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Madman tortures 5-year-old and his grandparents before brutal triple murder(MP3_160K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hansen right now on Crime March Daily.
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  Speaker 2: From here in New York, a seemingly ordinary suburban home
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  Speaker 2: becomes a house of horror. It was just so sickening,
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  Speaker 2: a chilling triple homicide.
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  Speaker 3: There was blood all over the walls.
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  Speaker 4: There was a.
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  Speaker 3: Little panprint as if a little boy was being kind
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  Speaker 3: of dragged along.
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  Speaker 1: An angelic five year old boy sleeping over and his grandparents.
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  Speaker 5: He always wanted to hang out with Grandma.
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  Speaker 1: All three are savagely murdered. The evidence grotesque.
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  Speaker 3: Adult diapers, the two long blonde women's wigs, prosthetic breasts.
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  Speaker 1: Who would commit such an evil cron as our Ana
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  Speaker 1: Garcia uncovers, it's a madman.
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  Speaker 4: With an unbelievable motive.
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  Speaker 6: This is a very tangled relationship he.
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  Speaker 3: Had let simmer for years.
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  Speaker 1: Then an All American high school football star goes off
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  Speaker 1: to his freshman year in college and comes home with
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  Speaker 1: a different person.
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  Speaker 7: It was very weird because he's never been like that
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  Speaker 7: around you.
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  Speaker 1: And then he vanishes into thin air.
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  Speaker 8: It all starts here with three bizarre nine one one calls.
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  Speaker 1: Did Logan Shittelman run away? Or is this Paul play?
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  Speaker 1: Crime Watch Daily? Is Jason Matterra goes searching for clues.
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  Speaker 9: Don't take it as my accusing you of anything.
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  Speaker 1: Right now.
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  Speaker 6: Andrea isisam Ser with Crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 8: Jason Mataro with Crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 10: This I'm Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 11: I'm here with Crimewatch and Michelle from Crimewatch Daily.
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  Speaker 6: Anagarcia from Crimewatch is crime Watch Dale.
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  Speaker 8: Stay off my We'll find you again.
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  Speaker 12: We always do.
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  Speaker 13: So.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Crime Watch Daily. I'm Chris Hansen. You're watching
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  Speaker 1: night vision video shot from a helicopter as cops track
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  Speaker 1: down a very dangerous suspect hiding in the thick brush.
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  Speaker 1: And how did we get to this point? Our Ana
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  Speaker 1: Garcia rewinds.
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  Speaker 6: To the start inside this quaint house, nestled on a
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  Speaker 6: quiet street, a scene so grisly.
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  Speaker 3: It was just so sickening, so gruesome.
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  Speaker 6: It defies comprehension.
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  Speaker 3: No one will believe this could happen, and yet it did.
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  Speaker 6: A murder case that gripped nation.
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  Speaker 3: The entire country has reacted with.
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  Speaker 6: Horror headlines around the world. How would you describe this crime?
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  Speaker 3: Very sad, kind of makes you lose your faith in
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  Speaker 3: the good of humanity.
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  Speaker 6: Jennifer O'Brien, a busy mom with three young boys, went
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  Speaker 6: to pick up her five year old son Nathan from
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  Speaker 6: his grandparents' house.
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  Speaker 5: He always wanted to hang out with Grandma or sleep
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  Speaker 5: over at grandma's house, and they had a lot of
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  Speaker 5: fun together.
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  Speaker 6: But when Jennifer arrives, she stumbles upon an odd scene.
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  Speaker 6: The front door is already open. As she walks in,
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  Speaker 6: she's hit first with the smell of death, and then
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  Speaker 6: pools of blood everywhere and no sign of her parents
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  Speaker 6: or son.
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  Speaker 3: There was blood all over the beds, on the walls,
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  Speaker 3: on the floor, there were bloody footprints. In the hallway,
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  Speaker 3: there was drag marks.
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  Speaker 6: And the most heartbreaking sight imprinted on a wall.
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  Speaker 3: There was a little handprint on the way out, as
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  Speaker 3: if a little boy was being kind of dragged along
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  Speaker 3: and had put his hand against the wall to brace himself.
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  Speaker 6: Bill Graveland of the Canadian Press says, a hysterical Jennifer
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  Speaker 6: calls the cops, telling them, I think my family has
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  Speaker 6: been killed.
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  Speaker 14: She must have been terrified.
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  Speaker 3: They told her to stay in her car with the
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  Speaker 3: door lock because they were afraid that there potentially might
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  Speaker 3: be someone still in the house.
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  Speaker 6: Cops burst into the gruesome scene and feverishly searched the house,
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  Speaker 6: but no bodies are found. The grandparents and little Nathan
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  Speaker 6: are missing.
