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EPISODE 41 (Part 1): “The Soundtrack of Motherhood… ft. Miss Jolie " · It's Mom O'Clock

• 0:01
  Speaker A: Hello.
• 0:02
  Speaker B: You guys, stop. Is it mama clock yet? I'm going crazy. Heck yeah.
• 0:08
  Speaker A: It's mama clock somewhere.
• 0:30
  Speaker C: All right, are we ready to do this?
• 0:32
  Speaker B: We're here.
• 0:33
  Speaker C: We're here, we're alive, and we have the one and only miss Jolie. Mama Clark is so happy to have you.
• 0:43
  Speaker A: I'm so excited to be here.
• 0:44
  Speaker C: Yay. We're so pumped.
• 0:46
  Speaker B: All right, wait. Hold on. Ted E's coming out of retirement for this.
• 0:49
  Speaker A: Oh.
• 0:50
  Speaker B: Everyone, shh.
• 0:52
  Speaker C: Get him.
• 0:53
  Speaker B: Mama Clock hit the jackpot with this new guest. It's Ms. Jolie. Yes. She's better than the rest. She got talent, she got voice she got personalitee. Ms. Rachel who? It's Ms. Jolie. I wanna be tired of raising kids with no swag Turn on Ms. Jolie. Go ahead, give her a tag she got beats, she's got drive, she's got a pink guitar I see her in the studio really spitting bars she does parties, goes to school she's the library queen she's even in your living room on the big screen Lil bo peep rhymes yeah, they got nothing on her songs got the whole world stir she got rhythm, she got edge she can rap for show collab with TDE oh, you already know Now I gotta talk about that bubble show My kids won't stop asking where the bubbles go Bubble magic bubble smoke bubbles everywhere I swear my kid was floating in a bubble in midair. She's actually cool, like a lot of fun. Not a turd nugget like blippi and everyone. Ms. Jolie. Yeah, you absolutely rock. Now spill the tea. Welcome to Mama clock.
• 1:46
  Speaker C: That was so good.
• 1:48
  Speaker A: My heart's racing, my eyes are filled with tune no one's ever me a rap like that before and I just gotta frame it. And I was so excited, you know, when we first saw each other, I was like, I love your rap so much. I can't believe I got my own custom wrap.
• 2:03
  Speaker B: You got your own rap, baby.
• 2:04
  Speaker C: That was the first thing you said to him. When she walked in, you were like, I love your raps.
• 2:08
  Speaker B: I had to. I mean, this was my perfect opportunity. Titty is back.
• 2:11
  Speaker A: When did that come to you?
• 2:13
  Speaker C: How did you even start that?
• 2:14
  Speaker B: I don't even know, like, this rap or just rapping, I guess rapping.
• 2:19
  Speaker A: But this one in particular, I always like.
• 2:21
  Speaker B: I just. I really. It goes back to, like, the early days. I would, like, make. I would make rhymes for my friends. I would do, like, bat mitzvah candlelightings.
• 2:30
  Speaker C: Yeah, she's, like, very much known for that.
• 2:31
  Speaker B: I Just like rhyming and then it turned into like dirty rhyming titty E. I have a couple records I love to hear.
• 2:39
  Speaker A: I love it.
• 2:39
  Speaker C: You have your one and only rap from Emily d'. Annunzio.
• 2:44
  Speaker A: I am so impressed.
• 2:46
  Speaker C: Frame it black.
• 2:47
  Speaker A: I loved it.
• 2:48
  Speaker C: I love it.
• 2:50
  Speaker B: Well, miss Jolie, Miss Jolie is here. Welcome to Mama Clock in the flesh.
• 2:53
  Speaker C: Yes. Ms. Jolie is a New Jersey based children's entertainer, author, and a performer known for high energy interactive shows that actually gets kids moving and they're not glued to a screen.
• 3:05
  Speaker A: Yep. And on top of it, she's a mom.
• 3:07
  Speaker C: She's a mother.
• 3:09
  Speaker B: I love it. She gets it.
• 3:10
  Speaker C: She gets it. She understands the energy that we don't have. So. And we're gonna talk all things Miss Jolie today. We're so excited.
• 3:20
  Speaker B: Right. We're going to start right off. How did you start to like, be. Tell us your story background, like from start to finish.
• 3:29
  Speaker C: The one day you woke up and you were like, I'm just going to be a kids entertainer.
• 3:32
  Speaker A: There is more to it. And sometimes I am in shock that I this is my job in my life. It's comical, like how people pay me to say, how did this happen?
• 3:42
  Speaker C: Right.
• 3:44
  Speaker A: I guess I have to take it back to I went to fit.
• 3:47
  Speaker B: Okay. Fashion is that. And look at our pants.
• 3:51
  Speaker A: And I show the leg. Look at her pointed foot. She's definitely. She could.
• 3:56
  Speaker B: She's a dancer. She's a fashionista. She's a singer.
• 3:59
  Speaker A: What else? Liked fashion. So in high school, it seemed to be the career choice. Let's do fashion. So I went to FID and then the real world was like, oh, this isn't that much fun. Wait a minute.
• 4:10
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 4:12
  Speaker A: I ended up getting a job at a children's jewelry company called High Intensity. They make charm it. I'm so very close with my boss. From there it was, oh, I love that. Yeah. So I was there for four years and at some point I remember thinking, I'm like, what bothered me was just the hours and sitting at a desk and I traveled and. But I really thought I was like, how I. I was newly engaged and I was like, this isn't the lifestyle I want. Like later on, if I was have kids or a family and I didn't like working in a cubicle. I wanted to be able to go outside when I wanted and like make my own hours. So I think like anyone, we dream of having our own. Our own job, that we're our own thing and get to be your own schedule. Yeah.
• 4:57
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 4:58
  Speaker A: And at the time. So I was just kind of like grasping anything. What could I do? So at the time I. I loved. I always love fitness. I still do. It's like my mental health, I need to work out for my mental health. So I. I got my personal training certified.
• 5:13
  Speaker C: I did.
• 5:14
  Speaker A: Yeah. I started teaching, like fitness classes.
• 5:17
  Speaker C: You did?
• 5:18
  Speaker A: Yes, I taught like poly. I had like a whole bunch of things in the pot. And then in addition to that, I started making children's clothing and doing craft shows. My.
• 5:28
  Speaker B: You're very creative.
• 5:29
  Speaker C: You were jack of all trades.
