell you?
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Speaker 1: How long does that process take? Doctor at Maloney, Well,
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Speaker 1: the blood will start to settle in those areas pretty
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Speaker 1: soon after you die, and then it will start to fix,
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Speaker 1: which means that it won't move anymore. If you get
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Speaker 1: basically to get rolled over or something like that, and
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Speaker 1: that takes anywhere from some six to twelve hours. It
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Speaker 1: kind of depends on the body in the temperature and
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Speaker 1: things like that, but it gives you a sense of
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Speaker 1: the position the body was in and it lets you
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Speaker 1: know if the body was moved and then also how
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Speaker 1: long the body's been lying there. Now I heard either
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Speaker 1: she'll nut orch con mention take her internal temperature. How
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Speaker 1: do you do that on a body? So there are
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Speaker 1: a couple different ways to do that, depending on the
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Speaker 1: office you work in. In some places they'll actually make
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Speaker 1: a small cut on the abdomen and put a temperature
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Speaker 1: probe right in the liver. In some offices they use
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Speaker 1: the same temperature devices that we are all accustomed to
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Speaker 1: with COVID, where they kind of point a laser at
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Speaker 1: your head and get a temperature reading. And in some offices,
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Speaker 1: again they'll use that temperature probe, but they'll put it
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Speaker 1: in the person's rectum. So it really depends on the
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Speaker 1: office and how they do things. To imagine what this
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Speaker 1: teen girl goes through finding a dead body, But that
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Speaker 1: was just the beginning of what that neighborhood was set
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Speaker 1: to learn. Take a listen to the police chief Sean
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Speaker 1: Leimley on January thirteenth and around zero five ten am
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Speaker 1: n Clear Police department was dispatched to the one hundred
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Speaker 1: block of Greenwood Circle on a partially nude female lying
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Speaker 1: in the road. The victim, Kathleen West, suffered from blunt
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Speaker 1: force trauma to the head and was pronounced deceased at
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Speaker 1: the scene. The neighborhood is in a panic. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Patrick Thomas ABC. The news of Kathleen West's
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Speaker 1: death is making people look over their shoulders in life
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Speaker 1: and in death, She continues, the game Global Attention online.
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Speaker 1: Greenwood Circle feels like any typical street in Shelby County.
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Speaker 1: It's a quiet neighborhood. Peoma stated. He is then clear.
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Speaker 1: Police found the body of forty two year old wife
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Speaker 1: and mother, Kathleen West, in the road, just two doors
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Speaker 1: down from Xavier Lead. But something like this to happen
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Speaker 1: so close to home, with my wife and children so new.
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Speaker 1: Many neighbors have questions, o'kaya do we have a kid on? Well? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess so, and do you Dave Matt Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. The neighborhood is beautiful. Did you
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Speaker 1: see their house? I did. It is a beautiful place.
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Speaker 1: They bolted themselves a couple of years before this took place,
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Speaker 1: and it's just a quiet family neighborhood. You know. Um,
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Speaker 1: I know she has the one daughter. How old is
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Speaker 1: the daughter? She was twelve at the time this took place.
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Speaker 1: Nancy's fourteen now. So this little girl realizes as time
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Speaker 1: passes that mommy was killed just outside the front door,
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Speaker 1: just outside, while this little girl most likely slept inside
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Speaker 1: in her own bed. When you have a case like this,
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Speaker 1: of course you look at forensics first, but then you've
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Speaker 1: got to figure out who is the victim. Who is
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Speaker 1: Cat West? Take a listen. Jeff and Cat West were
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Speaker 1: married for fourteen years. The couple and their daughter lived
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Speaker 1: in a two story brick house they built, and neighbors
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Speaker 1: say they kept to themselves. Jeff West was an unsworn
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Speaker 1: Birmingham Southern College campus police officer. Cat West rant an
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Speaker 1: online business. Okay, so he is a campus security officer
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Speaker 1: like a cop. She has an online business. I know
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Speaker 1: that she is also a full time wife and mom.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Inside Edition. The
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Speaker 1: forty two year old who idolized screen goddess Marilyn Monroe
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Speaker 1: loved to post wholesome photos with her family, but Kathleen
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Speaker 1: was also leading a double life, posting wild and sexy
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Speaker 1: selfies in low cut outfits. She also had a subscription
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Speaker 1: only adult website where she went by the user name
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Speaker 1: Kitty Kat west Tat was her family nickname. Happy Sinful
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Speaker 1: she wrote on Instagram just six days before her death.