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  Speaker 3: I think police were hoping that they were had been
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  Speaker 3: kidnapped and were being held somewhere.
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  Speaker 6: At the scene. There is not one shred of DNA found,
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  Speaker 6: not one fingerprint from a potential killer. Cops immediately issue
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  Speaker 6: an amber alert in hopes of locating the family.
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  Speaker 10: I know, Grandma's holding you so tightly right now and
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  Speaker 10: taking care of you, and they are doing everything in
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  Speaker 10: their power to keep you safe.
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  Speaker 6: What a police first think?
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people thought some out of a custody
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  Speaker 3: deal and perhaps the grandparents had grabbed the little guy
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  Speaker 3: and taken off.
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  Speaker 6: Hundreds of police searched relentlessly, but with no sign of
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  Speaker 6: Nathan and his grandparents. They eventually circled back to the
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  Speaker 6: scene of the massacre, holding on to any sliver of
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  Speaker 6: hope to locate the five year old alive.
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  Speaker 3: They'd hope that maybe he saw the violence and had
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  Speaker 3: hidden somewhere, so they went through all the closets, under
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  Speaker 3: the beds, anywhere that anyone could hide.
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  Speaker 4: He wasn't there.
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  Speaker 6: Nathan O'Brien, an adorable, blonde, mop topped boy, the spirited
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  Speaker 6: middle child of three brothers in the close knit O'Brien clan.
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  Speaker 15: This isn't like Fairytale Paradise, yea.
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  Speaker 13: Every fairy tale.
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  Speaker 6: As he loved superheroes, Nathan you made friends wherever he went.
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  Speaker 5: He'd go and knock another kid's doors. We didn't know
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  Speaker 5: the parents and get the kid. It's all coming out
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  Speaker 5: to play. Even though he didn't know them, and all
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  Speaker 5: of them turned out to be his best.
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  Speaker 6: Friend and was the apple of his grandparents' eyes.
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  Speaker 11: My mom would show up at the door, Nathan would run,
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  Speaker 11: literally run to her and hug her and love her,
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  Speaker 11: and they were just so bonded.
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  Speaker 6: The grandparents, Alvin and Kathy Licknis, were the glue that
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  Speaker 6: held the family together.
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  Speaker 11: My mom was my best friend, and she was just
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  Speaker 11: a very caring, loving mother who made a home for
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  Speaker 11: all of us. My dad was an entrepreneur who was
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  Speaker 11: always trying to start up business and be successful, and he.
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  Speaker 6: Was Alvin and Kathy were about to start a new
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  Speaker 6: chapter in their lives retirement. On the day they disappeared,
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  Speaker 6: they were having an estate sale, downsizing after buying a
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  Speaker 6: new home in Edmonton.
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  Speaker 3: They were planning on movie the next week. I mean
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  Speaker 3: they were getting rid of all their extra belongings. They
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  Speaker 3: were going to spread their winters down in Mosetland.
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  Speaker 6: They bought a conto down there, but the vision of
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  Speaker 6: the couple enjoying their golden years basking in the warm
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  Speaker 6: Mexican sun quickly turned cold and dark.
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  Speaker 3: The police went on for a couple of weeks where
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  Speaker 3: they were still hoping that they might find them held
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  Speaker 3: somewhere and that perhaps the injuries they had sustained in
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  Speaker 3: the home weren't fatal.
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  Speaker 6: But as the days ticked by, that hope dwindled.
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  Speaker 3: They searched for a couple of weeks looking for them
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  Speaker 3: and never found any.
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  Speaker 6: Bodies, and it became very obvious this was no abduction,
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  Speaker 6: more like a triple murder with a violent killer still
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  Speaker 6: on the loose.
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  Speaker 3: Police had a number of news conferences finally told us
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  Speaker 3: that a violent assault had happened in the home.
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  Speaker 6: Up next, cops go on the hunt soon discovered chilling
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  Speaker 6: clues at a rural farm.
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  Speaker 3: Pictures of men and women the restrained, perhaps killed, wearing
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  Speaker 3: adult diapers.
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  Speaker 6: Macabb detail straight out of a horror movie. Will the
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  Speaker 6: scary stash lead cops to the bodies of Nathan and
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  Speaker 6: his grandparents.
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  Speaker 1: A woman heads over to her parents' house to pick
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  Speaker 1: up her five year old son. However, when she arrives,
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  Speaker 1: they're all gone, and when she walks around inside the house,
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  Speaker 1: she makes a frightening discovery. Blood is everywhere. Anna Garcia
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  Speaker 1: is back now with more stand up.
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  Speaker 6: Nathan O'Brien, a beautiful five year old boy with the
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  Speaker 6: face of an angel, seen here on home video celebrating
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  Speaker 6: his birthday in his favorite superhero costume, Nathan, how do
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  Speaker 6: you Day?
