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Mom Shocked After Learning Teen Sons Are Wanted Killers · The conspiracy

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: This is Tiffany, mother of Tyler and Eli Schaffin. Just
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: hours earlier, her two sons brutally killed a man and
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  Speaker 1: left his body by the side of the road.
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  Speaker 2: I felt I had a shoe wills to make sure
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  Speaker 2: my brother did hear her.
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  Speaker 1: As Tiffany listens in horror, the brothers insist they were
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  Speaker 1: only protecting each other, but the truth is far darker.
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  Speaker 1: Over the next twenty four hours, Tiffany will face the
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  Speaker 1: worst day of her life as she slowly pieces together
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  Speaker 1: the horrifying truth that she's raised two terrifying killers.
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  Speaker 3: And your brother, your brother murdered somebody.
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  Speaker 4: Some people have a fucked up boy looking at things.
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  Speaker 5: But the killer is a killer, is a killer, right.
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  Speaker 1: The Chief and brothers. Sunday begins like any other morning
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  Speaker 1: and their parents remote home near Aztec, New Mexico. They're
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  Speaker 1: sitting in the living room watching gun YouTubers and playing
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  Speaker 1: video games. A young woman is with them. She turns
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  Speaker 1: to the brothers and asks if they would kill for her,
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  Speaker 1: But just then her phone buzzes, and in that moment,
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  Speaker 1: something in her snaps. She stands up, looks at the
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  Speaker 1: brothers and tells them they're going for a ride and
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  Speaker 1: to bring guns. Two hours later, in a quiet trailer park,
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  Speaker 1: residents here four sharp gunshots echo through the area and
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  Speaker 1: they rush to their windows. They see a man lying
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  Speaker 1: motionless in a puddle of blood and a car speeding
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  Speaker 1: away from the scene. Seconds later, nine to one one
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  Speaker 1: calls begin pouring in from terrified witnesses, marking the start
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  Speaker 1: of a multi hour manhunt unlike anything this town has
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  Speaker 1: ever experienced.
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  Speaker 6: Just to shoot out.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody got shot of and I think somebody's either dead
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  Speaker 1: or bleeding across the streets.
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  Speaker 4: He was walking out of the house and they just started
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  Speaker 4: opening fire on him like a white as us.
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  Speaker 7: I'm the neighbor.
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  Speaker 8: I donot want my name used guns trapped.
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  Speaker 2: Less than five minutes ago, he hopped into a white
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  Speaker 2: she looked to be like a Ford estate.
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  Speaker 1: Within minutes, multiple officers rushed to the scene with no
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  Speaker 1: idea what they're up against or if the shooter is
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  Speaker 1: still somewhere nearby. The following footage has never been seen
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  Speaker 1: before until now. Viewer discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 4: You guys can leave, Go ahead and leave.
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  Speaker 9: He's uh, obviously.
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  Speaker 4: Ten to seven.
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  Speaker 1: Officers find the victim lying face down in the grass
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  Speaker 1: while nearby residents begin gathering outside, oblivious to the danger
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  Speaker 1: still in the by, and before officers can secure the scene,
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  Speaker 1: something catches their attention, a white SUV parked just one
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards away, matching the description of the suspects vehicle
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  Speaker 1: if guns drawn, They move in cautiously, fully expecting to
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  Speaker 1: confront the gunmen.
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  Speaker 10: Out of your call, Get out of the car.
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  Speaker 6: Car?
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  Speaker 11: Is there anyone else in your car?
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  Speaker 12: Just your dog?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: Okay, just keep walking to me.
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  Speaker 13: Do you have any weapons on you?
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  Speaker 12: Put your hands on top of your head for me.
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  Speaker 9: Please. Here, I just went the dollar story about cigarettes.
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  Speaker 9: I can't suit my body before I turns around. Right there,
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  Speaker 9: and you guys are right there.
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  Speaker 1: The driver appears unarmed and at first glance, seems like
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  Speaker 1: more of a witness than a suspect. Officers clear him,
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  Speaker 1: then move on to search his vehicle, but they find
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  Speaker 1: no guns or anything that connects him to the shooting.
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  Speaker 1: That leaves police with almost nothing to go on, and
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  Speaker 1: they still don't even know the victim's identity. But that's
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  Speaker 1: about to change, because the driver is about to give
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  Speaker 1: officers their first real lead of the day. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: pulled being there there was a place you're almost like,
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  Speaker 1: definitely a bigger one.
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  Speaker 9: We got on the highway.
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  Speaker 8: He turned towards the as yet okay highway, pulled my
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  Speaker 8: open air quick no go ahead, okay, just to make sure.
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  Speaker 4: If you have.
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  Speaker 3: Witness and he saw a white Chevy blazer and he's
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  Speaker 3: found on thirty.
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  Speaker 14: Days, he said he saw it turning one really quick
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  Speaker 14: on the background and the turning desk more than likely
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  Speaker 14: probably here.
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  Speaker 1: With the help from witnesses, police now have a clearer
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  Speaker 1: picture of what they're looking for, specifically a white Chevy
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  Speaker 1: blazer with gold trim that sped away immediately after the gunshots.
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  Speaker 1: After the scene is secured, officers return to the body
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  Speaker 1: to examine it closely and determine the victim's identity. What
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  Speaker 1: they document here will become critical evidence detectives later used
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  Speaker 1: to secure a conviction.
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  Speaker 4: He's got a blood spot on his head. He may
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  Speaker 4: have one. He may have one in his head and
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  Speaker 4: live there.
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  Speaker 7: Unless run of one shoulder here, unless this step.
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  Speaker 4: You know, something caused him to fall forward though that if.
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  Speaker 7: This was the first shot, yeah forward, you.
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  Speaker 8: Know that can't be the first shot though, because that's
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  Speaker 8: on the back of his leg.
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  Speaker 4: He was standing up facing this way.
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  Speaker 14: In the car.
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  Speaker 4: To take off running. Maybe he was walking from the road.
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  Speaker 9: I think he was walked in this way.
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  Speaker 13: If he was down, somebody walked over or got to
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  Speaker 13: the edge of top in the head.
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  Speaker 1: As officers study the wounds, something troubling starts to stand out.