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Speaker 1: Kad was also a member of the Cougar Club, an
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Speaker 1: online social media site where women over thirty five years
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Speaker 1: old post provocative photos. Sandy Kay also belonged to the
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Speaker 1: Cougar Club. I wish for everyone to stop trying to
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Speaker 1: connect online photos to her passing. It's not like that, okay.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily mean indiscretions, it doesn't. It's they're just pictures, Okay.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that. Crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, the untimely murder of a physically beautiful
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Speaker 1: young mom, A mom who had a quiet home, a daughter,
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Speaker 1: a husband not off duty, but a security police officer
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Speaker 1: at a campus. So what went wrong? How does mommy
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Speaker 1: end up practically naked with a staged scene right in
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Speaker 1: front of the home there on the cul de sac.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about that alleged staging to doctor
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober joining me, forensic psychiatrist, Chief of Psychiatry, Memorial
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Speaker 1: Regional Healthcare Systems. Doctor Bober, when we say a scene
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Speaker 1: has and staged, you're the forensic psychiatrist, what does that mean?
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Speaker 1: It means very Oftenancy, that the scene is set up
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Speaker 1: in a way to kind of throw people off the
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Speaker 1: motive or who the attacker was. So, you know, this
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Speaker 1: is something you can see very often in sex crimes
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Speaker 1: or even in robberies as well. You know, I think
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Speaker 1: it means in my mind, it's deeper than that a
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Speaker 1: random killer. I believe Bobby Chicone doesn't take time to
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Speaker 1: stage the scene unless you're trying to stage it only
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Speaker 1: to the extent they're dumping the body somewhere to stage
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Speaker 1: a scene. And I'm referring specifically to her cell phone
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Speaker 1: with a bottle of abst this very powerful liquor on
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Speaker 1: top of it. What does that mean to you, Chicone? Well,
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Speaker 1: it certainly means that someone was there other than just her, right,
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Speaker 1: so you can rule out the fact that she bumped
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Speaker 1: her head and went stumbling off into the night and
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Speaker 1: then fell. You can ruve that out pretty well right away.
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Speaker 1: So you have to look at why someone would have
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Speaker 1: done that, Why what what's what's the symbol is? Is
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Speaker 1: there any symbolism to the staging? You know, so do
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Speaker 1: you have someone who wanted to, you know, to titillate
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Speaker 1: or to do something to either the police or to
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Speaker 1: people who are finding the body. So that that's the
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Speaker 1: one thing. But the the thrust of the staging is
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Speaker 1: usually to throw people off. Who actually did it in
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Speaker 1: this case doesn't seem to be that. In this case
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Speaker 1: it seems I don't know, it's almost seems like a
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Speaker 1: random staging. But what what did as a random staging?
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Speaker 1: In other words, I think you're saying it was stage
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Speaker 1: or set up that way for no particular reason. But
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Speaker 1: it was set up. It might have yeah, it might
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Speaker 1: have had It might have had meaning to the person
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Speaker 1: who did it, But there's no obvious meaning to somebody
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Speaker 1: passing by or to the police unless they do further
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Speaker 1: investigation and realize what the staging means. But there's no
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Speaker 1: obvious meaning to that staging. Normally, staging that's meant to
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Speaker 1: throw people off off. For example, if you strangle somebody
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Speaker 1: and then put a chair on the ground to make
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Speaker 1: it look like they tried to hang themselves or they
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Speaker 1: actually on themselves. Not the staging to throw you off
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Speaker 1: the track, But a bottle on a cell phone isn't
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Speaker 1: It doesn't give any obvious clues as to what might
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Speaker 1: have happened if they throw you off the track. All
21:18
Speaker 1: it does for me is it actually tells me that
21:21
Speaker 1: there was another person at the scene. Do you remember
21:23
Speaker 1: btk by torture killed Dennis Rider. Remember how you would
21:26
Speaker 1: stage or the scene. You would very often like redress
21:31
Speaker 1: the body, put weird makeup on the body. Ted Bundy
21:36
Speaker 1: would wash the hair of the dead victim and applying
21:39
Speaker 1: makeup bathe them. That is a lot of staging. So
21:45
Speaker 1: the staging process can be very very elaborate or not.