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  Speaker 5: But his fifth.
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  Speaker 6: Birthday be his last. Nathan has gone missing, and so
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  Speaker 6: have his grandparents. The trio disappeared after Nathan had a
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  Speaker 6: sleepover at their house.
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  Speaker 15: All that was left.
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  Speaker 6: A home awash in blood and too many questions.
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  Speaker 3: I think police were hoping that they had been kidnapped
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  Speaker 3: and were being held somewhere.
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  Speaker 10: Nathan, I need you to hear my voice right now,
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  Speaker 10: and I need you to know that Mommy and Daddy
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  Speaker 10: love you more than anything in this world. We know
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  Speaker 10: you are a superhero, and I just need you to
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  Speaker 10: stay strong and you're going to see you.
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  Speaker 6: An amber alert doesn't yield results, but within days, over
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  Speaker 6: thirteen hundred tips pour in, so many that it crashed
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  Speaker 6: the police department's computer system. Cops analyze hundreds of hours
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  Speaker 6: of surveillance tape than something suspicious catches their eye.
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  Speaker 3: They went to all these homes in the neighborhood and
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  Speaker 3: they found this green like mid seventies Ford f one
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  Speaker 3: fifty truck, very distinctive looking.
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  Speaker 6: Police release a flyer with a picture of the green
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  Speaker 6: pickup spotted on the grandparents street the night they disappeared,
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  Speaker 6: and it wasn't long before cops get a call from
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  Speaker 6: a woman who said she recognized the truck. It belonged
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  Speaker 6: to her brother, so the sister turned him in.
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  Speaker 4: She did.
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  Speaker 6: The owner of that truck is a man named Doug
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  Speaker 6: Garland and police now want to talk to him. They
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  Speaker 6: nab him at a traffic stop and hold him in
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  Speaker 6: jail on a previous false identity charge.
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  Speaker 3: He was always very quiet and didn't reveal anything to
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  Speaker 3: the police.
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  Speaker 6: Meanwhile, Canadian Mounties stormed the forty acre farm where Garland
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  Speaker 6: lives with his elderly parents on an emergency hostage rescue,
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  Speaker 6: but no one was found, either alive or dead, but
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  Speaker 6: there was something. One of the first things they noticed
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  Speaker 6: a burn barrel smoldering near the greenhouse. Inside the tank,
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  Speaker 6: nothing but ash.
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  Speaker 3: There's no blood, there's no sign of any evidence.
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  Speaker 6: Back at police headquarters, Garland is released on bail and
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  Speaker 6: given strict instructions not to go back to the farm.
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  Speaker 6: In the meantime, cops secure a warrant and scour every
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  Speaker 6: inch of the sprawling property. What they find is bone chilling.
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  Speaker 6: Hidden away in basement rafters, police find a computer hard drive,
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  Speaker 6: and that's.
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  Speaker 3: When all the house of horror stuff starts coming out.
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  Speaker 6: On that hard drive reams of painstaking research on gruesome
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  Speaker 6: and violent topics.
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  Speaker 3: He downloaded a bunch of things, things like attack your
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  Speaker 3: victims at like three and o'clock in the morning, that
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  Speaker 3: the element of surprise, painful ways to torture.
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  Speaker 6: Cops say. The hard drive was also littered with images
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  Speaker 6: of his alleged sexual obsessions.
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  Speaker 14: What's the fetish part, Well, he had quite a fetish
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  Speaker 14: about adult diapers, and there were a number of pictures
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  Speaker 14: of men and women being restrained, perhaps killed, wearing adult diapers.
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  Speaker 6: Every inch of the place was searched, including the basement
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  Speaker 6: office with a library of the macabre. Garland also had
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  Speaker 6: some books anything there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, one was a book on how to poison people.
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  Speaker 3: Another one was called The Joy of killing.
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  Speaker 6: And also in the basement a cross dresser's fantasy, the.
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  Speaker 3: Set of prosthetic breasts, the two long blonde women's wigs
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  Speaker 3: that were on these mannequin heads.
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  Speaker 6: Racks of women's clothing in Garland's size, and a vast
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  Speaker 6: collection of shoes. He had how many pairs of shoes
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  Speaker 6: eighty nine pairs men and women, And in his eyes,
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  Speaker 6: and curiously in the closet, an empty shoe box, but
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  Speaker 6: missing from that box a pair of size thirteen doctor
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  Speaker 6: shol Tennis shoes. Then cops seized boxes filled with weapons, handcuffs,
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  Speaker 6: some in a child's size, hack saw blades, leather straps,
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  Speaker 6: bone saws, knives, guns, and a straight jacket. But what
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  Speaker 6: investigators don't find bodies?