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  Speaker 1: This doesn't look like a chaotic shooting, but it's more
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  Speaker 1: in line with a calculated execution. The shot pattern is brutal,
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  Speaker 1: hinting at a violent, twisted killer on the loose. The
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  Speaker 1: victim appears to be in his early forties, with at
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  Speaker 1: least four gunshot wounds, and with no gun in sight,
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  Speaker 1: it's likely he was unarmed, and at this point the
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  Speaker 1: officers still don't know his identity or what would drive
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  Speaker 1: someone to kill him so brutally. But that's when they
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  Speaker 1: noticed something crucial, a trail of fresh footprints leading straight
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  Speaker 1: to a nearby house. With guns drawn, officers move in cautiously.
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  Speaker 1: After searching the home, officers find no one inside, but
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  Speaker 1: they do notice women's clothing and drug paraphernalia tucked inside
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  Speaker 1: the cupboards, along with family photos of a man who
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  Speaker 1: resembles the diseased victim, leading them to believe this is
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  Speaker 1: his residence, with the house cleared, officers step back outside
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  Speaker 1: to regroup and figure out their next move. They still
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  Speaker 1: don't know the victim's name, and they're no closer to
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  Speaker 1: identifying who shot him, so they split up to gather
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  Speaker 1: information from nearby residents, where they'll learn the victim's name
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  Speaker 1: and hear some concerning details about his life.
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  Speaker 6: I hey, but Chasa, you're here any lay? Yes, he
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  Speaker 6: lives in this last fello over here, Jos.
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  Speaker 15: At least six months earlier.
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  Speaker 9: Did you hear anything over here?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Sure?
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  Speaker 9: Are her three shots?
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  Speaker 12: How many people come and go from the house?
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  Speaker 9: You're aware of a few?
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  Speaker 4: Do they ever have any issues over there?
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  Speaker 13: Oh? Fighting?
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  Speaker 4: Who? Who? Fights?
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  Speaker 9: Sill and William.
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  Speaker 1: After speaking with several more neighbors, officers finally confirmed the
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  Speaker 1: victim's identity thirty seven year old William Johnson, a father
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  Speaker 1: of two daughters, known around the area as Bubba. They
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  Speaker 1: also learn about a twenty three year old girl named
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  Speaker 1: Sierra who'd been living with William and often was seen
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  Speaker 1: arguing with him, but no one seems to know her
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  Speaker 1: last name, something police now need to track down. Coincidentally,
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  Speaker 1: one of the officers canvassing the area encounters a driver
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  Speaker 1: parked along the roadside, who claims to be Sierra's friend
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  Speaker 1: and knows exactly how to find her.
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  Speaker 11: How's it going good?
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  Speaker 9: Did you know her be because you worked with her?
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  Speaker 13: Because I worked with this she was also a friend
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  Speaker 13: of my daughter?
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  Speaker 9: Is he argument?
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  Speaker 6: Sierra still begin for some dumb reason on that do
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  Speaker 6: not exactly work out.
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  Speaker 9: You will had bad everything, But just how do you
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  Speaker 9: know he was doing?
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  Speaker 8: I see still to sell to who?
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  Speaker 1: S Sierra's friend would go on to provide officers with
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  Speaker 1: her full name and phone number. Twenty three year old
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  Speaker 1: Sierra Collins, William's ex girlfriend. When detectives arrived to begin
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  Speaker 1: their homicide investigation, they quickly realize they're already familiar with Sierra.
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  Speaker 1: Her record includes several drug related defenses and even a
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  Speaker 1: restraining order she filed against William himself. She had recently
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  Speaker 1: completed a rehamp program, was trying to regain custody of
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  Speaker 1: her son, and was working towards becoming a teacher. With
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  Speaker 1: her name confirmed, the investigator decides to call her. At
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  Speaker 1: this point, all the detective knows about Sierra is that
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  Speaker 1: she's William's ex girlfriend. He simply wants to ask her
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  Speaker 1: about William and has no reason to believe she's in anything.
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  Speaker 1: But that will change quickly once she answers the phone.
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  Speaker 1: let's get back to the investigation, where the detective is
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  Speaker 1: about to call Sierra and discover she may know exactly
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  Speaker 1: how William ended up.
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  Speaker 9: Dad, I'm sorry, is this Sierra?
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  Speaker 12: Who's this detective the Sheriff's office.
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  Speaker 9: I was trying to get a hold of you.
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  Speaker 12: Are you available right now?
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  Speaker 13: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: Sure?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 12: I just have some questions I'd like I really would
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  Speaker 12: like to speak with you. It involves William. Oh, sh like,
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  Speaker 12: it's very very important. You can't meet with me for like,
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  Speaker 12: literally like twenty minutes. Is I really need right now?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: If you can can call you back?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 12: How long do you think?
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  Speaker 13: Roughly call you back in next ten minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Sierra hangs up, but calls back shortly after, ultimately agreeing
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  Speaker 1: to come to the station. Unknowingly, the upcoming interview with
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  Speaker 1: Sierra will blow the case wide open, but the Chaffin
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  Speaker 1: brothers on the run. It's armed fugitives and trigger a
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  Speaker 1: dangerous multi hour manhunt.
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  Speaker 10: Keep your right hand up with your left hand only
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  Speaker 10: opened the door.
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  Speaker 8: So I don't think that with you, not today anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yess Sair.
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  Speaker 12: Do you know he who he dealt with on the
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  Speaker 12: on that drug whole drug side of things, Like who
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  Speaker 12: kind of his person was? The reason I asked you
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  Speaker 12: is that's a mode, that's a great motive.
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  Speaker 7: I mean he bought do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Did he owe any of them? Yes?
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  Speaker 9: Okay, who did.
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  Speaker 4: He owe you money?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 4: I know he owned the way anything I talked to
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  Speaker 4: him this morning.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, anybody's a point where you think they would
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  Speaker 12: want to kill him, Like why would someone want.
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  Speaker 4: To murder him?
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  Speaker 12: Like we're not here to play games, We're not here,
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  Speaker 12: Like maybe he's dead, maybe he's not.
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  Speaker 4: He was murdered this morning. And I'm calling you.
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  Speaker 12: Trying to so that you can help me. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 12: not here to keep you in trouble.
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  Speaker 9: Obviously he's not in trouble.
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  Speaker 12: He can't be in trouble because regardless of whether you
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  Speaker 12: agree with what he was doing or not, or trying
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  Speaker 12: to help him or whatever, why'd you guys break up?