21:50
Speaker 1: But I do believe it means something. And now we
21:53
Speaker 1: hear and a member of the Cougar Club online say
21:57
Speaker 1: they're just pictures. It means well, I think it means
22:01
Speaker 1: a lot because I remember getting emails or letters from
22:08
Speaker 1: people that were watching me present crime stories and they
22:15
Speaker 1: thought there were hidden clues and what I was saying,
22:18
Speaker 1: or it's not just TV, it's not just reporting. You
22:27
Speaker 1: never know how somebody out there may interpret what they
22:32
Speaker 1: see or here. Take a listen to Mary o'con on WVTM.
22:37
Speaker 1: She described herself on Facebook as a full time wife
22:40
Speaker 1: and mom, but also promoted services as an online adult
22:44
Speaker 1: model on other social media. A neighbor two is looking
22:47
Speaker 1: for answers. Give us some kind of information. Do you
22:50
Speaker 1: have leads? Do you not have any leads? Do you
22:53
Speaker 1: have a person of interest? Anything to set our minds
22:56
Speaker 1: at ease, because right now the neighborhood is kind of
22:58
Speaker 1: on energy. Police still haven't said at how west Side
23:01
Speaker 1: if they're searching for a suspect or for online profession
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Speaker 1: play a role in her death online profession? To you,
23:08
Speaker 1: Dave Mack an online adult model? What exactly did this
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Speaker 1: suburban housewife do online? She actually had a three phase
23:20
Speaker 1: business model. Okay, she took pictures of herself at various
23:24
Speaker 1: stages of undressed. They were racy, risk a sexy poses
23:29
Speaker 1: on the public, ones that she would share for everybody
23:33
Speaker 1: to see. She was clothed but dressed very sect Then
23:38
Speaker 1: she would encourage you to go to a different website
23:42
Speaker 1: where you could look at more photos that had fewer
23:45
Speaker 1: clothes and if you like that, then there was the
23:48
Speaker 1: subscription site where for fifteen ninety nine a month, you
23:51
Speaker 1: could have unfettered access to looking at all of the
23:55
Speaker 1: photos that may or may not have clothing or so
24:00
Speaker 1: let me understand, as the value of the precious metal
24:04
Speaker 1: went up, the clothes went off. So you've got your
24:09
Speaker 1: regular you know, I guess silver level where she's posing.