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  Speaker 3: I mean the police went on their hands and knees,
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  Speaker 3: elbow to elbow, going through the grass, through that entire acreature.
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  Speaker 6: But of all the disturbing clues, one stood out, the
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  Speaker 6: smoldering burn barrel. Cops had noticed it during the first
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  Speaker 6: search of the farm. This time investigators take a closer look.
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  Speaker 3: They went through everything, sifting sifteen sifting, sifting kind of
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  Speaker 3: like gold mining, almost where they go layer by layer
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  Speaker 3: by layer.
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  Speaker 6: Panning yeah, and through the ashes they find a baby tooth.
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  Speaker 3: They found the burnt flesh and a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: bone fragments in the embers of the burning barrel.
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  Speaker 6: Was Doug Garland a sadistic killer? And why would he
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  Speaker 6: want to murder a precious child and his grandparents.
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  Speaker 3: Because of their past history.
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  Speaker 6: Not long after collecting evidence, cop soon learned that Garland
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  Speaker 6: is no stranger to Alvin and Kathy Licknus. They actually
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  Speaker 6: had a layered and complex relationship that went back years.
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  Speaker 6: So this is a very tangled relationship.
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  Speaker 3: It was just a very strange set of circumstances on
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  Speaker 3: how they actually all became acquainted.
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  Speaker 6: Garland's sister, Patty, the one who reported the truck, is
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  Speaker 6: married to Licknus, his son. But the detail that sparked
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  Speaker 6: Copp's interest, Alvin, a successful entrepreneur, employed Garland years before.
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  Speaker 3: Patty's husband had suggested that when Alvin Lickness was looking
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  Speaker 3: for someone to work with that Doug would be possibly
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  Speaker 3: a good choice because you know, he had some education,
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  Speaker 3: and he was fairly handy, and he wasn't doing anything.
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  Speaker 6: The two men worked on a pump invention together, but
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  Speaker 6: the project never went anywhere. And Licknus eventually fired Garland.
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  Speaker 3: They had worked together on building a pump for the
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  Speaker 3: oil and gas sector, but the brains was Alvin Lickness
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  Speaker 3: and it was his invention. It never made a penny,
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  Speaker 3: it never got used, but apparently Doug Garland was angry
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  Speaker 3: and bitter over it for years.
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  Speaker 6: Bitter enough for murder. While mountains of incriminating evidence are
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  Speaker 6: tiling up and more intel on Garland's history with the couple,
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  Speaker 6: cops are keeping a close eye on the fifty seven
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  Speaker 6: year old, following his every move. Here he is hold
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  Speaker 6: on surveillance camera at an autoparts store buying what looks
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  Speaker 6: like circular saw blades. Police are especially interested in what
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  Speaker 6: he's wearing. Look closely on his feet. The same Doctor
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  Speaker 6: Scholes missing from the shoe box. Do they match blood
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  Speaker 6: soaked prints found the grandparents' home.
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  Speaker 3: They actually have a shoe database federally in Canada. They
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  Speaker 3: matched it to a doctor Schules running shoe and they
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  Speaker 3: were able to trace it to a certain style.
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  Speaker 6: Next up, police make their move.
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  Speaker 3: The police were looking for him, but.
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  Speaker 6: Doug Garland gives cops the slip. A mysterious triple murder
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  Speaker 6: of an angelic five year old boy and his grandparents.
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  Speaker 6: Leads cops to a rural farm where sickening clues point
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  Speaker 6: in the direction of a depraved madman. He sounds like
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  Speaker 6: the guy in the basement who's still living with his parents,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and.
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  Speaker 3: They always say highly intelligent, which he obviously was a loaner,
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  Speaker 3: no friends.
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  Speaker 6: Even though no bodies are ever found. With fourteen hundred
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  Speaker 6: pieces of the most grotesque evidence imaginable, cops have enough
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  Speaker 6: to make their move. But so did the alleged killer.
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  Speaker 6: Did Doug go on the run? Was he a fugitive
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  Speaker 6: at any time?
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  Speaker 3: He was?
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  Speaker 6: Investigators had Doug Garland under surveillance after their first search
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  Speaker 6: of his property. Then, two weeks after Nathan and his
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  Speaker 6: grandparents disappear, cops catch Garland trying to sneak back on
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  Speaker 6: the farm where he lived.
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  Speaker 3: Belief was he was trying to get rid of maybe
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  Speaker 3: a little more evidence.
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  Speaker 6: The sadist didn't get far, as you can see on
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  Speaker 6: this police infrared camera.
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  Speaker 3: They cornered him because the helicopter could see him, and
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  Speaker 3: he finally surrendered. They told him, you know, don't make
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  Speaker 3: ys evening any worse than it already, and he came
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  Speaker 3: out and laid down on the grass and they handcuffed him.