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  Speaker 4: Was he abusive to you?
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  Speaker 1: Sierra starts crying almost immediately, but the detective can quickly
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  Speaker 1: tell it isn't genuine grief, more like someone afraid of
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  Speaker 1: getting into trouble. Seeing this, he shifts the conversation to
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  Speaker 1: William's phone. Officers had found it at the crime scene earlier,
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  Speaker 1: believing it might contain crucial evidence. The detective brings it
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  Speaker 1: up to see whether Sierra is willing to help unlock it,
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  Speaker 1: something she would do without hesitation if she truly cared
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  Speaker 1: about William.
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  Speaker 4: What's the pass code for Williams? Don't tell me you
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  Speaker 4: don't know, because I know that you.
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  Speaker 12: Do, know you, and I know that you know. And listen,
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  Speaker 12: I'm gonna tell you something right now, the chain of
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  Speaker 12: events that took place. If I can access that phone,
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  Speaker 12: that will help me huge.
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  Speaker 4: No, he does. There's a quote on it.
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  Speaker 9: What is it on his phone? A long time? You're
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  Speaker 9: not in trouble.
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  Speaker 12: You're here to help me. You are here to help me.
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  Speaker 12: That's why I called you.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna get in trouble.
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  Speaker 4: How for what I don't know on his phone?
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  Speaker 12: Why would you be in trouble for what I see
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  Speaker 12: in his phone? I brought you here because I know
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  Speaker 12: that in your relationship, I know you love him, Like,
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  Speaker 12: how do you know that?
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  Speaker 1: Seearra's reaction here is concerning, to say the least outright.
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  Speaker 1: Refusing to help unlock the phone because she's worried it
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  Speaker 1: might contain something incriminating is a major red flag for
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  Speaker 1: the detective, and her lack of cooperation is doing nothing
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  Speaker 1: to help her case. But things don't stop there. As
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  Speaker 1: the interview continues, Sierra soon reveals the real reason she
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  Speaker 1: won't talk.
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  Speaker 13: I'm getting hit.
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  Speaker 7: In trouble if I say something, will I.
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  Speaker 4: Don't like for what I mean?
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  Speaker 9: I guess what do you What do you think?
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  Speaker 4: I mean? Did you shoot him?
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  Speaker 8: So?
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  Speaker 4: What do you? I mean? What do you think?
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  Speaker 13: You go to general?
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  Speaker 7: I'm try to starting to be a T shirt.
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  Speaker 9: You know, just your bad. You're not going to jump
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  Speaker 9: for anything.
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  Speaker 7: I can go for a walk and let's go.
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  Speaker 12: I'll leave my ship in here right now, We'll go
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  Speaker 12: walk down the street right now. I don't know this
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  Speaker 12: is this isn't the FBI on TV.
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  Speaker 9: This camera rager, this is the only camera.
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  Speaker 12: My phone's are right, I will leave all my ship
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  Speaker 12: right here.
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  Speaker 9: We go for a walk, right here.
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  Speaker 1: Even though Sierra admits she knows who killed William, she
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  Speaker 1: refuses to see it inside the interrogation room, so the
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  Speaker 1: two agree to go for a walk, and the detective
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  Speaker 1: leaves his body camera behind as he escorts her outside,
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  Speaker 1: hoping she'll finally talk. Outside, Sierra explains that her friend
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Chaffin, whom she met in rehab, and his brother
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  Speaker 1: Eli were the killers, and insists she had no part
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  Speaker 1: in the murder, claiming the brothers were unstable and the
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  Speaker 1: younger one simply wanted to murder someone. This, however, is
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  Speaker 1: only Sierra's version of events, a version that conveniently leaves
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  Speaker 1: out the week long plan she set in motion to
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  Speaker 1: get William killed while letting someone else take the blame.
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  Speaker 1: For now, the detectives take her statements at face value,
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  Speaker 1: though he does confiscate her phone to search for any
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  Speaker 1: incriminating evidence. Following this, investigators begin digging into the Chaffan
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  Speaker 1: brothers and discover that the older brother, Tyler, is a
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  Speaker 1: convicted felon with a prior arrest for assaulting a peace officer.
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  Speaker 1: To make matters worse, they find several firearm purchases, including
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  Speaker 1: rifles and pistols. Registered to the chaff In household. With
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  Speaker 1: this information in mind, the brothers are officially considered armed
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  Speaker 1: and extremely dangerous, prompting Swant to join the multi county manhunt.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, across town, the brothers are already
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  Speaker 1: pecking their guns and getting ready to flee. Convinced that
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  Speaker 1: Sierra has already betrayed them, SWAT teams move toward the
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  Speaker 1: Chapin's residents, planning to ambush the brothers at their parents' home.
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  Speaker 1: The goal is clear, apprehend the suspects with no casualties. However,
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  Speaker 1: nothing about what happens next will go according to plan.
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  Speaker 5: Easy if people just last so Sam, Yeah, we're just
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  Speaker 5: gonna be putting along.
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  Speaker 1: Armed and ready, SWAT races to the address. They set
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  Speaker 1: up surveillance on the roads surrounding the residents, waiting for
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  Speaker 1: the suspects to either arrive or make a run for it.
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  Speaker 1: Once officers arrive, they immediately surround the home and begin
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  Speaker 1: attempts to draw the brothers out. After several unsuccessful attempts
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  Speaker 1: to get the brothers to surrender, Swamp begins preparing to
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  Speaker 1: breach the residents.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this door should be easy to breach.
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  Speaker 14: Get Wive with the luck if you just go ahead, well,
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  Speaker 14: I've got two steps here.
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  Speaker 2: Just don't tell us stuck.
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  Speaker 11: To make sure, tell us what hit the bot it
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  Speaker 11: to command successful breach looks like a jan.
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  Speaker 13: Goes into a dining room, bustle the kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: Kee won, he won?
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  Speaker 4: Shut yeah, you w yep, this is weird.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's moved up shed to the right and then
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  Speaker 9: there's forward to the left.
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  Speaker 14: Go climb with here.
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  Speaker 1: That you're good, hur right here, I mean, after searching
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  Speaker 1: the entire home, no chapin brother is found, but whoever
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  Speaker 1: lives here has left half a dozen guns behind, meaning
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: they could return at any moment. Just then, a white
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  Speaker 1: suv matching the exact description of the suspects car is
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  Speaker 1: spotted approaching the house. Officers draw their guns, immediately closing
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: in on the vehicle as they brace for a shootout.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: For livestop intera.