• 5:30
  Speaker A: I don't think I was that. I wanted to be. I needed a creative outlet. I always actually felt like I never was like, good. Yeah. The jack of all trades, but master of none. That was like me. I did like so many things, but I never felt like. I never felt like I had the thing that was. I want to circle back to that though, because there's something I have to say about that. But so started making the children's clothing and then doing craft shows and selling them. And at the time it was called Ants in the pants, which is still the name of my business because I got the llc. So it's now it's like the m. I love that. Yes. You have a clothing line. I did. I was like hand sewing them. All the fabric had like, all the clothes had ants inside of them. Like fabric. Not really. It was like, I'm like looking at your makeup.
• 6:16
  Speaker B: Oh, but that was like the.
• 6:17
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 6:17
  Speaker A: So when kids looked in their pants, like there was ants in them.
• 6:20
  Speaker C: That is cute.
• 6:21
  Speaker A: I didn't have a cute.
• 6:22
  Speaker B: I don't know is that cute or my kids.
• 6:23
  Speaker A: I don't know. But like, looking back, it was. It wasn't like cute ants. They were like legit aunts. I was trying.
• 6:30
  Speaker B: I'm cracking up because my daughter literally is. So she, she saw an aunt on the slide yesterday and she goes, you
• 6:35
  Speaker A: gotta call the ant man.
• 6:36
  Speaker B: You gotta call him.
• 6:37
  Speaker A: There's an ant. Obviously that didn't work out because I don't make him anymore. But I tried, you know, I had that going. I was sewing and doing craft shows and doing the fitness training. All this while having a full time job too. Somehow along the line, I realized that I needed to actually. My boss had a sit down conversation. She saw that I had like a lot of things going on. She was like, I feel like you have an entrepreneur spir in you and if you stay here, you're going to be like held back. Do you really want to have like your own thing? Like You. This is the time of your life. Like, go do it. Like, be. And at the time, it was really hard, but my husband was always very supportive, and he's like, I think you should try to do your own thing, because this is the time we don't. Like, he definitely. If it wasn't for him, I probably still would have been at a job, because it felt safe and it felt. And he's like, I got you.
• 7:25
  Speaker B: You do.
• 7:26
  Speaker A: So he gave me the space to, like, not need to. Like, looking back, I'm like, thank goodness things are out with us. Because he was, like, paying everything. You know, like, I'm so great.
• 7:35
  Speaker C: Is that. That your husband gave you that outlet, and now that now you're so successful, you're like, thank you. Because look at me now.
• 7:40
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 7:41
  Speaker A: Yeah. It definitely feels nice to be able to. Yeah. And also contribute and treat him to things and be like, yeah, it buys good things. Yeah. Yeah, I love them.
• 7:52
  Speaker B: I'm waiting for them.
• 7:53
  Speaker A: Yeah. I love buying things. I. Where. Where was I?
• 7:59
  Speaker C: I know.
• 7:59
  Speaker A: It's so hard. You lose track. So you said, oh.
• 8:02
  Speaker C: So, okay, how did it lead into those jobs?
• 8:04
  Speaker A: How did it lead into the. Okay, so here we go. I wrote a. I wanted to have a children's book that went with the clothes to tie in the mission, which was for children to believe in themselves, which is also my own mission. Just believe in myself. I didn't know what I was believing in myself, and I just knew I needed to believe in myself and, like, do something with my life that felt purposeful.
• 8:26
  Speaker C: I'm sorry. I love it.
• 8:28
  Speaker A: It's so funny looking back, because I'm like, how did it. So I wrote a children's book. Oh, did I mention I, like, worked at a tea house? Which, by the way, I'm gonna plug them right now. It's different owners now, but it is still the cute, most amazing, beautiful, wonderful place to go eat with girlfriends or whoever. It's called high society. It's Nuin. And you get your tea and then the finger sandwiches and scones and I were. Yeah, it was high society.
• 8:55
  Speaker B: High society. We're coming for you.
• 8:57
  Speaker C: We're coming.
• 8:57
  Speaker A: I worked there for a while, stayed in touch, and sometimes worked, like, when they needed me. And I. They. When I. I get to the part where I publish my own children's book. Did I say that? So then I wrote the book. I illustrated. I came out with a book.
• 9:13
  Speaker C: How do you write a book?
• 9:13
  Speaker B: How do you know how to do all these things?
• 9:16
  Speaker C: Just, like, we're taking notes and Then, oh, I love.
• 9:18
  Speaker A: I always just like you. But not as talented as you. To be honest. I loved writing rhymes and poems.
• 9:24
  Speaker B: I mean, you're a good rhyme.
• 9:25
  Speaker A: Even now, like, I have, like, personal. Like, most of my journal is. Like, if anything ever happened to me and someone came, I'd be, like, so embarrassed because that's where I'm like, I just write these rhymes and things, but they're from. It just is, like, my outlet. Yeah, so some things. Yeah. That's why children's music is so great for me, because it could be really silly and weird and it, like, works. Yeah, yeah. And it comes so, like, naturally. And it's also.
• 9:48
  Speaker C: All right.
• 9:48
  Speaker A: Anyway, let me get back to where I'm going.
• 9:50
  Speaker C: I do the same thing.
• 9:51
  Speaker A: I'm really bad. You might have to bring me back.
• 9:55
  Speaker B: No, you're good.
• 9:55
  Speaker A: So you're my child. So the. The tea house, so proud of me. And they put them. They had other. They have things for sale there. So they wanted to put my book on display. Isn't that cute?
• 10:05
  Speaker C: That is so cute.
• 10:06
  Speaker B: So what was the book called?
• 10:08
  Speaker A: Georgie and the Ants in the Pants. No, it was not after my son. It was after my husband. So again, thank goodness things worked out.
• 10:15
  Speaker B: Because your son says Georgie, your husband's my son.
• 10:17
  Speaker A: Was not even a thought yet. It was.
• 10:20
  Speaker C: Georgie was just to give viewers context. You wrote this book before you became Miss Jolie? Published. It was in stores.
• 10:30
  Speaker A: All right. Yes, I wrote not in store. I published just in the Tea house. Follow. Yeah, it was just in the tea House. I would have it on display with the clothes I was selling at craft shows.
• 10:40
  Speaker C: Got it. That makes sense.
• 10:41
  Speaker A: Okay. And I wanted to find it like the outfits with the ants of the dance. George, the book was about.
• 10:47
  Speaker B: Wait, did you illustrate it too, or
• 10:48
  Speaker A: you had a. I had a friend illustrate it. Leanne Mooney, who I went to high school with. She was like the artist. And I reached out to her and she illustrated it, and I need a million. I self published it, so it was like, you know, it was a.
• 10:59
  Speaker C: It was.