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  Speaker 6: The man who police believed brutally murdered Kathy and Alvin
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  Speaker 6: Lickness and their beloved grandson, Nathan, finally gets what's coming
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  Speaker 6: to him.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much evidence here that a movie of the
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  Speaker 3: week would not buy it.
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  Speaker 6: Despite that, Garland pleaded not guilty to three murder charges,
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: the sensational five week long trial transfixed a spellbound nation.
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  Speaker 6: The community was just gripped by this.
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  Speaker 3: The public was watching this like I've never seen them
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  Speaker 3: watch another criminal trial right across the country.
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  Speaker 6: In opening statements, prosecutors told the three women, nine man
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  Speaker 6: jury that Garland held a year's long grudge against Alvin
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  Speaker 6: Lickness over a patent for a pump.
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  Speaker 3: He had let simmer for years, and then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: years later, he finally acted on it.
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  Speaker 6: On the day they disappeared, Alvin and Kathy were having
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  Speaker 6: an estate sale since they were planning to move and
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  Speaker 6: wanted to downsize. So Garland put his sordid plan into action.
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  Speaker 6: So if he was going to get them, he had
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  Speaker 6: to get them soon did They left exactly the first
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  Speaker 6: step breaking into the couple's home.
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  Speaker 3: It appeared mister Garland had drilled a hole in one
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  Speaker 3: of the locks.
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  Speaker 6: The murderous timeline unfolded from there. Once in the house,
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  Speaker 6: Garland preyed on his victims. According to his meticulous and
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  Speaker 6: obsessive research, three am was the best time to attack.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Garland went into Alvin Lickness's bedroom and bludgeoned him.
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  Speaker 3: Then he went to the next room where Kathy Lickness
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  Speaker 3: was sleeping with her grandson.
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  Speaker 6: And was Nathan, the little five year old, just collateral
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  Speaker 6: damage or do you think he was also a target?
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe he was a target, but he decided
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  Speaker 3: that he didn't want to leave anyone.
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  Speaker 6: Forensic experts believe the family was alive when Garland dragged
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  Speaker 6: them from the home and shoved them in the truck.
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  Speaker 3: They got pictures of what appeared to be white sheet
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  Speaker 3: going in the back of the truck, and police believe
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  Speaker 3: that's where the bodies of the three were.
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  Speaker 6: Shockingly, even with all the bloodshed, none of Garland's DNA
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  Speaker 6: was ever detected at the house. How do you think
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  Speaker 6: it's possible that Doug Garland was able to do so
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  Speaker 6: much damage in that house yet not leave a shred
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  Speaker 6: of DNA?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Well, He did a lot of research on how to
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: not leave DNA evidence. There were a number of these
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: white suits that the forensic people wear the and you
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: see them on TV shows. They believed that he was
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: wearing those.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: Then Garland drove about twenty miles to his parents' rural farm,
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: where unspeakable horrors awaited. Nathan and his grandparents' DNA were
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: found on instruments of torture like meat hook's, bone, saws
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: and knives. Where was the meat hook found and what
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: evidence was on that?
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: They found Kathy Lickness's DNA on that, They found Alvin
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Lickness and Nathan O'Brien's DNA on the meat saw, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: they found DNA from all three victims on the outside
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: of a pair of rubber boots.
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: But even with mountains of blood and fragment evidence, no
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: bodies were ever found.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: There was nobody that.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Saw Doug Garland kill them, and they don't even have
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: a cause of death on these people.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Incredibly, Garland's elderly mother took the stand against her son,
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: testifying that she didn't hear him leave home the morning
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: the three disappeared.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: She actually had found out they were missing, mentioned it
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: to him and he says, I don't want to talk
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: about that. Well, he already knew.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: Perhaps One of the most disturbing images presented at trial
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: pictures captured completely by chance by a mapping plane which
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: flew over Garland's property the day after the family disappeared.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: The fellow who took the photos. He can see what
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: appears to be two headless torsos of adults, looks like
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: they're laying face down wearing diapers, and as small figure
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: in the grass next to them, which is they believe
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: was Nathan O'Brien, right by the burning barrel.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: But in this case the dead speak volumes.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: There were no bodies, only tiny little.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: Pieces, the only proof of their existence on the planet
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: buried in the ashes left behind in the burn barrel.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: That where they found one small piece of flesh which
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: could have belonged to Alvin likeness. Bone fragments were from
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: a five year old boy. So he burned everybody apparently
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: chopped him up and it looks likened and then burned
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: the bodies just cremated him.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: While the gruesome details of the heinous crimes unfold in court,
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: Doug Garland appeared unfazed.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: He sat through the first round of hearings and the
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: second taking notes. We never heard a denial. We never
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: heard I'm sorry.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: None of the victims' families took the stand, but Nathan's
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: dad's written words reverberated through the courtroom.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Rot O'Brien, when he did a victim impact statement, basically
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: said that I didn't even have enough of my son
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: to bury. There was not enough left of him.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: After weeks of traumatizing testimony and about ten hours of deliberation,
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Doug Garland is convicted of first degree murder and all
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: three deaths.