• 18:43
  Speaker 10: Keep your right hand up with your left hand only
• 18:45
  Speaker 10: open the door, get out, put your hands up, turn
• 18:49
  Speaker 10: around and place away from me.
• 18:50
  Speaker 12: On your keep there goes up your handwork hands up
• 18:54
  Speaker 12: up your head, keep coming back, keep coming back.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Your has on your face, on your face, on your face,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: on your face.
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: Daw Claire, we've got two in trustines.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Sixty three officers successfully arrest the brothers and find an
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: AR fifteen rifle in their car, a reminder of just
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: how deadly this confrontation could have been. They're then placed
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: together in the same police vehicle to be taken to
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the station. This is a deliberate move. The car is
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: equipped with a microphone that might capture the suspects coordinating
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: a cover up. The smartest move for the brothers would
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: be to stay silent, but the police aren't dealing with
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the brightest. What they're about to say will give investigators
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: all the ammunition they need for the upcoming interrogations and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a chilling glimpse into the twisted minds of these killers.
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: Okay, so I gotta reach down here or don't kick
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: me seven? Did you see?
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: I'm alright, you guys, hang tight, all right, sir Jill.
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: Don't tell them that you want to commit all right.
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: I mean you're going to go to the same cell block. Okay,
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: we'll be together. I'll show you how to do jail.
• 20:05
  Speaker 15: I don't have my gun anyway.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Just be cool, okay, yeah, good.
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: And c or something stupid like that. So whenever they
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: had gotten to the place is to take them out.
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: He pulled that shit out.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: On the way to the station. Tyler, being the older brother,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: immediately takes charge, telling Eli not to cry or bring
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: up self harm and to stick to their story. From
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: this conversation alone, the detectives can already tell the brothers
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: won't be easy to break, especially if they stay together,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So once they arrive at the station, the brothers are
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: immediately separated. From this point on, neither will know where
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the other is or what they've said. The detective assigned
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to interview the brothers is Detective Decker, who served with
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: distinction and was recently promoted to sergeant. Decker's goal is
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to provoke one of the brothers into slipping up and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: contradicting the other, a strategy aimed at uncovering what really happened. Eli,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the teenage brother who allegedly pulled the trigger, is the
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: first to be interviewed, but once they sit down, Eli
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: instantly starts bargaining and asks for something the detective could
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: have never seen coming.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I don't going after that held a nineteen nineteen.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: I'd like to have a parent sand for the questioning,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: as any time I've been told if they're going to do.
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: Any question for you is to have them in during
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: the questioning.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: But you're at this point, you're nineteen. The parent part
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: generally applies to juveniles, so I still like it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: The detective Decker is baffled. Eli is nineteen legally an adult,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: yet he still insists on having his mother present. Decker
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: already senses how messy this could get. Any parent with
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: even basic instincts would tell their kid to ask for
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a lawyer immediately, but with no other choice, he escorts
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Eli back to his cell, still weighing the pros and
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: cons of calling the mother. In the meantime, the detective
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: moves on to interview Tyler, who will prove to have
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a very different strategy, one the detective won't catch on
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to right away.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: So so I got to ask you before we hit
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: going men, do you have any idea why you might
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: be here today?
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: Not really, not really at all.
• 22:23
  Speaker 16: And the reason that I tell you that is because
• 22:25
  Speaker 16: I know we all we all screw up, we all
• 22:28
  Speaker 16: do stupid things.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: But the reason that you're here today is in reference
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: to William Johnson. Do you know who that is? Okay,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: how do you know him?
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: I met this girl he was like her own exployfriend
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: or something like that.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: What girl did you meet her name?
• 22:44
  Speaker 14: Sierra?
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Call me known Sierra for a week recently meeting her?
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: Or iop together? What is that intensile patient treatment for
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: alcohol drugs today?
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: No, sober n you know of William because of her?
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Because of her?
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: She talked about him here and there.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Have you ever met William Never?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Tyler shows no real reaction to what Detective Decker just said,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: instead playing completely oblivious, as if he has no idea
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: why he's even sitting in an interview room. But underneath
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: that act, the pressure is already cracking through because Tyler
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: already suspects Sierra has sold them out. He just doesn't
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: know how much investigators have against him and his brother.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Seeing this, the detective decides it's time to plainly lay
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it out and make sure Tyler understands that he's here
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: for murder, a revelation that immediately since Tyler scrambling to improvise, like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I told you.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: I'm here to talk to you about William Johnson. So
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: William Johnson was murdered. Yeah, yeah, So.
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna be straight with you now, I down the bush.
• 24:01
  Speaker 15: She came out with us, and we went to the
• 24:04
  Speaker 15: sword place over there kind of battle where he lives.
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: And went to the storage place and she said him,
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: its clover again and full back. So I want to
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: track up the car.
• 24:15
  Speaker 15: So went over droven next to his house, and this
• 24:20
  Speaker 15: dude came out and started approaching the vehicle. I then
• 24:24
  Speaker 15: grabbed a twenty two pistol and pointed out and told
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: him to stop.
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: He got up in my face. I hit him with
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: the pistol. Says I hit him with the pistol.
• 24:34
  Speaker 15: He had something in his hand. I don't know what
• 24:36
  Speaker 15: it was, but he got me in that got me
• 24:38
  Speaker 15: in head. We went to the ground, says I went
• 24:41
  Speaker 15: to the ground, he went for my pistol, and as
• 24:43
  Speaker 15: soon he went for my pistol, in b the shop.
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: Where were you at in the vehicle?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: I was in?
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: The passenger said he was when.
• 24:49
  Speaker 15: The tussle happened, and whenever he went for the pistols,
• 24:52
  Speaker 15: whenever he ate per shop on the ground, getting my
• 24:56
  Speaker 15: ass beat and getting got damn there, got the pistol
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: take away from me.
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: That man got shot.
• 25:02
  Speaker 15: He sees Sierra, and I don't know what his intentions
• 25:08
  Speaker 15: were from what I've heard, abuse or whatever.