• 11:00
  Speaker A: It was all done by me. People still buy the book. Yeah. So I do author visits, but I have another book that I push more than that one, because that was my first book, and the second one I just felt was so much better. So.
• 11:12
  Speaker B: Yeah, I needed.
• 11:12
  Speaker A: I have in something for you. Yes. And I have something to go online and buy them.
• 11:16
  Speaker C: I love it.
• 11:18
  Speaker B: So it better be signed a teacher.
• 11:20
  Speaker A: I did sign it. I have little gifts for you.
• 11:24
  Speaker C: Oh, so cute.
• 11:27
  Speaker A: I love compliments. Anything else before I continue.
• 11:31
  Speaker C: You're also funny, too. Did you know? You're funny too. Do you think you had a sense of humor?
• 11:36
  Speaker A: I think if I'm comfortable with you, you get it. And if I'm not, it's just people don't deserve. Because sometimes my humor is. It goes in weird directions. I have to be careful.
• 11:46
  Speaker B: I mean, same.
• 11:47
  Speaker A: I have a little bird on my shoulder that's just like, keep it clean, girl. I love it. So I actually. One of the employees moms was a preschool teacher and she saw the book. She's like, why don't you come to the school that I work at and read to the kids? They would love this. Like, read to the kids here. So I arranged. She kind of invited me to her school. We arranged that. And I was very nervous. I was like, oh, it's the reason. I also was like. And I had no experience with kids at this point.
• 12:17
  Speaker B: I mean, you were.
• 12:17
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 12:17
  Speaker B: This is in your 20s.
• 12:18
  Speaker A: I was in my 20s. I was working at this company and I had no experience with. Actually I might have left the company at this point. But I just like. I was like, your first things. Yeah. And I like, babysat here and there, but I was never, like, really involved with.
• 12:33
  Speaker C: You never thought about being a teacher
• 12:34
  Speaker B: or anything like that.
• 12:35
  Speaker A: Yeah. So. Oh, I'll get to that. Because that was another path. I went to the school and before that, I was like, I needed something. If I'm going to read this book to them, I need to have. So my brother's a musician. My dad was a musician. It's in my blood. And I'm like, so mad sometimes. Like, man, that was in me the whole time and it took so long. I saw him in my. And my brother's like, why don't you play the ukulele? Because I was writing little rhymes and poems. I actually almost hired a girl to come and be the singer for this, like, because I was like, so uncomfortable singing. I'm like, I don't have.
• 13:06
  Speaker C: You know how to sing or you
• 13:07
  Speaker A: learn how to sing. I. I just. I mean, I guess I wasn't horrible. Like, it was just enough to. When you're working with kids, they're not looking for you to be. They're looking for a genuine happy delivery. And I knew that. I knew. I didn't. It wasn't expected of me to be this amazing singer. Sometimes I think it works my benefit that I'm not this classically trained because I think the expectations I would have of myself throughout my life if I was a singer. Would have been like, I think that's one of the reasons this works so well for me, because I'm so honored to be in this space. For someone that's like, a real musician, sometimes they may feel like doing kids stuff is, like, a step below where they would want to be. Where to me, I'm like, oh, God. Someone wants me to say. I paid to say. Like, it's like. It's like the. I am just so honored to be here. Instead of feeling like, oh, it didn't work out in my singing career, I might as well do kids. It's opposite. It's like, oh, that's. I'm already. I've peaked. Like, if any. Everything's icing on the cake. I get paid to sing. I'm.
• 13:59
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 13:59
  Speaker A: I don't.
• 14:00
  Speaker C: You don't, like, show yourself as a singer, so people don't expect you to be, like, this amazing singer, which you are. But I'm saying you don't hold yourself to that threshold where you have that pressure.
• 14:10
  Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. I've actually learned to stop putting myself down over it because I've had enough. I mean, I've done that. I did that for a lot of years. Like, the imposter syndrome. The feeling almost like apologetic, like, I
• 14:21
  Speaker C: was gonna ask you about that.
• 14:22
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 14:23
  Speaker B: Is a big thing.
• 14:24
  Speaker A: Like, even I have. Like, I have a. Oh, I'm about to go another place. I'm gonna go back to this story, and then I'll go back, even though I'm sure those thoughts will be way gone. But anyway, so I. Before I went, I created, like, an order form so the. They knew I was coming to read a book, create a little order form that the parents would have an option to purchase the book for the child. I had no expectations at the time either. I created a little. I had little songs. I learned to play the ukulele, which is a very easy instrument. I taught myself watching YouTube videos and with help from my brother here and there, being like, hey, is this. He's been really helpful throughout. Even now to this day, because he's a dj, he does weddings. He does things on such a large scale. So whenever I need help with anything, or he's the. My go to. Like, I need a secret. I'm so thankful. Yeah. And we do shows together. Yeah. Libraries. Yeah. The Rockaway Library. We do a family jam.
• 15:18
  Speaker C: Like, kind of love that.
• 15:20
  Speaker A: Yeah. Because he's. He's so good. And it makes me look even better when you're. When you're a singer and you. You're Singing with someone that's like, next level. I'm like, oh, like, I sound so good with him because. Because he's so good, and he's the best. So I created a little, like, program around this book. And then when I went to go do it, I remember being so nervous. But the kids, they were so into it. It went so well. And it was like, I remember getting back into my car afterwards and be like, oh, my God, this is what I'm supposed to do. It was no.
• 15:54
  Speaker C: There was no turning point.
• 15:57
  Speaker A: It's like a light bulb.
• 15:58
  Speaker B: It's like.
• 15:58
  Speaker A: It was beyond. It was like a spirit. It's like an emotional, like, whoosh of like, oh, my gosh. I found, like, my. My calling. I want to also mention I sold a lot of. I made money that day, and it was enough to be like, I have to pick up the phone, and I need to call schools. And I. So I had a sales background, so I was. That actually was probably the best thing I could have done is have a job before in sales. Because I had no problem picking up the phone and calling and getting hung up on and getting. And knowing, like, I'm gonna keep calling, keep following up it. In the beginning, I didn't even identify as a children's entertainer. I identified as a sales girl just calling me.
• 16:35
  Speaker C: I was in sales, too.
• 16:36
  Speaker A: Yeah, I get it.
• 16:37
  Speaker C: Like, picking up the phone and being like, this is what I want.
• 16:39
  Speaker A: Because you're used to it and following up and having that literally your worst nightmare.
• 16:43
  Speaker C: But I don't mind being persistent, because that's how you get the job done.
• 16:46
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 16:46
  Speaker C: Yeah, you did. Got the job done.