24:15
Speaker 1: I guess cookies, making cookies in the kitchen. And then
24:18
Speaker 1: you got your gold and she's got on. As you
24:21
Speaker 1: say she's dressed sexy, I think you meant sexily. And
24:26
Speaker 1: then I guess platinum would be naked exactly. Have you
24:31
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of research on this day, Mac,
24:34
Speaker 1: more than I cared to admit, But I had an
24:37
Speaker 1: excuse when my wife saw me looking a baby. I'm working,
24:41
Speaker 1: So okay, I'm sure that went over really well. So
24:44
Speaker 1: you know, it's very difficult for me to believe James
24:46
Speaker 1: shell Nutt that her online business model, or as Dave
24:52
Speaker 1: Matt refers to it as a three tiered business model,
24:56
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with her death. That's really hard
24:59
Speaker 1: for me to take. You know, it could have it
25:01
Speaker 1: could have had something to do, but it could have
25:03
Speaker 1: been in multiple ways. Um, you know, could could there
25:06
Speaker 1: have been someone who saw these pictures who stalked her. Um,
25:10
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be the first time. I mean, we we've
25:12
Speaker 1: all cover cases and looked at cases like that. What
25:16
Speaker 1: more do we know about her online profession? Take a
25:20
Speaker 1: listen to our friend Patrick Thomas. She went by the
25:24
Speaker 1: name kitticat West Online, with a subscription based website selling
25:29
Speaker 1: racy photos. I talked to police who only say they're
25:33
Speaker 1: still investigating this case as a homicide. In this open note,
25:38
Speaker 1: a whole book of worries, like do I have to
25:45
Speaker 1: put kemels around my house? A question? Lee says he
25:48
Speaker 1: wishes he didn't have to ask, But just the thought
25:52
Speaker 1: of it. Have to a beautiful lady, a mother makes
25:56
Speaker 1: me look at my wife and children. What does my
25:58
Speaker 1: taste her away from me? I be devastating. Police department
26:03
Speaker 1: is releasing a few details at this time. Chief Sean
26:05
Speaker 1: Limley says he's afraid of hurting the investigation. If you
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Speaker 1: look online, there she is wearing a sexy police outfit.
26:16
Speaker 1: There she is wearing not too much at all, I
26:19
Speaker 1: think baking cookies in the kitchen. There's I mean, there's
26:23
Speaker 1: all different sorts up pictures of mostly of her in
26:26
Speaker 1: racy lingerie who was looking at these photos. One of
26:32
Speaker 1: the first things you've got to do is you agree
26:34
Speaker 1: or disagree, doctor Daniel Bober, you're the forensic psychiatrist, is
26:38
Speaker 1: get the clientele list off the computer as to who
26:43
Speaker 1: was looking at Catwest online. Absolutely, Nancy, you know, maybe
26:47
Speaker 1: it's something, maybe it's nothing, but you need that client
26:49
Speaker 1: list to see, you know, if you can track IP
26:52
Speaker 1: addresses or find out if there was someone who, you know,
26:54
Speaker 1: maybe in their own head, was interpreting it a different
26:57
Speaker 1: way and was stalking her. So these are all things
26:59
Speaker 1: that need to be well. You don't know which way
27:02
Speaker 1: to go. You start checking the victims the movements leading
27:06
Speaker 1: up to their death. And that's exactly what police began
27:10
Speaker 1: to do. Take a list of our friends and Inside Edition,
27:13
Speaker 1: this is the last time stay at home mom Kathleen
27:15
Speaker 1: West was seen alive. Surveillance footage obtained exclusively by Inside
27:20
Speaker 1: Edition shows the beautiful woman shopping and laughing inside a
27:24
Speaker 1: liquor store eight hours before she was found dead. Kat
27:28
Speaker 1: bought the bottle of absent that R and R wine
27:30
Speaker 1: and liquor the night before her body was discovered. The
27:33
Speaker 1: store of surveillance video shows are pulling up in a
27:35
Speaker 1: black chevy with a man who looks like her husband.
27:39
Speaker 1: She's wearing a striped top, a leather jacket, jeans, and wedges.
27:43
Speaker 1: She sure seems to be in a happy move. At
27:46
Speaker 1: one point, the guy gives her a playful pat on
27:48
Speaker 1: her behind. What happened when they came in the store.
27:51
Speaker 1: They came in, they were It looked like they were
27:54
Speaker 1: on their date night. They bought a bottle of Jamison
27:57
Speaker 1: and a bottle of Lucid absent and made their purchase
28:00
Speaker 1: and went on their way, and everything seemed normal. Everything
28:02
Speaker 1: was normal. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking
28:16
Speaker 1: about the untimely death of a beautiful young soccer mom
28:21
Speaker 1: on her quiet suburban cul de sac that coincidentally has
28:25
Speaker 1: a second light as an online adult model posing in
28:31
Speaker 1: racy lingerie and much much less, What if anything, did
28:35
Speaker 1: that have to do with her death? Her name Cat
28:39
Speaker 1: nickname online Kitty Cat. So to you, Dave Mack. She's
28:44
Speaker 1: pictured at this liquor store getting the absinthe. Somebody's patting
28:48
Speaker 1: her on the rear end. Who's that it is? Her husband,
28:52
Speaker 1: Jeff Blest And how close to the time of death,
28:58
Speaker 1: as explained by doctor Catherine Maloney, how close in time?