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: I know we were going to his house. I thought
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: we were going to do.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: With out a car right away. Tyler doesn't stick to
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the plan he rehearsed with his brother and instead confesses
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to the shooting, trying to frame it a self defense,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: believing it will protect both of them. However, in doing so,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: he ends up fully implicating his brother Eli. Whether intentionally
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: or not, remains to be seen, and while his explanation
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: may sound reasonable for now, the brothers have no idea
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that the gunshot pattern on Williams's body tells a very
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: different story, one that's not consistent with self defense but execution.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Do you know what the hole in his back tells me?
• 25:51
  Speaker 14: You know what's not in looking at the way that
• 25:55
  Speaker 14: that bullet hit his back is that he was already
• 25:58
  Speaker 14: laying face down.
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: When that round was see and I don't I whenever the.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: First round I cough, So that hole in his back?
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: You think that was the first round that him?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Or what do you?
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: I know my brother uses follow points and.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I know it was Nick Cole's Yeah, what was he saying?
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: He loves me?
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Even though Tyler doubles down on the self defense claim
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and seems regretful. The evidence gathered so far points to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a far more cold, deliberate violence rather than two frightened
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: kids defending themselves. Detective Decker knows this, and Tyler's tearful
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: explanations aren't convincing him otherwise, but instead of being confrontational,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Decker decides to simply let Tyler keep talking, allowing him
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to dig the hole deeper for himself and his brother scary.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Man to see it, just to see it, would never
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: imagine what do you think should happen to you?
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: I didn't want any of that to happen, and I did.
• 27:05
  Speaker 15: I never had attentions to she and I never tried
• 27:09
  Speaker 15: to cock the pistol back and shoot him with the pistol.
• 27:12
  Speaker 15: And I don't want to feel like a tell him,
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: but I don't know how any how he did. He
• 27:17
  Speaker 15: always had an interest in guns and ship, and we
• 27:20
  Speaker 15: always worried about him, and I guess I think today.
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: It was his day for him us.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: How did Eli seem after the whole ordeal?
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: He seems really fucked up.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Tyler is a complete mess, now, no longer acting, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: genuinely horrified by his brother's actions this morning after exhausting
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: everything Tyler can say about the murder, the detective shifts
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the conversation to the third person that was present during
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the shooting, Sierra Collins. Earlier, Sierra placed all the blame
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: on the brothers, insisting she had nothing to do with
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the murder, But that narrative is about to change.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: What was her take on seeing her? I guess boyfriend
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: or his boyfriend?
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: She Shanda had sheratt a noun emotion. It was shocking.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I didn't so no one knows it at all, not laughing,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: not crying.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: She did.
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: I know that it was.
• 28:28
  Speaker 15: That was her plant, and I don't know if she
• 28:31
  Speaker 15: was because she was outside whenever we pulled up. Because
• 28:33
  Speaker 15: she had asked you if you had shoot him before
• 28:36
  Speaker 15: all this happened, jokingly.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: Like that's a nice gun, would you shoot my ex boy?
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: Was all a joke until today.
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: I have a little bit of history with her in
• 28:47
  Speaker 14: different cases, and she's she can be a pretty persuasive girl.
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: I mean, if she straight up asked you to go
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: over there to shoot William, then you'd be straight with me.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: If that's what she said.
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: She told us about how der and did all these
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: bad things to her by who Sierra as she tried this.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Tyler outright accuses Sierra of tricking him and his brother
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: into murdering William. There's a chance he's saying this to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: protect himself and Eli, but the detective knows Sierra is
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: more than capable of manipulation. If Eli's story aligns with Tyler's,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: they may be able to implicate her and lessen their
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: own sentences. Now it's the brother's word against Sierra's, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: soon their mother, Tiffany will enter the mix, stepping into
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: what will become the worst day of her life. For now, though,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the detective wraps up his interview with Tyler, but instead
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of calling the brother's mother right away, he reaches out
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to someone he's already spoken with, Sierra. What she doesn't
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: know is that the investigators have already spent hours reviewing
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: messages on her phone, and they've uncovered far more involvement
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: than she ever admitted. When Sieraara arrives, she seems to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: sense it and immediately asks Detective Decker to turn off
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: his body cam, apparently forgetting about the camera in the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: interview room. What neither of them realizes is that this
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: will become the last known recording of Sierra Alive.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Do you know what happened? I know you know what happened,
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: But why do you think that happened? You don't have
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: to do it too.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't know.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Had they ever been to for how did they know anything?
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: So you know, none of this looks very good. Right
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Whenever you send text messages like.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: That to will and then proceed to go over to
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: his house, which you're always who are strapped?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: You and Williams.
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: Is a shot?
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Kind of seems like an orchestrated plan. Was mean these guys.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: These guys didn't know whifore.
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: They met until they got about Will team direct from you.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't hollow to Sierrah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Here's Whare's what I think?
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I think that that day that you had booke the
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: straight to friends go over there, but you were over
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: there for a purpose. Those boys had no ideas.
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: But I didn't go over to die.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: All the evidence that I have says that there was
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: something planned to go down there to do something.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: Why did you help him?
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Sierra continues to insist that Eli simply wanted to kill
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: someone and that she had nothing to do with it,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: but at this point, none of what she says matters.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Her phone is filled with incriminating messages she can't explain away.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And now not only is Sierra not getting her phone back,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: she's about to learn she's not walking out of this
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: interview room either. Her life as she knows it is over.
• 32:04
  Speaker 16: So Eli killed your best friend, got it down and
• 32:08
  Speaker 16: shining down.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: But you don't know what you can.
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: Do.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: You feel like you're to learn bringing of it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: I believe it's all that's what you're asking right now.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: I'm in the process of climbing for a long or
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: rest for Will's lead. Sierra.
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: I'm not saying that you are the one that went
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: on going to pull.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: To share, but some of your actions.
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: Directly the impacted where all that turned.
• 32:39
  Speaker 16: Out, Well, well, we can't bring Will back, Sierra. If
• 32:50
  Speaker 16: if it's my choice, you're gonna go to jail and you're.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Gonna be choshed.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Sierra, nothing can save her now. The interview
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: is concluded and Sierra is placed under arrest for murder.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Her breakdown at the end of the interview, however, hints
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: at a much darker twist awaiting her one no one
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: could have predicted. By now. Detective Decker decides it's time
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to speak with the person who allegedly pulled the trigger Eli,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: So he finally calls Eli's mother, Tiffany, asking her to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: come down to the station without explaining exactly why. Shocked
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to receive a call from the police at such an hour,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Tiffany arrives within minutes. When Decker goes outside to notify
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: her of the horrifying crime her sons are accused of.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Her reaction is strange, to say the least.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: So, I'm Detective Decker. I spoke with you on the phone.