• 16:48
  Speaker A: So it was that one school visit that was like, wait, I can make money doing this. It felt good. I feel so alive doing it. I want to do this every day for the rest of my life. And from there it is. It has evolved so much. But that was the beginning. And that. That was. That was the beginning.
• 17:03
  Speaker C: That's huge. I love that. I love when there's a story that someone tells and there's a turning point. There's always a turning point, but you have to recognize that, like, you sat
• 17:11
  Speaker A: in your car and you were like,
• 17:12
  Speaker C: holy shit, this is where I'm supposed to.
• 17:13
  Speaker A: And there were so many things. That's why for anyone listening is Just wants their thing. Or sometimes you have to. It's all part of the process is like, figure, like, having a lot. What's that expression you, like, throw a lot of yes.
• 17:25
  Speaker C: Towels in a ring or something.
• 17:26
  Speaker A: There's something I Don't know what it is. We're really bad at expression.
• 17:30
  Speaker C: I'll say.
• 17:30
  Speaker A: I'm like, that's definitely not. I wanna. I'm like throwing a lot of eggs in the basket or. It's like something. I have a lot of sticks. Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker C: I was doing something and seeing if it sticks. I know what you're saying, but there
• 17:43
  Speaker A: was a time I was still. So I. I didn't like, drop everything else and be. It was still a process. Right, Right.
• 17:48
  Speaker C: Everything.
• 17:48
  Speaker A: And. And then deciding like, oh, there was a long time I was doing both the fitness and the kids music and author visit. Because at first it was called author visit, and that's all I did. And then that's where you begin.
• 18:00
  Speaker C: I was gonna go into that a little bit. So now that you told us your backstory. So you began with just doing author
• 18:06
  Speaker B: visits, selling your books, but with little song rhyming things?
• 18:10
  Speaker A: Yeah. It was a whole pro.
• 18:11
  Speaker C: Was it like a business? You would say?
• 18:13
  Speaker A: Yeah, it was like your little business.
• 18:14
  Speaker C: Like, you were selling books and you were doing little.
• 18:16
  Speaker B: Were you called Ms. Jolie yet? Like, was that.
• 18:19
  Speaker A: Oh, I. Yeah, I think I. I refer to myself as Mr.
• 18:21
  Speaker B: Brand.
• 18:22
  Speaker A: Business was ants in the pants now. Yeah.
• 18:24
  Speaker C: Ants in the pants.
• 18:25
  Speaker A: That's what it still is called that. But I do still get my visit.
• 18:29
  Speaker C: You still do?
• 18:30
  Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, I do. I actually love doing my author. I have a different book now that I do. And it's. It's. I love authors because I. It's like, I get book sales on top of, like, I just had a recent author visit and they treated me like. I was like, you know, I'm so blah, blah. I got like, There was like a lunch. Oh, I got to have kids. Want me to have lunch with me? I, like, had. Yeah, that's a good idea.
• 18:55
  Speaker B: I was like the pride mom.
• 18:57
  Speaker A: Yeah. When you remember you're like a character.
• 18:59
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker C: In your own. Like, you don't realize it, but you're
• 19:02
  Speaker A: like Blippi on tv.
• 19:04
  Speaker C: Like, if a kid wants to meet Blippi, that's like the coolest thing on earth. My nieces and my nephews, they want to meet you because they think you're like famous character.
• 19:10
  Speaker A: That's. That's how I hope that now, the past year or two, I really focused on my YouTube, knowing that I was gonna ask. I love the fact that I'm a real, like, actually, that author visit old boy was like, she's a human.
• 19:22
  Speaker C: That was so cute.
• 19:24
  Speaker A: I was like, I am like, they're connecting because the School knew obviously I was. Obviously the school knew I was going to but they went hard with like using my brain breaks on video. So when I came the kids were so excited because they, they felt like they already knew me from.
• 19:39
  Speaker B: Because you are, you are YouTube famous. You.
• 19:41
  Speaker A: I was going to ask what did
• 19:42
  Speaker C: YouTube come into play for you?
• 19:44
  Speaker A: Well, I had been doing it but I would say the last two years it grew. It grew more with my Instagram growth and also just investing more time, energy, money into having better videos. Like making sure that I.
• 19:56
  Speaker C: Because this all matters.
• 19:57
  Speaker A: The production consistency of it. Yeah. So I went from like filming my own to hiring someone. I go to a studio and film and he edits it. Josh shout out to Josh Cashman. Oh he does your stuff. You all want to hear something even more amazing. I'm a huge universe believer. Put out there things come to the meet people in your life. So doing fitness video like in there's. I know there's videos are still up. I'm. Why am I mentioning this? I'm so embarrassed. I'm gonna. If you want to work out with me my 10 minutes a day. They're yeah. 20 year old Jolie like just fitness workouts at the time I had. I found. I reached out to my high school be like is there any high school kids? Because I want. I didn't want to pay for a lot that way like film and all. I obviously I would pay them but you know they're in high school.
• 20:48
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker A: And I got connected with Josh at the time and he was in high school and he filmed a bunch of my workout videos and he is.
• 20:57
  Speaker B: He stayed on board.
• 20:58
  Speaker A: He stayed on board. So now we're like, you know, our besties. Oh yeah. And he's. He does all my stuff and I, I love that. He started with me from my very beginning and I've got to watch him build his business too. So I'm so proud of him. But he's the best. And oh he. I always crack up. I'm like Josh, I'm so sorry because whenever I'm not comfortable filming it's still. I love in person things filming is
• 21:23
  Speaker B: still seems so comfortable when we're watching
• 21:25
  Speaker C: you on still weird.
• 21:26
  Speaker A: So when I see him I'm like I don't even know what comes out of my mouth. I like cha cha cha cha cha. Because I'm nervous is that's what happens to me.
• 21:32
  Speaker C: I know when I'm. I get it.
• 21:34
  Speaker A: So I start rambling. He's used to it now. He never makes me feel Silly. I'm like, josh, I don't know how
• 21:38
  Speaker C: he got here, but he edits it for you, so.
• 21:40
  Speaker B: Right.
• 21:40
  Speaker A: No, well, no, it's more of, like, our conversations before I'm filming or after. And the things I. And I hear, I'm like, why am I talking? I'm like, I just spill. He's like my therapist slash production guy. Just everything.
• 21:53
  Speaker C: So I wanted to ask you just to circle back. Am I even in frame? Probably not.
• 21:57
  Speaker A: I hope you are, because you're so cute. Oh, thank you.
• 22:00
  Speaker C: I wore a pink for you. I just feel like it was, like, your vibe.