29:04
Speaker 1: Was that eight hours between the time we last saw
29:07
Speaker 1: her and the time the police are called at five
29:11
Speaker 1: ten in the morning. Then a surprise goes down for
29:14
Speaker 1: anyone and everyone that is involved in the case. Listen,
29:22
Speaker 1: a swarm of investigators, an unexpected interruption to DAWNE. Williams breakfast,
29:26
Speaker 1: About four more other cars followed. You know, they jumped
29:29
Speaker 1: all out. You know, the guy was already standing outside
29:32
Speaker 1: and he had his hands up. He immediately got on
29:34
Speaker 1: the ground. Williams watched police arrest Jeff West, now charged
29:37
Speaker 1: with murder, accused of killing his wife Kathleen last month.
29:41
Speaker 1: Investigators say she died from blunt force trauma, but west
29:44
Speaker 1: father william isn't so sure. I think how Peter did.
29:48
Speaker 1: Kathleen West often posted provocative photos on her subscription based website,
29:53
Speaker 1: drawing even more attention to the case. A Facebook group
29:56
Speaker 1: discussing her murder now has thousands of members. I don't
29:59
Speaker 1: really keep with other crimes. I mean, I've never seen
30:03
Speaker 1: a Facebook page murder to Dave Matt what is the
30:07
Speaker 1: small town? Kleia is a suburb out in the country
30:12
Speaker 1: from Birmingham, Alabama. It's on the southern side about twelve
30:15
Speaker 1: thousand people give her take. You know, typically I would
30:18
Speaker 1: say to you, Bobby Chicone, that the fact that it's
30:21
Speaker 1: such a small small town, a low population, that it
30:26
Speaker 1: would have to be somebody that need her. But given
30:29
Speaker 1: her online adult modeling, that really opens up the universe
30:33
Speaker 1: of suspects. Absolutely, Nancy, I actually, you know, almost makes
30:37
Speaker 1: it infinite. I mean, you have to, like you said earlier,
30:39
Speaker 1: you have to start looking at the subscribers to her website,
30:42
Speaker 1: not just the subscribers to her website, but the hits
30:45
Speaker 1: on her website that they've described, the ones that don't
30:49
Speaker 1: have to sign up but can go to that intermediate website.
30:52
Speaker 1: You have to look at who's on there, whether she
30:54
Speaker 1: engaged in any chat conversations with these people, whether any
30:58
Speaker 1: of these people lived in her area. Uh. I mean
31:00
Speaker 1: that online presence for investigators creates an immensely larger pool
31:07
Speaker 1: of suspects. I want to get doctor Maloney's opinion on this.
31:13
Speaker 1: The husband's father says that he believes she got drunk
31:18
Speaker 1: and fell. What can you tell me about the injury.
31:21
Speaker 1: Was it to the front of the head, the back
31:22
Speaker 1: of the head, what do we know? That's a very
31:24
Speaker 1: good question. Nancy. I reviewed everything I could find on
31:28
Speaker 1: the internet, but the most specific information I was able
31:31
Speaker 1: to come across is that it was blunt impact injuries
31:34
Speaker 1: of the head, which is pretty vague description, so I'm
31:38
Speaker 1: not entirely sure where the injuries were. What about it,
31:40
Speaker 1: Dave matt What do we know about her injury? We
31:43
Speaker 1: exactly what doctor Maloney just said, top of the head injury, Well,
31:49
Speaker 1: top of the head. That's important to doctor Maloney. I
31:55
Speaker 1: had an arson case where a millionaire burned down his
31:59
Speaker 1: mansion and whoops, his wife was in there. He managed
32:02
Speaker 1: to escape with his fully dressed at one am, wallet
32:07
Speaker 1: keys belt. She used the works. She died smoke inhalation.