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: When I went to talk to Eli. He wanted you
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: President Wave spoke with them. He didn't really explain why.
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: I mean, he's an adults, so normally we don't get
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: that from adults.
• 33:50
  Speaker 13: Severely.
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: I guess our sergeant came over and talked with you
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: and let you know that your boys have been in
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: a shooting.
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, wish I don't understand.
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: I win where out.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Clearly, Tiffany's reaction isn't what the officers expected from a
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: mother whose sons are accused of murder. The detective is
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: taking a big risk by allowing Tiffany to be present
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: during questioning. While her presence could encourage Eli to open up.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: It could just as easily shut him down or prompt
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: him to ask for a lawyer. For Detective Decker, the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: goal is to see how closely Eli's account aligns with
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Tyler's and to assess Sierra's true level of involvement. But
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: for Tiffany, she's here to find out whether her teenage
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: sons are truly heartless, cold blooded killers.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, so you feel comfortable to talk to me? Nil,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: he cool? So, just to be straight with you, the
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: reason that we're here today is in reference to William Johnson.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Do you know that name?
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: I have no clue who that is, no idea that, sir.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Clearly, Eli is sticking to the story he and his
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: brother concocted, completely unaware that just hours earlier, Tyler had
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: already given him up. Tiffany did mention that Eli is
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: severely dyslexic and considered disabled, so there's a chance he
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: isn't lying but genuinely unable to recall names. But Decker
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: is about to find out whether that's true or if
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: it's all an act.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: So, and you're you graduated high school?
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: Yes, sir?
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Is that easy?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: It was pretty difficult, especially with how COVID was and
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: then like computer, I was better learning in class than
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: over a laptop.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: He said, he didn't know that I have have you
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: ever heard the name before?
• 35:45
  Speaker 13: Will?
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, so have you heard of Will Johnson?
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: No?
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: No, sir, just Will Will? And who have you heard
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: that name from?
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: It?
• 35:52
  Speaker 13: Probably?
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: I don't know how to exactly see your name. It's
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: like see you.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: I just barely like recently met her through my tether
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: and they've been just like hanging out and stuff.
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: That's that's just all I know them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: What about the name Sierra, Just just the fact that
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I know her.
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: With my brother?
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: What did she all do today?
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: We just like hang out and watch TV and played
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: video games and stuff.
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: You didn't really do too much.
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: I was actually there today, if I might add, I
• 36:23
  Speaker 13: was there today and I can even tell you the
• 36:25
  Speaker 13: times that I was there and.
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: They were also there.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: What time did you leave?
• 36:30
  Speaker 13: So, Seria Serena, I don't want to see her name exactly.
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: She had gotten a call and.
• 36:36
  Speaker 13: She taught us that is a detective or something, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 13: you know, like Sierra her talk about her car, she.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: Had mentioned it being possibly strapped down or taken apart
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: and then strapped or something.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: But besides that, I don't know where.
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: Did she say where her car was?
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: No, I include where it is.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: It turns out Eli does know about Sierra, but he
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: doubles down on playing dumb, just as he and Tyler planned.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: At least for now, he's holding out longer than his brother.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Tiffany also seems to be backing up her son, reinforcing
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the very risk the detective anticipated when allowing her into
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the room. This is when the detective decides to ask
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Eli about his fascination with guns, something that will lead
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to an unexpected outcome, causing Eli to slip.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Do you have a driver's license?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: No?
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: I do not, but I've done some driving on my Xbox.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Do you own any guns?
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: I do, but I have it as a hobby.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I am not aggressive.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Do you want to know what I own?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I own?
• 37:39
  Speaker 13: The first gun that I did get was a twenty two.
• 37:42
  Speaker 13: It was a TCR, and then after that I got a.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Twelve gage Winchruster. It's the it's like a Cyst pump.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: I have my SAINK, which is an AR fifteen. I
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: got kind of pretty decked.
• 37:57
  Speaker 13: I'm really proud of it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: I just do it for hot and also for self.
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: Defense and home defense.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Do you own any handguns? I do.
• 38:06
  Speaker 13: I well, it's not my handgun, it's my parents handgun.
• 38:10
  Speaker 9: Why what kind is it? Why are you asking?
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just curious. Okay, it's.
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: Even have the what's the thing with the bullets in?
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: It's like a where you put the bullets in?
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: The one that you have is a revolver.
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: Yes?
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Does it have the cylinder in here?
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: As far as any something doesn't.
• 38:33
  Speaker 13: It's actually it's put away in their closet.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: Maybe it hasn't had this cylinder in it for a year.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: Sister.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Do you have any that are broken?
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: I do.
• 38:41
  Speaker 13: I have a little bit on the bottom of it
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: is broken.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you have the trigger guard? Yeah?
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: How did that got How did that get broke?
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: I had dropped it getting out.
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: Of the car or something.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: The detective notices how quickly Alion sitsts he isn't aggressive.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Strange thing to impass eyes unless you know you're being
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: accused of something serious. So he plans to press Eli
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: on that point, prompting Eli's mother to jump in and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: defend him.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: He said's like that kind of struck me weird.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: A minute ago, Eli, when I asked you about guns.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: You said you had him, but that you're not aggressive.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Why did you feel like that was important to tell me?
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: It's just something through.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: All the time.
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: You know, he's a very timid guy. He's actually been abused.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: And bullied all of his life, and so he's always
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: like wanted to have again for protection.
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: All of his life.
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: I'm trying to preventify it, then provoke a fight, you
• 39:39
  Speaker 13: know what I mean.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I got zero tolerance for bullie, So I completely understand
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: you're feeling.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: For a long time, I seriously bullied.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: The detective believes Tyler and Sierra likely put Eli in
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: this position and knew he was going to shoot William,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: despite their claims to the contrary. But just as Decker
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: builds some rapport with Eli, he shifts gears completely and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: confronts him with his brother's confession.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Was Tyler and he fights today? So I already know.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I already know, I already Eli, I already know that
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: means yes, who was who was he in a fight with?