• 22:02
  Speaker A: Yes, it is. I was like, she's gonna come in,
• 22:04
  Speaker C: like, the cutest outfit. So do I have to be in the cutest outfit?
• 22:06
  Speaker A: You are so.
• 22:07
  Speaker B: And I wore a growl fit for you.
• 22:10
  Speaker A: You made me a rap. You won.
• 22:12
  Speaker C: You literally won. But I wanted to ask you, so what grew? First, Instagram, and then it gravitated towards YouTube.
• 22:19
  Speaker A: Yes. So my Insta. I've been.
• 22:22
  Speaker C: You have 250,000.
• 22:24
  Speaker A: I want to say something just so anyone listening that has a business or for you both to know. If you took my Instagram away, I would still be rocking and rolling. My business was never built on my Instagram. I was fully booked, doing great. Like, I don't. Like, it could be an illusion in terms of. Sometimes you look at someone's Instagram and you're like, oh, my goodness, they must be doing so great. And maybe they are, but you can have a great Instagram and your business not be doing great, and vice versa. You can have an amazing business, and your Instagram isn't that great. I know a bunch of other children's performers that don't have killer Instagrams, but they're thriving. They're amazing. They're killing it. And I feel like there's this pressure sometimes. Like, if you're. It is. I. It is great for exposure, and it's validating, and it gives you the clout, and it gives you maybe opportunities you wouldn't have had, but as a you. It doesn't. It's not required to still be. Really?
• 23:18
  Speaker C: No.
• 23:18
  Speaker B: But I just think in this day and age, like, especially, like, with Ms. Rachel Blippi, all of the people that I. I mean, I would consider you up there, too. It's just like, you're. You probably try not to compare, but, like, it's hard when you're in the same industry.
• 23:32
  Speaker A: I don't compare myself to them because. Thank you for saying, but I don't. I do feel like they're in a different league. They are like they're 100% in a different league because their business is YouTube. Yeah, my, I'm a different business. So I just recently if from the very beginning I focus on you. Who knows where I would have been if that was always. But that wasn't my path. And I'm so fulfilled having kids in front of me. I don't think I wouldn't be as happy or fulfilled only doing stuff on screen. I need those kids in front of me. Like that is my therapy in life. Performing the walking out of a show, being so nervous and then doing it and it going great and walking out those feelings. I would never get that just filming your show all day. I need that in person. So I, Even if my YouTube took me to a point where I didn't have to, I would, I would never stop doing. I require this for my mental health at this point. I love that. I love seeing the kids and I love being so nervous and anxious and then like doing a show and coming off and feeling like high off. Isn't it the best? I'm so proud of myself.
• 24:39
  Speaker B: But also sometimes you're just like, like okay, it's just a bunch of 3 year olds. Like I could do this.
• 24:43
  Speaker C: But also you have parents, every single parent standing up watching her as well.
• 24:47
  Speaker B: Yeah, I get, you know at my
• 24:49
  Speaker C: party they were all standing, watching like
• 24:51
  Speaker B: oh I, I was right there. I was videoing. I'll show you the videos I took of you after.
• 24:55
  Speaker A: It's not the kids if I'm doing it is it is the grown ups that sometimes make me nervous or feeling.
• 25:01
  Speaker C: Yeah, I agree.
• 25:01
  Speaker A: If I'm doing a show at a high or like a festival or if I get booked for something I'm on a stage and there's oh like a big thing.
• 25:06
  Speaker C: I'm just talking.
• 25:07
  Speaker B: I was thinking about a birthday party. You do big, big things but birth.
• 25:10
  Speaker A: No, but I am going back to birthday parties too because it's I. And you're right, sometimes I get myself some nerves and then as I'm perform like I was nervous for a little like yeah, you psych yourself so silly. It's. I think you do want to impress. I don't know if the word's impressed but you know there are still grown ups with the kids that are watching you want.
• 25:29
  Speaker C: They're the one paying for it, you know.
• 25:31
  Speaker A: So there's a, there's a few different things at play there and then just being professional and if you're getting paid to do something, having everything Go right. Like, we're even setting up here. Oh, is the. Is the technology working? Is all, you know?
• 25:43
  Speaker C: I mean, I give it to you. When you came into my son's dirty, you needed no assistance. That's one. You had a million things in your hands. A huge speaker, including a big pink guitar.
• 25:52
  Speaker A: But you weren't even.
• 25:54
  Speaker C: You didn't show any nerves, which I respect so much. Like, you weren't like. Because people's nerves come out in different ways when you approach somebody. But you set up. You didn't ask questions. You just said, can I. Where should I set up? Can I sit up right here? I think this would be a perfect spot. You plugged in. I turned around, you were ready to go. I was like, oh, my God, this girl is.
• 26:10
  Speaker A: I'm so glad, though, that we connected more after, because if I became a fan of yours and then had, I would have been dying inside, because I want everyone listening to know. So I did Dominique's son's birthday, and then we text. We kind of have like, an instant, like, I didn't see you. And I was like, I didn't get to hug her goodbye.
• 26:29
  Speaker C: I was texting you. I'm so sorry.
• 26:30
  Speaker A: I was fine. And I was like, oh, my goodness, I was gonna mess.
• 26:33
  Speaker C: People.
• 26:34
  Speaker A: Like.
• 26:34
  Speaker C: People say, like, sorry, I didn't get to say goodbye.
• 26:36
  Speaker A: No, not all. I mean, here and there. I always try to say goodbye and say thank you, but I also don't want to bother and I don't want to seem. But I.
• 26:45
  Speaker B: I would Irish exit.
• 26:47
  Speaker A: No. Yeah. But then you would mention that you had a podcast and you would like to have me on. Then I was like, all right, let me check this out. And then my life changed. I love it because I drive a lot. Like, every. There's times I'm Most. Most of my gigs can be far away. Like an hour. And then come. And as much as I love music and so I need to sometimes just check out for a minute or just listen to a fun conversation. So you. You both have been the soundtrack. But since I met you. You didn't know about Mama Clark before. I didn't know. I didn't know about Mama Clock before. So anyone listening? If you want to just enjoy your car rides and mom o' clock.
• 27:23
  Speaker C: You've been hyping.
• 27:25
  Speaker A: Oh, I tell everyone. And I can't wait. Now as a guest, I'm just gonna blast y' all like crazy and listen to my episode.
• 27:31
  Speaker B: And then I love it on repeat.
• 27:33
  Speaker C: Seriously?
• 27:34
  Speaker B: No.