• 23:46
  Speaker 13: They've lost Kathy, they've lost Alvin, and it lost Nathan,
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: So this decision doesn't change that they still have to gree.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: Words cannot describe the pain that Jennifer and Rod O'Brien endure.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: Though they sat down with Crime Watch Daily, they declined
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: to speak about any details of the brutal murders.
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: Nathan spirit certainly lives on and lives on in this community.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: They are coping day to day, raising their two boys
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: and by creating the Nathan O'Brien Children's Foundation, funded in
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: part by a one million dollar donation from an anonymous donor.
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: Nathan loves sports, so we have an annual decathlon where
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: we have children come out and learn how to play hockey.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: You would have loved to be part of that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: Garland received three consecutive life terms for his heenous crimes.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: For Jennifer O'Brien, that sentence won't bring her son and
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: parents back, but says she gets relief from an army
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: of people standing beside her.
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: Every time somebody says something with a warm, kind word
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: or kind kind heart, you know, and sometimes they feel
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: uncomfortable because they don't want to say to us because
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: they're scared they're going to get us upset. And I
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: just say thank you, thank you for saying that to us,
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: and thank you for praying for us, and thank you
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: for showing us that you care, because it means the
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: absolute world.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: One of the things Nathan loved nighttime talks with his
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: dad at bedtime, and one conversation will forever linger. In
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: Rod's memory.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Nathan had started asking me at nighttime what heaven was like,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: which is kind of a strange question coming from a
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: five year old, and say, well, you can fly around
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: and having like a superhero, because Nathan loved superheroes. There's
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: no night times you can play all the time. He goes, well,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: I'm going to welcome you into heaven.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Dad.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: You guys, we're.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Back now with more crime Watch Daily, and right now
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: we've got a mystery on the side of the freeway.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Did several eyewitnesses see a young man running from his
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: old life or did they stumble upon a crime scene.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: For the details, let's head out west to our Jason material.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: First of all, he's beautiful, beautiful.
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: Uh hi, I kill a watt smile and the magnetic personality.
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: Everyone liked him, but now no one can find him.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: This case doesn't make much sense.
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: Logan Shindleman has vanished. Who benefits from Logan's disappearance? Was
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: he the victim of foul play or lost not wanting
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: to be found.
• 26:49
  Speaker 12: There was a lot of tension at home. He didn't
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: want to be there.
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: And we're asking the tough questions when I'm gonna ask.
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: This, But don't take it as my accusing you of anything.
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: Logan Shindelman's high school days in Tumwater, Washington were filled
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: with friends, fun and football.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: He's a good athlete too, He's really good. He had
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: started defensive back in high school for two years. Actually
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: took it to stage twice.
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: His athletic ability, all American good looks, and easy going
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: attitude brought lots of friends.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: I don't know have anyone that ever disliked him.
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: But according to his grandmother, who didn't initially return our
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: phone calls but did answer the door when we showed up,
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: if you didn't mind, love to have ask you some
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: questions about Logan, the good times Logan had in high
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: school didn't follow him after graduation.
• 27:46
  Speaker 15: He changed a lot.
• 27:47
  Speaker 16: He had a couple of things happened right after high
• 27:49
  Speaker 16: school that made him really aware of racism that he
• 27:55
  Speaker 16: hadn't really thought about as much, and he was really
• 27:59
  Speaker 16: had decided to his friends weren't really his friends anymore.
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: Ready for a fresh start, Logan Shindleman enrolled at Washington
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: State University, more than three hundred miles from home.
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: His first year at college I think turned out to
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: be very unpleasant for him, and I don't think he
• 28:19
  Speaker 12: had a whole lot of friends there.
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: And his close friends from high school he'd all but forgotten.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: And I had contacted him a bunch of times after
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: we graduated message on Facebook.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: Ned read him, but would never reply.
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: After his freshman year at college, and still ensure what
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: he wanted to do with his life. Logan returned to
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: Tumwater to live with his grandmother and have sister, but
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: friends say he wasn't the same happy, go lucky Logan.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: And he came into my work and brought an application
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: in and I was just like, hey, like good to
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: see you, like how are you doing, And he didn't
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: say much. He didn't He kind of got like nervous
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: when I saw him. It was very weird.