• 40:13
  Speaker 13: Can I tell the full story?
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: I would love the full story, okay, because I feel
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: like I'm trying to probe inside of you. I'm sorry,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: and I and I know Eli know that you know
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: why you're here and why I'm talking to you.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: Protect yourself, Tom, and tell the truth.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: It seems the pressure is working, and Eli decides to
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: tell the truth. Though his mother encourages him to cooperate,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: she has no idea that what she's about to hear
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: will change their lives forever.
• 40:41
  Speaker 13: Will.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: It kept on calling and she had to fear him
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: either pulling up on her because she had mentioned him
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: about far up and learn a number of different things.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: We had went over to get his phone. I told
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: her like, I don't know that we're gonna come and
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: get the phone, is to get the personal adems off
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: of it. And as soon as we had pulled up,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: he had stuck his head out the door and was
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: already just screaming things. And he had come out in
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: the front yard. And what's he gonna do, you know,
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Break Winsfield, like, what's his next move? So I got
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: out of my car with my rifle and told him
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: is to stop quit approaching, stay where you are, stop moving.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: My brother got out of the car and Will had
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: hit my brother and somehow my brother got this gash
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: on the side of his head. They both fell over
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: and because my brother he'd had a He had gone
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: out a revolver, the revolver that we were talking about.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know why he had it, but I noticed
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: that he had dropped it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 13: Will was going for the revolver.
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: So I shot Will and.
• 41:47
  Speaker 13: We were super striking about it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: So but in my.
• 41:51
  Speaker 13: Defense, I didn't want Will to kill my brother. I
• 41:55
  Speaker 13: didn't want Will It to get the gun.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Which I don't have intentions of killing him. I just
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: wanted to get to leave.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: By turned physical and I felt I had a shoe
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Wills to make sure my brother dart Her.
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: Is he all right?
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: No, No, he's dead.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: Oh my god, Eli.
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: Things I mean, I don't want.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: To kill him.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Eli breaks down and begins recounting what happened. With each sentence.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Tiffany struggles to listen as her son describes how he
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: committed murder, something no mother ever wants to hear. But
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: even as this tragedy unfolds before her eyes, she clings
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to the hope that her son's acted only in self defense.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: That's a belief the detective is about to challenge.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I already talked to Tyler. He told me he never
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: lost possession of the hanggun. He maintained it in his
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: grip the entire time he was here.
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: Okay, you never dropped the gun or anything.
• 43:03
  Speaker 13: No, well, I'd assume him at.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: That point Will was gonna pry a gun on his
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: hands because they're both on the ground.
• 43:11
  Speaker 13: One of them's not a gun. That's one of those
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: easily even accidental guns.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: It's like like like a clock. So look, Eli, here's
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: here's the problem that we're gonna run into.
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: Okay, so.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: You and Tyler went over there, but he went over
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: there with guns.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: For self protection, for protection of myself, because she hadn't
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: even already mentioned that he was.
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: He had kidnapped her, and he had beat her, so
• 43:39
  Speaker 13: I wasn't looking forward to getting.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Beat So he went over there to teach Will a lesson.
• 43:44
  Speaker 13: No, I didn't want to go over there and kill Bill.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: But you wanted to teach him a lesson.
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: Why would I wanted to teach him a lesson?
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: I just find it tasty.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Sierra any beat her, He had nude photos of her.
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: That's her personal business.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: I don't like girls.
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: They obviously she gave him the address.
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: His knee came this directly there.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: If somebody's attacking me doing physical harm to me or
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: my loved ones.
• 44:08
  Speaker 13: Then I may do something about it. He had pulled
• 44:11
  Speaker 13: out the phone as if he was going to pull.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Out a gun, but I had actually waited for him
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: to see what he was going to pull out before
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: doing anything.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Crazier, where did he pull it out from?
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: Can I get up to do an example of how
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: he did this?
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Kinsle?
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: So he come out and went like this and then
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: went and pulled out his phone all crazy, and it
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: was like acting all stupid with it.
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: And that's whenever Tyler ended up on the ground, he
• 44:38
  Speaker 13: had hit him and aside the head of the phone,
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: and Tyler.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Just left him.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Had you taken any any handgun courses, any like self
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: protection courses?
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Any was a lot of training on my own time
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: that like I'll watch YouTube videos on my and just
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: learned from the YouTube.
• 44:56
  Speaker 13: There's a number of different gun tiptuckers that I've learned
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: from my there.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Eli only digs himself deeper when he admits he learned
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: gun handling from YouTube and TikTok. And this is exactly
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: where the risk of allowing his mother into the room starts.
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: To show what you said, Do you really think you
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: should keep talking or do you.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Want to an attorney?
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: I'll do what you want.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: I'm just going in given what you said, I don't
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: know that you should keep talking without giving the advice
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: of a attorney.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: So, Eli, at this point, the only thing that I'm
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: after at this point is I'm trying to figure out.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Of like when you can and when you cannot.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Watch I've watched a lot of body cam videos on YouTube,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: police officers and stuff.
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: Some of them you should start, all right, I'm gonna stop.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: What do you mean You're gonna stop?
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: I think given the situation, he should probably have an
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: attorney present, and that's completely fippy in.
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: I'm like, whatever she wants.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: So what do you want? Is that an attorney? Cool?
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: We're done.
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: You can't.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: You let that girl take you there?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: With an attorney requested and the interview shut down. Tiffany
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: hugs her son once more, likely realizing this maybe the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: last time she gets to do so. Having now interviewed
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: both brothers, the detective has made up his mind about them.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: He steps outside and tells Tiffany what he really thinks
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: about Eli.
• 46:24
  Speaker 14: Art.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: He's the one when I talk to Tyler, Tyler, is
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: it nice? Eli has He's got a different attitude. It's
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: almost like he doesn't care.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: I've watched these two protect each other. Tyler used to
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: watch Eli get bullied and watching Hippy with his whole computer.
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: Can I ask you anything is high and Hare?
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: Can I see him?
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Give me just a minute. I just want to give
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: him a hug, tell him goodbye.
• 46:59
  Speaker 13: As any.
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: That's thank God. I love you very much, no matter
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: where you are.
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: Love you.