• 27:35
  Speaker A: But I feel like this is the best I'm. I love you, girl, so much, and
• 27:37
  Speaker B: I'm so glad we could connect with you in that way, because sometimes it is when you're in a car for so long, people do listen to music, but sometimes you just don't really want to think about anything and just be, like, totally in someone else's head. Yeah. Listen to a conversation.
• 27:51
  Speaker A: I want to listen to a conversation. And you make me laugh and the things that you touch upon. And there are some episodes you had me crying and one laughing and then you. The last episode, you're talking about, like, throwbacks of different shows you was watching. There's nostalgia, like, so relatable. Like, oh, I remember those shows watching on tv. We talked about. We talked about. Because I was in there. I was like, that's my goal, though, right? We talked about.
• 28:15
  Speaker C: Because you're in our podcast.
• 28:17
  Speaker A: Like, you know, I'm a Jersey girl, too. The Italian factor there. Like, there's a lot of Italian. Half. My dad was 100. My mom was like, all different things, you know?
• 28:26
  Speaker B: You know, Taylor Winan is one of my stuff.
• 28:29
  Speaker A: Wait, why?
• 28:30
  Speaker C: I'm missing this. You are.
• 28:31
  Speaker A: You held that from me. That's my cousin.
• 28:34
  Speaker B: My cousin.
• 28:35
  Speaker A: That's just what you wanted to bring up on the.
• 28:36
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 28:37
  Speaker B: Like, I had so much fun with her in college.
• 28:39
  Speaker A: Oh, she's the best.
• 28:41
  Speaker B: Yeah. But she actually. Well, it's just a mutual friend.
• 28:45
  Speaker A: I feel like I'm gonna faint. I'm overwhelmed with, like.
• 28:48
  Speaker B: My best friend is Jordan Drozjak. She grew up with Taylor, and she was like, oh, my God. Jolie and Jocelyn, they were like, the cool girls. I always thought they were so cool. And I was like, wait, so Jocelyn's her sister? And she's like, yeah. Say yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker A: That is so cool.
• 29:03
  Speaker B: Your family's great.
• 29:03
  Speaker A: It's such a small world. That's my mom's side. The non Italian side. I love it. But yes. Oh, Taylor, I love what we have. Like, yes.
• 29:12
  Speaker B: She. She.
• 29:13
  Speaker C: Now I need to meet her.
• 29:14
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker C: Is she from around here?
• 29:16
  Speaker B: She's from. Well, she's from Wayne.
• 29:17
  Speaker A: Yeah. But now she lives a little further. Hi, Taylor. I hope you listen. I love you.
• 29:22
  Speaker C: I grew up in East Hanover, so I know.
• 29:24
  Speaker A: Wayne, I was gonna ask because your party was in East Hanover.
• 29:27
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker A: And then I'm like, oh, I worked there.
• 29:29
  Speaker C: Yeah. My whole family still lives there.
• 29:31
  Speaker A: I want to hear something so crazy. Shout out to East Hanover, because the la. I feel like I'm always gigging there.
• 29:36
  Speaker C: Like, always gigging there.
• 29:37
  Speaker A: Always. Like, the past few. I'm like, oh, I'm an East Hanover against the. There's a, a catering hall there that's really pretty.
• 29:42
  Speaker C: Because when one person from East Hanover gets a peek of you. Everybody and their mother gets a peek of you. It's.
• 29:50
  Speaker A: And it's so confusing cuz I'm like East Hanover. Sometimes it pops me out like close to where I live and then it's on the other side like West Orange.
• 29:57
  Speaker B: It's like a New Jersey triangle. Like I don't understand what's that town? Yeah, I don't.
• 30:01
  Speaker A: I'm like, is it going to take me 20 minutes to get there today or like 40?
• 30:04
  Speaker C: I know, it's so ridiculous. But just to wrap up this segment, I did want to ask you one question because I'm curious because of this business that we're growing. When you first started out, did people take you seriously? Like, did you have to prove to people like, this is what I'm doing for my J O bae.
• 30:19
  Speaker A: Yeah. So I love that question. And looking back, you brought up if I want to be a teacher. And I think at the time that was something where I realized I wanted. So I had been doing this and then I had my son and then I thought I wanted to be a stay at home mom. And that only lasted one second. It lasted a couple months and then it was like a quick like, oh, I got it. I'm going a little crazy. I need to, I need to hear something. I need to have something. I, I always felt like if I left my son there was so much guilt for my own time. But if I was working or doing something, it wouldn't feel that way. So I think I had a few. I had started this author visit so I would have a few jobs that would trickle in or somewhere feel you
• 31:02
  Speaker C: would get a babysitter.
• 31:03
  Speaker A: I did have to bring him with me a few times because I was, I nursed for a couple months and he wouldn't take a bottle. So there was a few times I had to bring him with me and my mom would come or I had a friend come and I would like nurse him after, like right after that didn't last that long. But right before that I knew I wanted to do something. So being a teacher I realized I had to go back to school. Even a children's librarian. Yeah, I wanted something.
• 31:25
  Speaker B: Oh my God, you'd be a cute little librarian.
• 31:27
  Speaker A: I would have been a great library. That's a whole nother. I would have had to go back to school. It would have been a whole. So I think When I realized I had to lock into, like, sales. Like, get on the phone and really. But because, you know, things slowed down after. Had my son and I wasn't proactively doing it or. And it's like a snowball effect of when you're gigging and you're out there. Every job leads to another one. And so. And then I like, re. Round that snowball if that does not make sense every round. And then I might. And I really wasn't. But I was like, oh, and the thought of having to hustle and build my business again. Or like. But I was like, either way, I'm gonna have to, like, go back to school to be a teacher or do that. And the teacher route felt secure. And it felt very. And I definitely had family members. Not my husband. He was always go. He was always. But other family members that were like, oh, be. And it. It sometimes hurt my feelings because I was like, man, you don't, like, believe in me that I could do, like, you know, you should be a teacher. Be. I'd multiple even once I did a school and the director, like, brought me into her office and sat me down. She's like, just so you know, here's like. She, like, gave me the paperwork. You could be like. I remember feeling like, like, are you like. I actually. You know. But now obviously I'm. I like, prove that I made a legit business out of this. And. But so you're.
• 32:41
  Speaker C: In the beginning, you're. You felt like people were not looking at you. Seriously, get a nine to five. Go get security.
• 32:49
  Speaker A: Be a teacher. Be this. Which isn't. Nothing wrong with that. It would have been amazing. Being a teacher is an amazing. But you were like, I believe in myself.
• 32:54
  Speaker C: I'm gonna keep doing this.