32:13
Speaker 1: But the medical examiner found blows bruises to the very
32:20
Speaker 1: top of her head. Now, how do you get a
32:23
Speaker 1: blow to the top of your head by a fall.
32:27
Speaker 1: She's halfway in the yard, she's halfway on the driveway.
32:31
Speaker 1: What's there to hit the curve? How do you do
32:34
Speaker 1: it on the very top of your head? Doctorl In general,
32:37
Speaker 1: what they kind of teach you as a medical examiner
32:39
Speaker 1: is that any injury that's above the level of a
32:42
Speaker 1: man's hat, so basically above the ears, is usually considered
32:48
Speaker 1: somewhat suspicious unless you have some type of circumstances that
32:51
Speaker 1: explain how that could have happened, like someone fell down
32:54
Speaker 1: a flight of stairs, or someone fell off of something,
32:56
Speaker 1: or again, like you said, if her head was lined
32:58
Speaker 1: up just right against the curve curb, it's possible. But
33:02
Speaker 1: with generally a fall with a blow to like the
33:04
Speaker 1: back of the head or the side of the head,
33:06
Speaker 1: usually those are going to be blow the level of
33:08
Speaker 1: the ears. Absolutely. And at trial in the case I
33:11
Speaker 1: was telling you about doctor Maloney, the defense tried to
33:14
Speaker 1: argue that the fire rescuers, when carrying her down the stairs,
33:20
Speaker 1: they rammed her head into a spindle of the staircase. Plausible,
33:27
Speaker 1: But was it enough to be the fatal blow by
33:32
Speaker 1: just hitting somebody's head on a staircase? And here I mean,
33:37
Speaker 1: how how much force does it require doctor Maloney to
33:43
Speaker 1: kill yourself with a blow on the top of the head.
33:47
Speaker 1: First of all, you have to be an Olympic gymnast
33:49
Speaker 1: to get a blow like that on the top of
33:51
Speaker 1: your head. But how much force would it require? Probably
33:56
Speaker 1: not from a fall from a standing height. You can
33:58
Speaker 1: get skull fractures if you fall just from standing up,
34:02
Speaker 1: but usually those aren't going to be injuries that are
34:04
Speaker 1: going to be immediately fatal. So in general, the person
34:08
Speaker 1: usually is able to get back up and go get help,
34:10
Speaker 1: unless they've broken their neck or something and they've become paralyzed.
34:14
Speaker 1: Usually the person will have a really bad headache or
34:16
Speaker 1: might be temporarily unconscious, but generally the person isn't going
34:19
Speaker 1: to instantly die just from a fall with hitting the head. Well,
34:23
Speaker 1: now we know the husband is charged in this, but
34:27
Speaker 1: take a listen. We can see what the defense is
34:29
Speaker 1: lining up to be. Take a listen to Mary O'Connell.
34:34
Speaker 1: This is the father of Jeff West. Speaking. Jeff West's
34:39
Speaker 1: father says both of the couple's parents aren't buying it.
34:42
Speaker 1: William West believes his daughter likely was drunk and accidentally fell.
34:46
Speaker 1: Now his grief has turned to something else because I
34:51
Speaker 1: know they screwed it up and they're trying to blame somebody,
34:56
Speaker 1: and they told him it was circumstantial evidence. Then they
35:00
Speaker 1: say they got proof, they don't know what they've got.
35:04
Speaker 1: As for Kat's life as an adult model, he says
35:07
Speaker 1: his son knew all about it. He wasn't fooling around
35:10
Speaker 1: on it with him with anybody else. This was just
35:13
Speaker 1: a potal thing and there's a lot of freaks out there.
35:17
Speaker 1: It gets into that stuff. A police have told us
35:20
Speaker 1: for more than a week that they were confident in
35:22
Speaker 1: this case and confident that they had the right guy.