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: For her, I love you.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: After giving her sons one final goodbye, Tiffany leaves the
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: police station, still believing they were nothing more than pawns
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: in a sadistic scheme, insisting Sierra alone should be held responsible.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: The next morning, a judge approves the murder charges against Sierra,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: while the brother's charges remain pending. At the same time,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Tyler asks to speak with the detective again, wanting to
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: know what charges he and his brother might face. For Tyler,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: this is his last chance to shift the narrative in
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: both his and Eli's favor and influence how police view
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: their roles in the killing. But for Detective Decker, it's
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to strengthen the case against all three suspects acts. However,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: when he sits down with Tyler for one last time.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: He begins to wonder whether Tiffany might have been right,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that maybe her sons aren't the monsters everyone assumed.
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: All right, what what did you want to talk about today?
• 48:15
  Speaker 11: Tyler's love tell you that we were setting up, that
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: we didn't know where we were going, that we were
• 48:22
  Speaker 11: gonna go see your car. And that's as far as
• 48:26
  Speaker 11: my understanding was.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: What do you mean you were set up?
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: I feel like I was set up. I feel like
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: I was driving to the house. I feel like I
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: was used from.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: Me with she A sold me.
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: She wanted to him Dad, and I said, I'm not
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: the guy forty.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: I never offered.
• 48:45
  Speaker 13: I never said anyone kills by fort.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Dad. So Tyler, I don't love me, So I'll tell
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: you what I murdered. I tell you right now. I
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: don't disagree that you may have been set up.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Tyler maintains his self defense story. However, this time he's
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: far more adamant about Sierra's role and everything that happened.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: But there's something else Tyler wanted to speak to detectives
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: for that he didn't mention up front. Earlier, Tyler was
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: allowed a brief moment with his brother Eli, giving the
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: two just enough time to compare what they told police. Now,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Tyler has figured out the one major inconsistency between their stories,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: something he believes will help their case.
• 49:26
  Speaker 9: I just I want to talk to you guys. I
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: didn't have to full control over that weapon, over which weapon.
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: That's funny too, I do believe I thro opted.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: So I asked you yesterday if I had a full
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: control over the weapon, and just.
• 49:43
  Speaker 9: Think I did.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: And then I even double checked again. I asked you, if, sir,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: you do, I asked, and I said, so, I was
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: stayed in your hand the whole time, and you were
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: absolutely sure it was.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: In your hand.
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: And that was a pride. That was my pride.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: So how did you get the gun back in your
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: hands and went back and picked it up? Me?
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: He went back and found it.
• 50:05
  Speaker 15: Well like whenever I was knowing to go get the car,
• 50:09
  Speaker 15: I turned around and said, we're again, and I went
• 50:12
  Speaker 15: and grab you and put it up.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: So you understand that there's independent witnesses. This is what happened, right, Tyler,
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be honest with you.
• 50:24
  Speaker 14: It seems like at this point that you've had some
• 50:28
  Speaker 14: time to think about Mohammad not only what happened, but.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Maybe some things you could tell us to try to
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: preserve yourself.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: This was Tyler's last desperate attempt to pull himself and
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: his brother out of trouble. The detective Decker quickly realizes
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: what Tyler really wants from this interview to protect Eli
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: and salvage whatever future they have left, so he decignes
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: to give Tyler the hard truth he's been avoiding.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: What you're having a.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Really hard time with right now is that brother Bond.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: I've got to I've got an older one and I've
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: got a younger, and I'm in the middle of k
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: and that's what That's what's really troubling you right now
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: is it's your brother and your brother.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Your brother murdered somebody and you've helped and you helped
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: And I think that is your biggest problem, your biggest
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: your biggest fear right now is.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: That you have You've made things pretty rough for your brother.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: I know, I know what brother love is, and I've
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: got them.
• 51:30
  Speaker 14: There's a lot of things, there's a lot of things
• 51:34
  Speaker 14: that I would do for my brothers in a snap
• 51:38
  Speaker 14: of a being.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: You do got a long road.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Ahead of those, So you can hear the empathy and
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Detective Decker's voice. You know Sierra manipulated the brothers, but
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that doesn't change the facts that the Chaffins went to
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: William's house on their own accord. Following this, Detective Decker
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: wraps up the interview with Tyler and proceeds with murder
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: charges against all three. As the case moves forward, Tiffany
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: never stops supporting her sons. She stays in contact with
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: both boys, hoping the truth will help them find a
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: way out of this. Jail calls capture a brief glimpse
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: into a mother caught between the children she's raised and
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: the reality of what they've done. Yeah, I've been trying
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: to video Eli for the last thirty minutes, but you'll
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: get into that one, so for.
• 52:20
  Speaker 13: Real, Hey Mom, Hey, what you're doing?
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: Not much?
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: We only have a few minutes. I bet they'll cut
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: us off at night.
• 52:29
  Speaker 13: But do all right?
• 52:30
  Speaker 12: Did I wake you up?
• 52:32
  Speaker 9: No?
• 52:32
  Speaker 12: I'm doing pretty good.
• 52:34
  Speaker 13: I'm just hanging out.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: It's fun here sometimes, but I like, honestly, I don't
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: think I've laughed as hard as.
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: I have in here.
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: Just listening to some of the bullshit, that's good I
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: like to hear that.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I like to hear that.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: I really love you guys, and.
• 52:48
  Speaker 13: I really love all the the support, and I really
• 52:52
  Speaker 13: appreciate all the help.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it if I didn't know what a
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: good boy you were.
• 52:58
  Speaker 9: Oh I know, Oh I know. I love you, So
• 53:03
  Speaker 9: you've get it.
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: Good night, I'll see you tomorrow.
• 53:07
  Speaker 13: I'll see tomorrow too. Goodbye, bye, Mama.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Tiffany would go on to support her sons until the
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: very end, but as the trial date approached, one of
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the trios lives came to an abrupt end. In September
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, while being held at the San Juan
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: County Detention Center, Sierra suffered a severe medical emergency. The
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: detention center could not provide the level of care required
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: to sustain her life, and she was transferred to the
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Regional Medical Center with limited brain function, where she died
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: shortly afterwards. In July twenty twenty four, both Chafin brothers
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: entered plea agreements. Eli pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter, while
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Tyler pleaded no contest to second degree murder and felon
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in possession of a firearm. Eli was sentenced to six
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: years in prison followed by two years of parole, while
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: his older brother Tyler received fifteen years in prison, also
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: followed by two years of parole.