• 32:55
  Speaker A: No, I think I was like half and half. And I. But I think I knew that I needed to pursue my own thing because I think it. I just. My genuine feelings. It would hurt my feelings. That's just how I felt.
• 33:05
  Speaker B: Like, you're in the school, you're told
• 33:06
  Speaker A: to be the teacher. You have to prove someone. It's like, yeah, like, do the same thing. That's another. To me, I internalize that as, like, I don't know if you're. You have. You're gonna make it there. So do the safe route. So when you tell someone that. I think I knew I had to pursue it because that did hurt my. It was a sign to me that, like, wait, if. If I wasn't triggered by that, then it would be because I didn't you're
• 33:28
  Speaker C: right, I should be.
• 33:29
  Speaker A: But if you have an something in you that is and you're not following it, you're going to be triggered until you follow it. Until you.
• 33:35
  Speaker C: I feel the same way. Yeah, totally.
• 33:37
  Speaker B: And thank God you followed it.
• 33:38
  Speaker A: Same with you. I'm sure in this, like you're feeling like someone was like, you know what, girls, why don't you do this? And so you're going to be like, no, why? Like, and we started talk about this and we kept saying, let's save it for the podcast. So here we are, we're in it. So I can say it takes time. Things don't happen overnight. And I really believe that you have to pay your dues. And, and it's even with. I'm gonna use another example of doing bubble tricks. Like sometimes I'm doing the trick and I'm just not getting. I'm like, I'm doing the same thing and all of a sudden I get it and I'm like, but I wasn't doing anything different. But to me I'm like the universe reward. They're like, girl, you had to keep on doing it. And now I'm gonna bless you with. Now you can actually do the trick. Even though it felt like you were doing the same thing over and over, you weren't getting it. Same with playing the guitar. Like your fingers, why can't I get this chord? My fingers aren't going. You keep practicing and then one day your fingers just do it. It's. You're doing push ups and your wise sword and one day you're able to whip them out. Like, how did that happen? Like you're, you have to keep going and all of a sudden you're like, wait, now it's, it's happening.
• 34:38
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker A: And you don't know when or where the change happened. But I believe that's the universe being like, here you go, I'll make it easy for you because you stayed with it even when you want to quit or it got hard. So you have to just keep going. And it's not overnight and it's going to take time. And do not. Well, I'm telling you, do not quit. Because you just gotta hear that.
• 34:57
  Speaker C: I mean, we're a year in and you're what, 12?
• 35:00
  Speaker A: Yeah, I'm going on my 12th year.
• 35:01
  Speaker C: What was the turning point? Just to literally wrap this up, actually. What was the turning point? What year? How many years in were you? Like, this is my job, I can make a living off of this.
• 35:12
  Speaker A: Well, I'm counting The year of. The years of making the children's clothes and doing fitness, because that was a big part of my story. I had to go through that and realize that, like, that I had to evolve from there. So that was me on the journey of being an entrepreneur. So it's very important to include that part. So I would say about three years in is when I started doing the author visits. And so I'm gonna count that. And maybe it took, like, another year to be making legit money. Where it was legit was like, oh, like this. I'm actually. Yeah, like, getting paid. I'm making money. I'm not. Like, I'm not spending more money than I'm making. And then within a few years, like, once I'm. I think once I matched my paycheck, I felt like, oh, like, I. It felt like I'm officially, like, to me, you're on, boss. I would have been. I don't want to say I would have been happy there, because I'm way happier now. Like, I don't want. I am. But to me, all I needed to do was match what I was making at my corporate job to feel successful and everything else. And I. And I want to mention something else. Your. Your last guest actually said something Lexi. She said. She doesn't. She was talking about guys and make sure you're not with a more, more, more guy. And I related to that about our own selves. Like, as soon as you reach those goals, you're like, I'll be happy. Once I'm here, I'll be happy. And then what happens? No, now you're not happy until you get that next or the next. So I made a point. I always say, like, it's enough. Like, it's been enough. Everything is ice. I like to say it's icing on the cake. Like, I'm so happy because I know that if I reach this goal, I'm still gonna wanna reach the next one and the next one. And there's nothing wrong with keep on improving and. And reaching and having goals. But I don't wanna ever get caught in this trap of, like, I'm not enough or happy until I do.
• 37:01
  Speaker C: You feel like you are.
• 37:02
  Speaker A: So I. Yes. Because I told myself all those years ago I just wanted to match my paycheck. So everything since then. And then I've way surpassed that. I've way surpassed. So I'm like, why? And I think I got. Actually, I'm gonna say a few years ago, I came to that conclusion that it's not ever Going to be enough until I decide it's enough. And I'm so done with this pressure. Cause I do think that pressure served me well for many years. But now I'm gonna be 40 this year and it's like the past few years have been like I'm so done with putting so much pressure on myself and feeling like I'm not enough until this or that. Like I've already crushed these goals that I had and my 20 year old self would be so proud of me. So I'm gonna stop. So now I'm just like I am happy. It's all enough. I'm not saying I wouldn't love more and I'm not ready for more. So I am and I have bring it on.
• 37:50
  Speaker C: Yeah, but you're content with where you are.
• 37:52
  Speaker A: I don't need that to feel. I don't need to be that next status or to feel like I've done it. I'm. I'm. Yeah, it's enough. I'm so thankful and I just, I just want to like coast through my life now. Exactly.
• 38:05
  Speaker C: I feel like you should looking at the outside in like you look like you're at a place where you are living in a world where you're content and you're just doing what you need to be doing because it's your, it's your job now and you're happy in the place you're at and you don't need. Need more, but you can handle more and you will do more but you're not striving and looking forward. You're kind of looking.
• 38:26
  Speaker A: And don't get me wrong, I want more. We're gonna want more. I don't want it to seem like, oh my. Like I'm. No, I'm not that evolved yet.
• 38:34
  Speaker C: I want to be settled. I want to be like this is my everyday.
• 38:36
  Speaker A: I don't want to have to strive
• 38:38
  Speaker C: and rip my fingers through.
• 38:40
  Speaker A: But I think that's, I think you need that initially. You need that for a few years but then you need to get to a point where like whatever, make goals for yourself and be like, okay, I, we want to achieve that but once you get there, you make it abort the process. Like, I'm having so much fun. This feels. These are goals, but they're not. It's an. I know my happiness is not at that goal. The happiness is in what you're doing. Everything I'm doing right now, being present and the things that really matter, which is like being a mom and having time with my husband. And feeling peace in my heart and feeling that that's. You get to. You realize, like, oh, that's what is most important. And some. And I. I knew I needed. There was definitely a point in time where I was putting so much pressure on myself and wait for. So I. I don't do that anymore. But sometimes it goes into.