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: For the next year, Logan kept busy working odd jobs
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: around town. Then one Thursday morning in May, his grandma
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: was getting ready for work when Logan said something she
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: thought was a bit bizarre.
• 29:15
  Speaker 16: He was really nervous, and he said he'd had an
• 29:17
  Speaker 16: epiphany and he was driving around and I said, well,
• 29:23
  Speaker 16: talk to me tonight when I got back from home.
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: But that talk and Logan's epiphany didn't transpire.
• 29:31
  Speaker 15: And of course I wish I could have said, sit down, let's.
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: Talk about Jinny Geebo would never see him again.
• 29:41
  Speaker 16: The next day, I pinged his phone and it pinged
• 29:44
  Speaker 16: near his mom's house, so I thought, well, he went
• 29:46
  Speaker 16: over there was visiting with her, and so that was okay.
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: It wasn't okay. Logan wasn't with his mother in nearby Olympia.
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: In fact, detectives believe he went in the opposite direction.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: And we have activity on his phone going down towards
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: I five, heading south, and then the phone starts heading
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: back up north, and then it heads south again and it
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: stops where we recovered the vehicle on it.
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: When the nineteen year old henn't come home by Monday,
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: his grandma filed a missing person's report. Police ran the
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: plates on his car and discovered it had been impounded.
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: That it all starts here with three bizarre nine one
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: one calls a car is drifting across the lanes of
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: a busy highway in Olympia, Washington. However, the callers noticed
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: something strange. There's no one in the vehicle.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: We find out the vehicle has been recovered already, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: then we get the story of some witnesses saying that
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: they saw a subject running out from the vehicle and
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: for it to be abandoned on the interstate and hitting
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: a Jersey barrier, that's weird as well.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: What do you mean abandoned on the interstate.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: One of the witnesses said the vehicle had veered towards
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: the center lane and hit the barrier and stopped.
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: It was a truck driver heading north on I five
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: who claims he saw someone jump right out of the
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: moving vehicle.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: And he sees somebody jump out of the passenger side.
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: Of the vehicle, the passenger side of the vehicle. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: what was the description given of this individual?
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: They initially said a white male, but basically a male,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: and then ran towards the woods off the Interstate.
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: Police searched a two mile radius on those woods by
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: air and on the ground, but never found any sign
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: of what might have been Logan. One possible sighting of
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: a naked team later that night brings even more intrigue
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: to the case. What about this black guy who was
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: seeing without any clothes wandering around.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: We thought that might have been Logan as well, And
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: so they did initiate a search using dogs and didn't
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: locate anything.
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: You weren't able to identify who that was. Could have
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: been Logan, maybe.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Not could have been Logan, could have been anybody.
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: Inside the team's abandoned car. Cops found his wallet, ID
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: and cell phone, plus something that leads to even more
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: unanswered questions.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: One of the curious things was in the center council
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: of the vehicle were some bags of grocery bags, which
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: kind of led us to believe that if somebody was
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: on the driver's side going over to the passenger side,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: those bags would have been knocked down. So a theory
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: we have that there might have been two people and
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: the truck driver only saw one person, and.
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: They can't explain other strange occurrences either. What's so bizarre
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: is the check in at Facebook.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: It's very bizarre and unexplainable.
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: Digital clue in the case came one week after Logan vanished.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: He did a check in on his Facebook page at
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: the Olympia Regional Airport.
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: If he's checking in via his own Facebook page, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: you're saying, no one else had the password.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Right that you know of, that we know of, So.
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: Either someone is trying to throw law enforcement off or
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: in fact, this is indeed Logan right correct. And nearly
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: a year after he disappeared, there's been no sign of
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: Logan Shindleman.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: I have no reason believe he's been killed. I have
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: no reason believe he's alive.
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: But his family might just have a few reasons. Who
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: benefits from Logan's disappearance. Up next, police question a possible
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: person of interest.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: He was investigated and submitted to a polygraph.
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: And some wonder could there be a possible reason he
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: doesn't want to be found. We were told you were
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: trying to keep Logan away from the black side of
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: his family.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Go back to the disappearance of a teen in Washington State.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Let's head back to our Jason Letteria Chris.
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: Was he trying to disappear or did someone make him disappear?
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: Those are the questions that police and the family of
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: nineteen year old Logan Shindlemen are trying to answer. What
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: happened to Logan Shindleman. I don't know.
• 34:04
  Speaker 12: You don't have a day when you forget about him,
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: or you don't think about him.
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: The boy with the big smile vanished without a trace.
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: So Logan's vehicle is in the middle of the interstate, abandoned,
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: correct leaving detectives baffled and his family bitterly divided. We
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: were told that you were trying to keep.
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: Logan away from the black side of his family.