35:26
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Dave mac what else
35:30
Speaker 1: do police have other than the fact that he's a
35:33
Speaker 1: husband and they were together. You were just listening to
35:35
Speaker 1: Stephen Quinn at ABC. What else do they claim to have,
35:39
Speaker 1: Dave mack Well, what the police actually have is they
35:42
Speaker 1: actually have the security The home had a security system
35:47
Speaker 1: that actually showed when doors were opened and closed and
35:51
Speaker 1: how long they were left open. And in this particular case,
35:55
Speaker 1: we have a door, the front door to the home
35:58
Speaker 1: I believe was opened at about ten after one in
36:01
Speaker 1: the morning and it remained open for the rest of
36:05
Speaker 1: the night and was not closed until after her body
36:08
Speaker 1: was discovered in the yard. That's the one big piece
36:12
Speaker 1: of evidence that they have. And of course we have
36:16
Speaker 1: the fingerprints of his on the bottle of the absence
36:21
Speaker 1: I know, but he was at the liquor store when
36:24
Speaker 1: they bought the absinthe, so you know, that could explain
36:28
Speaker 1: to why why his prints were on the bottle. Do
36:31
Speaker 1: they know if the bottle was the murder weapon. That's
36:35
Speaker 1: what has been suggested, Nancy. But the bottle that was
36:38
Speaker 1: come on top of the cell phone in the yard,
36:42
Speaker 1: actually the label had been taken off, and they found
36:45
Speaker 1: the label later the next day as they were collecting evidence.
36:50
Speaker 1: I was still shocked the fact that if the bottle
36:52
Speaker 1: was used as a murder weapon, that it wasn't broken,
36:54
Speaker 1: but it was still altful of liquor. I want you
36:57
Speaker 1: to take a listen to our cut thirteen. This is
36:59
Speaker 1: Stephen Quinnett with ABC. The state's going to have a
37:03
Speaker 1: big problem with this. Listen. Police say they've had the
37:07
Speaker 1: same suspect all along twice. Did you kill your wife?
37:10
Speaker 1: Police arrested Jeff West and charged him with his wife's murder.
37:14
Speaker 1: The investigation, which lasted more than a month, ended under
37:17
Speaker 1: the same roof where it started. Police question West, but
37:20
Speaker 1: he appears to say very little. Didn't seem to be
37:23
Speaker 1: the tomes that I've seen him, didn't seem to be
37:24
Speaker 1: a very episode. Earlier this month, a judge denied West's
37:28
Speaker 1: request to have his bond lowered. He's still in jail tonight.
37:31
Speaker 1: This victim does have family there is also a fender
37:35
Speaker 1: that has family. It's a tragedy all the way around
37:37
Speaker 1: for everybody involved. But there's a twist. The parents of
37:40
Speaker 1: both Jeff and Kat West have united against the police.
37:44
Speaker 1: Kat West's mother appeared in court alongside her son in
37:47
Speaker 1: law's family. She told a judge her daughter was a
37:49
Speaker 1: binge drinker and bipolar and that she too believes Jeff's
37:53
Speaker 1: story that her daughter slipped and fell that faithful night.
37:57
Speaker 1: We went to the funeral together. We saw her buddy together.
38:01
Speaker 1: I saw him. You can't fake what he went through.
38:04
Speaker 1: Movie at the funeral. Food to Dave Mack, this case
38:08
Speaker 1: is in a court of law right now. Where are
38:11
Speaker 1: they at in the trial? Just finished day two of
38:14
Speaker 1: the trial. During the first day of testimony, there was
38:17
Speaker 1: a lot of talking over what happened with that nine
38:20
Speaker 1: one one called when Kat's body was discovered. That the
38:24
Speaker 1: eyewitnesses said that they could see somebody in the home
38:28
Speaker 1: of Gat West pacing. A man pacing back and forth
38:31
Speaker 1: the whole time. He only popped his head out briefly
38:33
Speaker 1: and said, Hey, that's my wife, and they went back inside.
38:36
Speaker 1: They said all the lights were on in that house,
38:38
Speaker 1: the door was wide open and the man is pacing
38:40
Speaker 1: back and forth while his wife is laying dead in
38:43
Speaker 1: the yard. Well that's not going to help the defense.
38:46
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,