• 39:31
  Speaker B: That's good advice, though.
• 39:32
  Speaker C: But it's a good thing to have someone who has a mind like that because that's why you're so successful. And you are where you're at because you pushed and pushed and strived and strived. And now you're at a place where you can chill a little bit and just do what makes you happy, you know?
• 39:46
  Speaker A: Yeah. And not. And not feel like, oh, now. And I think there's pressure too. We go back to like, oh, comparing to the people that are doing better. Like, it'll. They're. If I keep comparing or feel like, oh, not until that it's right. Yeah. I don't want to compare. I want to just be so happy. I can't even think of anyone to
• 40:06
  Speaker C: compare you to, though. Like, I'm just like you in a good way. Like, I feel like.
• 40:09
  Speaker B: Yeah. But I feel like in general, people probably do. They would Compare her to Ms. Rachel.
• 40:13
  Speaker C: I know, but I just feel like, to me, I just feel like. Like she's so much better in my eyes.
• 40:19
  Speaker A: No, she's a. She's amazing. I mean, she's teaching, obviously. Well, I'm gonna circle back to. Because I. I share this. So my. My brother, who's also a musician and does weddings and has a band, Owls and Lions. Can I plug my brother's band right now?
• 40:33
  Speaker C: They're so good.
• 40:34
  Speaker A: You would love. But he's. He's been a musician his whole life and we relate on this that sometimes really well meaning people. And it's a lot of times your own family. Like, and I've got like once at a family party, my cousin's like, I can't believe. Like, you should be as famous as Ms. Rachel. Like, and I want to be like, why is it not until you're as famous as even my brother. Oh, you should be on the radio. Like, no, you don't shake. You don't have to go successful. He does. He does weddings every weekend. He has an incredible band. Like, why is it not until. If someone's in the music industry, it's like no matter who they are, I feel it's not until you're on the radio or famous or everyone that you're Most looked at as being a success, but there's so many musicians that have thrived or making a killing or doing in. In a niche. That is, whether it's weddings or whether it's, like, bar scene or children's music, you can have your niche and kill it there. But you're gonna get those comments like, oh, you should be this. Or that's all meaning. It's not. They're not meaning it to be. But in my head, I'm like, man, you're thinking that. Like, I. It's me.
• 41:38
  Speaker B: They're thinking that you want to be that, but maybe you just don't.
• 41:40
  Speaker A: But that's my exact point. Like, there's no one to compare you
• 41:42
  Speaker C: to because you are. Are famous in your own path. Like, why am I gonna say, like, she's not as famous as Ms. Rachel.
• 41:49
  Speaker B: She's, like, successful. Like, you're happy.
• 41:50
  Speaker C: You're successful in your own path. Like, I think you're as famous in your world as you want to be.
• 41:55
  Speaker A: Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I don't. I'm. I don't even know, like, famous. Like, if you have, like, yeah, well, fame. I just feel like that's so silly because I'm like, I'm gonna walk. No one knows who I am. Like, what? Walk out of your. But they said I was famous. You're a block. I had to. My children.
• 42:10
  Speaker C: No, they were absolutely famous to my circle of people and family and friends. But I do need you just, like, to. To jump away from the famous thing. Where do you make your most money?
• 42:21
  Speaker A: I think there's definitely an illusion of thinking that people make so much money off of YouTube and Instagram.
• 42:28
  Speaker C: I mean, it's definitely an illusion in my head.
• 42:30
  Speaker A: No, and I thought so, too. I'm like, oh, my God. And even now, like, after having so many Instagram subscribers, followers, whatever. I was like. I thought. I was like, oh, my goodness, this is going to be. I'm like, oh, someone had a real. It was so funny. It was like, people like, Instagram followers. Does not equal dollars. Yeah, it does. It does not equal dollars. You're right.
• 42:48
  Speaker C: Even on TikTok, it's not.
• 42:50
  Speaker A: Does not equal dollars. And then you have to hustle. Like, you could have a great following, but are you hustling? Are you brand deals? Are you reaching? And then they. If you have a large following somewhere and you try to. Unless they come to you. Like, if someone comes to me, I'll entertain it. I'll be like, oh, okay. Because it's easy they came to me, though. But if I had to, like, make a business out of it and reach out and. Do they want to see all the numbers? What's your TikTok? What's your this, what's your that? What's it. Yeah, what's in your stories? How they're. They're taking into account a lot of other data and numbers. Actually, that was a very. I don't know what the word is, but I let down in the beginning when my Instagram blew up, I was like, oh. And then I was like, oh, my TikTok numbers. Everything else is low. It made me feel like, oh, I. I climbed this mountain only to be knocked down and realized. So I had. I. That was very humbling.
• 43:44
  Speaker C: You don't even pay attention to your numbers.
• 43:46
  Speaker A: You're really like, I don't pay attention to.
• 43:48
  Speaker C: You shouldn't. Because you get. But you do get your. Not that you get your gigs from your following, but people love you and the numbers show, which would make another parent or, you know, party or gig reach out to you.
• 44:00
  Speaker A: Be like, oh, my God.
• 44:01
  Speaker C: It seems like everybody's, like, interested in what you're doing. I want to be interested too. So it does help in that capacity.
• 44:06
  Speaker B: It definitely does. But like you said, like, if you took away all the. It wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter. You're still.
• 44:11
  Speaker A: And I love to hear that because social media is like that such a
• 44:14
  Speaker C: big thing right now.
• 44:15
  Speaker A: And it's like, well, I would say
• 44:16
  Speaker B: we're trying to get a podcast.
• 44:18
  Speaker A: Well, I think your. Your business is very social media driven, whereas mine and for any other children's entertainer out there that's listening, because I feel like once we share this, I'm going, I. That's a lot of my following. It's not even like moms, it's like other entertainers that we bounce ideas and we all. It's. You can still do great and have an amazing business having a smaller. And if anything, sometimes you feel like the expectation when you have a higher following, like, it could make you feel like, oh, you're. I hope that when someone books me that they're imper. They're not like, disappointed. Like, man, I thought by Instagram it was going to be. That's always like my worst fear. Like, I never want to make it seem like I'm better than I am. And then they hire me and they're
• 45:03
  Speaker B: like, all right, we're going to play a game.
• 45:04
  Speaker C: Okay, let's play a game.
• 45:06
  Speaker A: Let's do it.
• 45:06
  Speaker B: It's called gentle parenting. The Musical. Sam.