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: Logan Shindleman was raised by his grandmother, Jenny Geebo here
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: in Tumwater, Washington. Logan returned home to live with his
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: grandma after just one year in college.
• 34:47
  Speaker 15: He's kind of been a loss for what he was.
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: Gonna do with his slight, and according to her, he
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: started to smoke marijuana.
• 34:55
  Speaker 16: I know he did a lot of smoke upon him,
• 34:57
  Speaker 16: and I wondered sometimes if that it cost a little
• 35:00
  Speaker 16: bit of paranoia.
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: Jenny believes her grandson was paranoid the morning he told
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: her he had an epiphany. She told him that they
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: talked that afternoon, but Logan simply vanished The next day.
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: His car was abandoned in the middle of Interstate five.
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: Detectives are even more perplexed after finding Logan's wallet, ID
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: and cell phone inside his convertible. If Logan's gonna run
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: away on his own, is he gonna leave his cell
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: phone in his wallet?
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Normally you would say no. The people don't do that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: If Logan didn't run away on his own, who would
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: want to get rid of him.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: They have one part of the family saying there's somebody responsible,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: on the other side of the family that is saying,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: you know, nobody's responsible.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: Logan's uncle, Mike, worked in law enforcement for years, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: there was one person he thought detectives should investigate.
• 35:54
  Speaker 12: If it were in the hall, would be the tension
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: and the hostility that's going on with his sister and
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: her boyfriend.
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: Uncle Mike claims when Logan returned from college, life at
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: his grandmother's home had become very difficult.
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: He was very upset about the boyfriend living in the home.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: Logan's half sister had moved in her boyfriend, and according
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: to the uncle, he and Logan didn't get along.
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: We know that at some point there were fights, physical fights.
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: We asked Logan's grandma about Uncle Mike's allegations.
• 36:33
  Speaker 16: They didn't particularly like each other, but they just kind
• 36:35
  Speaker 16: of avoided each other.
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: Detective for ALEI questioned the living boyfriend, who agreed to
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: take a polygraph test.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I asked him if he was responsible for the disappearance
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: of Logan, and I asked him if he knew who
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: was responsible for the disparent of Logan, and he answered
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: notable questions. And my opinion was on it that he
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: was not showing any deception when I asked those questions.
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: Polygraphs are not perfect. There's a possibility that he could
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: pass a polygraph somehow without being truthful.
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: Cops have never charged the boyfriend in connection with Logan's disappearance. Now,
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: another theory detectives have considered is whether Logan's alleged drug
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: use may have gotten him into trouble.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: We don't know if he maybe old people money, or
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: if he might have gotten some bad drugs or maybe
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: done some other drugs. That's one of the theories.
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: The problem is there's no evidence that a crime has
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: even been committed.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: You know, he could very well just be out there
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: right now and want to be left alone.
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: But why would Logan want to be left alone? His
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: aunt Tina has a theory that only makes the mystery
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: deep and further.
• 37:39
  Speaker 17: Maybe he saw this the only way to get out
• 37:41
  Speaker 17: of this conflict, this dysfunctional family of his.
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: Before going away to college, Logan secretly met one side
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: of his family for the very first time, The Black Side.
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: Tina Crarey says it was an emotional visit.
• 37:55
  Speaker 17: I showed him a picture of his grandfather, my older brother,
• 37:59
  Speaker 17: and he stared at it. He said, he goes, it
• 38:02
  Speaker 17: feels good to see someone that looks like me.
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: She believes Logan was desperate to learn more about his background.
• 38:09
  Speaker 17: He wanted some answers and he wasn't getting them at home.
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: Tina Crarey claims Logan didn't want his grandmother to know
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: about their visit.
• 38:17
  Speaker 17: He said, if she finds out that I came here,
• 38:20
  Speaker 17: she's going to be really mad.
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: We were told that you were trying to keep Logan
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: away from the black side of his family.
• 38:30
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't think that's true.
• 38:31
  Speaker 16: They made no effort to get home and see him,
• 38:35
  Speaker 16: and I had pretty much not talked to his father
• 38:39
  Speaker 16: his grandfather in.
• 38:41
  Speaker 15: Years, years and years, so there was just no connection.
• 38:45
  Speaker 15: I wasn't actively trying to keep him away.
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: No one knows if Logan met up with a sinister
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: fate or if he is running from bitter family strife.
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: He's welcome to come back any time without an explanation,
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: and I think he knows that.
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: But until more clue surface, his family is left only
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: with speculation and desperate Please, if you don't.
• 39:12
  Speaker 15: Want to be here, that's fine, but give a hold
• 39:14
  Speaker 15: of us, let us know that you're okay.
• 39:16
  Speaker 17: And if you need to stay away in order to
• 39:18
  Speaker 17: feel secure, I wish you well and I send you off.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: Love,